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Quotas. That's quotas. Enter it
now, Bill Cunningham, the Great America,

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welcome this war. It's Tuesday afternoon
in the Tri State of weather prices

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may come to the Tri State later
today or tomorrow, plus about a week

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from now, it's going to be
a low of zero. So winns arriving

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big time. But as you may
know, yes, I recall yesterday I

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had on Governor Mike Dwan for an
extended period of time talking about the transgender

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bill and also marijuana. And we
have now the second most powerful man in

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the state of Ohio politically, that
is Speaker of the House Jason Stevens.

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He controls the lower Chamber with an
iron grip. There's ninety nine state representatives

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and the Republicans have a super majority. And according to my sources deep in

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the Capitol, there's going to be
an effort tomorrow to override the veto,

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and then the Senate might be a
week or ten days await. But let's

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get all the facts. Speaker Jason
Stevens, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham

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Show. And first of all,
before we deal with marijuana, the Governor

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said yesterday that the main reason he
vetoed the so called transgender bill. House

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Bill sixty eight dealt with the fact
that he met with some family members whose

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daughter slash son was going through the
process, and he looked them in the

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eye and he was told that if
he didn't veto this bill, that somehow

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their teenage boy or girl would commit
suicide. And so the governor said that

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the deaths are on the line.
And I said to the Governor, mister

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Speaker that you have Lieutenant Governor said
you're wrong. Secretary of State said you're

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wrong, Attorney General said you're wrong. Treasurer said you're wrong. The Speaker

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of the House of Representatives, you
said you're wrong. Most of the Republicans

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in the House say you're wrong.
In fact, everywhere I look, people

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say you're wrong. And he said
he's going to do what he perceives to

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be right. So, first of
all, can you tell the American people

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as we sit here this Tuesday afternoon, what is the status of the possibility

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of overriding the veto of Governor Mike
dwain Well. Bill, I appreciate the

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opportunity to be on the on the
show today, and you know we have

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sessions scheduled for tomorrow to two pm
here in Columbus, and we will be

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addressing the override of the veto there
at the session. So outstanding, you

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know, Snowmageddon coming in or anything
like that, we look for that to

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happen tomorrow. I would anticipate that
you have whips that are walking around your

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caucus and saying, who's in,
who's out? Are you on what degree

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between one to ten? Are you
confident you'll have the votes to override the

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veto and the House of Representatives?
Is it a one, which is you

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know, not very likely, or
a ten very likely? Where are you

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on the Richter scale? Oh?
I think it's it's very likely. And

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you know this this issue was not
terribly difficult to whip people, you know.

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And here's the thing is, the
House is voted on this bill.

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We voted on back in June,
passed it over to the Senate. The

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Senate modified it a little bit,
and the same day that the Senate passed

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it back in December, you know, we voted it to the Governor's desk.

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So the House was voted on this
issue twice before, and so you

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know, both times well over sixty
votes. And you know that's the threshold

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fifty nine or sixty, depending on
who he asked. But I don't think

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it's it'll be over sixty. You
know, when the V two override comes,

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can you tell the American people?
Can you respond to the governor who

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said that I looked in the eyes
of parents and teenage boys slash girls,

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and they told me that they would
die commit suicide if I didn't do this.

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Now, you know, Mike de
Wine's a family guy. I like

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Mike. I've liked Mike for thirty
years. I've caught some flak for that

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over the years for many hard rock
ribbed conservatives, But nonetheless I like Mike

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de Wine. He's been to his
I've been to his house, he's been

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to mind. We've broken break we
talk. You know, he's a good

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guy. Well, how do you
respond to his argument that he met with

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people who said if I didn't do
this, somebody's going to die. I

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think there are you know, and
I think this happens with a lot of

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issues. There are good people on
both sides of an issue. They just

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have a different way of solving an
issue or dealing with the issue. And

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this is one that in the House
we've dealt with for the past three years

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as far as having many, many
witnesses on both sides of the issue.

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And you know, this House or
this bill was vetted through committee. You

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know, we voted it in the
House. It went through the whole entire

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process. And I will remind folks
this is the reason we have the committees,

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why we have testimony and the opportunity
for people to hear, you know,

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what may be wrong or what may
be right with any bill, but

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especially this bill. And I think
it's important that this is a bill that

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helps to you know, empower parents
and it protects children, and that is

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where we're at. And I think
the you know, the members of the

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House have spoken loudly a couple of
times on this bill, and we will

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have the opportunity to do that again
tomorrow. And you know, it's part

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of the political process and we will
take that. And I think there's been

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a lot of consideration, but you
know, it's it's something that I know

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our members still very strongly about that
this bill needs to be in law.

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Well, the argument of Mike DeWine
is one of conservatism by implication. He

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seems to be saying that mister Speaker, persons like you are somewhat insensitive when

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it comes to parental rights and the
government involved. He said, look,

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if the sixteen year old boy girl
wants to begin hormonal therapy to become transgender,

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if the doctor says yes, it
has to be done. If Children's

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Hospital in Cincinnati Piches the top in
America and nationwide, and Cleveland Clintic,

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he's got all the big hospitals lined
up with him. So he's got the

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hospitals, dwind does the doctors,
he's got the parents, and he's got

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the patient. And he makes the
argument, who are you to step in

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between a parent and a teenager when
it comes to medical care that the hospital

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and the doctors all say are reasonable
and necessary. So can you respond to

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the argument that you're like a liberal
all of a sudden in which you want

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government to make decisions for individuals and
not parents and teenagers. Is that value?

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I don't agree with that argument at
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of cases as you look around in
society, and we're talking about children here.

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We're not talking about adults. This
is about children, and there are

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many cases, you know, whether
it's you know other places in the law

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where kids have to go to school
or you know, there's certain requirements that

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we that we put our protections,
if you will, around children. And

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I think it's an important it's an
important part of raising our kids. Right.

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And so to say that you know, a parent can decide to you

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know, do whatever, you know
their kid needs this, that or the

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other thing. I think it's when
it comes to these types of life changing

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issues that will have ramifications well into
adulthood that we should allow. You know,

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adults should be the ones making those
decisions for their own selves, not

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a child of any age having that
uh decision in some ways be made for

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them by their parents. So speaker
Stevens forward for me, you don't view

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yourself as a liberal. You don't
view yourself as something that once government to

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make decisions, Uh, the mine
set. It's up to the it's up

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to the patients and the doctors,
not up to government to tell. And

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I said to the governor, look, you have all kinds of rules and

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the regulations Jehovah. Witnesses may say, you know, my kid can't get

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a blood transfusion. You go to
court to get the blood transfusion. There

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might be some parents who say,
you know what, my kid's never going

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to be vaccinated against smallpox. Well
to do a bunch of stuff, you

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got to get your childhood vaccination.
A lot of parents say, my kid

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doesn't belong in a child safety seat. I believe in kids roaming around and

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making their own decisions. Well,
government says you can't make that decision.

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You have to do that. So
there's all kinds of things. But of

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course DeWine said somehow this is different. Now, Speaker Stevens, did what

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happened on Friday change your view at
all? Because Governor DeWine said on Friday

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issuing an executive order that I would
imagine for everyone in the state of Ohio,

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you can't have surgical intervention until there's
all kinds of procedures through hospitals or

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whatever be involved. Did that change
your opinion at all? When Governor Mike

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DeWine added a little extra on Friday, Well, I think you know it

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was a step in the right direction. But I think what's important to remember

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is is when the legislature puts it
in, you know, it becomes part

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of its law, and you know, an executive order is just that,

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you know, depending on who's head
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implemented. So I think it's important
for the law to be on the books

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and you know, as we work
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that's part of you know, how
we how we administer the laws. I

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think that's important as well. But
I do believe that having this state of

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Ohio that would tell an Ohio adult, that is, someone over eighteen that

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they cannot go through hormonal replacement and
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Would you support a law for an
adult Ohio one to be restricted and transgenderism

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when it comes to hormones and surgery? Would you support that or not?

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Yeah, that's a great question.
Bill. I think it's important that you

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know, people have their freedom to
do what they want to, but also

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in these kind of situations, I
think it's also important that they have to

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have some sort of you know,
some sort of counseling and some sort of

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you know, the pros and the
cons and all of that sort of thing

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before you know, adult makes that
decision. I think that's you know,

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the best practice of any kind of
medical care. But you know, what

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we're talking about in this issue is, you know, it's about kids,

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It's about people eight under eighteen,
and I think that is important. But

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you know, as you know,
somebody forty years old that's you know,

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full grown and wants to do whatever. That's pretty much. You know,

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I'm pretty uh pretty. You know, it's America, right, You get

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to do what you want to do. You know, is we we we

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say where I'm from. You know
my unofficial our unofficial mottos, you're not

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the bossomy. So you know,
once you get to that, once you

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get to that level that I think
it's a much different question than what you

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know happens to a twelve or thirteen
year old in this situation. Now.

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Secondly, Speaker Jason Stevens of the
leader of the Ohio House of Representatives,

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I spoke with the governor yesterday about
marijuana. He was less than kind when

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it came to the House of Representatives, namely you and not acting more quickly

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when it comes to marijuana. He
said, there's products being sold in gas

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stations that have allucinogenic effects that kids
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I had a county prosecutor tell me
they went to the Bengals game against

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the Browns on Sunday and there was
marijuana being smoked in the smoking section.

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Wherever you can smoke a cigarette,
you can smoke marijuana. And that was

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upsetting to some and so we have
basically little or no rules when it comes

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to marijuana. You can smoke marijuana
right now in Ohio. You can grow

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marijuana from from seed to joint.
It takes about three to four months,

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however, but you cannot actually legally
buy it. And the governor wants you

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to act quickly? Will you heed
the governor's call? Well, I will.

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I will say this. I've been
to a Bengals game before the uh

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before before the marijuana was legalized,
and you can certainly smell it in the

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parking lot before as well. So
you know, these are things that have

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happened well before. You know,
the legalization was voted upon, and I

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think what's important is is it's balancing
the you know, the will of people.

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Fifty seven percent of the people voted
for it. It's something that you

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know, as you get into the
details of the law, you know that

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was voted on. You know there's
a lot of runway, if you will,

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before it can be sold as recreational. It's all the way up until

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June before people can't even apply and
for a license to sell it, and

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it's not issued until September, maybe
even October, so there is some time

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to deal with that. What I
think is important and what we've tried to

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do in the House is to be
very deliberative on what are we actually doing,

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because here's the thing, in my
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marijuana is going to be legal in
Ohio, recreational marijuana, But what

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is important is to have that business
structure done in a way so that it's

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done effectively, because if the business
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correctly, you know, the black
market is going to grow anyway, right

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or if you have the tax rate
be so high that nobody's going to want

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to buy legal marijuana, they'll either
drive to Michigan or they'll do it on

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their own. And I think some
of those issues, you know, we

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can deal with either through the rule
making process or you know, taking time

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to look at it. And even
even within the Republican caucus too, we

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have a wide array of what people's
opinions are all the way from you know,

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they voted to know and want to
ban it forever to you know it

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should be legal, you know,
as legal as can be, I guess.

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So really coming to that conclusion and
coming to that consensus to change a

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law that the voters voted on,
you know, I would rather err on

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the side of being more deliberative and
taking our time. And you know,

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we've had legalized marijuana, I guess
for over a month now in Ohio,

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and you know, we're still you
know, the sun still comes up,

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and we still want to deal with
that. But there's still plenty of time

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to address the issue and legislatively addressing
it at this point, you know,

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I'm sure you know, as time
goes on, you know, every GA

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in the future, there'll probably be
tweaks to the industry and that sort of

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thing. But to do an absolute
overhaul within you know, a few minutes

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after the people have spoken, I
think being deliberative about that and getting consensus

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from all sides is more important than
hurrying up and pushing something through that may

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be more harmful than good. So, Speaker, you're saying that Governor says

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get it done now or in February, there's an article in the enquire about

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how slow this is going. You're
saying, this likely we'll not already done.

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Well, it's already done. The
people spoke in November. And it's

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not that it's not done. I
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is done. It's just what needs
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I think some of the issue as
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what to do with the tax revenue. And you know, the way the

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legislation was written, it was it
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bureaucrats being the ones that kind of
administer the money. This is a general

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statement whereas you know, if I
was wanting to change shit, I would

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think it would be more important that
the local communities, you know, where

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the where the stuff is sold,
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and not not the bureaucracy in Columbus. So that's been some of our conversation,

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you know, behind the scenes,
is what's best because if the local

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communities are generating that tax revenue and
they're going to have to deal with whatever

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the fallout may be, that they
should be the ones who control where that

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money is spent. Now, lastly, about a minute remaining, Speaker Jason

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Stevens Ohio House representatives, the abortion
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But nonetheless, the people have spoken. And I had on all the great

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debates on Issue one, back and
forth, fifty seven percent said abortion on

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demand all the way up and through
birth. That's the way it is.

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And some said that during the debate, well, this doesn't affect parental notification,

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this doesn't affect the fetal tissue remains
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And I'm thinking, wait a minute, when I read Issue one,

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it seemed to wipe those things completely
away, as a speaker of the House,

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with state Issue one, which is
abortion on demand forever through birth,

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do those other aspects of the Statutes
of Ohio remain when it comes to parental

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consent notification, fetal tissue disposal,
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You know, really is that is
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courts to figure out the details of
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to the to the new constitutional amendment. You know, I don't have any

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intention. I don't believe the Republican
Caucus has any intention to remove any of

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those laws from the books. So
I think, you know, over time,

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those will be tested in the courts. And I think also over time,

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you know, we will see the
impacts of this constitutional amendment and you

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know we'll we will have to deal
with those as a society really and you

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know, well we will. You
know, it's just one of those things

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where you have to say, we'll
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as sore as the legislature dealing with
the issue, I think it's it will

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it will be sometime in the very
distant future that before we will have to

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address that because most of those issues
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you know, over the next several
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and we'll see how those work out. Speaker Jason Stevens hah Ohio House of

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Representatives, thank you for coming on
the Bill Cunningham Show and responding to what

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the governor said yesterday. Speaker,
thank you very much, absolutely, thank

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you, Bill, have a great
day. Thank you. Let's continue with

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