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Get some facts and come back and
seebe. Get some facts and come back

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and Seebee. Don't fill up salaries
or other things. Get some facts and

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come back and Seebee. You can't
handle the true now told our players you

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need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats

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in here. Looking in the mirror, I look good. I got my

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extra bands on, I got my
other shoes. Be a doll. We

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don't need no mouns. We don't
need no cats. We need more dolls.

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Why you're not a detain Oh you're
not. At the time, we

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weren't good. There's no sense of
asking me things about the game. I'm

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telling you we laid an egg.
So I'm not gonna break it down for

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you. He sucks. He sucked. He laid an egg. That's all

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I have to say. Guys,
I'm sorry. I'm not gonna break it

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down for you. Nothing went well
for us. It's on us. We

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have to figure it out every way. SHOWDA, it is showtime. Welcome

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On a day to day basis really
fortunate to be able to bring in

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this next guest. He's as admired
as maybe any writer who has ever written

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in the state of Michigan. I
mean, there are certain writers where you

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look at and you say, you
know what, I believe him. That's

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not always easy. A lot of
people feel like they have been fortunate to

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work with a legend like Mike O'Hara, who's in the Michigan Sports Hall of

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Fame, and rightfully so, he's
been doing as well as anybody. From

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nineteen sixty six through two thousand and
eight he was of the Detroit News and

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after that time with the Lions in
on Lions dot Com, and he's been

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a Liones beat writer since nineteen seventy
seven. He has served his country and

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he has served this area so gracefully
and so well, and he joins us

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now that he's going to retire on
Monday, and rightfully so Michael Harris with

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us here on Exis and Bros.
Michael, thank you, congratulations. It's

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so well deserved. How did you
know it was time? It just felt

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that way, And I think I
was probably a year late. I probably

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should have retired last year, not
this year. Yeah, not this year.

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It's just the things that were easy
to do were quite as easy,

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and just just just had that feeling
that it's time to go. But now

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I guess I think I kind of
got caught up in the new organization and

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all that thought. I could just
see what they had in this last year,

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and it turned out they had a
lot, And I don't regret staying

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another year. I really don't.
Yeah, I don't think anybody who reads

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your synopsis, your breakdowns, your
analysis feels that either what have you enjoyed

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most about your career? Well,
it's you know, I'm not a player,

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so I can't, but it's really
similar to that for us. You

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know, it's it's the test room, you know, kind of to come

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to work and the the insults start
to fly and all of that, and

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then I start to talk about things
in the game, and you know,

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it's still competing. Don't get me
wrong, but you know what it's like

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to start talking about what happened yesterday
what might happen tomorrow, you know.

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And that was the fun part,
just sort of interacting with with guys from

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you know, from the other other
papers and other media outlets. That that

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was really to me the fun of
the business. What's interesting, too,

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is that this team might have its
best opportunity. You would know this better

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than I, but this team might
have its best opportunity to reach the super

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Bowl, and you may not be
able to write about that if you're leaving

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on Monday. Did you ever think
about that as you were contemplating this decision?

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Well, that's why I stayed another
for this year. It was just

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know the season we just had.
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but no I didn't. They wouldn't
do it for that reason. I really

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wouldn't. By the way, I
just like to mention one thing. A

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guy who's made boll of this a
lot easier is Tim twenty than you know.

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He came over from the Detroit News
about a year before I did to

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the and I think he's probably one
of the most prolific writers I've ever been

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prouded my life. He just does
so many things does him so well.

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It's just it's really been a pleasure
looking with Tim. Yeah, it's a

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great points. He's excellent at what
he does and he yeah, he really

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is. And he sent something out
on Twitter. He's been so well accommodating,

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endearing and understanding and willing to learn. I mean, it's it's funny,

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even when you do it for as
long as you and Tim has done,

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you can still learn from people.
And absolutely yeah, and he wrote,

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look, legend I'm so fortunate to
being able to work with and learn

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from Mike at both the Detroit News
and here with the Lions over the last

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twenty years. It's not like he
stayed to claim to his territory and said

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I'm sorry, I feel threatened by
a legendary writer. Instead, he opened

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his arms to you. And I
think you've done that for quite a few

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people as well, so many stories
with the Detroit Lions. I'm sure you

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get asked this all the time by
people. So I'll just be one in

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the many of a line of people
who've asked you this. Is there any

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one particular player or storyline that sticks
out to you in all the years you've

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covered this franchise, well, this
one really stands out, and it is

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not a good one. I don't
think that Berry Sanders retirement was that was

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one, and I was expecting it. I really was. And I'll tell

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you a quick, little quick story
that one of the writers for ESPN had

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just a little item in his column
that offseason that Barry wasn't happy and he

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sort of got a sense of that, you know, And so I called

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his father, William, who I
got to know somewhat not you know,

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we want close friends, but he
was always accommodating to talk. And I

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said, mister Williams dot Williams.
Anyway, I said, I asked him

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to say that what I remember on
Sports Illustrated And I said, what's the

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deal? And he said, he's
sick of them, He's sick of losing.

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Oh boy, this is going to
be something. It turned out to

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be just a blackbuster story from that
moment until Barry Sanders, you know,

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did not show up for training camp
three months later or whatever it was.

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And then then and then it was
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story that I covered. It was
involved with or whatever you want to call

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it. Michael, by the way, I'm sorry, just want to think.

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So it wasn't my favorite because I
wanted to see Barry Sanders play and

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not just a great player, but
a great person too. But to me,

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it was the most obviously had the
most impact. Michael here joining us

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here on Exes and Bros. He
retires Monday, and he's a Michigan Sports

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Hall of Famer. He's been the
reason you read about the Lions for for

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so many decades. When you when
you look back at all the teams and

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all the players you've covered, is
there what's the biggest misnomer that people failed

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to realize about a player or this
franchise. That the Fordes don't want to

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don't care about winning and losing,
and they care very much about it.

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That's why they made so many changes. And I'm just going, since I

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came on the beat in nineteen seventy
seven, you know, they add up

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the number of coaching changes and personnel
changes and all that, but we'd be

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here for a month and a half
or something like that. They put all

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that together. But you know,
they care very much and they always have,

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always will through different generations. You
know, mister William clay Ford passed

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away, and think it was nineteen, nineteen eighty, nineteen eighty for something

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like twenty I'm sorry, twenty fifteen. And then his wife, Martha Firestone

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Ford took over and absolutely committed to
winning. And then now Sheila hamp the

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daughter and who really has been on
the front line there of changing things for

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the Detroit Lions, and she's been
successful. She's had the success that the

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other ones haven't had for whatever reason. What do you like about this Lion's

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team? Younger players with talent and
speed? I like speed, and then

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they have that. They have a
lot of other excuse me, a lot

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of other things too, but they
have some interchangeable perps and and I don't

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think if you look at that team, look, nobody has it all.

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And it's just it's it's impossible,
what really is because no matter how well

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things are going, you're going to
have they're going to change personnel from one

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season to the next. I mean, there's a been somebody came up with

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a figure one time on the average, thirty percent of your rosteril channel from

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one season to the next. I
don't know if that's exactly true, but

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I'm sure it's not saying off.
And so that's the hard part is putting

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all these players back together. But
the however they've done and through the just

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great drafting. You know, really, but Bret Holmes, the general manager,

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and with the head coach Dan Campbell, you know, chime it in.

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They've really been able in three years. The first three years. We

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haven't seen this year's team play yet, but in the first three years,

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excuse, they've really put together good
players, not just first round players,

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but you know, all the way
through the through the noster and through the

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draft, they've been able to put
together good players on the field for the

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and they're going to be good,
not just this year and next to it,

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every they're going to be good for
a while. They really are because

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they don't have like any aging players
that they have to get rid of.

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They're pretty solid from top to bout
him. He's been writing in this area

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since nineteen sixty six. He's covered
the line since nineteen seventy seven. He's

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a Hall of Famer. He's Michael
Harra. Mike, thanks for your time,

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Congratulations, appreciate the friendship and all
that you've done and keeping things interesting

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for Lions fans, whether they're winning
or losing. You deserve this my friend.

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Congrats, Hey, thanks thanks for
calling me. I appreciate it.

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You bet any. That's Michael Harra
joining us here on ex'es and Bros.

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We'll talk a little bit more about
the Lions on the other side and all

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the great things that Michae O'Hara has
seen and some of the frustrating things that

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conversation we had with Michae O'Hara.
Find out on our podcast. Michael'hara still

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covering the Lions until Monday, and
one of the things that he noticed Yesterday

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was day two of their training not
training camp, but their mandatory mini camp,

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and one of the things that people
are starting to recognize is that,

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first of all, Hendon Hooker is
still trying to find his way a little

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bit in the NFL. One day
good, one day maybe not so good.

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The other thing that we're starting to
recognize is just how important it will

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be for Jamison Williams in this team. Really important to have certain players break

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out, break from a mold and
become who you thought they were going to

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become. Jamison Williams was the number
twelve overall pick in twenty twenty two.

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There's been some issues. He's only
twenty three years old. That's awesome.

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That kind of goes to what Mike
was telling us. Mike said, the

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reason this team's going to be good
for a long time is because of how

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they manage their roster. I thought
it was pretty interesting that he said thirty

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roughly thirty percent of every NFL roster
changes. It's the key guys who you

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have to keep. You have to
know when to sign them, how long

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to sign them for, at what
age are you signing them, and how

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much money it's going to take for
you to keep them there right well,

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with Jamison Williams just twenty three years
young, that's a huge positive for this

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team. But this is a massive
year. Dan Campbell said that if you

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said give me one player who's been
the most improved from start to finish,

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Jamo would be that guy. Right
now. That doesn't always translate into games.

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So with your permission, I'm going
to hold I'm going to reserve my

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opinion for right now on Jamison Williams. This year is a huge year for

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him and what it means to the
success of this franchise. They have all

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the pieces they need. No team
is perfect. As Mike just mentioned,

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no team is perfect, especially during
the regular season as Kansas City I end

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up winning the Super Bowl. But
how many times did you read during the

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season that Kansas City is susceptible,
that they're vulnerable, that their run may

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have ended, their window may have
closed, they'll have to reboot After every

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loss you read that people didn't believe
that they were Super Bowl worthy during the

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regular season. They started to buy
in in the playoffs when they beat Baltimore,

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But overall, there were a lot
of people who were shaking their heads

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saying it's time for a new champion. They've played a lot of football more

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than anybody else. They just don't
have the horses anymore. Whatever excuse you

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want. Josh Reynolds has now gone. He's in He's in Denver, right,

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Yeah, he's in Denver. That
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guy. He'll start, He'll be
their deep threat. He'll be targeted quite

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a bit, and rightfully so,
and he will be what many Lions fans

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hope to be, will be their
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on, Ross Saint Brown is that
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unlikely. But you can't deny the
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And he's got the contract to go
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what I'm on. Ross Saint Brown
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He's delivered catches, yards, big
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contract and wins, the latter being
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be a guy who this offense will
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No, no, I think Josh
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Williams will have to be much more
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to do it? Looks like he'll
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regular season soon. There are certain
players in the NFL. I wish we

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could have gotten to this with Michaelherra, but time is short in the first

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half hour of our shows each hour. But I would have liked to have

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asked him his opinion on an eighteen
game regular season because Ryan Kelly, who

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is the vice president of the National
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it. He's a hell of a
player, by the way, center for

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the Colts. When asked about extending
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said this, I hope not eighteen
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saying it on the Pat McAfee podcast. But until you're the one going out

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there putting a helmet on eighteen of
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to me. Football maybe more than
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there's a maybe looking for more because
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it. I mean I say this
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gets it right. They are constantly, constantly in the news. Why that's

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by design. We're never too far
away from talking about football, and this

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is another way for Roger Goodell to
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The key for us is looking at
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that make our game safer. Seventeen
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one. Working with our players Association
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agreement with them if we were going
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this is not necessarily in order is
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would do it in the context of
reducing the number of preseason games. We

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think that's a good trade. Less
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I think most anybody would think that's
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he's getting at when the games are
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or when those playoffs are being played. The timing of it, for Roger

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Goodell is really important. He has
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That's not an unreasonable thing. Super
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weekend, which is a three day
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and then you have Monday off.
There you go. That's a big thing

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for him. What's interesting and almost
laughable is that he says, the key

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for us is making sure we're doing
things to make our game safer. How

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are you making it safer on a
collision sport. It's not a contact sport.

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It's a collision sport. How are
you making it safer by extending it

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and asking your athletes, your participants
to do it for at least one more

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week during the regular season. Don't
tell me taking out a preseason game makes

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up for the regular season game.
The regular season game, all the starters

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are playing the preseason game. That
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Michigan Sports Network. Another good example
of how the NFL just continues to stay

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in the pickup discussion. The articles
written are pretty damn creative. I'm sure

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many of them are almost annual,
but who remembers right, I mean,

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you'd have to go way back and
chart it all. But it's fun to

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discuss top NFL MVP candidates for all
thirty two teams. How many ben how

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many do you think are non quarterbacks. Anytime you think of MVP, you

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immediately go toward the quarterbacks. NBA
MVP, what do you think of?

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You think of leading scorers or close
to it? Right, Luca Dodges didn't

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win the MVP, but he was
in that discussion. Same thing in hockey,

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the leading scorer. You're not getting
a defenseman winning the Heart Trophy,

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okay, in the National Hockey League. In baseball, what's it usually about.

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It's about hits and runs, and
it's about offense, is what I'm

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referring to. In the NFL,
it's primarily about quarterbacks. How many teams

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do you think have a leading candidate
for MVP who is not a quarterback?

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I would say about ten to fifteen. There's one one. Oh wow,

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there's one team. This is based
on odds betting odds. Okay, there's

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one team out there who's leading candidate
for the MVP award in the upcoming NFL

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season who is not a quarterback?
Who is it? Like I had in

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mind, like Christian McCaffrey or Justin
Jefferson. Justin Jefferson is the answer.

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Okay, all right, So Arizona, it's Kyler Murray, Atlanta's Kirk Cousins.

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You can figure it out. I
don't have to give you all the

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quarterbacks, right, but you had
mentioned San Francisco go, which is good,

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but it's it's you know, brock
Purty at plus two thousand. Obviously,

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that means the Lions for Jared Goff. That to me is fascinating.

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And the reason I think it's fascinating
is because for a lot of these you

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just don't know, Like for Washington, it's Jaden Daniels for New England who

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drafted Drake May Do you know who
the odd odds on favorite is to win

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the MVP from the New England Patriots
is it's Jacoby Brissett. That is ridiculous.

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I get c J. Stroud,
I get Jordan Love, I get,

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to a certain extent, Deshaun Watson
or Joe Burrow. I don't know

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if I could go so far as
Jared Stidham. That's what it is for

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Denver, But I Matthew Stafford to
a tongue of ALOA, Okay, I

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understand it. Aaron Rodgers for the
Jets, Jalen Hurts, Right, how

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in the world did you have Jacoby
Brissette think about this? Anthony Richardson was

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hurt all of last year. He's
the leading candidate for the Indianapolis Colts.

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We are so focused on quarterbacks in
the NFL. And I'm not saying it's

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not important, you know, damn
well it is. It's the most important

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position in sports. That and goalie. I've said it constantly. It's just

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amazing that you'll dig that deep into
something just to prove the importance of that

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position. It's crazy, absolutely nuts. All right, I want to shift

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gears. NBA Finals it starts tonight
in Boston. Thankfully, it's been a

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long layoff. I understand the layoff. I get why it happens. It

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happens because the NBA has to schedule
like each series might go seven games,

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all right, so you understand that. I wish there could be some flexibility

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there. It's not as simple as
just saying, well, Boston swept Cleveland,

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Dallas dispatched their opponent Minnesota in six
games, five games, and now

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we can start playing two days later. It's not how it works, not

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with television rights and arena set up
and everything else like that. So I

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don't think it's quite that easy.
I wish there was some flexibility there.

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There isn't so be it. It
starts tonight the sixty four win Boston Celtics

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that currently possess, based on numbers, the most efficient offense in the league,

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and some have written it's the most
efficient offense in NBA history. Now

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it was last week. I believe. I said they've gotten some breaks and

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that's okay. These things happen.
You play the team that you're faced with,

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right, Okay. Indiana didn't have
Tyre's Halburton for a couple of games.

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Cleveland didn't have Donovan Mitchell for a
couple of games. Jimmy Butler never

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played for Miami. That's not Boston's
fault. They did what they were supposed

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to do. It's interesting they've only
lost twice in the playoffs, but people

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will try and take it away from
them because of the players who weren't available

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for the opposition. My argument to
that has always been, well if they

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lost to those teams, I get
why you're using it, but what are

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they supposed to do when you don't
have Jimmy Butler, you expect Boston to

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dominate Miami. They pretty much dominated
them. They lost one game when there

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is no Donovan Mitchell for Cleveland.
You expect Boston to dominate them. They

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did except for one game. And
by the way, when Donovan Mitchell was

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healthy, they still beat them,
but they lost game two. So they

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lost game two against Miami. They
lost game two against Cleveland. Then they

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take on Indiana. When you don't
have Tyrese Haliburton, you expect Boston to

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take care of business, and they
did in four games. How much is

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enough? You have to decide that, Oh, they only beat him by

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three, sheep, They beat him
by three in each of the last two

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games. So how special can they
really be? Hey, listen, they

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still did what they were supposed to
do. You expected them to sweep them

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if there is no Tyres Albert.
You expected them to dominate the previous two

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teams, as I mentioned, without
their stars, and they did. But

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it's still not enough. Now you're
going to put an average margin of victory

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onto the argument. Okay, there's
the second caveat. I suppose that you

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want. But it's an efficient offense
according to all the numbers, the most

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efficient offense in NBA history, led
by Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown Dallas.

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In the meantime, arguably the best
backcourt in playoff history, arguably last said

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offensive wise, gifted wise, shooting, and the like. You could make

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the argument it's probably gone a little
bit under the radar that they added guys

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like Daniel Gaffer for PJ. Washington
to help bring everything together and give them

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everything. But when you have Luka
Doncic and you have Kyrie Irving, it's

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hard to argue how good they are
offensively. Dallas won fifty games, that's

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a lot, but it pales in
comparison to sixty four for Boston. Number

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one offensive rating for Boston, number
eight for Dallas, number two defensive rating

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for Boston. A team for Dallas. This goes back to what I was

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saying earlier. I was talking about
an article that ranked the top fifteen players

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in the NBA Finals, and they've
got Luka Doncic in there as number one.

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We know why, right, he
led the league in scoring. He's

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one of the best versatile offensive players
we perhaps have ever seen. I mean,

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when healthy, I'd probably take Giannisan
to Ta Coompo, So I think

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he does it on the defensive side
of the floor, too. But man,

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I mean, you cannot argue with
how pure a shooter Doncich is how

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crisp his offense is and how pretty
it is to watch Dallas play when he's

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on the floor in that type of
groove. It's even more mesmerizing when it's

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he and Kyrie ir ring together.
But defensively, that's what it's going to

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come down to, Right, Can
Dallas match Boston's defensive intensity? They couldn't

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during the regular season, as evident
by the numbers. Can they do it

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in this series? We'll soon find
out. I'm looking forward to it.

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Tomorrow. We'll talk a little bit
about the Stanley Cup Finals that starts on

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Saturday. You talk about long layoff, that Florida and Edmonton waiting. You're

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just hoping that Saturday gets here quick
enough. But who's the Who do you

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think is the best player in this
NBA Finals? Look, this might be

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I'm not saying this just to be
different, because I think Jason Tatum's underrated.

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I do. I think he takes
a lot of crap there in Boston,

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and I think he's a really good
player. I think he's you could

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make the argument he's their best player. But I think the guy going into

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there are many keys, Right,
Drew Holliday trying to stop Kyrie Irving is

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going to be big. Who on
Dallas is going to check Derek White.

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I think the best player going into
the series is Jaylen Brown. He won

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the Eastern Conference Finals MVP, DCIC
won the Western Conference Finals MVP, and

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I like Brown. He averaged twenty
five points, shot fifty four percent,

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averaged six rebounds, two and a
half assists, over a steal per game

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in the first three rounds. Hit
that game time three in Game one against

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Indiana, had a forty point game
in game two. Remember a couple of

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years ago when he made his first
Finals appearance, he did not shy away

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from those proverbial big lights. Sure
they lost to Golden State in six games,

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but he averaged close to twenty four
points and over seven rebounds and four

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assists per game. That's pretty damn
good. So I think he's the guy.

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I'm not saying he's going to be
the MVP of this Finals, and

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I'm not telling you I think he's
a better scorer than Luka Danciz or Kyrie

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Irving or perhaps even j Sentatum.
I'm talking about his overall game. Is

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there anybody else who you look at
as this Finals begins and you think that's

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the guy. You can call us
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twenty one thousand. When I watch
these two teams play, I will say

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this, you probably know exactly where
I'm going with this, and you probably

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feel the same way. When you
watch these two teams play, it really

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does make you realize just how far
away your team is and what you can

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expect to try and add in the
draft or maybe use from the draft to

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get a different player, because they're
not even close to these two teams.

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This is what it takes. Detroit's
going to draft number five. Who they

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take, you know, I don't
know. I mean, like I've said

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before, I'd love to trade the
pick if it were worth anything, if

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there was any type of value in
it, because people have always said,

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for I think for the last couple
of years, that this is going to

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be a very weak draft, and
it sure seems that way. But I

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saw mock recently that Donovan Klingon,
the twenty year old from Connecticut who is

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seven foot two, might be Detroit's
answer at number five. Dalton, connect

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would make a lot of sense.
I tend and this is unfair. I'll

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admit it, but I tend to
gravitate toward college players, and I do

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that because I watch them more.
No offense to any of these other players,

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Nicola Tapch, I have no idea
how good that eighteen year old is,

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no idea. Don't ask me to
break down. Mattis Bizellus, who's

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with the G League. Don't expect
any type of deep response when it comes

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to Ale Sar, the seven foot
one nineteen year old who played for the

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Perth Wildcats. Because you and I
don't know those guys. That doesn't mean

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you close your mind to a foreign
born player as someone who's playing. I

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mean, would you not have taken
a lot of the players recently. Luka

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Doncic is a really good example.
Webin Yama is an excellent example. Absolutely

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neither one. None of the players
in this upcoming draft are expected to be

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anything close to those guys. Look
at the cops who some of these guys

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are. Who writers and I guess
it would be scouts. Front office personnel

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are comparing these guys too. There
aren't They're not names that make you go

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gotta have them. That's the next
Tim Duncan Wow, that guy plays a

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lot like Shaquille O'Neal. That's great. I'm gonna take no no. They're

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names of guys who have played in
the league and have been productive players in

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the league. That's as nice as
I can put it. It's not blow

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your socks off type players. I
don't think any of them are going to

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be the next leader of a franchise. Well, that's up to Trajan Langdon

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and the Pistons to quickly figure out. Really didn't talk much about that when

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that news broke that Langdon's now in
charge, Troy Weaver is gone. But

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I know in reading social media that
many people could not be more thrilled than

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to see Troy Weaver out the door
and Trajan Langdon in the door because it's

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the latest next best thing needs somebody
to turn it around, because you just

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don't feel like this guy knew what
he was doing, and it's been pretty

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evident, even though he did a
nice job with Oklahoma City as their assistant

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general manager, coming off a fourteen
and sixty eight season and coming off some

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of the worst I mean, he
never won more than twenty eight percent of

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the games in a single season.
That's on him. That's his team,

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the team he put together, the
team he believed in. Again, it

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goes back to what we were saying
earlier in the show, the patience.

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I'm tired of the word because you
and I have been living it for an

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extended period of time with the Pistons, with the Red Wings, with the

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Tigers, the Lions finally satisfied our
thirst for winning a year ago. I

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want to thank Michael Harra for joining
us here on Xes and Bros. This

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morning. That was a lot of
fun, man. I mean, here's

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a guy who is a Michigan Hall
of Famer. He's going to retire on

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Monday. He spent two years in
the Army, one year as in Vietnam,

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a writer from the Detroit News from
nineteen sixty six through two thousand and

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he's seen it all, heard it
all when it comes to the NFL,

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and we've been lucky to be able
to read his insights for years. So

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I want to thank him, want
to thank Ben for his producing of our

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program, and most of all,
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