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What is up, fellow thermonuclear affers. I am Dana Valley coming at you

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without my certified fantabulist co host,
mister Grant Hughs, but we are pleased

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and grateful to be joined by the
equally certified fantabulist Kyle, co host of

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the Court Cousins podcast covering the Orlando
Magic. They did a great job over

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there. I only recently stumbled upon
to them, and they were a joy

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to listen. To follow them on
the Twitter machine at Court Underscore Cousins spelled

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exactly as it sounds double c's.
And then wherever you get your podcast platforms,

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they are on YouTube and they're gonna
be on all the pod mediums.

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I will include links to all that
stuff in the podcast and YouTube description,

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so go check them out. Kyle, this is your first time on the

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podcast, so you didn't know it
was a mistake just yet. But how

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are you doing well. I'm really
happy to be here with you. Dan,

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Thanks so much. I love what
you do. I just I just

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hope I put on a good show
for all those thermonuclear mrffers out there tonight,

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and I'm gonna try to just be
out of this world like the alien

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aesthetic that we're going for. I've
got my my conspiracy glasses in the back,

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just ready to go, so we'll
see if I'm excited for those we're

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gonna need. I hope those come
on no fewer than twelve times during the

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course of this podcast. And I
also see the there was where I saw

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a baby Yoda in the background.
So we're keeping our game right there.

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And yeah, we're like, I
like the I like the aesthetic behind you.

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I like the lighting, and I
like the Orlando mascot whose name is

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like failing me right now. It's
their mascot, Bay, it's not things.

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Yeah, and I've always wanted to
ask I've always wanted to ask you,

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Dan, I'm all right for a
step in on you. There.

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You've got the T MAC in the
background, and now that we're talking magic,

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I need a little history behind that. What's the context? Are you

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a closeted Magic fan? Are you
just a T MAC fan? What's happened?

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Yes? Yeah, I'm really Orlando
Magic fans. Some people would claim

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that I'm just a fake Magic fan
trying to curry favor with a non glamor

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market. But I loved the that
Orlando Magic era. That aesthetic is just

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my favorite. It's not the hardcore
pin stripe jersey, but I like the

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pin stripes coming down the side in
the white. And I also loved t

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Mac and that magic era is like
one of my great what ifs of like

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what if these dudes stayed healthy looking
at t Mac, looking at Grant Hill

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and even just the stories of like
around that time where they almost got Tim

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Duncan and how close they came to
getting that. So someone gave me that

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jersey because they knew that I was
obsessed with both the aesthetic and t Mac

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himself. So it hangs there and
for a who cares the jersey next to

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it. I don't know if you've
ever gotten to this. People have asked

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me who it is. It's Danilo
Gallinari because it's it's obviously Danila Gallanari.

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I might be the only person on
the planet who likes the Knicks Saint Patty's

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Day colorways that they got rid of
years ago. I loved those things.

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Yeah, I can't get there with
you. I don't know if I could

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ever like a next jersey, but
well that's fair, but like the next

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jerseys are still boring their version of
being creative is like, hey, let's

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make everything all black and orange,
and it's just like step outside the box,

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give me green and orange, and
I love it. This isn't a

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jersey show, but for the Magic
fans that are tuning in, we're craving

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new jerseys, We're craving some of
the nostalgias our thirty fifth season. We're

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just begging give us something, give
them the stars of the t mac era.

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I mean, people really want to
go back to the pin stripes.

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I say, hold your holes,
as folks. It's probably not going back

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there. But let's see what the
Magic front office and the marketing team developed

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for us this year. That'll have
to be a podcast when all the alternate

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jerseys are released this year, which
we've never done, which we probably should

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have. Yeah, I mean it's
so easy to please fans, Like if

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you just gave them the pinstripes,
the Orlando Magic fans would probably be over

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the moon and back. And so
it's not even a matter of like you

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don't even need to come up with
something innovative. These people are Everyone wants

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nostalgia now, but some teams are
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I think the Knicks have. Actually, the Knicks and the Celtics have sucked

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something hard when it comes to their
jerseys. I'm not gonna lie they are.

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They are just what's the opposite of
innovative, just unoriginal and lazy.

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They feel like, like you said, not a jersey podcast though, it's

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agast so I want to start here. Nationally. I think people who didn't

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have as good a pulse on the
team saw the cap space landscape, saw

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the Magic could have or would have
over twenty million in cap space, could

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get to more if they really wanted
to, and just expected them to do

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something big. They end up with
Joe Ingles, and I think that took

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a lot. Again, a lot
of people naturally were just like ah blah.

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Even my co host Grant and too
thrilled with Orlando's off season when we

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went through grades. Were you expecting
something bigger? Is this about what you

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expected? Were you disappointed they weren't
even linked to some sort of bigger swing?

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Where did you land on just kind
of the machinations of their off season?

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Yeah, I definitely was not expecting
anything big. I think most in

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the Magic community we're not expecting something
big. And if you're someone that's followed

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the track record of what used to
be Weltman and Hammond who were coming from

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Milwaukee. Now Hammond has stepped aside
and it's now Weltman and Parker running the

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Orlando Magic front office. But you
saw in Milwaukee what John Hammond. They're

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patient, They're not gonna jump into
anything crazy. I mean, thinking about

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that situation. They drafted Janice,
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project, and you can see the
parallels here in in Orlando and US Magic

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fans are helping them, hoping those
parallels continue to a championship. But we've

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got we think our guy or maybe
two guys. If we're gonna talk about

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Wagner a little bit exactly, we've
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and Mark ll Folt we're going to
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tried to have another one in Bull
Bull that didn't work out. But but

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you can see the pattern again evolving
from Weltman, who learned under the tutelage

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of John Hammond. They're gonna be
patient, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff Weltman

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always talked about I'm not going for
the sugar high. I'm gonna be patient

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and we're going to develop this thing
in the right way. We're gonna take

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a swing at some point, you
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in Milwaukee and they went out and
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that that puzzle with also Brook Lopez. But we're not there yet. That

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was in the second contract of Jannis. It's so early on right now for

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us. I mean, it's a
great thing that people in the national media

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and national fans are saying, hey, why aren't they going all in,

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because that means there's a lot of
talent here in Orlando, and people are

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considering that we could make a jump. But I think it's a little too

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early. Magic die hard fans,
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It's coming not I don't even think
next offseason. Maybe once we start getting

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in the Franz's second contract and then
Polos, that's when I can see us

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really pushing the chips in. But
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So no, you know, this
didn't really surprise me. I wanted to

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get shooting, and we got it
in the form of Joe Ingles. You

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know, it's three point shooters.
That's what we needed, right, Look,

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he's a trillion years old, but
he was coming off he was coming

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off an ACL injury last year,
and he was a lot better than I

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expected. I think he's probably closer. I would say he's further away from

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cooked defensively than you would think.
And yeah, the magic don't need necessary,

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Like you could have one player on
the floor who's the defensive liability with

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this magic roster, and so I
think that really helps. But what type

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of like role should we expect Joe
Ingles who have based off this edition,

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is this we sign this guy to
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a ball handler for floor spaser or
was this more about not necessarily breaking case

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or emergency But he's not really going
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And this was more about getting a
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a locker room that is still when
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not saying these guys aren't high character
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young team. Yeah. Absolutely,
I think it's the ladder of those two.

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I think it's a high character guy, hilarious dude from all reports that's

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gonna fit in well. With this
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know. I don't Where is he
gonna fit in the depth chart is a

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great question. It's a nice hypothetical
to think about. I'd say maybe he's

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gonna be the third or fourth guy
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be backing up Paulo, probably playing
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Coach Moseley last year, with the
rotations he liked to take, he

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well, first of all, he
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was the first sub in, and
then soon thereafter it would be Franz off

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the court because Mosley loves to see
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really giving the keys to the second
unit to Franz. So how is it

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gonna work this year? I know
we're going to talk about some of these

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other guys. You know, I
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Then? You know, does av
come in? Cole Anthony has been

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our kind of six man microwave scorer, so I gotta figure he's gonna be

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relieving Marquelle. Yeah, I think
when Paulo comes off, you'll see Joe

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Ingles go on. But you know, Paulo played thirty two minutes a game

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last year. I think something like
that. So I think that Joe Ingles

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is going to be soaking up some
of those minutes. Maybe we'll go like

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small Ball five at some point and
they'll get a little extra playing time.

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I don't know. You reject that
shit into my veins. Please, I'll

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need someone to tag me on Twitter
if they see Joe Ingles playing the five

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during a Magic game and I'm watching, I'm gonna need to know. I'm

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sorry. I didn't mean to suggest
that. I meant in a small Ball

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five lineup, when maybe Paulo is
playing the five or something, Ingles may

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get a few more minutes. But
I really don't see this as you know,

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a big He's not going to be
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And if he is, like you
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of emergency, Houston, I think
we have a problem. There is an

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emergency. I think if we see
Joe Ingles getting a lot of minutes this

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year, I think, look,
twelve to fifteen minutes is probably the perfect

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Joe Ingles role at this point.
Anyway, when you're looking at his age

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and if you do have aspirations of
getting to the play in maybe getting into

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the playoffs and wanting him there available
for that, there's value in not over

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using him during the regular season.
There are other well, their actual big

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edition of the off season is they
draft Anthony Black, which was just such

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like in Orlando Magic front office pick
at this point, my two questions with

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him because I do like Anthony Black, but my full disclosure would be this

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was not the team I wanted him
to end up on, just because they

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had guys who can already really handle
the ball and were I don't want to

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say, because I believe in Palo's
jumper, but like and I believe in

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Jowen Suggs too, but like floors
basing liability collectively, and he ends up

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here, how concerned are you about
that fit? And then also what type

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of role do you expect him to
have in year one? Where yeah,

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this organization is still rebuilding, but
like there are some expectations now, so

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are they going to give him the
freedom to fail or the runway to fail?

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Yeah? I agree, don't I
don't think he really fits. I

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mean this, let me get the
shades on for the first conspiracy theory of

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the evening, because I don't think
that the front office that was their guy.

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I mean, I think that we
had targeted Asar Thompson, and I

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think the Pistons ruined the party because
that just makes so much more sense on

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this lineup, at least a guy
who is touted as someone who could shoot.

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And you're right, once that went, I just said, they went

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for the magic guy, the long
defensive player, and that's gonna get him

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playing time. But it's really tough. It's really tough, Dave. How

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does he get the runway? As
you said, Jeff Weltman says, we

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gotta give these guys a shot.
Well, where's the shot coming from,

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Jeff, Because I mean, I've
got the number twenty on right now.

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This is our boy, Mark l
Folts. A lot of us in the

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magic community believe in this guy.
He turned when he came back. We

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went from five and twenty to an
over five hundred team. So he is

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a winner. He is very key
to this team, and there just seems

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to be a lot of replication with
the skill set that Anthony Black will bring

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it bring in now, I think
he's gonna be the backup point guard or

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a backup playmaker. With the second
unit, but because of the lack of

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shooting and as of right now,
the lack of shooting from mark el Folts,

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I do believe it will get better, but it's never gonna be elites,

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I don't think because of that duplication
of skill. I don't. And

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you have both those guys on the
court at the same time, when you

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know you've got Paulo who's not yet
a very good three point shooter, Franz

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is about thirty seven percent right now, which is fine. And then when

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like that doesn't seem like that seems
like a defensive stopper team. No one's

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gonna score on us, But are
we gonna be able to score? Because

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teams will just park in the lane
and what are we gonna do? That's

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the problem now seeing him at summer
League, man, he is big like

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he is. He's yeah. I
don't, I don't know what he's advertised.

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I think when he's coming to league
he said like six seven, and

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Jet Howard supposed to be like six
nine. But he's standing like eye to

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eye with him. And also DJ
Wilson, who is our center. I

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believe am I getting his name?
They were I to I mean this guy

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looks big. He's a really good
rebounder, a much better rebounder than I

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knew, and his court vision is
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three or four three point shots in
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and if you're gonna let it go, and that's the time. So

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it was very concerning to me that
our top draft pick, who should have

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the keys in the summer league and
just do whatever you want, buddy,

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like let it fly, was not
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three. So it does create quite
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I don't know how Mark el Foltz
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they just tried to draft his the
insurance policy and if things don't will I

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just it's a high enough pick to
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replacement rather than the insurance policy?
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I do think the lineup you outlaid
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If Palo is as good this year
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be. But when you talk about
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and that's like you know Wendell Carter
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want them to do more stand still
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a ton of him in college,
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he was coming into the NBA.
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the ball offensively to where you can
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him as a forward and take him
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the other thing there is, even
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secondary space and to actually use him
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you run into these issues. And
so I think this. I know I'd

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slotted this later in the podcast,
but where do you sort of land then,

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like how invested are you in Mark
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he is extension eligible at the end
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played well, And I've gotten shit
on this podcast. We've gotten shit on

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this podcast because we suggest like guards
who can shoot as like targets that the

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mat like ideally would be like a
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ball handling guards who could get the
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guard of the future in markl Folts. I think he's a very good NBA

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player now, he shot like fifty
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gets to the rim, He's fantastic
his size defensively, I think he has

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a great feel in the lane for
he's got a lot better at not picking

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up his dribble as well. I
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the person who's your first or even
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Franz and there's Paolo, so you
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the one point five, the two, you need to have a lot more

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spacing around him. And now you
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just wondering if it's gonna come to
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does this manifest in like, oh, is Mark elf Folds even on this

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team by twenty four twenty five?
So just where are you on the like

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how much of a believer are you
and Mark elf Folds driving? And again,

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like a really good offense, not
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year. Yeah, well we gotta
take a week and get right now,

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Dan No, I mean I'm extremely
high on Mark el Folds I love the

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way he plays the game. It's
a beautiful game of basketball that he plays,

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and it's a unique game of basketball
that he plays. You're right,

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he's shot, for the first time
in his career just over thirty percent from

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beyond the arc. And teams know
that. I mean, we all the

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league knows that that's not his forte. He's not taking many three point shots,

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but they depend, right, I
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he still gets into the lane because
of the urky jerkiness to his game.

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It's it's very different and you can
see why he went number one. That's

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special. I mean he was top
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percentage in terms of how many teammates
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I love I love that. I
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can get where he wants on the
floor to his kills spots, as he

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says, the kill spots. He
loves the elbows. And so he's been

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you know, rebuilding his shot that
thoracic the nerve outlet syndrome that he had

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for a while. You could see
the shot was really odd for years.

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And now his mid range shot looks
really good. It's a high release,

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and he still had the weird push
shot year for most of the year from

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behind the arc, which was so
odd to me. He's shooting beautifully from

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eighteen feet but then he steps out
a little wise and he has this weird

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push shot. But at the end
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on the mid range shot was the
same as from beyond the arc. So

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you know, that's just here conspiracy
number two. All right, there they

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go on that. Mark cal Foltz's
shot is now fixed, ladies and gentlemen,

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and he's going to be coming out
now. I mean that's a little

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hyperbolic, but there's potential to be
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That's all I'm saying. He's averaging
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assist, rebound, steals, field
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his effective field goal percentage has gone
up every year since he's been in the

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league. It's it's tough because he
is Dan, He's he has the intangibles,

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like there's nothing that I can really
point to. All those statistics I

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said are nice, but he's the
leader of the team. We have Paula

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Ben Carroll, we have Franz Wagner, and at the end of the game,

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Mosley puts the ball in mark El
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He came through numerous times in the
clutch for us, even when he'd make

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a mistake. He's that type of
guy that he gets a turnover, but

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then he gets a steal and he
makes it right. He just has a

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winning a winning personality, and his
defense doesn't get talked about enough. In

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my opinion, he's the top ten
and steals per game amongst guards who played

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at least sixty games. So really, I mean you talked about the extension.

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I would love to have him extended
for you know, at least three

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years. Can we get a you
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plus or something like that, which
was his previous contract. That would be

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comfortable for me. That would you
know, that X contract would expire around

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when Polo's new contract was needed,
and then when Anthony Black's rookie contract was

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up. So that would give you
that that precipice that you're talking about when

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it's all coming to a head.
I don't think it comes to a head

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this year. Mark El Folts is
the guy. He's gonna have the keys,

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but you're absolutely right, something's gotta
give somewhere. He's got to become

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a better shooter. Or you know, Anthony Black, who we're just talking

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about, could be the guy that
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I don't know, I'm really interested
that, or Anthony Black might be a

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trade piece for them when they actually
do look to consolidate. And if you

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ask me to choose right now,
I'm choosing mark El Faults like I want

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to keep faults if I'm Orlando.
It's not even close. And in the

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intern, which I did not mention, like they can stagger these two,

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especially when Black is a rookie.
It just really comes down to when I

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look at this roster, if mark
El Folts is going to be the floor

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general for an elite offense, I
just don't see like a pathway to Anthony

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Black being a member, like a
really critical member of the rotation. So

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you don't want to get to a
point where you have to stagger guys so

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rigidly, like you don't want to
have to put that thought in the other

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rookie that they're gonna have coming in
Jet Howard. Do you have any early

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impressions of him and how he's gonna
fit. And look, he's someone who,

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for everything I know about him,
would be pretty crucial to eying all

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this stuff that we're talking about on
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more spacing. I mean, definitely, he's got a killer mentality. I

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mean I haven't watched too much of
him besides what we saw and whenever I

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was just under the impression that he
was like basically like a six five guard

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and then I remember seeing him like, no, this dude's a monster.

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He's big. Yeah, I mean
he's gonna probably be. You would think

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he'd be coming in in the backup
three role right now, backing up France,

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and that we need shooting and if
he can do it. He didn't

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really come through. His numbers weren't
great from some a league, but as

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I said, he ain't shot,
he ain't shot a shooting and we need

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some more guys on the team like
that. I think Magic fans we're gonna

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be really excited to see him play. And he brings a lot more you

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know, movement than say, at
Caleb Houston, who we may or may

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may not talk about later. We
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He's pretty much like a stationary shooter
guy. There is about the same size

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as Jet Howard, plays about the
same position, and I think that's you

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know who, Jet Howard. Those
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is going to have to put up
our shut up this year because Jet Howard

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obviously much more high profile draft pick, and he just brings a little bit

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more off the dribble. He had
the ball in his hands end up some

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games in summer league, whatever that
is. But I like what I see.

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He has some of that Cole Anthony
dog in him where you know Cole

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Anthony again, not afraid to shoot
it. You can't, you know,

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I hate and that's why it was
so frustrating to see Anthony batt Black passing

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up open looks. You're not going
to see that from Jet. Kenny played

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defensively and keep himself on the floor
and in the rotation. We'll see.

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But he's another Michigan guy. Call
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the Orlando Wolverines, whatever have you, because we've got a slew of the

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guys on our team and whatever you
want to make fun of that. Those

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guys come in and they know how
to play. So Juan Howard's doing something

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right over there in Michigan. So
now we got his son, I'm excited

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to see him play. Really,
he's actually I thinkgain I love Anthony Black

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was one of my favorite projects coming
in to the draft. I really hope

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they unleash Jet Howard though, just
because of what their offense needs. And

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I think that when you kind of
look at this team the way that they're

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built for a team that's so good
defensively, they don't have a lot of

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just like pure wing types. I
don't even know if that's Jet Howard,

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but there's my point would be,
there's minutes available, like if you're can

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play wing minutes, and so I
would really like to see him. Give

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him some runway to see what he's
gonna be able to give you on offense,

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because even if he's not hitting threes, the types of threes he can

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get off So the difficulty and then
coupled with the volume, that just opens

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up your offense for we talk like
we're gonna talk about Palo in a second,

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how good that dude is. When
he's gonna get into the lame things

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he could do around the basket.
Imagine what he could do if there's just

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more space than he had last year. And so I'm hoping we get to

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see more of Jet Howard than I
think they were actually gonna get to see.

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Yeah, and I think he'll be
on that second unit, You'll be

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He'll be playing with guys like you
know, Moritz Wagner and probably Franz will

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be on the court with him sometimes
times, and then Cole Anthony and Anthony

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Black. The score needs to come
from somewhere, and I think he's gonna

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see some open shots. He's gonna
have his opportunities, and hopefully the young

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man knocks him down, because Lord
knows we need some shooting. As you

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said, so so Pala bank Caro. As I wrote, the outline is

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hashtag Thatt dude. That's just been
that's been established ten times over. And

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so along those lines, I have
three there's a three pronged question or segment

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whenever you want to call it on
bank Row. Let's start here. What

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impressed you or surprised you the most
about him as a rookie. I think

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what impressed me the most and what
we've been yearning I've been yearning for in

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the Orlando Magic. In this NBA
game that we have nowadays, he's getting

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to the line. Man, he's
getting to the Charity stripe. Seven point

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four free throw a tempts for a
game that's eleventh in the league. For

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a rookie and Magic fans, we
haven't had a guy like that that that

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gets those free buckets on a regular
nightly basis and in the NBA that wins

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you basketball games. So it may
not be the prettiest all the time,

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but man, is it good to
have a guy like that, like that

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gets the calls, that draws the
contact, that gets to the line.

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It was just a breath of fresh
air. I was ecstatic to have that

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type of dude. I mean,
you can't really matching Lebron, you know,

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forty twenty point games as a rookie, matching this guy called Magic Johnson

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and Larry Bird only rookie to achieve
six hundred points, two hundred rebounds,

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one hundred and twenty assists in his
first thirty one games. The guy's a

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Swiss Army Knights. He does it
all. The thing that I love most

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about him is he's a humble superstar, at least right now. He always

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says the right thing. He gets
excited about getting his teammates involved, and

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I get excited about having this guy
in a magic uniform, hopefully for a

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very long time. I'm not even
going to mention the possibility of a team

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on the West coast that you know, in the in the Pacific Northwest region,

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that's not happening. It doesn't exist. I'm not going to think about

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it. I mean, that's even
stuff like that, if people start talking

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about someone entering their sophomore year leaving, when that's like, we gotta we

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gotta pump the brakes on on that
one. Out of the free throw stuff

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is incredible, and just like when
you look at the rookies who average like

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twenty five plus points and I think
it was ten plus free throws per one

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hundred possessions, it's like Polo and
a bunch of dudes who are going to

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make the Hall of Fame. And
so that's a pretty big harbinger. I

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was actually pretty impressed with his defense. I think he's a lot more I

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don't think the word would be I
don't want to throw switchable out. There

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was a lot more versatile and much
less of a liability, not just by

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what I was expecting from Polo Bangko, what I knew about his standards,

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but just like from a rookies standards. And so i'll have someone positionally who

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I think when you watch him,
okay, like he's not gonna they're gonna

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have to move him around a little
bit. The fact that he can be

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moved around and that you can envision
scenarios because he's also good enough rebounder.

407
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,880
He's strong where they really want to
get to additional small ball five looks where

408
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,599
it won't be Joe Ingles at the
five, as we clarified earlier, it'd

409
00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:02,519
be narrow at the five, like
you can do that. And so I

410
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:07,599
think he gives you a lot more
optionality on the defensive end than people credit.

411
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,680
And even if you're gonna play him
lower, stash him on like a

412
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,359
lower usage wing, again, just
his rebounding, there's gonna be the benefit

413
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,359
of that. So he knows you're
gonna try and hide him on somebody,

414
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,160
you're still doing yourself a service by
hey, we're gonna ensure that once that

415
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,480
shot goes up, he'll be someone
who can end the possession and there's value

416
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,319
in that too. Yeah, I
agree a thousand percent. I mean all

417
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,359
the ship that was talked about him
was about his defense coming in. I

418
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,200
mean people, there was also let
me get the conspiracy shades out one more

419
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,599
time. The sweat thing. There
was like the sweat he sweats too much

420
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:38,440
story, I don't know. There
was that, and there was that he

421
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:44,119
can't play defense, but you're right, he showed that he's extremely switchable and

422
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,160
feeble. World Cup rest in peace
or usas lost to the loss to the

423
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,279
Gentlemans. We'll talk about Franz Wagner
in a moment, not yet, though

424
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,799
he saw he played the five like
he there were very few minutes that he

425
00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:02,720
played the Orlando Magic at the five
on a smaller five. It worked in

426
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:06,240
FIBA, it worked at times.
I mean he destroyed New Zealand those poor

427
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:11,319
guys. But he showed that he's
also can switch out onto smaller guards and

428
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:15,400
you're right, he can handle himself. And that's huge in a Coach Mosley

429
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,720
defense and an Orlando Magic team that
loves their length, and Coach Mosley loved

430
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:25,440
playing the zone and switching on defense, so those are the two things he

431
00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:29,680
really loved to do. All that
switchability, and Paula Ben Carroll can do

432
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,680
that. So that's great to have
in your superstar. We might have just

433
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,640
covered it. But what's like the
biggest part of the Palo experience that doesn't

434
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,079
get enough national attention. I think
it's free throws received plenty of national attention.

435
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,920
I think I think is his passing
really Like three point seven three point

436
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,200
seven assists doesn't necessarily jump off the
screen, but for a guy who's an

437
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,000
elite scorer as well, I mean, some of the passes that he made

438
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,400
were just spectacular. I mean,
you didn't see him from a guy that

439
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:07,119
size and his handle. He's just
so he's like a freaking ballerina out there

440
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,319
at six ten or he's coming down
the lane. He's two hundred fifty ish

441
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,480
pounds. I mean, Doris Burke
goes crazy for the guy's frame. And

442
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:18,599
add on to that the soft touch
and the court vision and the fact that

443
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:25,000
I said earlier that he loves that, like he really genuinely enjoys it.

444
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,640
He's not just out there to get
his own he wants to pass the ball,

445
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,039
he wants to get guys involved.
And I think as he continues to

446
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:36,240
grow as a scorer. We're gonna
see him, you know, managing double

447
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:40,640
teams even better hitting guys. And
I can see that number ticking up a

448
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,079
little bit as he continues on,
and I'm just you know, it's it's

449
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:47,920
great to see in your superstar that
he loves to distribute that much. He's

450
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,480
not a selfish, I first guy, and you can see that in the

451
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,559
way that he passes the ball.
Yeah, I think he's got to get

452
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,680
quicker passing out of some of the
double teams, but he was making complicated

453
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,359
passes in those situations. And I
think the bigger thing, too, is

454
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,440
if they can get to a point
where they're consistently surrounding him with more spacing,

455
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:08,240
He's going to devastate guys running off
the baseline or even just finding those

456
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:11,359
corner three point shooters. And that's
what I'm really excited for. And so

457
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,200
I would think, look, right
now, mark el Folts is their best

458
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,519
facilitator. We jump ahead. Anthony
Black is still on this team. Mark

459
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:21,319
El Folts is still on this team. In a couple of years, I

460
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:25,200
fully expect Palaban Carrol might become their
best pastor. I'm so high on his

461
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:29,119
passing that it's not even it's probably
not even funny. It's probably I'm so

462
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,559
high on it that it's probably erroneous
that it's it's probably a bad omen for

463
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,119
his future. And I just some
of the passes he tried, and like

464
00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:40,039
I said, the reaction time in
some of those situations, it's gonna get

465
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:44,319
quicker. He was a rookie and
so I'm I think that's the part of

466
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:48,759
his game that I'm surprised we haven't
heard more about when even the spotlight's on

467
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,240
the magic is just because this is
someone who I think can drive your entire

468
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:56,440
offense, and they didn't even really
put him in that situation as much as

469
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,519
you would think as like friends,
well, I wanna ran more picking Rolls

470
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,440
last year per game, then Palaway
Carroll did it. Really, this is

471
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:07,720
someone who is like, there's room
for him to do even more as a

472
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,000
playmaker, and I think he's going
to eat up that room at some point

473
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:17,640
because he's that good. From from
your from your lips, the God's ear,

474
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:18,799
sir, I'm gonna have to pass
these shades over to you. I

475
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,960
don't know he's gonna be the best
over Markuel, I see, I'm just

476
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,160
a Mark l Fuld stand. I
don't know what I mean, that was

477
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,319
a little much. What's the one
thing about him in year two, whether

478
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,079
it's something he needs to improve upon
or you want to see him add that

479
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,359
you're going to be watching most closely
for I mean it's probably a little bit

480
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,039
cliche, but his efficiency, and
he's just got to get a little bit

481
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:42,680
better with his shot selection. Sometimes
he was forcing shots when, as you

482
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:45,319
said, he could have been passing
out, you know, forcing through a

483
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:49,000
double team, things like that.
But forty six point five percent effective field

484
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,640
goal percentage that was bottom ten percent
in the league for forwards as a rookie.

485
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:59,480
Hey, that's okay, but if
you're really gonna make that superstar jump,

486
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:01,720
that needs to you know, he
needs to get to his spots more

487
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:06,799
effectively. He loves he loves running
the horn. We love running the horn

488
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,680
set with him so that he can
operate from the elbow, especially the right

489
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:14,000
elbow. So I expect him to
be able to get to those spots more

490
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,519
effectively. And I want to see
that tick up. What about you or

491
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:20,200
what are you most excited for a
second year? I think so it's gonna

492
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,920
be I'll be watching his passing more
and I'm gonna be looking at the volume

493
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,920
of like, okay, well,
like what's he doing as an initiator.

494
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,240
It's not just about picking rolls,
but I want to see that go up

495
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,920
and then the other thing. I
mean, it's pretty basic, but I

496
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,880
think it's a pretty big deal.
Is I want to see the three point

497
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,240
attempts, Like those gotta come up. I don't even necessarily I care about

498
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,880
the percentage, don't get me wrong, Like four point two per thirty six

499
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,200
minutes is just not enough right now. And he went through pockets of time

500
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:47,160
where he shot well enough from three
for long enough that it's, hey,

501
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,759
just jack up that volume and if
you're at thirty two percent, will live

502
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:54,319
with it, because that puts pressure
on defenses and ways. I still don't

503
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:59,000
think people fully appreciate. And I
always come back to he's a better shooter

504
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:02,079
now, but he's still not great
Marcus smart, Like he's reined in it

505
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,920
off the dribble attempts, but like
even when he was taking too many of

506
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,319
those, the fact that he's willing
to take six seven plus three pointers per

507
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:14,160
thirty six minutes that puts pressure on
the way defense is scramble and if you

508
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,039
can hit them even he's look,
he shot. He had one good three

509
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:21,440
point shooting season. I think Mark
Marcus Smart did. If you look at

510
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,880
the difference between how defenses guard him
versus how they'll guard Dylan Brooks or someone

511
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,599
from beyond the arc or even Mark
el Faults right now, like it,

512
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,799
it can be night and day,
and so I just want to see that

513
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,599
number come up from And it's it's
a cliche, but I think in his

514
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:39,160
case, every other part of his
game is already so dynamic and the skeleton

515
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,960
of effectiveness is just there that it's
it's okay to say, yeah, just

516
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000
get those get those three point attempts
up, right, it only takes one.

517
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:51,279
It only takes one. You're absolutely
right. Just just make the defenses

518
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:52,759
think about it. And I guess
the other thing I really want to see

519
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,799
from him is the free throw percentage
come up a little bit. I mean

520
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,799
seventy three. I did the math
before we got on here that he left.

521
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,480
I mean, assuming he would have
shot one hundred percent from the line,

522
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,200
which is absurd, he left one
hundred and thirty four points out there.

523
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,559
I want to see him like,
let's get up, Let's get that

524
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:14,480
up. Paulo we we just we
just appraised you for how fantastic you are

525
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:16,880
at getting to the line, how
historic you are at getting to the line

526
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,119
effect. But if you're only making
seventy percent of those attempts, it doesn't

527
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,800
help the team as much as it
could. So that's really what I'm hoping

528
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,920
for as well in his second year. It would be nice just from one

529
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,320
area, whether it's the free throw
line, he's finishing at the rim,

530
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,280
which was I think was largely fine, there's three point shooting, mid range,

531
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,840
whatever. I just want him to
have like elite efficiency from what they's

532
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,960
like, oh eighty seven percent at
the foul line or oh Palo shot seventy

533
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,679
percent at the rim, or oh
Palo shot like you know, I don't

534
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,599
know, like forty nine percent on
like push shots or something like. I

535
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:54,559
just want him to have one of
those this like one area where you point,

536
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:58,880
you're like, oh okay, like
just lights out in that area and

537
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,039
that will get him to you know, twenty five twenty six points a game

538
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:05,119
if he gets if he gets there
in one of those areas, I think,

539
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:08,000
yeah, I mean, if he's
hitting like we should have done the

540
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,000
math, and if he shot like
eighty three to eighty five percent at the

541
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,400
foul line, which is high,
but it's not unreasonable like that that would

542
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,320
be something that could be a complete
game changer. On top of you have

543
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,400
to assume he's going to prove his
efficiency just from areas of the floor in

544
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,800
general, even if it's okay,
not elite, it's oh, he shot

545
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,920
better than thirty percent from three,
and he shot better than thirty eight percent

546
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,000
between three and ten feet or whatever
it was last season. So still incredibly

547
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:36,320
high on him. And that's just
I don't think he gets forgotten about.

548
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,519
But like when you see a lot
of conversations about I want to start a

549
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:43,159
team with a player twenty three and
under or twenty five and under, he

550
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,360
invariably always appears too low. I
think, including on our list that we

551
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,039
made earlier this summer, I had
him. I think it was number five

552
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:52,559
on my big board, and I
was too much of a coward to pick

553
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,679
him until it was like seven or
eight or something, and I walked around

554
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,639
like, yeah, even that was
probably too low. Magic fans actually pretty

555
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:05,039
bad about it, you Breakfastard Dan. Now I'm interested on your take on

556
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,559
this because Magic fans we've been talking
a little bit about this him playing with

557
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:10,960
Team USA this summer. We're talking
about the areas that we want him to

558
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:15,599
improve, and yet he's been used
as a five, and a lot of

559
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,960
there was there was a little bit
of a civil war within the Orlando Magic

560
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,440
community about does it should he play
for Italy and have the team around him

561
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,360
where he gets to just be the
guy and get get going to that or

562
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:30,159
with Team USA, where we just
saw he averaged you know, nine points.

563
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,320
Thank goodness, he was backing up
Triple J, who gets in foul

564
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,760
trouble like no one I've ever seen. So he got he got some decent

565
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,480
minutes. But again it was at
the five. It was he was an

566
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:43,039
ancillary piece. He was a second
thought. He was a third thought on

567
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:47,000
offense. Do you think that how
do you perceive that move from him?

568
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:50,840
Is there any impact for you?
Or are you worried about that at all?

569
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:57,559
So here's here's my blunt take.
I cannot bring myself to care about

570
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:02,280
what happens for these players in feed
and I'll point to look at some of

571
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,960
the icons or better yet, remember
Olympics, Mellow that was never gonna They

572
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,320
tried it a little bit as he
got older, at the NBA. It

573
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:14,000
never worked that way. You're just
dealing with such a scale of talent on

574
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,519
Tmusa, even when they're not thrown
out there a plus plus squad. I

575
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:20,800
just can't bring myself they care,
even though I would like to see him

576
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,920
play more five, but the fact
that he played five for like, I

577
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:28,199
read more into what I'm gonna see
in Summer League than what I'm gonna see

578
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,840
from Tmusa, just because the collection
of star talent, even on the worst

579
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:36,360
team is such that it makes brandon
Ingram It's, oh, like brandon Ingram

580
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,960
can't be a complimentary player, always
needs to have the ball in his hands.

581
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,119
It's like, all right, but
like this is a pretty specific circumstance

582
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:45,559
where he's playing off all these other
dudes and Tmusa doesn't really even have like

583
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:50,320
a true big aside from where they
have Walker Kessler follow and Triple J who's

584
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,920
not. He's like really kind of
a four at this point. So I

585
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:57,320
can't bring myself to have an opinion. He's where he wanted to be,

586
00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:00,800
and I think that's all that's all
that matters. Would you expect the magic

587
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,679
though, too? Maybe test out
more Paula with the five this year.

588
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,440
That's been talked a lot and debated. After the New Zealand game, We're

589
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,920
like, yeah, playing with the
five, sure, but I just don't

590
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,079
I don't really see it, to
be honest with you, Dan, like

591
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,840
very specific circumstances, Am I am
I confident that he could bang with like

592
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,400
a chet Homegren style five. Sure, But in terms of if they're trotting

593
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,360
out, even like a guy like
Thomas Bryan, it's not a great center

594
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,519
or anything. Just a center,
a seven foot center. Paula is going

595
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:35,519
to struggle with that. I mean, it's not going to be easy unless

596
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,440
you're putting him. Unless he's not
really playing the defensive five, and he's

597
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:44,199
playing next to like Jonathan Isaac,
who playing against next Jonathan Isaac. That's

598
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,800
a that's a whole other that's a
hilarity I should put on the right now,

599
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,039
exactly exactly now. But your point
is well taken. We shouldn't read

600
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:53,840
too much into FIBA. You don't
need to tell us magic fans about this.

601
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,679
We saw Evan Fournier go light the
world on fire every Olympics and at

602
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,760
FEBA and we're like, Okay,
this is the year he's gonna come back

603
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,639
as the number one score here he
comes. Oh yeah, Evan Fortyer just

604
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,760
won the silver or the gold.
Oh no, he's just the same,

605
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:15,719
Okay, damn yeah. So the
Palo the Palace stuff with that, Like

606
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:22,199
I said, I can't bring myself
to care there. But Franz Wagner already

607
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:27,599
sort of this every level score.
Probably an underrated passer at this point,

608
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:30,039
probably even an underrated defender at this
point. What is the next front tier

609
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:38,559
as we get into year three of
the Franz Wagner experience. Yo, So

610
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,880
the big, the big progress I'm
looking for with Franz. I mean he's

611
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:49,400
already let's let's let's give praise.
I mean, he did just defeat Team

612
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,400
USA twenty two points. We love
as the German Vonda kid. He is

613
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:58,039
so great. We love him on
the magic. There's just nothing he can't

614
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:02,159
do. The next frontier we saw
from his sophomore campaign eighteen and a half

615
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:07,480
four four rebounds, four point one
rebounds, three and a half assists.

616
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,119
I think the next frontier for him
is a fifty forty ninety guy. I

617
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:15,719
mean he's shot forty eight and a
half percent from the field, thirty six

618
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,119
point five or three, So I
guess that's that's the leap that he would

619
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:23,639
have to take an eighty four percent
from from the line. So we love

620
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:28,760
us from Franz Wagner. He's an
iron man. He played seventy nine games

621
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,480
and then eighty games. He has
it off the glass both ways. The

622
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:37,000
euro steps through the lane are just
dangerous, and you gotta keep sharp objects

623
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:40,880
away from Franz Wagner because the man
loves to cut. He's cerebral. He

624
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,800
doesn't need the ball in his hands
to be effective and to score buckets.

625
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:51,400
So I think continue to tick up
in that three point shot, get that

626
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,639
thirty six point five percent up a
little bit, and then the other one

627
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,480
is is getting some more respecting getting
to the line a little bit more.

628
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:01,239
If we can have as we already
said, Paulo's getting to the line seven

629
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,239
and a half times. If that
goes up, and now Franz is getting

630
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,760
some more respect and getting to the
line, I think that's when he starts

631
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,559
to become I mean, he just
had just shy at twenty points this year,

632
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,000
So some more opportunities at the charity
stripe could could do wonders for the

633
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:22,039
for the Wonder Kid, what you
wax poetic now on Franz Wagner, if

634
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:23,639
you would, because I just love
to hear it. I don't know if

635
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:27,239
I have anything to add to what
you say. The thing I'll be watching

636
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,320
for with him that I think really
would sort of take him to another echelon

637
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,760
of player when you're kind of looking
at what he's doing on the ball,

638
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,800
and he can do stuff in the
lane, but he seems to get a

639
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,440
little hesitant when he sees multiple bodies
coming at him, and then he'll be

640
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:46,280
prone to turnovers or he thinks he's
faster than the guy or guys who were

641
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,000
in front of him, then realizes
he's not and that results in a turnover

642
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,920
or not the best decision. And
so I don't even know if I'm looking

643
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,760
for. Is it more poised,
is it tightening up some of the handles

644
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,559
in traffic. But we've also see
him do okay in that scenario, I

645
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,360
think, and not to step on
the toes of what I said with Palo,

646
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,360
he probably has another gear as a
pastor here because of some of the

647
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,679
possessions he's left on the table.
We're just watching him where it feels like,

648
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:15,840
okay, I wish he was just
being more decisive or understood his matchup

649
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,639
better, or the defense that was
coming at him better. Again, it

650
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,559
was just a sophomore. I expect
him to get better at that and the

651
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:24,559
other thing. You'll hear me say
it probably ten more times this podcast as

652
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:28,800
the spacing around him improves. I
think some of this stuff takes care of

653
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,920
itself, but for some of the
on ball you said she was saddled with.

654
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,239
I would like to see the turnover
rate, specifically in pick and roll

655
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,960
scenarios. I think he was at
like seventeen plus percent he turned the ball

656
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,239
over and picking rolls last year.
That's just a little high for the caliber

657
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,440
of player and even pass her to
me that he is. And so that's

658
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,119
what I'm gonna be sort of looking
at it. It's like, maybe that's

659
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:52,039
too like nitty gritty of like it
doesn't really take his game to the next

660
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:55,320
level or something. But he's already
done so much that it's time to start

661
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,960
probably nitpicking. Yeah, no,
that's a fair point. I'd be interested

662
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:02,599
to dive a little bit more into
those those pick and roll numbers and see

663
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,480
when in the season they came,
because he, I mean, the beginning

664
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:12,679
of our season when we were five
and twenty. Markel Foltz was down,

665
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:16,079
Cole Anthony was down for a little
bit, Jalen Suggs was nicked up.

666
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:22,280
We were running Point France in Orlando, so that was trial by fire for

667
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,800
him and a lot of the turn
He had a lot of turnovers early in

668
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,400
the year, so that may skew
some of his season long numbers, but

669
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,639
I think it was a great learning
opportunity for him. He'll probably never be

670
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,920
in that situation again where he's running
Point I hope not again. That would

671
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,519
be you know, want him to
be like, no, you want him

672
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:44,800
to be like a secondary turn exactly
exactly. And and he got. He

673
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,280
got the trial by fire, as
I said, being that primary ball hander,

674
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,039
and I think it only met him
made him better at the role that

675
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:54,960
he suited for, which is that
secondary ball handler, playmaker coming out of

676
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:59,400
a you know, coming around on
a pick and roll. And so that

677
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,199
I just I'm excited. I'm so
ecstatic to have these two guys. I

678
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,039
mean, we got the forward positions
locked up for years to come, hopefully

679
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:10,360
here in Orlando. And they just
compliment each other so very well. So

680
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,840
we we love the wonder kid it's
him having him and more. It's two

681
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,360
is something very unique to having the
brothers together more. It's also got to

682
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,480
contract this offseason with a little bit
of a Fronz bump. We think here

683
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:27,239
in the Magic community, he got
he got a little bit of that Fronz

684
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,960
bump on his U and its influence. Now that's what yea there, And

685
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,519
I'm not taking shots at Tanasis here, Like mo Vogner played like a real

686
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,840
role for last year. It's like
they're not really comfortable. You're that's a

687
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:47,920
very accurate point. Yes, So
I am a Jaalen Sucks believer. So

688
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,880
I'm gonna preface it with this,
So don't don't let that effect. Don't

689
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:53,960
don't let my feelings affect what you're
gonna say. Where are you at with

690
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,639
Jalen Sucks? I'm with you,
I'm with you. I mean, I'm

691
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,800
this is this is Homer behavior here
they're getting ladies and gentlemen. But what

692
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,679
else am I to do? I
think Jalen Suggs came into the league with

693
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:13,960
superior expectations and we all thought he
was going to be the franchise guy now

694
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:15,400
and then all of a sudden,
this guy Franz Wagner, who you know.

695
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:17,519
On draft night, we're kind of
just like scratching our heads, like,

696
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:22,440
who the hell is a Franz Wagner? And Jalen had a very irky,

697
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,599
jerky start. I think the way
that he plays has been a double

698
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:30,800
edged sword for him in the NBA. What makes him so great is he's

699
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,440
got that dog in him. He
has one gear. It's one hundred thousand

700
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,880
percent. He just goes hard all
the time. But you know the other

701
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,199
side of that coin was that he
was getting nicked up everywhere all the time.

702
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,320
I think this, and I believe
I'm correct on this. This is

703
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,960
his first healthy offseason. He got
injured in the summer league. I believe

704
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:53,480
his first year he got a thumb
that hampered him into the beginning of his

705
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:57,519
year, and then he got nicked
up a couple other times going hard to

706
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,199
the hole. And last year he
had ankle searcher. So this is his

707
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:07,159
first fully healthy year, and we've
seen the effective field goal percentage, the

708
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,400
two point shooting, the three point
shooting, they all went up significantly.

709
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:15,880
He's top ten percent point two percent
from three over his final thirty games.

710
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,880
I think like that was a real, that's a real number. I have

711
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:22,320
that statistic on my screen, Dan, so I'll do yes, I'm three

712
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:28,000
point six attempts per game. I'll
let you know. So we're we're taking

713
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,400
heart in that the shot looks great, like it's well balanced. It always

714
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,400
looked pretty damn good. So I
have faith in the shot. And as

715
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,599
you said again, thirty seven and
a half percent. I had you said

716
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:42,760
thirty eight. Will go with that
one because it's higher over his last thirty

717
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,639
games. Small sample size, but
the shot looks there, and he hits

718
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:51,199
some big shots. I mean,
he hit a couple of game winners last

719
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,440
year. So again, top ten
percent amongst guards in steel percentage, block

720
00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:00,639
percentage, offensive rebounding percentage. So
he dog, he's a fighter, he's

721
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:05,960
a competitor. He's my choice to
be our starting two guard next year.

722
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,280
I think I don't even think that's
hot. I think he usurps Gary Harris

723
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:14,280
as the two guarden. Again,
I don't even think that's hot because he

724
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,360
was in our final. He was
in our ending lineups, which are far

725
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,079
more important than your starting lineups.
He was in the ending lineups for coach

726
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:25,719
Moseley at the end of the year
and when Jalen excelled those last thirty games,

727
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,960
those last forty games second half of
the season, that's when our whole

728
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,639
team was getting healthy and he was
settling into a role. We've learned that

729
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,320
Jalen Suggs, I think he's not
a point guard in the NBA, is

730
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,760
a secondary ball handler. He's a
shooting guard. You know, if you

731
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,000
get him downhill to the to the
hoop, that's what we want. That's

732
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:50,920
great, But he showed some really
high upside in my opinion, from beyond

733
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,719
the arc, and again, first
healthy offseason, I am really really excited

734
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,320
to see the version of Jalen Suggs
that we see this year. I think

735
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,239
you're absolutely onto something. Dah Yeah, And I think they're they've kind of

736
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,639
gradually just found the role and the
personnel around him, even though it's not

737
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,880
perfect from a spacing perspective, it's
going to force him into basically being this

738
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,199
three in D type of player for
the most part, who can do a

739
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:15,960
little bit on the ball, but
you don't want to see too much of

740
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,960
it, maybe in certain units.
The starting question with him is interesting just

741
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:25,599
because I guess getting him away from
Anthony Black might make a lot of sense.

742
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:30,239
Having Gary Harris come off the bench, It's yeah, that's wow,

743
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,480
We're I mean, we're gonna get
into the rotations. That's that's a good

744
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:35,920
conundrum to have. I didn't,
you know, I didn't build him as

745
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,679
a starter. I assume they would
just go to Harris there. I'm hoping

746
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,320
the three point volume ticks up.
But I think the thing that really he

747
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,480
does not receive enough credit for it
because we focus so much on offense.

748
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,000
It's not just that he's good defensively, is that he's good defensively while taking

749
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:54,159
on these assignments that can make you
look bad defensible where it's like, hey,

750
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:59,400
you go Chase Donovan Mitchell or you
go Chase Tyry's Haliburton, and like

751
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,039
he's hand those types of assignments,
and I think that's a really big deal.

752
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:07,800
And so I'm hoping that as he
finds more of an offensive like niche

753
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,199
that this will help him. You
know, the ship has probably sailed on

754
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:15,719
will he beat this megastar? We
know better, but I feel I look

755
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:21,000
at him and I see the outline
of just a really impactful NBA player,

756
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,840
and I think it's just a matter
of finding that happy medium on offense,

757
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,719
not just with his usage and function, but of how that meshes with the

758
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,400
personnel that's around him. And I
don't know if they found that balance yet,

759
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,079
but it does seem like they at
least understand what direction they need to

760
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:37,920
head in with him. Excuse me, no, I think you're right.

761
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:44,599
He's kind of finally found his spots. He's maybe not the guy that US

762
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,719
Orlando Magic fans thought he was gonna
be on Draft night, but he could

763
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,400
still be kind of, like,
you know, an all defensive player or

764
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,320
a borderline I'm not. I mean, it's too too rich. I was

765
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,159
gonna say borderline all Star. That
might be too rich. But what I

766
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:04,119
love about this in a twist way, and his kind of sporadic up and

767
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,000
down injury history so far is I'm
hoping knock on wood. I got wood

768
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:13,280
here, He's gonna stay healthy.
And then he's going into his second contract,

769
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:15,599
and then do you get more of
a bargain rate on a Jalen Suggs

770
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:21,559
go on his second deal because he
had kind of a stop and start first

771
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:24,800
contract, and all of a sudden
he's blossoming in his second contract. Because

772
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,519
that's what you need, because you
know, Paulo and Franz are going to

773
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:31,039
be max player guys, so you
need to have some guys that are on

774
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:37,679
some more reasonable deals that also flourish
and become key pieces. And I'm hoping

775
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,119
Jalen Suggs can continue to be a
well kept secret and that not too many

776
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:45,599
folks around the league get onto him
here in this season, because then he's

777
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:49,920
gonna be up for an extension and
I hope to heck we extend him on

778
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,519
what might be a team friendly deal
and that could be huge for the team

779
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:58,320
construction moving into you know, a
year three, four, five, six

780
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,880
of this new generation of the Orlando
Magic. Now, I know the pecking

781
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:07,000
order ended up this way in part
because of injuries with the roster, including

782
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,039
basically to all three of these guys. I think, like, what is

783
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:14,719
what is the hierarchy when you're looking
at allocating minutes to Gary Harris, col

784
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,719
Anthony and Jalen Suggs right now?
Because Jalen Suggs is at the bottom of

785
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,639
that last I know he closed some
important games, but he was third in

786
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,280
minutes per game among them. I
think he I'm just curious as your thoughts

787
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:32,119
what that hierarchy looks like now,
I think that Jalen Suggs will likely play

788
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,280
more minutes per game than Cole this
year, and Markel plays the most out

789
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,280
of the lot. I just,
I just I believe that much in j

790
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,920
Jalen suggs ascension. I just think
he has more, He's got a larger

791
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:52,960
skill set, and he brings more
winning, winning, winning assets to the

792
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:55,119
team than Cole Anthony, who we
love, I mean, we absolutely love

793
00:51:55,199 --> 00:52:00,440
col Anthony in Orlando. He's he's
the he's the personality of the team and

794
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:04,039
can really light it up, be
a microwave score. He's a great six

795
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:08,519
man. What's that exactly? We
need that guy, like, get that

796
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:12,000
guy on hot mic immediately. I
don't know why he's not miked up for

797
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:16,599
every freaking game, but we need
we need like an uncensored like stream of

798
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:20,039
where like you can hear everything that's
said on the mic, though, because

799
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,199
I always wonder, I want to
know what they're cutting out. Well,

800
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,719
did do you remember that Jalen Suggs
was on a hot mic. I don't

801
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,960
know if it was last season or
two seasons ago, and he dropped the

802
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:32,800
mrfer he said, I think it
was his game winner and against the Bulls

803
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,239
and and more. It's he's like, yeah, man, more it's in

804
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,159
the locker. He just he came
up to me. Can I swear yeah.

805
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,800
He's like, he came up to
me. He says you're a bad

806
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,239
motherfucker. And he said that on
TV and and uh Dante Marcatel he was

807
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,840
interviewing him, was like, ohh
he kind of he didn't know what to

808
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,079
do and just kept it moving.
So that would be that would be good

809
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:59,840
for our team. I think Jalen
Suggs though, I think we see a

810
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,320
big ascension from him. I do
think he usurps Cole Anthony in terms of

811
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:07,559
minutes for a game and really settles
in as long as you can have consistency.

812
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:10,039
So the big bugaboo for us has
been injuries. So knock on wood,

813
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,400
we have some consistency this year and
that's where Jalen Suggs has thrived.

814
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:17,320
Now, this is a little bit
more complex than the question is going to

815
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,599
make a team because Anthony Black and
even Gary Harris can play some wing minutes.

816
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,000
But it's Cole Anthony when you're kind
of looking out, Okay, we

817
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:28,480
have faults. We have Gary Harris
who can actually play wing minutes. We

818
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:31,639
have Anthony Black. Now we are
invested in Jalen Suggs, So is he

819
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,719
the one that's most likely to get
squeezed when it comes to minutes or is

820
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,440
it going to be you know,
Black's a rookie and there's also Gary Harris

821
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:42,719
might not be sort of this long
term piece. But I look at it

822
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,639
from a if you're trying to win
games perspective, it almost feels like col

823
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:49,599
Anthony might be the guy that gets
squeezed a little bit here. Yeah,

824
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,519
it's tough because you know, prior
to drafting Anthony Black, Cole Anthony was

825
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:58,440
your second most proficient ball handler,
the guy that you trusted with the offense

826
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,440
outside of Markelle Full So I mean
he completely ran that second unit. Then

827
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:07,360
Franz would come on and do some
of the ball handling responsibilities. But you're

828
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,320
right, now that you have Anthony
Black, you feel you have a capable

829
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:16,159
guy to run your second unit Cole
Anthony's skill set while we need shooting desperately.

830
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,800
So I'm not happy to let you
know, a proficient ball handler and

831
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,920
a guy who can run your offense
and one of our better shooters walk out

832
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:30,079
the door. But if if he
doesn't where are the minutes coming from.

833
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,800
It has to come from somewhere.
I could only think of Gary Harris right

834
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:37,679
he gets injured. He's been injured
a fair amount throughout his career, so

835
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:43,239
there's that like, and our our
point guard room has been nicked up quite

836
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,039
a bit, and we don't want
to bank on injuries. But I think

837
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:49,920
we see We've been talking about this
in the Magic community for it seems like

838
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,039
every year for the last few years. But Gary Harris being traded at the

839
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:55,559
trade deadline or being moved, you
know, it's like that has been the

840
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:58,880
piece that we're like, yeah,
we're gonna move him and get something.

841
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,280
It's that happens every year. It
feels the most real now though, because

842
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,400
we really do have this log jam
coming to a head, as you've been

843
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,280
remarking on, and we'll see what
happens. I'm really interested to see what

844
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,800
happens with Cole. I think it's
going to break people's hearts or a Magic

845
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,119
fans hearts to see him leave.
So we're hoping he comes back. But

846
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:20,480
if he does wear the minutes,
it's something's got a gift, Dan,

847
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:24,440
something's gotta give to that end.
Who's more likely to get an extension before

848
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:31,119
the season starts, Cole Anthony or
Mark el Faults. M Well, what's

849
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:35,039
interesting is, I think when you're
looking at the importance of this is from

850
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:37,119
my perspective of it, when you're
looking at the importance of the players,

851
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:40,840
you might assume that's Mark col Faults. But in my head, when you're

852
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,840
looking at the numbers, they might
be willing to accept Colanthy might be willing

853
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:50,440
to take a much team friendlier number
right now than Mark el Faults, because

854
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,519
I think of how high Faults is
stock is kind of ascended over the past

855
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:58,719
couple of years. No, that's
that's a fair point. Did I wrote

856
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,119
an article about this on early to
Magic Daily dot com, and my play

857
00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:05,519
to the front office was just try
to extend these guys, both of them

858
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,639
as soon as possible so you can
hopefully get a team friendly deal. Because

859
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:13,519
what I'm really worried about is,
as you said, the ascension of Mark

860
00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:16,159
el Folts. He goes out there
and then as all of a sudden commanding

861
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:21,679
like mid to high twenties instead of
low twenties. If he has a breakout

862
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,360
year this year and someone's looking for
a point guard and believes it can be

863
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:30,360
him. So that's that's the danger. The thing. They've both been nicked

864
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,440
up a little bit, you know, especially Mark elle Folts. He's he's

865
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:37,599
had very few healthy seasons. So
I understand if the front office isn't running

866
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:44,679
to get these guys extended, especially
if they've already had conversations and the players

867
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:49,000
parties are a med amenable to a
more team friendly deal and they're trying to

868
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:52,119
play hardball, which you never blame
them for trying to get their guy money.

869
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:55,360
But our front office has worked some
wonders with Wendell Carter, who I

870
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,880
think we're going to talk about in
a moment. So you know, I'm

871
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,039
just crossing everything I have. I'm
sleeping with the spoon under the pillow.

872
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,639
I'm doing it all. I'm putting
the underwear and the freezer, hoping that,

873
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:08,840
you know, Jeff Weltman can work
his magic again and get these guys

874
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:14,559
extended. If you're gonna ask me, I have to choose. I mean,

875
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:16,880
Mark el Foltz is more important to
this team, so it would be

876
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,440
surprising to me if Cole Anthony gets
extended first. But like you said,

877
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,400
it could be a more easily digestible
number, and so I wouldn't be it

878
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,320
wouldn't be shocked, but I would
be surprised if it was Cole Anthony.

879
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,719
First. I think Folts would is
the number one priority here. Is there

880
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,920
a version where they sort of just
kicked the can on both of them and

881
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:42,000
neither gets an extension they want to
roll their flexibility into next summer and go

882
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:46,920
from there. I think there's there's
definitely that's a possibility, but that's that's

883
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:52,880
a danger. That's a real scary
scenario for me because I think both I

884
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,719
mean, Cole's been in the lab. You all see him, He's been

885
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:59,039
working on his game. If he
continues to shoot, continue to improve his

886
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:01,400
three point shooting, it's going to
be a very valuable asset. We'll see

887
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,679
though, you know it's it might
be actually better in a way with the

888
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,400
new CBA. And I think these
you know, these contracts are getting tamped

889
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:15,519
down a little bit as teams realize
they have to be a little bit more

890
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,840
clever with what they can do in
terms of signing, you know, going

891
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,159
over the cap and especially now over
the over the second apron. So maybe

892
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,320
maybe teams are going to be a
little bit more reticent to try to go

893
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:35,760
out and outbid restricted free agents because
they will they both will have that denotion,

894
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,800
I believe. I know. Yeah, I mean that's always been and

895
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,960
I've never understood it, especially now
because I think you only have thirty six

896
00:58:42,039 --> 00:58:45,239
hours where your cap space is tied
up in the like, you have thirty

897
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,920
six hours to match. They lowered
it. So it's just like, I'm

898
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:51,840
a big fan of well, why
did no one go and offer Austin Reeves

899
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,719
the one hundred million dollars if the
Lakers match, You've tied up your cap

900
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:59,360
space for thirty six hours whatever it
is, forty eight hours and what move

901
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,800
did you miss out on? And
like so there we all love that.

902
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,280
There is a danger there. But
at least if you're the Magic, if

903
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,360
you let col Anthony roll in a
restricted free agency, you have the right

904
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:14,320
to match anything. Mark el Foltz
is a dicey er proposition because if he

905
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,159
decides he wants to leave Egan just
the lead. Yeah. Yeah, so

906
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:23,119
that's why I would say he's a
higher extension priority as well. I don't

907
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:25,800
have a question about Wendell Carter Junior, really, I do, not a

908
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,519
stylistic one, but He's a podcast
favorite of Grant and I. He also

909
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:32,599
will be for anyone who cares.
This is how steel of a contract he

910
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:37,639
is. He's gonna be making nine
point six percent of the salary cap this

911
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,840
year. Nine point six percent for
a starting center who is in that borderline

912
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,079
all star center tier on this podcast
anyway, Wow, I love it.

913
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:51,039
He considered to you or the Magic
community, if you want to go about

914
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:54,079
it that way, the third most
important, like long term core player on

915
00:59:54,159 --> 01:00:00,239
this team. When you frame it
his long term, maybe I have mark

916
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,800
ll Foltz is my third most important
player just by virtue of how the team

917
01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:09,000
turned around when he came back,
and Wendell Carter Junior was playing during that

918
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:14,920
five and twenty stretch. So in
terms of importance and impact on winning right

919
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,760
now, I would have mark Ell
above that. But you know, there's

920
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,599
a great argument for Wendell. And
the thing that about the contract that makes

921
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:25,719
it even better Dan is it's a
descending contract. So as the salary cap

922
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,599
is going up, his contracts going
down in twenty five, twenty six,

923
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:34,119
when this contract is over, I
think it's ten million dollars. So,

924
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,199
oh my god, I'm losing my
voice again. I'm coming. I apologize

925
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:42,280
to everyone. I'm coming out the
I'm on the good end of an allergy

926
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,679
cold slash lost my voice stretch.
He's gonna be six point nine point five

927
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,559
percent of the salary cap in his
final year. That's projected. That number

928
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:53,039
could actually get more favorable for the
Magic because the cap could increase by a

929
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:57,719
higher rate. That ye true,
very good point, so, I mean,

930
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,639
and that's gonna be that's the last
year of Paulo's rookie deal as well.

931
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:07,760
Franz, would you know already be
signed. He's just he's so solid

932
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,960
for us. I mean, he's
he's smart, he's very positionally he's a

933
01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:15,239
positionally great defender. He uses his
body really well. He's a good defender

934
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:19,639
and an underrated passer. That's kind
of been a theme with this team.

935
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,079
We love to share the rock.
I love taking his over on as sets.

936
01:01:23,079 --> 01:01:27,199
It's one of my favorite gambling things
to do. I just feast on

937
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,639
that at fifteen and nine, and
he has done a tremendous job of extending

938
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,760
to the three point line. I
mean, thirty five and a half percent

939
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,599
from three this year on a number
I don't know how many attempts. I

940
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:43,280
gotta I gotta get that up.
But he was at last year. He's

941
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,679
at almost four attempts a game.
You'll take that for a center, Yeah,

942
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:49,960
exactly. So I mean a team
that needs facing, that seems like

943
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,119
a valuable asset. You know,
he struggles sometimes. He's a good defensive

944
01:01:54,159 --> 01:01:58,599
rebounder. He's not a rim protector. He's not getting you offensive board.

945
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:01,960
He's not a superior rebound under At
nine rebounds from your center isn't great.

946
01:02:02,239 --> 01:02:06,320
But he's boxing out the big bodies
and you know Polo's coming in and getting

947
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,480
him, or even little Cole Anthony
comes in and gets more rebounds than a

948
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:14,400
guard his side should. But the
only knock and I guess hesitation I have

949
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:19,559
at Wendell is he's only played above
sixty games once and it was sixty one

950
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:24,599
or sixty two two years ago.
So he's been perpetually injured, whether he's

951
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,280
he's got the corner, you know, he's always you know, stuff in

952
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,599
his eye or what have you.
He has to sit, you know,

953
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:36,159
twenty games a quarter of the season
for his entire career, and some of

954
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:39,239
his years he's you know, been
out for more games than that. So

955
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:43,119
I think that's why we were able
to get him on the favorable contract for

956
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,280
him. It was a great move. I can generational wealth. Now this

957
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:50,599
is my second contract, fantastic and
we got it on a steel I think

958
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:53,039
that's probably going to be the best
contract in the league in twenty twenty five,

959
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:59,679
if it's not already. He's a
great piece. I hesitate sometimes when

960
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:05,639
he had to defend those superior centers, especially the seven footers. He struggles

961
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:08,159
to rebound the ball and that's something
as a team that we struggle with and

962
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,119
a lot of the blame rests with
your center on that rest with Wendell Carter.

963
01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:15,880
But he facilitates offense. I mean
he's a lot of times in the

964
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:20,679
pick and roll at the elbow,
handing off the ball, sets fantastic screens.

965
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,360
He definitely is a key cog to
the offense and our defense love to

966
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,199
have him. He says all the
right stuff. So I'm super high on

967
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,280
him. It is what are you? Why are you so high? It

968
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,239
seems like you're even higher on him
than I am. Can give me more

969
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,199
Wendell Carter Junior propaganda, please damn. I appreciate defensive malluability, especially in

970
01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:42,840
biggs and so while he's not that
traditional rim protector, the fact that he

971
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,119
can cover up for so many different
things if you need him too, because

972
01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:50,320
he's can be mobile on the perimeter
and he's gonna make the right decision I

973
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,039
would say ninety seven percent of the
time. I also think they don't use

974
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:58,559
him like in the post as much
because they don't need to. And I

975
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:00,199
think that's a when you look at
kind of he started, and I know

976
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,440
there was like some Jim boiling years
there that really clouded some ship up and

977
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,440
why the Bulls ended up moving him
the first place, I'm sure, But

978
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:11,519
like just when you're looking at his
screening, when you're looking at some of

979
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:15,199
the shots that he can not just
like from three, but like this is

980
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,440
someone who, yeah, he can
hit the turnarounds if you need him too,

981
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,639
but he's also gonna cut, He's
gonna move without the ball, whether

982
01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:24,360
he's actually connecting on screens or slipping
screens, and so to be that plug

983
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:29,360
in play while also stretching the floor. But then your defensive motor and execution

984
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:35,760
doesn't seem ever tied to your offensive
usage. That's just like that's so rare,

985
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,719
and I mean we kind of just
talked about it. I make,

986
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,519
we make jokes, but you have
a starting center. He's making under ten

987
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:45,079
percent of the salary cap. Like, I'm just gonna fall in love with

988
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:47,000
that. As like the team perspective, I wish Wendell Carter Jr. For

989
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:49,239
him, I wish he was making
a lot more money. But from the

990
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:54,760
magic perspective, he's just so incredibly
valuable and I think he just lets you

991
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,960
do a lot of different things where
it's okay, Palo's not the best shooter

992
01:04:58,119 --> 01:05:00,960
right now, like the fact that
you're center and above every shooter for his

993
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:04,159
position when you kind of filter out, like the actual shot types. He's

994
01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:08,840
at over thirty eight percent from three
last year on just straight catch and shoot

995
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,719
zero dribble threes. That's like,
that's a huge asset and it opens up

996
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,960
the floor and I think he's actually
it'll be he'll be even more dangerous now

997
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,840
if you're playing him routinely with another
other than Franz Wagner, like another higher

998
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,800
end shooter, where it's, oh, is he getting minutes with Jet Howard?

999
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,760
Is it getting minutes with Joe Ingles
or which, Oh, Palo shooting

1000
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,840
thirty six percent from three like that
just helps out Wendell Carter Junior a ton

1001
01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:34,119
as well because it gives him more
things that he can do. Then after

1002
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:38,079
he's setting screens, if he has
more room to operate in the lane,

1003
01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:43,960
So he's become this good and versatile
offensively operating with him like a finite amount

1004
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,599
of space in the half court.
I'm just I get what you're saying,

1005
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,239
and I will always lean towards the
guards as well. Where it's well,

1006
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,599
Mark Valls is gonna have the ball
in his hands, He's gonna be making

1007
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:56,559
more decisions, So I understand that
aspect. But he's just everything, just

1008
01:05:56,679 --> 01:06:00,039
from the contract to the versatility to
the plug and plays what he's able to

1009
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:03,400
do on offense defense. He's one
of my favorite players in the league,

1010
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,800
and I think he's probably one of
the most underrated players in the league right

1011
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:11,000
now. I would think absolutely absolutely. I mean it's just like that,

1012
01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:14,719
such a solid guy I want.
I want more big man ship from him,

1013
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,519
but that's not necessarily who he is. The versatility is the other side

1014
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:24,239
of that coin. So the switch
ability, which coach Mosley loves, You've

1015
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,679
got like all these six ten guys. He Paulo Franz they're all like six

1016
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,440
ten and they all can switch.
Now with Paulo playing some five, It'll

1017
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:36,000
be interesting to see now how he
and Wendell continue to even work better together

1018
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,079
now that Paulo's gotten a little bit
more insight into the life of a big

1019
01:06:40,159 --> 01:06:45,679
man. Yeah, he's made appreciate
a little bit. Tip. Yeah,

1020
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:51,280
he'll be coming in. So it's
at all where do Jonathan, Isaac and

1021
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:57,960
Chumo OKK factor into the longer term
outlook up this team? Next question?

1022
01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:01,960
No, all right, that was
it? No? Yeah, right,

1023
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:09,960
that's what's juicy next? You know, not really, I you would.

1024
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:15,239
Chuma has been a sad the tragic
story of the Orlando Magic. We've been

1025
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,400
talking, we've been waxing poetic about
many of the accolades and the rising stars

1026
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:24,519
that we have on this team.
Chuma's kind of he's the sad story.

1027
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:29,639
He came in there was in those
weird years before a right when Booch was

1028
01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:32,159
traded. He kind of got a
lot more on ball. Looks he was

1029
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:35,639
dunking on Anthony Davis, he was
shooting the ball well from beyond the arc

1030
01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:40,519
and like, okay, okay,
this is this is good. We got

1031
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:43,920
a wing here. He looked like
the three and D wing that you're you

1032
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,880
know, Sky one point was just
like absolutely bonkers. And he's still a

1033
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:53,920
superior he's still a great defender,
great on ball defender, but we've got

1034
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,079
a lot of really good defenders now, a lot of really versatile defenders,

1035
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:00,960
and so he can't really hang his
hat on there. And his shooting has

1036
01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:05,079
gotten worse every single year. It's
going in the wrong way, and I

1037
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:12,119
think that probably spells the end for
Chuma Okak, especially with Joe Ingles coming

1038
01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:15,760
in playing like the same position that
he does. Chuma was supposed to be

1039
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,800
like the backup for Paula and Franz, soaking up those minutes more. It's

1040
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:23,000
kind of beat him out. Now
we're bringing in Joe Ingles, now we're

1041
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:27,159
bringing in Jet Howard. All these
guys gotta get minutes. I just don't.

1042
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,479
I don't see where it happens for
Chuma unless you know, he lights

1043
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:36,600
the world on fire during camp.
And to talk about Jonathan Isaac, I

1044
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:41,760
have I have a policy on court
cousins Dan where I don't talk about injured

1045
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,359
players, and technically he's not injured
right now. But because of that policy,

1046
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:47,560
we haven't talked about Jonathan Isaac in
a long time. I mean,

1047
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,359
Franz has played more games than Jonathan
Isaac and Jonathan Isaac's seven year career,

1048
01:08:51,920 --> 01:09:00,359
So he's the ultimate what if He's
the ultimate X factor in this whole amazing

1049
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:04,199
hodgepodge that we're putting together right now
in Orlando. When he was like in

1050
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:09,199
nineteen twenty before he went down,
he was blocking him beat like he was

1051
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:13,199
the Yannis stopper, Like he was
defending these guys better than anyone in the

1052
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:17,079
league in our opinion, and you
just saw, like, Wow, this

1053
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:21,560
could be a defensive Player of the
Year candidate. This guy could be a

1054
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,479
cornerstone of the Orlando Magic before we
had Paul On Franz, I'm like,

1055
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,800
this is our star and it's just
you know, one knee, then the

1056
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,960
other knee, then the hamstring came
back. For last year, he was

1057
01:09:33,039 --> 01:09:38,279
on a minute's restricting playing like ten
twelve minutes and he got injured again.

1058
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:43,960
So it's it's tough man. And
he's been more active off the court than

1059
01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:46,680
on the court, which is a
frustration to me because I love ball and

1060
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:50,199
I want to see the young man
play because he's so dang talented and could

1061
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:56,279
help this team, But I just
can't as a as a as a responsible

1062
01:09:56,319 --> 01:10:00,760
content creator, Dan, I just
can't consider him and even a hypothetical situation,

1063
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,079
but man, it would be it
would be so good. I think

1064
01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:09,520
you're looking at it the smart way
with Isaac. It's if if he can

1065
01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:15,199
contribute, that's a huge bonus.
But there's also just like I won't say

1066
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:18,039
they've outgrown him, but they're definitely
just set up to move on from him,

1067
01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:21,560
like they don't need him and they
don't even need what was the best

1068
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,359
version of him at one point,
because I have no idea where he would

1069
01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:30,640
fit offensively on this team right now. Yeah, yeah, oh go ahead.

1070
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:34,119
Well he showed like he did show
some nice flashes of stuff, turnaround

1071
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:38,199
some post work. He was shooting
pretty well from beyond the arc. But

1072
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:43,680
yeah, you just you can't consider
him as a responsible Magic fan. And

1073
01:10:44,039 --> 01:10:47,039
the best thing that he might be
for us right now is a trade chip

1074
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:51,840
for someone who's looking to dump salary
and maybe get under the luxury tax or

1075
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:56,840
under the second apron. That's seventeen
million dollars and I think he has one

1076
01:10:57,319 --> 01:11:00,720
one more year left up this or
is he on his last year. That's

1077
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,600
attractive. That's attractive to some teams, and that might be the best asset

1078
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,760
he brings to the Land of Magic. Do you when you're sort of looking

1079
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:13,000
at Harris or Caleb Houston guys who
played like really thank Kevon Harris to be

1080
01:11:13,079 --> 01:11:15,920
clear, and not Gary Harris.
Oh yeah, sorry, Cavan's bed.

1081
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,760
And so they come in they injuries, they played some bigger roles. I

1082
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:26,119
think people expected them last year.
They were both very interesting from the again

1083
01:11:26,279 --> 01:11:30,720
limited amount that I saw of them. Uh, Cavon Harris excuse me not

1084
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:35,039
Gary Harris, chaos king and I
really like Caleb Houston Holy defensive versatility.

1085
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:40,000
There either these guys factor in this
season or is the rotation at full strength.

1086
01:11:40,079 --> 01:11:42,760
I'll grow in them a little bit. I think they it would be

1087
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,479
tough for them to factor and and
with with everyone at full strength, if

1088
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:50,720
they're in there, it's I'm not
something might have gone wrong, you know,

1089
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:56,760
Jet Howard is struggling, ab is
struggling. Something like that is happening.

1090
01:11:57,039 --> 01:12:00,520
And I think you're more likely to
see Kevan h play this year because

1091
01:12:01,079 --> 01:12:05,680
mostly just loves him. He's got
he's tenacious on defense, and he's he's

1092
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,920
much like Jalen sucks. He's got
one gear. It's just all out and

1093
01:12:10,199 --> 01:12:15,920
I love that chaos king. That's
exactly what he is. Caleb, while

1094
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,720
switchable, didn't show much besides being
kind of a spot up shooter. I

1095
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:24,800
just I don't know where he fits. We'll see. I think this is

1096
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,239
the last year that he's guaranteed on
the contract, so I kind of have

1097
01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:31,359
a feeling he just fades off into
the sunset or hopefully gets a shot on

1098
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,880
on other team. But I don't
see either of those guys factory in it

1099
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:38,039
at all. Do you have another
concern? We've talked a lot about the

1100
01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:40,640
spacing, and I do believe that's
still in the half court. The biggest

1101
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,960
concern is there another concern coming out
of the off season when you look at

1102
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,960
this roster that you still have.
I mean, I mean we've talked about

1103
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:51,439
it shooting, it's which is spacing, Like that's where's it going to come

1104
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:56,960
from. We drafted Anthony Black as
we've talked about already. That that's my

1105
01:12:57,279 --> 01:13:00,560
that's my biggest concern. That's my
biggest concern. I'm also, you know,

1106
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:06,520
interested to see how the team fares
in hopefully meaningful basketball time too.

1107
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:12,800
We're hoping in Orlando to to see
some playoff basketball. And we love this

1108
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,039
team in the regular season, but
you know, there are there are guys,

1109
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:21,239
there are teams that are regular season
superstars, don't Evan Mitchell and that

1110
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,479
when they get to the playoff.
I'm sorry that was uncalled for those an

1111
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,760
unnecessary shade Kyle, bad Kyle.
Where it's a different game. It's a

1112
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,960
different game and when teams can game
plan. I would love to see this

1113
01:13:33,119 --> 01:13:40,159
team in a series because that's when
our weaknesses would get exposed. That's when

1114
01:13:40,199 --> 01:13:44,319
we can figure out really where we
need to move in terms of the direction

1115
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,920
of the team. Hey, I'm
optimistic about how we'll perform. You see

1116
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:53,479
Franz Wagner going up against the USA
and dropping twenty two. That's a guy

1117
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,079
with ice in his veins. You
know, when you've got guys like that

1118
01:13:56,239 --> 01:14:00,279
that have done it already on the
international scale. We feel good about it,

1119
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:04,039
but it's still an untested products.
It's still a theory right now.

1120
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:08,560
Dan. So that's the only thing
I'm skeptical about, and i'd like to

1121
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,000
see moving in this year. I
think the one thing and this isn't a

1122
01:14:12,039 --> 01:14:15,720
concern. I would like to see
them be even more aggressive to get going

1123
01:14:16,039 --> 01:14:20,720
in the open floor and in transition, especially in like sometimes it felt like

1124
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:26,680
last year that they were more focused
on not I don't want to say speed

1125
01:14:27,039 --> 01:14:31,840
necessarily, but like being faster in
situations where teams wouldn't expect them to be

1126
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,680
faster, where it's like, okay, after I made shot, like they're

1127
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,399
going to try and get into their
offense a lot quicker. But then if

1128
01:14:36,399 --> 01:14:40,119
they force a turnover and grab a
rebound, it felt like they should be

1129
01:14:40,119 --> 01:14:43,960
getting into their offense a lot quicker
than they were in those situations, so

1130
01:14:44,039 --> 01:14:48,199
I guess to like boil it down
even further. They're fine after they're defending.

1131
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:53,479
Makes I want to see them get
faster after they're forcing turnovers or grabbing

1132
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,520
live rebounds. I think there's room
for them collectively to grow there. And

1133
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,720
I'm not saying I'm worried they won't, just curious what they have the personnel

1134
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,079
to do it, and they also
have it. I mean, you added

1135
01:15:03,159 --> 01:15:06,640
eighty year old Joe Ingles and we
don't know what's gonna happen with me black,

1136
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,600
Like did you? They didn't necessarily
add the personnelity that's going to make

1137
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,800
them want to change the way they
play in those situations. Gonna have to

1138
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,479
happen them recognizing like, oh,
this personnel that we already have in place

1139
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,680
can do that. Yeah, I
think I might disagree slight. I think

1140
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:25,640
we saw more of that as this
season went on, especially with Marquelle coming

1141
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,039
back. I mean they he pushes, he pushes the ball, and with

1142
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:31,439
Franz and Paulo, though, you
are right, and there's more room to

1143
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:35,600
grow. You've got guys that can
off the rebound, push the ball immediately.

1144
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:40,880
So it's a strength that I also
would like to see us lean into

1145
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,159
a little bit more and try to
catch some teams on their back foot get

1146
01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:47,239
continue to get to the line.
That's the opportunity where Paulo ticks those you

1147
01:15:47,279 --> 01:15:50,840
know, seven point four up to
nine a game, and Franz continues to

1148
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:55,199
get to line. Those are the
opportunities, and I like where he has

1149
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:58,960
at with that. One day.
So after they started five and twenty,

1150
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,560
which you've mentioned a couple of times, now, did you know the magic

1151
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,079
started five and twenty For anyone who's
listening to this podcast, everyone told you

1152
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:08,319
they go twenty nine and twenty four
before they close the season on a four

1153
01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:13,159
game losing streak. During that time, they were sixth in points loud per

1154
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:17,239
possession. Aside from just the superior
size that they have, what is something

1155
01:16:17,399 --> 01:16:21,880
that when you watch that really stands
out about their defense, whether it's a

1156
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:27,560
statistical aspect or just something you're noticing
schematically, or with certain players or lineups

1157
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:31,640
on the floor. Whatever. We've
we've kind of danced around it talking about

1158
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:36,720
each and every player, but it's
the switchability. I mean every even Wendell

1159
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:43,119
Carter to Mark l Foltz in that
starting lineup, Jalen Suggs Franz, Paulo,

1160
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,359
all of those guys are capable of
switching on to anyone. Maybe not

1161
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:50,000
for extended periods of time if you
got Wendell on a one, but he's

1162
01:16:50,039 --> 01:16:56,239
done it before. So the switchability
is superior. And and like you said,

1163
01:16:56,279 --> 01:17:00,840
the Jeff Weltman has loved drafting these
guys with these huge wingspans. Just

1164
01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:05,840
positionless basketball is something that has been
thrown at us ad nauseam by our front

1165
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:11,760
office. And you see the benefit
when Coach Mosley goes to the zone.

1166
01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:15,920
US Magic fans were pulling our hair
out in the beginning of the year when

1167
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,560
we're just our zone was getting destroyed. But as we started to get more

1168
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:24,359
consistency, you started to really see
it payoff in big moments where we'd be

1169
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:28,800
able to stem the tide of an
offensive run by going to that zone.

1170
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,880
I think it really gave some teams
fits too. We can not only play

1171
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:38,039
man to man and switch, but
we can also now have a reliable zone

1172
01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:43,840
defense that was coming together as we
were getting to the end of the season.

1173
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,319
So I'm excited to see that continue
to grow and develop as we move

1174
01:17:47,399 --> 01:17:53,439
into twenty twenty three twenty four.
Here, I'm excited to do and I

1175
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:57,319
need to find I need to get
dat on like the specifics of switching possessions,

1176
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,800
specifically with Palel Bank Caro, just
to continnew that Palla Bank Carroll defensive

1177
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,399
agenda, because I just feel like
from times when I watched him where it's

1178
01:18:03,399 --> 01:18:06,720
like, oh, that was a
possession where he just capably guarded Jason Tatum

1179
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:11,039
or oh did he just force the
ball out of Kevin Durant's hands type stuff,

1180
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,039
That's something I would need. I
would love to see more data on.

1181
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:19,159
Are you ready though for the cookie
cutter portion of these look ahead podcasts.

1182
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:25,039
I will I'm the cookie monster.
Baby. Let's go, what does

1183
01:18:25,119 --> 01:18:29,239
the ten man rotation look like to
you if you're building it out? Okay,

1184
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,119
all right, so let's let's bring
up the depth chart. So for

1185
01:18:31,319 --> 01:18:36,800
me, my starting five is going
to be Marquelle, Jalen Suggs love It,

1186
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:43,600
Franz Wagner, Paula Bank, Carroll, Wendell Carter Jr. Let's see

1187
01:18:44,079 --> 01:18:48,319
coming off the bench. Then we're
gonna probably have Yeah, maybe Franz and

1188
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:55,239
Jalen coming off at similar times.
I would imagine. Then this is tough

1189
01:18:55,359 --> 01:18:58,199
because where does Gary Harris fit.
That's what I'm struggling with most right now

1190
01:18:58,279 --> 01:19:01,640
in my mind, just like he
is the actual person on this team,

1191
01:19:02,079 --> 01:19:06,720
I guess, aside from Franz that
it's like finished three in D. Like

1192
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:11,680
that's like he is three in D. You can't call Jalen Suggs that just

1193
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,640
yet. So you have and he's
he's great at what he does. I

1194
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:19,119
mean, and here like an astronomical
percentage on drives last year, that part

1195
01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:21,039
of his game, it's sort of
fallen off a couple of years. He

1196
01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:25,640
only came back last year. No, and I think as Magic fans,

1197
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,479
we want to see him shooting more. I love me some Gary Harris,

1198
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,560
so he's got to be in that. I think he's you know, coming

1199
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:35,840
in for Jalen Suggs. They're kind
of swapping responsibilities this year. Coming in

1200
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:40,720
for Franz Wagner. Is that when
you put in Anthony Black at defending like

1201
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,399
the two or three? Is he
big enough? Can he do that?

1202
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,479
Probably against most teams, he could
defend the three. I think it will

1203
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:49,119
be a nights and night basis.
Then coming in for Markell, you're gonna

1204
01:19:49,119 --> 01:19:54,359
have Cole so he and Anthony Black
will kind of go back and forth in

1205
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,079
terms of running the offense. And
this is where it gets weird, man,

1206
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:00,600
Like there would be that's eight locks. Eight. I think i'd agree

1207
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:04,159
with you, yeah, because you
have the starting five Gary Harris, Collanthony

1208
01:20:04,199 --> 01:20:08,319
Anthony Black, right, so that's
eight yeah, And I would agree with

1209
01:20:08,359 --> 01:20:12,279
you on all those locks. And
and you've got to play your eleventh overall

1210
01:20:12,359 --> 01:20:14,720
draft pick. Right, you got
to give him a runway, I would

1211
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,680
assume in Jet Howard, so it's
like you don't you kind of have to

1212
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,159
play Moe Wagner unless you are leaning
into palle all the way at back up

1213
01:20:21,239 --> 01:20:27,560
five at this point, right,
So I guess yeah, So then where

1214
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,319
the hell is going? Well,
paid eleven million dollars to be the eleventh

1215
01:20:30,359 --> 01:20:32,840
man in you the way the towel, you know, sign me up,

1216
01:20:33,039 --> 01:20:38,279
sign me up. It's there's gonna
be you know, it's fun to do

1217
01:20:38,359 --> 01:20:42,399
the ten man, but I we're
gonna be twelve thirteen. They are a

1218
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:45,520
regular season. That's gonna mix it
up. But like it'll be interesting if

1219
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:49,119
they made the playoffs, right,
what their eight man rotation would be.

1220
01:20:49,319 --> 01:20:51,800
Maybe it's just we outline the eight
locks. But it's like there's not a

1221
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,800
lot of like there's a big big
in the starting five, but then your

1222
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,760
size kind of starts to drop off
of you both Gary Harris and Colanthony coming

1223
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,279
off the bench right, and and
the guy we haven't talked about at all,

1224
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:06,560
but I like a lot is go
Goga Pataz. You like Goga?

1225
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:11,199
I love Go. I mean he
was our best offensive rebounder. And you

1226
01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:15,119
know that's you know, I talked
to seth Partner. Our part now is

1227
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:18,600
set part Now. His book Offensive
Rebounding is how you determine who's a good

1228
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:23,399
rebounder and he's the only guy that
was really doing that as a seven footer.

1229
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,840
He was also doing a pretty good
job being vertical. So if we're

1230
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,880
playing a team that has like a
true center more it's can't really handle it.

1231
01:21:30,079 --> 01:21:34,199
Sometimes Wehendell struggles to get rebounds against
those guys. Goga's our only answer.

1232
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:38,560
So, you know, I think
he gets some minutes somewhere too.

1233
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:44,760
And what's the bigger wild card Goga's
defense in space or Jonathan Isaac's availability.

1234
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,760
I mean, that's gotta it's gotta
be. That's the bigger wild card is

1235
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:55,600
Jonathan Isaac. That's for anything.
But yeah, Goga can get on roller

1236
01:21:55,640 --> 01:22:00,359
skates. Certainly, you gotta you
gotta keep the man of the paint would

1237
01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:03,000
be or and this will be some
extent, to some extent, excuse me,

1238
01:22:03,159 --> 01:22:06,479
matchup dependent, but what would be
your preferred closing unit for this team?

1239
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,880
Is it just the starting lineup that
you would roll out or do you

1240
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,520
see any potential for fussing and fiddling
with any of the spots. I don't

1241
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,399
think so. I don't think so. You know what, coach Moseley did

1242
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,359
a great job of last year,
and I think he'll continue to do so.

1243
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:24,319
Is rewarding the hot hand Cole Anthony. If he gets hot, he

1244
01:22:24,399 --> 01:22:28,359
knows he can play into the fourth
quarter. But he's got to be hot

1245
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,560
because he can be a liability on
defense at times. But so I think

1246
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,199
the five that online as the starters
is my finishing unit as well, Mark

1247
01:22:35,319 --> 01:22:41,159
Hill, Jalen, Paulo, Franz, and Wendell. If on day one

1248
01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:44,479
we see Gary Harris in the starting
lineup, I would still imagine that Jalen

1249
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,560
would be finishing the game. Yeah, And it seems like there's the most

1250
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,239
potential for funsing and fiddling just in
the backcourt. And I think at this

1251
01:22:51,359 --> 01:22:56,159
point I would even go as far
as to say that there are just four

1252
01:22:56,279 --> 01:22:59,640
locks because you need Mark el Foltz's
ball handling and playmaking. But like if

1253
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,800
pal D or Franz makes this leap
as a passer, you could in theory

1254
01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:08,640
if you're looking to skew more offense
or space, like you get really wild

1255
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:12,000
with who you're throwing out in the
backcourt, then would give you more options.

1256
01:23:12,039 --> 01:23:15,479
But it does feel like there's four
locks for what would be their most

1257
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,319
used closing unit, that's Faults,
Wendell, Palo and Franz. And I

1258
01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:24,359
would think that the fifth spot you
mentioned could be coll Anthony, Jalen Suggs.

1259
01:23:24,399 --> 01:23:28,199
Could we see some Gary Harris depending
on the matchup, Maybe I would

1260
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:30,119
be it would be interesting. He
can't really get played off the floor.

1261
01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:34,520
But like, would you ever see
a Palo at the five? Closing unit

1262
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:39,199
would be But that lead into I
think this question. If you're a weirdo,

1263
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,600
quirky, unconventional, yet to be
seen lineup that you want to see

1264
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,399
them try this year, well,
yeah, let's let's let's run what we

1265
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,760
ran against New Zealand there. Let's
put Polo at the five. Let's put

1266
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:55,039
some shoot, Let's put the most
possible shooting that we can around Paulo Ban

1267
01:23:55,119 --> 01:23:57,800
Carroll. And I think that you
do that with him at the five,

1268
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,960
because then you can bring Ingles at
the four. Got a three point shooter,

1269
01:24:01,359 --> 01:24:08,119
We could have Franz at the three, I guess, and then give

1270
01:24:08,199 --> 01:24:14,359
me some Gary Harris and like some
Cole Anthony and run the offense more through

1271
01:24:14,399 --> 01:24:18,319
Polo and Franz. I mean,
that's maybe sacrilegious to uh my boy Mark

1272
01:24:18,399 --> 01:24:23,000
el Folds, but if we're throwing
out some wacky stuff, let's let's try

1273
01:24:23,039 --> 01:24:26,000
to flip the script, Orlando Magic, Let's try to we were a team

1274
01:24:26,079 --> 01:24:29,880
that could not shoot the three ball
at all last year. Let's try to

1275
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:33,439
surround Polo with as much three point
shooting as we possibly can. But I

1276
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,720
don't know if we're actually going to
see that. Now. I'm really putting

1277
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:40,039
on the glasses. I'm living in
Lalo Land. I would love to see,

1278
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,640
And to be honest, this team
is really not fun when it comes

1279
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,680
to making weird old lineups because I
think so many of the lineups you can

1280
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,960
just justify as being sensible, any
of the combinations that you just put out

1281
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:55,239
there. Just give me Polo plus
all Wings. It's like, let's throw

1282
01:24:55,800 --> 01:25:00,800
Fronds on there, anti black Jet
Howard, and then the other one is

1283
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,800
Joe Ingles just for the shooting.
So it's like Polo and those four or

1284
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:09,800
Jalen Sugs. Even I wouldn't mind
like having him in that scenario. So

1285
01:25:10,199 --> 01:25:13,399
Polo plus I'll call them wings.
Polo plus a bunch of wings is what

1286
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,720
I want to say. It's it's
nothing compared to the Wingspan lineup of last

1287
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:23,399
year that people wanted, which was
like Bull, Jonathan Isaac, who you

1288
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:30,840
know, Polo Ban Caro Franz Wagner
the super huge lineup man Bull Bowl in

1289
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:36,079
Phoenix now where they will soon learn
that he doesn't play much. I just

1290
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:40,720
love the memes coming out when he
got when he's signed there of like they're

1291
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,840
big three plus bull Bowl, Like
yes, this is the missing piece.

1292
01:25:44,039 --> 01:25:48,199
Like fans, he's become such a
phenomenon that like there will be like when

1293
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:51,199
they come out with the photoshop graphics
before they're in the Jersey, Like there

1294
01:25:51,279 --> 01:25:55,479
were those graphics of bull Bowl in
the suns Jersey. Someone took the time

1295
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,479
the photo shop bull Bow in a
Suns Jersey. Okay, this is the

1296
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:03,800
big one. They're over under as
rerecord this on Friday night, September eighth,

1297
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:09,960
thirty six and a half. Are
you taking the over or the under?

1298
01:26:10,119 --> 01:26:13,079
And where do you see them stacking
up in the larger context of the

1299
01:26:13,159 --> 01:26:18,199
Eastern Conference thermonuclear mr efforts? Right
now, look at me. I need

1300
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:25,560
you to take as much money responsibly
as you can right now and run,

1301
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,640
don't walk, and put it on
the over. I myself did that.

1302
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,560
I wouldn't give you advice that I
wouldn't live by. I think I've put

1303
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:35,119
money on over and then I put
money on like over forty. I may

1304
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:40,079
have even dabbled with over forty five. I don't think that's like a crazy

1305
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:43,319
reach. When you look at as
you said, you know that spurt where

1306
01:26:43,359 --> 01:26:46,840
we went twenty nine and twenty four, twenty nine and twenty five, if

1307
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:51,239
you extrapolate that across the whole season, I think that's good for like the

1308
01:26:51,359 --> 01:26:56,800
seventh seed last year, something around
those lines. So I think we're coming

1309
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:00,239
in very underrated with that thirty six
and a half, because that would still

1310
01:27:00,279 --> 01:27:03,960
be a losing season. And I
do not see the magic being under five

1311
01:27:04,039 --> 01:27:06,840
hundred. I expect us to be
over five hundred. And I say,

1312
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:11,119
run, don't walk, Dan,
tell me you're with me. I don't

1313
01:27:11,159 --> 01:27:15,079
reveal it because we do our over
Under podcast separately, and I've decided this

1314
01:27:15,239 --> 01:27:17,920
year that I won't reveal mine because
then they're all spoiled. When Grant and

1315
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:23,119
I going to record it, yours
will be recorded. I put the I

1316
01:27:23,159 --> 01:27:26,439
have receeats forever yet, so yours
will be recorded. I will say,

1317
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,319
this does give me, And there's
a big reason why this gives me.

1318
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,479
Last year's Sacramento Kings Vibes, where
theirs came out and it was like thirty

1319
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:39,159
five or something stupid. It was
like, oh no, that's way too

1320
01:27:39,239 --> 01:27:45,000
low. And then I think what
helps the Magic is no one got a

1321
01:27:45,159 --> 01:27:49,079
lot better in the East this summer, I think, And the more instructive

1322
01:27:49,119 --> 01:27:51,560
exercise to go through is Okay,
well, what are the teams that we

1323
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:57,319
are prepared at this moment are going
to be better than the Magic? There's

1324
01:27:57,359 --> 01:28:01,119
the Bucks, There's the Celtics,
which it will be the Celtics, but

1325
01:28:01,159 --> 01:28:05,000
I want to make it clear,
I'm so low on the christophs Porzingis acquisition

1326
01:28:05,119 --> 01:28:11,359
is not your There's the Calves.
And then I'm not saying that they are

1327
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:15,720
going to be fourth in the East, but like that's where that's where the

1328
01:28:16,119 --> 01:28:19,560
locks run out, because yeah,
okay, the Knicks fine, maybe,

1329
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:24,720
but the heat. What's happening with
Damian Lillard? They lost two mission critical

1330
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,159
guys this offseason. If they don't
have to yeah, if they get Dame,

1331
01:28:27,279 --> 01:28:30,000
sure, the heat? What the
fuck is going on in Philly?

1332
01:28:30,199 --> 01:28:33,399
I have no idea yet count on
them? So yeah, there are these

1333
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,560
other teams, like what's gonna happen
with Atlanta? What's going on in chicagoan

1334
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:42,640
Toronto? There? But that's sort
of my point is that the East is

1335
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,520
so wide open. Definitely it benefits
a team like the Magic. I think,

1336
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:48,239
where's the team like the Heat.
I don't think it benefits them as

1337
01:28:48,279 --> 01:28:50,760
much, especially if they don't have
Dame. But a team like the Magic,

1338
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,680
a team like the Pacers, you're
looking for someone who could run off

1339
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:58,880
more wins than you're expecting. So
that is my not revealing my pick for

1340
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,920
the Magic, but those are my
on Orlando's over under. I think there

1341
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:06,199
are just three teams. They're so
far above the rest of the East and

1342
01:29:06,279 --> 01:29:10,720
that everyone else, with the exception
of Washington, who was trying to suck

1343
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,520
and kudos to them. We're doing
so that could end up being jumbled together.

1344
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,560
Man, I mean, I'm the
Brooklyn Nets were six. They're gonna

1345
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:24,319
tumble, like you know. The
Cleveland Cavaliers are a good regular season team.

1346
01:29:24,319 --> 01:29:28,560
They'll probably be up there, but
seventy six. And I won't reveal

1347
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:30,680
this, but I flirted with picking
me him to come out of the East

1348
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,720
this year. I'm like, I'm
drinking all the Cleveland Cavaliers. I love

1349
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,800
me some Evan Mobilier. Man,
he is gonna be still good and people

1350
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:41,520
who are just like using the playoff
series to discredit a sophomore is like,

1351
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:45,479
let's let's chill. Make sure you
go watch the Hard Knocks Hardwood Knocks video

1352
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,359
on Evan Mobili. I saw that
was supposed to the other You know,

1353
01:29:47,399 --> 01:29:51,319
it's funny you made that mistake because
I get we get tagged time and hard

1354
01:29:51,399 --> 01:29:58,399
Knocks stuff on Twitter because people think
like that's the handle of hard knocks.

1355
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:02,199
H Is there any on anything pertaining
to this roster? I didn't ask you

1356
01:30:02,319 --> 01:30:06,199
about You think we need to discuss
after ninety minutes that we did not hit.

1357
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,760
Oh no, I got I got
to talk about my Go Go bats.

1358
01:30:11,239 --> 01:30:14,079
So I think I'm happy. Dan. I just gotta tell the people

1359
01:30:14,239 --> 01:30:16,000
it's a good time right now.
It's all right, it's not You're not

1360
01:30:16,079 --> 01:30:20,039
going to be a bandwagoner if you
come right now, the water is warm,

1361
01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:25,279
it's before everyone's on board. So
just just come on, come on

1362
01:30:25,399 --> 01:30:28,560
board. We're fine being your B
team. Okay, we don't need to

1363
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,159
be your A team out there,
ladies and gentlemen, but just you know,

1364
01:30:30,279 --> 01:30:32,840
give us some eyeballs once in a
while. We're a great lead past

1365
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,359
team. It's gonna be exciting Yeah, they're they're absolutely gonna be fun league

1366
01:30:36,359 --> 01:30:40,920
past team, and you can show
your membership aboard the Magic bandwagon by hanging

1367
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:45,800
a random era jersey behind you whenever
you're podcasting. That's how that's how we'll

1368
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,560
know, Kyle. Can you just
tell all our listeners where they can find

1369
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,880
you and all the work that you're
putting out. Absolutely. Another great way

1370
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:56,880
to show your Orlando Magic fandom is
to come on over to Court Cousins.

1371
01:30:57,319 --> 01:31:00,279
Come check us out, Me and
my cousin the Peace. We put out

1372
01:31:00,319 --> 01:31:03,079
shows, we put out, you
know, recaps of all the games.

1373
01:31:03,359 --> 01:31:08,319
We like to call ourselves a comedic
Orlando Magic, an NBA podcast. We

1374
01:31:08,359 --> 01:31:11,920
don't take ourselves too seriously. So
if you're looking for a laugh and you're

1375
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:15,399
looking for some basketball, come on
over to Court Cousins. You can also

1376
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,520
catch some of my writing at Orlando
Magic Daily dot com. So thanks so

1377
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,920
much, Danon, and thank you
everyone out there. Yes, you can

1378
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:28,000
find the links to Court cousins social
media stuff and all of their YouTube link

1379
01:31:28,079 --> 01:31:30,239
in there as well, so go
subscribe a lot of fun. Kyle,

1380
01:31:30,319 --> 01:31:33,560
thank you so much for coming on
and rest as short. I'll probably be

1381
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:39,840
pestering you again downline, Absolutely,
you're you're welcome anytime in this Orlando Magic