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Welcome to another episode of Blood and
Dust. I'm joined by my esteemed colleagues,

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Julian Matt. How are you guys
doing today? Pretty good? Great?

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How are you doing? I can't
compline. I actually I'm going to

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complain, but ain't. Nobody gonna
list. Nobody cares. So it's just

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I'm like super tired and busy all
weekend, just running around like crazy.

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So I'm actually this probably the first
time I've sat down other than sleeping in

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like two days, so it's kind
of nice. That's how I'm doing.

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Today was my kid's birthday, So
happy birthday, ju, Happy birthday.

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Hell, Halloween b Day. It's
like the best birthday ever. Yeah,

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he doesn't hate it, that's for
sure. They used to call him,

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make fun of him at school and
stuff like that, call him like demon

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boy and god, kids are so
mean. Yeah. Yeah, I was

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like, kids don't know how awesome
your birthday is. They'll find out eventually.

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Yeah, that's a pretty cool birthday. Yeah. We're just getting ready

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for trick or treating and I took
a giant nap before this podcast. I'm

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sorry, justin, I don't know. I mean, that hurts me in

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my heart, but It was a
good nap until my kid woke me up

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to tell me his iPad died.
All right, so today we're gonna be

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talking about Bass Reeves and what did
you guys think about without giving too much

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way, would you guys think about
him? I kind of had a background

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knowledge of them already. I had
read about him a couple of times,

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so I kind of knew the bullet
points that there are to know about them.

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That's good. Yeah, I had
never to be honest, I've never

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heard of bass Roofs before. We
had so many suggestions for him, and

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I am pretty impressed. Yeah,
I can see why there were a lot

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of suggestions. I think going forward
with this podcast in the future, it's

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gonna be hard to cover someone as
amazing as this freaking guy was. To

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be honest with you, it's gonna
be hard. We'll try, but it's

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gonna be hard. Man. He
was a pretty amazing dude. It was

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bordering on superhero literally. Yeah,
he was. Man. Yeah, I

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can't really say much more than that
than you know, spoiling anything, but

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he was fantastic. I don't think
they make them like that anymore. No,

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absolutely not. He went through a
lot and overcame a lot then even

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an old age just you know,
had to go through more stuff and just

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his his whole freaking life. Like
I don't know if there's has there ever

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been like a full length feature Hollywood
movie made about this dude yet or what

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there were a couple like low,
very low budget movies that features that's disappointing.

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Like you could make a two hour
or two two and a half hour

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long just awesome action, I'll act
movie about this guy would be a great

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mini series. Honestly, that's even
better, like a ten part series or

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something that Netflix get on that.
Yeah, that'd be really cool. All

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right, let's get started. So
our story starts with Reeves. He was

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born into slavery in Crawford County in
Arkansas in eighteen thirty eight, and he

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was named after his grandfather, Bass
Washington. Unfortunately, you know, during

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the time, Reeves and his family
were enslaved by the Arkansas state legislator WILLIAMS.

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Reeve Williams, excuse me as William
Reeves. And when Bass was about

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eight, William moved to Grayson County, Texas near Sherman. And and this

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is a common practice when the what's
the word patriarch of the family passes away,

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he would probably most likely pass his
bonded slaves down to his family members

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so they would remain in the family
because at the time, unfortunately these people

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were kept and thought of his property
other than human beings. So Bass took

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the name of his master, which
was Reeves, I will note that out.

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And he was handed down to his
son, George R. Reeves,

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who was a sheriff and legislator in
Texas, and he began living his life

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with him. And when the Civil
War began, George Reeves, which was

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Bass Reeves enslaver, he joined the
Confederate Army and he took Bass with him.

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And it's not clear exactly how he
escaped his enslavement from him. There's

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a couple rumors. I heard one
where his mom and him were in the

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cabin and he stood up for his
mother and he was dragged off trying,

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you know, going to have punishment. Somebody let him go. The other

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thing was the rumor was that he
was playing cards with his owner and he

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quote unquote beat him up, which
I don't think is likely. Did you

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guys ever hear anything about the altercations
or other different methods I just heard that

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nobody really knows how he got how
he escaped, right, and it's so

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far back in history that I don't
think anybody knows really was he was in

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his early early teens, I believe
too. So after you know, whatever

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the reason was, when Bass decided
to make an escape for it, he

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fled over to Indian Territory, which, if you look on the map,

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which was basically Oklahoma roughly, and
then he stayed with the native tribes and

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he learned their languages and their ways, and there's a quote from him that

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it meant a lot to him to
earn the trust of these Indians and become

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one of them, because he respected
them so much. And he stayed there

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in that Oklahoma territory or Native territory, excuse me, until he was freed

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by the thirteenth Amendment, which happened
in eighteen sixty five. So he was

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safe there because the law even if
you were run away sixty three, sorry,

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the Emancipation Proclamation was ratified in sixty
three. Well you would know that,

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so Oklahoma Territory was an area that
the government could not touch with their

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laws. So even if you were
legal or illegal slave, they could not

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bring you back to your master.
So that's why he stayed there, and

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he was well protected. There were
a lot of freed There were a lot

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of runaway slaves and stuff like that
that went for Indian Territory just because of

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that fact. Yeah, I didn't
know that previously, and I was very

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amazed at that. They're very smart
individuals for doing that. Yeah, they

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took them in and they all lived
together. It's a lot closer than Canada.

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Yes, open, Yes, it
is. And that is his early

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life. And I am going to
pass the ball over to Matthew. And

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like you said, by eighteen sixty
three, Reeves is he's no longer considered

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a fugitive because he's freed. And
the story that I heard was the second

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one you said where he got into
an altercation with them and that's that was

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pretty much death sentence or at least. Yeah, you're right, I was

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gonna that's kind of where I was
with it. It's like I kind of

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find that hard to believe, like
if you do that and actually get away.

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So he really had no option at
that point but to get out of

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there. After he escapes, he's
living in Indian Territory. He buys Land

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near Van Buren, Arkansas, and
it looks like Van Buren is the second

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largest city in the Fort Smith,
Oklahoma area, and then Fort Smith,

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Fort Sill. They're all not too
far away from each other, and they're

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all Indian Territory forts. So he
he's doing pretty well for himself as far

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as farming and ranching. He marries
a woman named Nellie Jenny, and she's

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from Texas, and believe it or
not, they have eleven kids. It

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was a busy man, yes,
a busy woman exactly. Newland Benjamin Robert,

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Alice Homer, Edgar Lula, George
Sally Harriet, and then Bass Junior

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wow So in Fort Smith. In
eighteen seventy five, the Federal Western District

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Court is moved there. Isaac Parker
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the Indian Terry at this time,
they have no federal and state jurisdictions,

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so it's a great place not only
for slaves, but thieves, murders,

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and anyone wishing to hide from the
law. Parker's earliest act was to appoint

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Us Marshal James f I. And
this is a hard one, fagin or

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a gain us. You guys know, nope, and I do not.

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So he is the head of two
hundred deputies roughly. So Fagan selects Bass

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Reeves for his significant knowledge of the
Indian territory, and Bass also learns I

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think it was like six or seven
different Indian dialects. And I mean I

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only know English. So that's really
impressive to learn essentially seven languages, especially

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when you can't even read or write
right exactly. It's just a must have

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had a hell of a memory maybe
a photograph. Can't read, but maybe

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had a photographic memory. Well,
when you're so young trying to survive,

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I mean, it's important that you
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working alongside Bass, Heck Thomas,
Bud Leadbetter and Bud Tilman, and I

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think it was Bud Tilman. He
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right. Maybe not quite as well
known as Bass Roofs, but he had

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a lot of arrests. The United
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five thousand square miles. This is
the largest in the nation as far as

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the miles that deputies would have to
cover. A lot of the other ones,

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you know, you have some pretty
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so you're going to have a lot
more guys work in an area.

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Usually when Reese went out, he
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which is great thinking, it's something
I never thought of to bring a

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cook with thee a Native American posseman
who is you know, he's probably gonna

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know anything. Bass doesn't know that
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to help him with. And then
they would ride to forts through Fort Sill,

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which I lived at for I think
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I don't really remember it. It's
still pretty cool, Fort Reno and a

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place called Anna Darko, And this
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that he would make every couple months, well every so often, but it

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took him a couple months to make. Being a former slave, like we

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said, Reeves couldn't read and write, it would have been illegal for him

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and someone would have had to have
taught him. So he would have someone

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read him as warrants. Then,
like we said, from memory, he

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would remember the warrants. I don't
think we talked about his stature. He's

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well over six foot tall, play
about six foot two, and he's got

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that lean, wiry cowboy, you
know, just all muscle. A lot

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of times too, when he couldn't
read the warrants, he would find the

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guy that he had to serve it
to and then he would make that guy

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read the warrant to him because his
whole thing was, well, if it's

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the guy, I got to drop
on him, because he's got that piece

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of paper in his hand, and
I've already got my gun out. If

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it's not the guy, he's probably
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So it was like a win win. Like Bastards was super intelligent,

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I will say, yes he was. And just for the record, people,

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he could shoot a rifle ambidextriously.
Yeah, he could shoot with both

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hands. He could shoot pistols with
both hands like his aim was insane.

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He could shoot while writing. You
didn't really get one over on him too

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much. That and he was six
foot two in a land of people who

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were five foot seven, you know, so big dude, five ft seven,

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five foot Matt Reeves is quickly earning
a reputation in the Indian territory.

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If you're an outlaw, you don't
want to see him. And with his

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successes in bringing in his man and
warrants. He's also killing a lot of

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guys, A lot of guys were
he had. They're dangerous, so it's

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either you or me. Probably didn't
have any choice in that. I think

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he was credited with Nobody wrote knows
the real number, but I think he

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was eventually credited by an Oklahoma newspaper
at the time with fourteen kills and thirteen

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of them were in self defense and
the other one was an accident, which

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is pretty sad. Yeah, he
would. I'm sure he felt terrible for

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the especial yeah, which we'll get
to well to that story here. Yeah,

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but yeah, I mean Indian territory. He's hunting the mo most dangerous

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guys, right and fourteen kills,
that's it's a lot more than the most

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of our super gun slinger outlaws usually
have. Oh yeah, usually there you

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know, three to five, oh
for sure. And out of three thousand

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arrests, that's pretty good, you
know, percentage wise. I should say,

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yeah, he was I don't know, if quoted, I'd say more

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of a rumor or reputation of being
like the better, better wrangler of the

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outlaws, and it was it was
neat because he would bring his jail wagon

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and he would hide it somewhere full
unknowing at all times where it was.

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And then when he would come back
with his capture, he would throw him

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in this wagon and they would be
tied together and the end of the chain

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would be tied to the axle of
the wagon. So at all times,

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you know they'd be there's nowhere to
go. It was diffrey so cool.

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I wonder if he asked any of
the guys, hey want to stay in

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this you know, essential camper van
tonight? Yeah? Right, and I

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just walked in themselves. Ever know
he was. He was a clever dude,

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so you never know. Also,
if you look at all his pictures,

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he's a pretty shnazzy dresser. It's
kind of like the Butch and Sundance

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photos. He's got a nice suit. He has a couple of hats.

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That's how you know he's fancy.
He had his like a dress hat for

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pictures, and then he had his
his riding hat, I guess. And

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don't mistake the mustache man. He
had a thick old mustache. Huh oh,

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The thing was immaculate, Yes it
was. It was a boss.

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He was also new to polish his
boots to a high shine, and uh

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so, I don't know any cowboy
that bothering to polish their boots. I

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thought that was That was one of
the most interesting things I think I read

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about him because it says a lot
about his character, like he wants to

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put literally the best foot forward at
all times. Right. Well, yeah,

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he was known to where disguises and
use aliases, and he's obviously not

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the first lawman to do this,
with a lot of the Pinkerton's doing the

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same thing, but not every sheriff
and lawman was not smart, but they're

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not going to these lengths wearing disguises
and aliases to bring guys in. He

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wore two cold pistols and he had
his butts forward in. I guess which

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is you know, used for quick
draw. He's a great shot. He

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was a little uh. He didn't
brag about himself, just saying, you

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know, I'm an okay shot,
but we know, you know, if

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you kill fourteen guys, you're a
pretty good shot. No. Yeah,

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he would head out of town and
he would leave for a couple months rounding

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outlaws. He was paid his fees
and rewards for rounding up the outlaws murders

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and bootleggers in the Indian Territory,
and he made a pretty damn good living

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doing it. He would come home, spent some time with his family,

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and I think he captured two fugitives
in the Red River Valley. He gathered

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a posse, set up up a
camp twenty eight miles from his wagons,

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and the posse they were hiding out
at their mother's house, and a Bass

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made a plan. He hit his
weapons, and he dressed up as a

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tramp, and he arrived at the
mother's house wearing an old pair of shoe's

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dirty clothes, a floppy hat,
and the hat it was I don't know

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how they know, but they said
the hat had three bullet holes in it.

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So apparently somewhere along the road the
line, someone you know wrote that

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and archived. So she invites him
in, you know who offers him a

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bite to eat. He's a pretty
charismatic guy, which seems to be a

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quality of some of her the better
known guys that we've been working on.

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Yeah, and the old lady begins
telling Bass about her two outlaw sons,

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and you know, Bass is telling
her he's an outlaw and he's got these

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warrants out for him, and he
did this, and so she says she

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should join up with them, and
she allows Bass to stay the night.

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And later on that night, the
two sons appear at the house and a

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mom goes outside. She's talking with
them. The three of them come back

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in the house. The sons are
kind of feeling them out, making sure

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he's, you know, an outlaw, and he's telling them about his criminal

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exploits. And then they start telling
them about their criminal exploits, and they

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all decide to together that it's a
good idea to join up. So the

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three men slept in the same room
and I'm guessing these guys probably you know,

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had some drinks. Fast waits for
them to fall asleep, and he

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handcuffs the pair without waking them.
Wow. He wakes him up, walks

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the pair back the twenty eight miles
back. Imagine having to get arrested and

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then having to walk twenty eight miles
to the right. You're gonna get arrested

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now for the picking up these two
guys. He collects five thousand dollars and

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plugging that into the inflation calculator.
That is one hundred and five thousand dollars

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today, and I'm saying I plugged
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it's wrong, it's not my fault. Here's your fingers. So his Indian

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Territory bounties are pretty lucrative. A
lot of of you know, go on

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Google images and look up outlaw wanted
posters. Most of them are one hundred,

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two hundred, maybe five hundred unless
you hit like Jesse James and Butch

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Cassidy, who would be like in
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a lot of your everyday outlaws they're
one hundred to five hundred dollars. So

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getting five thousand dollars or one hundred
and five thousand dollars in today's money for

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two guys, that's that's pretty damn
good. Oh yeah, it's a lot,

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a lot of money, Okay,
And uh, I'm guessing you went

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over this justin where he has to
arrest his son. Well, I mean

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there's some other stuff before that,
like Jim Webb and him shooting his cook.

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But yeah, I mean, I
definitely fiction. So and I know

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you'll you'll go over this. But
you know, obviously there's an accident.

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It was rumored it was an accident
from the whole cook standpoint. But then

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I was listening to an episode or
I think it was something you recommended where

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supposedly they got into a fight and
he did something to a puppy. Did

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we decide which one was something about
the dog? I don't know which which

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story is true? All I know
is, you know, the only people

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who said it wasn't an accident were
the criminals that were there. Yeah,

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everybody else said it was an accident. To be honest with you, Like

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when he went to court, I
don't I can't remember what year this was,

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but yeah, he goes on trial
and the one thing that they brought

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up, they're like, if he
really wanted to kill this guy, like

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purposely, why would he try so
hard to save the guy's life? You

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know, right? It was a
pretty it was a pretty vicious neck wound.

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And that's like I said, he
eventually got him. But it was

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just ironic because Isaac Parker's best deputy
Marshal, ended up being a guy charged

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with murder in front of him and
Isaac Parker. He's known as the hanging

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judge. But in all honesty,
I think the guy saw saw over or

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presided over thirteen thousand cases and he
only hung seventy nine people and they were

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usually the murders and rapists. They
were automatic hangings if they were found guilty,

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which he was just he was a
super fair judge who got a bad

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reputation because I think the very first
time when he took over as a judge

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in that area, he hung like
six people his first day, like all

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at once, right to make a
point, and to make a point,

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yeah, he like lined all six
of them up at once and was like

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listen this hour doing I know,
you know, screw around and find out

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if you want to. But he
was also a very very fair judge.

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He didn't really hang that many people, especially for presiding over that many cases.

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You know, so and it's just
I don't know, really interesting story.

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There were other times where he would, you know, go into certain

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houses and you know he's trying to
arrest people. Like like Matt had mentioned

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earlier, he always had disguised as
he would he would disguise in self as

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this, that or the other.
And he shows up and you know he's

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arresting a couple of guys and he
hands one as you know, the subpoena

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or the arrest warrant. He's like, hey, can you read this to

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me? And as the guy's reading
it, he kind of looks up at

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him. And by that time,
the other guy was on the other side

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of the room inside his house,
and they were kind of feeling each other

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out because they really didn't trust Bass. He was with another guy of his

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as well, so there it was
like a two on two situation and one

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ended up dying. Bass Reeve shot
him. He ended up dying on the

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way to jail. He ended up
making a clean arrest on the other guy

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as well. So he was very
clever and he would use that subpoena trick.

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It is kind of like a well, he's got something in his hand,

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so I know I'm going to get
the drop on him, you know.

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Like I had mentioned earlier, but
there's literally so many stories about this

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guy, it's freaking insane. It
would be interesting if he knew how to

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read and write, where he could
make a journal with all of his different

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cases. It would be fascinating to
read that. Oh absolutely, I can't

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imagine it. Just that would be
a gold mine. Yeah, be a

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pretty awesome story to hear. I
know earlier we talked about Bell Star briefly,

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but apparently Bell Star, who is
also famous for being a female outlaw,

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he had a really good relationship with
her and her husband, and he

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was issued a warrant for her arrest
and to save her time from being chained

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to these filthy prisoners in the countryside
and a really nice iron bar window,

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I guess it on wheels. He
gave her the heads up, and she

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accepted his offer and turned herself in
so she didn't have to be in that

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situation, which I thought was pretty
respectful on both parties. Oh. Absolutely.

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You know we had talked earlier about
you know, when Bass Reeves had

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gotten shot, he had sent for
a doctor. Bell Star was a part

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of that too, and for her
to be an outlaw and respect him that

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much, you know, it says
a lot about who he was exactly.

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I mean, because at that time, you know, outlaws were just out

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for themselves. They didn't really you
know, most of them didn't really care

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about the lawman. Definitely, we
don't have to flow around here. So

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I watched Teams Stone last night while
we're sitting here talking about bass Reeves being

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awesome, like he would catch criminals
in disguise that was like his m O,

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which is super awesome. I'm not
sure how well that worked with him

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being like a six foot two black
guy, you know what I mean?

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Yeah, pretty sure, Yeah,
but I mean it worked though. You

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know, he did this while he
was working in federal courts at Fort Smith,

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Arkansas. But yeah, and uh
in Paris, Texas as well.

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So a lot of times he would
dress up as a drifter, sometimes cowboys,

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sometimes preachers, sometimes a farmer.
I've actually heard more stories of him

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dressing up as like a drifter or
a cowboy more than anything. Yeah,

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I would agree with that, and
he come across too many stories of the

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other two, but which amazes me. Like you said before you go on,

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But like, just like you said, he's six foot two, strong

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built, I'm sure, really heavy
set guy as far as muscles go.

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I mean, there's not any way
to mistake his identity, especially if you're

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on the wrong end of it.
Yeah, exactly, And I would just

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see that stashing bro in all honesty, he had the closest thing to Tom

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Selleck mustache I think I've ever seen. Yes, it was pretty happy him

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and wher Him and White herp had
like the same mustache. But Tom,

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But yeah, there was one time
he got a tip that couple of outlaws

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where we're holed up in a log
cabin. Like I said, he dressed

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up as a farmer and some overalls
and got his wagon stuck on purpose,

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like by a tree stump. And
when the outlaws came to help him get

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unstuck, that's when he pulled out
his guns and got the drop on him

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and arrested him. You know,
Like, how bad would you feel to

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be outlaws? I would be so
mad, dude. I could just hear

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the one guy, the one time
you talked us into helping somebody out.

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This is what happens, you know. But definitely one of the high points

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of his career was apprehending an outlaw
named Bob Dozier. Dozier was known as

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pretty much like a jack of all
trades when it came to crimes, Like

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he wasn't just picking one, he
wasn't just robbing banks, He wasn't just

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holding up stage coaches. He was
rustling cattle and horses and holding up banks,

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stores, stage coaches, murder,
literally everything, Like there was nothing

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this dude wouldn't do. Some mean
dude, very mean dude, and Because

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of that though, he was unpredictable, so you never knew what his next

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move was gonna be or where he
was gonna go. So he was super

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hard to catch and there were a
lot of people that went after him and

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couldn't get him. So of course
Bass Reeves was like one of those people.

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And on December twentieth, eighteen seventy
eight, Dozier he was dodging Reeves

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for quite a few months, and
he ended up tracking him down in the

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Cherokee Nation and Dozier would not surrender, so there was a little bit of

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a gunfight going on and Reeves ended
up killing him. So I mean,

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he ended up getting the drop on
the guy, but didn't get to bring

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him to justice so to speak.
You know. And I can't remember off

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the top of my head, but
if he killed somebody while he was trying

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to retain them, did he get
paid for that or not? Absolutely not,

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because I think he would lose money
and then he would have to he

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would have to bury them out of
his own pocket, wouldn't he. Yeah,

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that was one of the kickers of
why he is known for arresting so

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many people as opposed to killing them. So yeah, I wouldn't want to

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be paid up to bury my enemy. Here's a deal, man, I'm

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getting a shovel. I'm not there's
no gravestone. I got to grab a

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couple of twigs off the branches,
make a little cross, you know.

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But I'm just digging a hole,
man and throwing them in there, because

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I'm not paying for that right away. I don't understand. I read the

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desire was a farm a successful farmer
before this, Yeah, and choose to

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be an outlaw? I know,
Like what makes you choose that? Like,

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I don't know what I'm a guessing. Lack of money. I mean,

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that's what kind of makes the world
go around. That's true. But

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at the end of the day,
like farmers back then, they didn't really

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require all that much money because most
of everything you did yourself, you know.

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But true, this says he was
pretty successful at it so well,

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I just having a bit of land
and acres and cows, wanted to deliver

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that success. Crazy lifestyle, I
guess. I don't know. Like with

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all the shootouts that he got into, there was one. There's an article

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in a nineteen oh six newspaper.
It was an interview with Bass Reeves and

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This was just about four years before
he died in eighteen eighty four. I

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guess was the closest that he actually
came to losing his life in a gunfight.

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And he never really specified when.
But he was writing the Seminal Whiskey

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Trail, and he was looking for
four guys, two white guys and two

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black guys. All four of them
had warrants. And there were these three

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brothers named Brunter who basically interrupted him
while he was trying to serve these warrants.

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These three brothers had been accused of
stealing horses, robbery, and there

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were a bunch of unsolved murders in
the Indian Territory that they were suspected of

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committing. So the Brunners ended up
getting the drop on Reeves. They had

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their guns pointed at him, and
they ordered him to get off of his

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horse and to keep his hands away
from his guns and everything. Reeves being

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Bass Reeves calm, cool, collective, and he showed the brothers the warrants

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for their arrest and asked them what
day of the month it was, so

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that he could make a record for
the government. And the hell laws thought,

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they're like, man, this dude
is crazy. So they told Reeves

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and this is a this is a
direct quote. You were just ready to

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turn in now they were laughing.
They basically let their guard down and bass

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Reeves whips out his colt killed two
of the brothers like super quick, and

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while he was at in the act
of shooting those first two brothers, he

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grabbed the gun barrel of the third
outlaw, the third brother, and he

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shot I think three times, and
they just kind of they missed. So

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Reeves hit the third brother in the
head with his revolver and killed him.

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And like Julia just said, if
you don't bring in the outlaws, you

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don't collect any money. So there's
no But he was mad too, because

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you know, he didn't want to
kill him. But yeah, at the

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end of the day, though,
you got three fewer bad guys who were

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killing people in the Indian territory.
So, I mean, bass Reeves wasn't

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wasn't too mad about it, but
he was pretty easiest, like, well,

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you know, I'm getting paid today, you know. Yeah, there

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was a lot that happened in eighteen
eighty four. Actually there was him and

407
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:51.559
another law man from Choctaw Nation,
a guy named Charles wild Floor, they

408
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:55.519
arrested a horse thief from Texas named
Robert Landers, and they rested him in

409
00:34:55.599 --> 00:35:01.800
Fort Smith and then one of the
best gunfights happened. And this is the

410
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:07.440
full Jim Webb story. Jim Webb
was he was a foreman, and he

411
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:13.280
was a foreman on the Washington mcclish
ranch in the Chocsaw Nation. He was

412
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:17.559
like him and Reeves were like nemesis, like they were each other's arch nemesis.

413
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:24.239
So what happens is a black preacher
who owns a small farm adjacent to

414
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:30.880
this ranch. He had set this
fire to kind of burn. You know

415
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:34.920
some we do. Honestly, we
do this around here all the time.

416
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.519
I'm sure Matt Yep control burns.
Yeah, it's control burns. If a

417
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:43.320
lot of farmers do this. Well, he got out of control and the

418
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:49.719
fire spread onto the Washington mcclish ranch. Webb goes over there and he just

419
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.320
starts yelling at this preacher, you
know, him being a black preacher like

420
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:57.880
Webb was a very well known super
racist dude. So that just topped it

421
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:02.039
off right there. So even after
yelling at the dude, Jim Webb still

422
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.679
wasn't happy. So he ended up
shooting the guy to death. So Webb

423
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.039
was a bad, bad guy.
Anybody can look him up. He was,

424
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:15.280
he was, definitely, but he
had killed eleven men while he was

425
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:21.719
in the Brausos River region around Texas. He had no problems with that.

426
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:30.360
Now Reeves did arrest Webb with no
problems whatsoever. And when his friends raised

427
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:37.039
a hundred thousand dollars to bail him
out of jail, Wow, he jumped

428
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.320
his bond. That's a lot of
money today. I can't imagine what it

429
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.719
would be like in nineteen eighty four. That's exactly what I thought too,

430
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:47.239
because I was like, there's got
to be I was like, this is

431
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:51.440
the conversion, isn't right? Like
this has got to be in today's money,

432
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.920
And they're like, no, I
think I've just realized I didn't need

433
00:36:54.039 --> 00:37:00.199
rich friends. Yeah, yeah,
apparently, And what I do. I'd

434
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.079
been dying in jail. I think
what happened was they probably went out and

435
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.760
robbed and killed a bunch of people
and probably just stole the money more than

436
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:13.320
likely, but oh probably. Yeah. And June Reeves found him again,

437
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:20.320
and he found him at Bywater's store
and is in the foothills of Arbuckle Mountains,

438
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.559
of the Arbuckle Mountains. Webb says, I'm not going to surrender this

439
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:30.440
time. So the two men had
a running gunfight. It's like a both

440
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:35.800
fight with guns. Yeah. Well, this is where Reeves got the He

441
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.480
got shot through the top of his
hat, bullet barely missed him. And

442
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:45.920
then Webb shot one of the buttons
off of his jacket, barely missed him.

443
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:51.199
Reeves got off of his horse and
he took out his Winchester rifle and

444
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:55.960
he shot Webb twice from about a
quarter mile away. Wow. Yeah,

445
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:02.440
And even though that sounds unbelievable,
one of the best parts is that several

446
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:09.320
witnesses, including the owner of the
store, all corroborated this story like they're

447
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:15.400
the ones who told this story,
not Bass Reeves. So that's pretty awesome

448
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:22.639
in my book personally, as two
bullets were a quarter inch apart in his

449
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:29.159
chest, so two shots almost the
same exact spot. How good you have

450
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:34.360
to be? Man's amazing. It
really is, though, And I mean

451
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.079
it's funny because you always hear there
were a bunch of stories I heard.

452
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:44.840
I think it was on a documentary
or I read them somewhere where Bass Reeves

453
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.920
when he would go to Indian Territory. They would always have contests for like

454
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:53.000
turkey and you know, food and
stuff like that. They would hang the

455
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:59.760
turkey upside down and you had to
ride on your horse and shoot the turkey,

456
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:04.480
and whoever did it got the turkey. Reeves on more than one occasion,

457
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:09.000
would participate in these events and he
wouldn't even shoot the body. He

458
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:14.320
literally shoot the head off the turkey. And so it got to the point

459
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.440
where people were like, he was
so good with a rifle, he was

460
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:23.079
ambidextrious, so good with pistols.
They finally are like, you're not allowed

461
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:27.920
to come player games anymore, dude, because I was just gonna say,

462
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:32.159
mc reeves, go nest. It's
like you're killing the fun for everybody.

463
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:36.880
Man. You know, I grew
up in Detroit, and you'd think i'd

464
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:42.119
be familiar with guns from that,
But I moved to Minnesota and I started

465
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.760
going to gun class and all that
fun stuff, just because uneducated person needs

466
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.599
to educate themselves about guns, in
my opinion, But I went and to

467
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:57.559
have a distance between that, like
consistently and that good is so impressive considering

468
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:01.480
I'm not a great shot. I'm
still practicing, but It's amazing to hear

469
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:07.039
stuff like that makes me want to
like be just like Reeves pretty much.

470
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:12.599
Yeah, you probably get that whole
like you probably got a cute little hat

471
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.639
you know that you go out there
and wear too, Julie, don't you.

472
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:22.280
I don't actually throw a little fake
spurs on your nikes. No,

473
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:28.119
if I ever get good like Grieves, I will, okay, changing,

474
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:34.960
Yeah, yeah, she puts put
spurs on her crocks. You know what.

475
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:39.119
I stopped wearing crocs three years ago. Spurs on your rugs. I

476
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.840
don't have ugs, but thank you. I appreciate your yeah, man.

477
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:50.119
So it was it was stuff like
this that made Reeves super well known and

478
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:55.360
super famous and one of the best
Deputy US Marshals in the Indian Territory.

479
00:40:55.519 --> 00:41:00.119
To be honesty, he more than
likely was the best. And this is

480
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:06.559
after reconstruction, Okay, So it
was it was pretty rare to find any

481
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:13.880
kind of like black federal policeman anywhere, but the Indian Territory was full of

482
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.400
them for obvious reasons, like we
had talked about earlier, which is so

483
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:23.519
smart. Honestly, yes, very
smart. They just had a bone to

484
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:28.960
pick, and I tell you what
they thought they were some great marshals,

485
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:31.599
you know what I mean great?
There were, I guess a number.

486
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.679
Wise, I saw that they were
at least fifty that served in the Indian

487
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:43.079
territory. So he was definitely not
the only one. But let's be honest,

488
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.960
he was. He was the best. And because white or black,

489
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:49.599
that didn't matter, he was still
one of the best. Part of that

490
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:53.519
was because he was super strong,
lean, very intelligent, six foot two,

491
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:59.840
one hundred and eighty pounds, amazing
with any kind of weapon. You

492
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.679
can't compete with that, you know
what I mean. There are stories of

493
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.199
him beating up two guys, you
know, at the same time, you

494
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.760
know, and this is what he
just beat up to. A couple dudes,

495
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:15.039
you know. And like I said, he's just great with his weapons.

496
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:22.000
And his favorite one was his Winchester
rifle. And of course he had

497
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.280
three revolvers, two of which would
be facing but forward in his belt so

498
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.719
he could reach him easier. And
like I said, again, there were

499
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:38.840
more than one newspaper that said during
his career that he killed fourteen outlaws.

500
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:44.239
A lot of people suggest that number
is a lot higher. There's people who

501
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.480
suggest it's a lot lower. Do
we have a total of how many rests

502
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:52.840
he made or how many warrants he
collected, About three thousand. Yeah,

503
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.760
it seems to be the number out
of that. Like, that's not bad

504
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:02.199
considering he didn't get paid for fourteen
of them exactly. And I think that

505
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:08.760
honestly had a lot to do with
the amount of arrest compared to the outlaws

506
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:14.199
that he killed. Huge penis.
Oh, I'm sure he did. Yeah,

507
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:20.960
number number four, good number four. Oh my god. Yeah,

508
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.960
I mean seen the look on my
face, dude. On one occasion,

509
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:31.000
he uh brought in seventeen horse thieves
at once in Comanche County, which is

510
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:37.079
right, uh, right near Fort
Sill, which the fort's still there,

511
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.920
man, still operates army. It's
army base. I lived there for a

512
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:45.599
year. My dad was in the
army. Nice. Yeah, Like I

513
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:49.679
said, Man, a lot of
people from Texas would venture because it's not

514
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:54.559
that far, and you know,
they would go and steal horses from a

515
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:59.559
lot of the Indian residents and stuff
like that. Yeah. April eighth,

516
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:05.119
eighteen eighty four is one of the
days. And that's kind of odd.

517
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:09.639
In question, he was on a
trip in the Chocsaw Nation. This is

518
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:15.239
when Reeves shot and killed his cook, William Leech, who was also a

519
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.360
black guy, And we had talked
about this a little bit earlier. There

520
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.679
were stories about it being the dog. There were stories about them arguing.

521
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:30.599
This one in particular tells about they
were camped right there by near the Canadian

522
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:37.039
River and I guess him and Leech
had an argument. Yeah, he supposedly

523
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:43.280
and accidentally, which I don't see
Reeves as purposely doing that to an innocent

524
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:45.920
person. I really, yeah.
I don't think he would shoot someone just

525
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:51.280
because he's mad at them. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, with everything that

526
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:53.440
we've heard so far, I have
a hard time believing this was done on

527
00:44:53.559 --> 00:45:00.480
purpose. Yeah. One of the
most popular stories is that lee Each had

528
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:06.239
poured hot grease down the throat of
a puppy that Reeves had had with him.

529
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:13.480
That's when Reeves shot the cook.
But like I said, there's so

530
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.880
many different accounts, because here's a
deal. The only people the posse and

531
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:21.280
then the guys that they had with
them that they were, you know,

532
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:27.000
taken in for bounties. The outlaws
that were with them say that he murdered

533
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.960
him. But they got into an
argument, and everybody brought up the dog.

534
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:32.639
The other guys in the posse are
like, no, it was that

535
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.760
it was an accident. Dude,
Like, he didn't really do it on

536
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.639
purpose. So we don't know exactly
what happened. But like, character wise,

537
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:43.559
I just don't see it. Man, I don't see him doing that

538
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:49.440
on purpose. But oh, so
when he was he was arrested, Well,

539
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.679
the murderer wasn't It was kind of
cleared for a little bit because it

540
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:57.519
happened under one judge, wasn't it. Yeah, and then a judge turned

541
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:02.559
over and then yeah, they investigated
it and arrested him, and then he

542
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:07.079
went into one of the most what
was it called hell on Earth for the

543
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:14.239
jails, which that jail in itself, I just can't even put into words

544
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:19.599
how that was. But it was
a woman. She made a comment about

545
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.920
how there was only two open windows
that was facing the street. It was

546
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:30.559
directly below the judge's office or the
courtroom, and there was barely any light

547
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.320
because it was just the light coming
from the windows. There was no drafts,

548
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.239
there was no air movement, so
everything was very pungent. They only

549
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:45.719
had one bucket pur cell and the
guards would wet the stones to try to

550
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:50.199
clear the air. But however,
it's hot, humid, so it just

551
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:54.880
made everything stink, It made everything
miserable. It was just hell on earth

552
00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:00.000
and everybody hated it. And he
was there for quite some time hill he

553
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:05.000
was brought out of the jail I
think. I think after a couple of

554
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.599
weeks or maybe a couple of months
he was in there, one of the

555
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:12.079
judges ordered him out and had his
trial. Ye. So unfortunately he was

556
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.320
with other people that he actually brought
in. So if you can imagine his

557
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:19.800
life was already at risk as it
was, and in being in that environment

558
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.400
of disease and the stench, like, can you imagine how that was in

559
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:28.800
Texas? Yeah, probably pretty horrible. I'm gonna ask Fort Smith Jail.

560
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:34.360
It only had two basically two rooms
in that bottom and it was a where

561
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:38.840
they held Confederate prisoners during the Civil
War. But there's only two basically big

562
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:45.119
cells. Over one hundred guys in
both those cells. They're not split up

563
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:50.599
at all as to violent crime or
you know, any kind of different crime.

564
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:53.599
Black, white, right, Indian, they're all. And I heard

565
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:59.599
that they would put the pot of
you know, bathroom material in the fireplace.

566
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:06.960
So the yeah, the stench can
rise through the fireplace, which they

567
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.719
often said they would they could smell
it upstairs in the courtrooms, so they

568
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:15.119
would pour withood shavings on the floor. You have been to smell a little.

569
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:20.679
Yeah, that's so horrible, man, I tell you what. Though,

570
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:25.440
like a eighteen eighty seven that he
did go on trial for killing the

571
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.079
killing of the cook. In an
ironic twist of events, his judge was

572
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:37.199
Isaac Parker, who he worked for. Yeah, and literally like this was

573
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:42.679
his best deputy, you know what
I mean, Yeah, I gotta get

574
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:47.079
this guy out. Yeah, unbelievable. It sounds like a mostly all white

575
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:52.719
jury still acquitted him almost immediately.
Parker's like, okay, we're good.

576
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:58.440
Like here, I need you to
serve these warrants for me. Get back

577
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:05.280
to work, dude. But I
mean Isaac Parker, like everybody refers to

578
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.480
him as a hanging judge. I
think he tried God, I can't even

579
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:14.880
remember how many. I think fourteen
thousand cases and he only I think that's

580
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:19.199
what you said, yeah, seventeen
people. So he was really a hanging

581
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:22.920
judge. He was a very fair
judge too, though, but a very

582
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.679
letter of the law kind of yes, very straight arrow yeah. He ended

583
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.079
up getting acquitted, found innocent,
so he gets released, gets back to

584
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:36.320
work. By eighteen ninety, Reeves
arrested a very notorious outlaw and he was

585
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.880
a seminal outlaw named green Leaf.
He had been on the run for eighteen

586
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:46.320
years and had evaded capture, and
he had murdered seven people. Reeves tracked

587
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:52.159
him down, got to him man. In that same year, again,

588
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:58.599
Reeves went after the famous Cherokee outlaw, ned Christie Reeves and his posse.

589
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.960
They they burned own that dude's house
and he still ended up getting away.

590
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:07.320
I'm not really sure what became them
to be honest, great head of hair.

591
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.079
Diddy pictures of them. I think
that was his picture I saw.

592
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.960
Oh that's great. I'm gonna have
to that's a random effect of the name.

593
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:21.039
I think Matt's standing out or something, because this kind of sound like

594
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:25.760
a little like envy there in your
voice. Man, it's the hats little

595
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:34.360
changing out. I'm pretty good so
far, I'm great, great, great.

596
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:38.079
Yeah, he took shots at me
and now he's taking shots at you.

597
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:44.480
Matt going on over there justin I
don't know. I I've been I've

598
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.960
been driving back and forth feisty.
Well, today was the first day of

599
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:52.119
snowed in Indiana, so I'm not
really happy about that. You know.

600
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.320
I think we got ours yesterday.
Oh so mad Oh yeah, we just

601
00:50:55.440 --> 00:51:00.280
got ours today too. But it's
not like laying or anything. Yeah,

602
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:05.599
it didn't stick around very long,
but yeah. And in eighteen ninety three,

603
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.599
Reeves ends up getting transferred to the
East Texas Federal Court at Paris,

604
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:15.360
Texas. He was stationed at Calvin
in the Choctaw Nation. He took his

605
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:22.280
prisoners to the Federal commissioner at Paul's
Valley in the Chocsaw Nation. While he

606
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.360
was there, he broke up the
Tom Story Gang. And they were a

607
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:32.119
gang of horse thieves that operated all
along the Red River Valley right there around

608
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:37.960
Texas, Oklahoma area. And what
year was this justin I can't remember for

609
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.039
sure the year that he broke up
the gang. I know he got his

610
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:45.159
eighteen eighty nine, eighteen eighty eighty, Yeah, well he is. He's

611
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:49.800
assigned to Paris, Texas in eighteen
eighty nine. Oh okay, okay,

612
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:54.239
all right, I had my dates
messed up there and corrections corner. No,

613
00:51:54.480 --> 00:52:00.280
hey, Julie was right, No, he was right. I'm with

614
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:07.920
it. No, this is this
was Mely was right. The recording doesn't

615
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:14.199
count. My thought. My thinking
was it was the Emancipation Proclamation, but

616
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:19.679
that wouldn't have affected the Indian territories. It only would have affected states under

617
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:23.000
Union control. Okay. So when
she said eighteen sixty five, she was

618
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:29.320
correct, Okay, and I was
wrong. I was wrong, Thank you.

619
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:32.719
I appreciate that. Oh man um, I will say this. In

620
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:37.760
eighteen ninety six Bass's first wife died. That was a pretty big loss for

621
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:42.360
him. Yeah. Her name was
Nellie, and they had eleven children.

622
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.159
Yeah. Yeah, she was a
looker too. Yeah, she was very

623
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:50.480
beautiful woman. She was. And
even though a lot of people were like,

624
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:52.280
well, how bad could it have
been, he was always he was

625
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.960
always gone, you know. But
it's like, dude, still a guy's

626
00:52:55.039 --> 00:53:00.239
wife. And I would imagine after
eleven children and being together that long that

627
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:04.880
they would have some type of bond. Oh of course. Now yeah sure.

628
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.039
But also this year is a huge
thing, and that was the plus

629
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:15.480
e versus Ferguson. This was a
Supreme Court decision, and this upheld the

630
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:23.519
constitutionality of racial segregation under the Separate
but Equal Doctrine and what this meant for

631
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:30.800
Bass Reeves is even though he was
a leader in his community, he was

632
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:34.840
one of the best law enforcement officers
at the Wild West had ever seen,

633
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:40.760
hands down, it still meant that
he could not go into his own town

634
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.119
and sit in a restaurant with white
people and eat, or go to a

635
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:52.480
saloon with white people and eat.
And for everything that he did, I

636
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:58.840
think that is just well him being
you know, as we've read and mentioned

637
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:04.519
in the past, he was pretty
rare as a black ranger, and especially

638
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:09.119
now in his life, especially with
this law passing, he would feel isolated

639
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:14.559
and singled out, wouldn't he.
Oh yeah, And this just added to

640
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:19.360
it now, right, And I
mean the people, I mean, for

641
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:22.760
the most part, dude, even
the outlaws respected this guy, you know

642
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:29.280
what I mean. And obviously Isaac
Parker loved Reeves, you know, because

643
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:30.960
he was the best. You know, he's the best marshal he had,

644
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:35.960
so you know, it was just
it was kind of a not even kind

645
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:37.960
of it was a huge slap in
the face. And that part kind of

646
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:44.039
really upset me, just because of
his stature and his reputation. And then

647
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:49.599
this, you know, but the
next year, Reeves ended up getting transferred

648
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:54.360
to the Muskogee Federal Court in Indian
Territory, and a few years later,

649
00:54:54.639 --> 00:55:02.440
in nineteen hundred, bass Reeves remarries
Mary's woman named Winnie Sumter. I didn't

650
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.880
really, I'll be honest. I
didn't look too much information into her.

651
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.239
I'm just gonna throw that out there
because there's enough going on with bass Reeves

652
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:15.559
all the time, you know,
so it's like all right in nineteen oh

653
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:22.199
two is one of the hardest parts
of bass Reeves's life. In nineteen oh

654
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:27.679
okay, early nineteen hundred's his son
Benny. All Right. Benny had walked

655
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.719
in on his wife cheating on him
a couple of times. He went to

656
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.119
his dad and says, well,
you know what should I do about it?

657
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.039
Bass Reeves told him, you know
what, I would have shot that

658
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.519
dude, and you know, gave
her a good beating. In nineteen oh

659
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:46.679
two, Benny walks in on her
doing it again, and he ends up

660
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:53.239
beating the dude up and killing her. So he has worn out for domestic

661
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:59.199
murder and Muskegee Muskogee, Yeah,
Muscogee. God, I can't believe I

662
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.280
pronounced that wrong. So, I
mean, the dude's got to go after

663
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:06.960
his own son at you know,
and he, if I remember correctly,

664
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:10.519
he took that warrant. I don't
think they wanted him to be the one

665
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.719
to serve it, but he was
like, no, I'm going to do

666
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.639
it. You know, it's my
kid. And obviously, with bass Reeves's

667
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.360
knowledge and experience, it really you
know, it didn't take him too long

668
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:27.880
to find the kid. You know, he brought in his kid and he

669
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.519
ended up getting convicted and he got
sent to Leavenworth. I can't remember exactly

670
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:35.960
what his sentence was. I think
he did what like eighteen years or twelve

671
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:39.320
years. I think he did eleven
and got off for good behavior and just

672
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:44.400
lived like a normal life after that. Yeah, yeah, I remember that

673
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:47.599
part. So yeah, I'm moving
forward in uh nineteen oh seven, and

674
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:54.320
he's still doing his police work.
I mean, the dude talking to the

675
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:59.079
dude is so old, but he
was still so awesome, you know what

676
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:04.679
I mean. Like he worked until
Oklahoma achieved the statehood in nineteen oh seven,

677
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:09.440
and that's when he became a city
policeman for Muscogee and that was the

678
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:13.199
only thing he knew and that was
what he was good at. But he

679
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:19.480
didn't really last too long, because
on January twelfth, nineteen ten, he

680
00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:24.039
died of what was known at the
time as Bright's disease, which is also

681
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:29.119
a kidney disease or kidney failure.
Yeah, you know, I don't think

682
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:31.000
it'd be a good obviously, no, no way is a good way to

683
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:36.599
go. But hopefully he died peacely
in his bed as opposed to getting shot

684
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:42.239
off of his horse or something.
Right, making it to seventy one in

685
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.760
that, you know at that time
you're doing pretty good, yeah, I

686
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:50.519
would say, and especially in his
line of work, right, yeah,

687
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:57.480
right, So I wonder what the
average age was for a deputy in Indian

688
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:01.280
Territory. Yeah, honestly I'm curious
as to that too. For how many

689
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:07.079
days they would last on the jocket? A day three? Yeah, you

690
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:14.360
have a life expectancy of three days. Exactly as your listeners just found out

691
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:22.599
there was he led a crazy,
interesting, very productive life. But yeah,

692
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:24.559
what did what did you guys think? I found out that he was

693
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:29.239
a great uncle of Paul L.
Brady, who became the first black man

694
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:34.719
appointed as a federal administrative law judge
in nineteen seventy two, and apparently he

695
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:38.559
has a great great great grandson in
the NHL, and is his name is

696
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:44.599
Ryan Reeves yep, which his last
name is spelled R E A V S.

697
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.920
Which I'm guessing is just a family
changed to the name. They live

698
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:52.559
in Canada now, so I think
it pay got changed. Yeah, I

699
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:59.920
don't know. Another I don't think
in my personal opinion, I don't think

700
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.639
this is true. But there's a
rumor a historian by the name of Art

701
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:07.639
Bruton so that Reeves was the inspiration
for the character of the Lone Ranger.

702
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:12.719
I don't know if that's true,
but it's food for thought. He said

703
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:16.320
that his argument was based on the
sheer number of people Reeves arrested without taking

704
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:22.960
any serious injury, coupled with the
fact that many of these arrested were incarcerated

705
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:27.639
in the Detroit House of Correction in
the same city where the Lone Ranger radio

706
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:31.320
plays were broadcasting. So I don't
know if that's true, but it's interesting

707
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:37.039
to think about. There were some
other similarities, like what was the Lone

708
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:43.679
Ranger's sidekick, Tonto Tanto? So
bass Reeves always had a Native American with

709
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:49.760
him. The black mask that the
Lone Ranger wore. I guess was kind

710
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:53.440
of like a symbolic thing, not
only because bass Reeves was black, but

711
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:59.119
because he also wore disguises all the
time to try to catch people. And

712
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:02.960
then the horse Lone Ranger had a
white horse and bass Reefs had like a

713
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:08.360
light gray one which would look white
from a distance. So I mean they

714
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:14.599
never, like said for sure,
but the similarities are definitely there. I

715
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:17.199
mean there's an argument for it.
Yeah, And I just thought it was

716
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:22.559
cool. I just I would have
never made the connection, but I thought

717
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:24.480
it was pretty interesting to say the
least. Oh for sure. Yeah,

718
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:29.679
definitely. And in nineteen ninety two
he was inducted into the Hall of Great

719
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:34.239
Westerners and the National Cowboy and Western
Heritage Museum, which I think is a

720
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:37.239
good privilege for him. Yeah,
definitely. I don't know if that's the

721
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.760
right word, but I think it's
a great honor for him. I know

722
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:46.119
they made a big old brownze statue
of them too. I can't remember the

723
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:50.199
year right off top of my head, but I don't know. I don't

724
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:55.360
think people realize like he was honored
in twenty twelve. Okay, he was.

725
01:00:55.599 --> 01:01:01.000
He was pretty highly regarded in his
time, and then because of people

726
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:09.199
like wyat Been, Jesse James and
all the number one too famous lawmen or

727
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:14.559
outlaws, whatever the case was.
I think for a time period, you

728
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:17.440
know, unless you were from that
region. I mean, I knew about

729
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:22.920
Bass Reeves and I'm into this stuff, but I never really like looked into

730
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:30.000
them. You know. It's it's
funny because I think the literature that schools

731
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:34.719
used to teach history is severely lacking, and I think most of it has

732
01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:37.079
to do with who they want to
honor, who they want to showcase,

733
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:40.840
and who's important. And depending on
what area you're from, you're not going

734
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:46.119
to know about certain people. And
I think now that people are have access

735
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:51.440
to the internet, you know,
more than they used to twenty thirty years

736
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:55.840
ago. I think it's really important
and exciting because we all have the knowledge

737
01:01:55.880 --> 01:02:02.760
at our fingertips to learn about these
people who helped shaped the West and law.

738
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:08.280
And it's just it's fascinating because as
a kid, I didn't have any

739
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:13.559
access to this unless somebody knew who
he was at EPP go to the library.

740
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:17.599
You know, it's just so so
cool. Yeah, how many black

741
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:25.320
cowboys did we lose their story to
Jim Crow era, which is so sad.

742
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:29.760
And I think region has a lot
to do with it too, you

743
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:32.840
know what I mean, Because there's
people probably you know, from this region

744
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:37.360
around Oklahoma and Texas who grew up
here in stories about this as opposed to

745
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:44.920
me in northern Indiana, where all
we heard about was the mafia from Chicago

746
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:49.679
and John Dillinger and stuff like that. So I think region does being a

747
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:53.760
factory a little bit. I just
it's it's just so cool to be able

748
01:02:53.840 --> 01:03:00.719
to dig up disinformation and get the
truth and show others and tell people about

749
01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:06.559
it. It's just learning about him
was an honor to be honest. Yeah,

750
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:10.360
definitely. I this is a hard
statement. It's not really a hard

751
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:17.559
statement. It's a it's going to
be hard to find somebody to do an

752
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:25.079
episode about that is going to be
single handedly more amazing than Bass Reeves.

753
01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:30.719
Like, it's gonna be hard.
It's gonna be hard to top this guy

754
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:37.880
because and I encourage everybody to go
watch some documentaries, read some books.

755
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:42.800
There's plenty of books out about this
guy where they get into way more detail.

756
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:47.360
But it's gonna be hard to top, hard to top Bass Reeves Man,

757
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:53.400
definitely. Yeah, So what did
you think Matt. I think he's

758
01:03:53.400 --> 01:04:00.119
an incredible person. And I had
read the little blurbs about him in like

759
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:04.159
the Time Life History of the True
West books. You know, he's always

760
01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:10.760
in there, but never knew three
thousand arrests come on. Yeah, and

761
01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:15.639
never never got a shot. I
mean he came close several times, but

762
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:20.039
never actual taking a bullet wound.
I had heard he got shot in the

763
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:26.880
leg. I couldn't believe it.
Oh did he Yeah, because that's where

764
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:30.079
he met. Didn't Bell Star help
him with his life? Yeah? But

765
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:34.760
still though, I mean, arresting
three thousand dangerous outlaws in Indian Territory.

766
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:42.280
There were there were times like I'm
pretty sure when dudes found out that Bass

767
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:45.800
Reefs was coming for him, he
was just, Oh, I'm just gonna

768
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:49.280
go to the courthouse. You know, he's going to deal with this.

769
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:55.679
And then Fort Smith's reputation was so
bad that that was, you know,

770
01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:59.079
one of the things people were like, I'm not going to Fort Smith,

771
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:02.000
so I'm going to shoot out.
Yeah yeah, Like suicide by Cowboy,

772
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:12.800
Yeah yeah, Cowboy. You know
it's from escaping and enslavement, fleeing for

773
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:18.960
his life, growing up and learning
the Indian ways and becoming a respected cowboy,

774
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:25.920
being African American and having two wives
eleven children, and having all of

775
01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:28.559
those arrests, and going through what
he went through when the laws were changing

776
01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:32.239
about segregation. It just and having
to arrest his own son for murder,

777
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:36.159
you know. Yeah, and not
even living long enough to have his son

778
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:41.280
come out and know that he didn't
die in jail. Like you know,

779
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:45.679
as a father, he probably lived
his dying days thinking about his son constantly.

780
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:50.119
Oh for sure. He just lives
such an amazing life. And it's

781
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:55.440
just I have a lot of respect
for him. He seemed like a great

782
01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:59.360
man. Yeah, like a real
life superhero to be honest with you.

783
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:02.320
Yeah, like the Black Clark Count. Yeah, like if we told all

784
01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:08.000
the stories on this episode, it'd
be like six hours long. It's un

785
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:13.360
a real miniseries. Yeah, honestly, there could be. There should be

786
01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:16.760
a podcast dedicated to basster use.
Yeah, and they would have content for

787
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:21.920
days. But anyway, Yeah,
so I guess I won't be here on

788
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:28.800
the next episode. So either Julian
Matter flying solo or Mike's gonna step in

789
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:31.920
for me. I'm gonna get that
Patreon or have a guest. You might

790
01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:36.719
have a guest toast. Yeah,
and for those things. We all love

791
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:43.199
Mike Mike first. I would definitely
ask Mike first. I think he'd be

792
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.480
down, but you got to come
at him with a good episode. I

793
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:50.519
don't know that's true. Um,
just what we're wrapping things up. We're

794
01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:56.079
on Facebook, Twitter, not or
not Twitter, excuse me, I'm on

795
01:06:56.199 --> 01:07:01.719
Instagram. So on Facebook Instagram ignore
Twitter accounts. Yeah, he's an imposters.

796
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:06.760
Yeah. We're also on Patreon and
I we just again want to say

797
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:13.559
thank you for sticking with us after
the hiatus and we're really happy to be

798
01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:15.800
back. And I also wanted to
say thank you to Justin for kind of

799
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:21.320
taking a lead and showing us the
ropes and kind of keeping us in line.

800
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:26.360
He's he's a great um, a
great person to work with, So

801
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:29.760
thank you. Yeah, it's not
possible without him. I just do the

802
01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:33.599
editing. Man. It's which.
Don't get me wrong, Well, I

803
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:39.480
think I think you're selling yourself short. You're You're a great person to work

804
01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:42.239
with, So we just I just
wanted to say thank you. I appreciate

805
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.159
that I do, Don't get me
wrong. I will enjoy the next episode

806
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:47.760
off. But I'm also going to
be working on the Patreon content. So

807
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:51.840
that's what I'm going to be doing
with my with my episode off, I'm

808
01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:57.559
going to be uploading a huge,
huge Jesse James episode. I got to

809
01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:01.920
go through it, patch it all
together and kind of who have never listened

810
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:05.679
to his or his or his gosh, why am I stuttering so bad?

811
01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:13.840
For those who haven't listened to his
podcast Mysterious Circumstances, highly highly recommend this

812
01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:17.640
Jesse James episode. This is what
like made me fall into Justin's trap,

813
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:24.000
like this was this was it.
It's funny because I actually got a review

814
01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:30.000
like a month ago or something on
on MC and it said I found this

815
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:33.720
podcast because of Blood and Dust and
I'm like, first time ever, that's

816
01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:45.159
awesome. I know we came this
one, don't say yet we're not.

817
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:49.119
It's like I always tell people are
thing and yet it's like, choose wisely

818
01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:53.279
if you go to MC, because
I got a whole bunch of different kinds

819
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:56.399
of stuff on there. But but
yeah, oh you go to MC and

820
01:08:56.439 --> 01:09:01.039
you'll get lost, like you won't
resurface for years. And Jesse James like

821
01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:04.760
just for those of you on Patreon
and you're like, oh, I haven't

822
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:09.039
heard the Jesse James one yet.
Just wait for it to be on Patreon

823
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:13.279
because it'll be ad free. It's
all gonna be patched together, re edited,

824
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:19.359
and I'm even gonna throw in the
extra couple episodes about his death and

825
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:26.319
you know some of the circumstances around
that, the conspiracy behind it and stuff.

826
01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:30.079
But yeah, yeah, so,
I mean it's gonna all put into

827
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:34.199
one episode. I'll be honest with
you, I don't know how long that

828
01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:39.319
one episode is gonna be, so
I don't know. Maybe I'll split it

829
01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:42.560
up into two, like his life
and then his death or something. But

830
01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:48.199
man created the pause button on your
listening devices, So I mean that's very

831
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:55.159
true. You'll be fine, very
true. All right, Well, I

832
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:59.880
suppose Kyle Pokes. I don't know
why I thought of Matt when I said

833
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:09.199
that word, because it's something Matt
would say. Hey, y'all post before

834
01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:12.239
we go, though, Matt,
where's your where's your next job? Where's

835
01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:16.159
your fun historical job site at next
Somerset, Pennsylvania? What are you going

836
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:27.119
to be doing there? I am
chicking a eighteen twenty six log cabin eighteen

837
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:31.239
twenty to require photos. Thank you, Wow and it's it's not too far

838
01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:35.039
from the Flight ninety three memorial.
Oh that's that's cool, man, that

839
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:39.520
would be something. There's a new
rule any job you go to you need

840
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:43.319
to post a year end photos please
thank you, and bring a metal detector.

841
01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:45.760
And for those of you listeners who
are not in the group, Matt

842
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:49.439
posts these pictures from all of his
work sites that he goes to, and

843
01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:55.000
he actually did take a metal detector
to one of them like a month ago

844
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:58.880
and found some cool stuff. Posted
some pictures in the Facebook group. Yeah,

845
01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:04.720
some really cool stuff. If there
was a seventeen twenty six Britannica English

846
01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:12.439
penny, h two buttons, one
French and one English, a lot of

847
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:18.399
shoes and uh something inappropriate magazines,
Yeah there was there. There was some

848
01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:26.399
some old nudy. How much is
that penny worth? I don't think I

849
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:30.359
looked up like a nice new one
or yeah a new one and a one

850
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:35.000
in mint shape was like one hundred
and twenty five dollars. So frame it,

851
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:38.680
just frame it and keep it.
Do you get to keep the items

852
01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:41.800
that you find or do you have
to give them to the people hiring you

853
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:45.560
to do the job or the people
who own the property. How does that

854
01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:57.840
work. I'm not gonna say job
like chaminate them, Julie. If it

855
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:01.680
would have been something of great value, we would have gave it to the

856
01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:06.560
landowner. Well, here's the deal. If the landowner hasn't gone out too,

857
01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:12.520
then that's their own fault. So
them, Yeah, came on them.

858
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:16.359
That place was neat too, because
there was a Civil War camp in

859
01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:21.039
eighteen sixty one there. That's awesome. I didn't see photos of that camp

860
01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:27.319
in the area. I mean,
come on, it's just woods. It's

861
01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:30.520
trees. I can go out back
and take pictures of trees and tell you

862
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:42.800
to Civil War Justin's. That would
be great, or that would be really

863
01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:50.239
great. Yeah. I got to
keep a clean Justin's and that's yeah.

864
01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:55.079
That's what people don't realize when they
go to MC. It's like, wow,

865
01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:59.279
man, this guy's got one foul
mile. It's like yeah, yeah,

866
01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:01.640
yeah, do you sometimes and even
kiss this is mama with that.

867
01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:08.720
Mama used to my Momaill also used
to slap it too whenever I back talk.

868
01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:12.720
So there's a with rings on.
All right, Well, thank you

869
01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:15.800
guys, yeah, all right,
well, thank you guys for listening.

870
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:19.319
We appreciate it. Say you guys
taking this journey. Yeah, for sure,

871
01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:25.840
see you guys later. Yeah,
there it is. Oh my god,

872
01:13:27.279 --> 01:14:26.479
where are you born? Alabama?
Yeah, m hm hm an dear

873
01:14:27.439 --> 01:15:00.359
man and h