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Well off of a weekend that has
seen both Xander Ziaz and Bruce Carrington win

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their fights in the Top rank Boxing
show at the Madison Square Garden Theater.

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A weekend that also in New York
saw Oscar Colazzo win on a Hall of

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Fame weekend at the Turning Stone Resort
in Verona, New York and defend his

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WBO Strawway title. And was it
the end of Adrian Broner in South Florida.

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For this weekend, we're ready to
talk about all that and more.

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It is the Fight Freaks United Recap
podcast. I am the somewhat competent host

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TJ Reeves. Our insider is Dan
Rayfield. And we got lots more besides

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the recaps, Like is Ryan Garcia
still in jail? I don't even know

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that answer while we do the podcast, he got arrested on Saturday. Mike

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Tyson and Jake Paul are fighting again. We got a lot to go over,

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including some nostalgia. Dan Rayfield Howard. Things off the weekend, Things

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are good, TJ. Things are
good. Not the biggest weekend the road

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got bigger fish to fri next week. Yes, because it's now fight week

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for Javonte Davis's return for the first
time in over a year, speaking of

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Ryan Garcia since his went over Ryan
Garcia and speaking of jail, him being

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in jail. He's now out of
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Vegas. Dan Rayfiel on the way, David Benavetez, by the way,

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I hope you heard him on the
preview podcast on Fridays in the co feature.

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So you're hited out to Vegas later
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Are you ready to go? Or
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I mean, I've made so many
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pack until like the night before.
I mean, I at least Wednesday morning.

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I'll pack like Tuesday night. You
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from the Sea Tac Airport, flying
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been going between my wife, my
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since Friday, and it ain't over
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If you enjoy the preview going into
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feed, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify. All right, well, so let's

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go chronologically and will we spend more
than ninety seconds on Blair Cobbs wiping out

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Adrian Broner Friday night at the Seminal
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I said at the beginning the show, is this the last time we're really

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going to be talking about Adrian Broner
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What are your thoughts in the recap
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worth more than ninety seconds, and
whether it's the last time we talked about

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Broner in any meaningful fight, it
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you got to give Greg the Blair
Cobbs he was you know, he

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he scored his second win in a
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even if this is not the Adrian
Broner when he was the good Adrian

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Broner. He also as to win
coming off a two year or a twenty

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two month layoff against Maurice Hooker,
who's a very credible opponent that he defeated

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in his most recent fight. So
Blair Cobbs is like in a actually an

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enviable position right now in terms of
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as that had been for many years. He is coming off those two wins.

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He did look pretty solid against Adrian
Broner. He dominated the fight,

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he knocked him down. And you
know, again, I'm not saying Blair

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COB's gonna be, you know,
the the undisputed champ of the world or

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make anybody's powner for Powerless, but
he can fight a little bit. He's

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got a good personality. He made
a fun fight and I expect that he's

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gonna get some type of opportunity out
of it and that it's up to him

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to do with it what he can. In terms of Adrian Broner, look,

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he's been pretty much done for like
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But he did come off the layoff
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with Don King last year against a
certain level of opponent. And if he

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could have gotten a win against Blair
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probably would have got himself into another
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that he does have a name,
and you know, people kind of either

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love him or hate him, but
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going. Let's put it like that. He just looked awful though. I

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mean, you know, he look
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What did you say. I saw
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with a big, big, big
shot. You know, Blair Cobbs could

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not miss with his left hand the
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And you know, Adrian being a
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times. I saw he posted a
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gap tooth because he did get teeth
knocked out, and so he was making

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light of that. That's not you
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I mean, gett your teth knocked
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at least he's got a decent sense
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the thing that was think about it
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career was, there was a time
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really believed and it seemed like he
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the softest world titles you could win
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picking vacant beltz er, you know, not really beating top guys to get

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those titles. You know, he'll
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that won't make the Hall of Fame
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know, he was a tremendous talent. I mean, people viewed him favorably

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with the top fighters of that time
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Back in the day, people thought
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quote unquote. And the thing that's
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he didn't have the ability or that
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So I don't know why I'm upset
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It should be the person who wasted
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upset. But he threw it away
because of his horror habits in terms of

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outside during dealing with his life,
dealing with things that were not boxing related,

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whether it's substance abuse or you know, getting in legal issues or financial

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troubles or whatever it was, and
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priority, you know, and instead
of portunate. You know, Adrian I

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always thought had a good heart,
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a lot of issues in his life. Hopefully he can deal with this because

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the days where he can overcome a
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he may still be able to do
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going to be dramatically diminished in the
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the main thing is, if you
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pretty good fight to watch. I
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There's some good undercard fights in terms
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TJ on the co feature, which
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on paper that sounded pretty good,
which was the heavyweight fight between Michael Hunter

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and Cash as Cheney. Two guys
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you know, in a good style, could push themselves, you know,

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And so no knock on Hunter.
He did his job and peppered the

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guy with body shots and and uh
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is Cheney, TJ if he threw
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mean it was and I say this
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single most pitiful performance I've ever seen
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because he just would not or could
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rounds. And Cassie Cheney came in
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might have a chance, who had
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know, explosive when he knocked out
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that was the co feature, but
the main event, Cobbs gets a good

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win and Browner's gotta probably start.
I believe that I said at least once

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or twice on our preview show or
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By the way, you were touting
yourself last week Reeves four for four on

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the bet Us Show with the hand
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picking Bruce Carrington at twenty five hundred
to one to win doesn't count on

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your record. Sorry, sure,
else, if I lay the money,

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why don't you go Why don't you
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up in a few hours. So
in any event, I believe I said

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more than once let the buyer beware
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fact that you got a stink bomb
co feature fight and you got a washed

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and Adrian Broner that couldn't do anything, including after getting knocked down, you

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get what you get. And as
more than one person was snickering and putting

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on social media, welcome, welcome
to Don King, still trying to do

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this. This is what he has. You mentioned Trevor Bryan. Remember when

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he had the Big Return pay per
view and Trevor Bryan was fighting some heavyweight

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secondary title fight or whatever, and
there were about thirty seven people in Ohio

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in the arena watching this is what
it is right now, and like you

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said to me, like off of
a recent what was at the Navarat fight,

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I think we've spent like about two
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that just real quick. Is Blair
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Or was he just that much better
than a wash Adrian Broner. That's

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the real question. It's probably a
combination of both. I mean, in

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the right circumstance, maybe he can. I mean, again, he did

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look good against Maurice Fucker who was
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but was a very legit pro and
had a major world title and defended a

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major world title and all that.
So you know Cobbs's uh, you know,

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he's not again, can he get
a world tiller? Can he win

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a world tell in the right circumstances? Yeah, probably he can because it's

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not a hugely deep division at the
moment. I'm not I wouldn't pick him

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against you know, some of the
that the guy's the very top of the

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division. I don't think he's going
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you know, I'll give you an
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Chris Crawford's gonna be vacating everything.
So is he gonna be like an Amanta

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Stanionis for example, I'm just just
off the front of head. He's going

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to be the WBA bot Tennis bot
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to beat a boot Sennis. He's
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But he'll make a good fight.
That's the thing. I mean,

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at the end of the day,
it's entertainment for those of us to watch.

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So whether he wins the fight or
not, that's you know, that's

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a secondary scenario as far as I'm
concerned. But uh, look, I'll

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give him credit. He put in
a good night's work and he got a

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good win. And uh one thing
I'll say, he got brown or even

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though he look completely washed and his
his speed and his skills and his power

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are not what they were when they
were at his best, you know,

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he still got the fighting heart.
He tried, He hung in there,

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he tried to make a go of
it. Late in the fight, he

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knew, you know, you got
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judges actually were a little generous to
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I thought that was a bit wide. I scored to fight a shutout.

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I mean the one judge an other
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Uh. But Brunner, you know, hung in there and tried,

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but had there was no there was
no chance he was winning the fight,

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all right. Uh. Title win
for Oscar Colaso not unexpected at the Turning

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Stone Resort. They're in Verona,
New York. Part of the Hall of

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Fame weekend. You're gonna touch on
the Hall of Fame inductions that were Sunday.

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Uh here in a few moments.
Colaso wins virtually every round against Toroaldo

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Zapata. Not unexpected, and we're
we're more looking towards what is next for

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him? What's the future unification?
Does he move up? Your thoughts on

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the Puerto Rican champion Colaso's victory,
Well, you did mention that he won

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going away on the scorecards. You
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you're like, oh, that was
a one sided you know, no problem

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kind of fight. One nineteen and
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one nineteen one, O nine and
one seventeen one ten. But the biggest

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moment in the fight came in round
two when he almost got knocked out,

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he almost got his clock clean.
He was staggering all over the place.

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He was able to write the ship. There were still like I think,

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I want to say, maybe like
a minute minute and change left in the

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fight when Zapata landed a tremendous punch
and you know that that was the moment

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of the fight, and so you
know, Zapata could not step on it

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and get them out of there and
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And Klaso showed the wherewithal to keep
himself together as best as possible to get

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to the end of the round and
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But that was a big time issue
for him. But look, he

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came through the fight. He won. Whether he goes up and wait and

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challenges for a title and the next
way class, whether he can get a

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unification fight, it really remains to
be seen, you know, making unifications

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and those types of small weight classes, especially when there's not a huge amount

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of money on the table. Usually
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know, fairly anonymous. The other
title holders are you know, you got

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to from Thailand and from Japan.
I mean, they're just not well known.

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They're not even well known names where
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even if he could get one of
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be next a big money for either
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Golden Boy, look around and see
what he wants to do. Try to

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keep him busy. He may be
best served, you know, maybe maybe

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going to one hundred and eight and
trying to to to get to get another

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title there and because that at least
there's some better names there. And the

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other thing is, you know,
he's not he's not like he's twenty one

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years old. He's not an old
fighter by any stretch of the imagination,

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but he's you know, he's in
his mid twenties already. He's twenty seven

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years old, So that's that's on
the older side. Let's say for a

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straw weight. He's made some defenses
already, so it's not like there's huge

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accomplishments that he's looking to do.
I don't think he can get a unification

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fight terrific. If you can't,
you know, I'm not sure what the

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purpose is to just make these regular
defenses where you're not being paid big time

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money, you know, see what
he can do. But one thing about

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Oscar Claso when he's fighting, I'm
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He's exciting. And now he showed
a little bit of the of the the

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pension for drama, you know,
by getting rocked the way he did but

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surviving, so you know, and
he's got a good, very likable personality.

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So you know, I'm all in
and watching Oscar Closo fights well.

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And one of the other things that
we've always been advocates of is he has

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been fairly active, and we like
that as well. Because that was his

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fourth fight, going back to the
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against Melvin Jerusalem last May, he's
now had three title defenses, but you

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know, four fights basically in thirteen
months. So let's see how soon he's

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back in there, whether it's another
defense or like you said, whether he

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moves up in weight to one hundred
and eight pounds. Oscar Colazo we're talking

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about, all right, we advance
on to Saturday Night and in both cases,

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Xander Ziaz won impressively. Will debate
about whether he should have gotten Patrick

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Tashera out of there or not.
Bruce Carrington also wins by TKO late rounds

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with his late replacement opponent De Grasia. All right, so what are your

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thoughts on the top rank show.
Let's start with the main events. Zias

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gets the win. Was he impressive
enough for you in the ten round decision

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win? I have mixed feelings about
that, TJ. I mean, first

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of all, you know, it
was a big night for him. He's

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the headline fight. First of all, it's the first main event of his

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career. And remember, anytime a
boxer gets to be the main event for

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the first time is the big deal. Now you're throw in the fact that

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he's the main event on ESPN.
That's a big deal because of ESPN's wide

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reach. Now you're throw in the
fact that he's headlining at a very famous

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venue like the Madison Square Garden.
The theater also has hosted plenty of major

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fights and important and notable fights over
the years. And then you take all

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that and you throw in the fact
that, by the way, I'm fighting

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a former world champion who, by
far and away, at least on paper,

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is my best opponent, not even
close. And then the last of

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all the things to put on that
list, Oh, by the way,

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I'm the main event at this hallowed
arena against his quality opponent, and it's

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the eve of the Puerto Rican Day
Parade weekend, and I am Puerto Rican

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and this is my night, and
this has been built for me, and

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it's what I've dreamedout since I'm five
years old, is what he said.

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So if you put that in your
mind, that's a lot of pressure.

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So if you keep that in your
mind and then you watch how the fight

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unfolded, you can't be disappointed with
how Xander's eye has performed because that was

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a big spot. You know,
would he have liked to get the knockout

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leak? He said absolutely. Would
he have liked to be a little bit

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more spectacular, for sure. But
when you really examine it, he got

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ten good rounds under his belt,
first time he ever went past eight rounds

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in his career. That's another thing, first time he ever fought a south

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opponent, and he still gets to
win in fairly entertaining style, shut out

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on two score cards. One judge
actually gave to share a one round,

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which I haven't seen the official cards, so I have no idea which round

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they gave him. But I have
no idea how they gave him a single

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round because to me, there wasn't
a single round that was even close.

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When you were talking about cash as
Shaney, I mean t Shera didn't offer

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much more than what you relate about
changing. He landed an occasional shot.

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He landed an occasional shot, but
he didn't mount a lot of offense.

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And I thought, especially second half
of the fight, I thought Ziaz was

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going to maybe step on the gas
corner him and get him out of there,

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and it just didn't happen. Follow
up on that well, first of

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all, to share it, to
compare his performance to Cheney's is not appropriate

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in my opinion at all, because
one guy at least tried. You can

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take away whatever you want to say
about to share his ability to do anything,

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but he was he tried. Chaney'd
never tried. But be that as

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it may, I think that Xander
did step on the guests and try to

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get him out of there late in
the fight, and you know, sometimes

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guys are just not getting knocked out, you know, you you know,

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I remember the famous quote from Marvin
Hagler in the HBO documentary series talking about

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you know, his fight with I
believe it was were talking about Tommy Hearn's

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right of the rail intern fight.
You know, you're gonna have to hit

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me with that damn ring post to
get me out of there, right.

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You know, The point is that's
the mentality to share a you know,

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he had a fighting heart. He's
just a little older now, a little

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slower, didn't look like he was
in the greatest shape of all time.

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And and he and he took his
beating like a man, I guess is

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the way to say it. And
he lost every single round. Uh,

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but he you know, he he
gave him a different look. Because I

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mentioned it's the first time that Xander
had ever fought a south Ba and uh,

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this was not an unexpected thing that
Xander would win the fight. He

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couldn't get the knockout, but you
know, so I guess the answer to

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the question is I give him credit
for all the things I mentioned and dealing

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with all that stuff in the pressure
of the situation. And he did look

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fine, and he did actually keep
going for the knockout even in the tenth

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round. Him he could have sat
on his lead. He no, he's

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up big time, but he still
went for it. So that's a that's

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a check mark in the right spot. But in the end, even though

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he won and won handily, I
guess there was a little bit of me

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that was like, I just wish
it would have been a little bit more

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spectacular. So I'm not gonna I
don't hold it against him. I still

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think Xander's got a very bright future. And I love his marketability, I

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love his personality. He's got skills, he's a hard worker by all accounts,

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does not cut corners, takes a
very seriously as he should, and

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he's still a work in progress.
So I'm you know, and again all

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the pressure stuff I mentioned still when
you're when you're going and you're going to

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the you know, past eight for
the first time and you're not really winded.

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He still looked very sharp in terms
of his lungs. Last couple of

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rounds and you'll find your first lefty
like these are all he said, all

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the right things afterwards. This was
a learning experience. You know, I

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got, I passed, I passed
this test. He you know, I

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talked about the folks at top rank
his promoter to talk about, you know,

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you can't go twelve till you go
ten. Well he went ten,

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and he did it pretty handily against
a reputable opponent. So I mean,

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if I'm giving him on a letter
grade, I give him A. I'll

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give him a B maybe a B
plus. But I can't give him that

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A just yet because it just seemed
a little bit something lack him fair enough.

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Yeah, but I think he could
have gotten him out of the air

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for whatever reasons, he didn't press
it as much like in this eighth round,

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ninth round to do so one more
humorous thing. And I put this

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on social media and I even sent
it to you to Cheryl was rocking the

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Florida Man tank top sunburn there where
he obviously had trained some recently in the

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sun or outside and had the and
had the uh full on white trunk chain

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and back but the tan around the
tank top. I love, I love

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Florida Man Sunburn whenever I can point
it out. That's about all we can

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say for the former WO world champion
on that. So, you know the

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thing about it is they were looking
ahead to maybe what would what would be

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next for him? Hey, now
what might be next for him? Well,

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I did think it was absolutely ludicrous
for the folks to discuss him as

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you know, uh, hanging with
the top junior middleweightes at this time,

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and they continually mentioned him in Crawford. Now, if you want to see

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the young man have a fruitful and
long career, you don't match him with

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Terrence Crawford, not now, because
that's an absolute destruction right now, right

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it just is. And it's not
by the way, that's not even anti

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Xander's highest. That's pretty much most
of the fighters in the weight class.

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In my mind. Crawford is a
whole different animal at this moment in time.

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But the guys that Xander's yas mentioned
were the ones that make sense as

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you take up it's a progression,
you know, people you just because he

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is where he is, you know, big prospect status on the he did,

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you know, all the hype because
of the Puerto Rican weekend. He's

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still a fighter on their eye.
So he brought up names. Josh Kelly,

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a guy fifteen and one in one
from the UK, great amateur also,

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you know, a rising contender in
his own right mentioned. I don't

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know why he brought that name up, but that would be a perfectly fine

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fight. That's an appropriate fight at
this stage of his career. The other

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name that came up, which him
against Vito mil Nikki Junior. Obviously,

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if you're paying attention to the news, Veto, who has one loss but

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is otherwise undefeated, you know,
eighteen one, I believe, or nineteen

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and one whatever, he is,
just signed with Top Rank this past week.

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They are friends, they've known each
other for many years, but they

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also know it's business. And Xander
is only twenty one. Nicky I believe

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is also twenty one or twenty two, and that's a fight. Obviously when

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Top Ranks signed him, I'm sure
they had that when they were making their

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list of like what kind of matchups
can we make for this fighter that we

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just signed. That would certainly be
a marketable fight, and so both of

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them seem interested because Xander mentioned his
name in the postfan interview. They had

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done an interview earlier in the show
up on the studio set with Vito,

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who was there in attending. He's
in Jersey in his first fight, so

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that's an appropriate kind of fight.
You know. Veto's eighteen and one with

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twelve knockouts, Kelly's fifteen and one
with a draw with eight knockouts. These

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are that kind of level of where
he should be at. You got to

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fight those kinds of fights and win
those kinds of fights before you're going to

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talk about you know, him against
Terrence Crawford, even him against like a

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Virginal Ortiz or somebody like that.
In the way class, he's on the

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right path. That's the bottom line. Well, and more to come,

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because we'll probably see him again in
the next few months here, probably in

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a headlining spot. We'll see from
top rank a right on the immediate fight

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before that, not unexpectedly, Shoeshoe
Carrington does get the win, does get

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the stoppage. De Grascia slowed down
greatly. I thought Tim Bradley was right

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on it on the analysis that hey, his output, his movement has stopped.

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And again Carrington I thought was toying
with him from about the fourth fifth

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round on, could have maybe stepped
on the accelerator game. Finally did got

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the TKO, so he looked good. What are your thoughts of watching shoe

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Shoot Carrington. They're in a big
spot for him and a co feature get

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the Way. Yeah, listen,
Carrington stole the show. I mean that.

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I mean you can say what Joan
about Xander in the main event,

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how he won and wanted to shut
out and it was Puerto Rico Weekend and

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all that, But for me,
it was Bruce Carrington that stole the show.

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He's a Brooklyn fighter, so he
had a lot of fans there in

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the crowd. Also, the Groscia
was a very credible replacement opponent, as

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we discussed on the preview. He
replaced Vivas, but he had been on

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standby and training for the last six
weeks, so it wasn't like they just

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got him up and Fight Weekend said
make the weight. He was ready to

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go. He showed a good heart, he came to fight, he came

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to win. He just was outgunned
by a quicker, more powerful, just

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better technician and Carrington. So Bruce
Carrington may only now be twelve to zero

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with eight knockouts, but he's twenty
seven years old. That's again, that's

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on the older level for a quote
unquote prospect in the featherweight division. I

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consider him now, you know,
to be a legitimate contender. Can beat

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some of the top guys in the
featherweight division, I think right now,

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and so they're gonna move, I
think fairly quickly. I don't think he's

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getting a title fight next, but
certainly in the next couple of fights,

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he's gonna be right there, especially
given the top rank involvement in that weight

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class. But in terms of the
way the fight went, you mentioned about

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what Bradley said and slowing down,
it was really the fifth round where it

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was clear that that the gracier kind
of hit a wall in terms of his

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output, and you know, part
of those because he was taking punishment.

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He did get dropped two times.
You know, he had a bloody nose.

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One of the knockdowns was you know, he got knocked into the ropes

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and the referee appropriately ruled today knockdown
because that's all that kept him up.

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Another one he got clipped on the
temple and went down to a knee.

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I mean, this was an all
around top class performance from caring to So

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we talked about what gave Xander a
B maybe a B plus this permose I

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got to give Bruce Carrington an A
because he did everything you want to see.

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He was fast, he showed power, he showed noise, he showed

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patience, he showed skills, he
put the damage on his opponent, He

407
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,920
made an entertaining you know, he
showed a little swagger. I mean,

408
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,200
it was it was a fun fight
watch, and it was a very conclusive

409
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:07,519
and an ending and he just was
completely outgunned. And Carrington is going places

410
00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:11,400
now again without getting too far ahead
of ourselves. They were also talking on

411
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,240
the broadcast about an eventual fight,
and this is because Carrington has been talking

412
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,880
about this is his target in the
long run of him fighting Noya in a

413
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,000
way now in a way was present
and was ringside for the fight. In

414
00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:25,519
a way had been in New York
City because on Thursday night he accepted his

415
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,480
twenty twenty three Fighter of the Award
at the annual Boxing Writers' Dinner. He's

416
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,160
promoted by Top Rank. They took
him to the Yankee Game. He I

417
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,440
think he got to meet Shoe he
Otani as Japanese countryman, the other you

418
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,400
know, mega superstar athlete in Japan. And then they obviously had him as

419
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,079
a guest at the fight. They
did an interview with him during the broadcast,

420
00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:45,759
so he was making some of the
rounds you know in America. And

421
00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:48,599
he stayed and he watched Carrington's fight. He knows, you know, the

422
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,279
types of guys he may fight down
the road. And I don't want to

423
00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:56,160
get too carried away because it's not
happening next but there's nothing wrong with getting

424
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,599
the ball rolling if you think that's
a fight down the road. He's still

425
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:02,279
fighting his a junior featherweight. He's
probably going to spend the rest of this

426
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,519
year at junior featherweight. Next year, most likely they'll go to featherweight by

427
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:10,559
then. You gotta figure Carrington will
be positioned to have won a title by

428
00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:12,960
then, and then maybe, just
maybe it will make sense, you know,

429
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,400
a couple of fights, three four
fights from now for uh, for

430
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,160
for Carrington because in a way won't
be as active. And then the interesting

431
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,319
thing to meet TJ is that,
you know, in a way after after

432
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,519
Carrington's fight, Carrington walked to that
side of the ring, he bowed to

433
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:32,599
him, you know, uh,
he was acknowledged by in a way,

434
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,240
and then in a way left.
He didn't stick around for this Anders eyes.

435
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,279
He was there to see the guy
that he might fight some day.

436
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:44,799
So again, this is in the
future, but a smart promoter lays the

437
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:48,119
groundwork for these types of fights.
So when this fight, if it if

438
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,799
if if if if it ever does
happen. When I'm writing stories and we're

439
00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:56,960
talking on podcasts and they're talking about
the height for the fight. We'll be

440
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,279
like, oh yeah, by the
way, remember how back in uh in

441
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,000
June of twenty twenty four when he
fought Brian de Gracia and they were bowing

442
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,039
at each other, you know from
ringside where this fight Loomwell, guy,

443
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,720
you know by the way here it
is that this is setting up the storyline.

444
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:15,160
That's right. So for other people
on social media that are getting crazy

445
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,039
going, oh, he can't fight
in a way just yet, like,

446
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,200
dude, he's not going to be
next. This is a long term play.

447
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:25,240
As you said to meywhere ye when
we brought this is going to be

448
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,119
around for a while when we brought
this up not only in the preview mode

449
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,240
but on the bet Us show.
Carrington's not going to be in a world

450
00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:33,000
title fight more than likely in his
next fight, it's going to probably be

451
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,240
another fight or two. So he's
certainly much like what you said with Xander

452
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:41,200
Zyaz and Terrence Crawford, he's not
going to be in front of that freight

453
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,599
train in a way anytime for the
rest of this year and probably I'll even

454
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:47,640
go as far as to say the
first part of next year. Now,

455
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,200
could you be looking at two or
three fights from now they fight. That's

456
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,640
your point. What projects what's the
fall of twenty twenty five look like?

457
00:26:55,799 --> 00:27:00,759
What's December December of twenty twenty five, January February of twenty twenty look like?

458
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:06,000
There you go. This is this
is why Top Rank has been promoting

459
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:11,279
boxing at the highest level for sixty
years or so. Part of it is

460
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,359
you got to identify the talent.
You gotta be fortunate with some good luck.

461
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,319
You gotta have a good broadcast situation. You know, you have to

462
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,599
have some boxing intelligence. They have
all that, but then you gotta lay

463
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:25,519
out the storyline. And that's what
they're doing because Harrington in a way sure,

464
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:27,079
and let's let's bring one more point
up speak to this and then we

465
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,119
got to move on. Carrington's got
to be in there with a better level

466
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,680
fighter that can really test him.
Then we learn more. Same thing with

467
00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:38,839
Zias, then we learn more.
And Zias was fighting a former world champion,

468
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:41,400
so we know a little more about
him. But when Carrington is in

469
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,000
there with a guy that can test
him, then we learn more about him.

470
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:48,880
Forget about world title yet. And
so now let's see if you agree

471
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,559
with that. That's that's coming in
the next fight or two, he's got

472
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:55,519
to have a better test. I
have no doubt in my mind that probably

473
00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:59,519
in his next fight for Carrington,
that they will step him up. The

474
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,680
thing about it is, and I
know this because I know the people at

475
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,200
top rank very very well for a
long time. When they know that they've

476
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,079
got a guy that can really fight, they take the hand. They're not

477
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,319
they don't baby him. They're very
very good at moving a guy at the

478
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:18,400
appropriate speed. That's why it's taken
nineteen fights for Xander to get in the

479
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,279
ring with a former world champion,
not you know, because they had a

480
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:25,279
he gotta grow, They have a
time, they've invested. They see,

481
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:26,920
but he's a young guy, he's
only twenty one. With a guy like

482
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,599
Bruce Carrington's already twenty seven, who
comes from a deeper amateur background. Remember

483
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:36,359
Bruce Carrington was a twenty twenty US
Olympic Trials champion. You know he ended

484
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,880
up turning pro. You know,
they've been able to move him much more

485
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,079
quickly. He didn't need the babying
at his age and his vast experience as

486
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:45,599
an amateur. And now they're seeing
that come to pass because he's now got

487
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,359
good knockouts and he's fighting up you
know, and even the Garsci on late

488
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,759
notice is still probably the best opponent
he's face so far, and he passed

489
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:56,279
that with Find Colors. He beat
the shit out of him basically, and

490
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,119
onward and upward. I mean,
if you're a top rank you have to

491
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:06,480
be happy because the two guys that
you view as future headliners, who are

492
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:10,799
still in the earlier stages of their
pro career, they did what you wanted

493
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:12,400
them to do. Even Standard didn't
get the knockout, but Dave had done

494
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:18,119
there. What did They did what
everything was expected of them and look good

495
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,240
doing it all right, good stuff
on the recaps, news and a lot

496
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:25,920
of it. So on Saturday night, while the Top Rank show was unfolding,

497
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,359
the news was out social media and
otherwise. TMZ Credit to Them was

498
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,319
the first one to have it,
including with video that Ryan Garcia had been

499
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:41,319
arrested at the Beverly Hills Waldorf Waldorf
Astoria hotel in southern California, taken into

500
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,519
custody by authorities for vandalism of his
hotel room, believed to be in excess

501
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:51,400
of ten thousand dollars worth of damage
done to the room. Fifteen or more.

502
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:56,000
It's a felony for anything more than
four hundred dollars worth of property damage.

503
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,200
I thought it was interesting as and
I wrote the story for Big Fight

504
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,279
Weekend dot com. They were called
to the hotel on Wednesday. Garcia's family

505
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,799
called the hotel staff and asked for
not clear if it was just the police,

506
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,400
the paramedics and the police to come
to the room, and the police

507
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,640
deemed, okay, there's nothing here
to charge him with. We've done a

508
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,720
welfare check, we're leaving. That
was on Wednesday, so this is now

509
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:27,920
on Saturday. Later on Saturday night, Garcia's attorney said that he was taken

510
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,880
to the hospital by the Beverly Hills
authorities. Dan, what else do we

511
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,440
know Sunday night into Monday, because
I checked again on Sunday evening here as

512
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,240
we're doing the podcast, and you
can't tell from online records or anything.

513
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,200
Is he still in the Beverly Hills
jail? Is he facing an arrangement?

514
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:51,559
No tomorrow? What's the update on
Ryan Garcia? I was in communication on

515
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,400
Sunday with his advisor of Guadeloupe,
Valencia, who has put out the statement

516
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,960
about it, and you know he
didn't get into this specifics of where he

517
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:06,000
is, but my understanding is that
he got arrested. He then was basically

518
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,440
sent to the hospital for an evaluation. You know, Ryan has struggled with

519
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,720
his mental health in the past,
so that's not a secret. He's been

520
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,960
very public about that. He's clearly
having some type of issue. I mean,

521
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,640
it's it's like a slow moving train
wreck I described it. I mean,

522
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,319
I don't wish anything bad on Ryan, even though he's certainly made me,

523
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,920
you know, one of his targets
because I had the audacity to report

524
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,119
the factual information about his failed drug
tests post the Devin Hainey fight. But

525
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,599
be that as a may I believe
he's being evaluated, being treated. I

526
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,519
don't know if he's still there as
we speak, but he's going through some

527
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:40,759
shit right now. You know,
he put on you know what he puts

528
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,640
on social media sometimes you know,
who the heck knows what to believe.

529
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:48,680
But apparently it's been discovered as his
mother is ill. She's had a battle

530
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,920
with cancer ahead of her, so
I think maybe that's wearing on him,

531
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,640
and and just the general pressures of
being Ryan Garcia, which he sometimes exacerbates

532
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,680
on his own and that doesn't help
the situation. The point is whatever happened

533
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:06,079
in that hotel is just another in
a long line of things. Whether you

534
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:08,640
want to go back to all the
crazy behavior prior to the Devin Haney fight,

535
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,880
which I don't care if you want
to tell me that. People still

536
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,839
want to say it was totally just
trolling. I don't believe that, you

537
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:16,400
know, with the drugs and the
alcohol that he's been involved with his mental

538
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,640
health problems, with the positive drug
test that that occurred in terms of that

539
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,319
fight of facing a punishment. There
was some stuff he put on his social

540
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:29,400
media that said he hadn't been paid
you get for the April twenty fight,

541
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,839
which Devin handes was okay. So
that was That was earlier Saturday afternoon that

542
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,799
he put that out there, and
Devin Haney agreed with him, and then

543
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,720
Garcia subsequently deleted the post. This
after Golden Boy put a statement out.

544
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:44,440
What do you make of all of
that? What I make of it is

545
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,960
that they have a certain number in
their contract that they're supposed to get on

546
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,359
the night of the fighter, with
the X number of days after the fight,

547
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,640
and that Golden Boy paid exactly what
they were supposed to pay. But

548
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:57,599
then you think about a supposed big
paper, You're like, where's the rest

549
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,319
of my money? And it's like
what Golden Boy put in their statement.

550
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,119
And this is not just Golden with
this is any promoter that's ever done a

551
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,480
pay per view event. Is that
pay per view money does not come at

552
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,240
once. You know, they have
to wait for those cable bills and those

553
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:14,039
satellite bills and those subscriber bills and
all that stuff. That money's got to

554
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:15,319
be Not only does that have to
come in, it's got to then be

555
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,319
distributed, and so it takes time
for the pay per view money to hit.

556
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,000
You know, it could be six
weeks. And then by the way,

557
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:27,119
this is this is fact, major
pay per view fights, big ones,

558
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,559
money comes in and is paid out
literally over the course of like four

559
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,720
or five years, no exaggeration.
So they're going to get their money whatever

560
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,000
they're entitled to. But it doesn't
happen over time. And you're just saying

561
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,920
this and we don't have to stay
on it for a while, but why

562
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:45,680
four or five years in the present
day with technology, et cetera. That's

563
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:49,599
the book's nineteen nineties thing. Just
hearing you say that that you used to

564
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,799
take that long to figure it out, or because money still going to because

565
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:54,680
money still goes to cable companies,
and it's again, it's a messy.

566
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,039
It's an inexact science. They get
their money and there's audits and you know,

567
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,440
those types of things, but it
just not immediately. So the fact

568
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,839
that the fight was on April twentieth, and I'm making it, let's make

569
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,079
up the numbers. My understanding is
that Devin Hainey's guarantee like on fight night

570
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:14,880
was like three million bucks and Ryan's
was probably a little bit more. The

571
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,639
point is they would get that then
or the next day or that Monday or

572
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:21,800
whatever they agreed to it within a
few days, and then it could be

573
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:23,679
if I was in April, here
we are now in June, it could

574
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:29,400
literally be two months until the first
you know, a batch of money hits

575
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,519
on the fight, and then there'll
be distribution on whatever it did and what

576
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:37,599
they're entitled to. So you know, there's a reason why that that tweet

577
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,440
was deleted. I have no doubt
in my mind. You can talk about

578
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,280
promoters who want to you know,
in the past, I've maybe ripped off

579
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,719
a fighter for this or ripped off
a fighter for that whatever. In this

580
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,800
type of situation, I have no
doubt in my mind, especially knowing the

581
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,960
people involved in terms of who their
lawyers are, that they got their money

582
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,840
they were supposed to get for the
night of the fight. And that's that's

583
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,559
that. Now, maybe Ryan didn't
have cash on it then was trying to

584
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:02,440
make bail or something like that and
wasn't plaining because now have the money.

585
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,039
I have no idea, but I'm
just making the point that that might be

586
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,239
a reason you might complain that you
don't have any cash. Who knows.

587
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,519
I found it interesting though that Haiti
backed him up right away about that.

588
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,199
And so what we don't know,
all right, what we don't and you

589
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:22,239
do a great job at this,
but what we don't know right now is

590
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,480
was there a payment that was supposed
to happen that was missed? And I

591
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:30,760
guess we'll find out is it delayed, is it missed, is it whatever?

592
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,920
All I know is, besides Ryan
Garcia going off half cocked on social

593
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:42,199
media all the time, Haini backed
him up. Haiti basically verified I haven't

594
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,719
been paid when I'm supposed to be
paid. So let's see, let's see

595
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,800
if this, if this has any
more legs to it or whatever. Again,

596
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,320
I don't want to go for another
five minutes. It just seems to

597
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,760
me stupid that we're talking about it
takes years to find that money. We'ren't

598
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,159
an age now where they instantaneously charged
your credit card that instantaneously have numbers and

599
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:05,519
totals and whatever. It's the technology
that we have. So I'm just telling

600
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:08,679
you I've seen, I've literally I'll
tell you a little story you're talking about.

601
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,920
Hold on before we go for another
five minutes. Are you talking about

602
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,639
something that's happened in the last couple
of years. Are we talking about something

603
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:19,360
that's many years ago? I would
say it was probably like in the last

604
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,719
five, like five years, maybe
six years, something like that. Real

605
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,840
quick, go ahead. I'm not
going to identify the specifics, but the

606
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,119
bottom line was I was supposed to
be sent something by a network that had

607
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:32,239
nothing to do with contracts and business. I was being sent an item that

608
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:42,639
I was doing something about, and
I accidentally was sent proprietary paperwork related to

609
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,880
pay per view payouts that were not
meant for me, that were meant for

610
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,760
a promoter, had nothing to do
with me. I opened up the envelope.

611
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,079
I'm like, this isn't what I
was supposed to get. It was

612
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,679
literally pay per view reports from like
four or five pay per view fights,

613
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,320
all right, addressed to this particular
promoter, outline to you, by mistake,

614
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:05,519
by mistake, send to me,
by mistake, outlining what the payment

615
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:07,119
was for this event, how much
money had come in for that event,

616
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:12,239
with the exact and precise pay per
view numbers, et cetera. And that

617
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,960
does happen. It takes time.
The books stay open, so the books

618
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,320
on Hany versus Garcia. Now,
maybe, like you said, with technology,

619
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,719
it's not going to be quite that
long, and today you know today,

620
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,920
but it's still definitely more than a
year to go through the entire auditing

621
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,800
process and get everything paid out because
it takes time to collect everything and distribute.

622
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,039
The cable companies, you know,
they have a certain period of time

623
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,519
where they can take to distribute the
money to the promoter, et cetera.

624
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,239
All I'm saying is it does take
time, and they get paid. And

625
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,880
if you ask any big pay perview
star, Mayweather, Pacio, Oscar Canelo,

626
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,400
you name it, they will tell
you that years after big fights,

627
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,719
they were still getting payment from those
events. All right, fair enough,

628
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,559
And again the most important thing is
what is up with Ryan Garcia's future suspension

629
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,920
or not likely? Low it's going
to be suspended, would you stop?

630
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:02,000
But I mean the suspension is likely
going to be like a year. I'm

631
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:07,920
saying no, and you have an
arrest here, what's the situation as Sunday

632
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:13,119
becomes to Monday with that regardless?
So this is something I know from law

633
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:15,920
enforcement because I got a father in
law law enforcement. I got many friends

634
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,719
and acquaintances in law enforcement. Just
because they took you to be evaluated and

635
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,320
took you to the hospital, that
doesn't stop the judicial process of you going

636
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,559
back to jail. So then was
he whatever that is, was he bonded

637
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,880
out? I doubt it. Is
he back in jail now? I don't

638
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,480
know. We're still efforting to find
that out courtgate to be determined. Who

639
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,800
knows. So stay tuned for the
details Redan Rayphael Substack as well and find

640
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,880
out more on that, and we'll
have more on Big Fight Weekend dot Com.

641
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,360
All right, real quick, a
couple of other things and we'll get

642
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,760
to some nostalgia. We talked about
this on the bet Us Show. Because

643
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,400
it was announced on Friday. We'll
mention it here again on the recap podcast

644
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:52,920
Mike Tyson, Jake Paul back On, as well as the co feature of

645
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,800
Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano. Now, November fifteenth is a Friday night,

646
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,559
Now, five more months into the
future. Give me your thoughts here,

647
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:06,119
as we talked about on the bet
Us show, but for the audience here,

648
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:07,960
what are your thoughts and are we
concerned that we're going to get to

649
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,800
the finish line five months from now
with Tyson's health as he's about to turn

650
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,119
fifty eight years old later this month
and obviously has problems. I mean,

651
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,239
you never can tell. Obviously you
wouldn't, but you know, it would

652
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,119
could be any fight. You never
know if they're actually gonna get in the

653
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:24,360
ring because things happen. It seems
like this is just a setback because of

654
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,760
that particular flare up of the ulcer
from Tyson, and by all accounts,

655
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,440
you know, within a few weeks
they'll be ready to do whatever training he

656
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:35,119
was doing to get ready for the
fight. I don't think he needs to

657
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:37,280
train streangulously for five months. That's
too much if you ask me, obviously

658
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,079
you don't need that much time to
get ready for a fight, even if

659
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:43,119
you're fifty eight, because Mike,
even at fifty eight, well hope you

660
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:45,280
fifty eight, you know, coming
up is still in obviously pretty damn good

661
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:51,119
shape. But you know, and
when they first postponed the fight, they

662
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:52,679
said they were going to announce the
new date on Friday, which was just

663
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,199
a couple of days ago, and
they were able to do that. I'm

664
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:59,400
sure they'll work through the calendar.
It seemed like everybody involved, Tyson side,

665
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,800
Ay, Paul's side, the Cowboys
people, they wanted to keep this

666
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,679
event at the AT and T Stadium, Netflix the same thing because obviously they're

667
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:09,079
the broadcast, are paying a lot
of the freight, and so instead of

668
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:12,440
on the Saturday, they're going to
be on the Friday. And the reason

669
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,320
for that, my understanding, is
because so they'll do the fight on Friday.

670
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,760
You know, it does take time
to turn the stadium over from a

671
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,360
boxing venue or whatever event is there
into the football venue that it was built

672
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,719
for. And so the Cowboys are
playing at home, not on the Sunday,

673
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,239
but they host the Dallas or the
Houston Texans on Monday Night football Monday

674
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,159
Night, right, right, right, so that all day Saturday Sunday,

675
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,440
and then the ballgame is on Monday, so they'll have the fight on Friday.

676
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,920
Here's the other thing is they from
time to time will have a Saturday

677
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,960
college football game in that venue in
addition to the Cowboys playing in that venue

678
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,360
on the weekend. So you've got
to juggle on where do you have the

679
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,719
fight in relation to that? So
just interesting. I am concerned, not

680
00:40:52,880 --> 00:41:00,000
ultra concerned that I don't know if
Serrano and Taylor's rematch will be a cat

681
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:04,440
visualty again like it is now.
We get to October November and Mike Tyson

682
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,119
has more health problems hypothetically and we
lose the Taylor Serrano fight again because we're

683
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:12,639
waiting five more months. It concerns
I'm pretty I'm pretty sure that you know

684
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,599
if that, if, if,
if that worst case scenario that you just

685
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:20,599
mentioned happened, Taylor Toronto is still
a huge and attractive and important fight on

686
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:22,679
its own, that maybe it wouldn't
be done on the same parameters as it's

687
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,039
being done in the in the uh
CO feature of this Tyson and Jake Paul

688
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:30,519
event, but they will still be
able to fight. I would assume because

689
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:34,400
somebody will want to put up the
money. I have no problem selling tickets

690
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,639
for a fight like that. It
could you can put that in, you

691
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:39,079
know, any number of major arenas
around the United States and draw a big

692
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:43,639
crowd, whether back at Madison Square, Gardener elsewhere. Uh. And so

693
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,639
you know, it may may be
delayed, but look, Amanda and Katie

694
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,840
are are great fighters, and they're
going to be first ballot Hall of famers,

695
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,719
and they obviously haven't a phenomenally memorable
first fight, and they've got tremendous

696
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,719
accomplishments besides just that fight. But
they're near the end of their careers.

697
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,239
So I think whatever it takes,
they're willing to wait, you know,

698
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,400
even if it's just a few more
months to put on a the fight that's

699
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,599
going to pay them more money than
any other and b the fight that the

700
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,079
boxing public wants to see more than
any other in terms of women's boxing.

701
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:16,039
So I'm not concerned about that fight
if it has to got. You know,

702
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:19,360
if the worst seat case there happened
and I got post on a little

703
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,079
bit longer, so be it.
That's life, all right. More news

704
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:30,000
and disturbing news about Deontay Wilder.
When last we saw him Zelaijang wiped him

705
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,519
out in Saudi Arabia. I keep
saying this is more than likely the end

706
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,639
of Wilder on the biggest stage.
And now we have accusations from his fiance

707
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:44,400
that he has been abusive physically of
her on numerous occasions, including recently she's

708
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:50,079
gotten a restraining order. Not good
on the personal standpront point for Deontay Wilder,

709
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,400
what are your thoughts from what you've
any reporting and what else you've found

710
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,960
out. This is not good.
It's important to distinguish he's not under arrest,

711
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,519
but the fact that this stuff is
being brought up not good. No,

712
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:05,159
it's not good. I mean,
it's very unfortunate. And you know

713
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:08,280
his fiance who's been together with for
many, many years. They have a

714
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,920
daughter together who six years old.
Telly Swift is her name, And if

715
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,800
you've been around Deonta's fights for his
events, she's you know, been by

716
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,760
his side for a long long time. You know, I can't say I

717
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,800
know her well. I've met her. She seems like a like a nice

718
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,599
enough lady to talk to and whatever. But she she filed for a temporary

719
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:29,039
restraining order and it was granted.
This was in Los Angeles and in her

720
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,840
application this is again according to the
reporting from TMZ, that one of the

721
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,280
things she outlined of the various situations
of you know, her accusations of abuse,

722
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,280
that she was worried that when he
came back from having lost the fight

723
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,280
to Zang the way he did,
that he would become violent. He had

724
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,440
kicked her out of their home apparently
according to what she says with Atlanta,

725
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,559
and she was with the daughter living
in another residence today own in Los Angeles.

726
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,440
And it's just sad to see,
I mean, it's it's unfortunate so

727
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,400
that the tro o was granted though
appear before a judge yes, in the

728
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,199
coming weeks to go over whatever happened. Uh, and we'll have to just

729
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:07,159
see what what goes from there.
But it just feels like Deontay, you

730
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:09,760
know, it's one thing to see
your professional life falling apart with the way

731
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,280
he took that loss, where you
kind of know what the writing is on

732
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,679
the wall, Uh, that your
career, you know, at least at

733
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:19,719
the highest level, is basically over
unfortunately, and then you have this situation

734
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:23,599
that has clearly been festering for a
while in your personal life. That you

735
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:27,000
know, sometimes if you have problems
in your personal life, you can turn

736
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:32,400
your focus to your professional life.
And sometimes if problems in your professional life,

737
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,559
you know, you can take salason
that things are going okay in your

738
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:37,239
personal life. Right now, in
terms of Deontay Wilder's life, it seems

739
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,320
like there's a lot of issues on
both fans and then of course, uh,

740
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,880
you know, his fiance and their
daughter are obviously, you know,

741
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,760
affected by this greatly too, because
you know pretty sure they just want their

742
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:49,480
their their partner, and their father
back in a good way, not in

743
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:52,559
this negative situation. So you know, I just wish the best for everybody

744
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:54,519
in the whole case. But her, I'll tell you one thing, her

745
00:44:54,760 --> 00:45:00,320
her accusations were somewhat detailed and very
disturbing. It's been going on on for

746
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,360
years, according to her, numerous
different instances. Now, how much has

747
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,840
she reported in the past, And
again, I'm not gonna be labor that

748
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,840
because a lot of times of victims, alleged victims, are fearful to even

749
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,079
go forward and say this is going
on, this is happening. But his

750
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,920
personal life is a mess, and
I find him to be very engaging.

751
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,800
He's been on with us on the
podcast he was on with you recently.

752
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,199
But he's got a lot of mess
in his personal life with other kids by

753
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,440
other women in Alabama, and you
just I'm concerned that all of it's gonna

754
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,239
unravel for Deontay Wilder coming up.
Bottom line, I hope, yeah,

755
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:42,519
right now. The bottom line is
this is that he's got to stay one

756
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,119
hundred yards away from her, the
daughter. The daughter, right, and

757
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:49,840
then they've got apparently a meeting with
the judge June twenty fifth, according to

758
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,320
the recording. So there is the
latest on that with the former WBC heavyweight

759
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,280
champ. All Right, Hall of
Fame weekend this weekend. I know you

760
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,199
were watching the ceremony on Sunday the
International Boxing Hall of Fame, of which

761
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,159
you are a voter. Give me
a little more on that because you talked

762
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:08,079
in the preview mode about those that
would be there, et cetera. What

763
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:12,400
are your what are your thoughts having
seen the induction ceremony real quick? Well,

764
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,559
I mean thankfully the You know,
for many years it was hard to

765
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:16,400
see the induction ceremony. You either
you couldn't see it at all, or

766
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,800
be you had to attend it,
which I have done, or you'd have

767
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,840
to hope that somebody you know,
with a handheld camera or something like that

768
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,480
would maybe catch a part of it
and put it on YouTube or something like

769
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,039
that, and you'd search around for
it. But thankfully, the Hall of

770
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:31,000
Fame uh, you know, has
embraced at least somewhat in terms of technology,

771
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,960
and they put it a livestream on
their YouTube channel. So I was

772
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,679
able to just sit back on Sunday
afternoon and spend an hour or so hour

773
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,000
and a half watching the ceremony.
It was great. I mean I always

774
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:42,920
enjoy it, you know, as
I as I said on my tour,

775
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,039
I laughed, I cried, I
mean, it was it was great to

776
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:50,119
watch. I maybe I'm more moved
by seeing the inductions in recent years because

777
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:53,960
they're at a point now with fighters
who pretty much everybody that's being inducted now

778
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,880
in terms of at least a modern
category are all people that I know and

779
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,960
covered, which is different than just
seeing great fighters who maybe met or maybe

780
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,719
covered a little bit, you know. But but the guys being inducted,

781
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,800
uh that were aducted on Sunday air, I covered all of them. I

782
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,960
mean, Ricky Hatten, Diego corrals, Ivan Caldern. I covered numerous of

783
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,039
their fights and knew all of them, and they're met family members, you

784
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:16,920
know. Michael Moore was inducted also. I I've met Michael several times.

785
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,519
I wrote about the end of his
career. I covered you know, maybe

786
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:22,760
one or two of his fights in
person, but you know, not not

787
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,239
at his heyday. But that's the
exception these days. So I'm a little

788
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,320
bit more emotional about it, I
guess when it's guys that I've known and

789
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,239
covered and you know, written extensively
about. I mean, I don't know

790
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,719
if I've written probably hundreds of thousands
of words by Ricky Hadden, one hundred

791
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,920
thousand words about his career, you
know, over the years. So that

792
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:43,079
was it was. It was good
to see it. Everybody gave very you

793
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,559
know, different kind of speeches,
but they were there was something to take

794
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,480
from all of them. One of
them is just the uh, you know,

795
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:53,199
the appreciation that all these men and
women that were inducted had for the

796
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,960
work that's done by the Hall of
Fame folks, Ed Brophy and his team

797
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,039
and uh and the fans that turn
out. I mean in the city of

798
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:04,400
Canistota, the town of Canistoda that
turns out and puts on the old fashioned

799
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,599
parade. So I just s thoroughly
enjoyed. I liked hearing you know,

800
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:12,320
my good buddy Fred Starnberg, the
public relations man, who gave some great

801
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,039
stories about him and getting involved in
the in the business and his early days

802
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:19,639
working with Winky Wright and and helping
you know, and it was funny.

803
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:22,360
I didn't I kind of forgot about
this at the time, but when Winky

804
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,519
Wright and had his two fights with
Shane Mosley, Winky was basically Fred's first

805
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:30,480
client when Fred broke out on his
own and he was working for Gary Shaw

806
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,320
when he took him on as a
client, and Gary was working with Winky

807
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,679
and then when he made the fight
with Shane Mosley. By that time,

808
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,000
Fred was representing Winky as a publicist
and Shane and so he's like, well,

809
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,920
who am I going to keep?
And they both wanted to stay with

810
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,239
him, so he he gave some
funny stories about, you know, trying

811
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,760
the balancing act of doing their fights
together but trying to keep it even between

812
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,039
you know, working with Winky and
Shane on the same event. So that

813
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:57,639
was great stuff. And hearing Ricky
Hatton recount you know, his time and

814
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,880
uh and the things he's been through
up you know, good and dad with

815
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,000
always with a sense of humor was
tremendous. They saved him for the last

816
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,639
speech of the night, given that
he was you know, probably the biggest

817
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:12,199
name. Michael Moore gave some very
good remarks and made the point to talk

818
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,239
about the need for boxers posts there
boxing career to have you know, an

819
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:20,000
insurance policy or some kind of you
know, safety net, because too many

820
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,079
fall through the cracks. He one
of them talked about, not in this

821
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,960
speech, but in the lead up
to the inductions, about how basically he's

822
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,360
broke after making millions of dollars in
his career, which is you know,

823
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,320
unfortunate, not surprising though happens all
the time, Yeah, frequently. They

824
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,519
had wonderful remarks from from the widow
of Nick Charles, who spoke about about

825
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:44,800
his life and career and his relationship. She recounted a story that when Nick

826
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,039
this is probably about what ten eleven
years ago, when he passed. When

827
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:52,079
Nick was dying, the person that
called Nick basically every single day, she

828
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:57,159
said, three four times a day
just to talk to him was Mike Tyson

829
00:49:57,199 --> 00:50:00,840
who he had known and then become
somewhat close to when he covered him so

830
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:06,920
extensively when he was with CNN.
And then there was they had the UH

831
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:09,599
three. They had the brother of
Diego Corrals and two of Diego's children to

832
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,840
speak who gave, you know,
great remarks about his career in life.

833
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,360
It was just, you know,
it's always a great ceremony to watch UH.

834
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,400
While Matthews whoy I covered many many
fights at ringside with UH during when

835
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,480
he was writing for you know,
various New York newspapers and when we were

836
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:29,760
colleagues at ESPN, talked about you
know he's involved in and UH and his

837
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,159
appreciation for the honor because all he
did was watch the guys and tell the

838
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,079
world what they did as opposed to
what the athletes did. So it was

839
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,320
just everybody, you know, hit
the right notes. I felt like in

840
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,320
their in their remarks. It was
really a wonderful ceremony. And UH.

841
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,400
You know it's still available if they
don't want to watch it, it's on

842
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,440
the International Boxing All of Fam YouTube
channel. You know, you can fast

843
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,039
forward to if there's a certain inductee
that you want to watch. But it

844
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:53,800
was it was great solf about Jane
Couch also by the way, from Britain,

845
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,199
who overcame a lot because she was
not allowed to box in Britain because

846
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:00,440
it was against the law, and
her talking about her her trials and tribulations

847
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,719
and her appreciation for the United States
of America because this is where she was

848
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,920
able to come when she wasn't able
to box in Britain and be welcomed here.

849
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:13,199
And you know, given credit to
the other female boxers that that were

850
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,880
also pioneered. She talked about Anne
Wolf and some of the others of that

851
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,199
time. Right, It was just
it was great stuff. If you're a

852
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:21,280
boxing fan, it's just such a
great uh, you know, to just

853
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,280
take the time and listen to what
these these these people say about about their

854
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,840
involvement and what it meant to them, and their appreciation for where they are

855
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,239
now. And it's great, by
the way, to see many of these

856
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,559
people, particularly the fighters anyway,
well past their careers but still look good

857
00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:39,159
and sound good and you know,
have you know, good things to say,

858
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:43,920
and you know they're not broken down
and bitter like sometimes these people become

859
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,320
later in life. But this group
anyway seemed like things were pretty pretty solid

860
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:52,159
for everybody, thankfully, and that
leads us to the nostalgia. You were

861
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:57,480
just talking about nostalgia with the Hall
of Fame. It was forty six years

862
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:01,000
ago today as we get this podcast
recorded and released June ninth, nineteen seventy

863
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:07,400
eight, that a phenomenal finish to
a heavyweight title fight between Larry Holmes and

864
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,599
Ken Norton took place in Las Vegas. Norton had been bestowed as the WBC

865
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,719
heavyweight champ. Is it still the
case, by the way, that he's

866
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,800
the only heavyweight champion to never win
a title fight? He was at that

867
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,079
time, he was for a while. I think it is. The WBC

868
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:24,400
made him the heavyweight CHAMPI it wasn't
for the vacant title. They made him

869
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,559
the champ, and Larry Holmes beat
him in this fight, in a wild

870
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:31,639
fight, in particular the fifteenth round, Dan Rayphield, when we talk about

871
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:37,559
all time rounds, my lord,
that fifteenth round. I believe I've said

872
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:39,800
this forever, and we've talked about
it maybe briefly before on our conversations,

873
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,360
that may be the greatest fifteenth round
in any fight ever. It certainly to

874
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,360
me is in heavyweight history. And
nobody got knocked down with all the big

875
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,320
bombs, nobody knocked down. What
a great fifteenth round? And what else

876
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,800
do you want to say about Norton
and Holmes, just that it was their

877
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,239
incredible culmination of what was already a
great fight. I mean, if you

878
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,119
like heavyweight act and you like high
stakes heavy towaight championships, including by the

879
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:04,840
way, two guys who were in
the Hall of Fame, as we were

880
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,960
just talking about the inductions of Kenny
Norton and Larry Holmes are in the Hall

881
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,760
of Fame. Just it doesn't get
better. I mean, this was high

882
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,840
stakes. And the thing is,
of course, you know this is very

883
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,960
famous. Larry Holmes went in there
with a biceps injury and you wouldn't have

884
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,679
known the way that he fought because
he laid it all out there and it

885
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,880
came down literally to round fifteen that
the winner of round fifteen turned out to

886
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,920
be the winner of the fight,
and it was Larry Holmes, you know,

887
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:30,559
in a just a bruising, very
very rough, harsh battle. It

888
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:34,039
is one of the most classic heavyweight
championship fights in the history of the of

889
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:37,559
the at least in terms of heavyweight
championship fights that have been recorded to video

890
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:40,119
anyway, I can't tell you about
the fights that weren't recorded back on in

891
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:42,880
the old days. That's you know, that type of thing. But in

892
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,880
terms of since you know, TV
and video existed that it doesn't get better

893
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,239
in this in terms of heavyweight title
fight, it was just a ball so

894
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,519
the wall kind of fight between these
two guys, both guys with big bombs,

895
00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:58,239
both guys with great chins, and
the thing that was beautiful about it

896
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,480
again, you know what will date
our So this was live on ABC in

897
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:06,159
prime time. This was not a
one review you know, you know,

898
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:08,760
we're in a time now where they
asked forty bucks for Brona versus Blair Cops.

899
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,920
This was forty This was free on
ABC in prime time. I mean,

900
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,840
this is no pay per view,
no streaming service, back when people

901
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:21,760
had basically three or four TV channels
to choose from, and so it had

902
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,320
a huge audience. It was in
the Caesars Palace Sports Pavilion, which is

903
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,239
the smaller, not the big famous
outdoor arena they would build for the big,

904
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,480
big fights, but the five six
thousand cedar that was there that my

905
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:37,679
only put it like this my dime
of covering boxing the heyday of Caesars as

906
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,639
the host hotel had kind of passed. They were the host hotel for some

907
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:44,800
events who took place at the Thomas
and Maxenter. So I've stayed at Caesar's

908
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,800
Palace and covered fights they were involved
with on a number of occasions. But

909
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,239
the only time I ever was in
the Caesars Palace Sports Pavilion was not for

910
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,039
any of the number of great fights
that were there, Holmes Versus Norton,

911
00:54:54,440 --> 00:55:00,559
you know, Sugar Ray Leonard against
Benitez, wil Fredo Gomez against against Salvador

912
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:02,960
Sanchez, on and on and on. My only experience with the Sports Billion

913
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:07,719
is it was the media center during
the fight weeks when Roy Jones fought John

914
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,480
Ruiz for the BBA heavyweight title.
But the point is this was not in

915
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:15,440
the big, huge arena, but
it was a phenomenal fight, as good

916
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:21,760
as it gets, and it was
a long time ago and it's still after

917
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,440
all those years, one of the
most memorable heavyweight fights ever. And like

918
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,440
you said, in terms of fifteenth
rounds, like there, if you were

919
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,519
to like go through boxing history and
you like pick the best, not the

920
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:35,199
fifteen best rounds, but the best
round for each number round, Like,

921
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,880
what's the best first round? You
might say probably Hagler and Hearns. Yes,

922
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:43,719
what's the best fifth round? You
might say, I think it was

923
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,400
Gaddy Ward, Bara Morales won.
You know, if you were to say

924
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:52,360
what's the best tenth round, you
would probably say Corrals Castillo off the top

925
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,400
of my head. Yes, But
then you were to say what's the best

926
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:58,599
fifteenth round, You'd be hard pressed
to find a better one than Homes Kenny

927
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:02,320
Norton and I was gonna go there
with Hagler Hearn's opening round where they're just

928
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:07,280
waylaying and nobody gets knocked down.
This is not quite that extent, but

929
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,880
they're bombing each other Holmes and Norton
and I always love bringing this up,

930
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,559
and I brought it up with you
before. When you go back and see

931
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:20,199
the video on social media where YouTube
it up? Holmes Norton, June ninth,

932
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,360
what nineteen seventy eight, forty six
years ago, Watch in the third

933
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:31,920
row TV left in the third row
where one Sylvester Stallone of Rocky fame is

934
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:37,239
standing for like the whole back half
of the fight with Chevy Chase White Hot

935
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:44,440
actor Saturday Night Live Movies and the
Roberto Duran. The three of them are

936
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,719
going absolutely crazy during the final rounds
and the fifteenth round of that fight.

937
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:53,239
It's as ain't entertaining to watch them
as a Where's Waldo watched the fight and

938
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,719
watch the end of the fight to
tell you how good it was. I

939
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:01,000
just want to explain about why they
bestowed the title one or because when Larry,

940
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:07,199
when Muhammad Ali lost to Leon Spinks
and lost the title, Leon Spinks,

941
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:10,280
you know, gave him the immediate
rematch, which I guess was I

942
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,320
don't know if it was in their
contract, but the bottom line was that

943
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,000
made the most sense. And so
yeah, Kenny Norton had been sitting there

944
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,159
as a number one contender. This
is back when they didn't use interim titles,

945
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,360
and so when they didn't go through
it that fight, he had won

946
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,320
the eliminator. Rather than make him
fight another fight for the title, he

947
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,960
just basically was in what would be
today an interim champion being elevated to the

948
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,719
full champion, which is what he
was, and then made the first defense

949
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,679
against Larry Holmes, which was I
believe a mandatory fight and he ended up

950
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:38,760
losing it. So he got the
belt, but never defended it and never

951
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,880
actually officially won it in the ring, although I guess if you looked at

952
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,840
the eliminator that he won, that
would be I guess the fight that would

953
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,800
count as his title victory. But
that's just to explain why that was the

954
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,880
way it was. I believe it's
still the case. He's the only heavyweight

955
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,320
champ that never won a heavyweight title
fight. And Holmes Band. Holmes had

956
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,480
such a great chin for all the
accolades about the jab and the big right

957
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:01,440
hand and the victories. He could
take a punch and he had to on

958
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:07,760
that night. Couple more quick nostalgia
items moving forward to June ninth of two

959
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,119
thousand and seven Sunday, as we
released the podcast into Monday. Sunday,

960
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:17,039
June ninth, seventeen years ago,
Miguel Coto TKO went over zab Judas speaking

961
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:21,039
of New York, speaking of Madison
Square Garden, speaking of the Puerto Rican

962
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:23,800
Parade, Eve, you were there, What do you remember? I know

963
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,760
you were putting out memorabilia on the
social media about that night. What else

964
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,840
do you remember about that fight and
Coto's win? Spectacular night. You know,

965
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,000
I've talked often when we discussed atmospheres
of fights. I've done this with

966
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:39,280
you as well as others, and
I always bring up to William Joppy fight

967
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:45,079
against Felix Trinidad, and even maybe
Miguel Coto's fight the rematch he had there

968
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,159
against Antonio Margarito. But if you're
for my money anyway, in terms of

969
00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:52,960
the atmospheres, I've been at Madison
Square Garden Anthony Joshua against Andy Ruiz their

970
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,639
first fight, Miguel Coto against Zab
Judah was way way up there. Just

971
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:00,920
a phenomenal atmosphere because you had not
only the great Puerto Rican crowd that was

972
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,880
there to support Codo who was defending
his welterweight title, but I remember Zab's

973
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,599
a New York fighter, and Zab
was a popular fighter who had his own

974
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:12,119
fan base and they turned out.
So this had the best of both worlds.

975
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:15,320
You had a great New York crowd
many were rooting for Judah, got

976
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:20,800
a great Puerto Rican crowd rooting for
Miguel Coto, and then just boxing fans

977
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,360
that may have been from New York
that maybe were split, but it was

978
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:28,280
just an unbelievable atmosphere. It was
a terrific fight. It was a really

979
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,679
good match fight. Zab was still
good at that time. Coto was just

980
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:35,280
coming into his own and it was
just a bruising back and forth. There

981
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,000
had been you know, cuts and
knockdowns and appoint deductions and just a ball

982
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:42,440
to the wall kind of fight.
Judah, you know, finally was kind

983
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,079
of broken down. He took a
knee in the ninth round after being you

984
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:49,039
know, having Quota just kind of
poured on and then Codo got the stoppage

985
00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:52,199
in the eleventh round, and you
know, they called the fight. I

986
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:57,039
posted the picture of the poster explosive
X you know, dash and P l

987
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:00,719
O S I V with the big
explanation point. It lived up to that.

988
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,440
It's like, you know, that
was what they were hoping for in

989
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,119
the promotion, and it lived up
to that. Was a really outstanding fight,

990
01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:09,800
and to this day it's probably one
of my I think it's my second

991
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:14,880
all time favorite Miguel Coto fight,
besides the rematch with Margarito, just because

992
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,039
the way he was able to kick
the ass of the cheater. But having

993
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:23,119
been a fan of Coto, having
you know, been very interested and excited

994
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:27,280
and somewhat of a fan also of
Judah and I've known Zach for a long

995
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,920
time, always liked zaf That was
just a great matchup and they delivered big

996
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,519
time and the garden was going crazy
to that. And that's that was one

997
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:37,639
of those early fights of Miguel's on
the Puerto Rican Parade Day weekend, the

998
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:40,719
eve of that parade, that they
helped build that into what we now see

999
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,239
as a has become a tradition over
the last you know whatever fifteen or twenty

1000
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,840
years or so. And that was
one of those, you know, cornerstone

1001
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,000
events that helped that. That was, you know, the brainchild of top

1002
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,920
rank to find that spot for a
Puerto Rican the same way we see big

1003
01:00:55,159 --> 01:01:00,119
Mexican fights on Cinco Demio or the
September Holiday. They found this date for

1004
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,639
a Puerto Rican fighter and a xanders
Ice they think might be the next guy,

1005
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:08,880
but the first guy that got that
date was Miguel Cota was basically created

1006
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:13,039
for him. And this is one
of those quintessential fights on that date.

1007
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:19,199
Spectacular, spectacular fight and just a
great atmosphere. Neil Codo for sure,

1008
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:23,159
all right. And then on Tuesday
this coming week is the nineteenth anniversary of

1009
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:27,559
the last time Mike Tyson officially fought, when Kevin McBride beat him. You

1010
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:31,679
have talked even recently about being around
that and covering that. We do make

1011
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:36,440
mention that he fought Roy Jones in
an exhibition. We know that, but

1012
01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:40,440
this is the last in twenty twenty. This is the last official boxing match,

1013
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,000
and Tyson was taking losses at the
end of his career. We talked

1014
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:47,400
back on the preview podcast about Lennox
Lewis beating him. He was beaten several

1015
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:52,199
times at the end of his career, including by someone named Kevin McBride nineteen

1016
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:57,159
years ago. Tuesday. Now you
mentioned about how you know he had the

1017
01:01:57,239 --> 01:02:00,719
exhibition against Roy Jones back in twenty
twenty. People kind of forget that too,

1018
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,519
like soon after this fight, I
think in two thousand and six,

1019
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:07,679
so about a year or so after
he retired, he actually had another exhibition

1020
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:12,960
against Cory Sanders, who was one
of his sporring partners. There's two Corey

1021
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,840
Centers. There was the South African
Cory Sentators that defeated of Vladimir Klitsch going

1022
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,639
the big upset, and then there
was the Cory Sanders whose last name was

1023
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:25,719
spelled with an ey who was an
African American fighter from Washington, d C.

1024
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:30,000
Who actually served as one of Mike's
sparring partners at times, and they

1025
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,920
had an exhibition also. That was
the only other exhibition that Mike had after

1026
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,679
his retirement before the Right Jones fight. But in terms of this fight against

1027
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:37,199
McBride, who in the world would
ever thought that we'd be here now,

1028
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:42,719
what nineteen years later talking about this
fight as it may not be Mike Tyson's

1029
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:45,480
final fight because he's now got another
fight scheduled against Ja Paul, which blows

1030
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:49,760
my fucking mind. But this was
a big event, I mean for me

1031
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,880
anyway. I had a lot of
access to Tyson. The fight was in

1032
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,000
Washington DC. I live in the
Washington d suburbs in Virginia, so I

1033
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:01,440
spent time at the gym with Tyson. I got to watch him spar his

1034
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,880
final sparring session I was there to
do. I did multi interviews with him,

1035
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,679
both by myself as well as in
the scrum and uh I was I

1036
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:15,679
had watched him. So the fight
itself was not anything like a Great Shakes

1037
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,360
kind of fight. He got you
know, he got knocked down. He

1038
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:22,320
basically quit on the stool uh.
His trainer that fight was Jeff Fennick,

1039
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,000
who's a Hall of Famer also one
of the great Australian fighters of all time,

1040
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:30,079
maybe the greatest Australian fighter of all
time with the nuggets. But I

1041
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:34,039
would you with those goods. Look, I would have never known that till

1042
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:37,480
you just said that, did Jeff
Jeff Finnick? And that was the only

1043
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,000
fight Finnick work with him or did
he work with him before? That was

1044
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,280
just that was the only fight.
I mean, Mike and Jeff were were

1045
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,960
good friends, wow, but that
was the one fight that Jeff was his

1046
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,360
his his trainer for crazy And what
I remember about it though, is so

1047
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:52,000
more for me anyway. And I've
told this story after the fight was over,

1048
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:57,480
and this is part of what's part
is what is my rationale for when

1049
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,800
I think about the possibility of Mike
fighting Jake Paul is that when the fight

1050
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,400
was over and the pro fight press
commerce is over and Tyson was still sitting

1051
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,800
at the dais. And by the
way, this is before there was five

1052
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:11,079
hundred people with phone cameras and YouTube
channels that didn't exist. It was basically

1053
01:04:11,159 --> 01:04:13,920
just you know, the print media
at that point. For the most part,

1054
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,079
and I sat at the table at
the press conference afterwards, me Tyson

1055
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,400
and I was at ESPN. But
my former colleague from the USA Today,

1056
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,920
who was still a columnist at that
paper, John Saracino, and Tyson spoke

1057
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,920
to us for over half an hour
and it was like we were the bartenders

1058
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,440
and he was born. He told
us, and he basically said he's over

1059
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,400
it. He didn't want any part
of boxing anymore. Went on for thirty

1060
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,360
minutes, right, so exactly so
I remember that. But the thing I

1061
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:41,719
did I remember more so than the
fight itself. And they had a great

1062
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:45,039
crowd in washing lots of people that
turned out Mike was a beloved figure.

1063
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,119
Is going to the gym in Washington, d C. During the week of

1064
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:54,039
the fight. This is probably like
on the maybe Monday of the fight week.

1065
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,119
His last sparring session might even have
been the Friday before the fight.

1066
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,960
Ham Johnson, who was the father
of the great Hall of Famer Mark Johnson,

1067
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,480
Mark two Sharp Johnson had as a
gym in the city that's very very

1068
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:10,920
small. It sits above a body
shop. Like the gym is so small

1069
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,719
you can't really fit a regulation ring
the mansion. Wise in there, so

1070
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,880
instead of like a twenty by twenty
foot ring that would be standard, it

1071
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,719
was like a fucking folm with them
might have been like, I know,

1072
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:26,679
eighteen by eighteen, sixteen by sixteen
it was small whatever. Anyway, So

1073
01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:30,360
I went there and Tyson sparred with
an Australian fighter named Bob Mirovich, who

1074
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,519
was a journeyman kind of fighter,
but big and strong, had the same

1075
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:39,840
kind of size as Kevin McBride,
very sturdy fighter, great chin and I

1076
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:43,159
sat there and watch again. This
was one of those I've had the privilege

1077
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:47,159
of twice being like the only immediate
person allowed to watch Mike sparr. Right

1078
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:51,320
before the fight, I told the
story about when he sparred against Jeff Cageese

1079
01:05:51,679 --> 01:05:56,480
leading up to the Andrew Golotafi right
before I conducted my first ever interview with

1080
01:05:56,519 --> 01:05:59,840
Mike Tyson. But on this day
I was in the gym watching him go.

1081
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:01,599
Corey Sanders was the other sporting spar
part that I mentioned, but he

1082
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:05,719
didn't start with Mike day that day. He just did the rounds with uh,

1083
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:10,039
you know, with Mirravic that day
and Tyson elated on him and I'm

1084
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:12,400
like, man, he's gonna fuck
up Kevin McBride bad. I mean,

1085
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,039
Mike was Mirravic was a solid.
He didn't have a great record, but

1086
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:18,199
he could take a punch. And
Tyson was hurting him, you know,

1087
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:23,360
in the big gloves with the head
gear, just ramming him with these moss

1088
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,719
massive shots. And uh, I
wrote a whole piece about that. So

1089
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,400
I thought, Mike is gonna just
pummel Kevin McBride, who was really completely

1090
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,760
unaccomplished at that point. Uh.
And little did I know that Mike,

1091
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,119
you know, just did not have
the heart to keep going when he got

1092
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:39,360
touched with some shots, ended up
quitting. But that was quite an experience.

1093
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,159
It was at that a fight week
leading up to this fight that we're

1094
01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:45,960
talking about that I had another occasion
in that in that gym, but in

1095
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:51,519
like a little conference area where I
sat with Mike and Faniic and Mike's manager,

1096
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:55,880
Shelly Finkel, and we did what
turned out to be a story because

1097
01:06:56,079 --> 01:07:00,159
the key I recoverage at ESPN at
the time was this is the twentieth year

1098
01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:03,679
of Tyson as a professional. So
one of the things we did was twenty

1099
01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:09,519
topics with Tyson. So it wasn't
just about the McBride fight. I had

1100
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:12,840
a chance to sit with Mike on
two separate occasions in the in the week

1101
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,599
or two leading up to that fight, and just go over all kinds of

1102
01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:17,199
stuff. You know, tell me
your members of your pro debut, tell

1103
01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:20,480
me about you know about custom otto, tell me whatever was you know,

1104
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,599
your person, you know, you
know your thoughts on marriage, because he

1105
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:27,679
had been he had gone through some
terrible divorces and why there was never a

1106
01:07:27,679 --> 01:07:30,840
Buster Douglas tr match. It was
just all these random like topics with Tyson

1107
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:33,360
that I was able to make into
a really cool story. And he talked

1108
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,960
about, you know, every topic
that you could think of at that time.

1109
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,119
It was fascinating and he was open. He was tremendous with me that

1110
01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:42,400
to do that, you know,
because some of the questions weren't like things

1111
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,800
you necessarily want to relive. But
Mike was a total gentleman and it's the

1112
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,079
complete opposite. And when I met
him that first time, I've told the

1113
01:07:48,119 --> 01:07:50,960
story, which was horrendous. By
this time, now i'd covered Mike for

1114
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,960
a while, he knew me,
and uh, it was, it was.

1115
01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:57,480
It was a lot of the fight
may not have gone the way Mike

1116
01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:00,079
wanted it to go or in any
of his people. But from my perspective,

1117
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,840
it was as enjoyable of a fight
week experience with Tyson because he was

1118
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,159
as good as you could ask for, not only with myself but with all

1119
01:08:08,199 --> 01:08:10,800
the media guys. I remember there
was another time we were getting ready for

1120
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,760
the you know, this was like
maybe before the press commerce or after the

1121
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,159
workout. Myself and like a handful
of other journalists that were there to cover

1122
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:18,720
the fight. They were they were. We were down in the in the

1123
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:24,000
locker room area at the at the
university where they were conducting a lot of

1124
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,800
the fight with activities, and he
sat and he bullshit with us for like

1125
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:30,039
forty five minutes, and it was
just a stream of consciousness Tyson. It

1126
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:32,039
gave us all great shit to write, you know, during the build up

1127
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:35,399
to this fight. He just sometimes
don't have that kind of access these days

1128
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:40,720
anymore with these major fights, But
that Tyson. Tyson was. He may

1129
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,760
not have been still very good in
the ring, but in terms of dealing

1130
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,479
with the media, which he was
a lot of times had problems with,

1131
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,840
this was as good as you're gonna
ever get with Tyson. Lead into the

1132
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:53,159
Kemmic Pride fight. There you go, great stuff, and then McBride obviously

1133
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:56,279
went on to the wind and might
still around. And now just my memory

1134
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:59,680
about one other thing I thought about. So again, I was working for

1135
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:03,039
esp Insides writing. We were covering
the way in live on Sports Center,

1136
01:09:03,159 --> 01:09:06,199
and I was the one that was
going to conduct the interviews with the fighters

1137
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:10,039
when they came off to scale,
and so, you know, you only

1138
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:12,479
have a you got to you gotta
have like, you know, maybe two

1139
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,319
questions for each guy. And so
I had what I was going to ask

1140
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:19,079
both guys, and the gride steps
to me after he weighs in, and

1141
01:09:19,119 --> 01:09:21,319
I forget what I asked him,
but he answers my question and he talks

1142
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:24,279
about his mentality for the fight,
and I'm like, you know, I'm

1143
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,319
ready to go physically, and you
know what, I'm ready to go mentally

1144
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:30,880
because I've been working with my hypnotist
and this was the first time anybody.

1145
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:32,800
He had never mentioned it on anybody
leading up to the fight, and I'm

1146
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:34,319
like, hitness, I had to
change up. I'm like, you know,

1147
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,079
I asked him about the hypnotist,
which was like a wild thing because

1148
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:40,399
it was sort of like so out
of left field that he worked with a

1149
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,720
hypnotist to get prepared for this fight. So that just made me think about

1150
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,880
that asking him that live on Sports
Center back in you know, nineteen years

1151
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,279
ago. It worked. It worked. He won that night over the next

1152
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:54,840
night over Mike twice and listen.
Busy show covered a lot recap mode Zias

1153
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:59,079
win, Carrington win, Colaso title
defense. Some news we'll see about the

1154
01:09:59,119 --> 01:10:03,039
latest on Ryan Stick with Dan substack
his social media as well as Big Fight

1155
01:10:03,039 --> 01:10:09,000
Weekend dot Com the latest with that
with Deontay Wilder as well with the restraining

1156
01:10:09,079 --> 01:10:12,840
order against him, et cetera.
And you are headed to Vegas, my

1157
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,680
friend. We will talk to you
next from the desert for Jervonte Davis and

1158
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,600
the Ghost, Frank Martin and David
Benavitez in the co feature fight. We

1159
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:26,520
look forward to that. Gonna be
fight week out in Vegas, my friend.

1160
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,399
I know you're headed there and we
look forward to talking to you later

1161
01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:30,960
in the week. Rememberything that's going
to go on with that latest pay per

1162
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,439
view. Yeah, I'm excited that
it'll be a good event. I'm excited

1163
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,520
not only for the paper to you, because I think it's got some nice

1164
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,680
fights on it, but I'm looking
forward to celebrating and being part of the

1165
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,560
festivities as they celebrate the one hundredth
boxing event to take place at the MGM

1166
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,680
Grand Garden Arena, of which I've
covered, you know, dozens of those.

1167
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,359
I actually count I did. It'll
be my fifty six Grand Garden fight.

1168
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:53,720
Incredible for a lot of those.
And we see Jervonte Davis for the

1169
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,359
first time in over a year,
and again he's had a jail stint.

1170
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,199
He's back. What kind of how
does he look? What kind of threat

1171
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:05,159
is Martin? We'll see, We'll
find all that out coming up later this

1172
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:08,119
week. Listen, my friend,
have a good week, save travels to

1173
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:11,840
Vegas. Appreciate it as always.
Dan Rayth here, Thank you, sir,

1174
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:15,239
and thank you for listening and finding
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1175
01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:18,000
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1176
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:23,760
recap. We enjoy bringing it to
preview going into the weekend recap off for

1177
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,760
the weekend. For now, We're
good for Dan Rayfield. I'm TJ.

1178
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,000
Reeves. Thank you for being with
us. Tank Davis. Pay per View

1179
01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:30,880
Fight Week coming up later this week.