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This is Spacetime Series twenty seven,
Episode nineteen, for broadcast on the twurfth

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of February twenty twenty four. Coming
up on Space Time, Astronomers discover a

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surprise in a death star shaped moon, Gino's latest spectacular close flyby of the

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volcanic world of Io, and new
revelations prove organic compounds in asteroids can be

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formed in colder regions of space.
All that and more coming up on space

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Time Welcome to Space Time with Stuart
Gary. Astronomers have discovered a young,

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subsurface liquid water ocean below the icy
crust of Saturn's tiny moon, Mimas.

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Until now, Mimas's biggest claim to
fame was the huge Impact crater in its

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northern hemisphere, which gave the little
moon the appearance of the infamous death star

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in the movie Star Wars. Now, a report in the journal Nature claims

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a review of data from NASA's Cassini
mission indicates the four hundred kilometer wide Moon

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contains a global subsurface ocean beneath its
frozen crust. The data suggests this underground

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ocean still very young by geological standards, just five to fifteen million years old.

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The studies. Lead author Valery Laney
from the Observatoire de Paree says the

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astonishing discovery makes mima sur prime target
for studying the origins of life in our

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solar system. The moon's heavily created
surface gave no hint of the hidden ocean

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beneath. The discovery adds Mimers to
the exclusive club of moons in our Solar

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system that are now known to have
internal oceans, including Saturn's ice Moon and

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Soladus, and the Jovian Galileo Moon's
Europa Ganny meeting Callisto. But the unique

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difference here is the remarkably young age
of Mimas's ocean. The young age has

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been determined through detailed analyzes of Mimas's
title interactions with satin. The discovery of

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an unexpected irregularity in Mimas's orbit suggests
that the ocean formed very recently. As

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a result, Mimas provides a unique
window into the very early stages of ocean

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formation and the potential for life to
emerge. You see here on Earth,

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wherever scientists find water, they find
life. This space time still to come.

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Juno's latest spectacular close flyby of the
volcanic word of Io, and confirmation

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that organic compounds found in asteroids can
be formed in cold regions of space.

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All that and more still to come
on Space Time NASA is Juno's spacecraft has

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just completed its second closed flyby of
the volcanic Jervian moon Io, revealing stunning

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erupting volcanoes blasting iridescent blue eject at
deep into a velvet black sky. It

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was the second close encounter with this
violent world in a row, the other

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being Juno's previous orbit in December,
and like the December encounter, JUNO swooped

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down within fifteen hundred kilometers of the
molten rock and sulfur covered moon. Io

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is the most volcanically active place in
the Solar System. It's a world where

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instead of weather reports, it'd have
geoscience reports, with fresh volcanic activity in

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the north mountain forming in the east
and new lava lakes forming in the southwest.

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JUNO is studying the three thousand,
three hundred and sixty kilometers wide world

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and its pot marked surface to determine
if Io's active volcanoes are powered by a

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global magma ocean beneath its crust.
Based on current models, scientists believe that

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it magma ocean results from gravitational tidal
forces generated as ioorbit's Jupiter and is constantly

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being stretched and crushed by the gas
giant's overwhelming gravitational pool. Then there's the

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pull of the other Galilean Jovian moons
as Io undertastes its orbit. All this

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causes what's known as geological flexing,
and that results in a build up of

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heat, which causes rocks in the
moon's interior to melt. It's actually very

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similar to what Europa and the other
icy moons are understood to be experiencing,

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where tidal flexing leads to hydrothermal activity
in the core mantle boundary region, melting

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the rock solid water ice into liquid
to form a subsurface ocean. Io is

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the fourth largest moon in our Solar
System and is slightly bigger than Earth's moon.

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iOS volcanism is responsible for many of
its unique features. Its volcanic plumes

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and lava flows produce large crustal changes
and paint the surface in various subtle shades

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of yellow, red, white,
black, and green. Arriving in the

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Jovian System in twenty sixteen, Juno's
the first mission to study Jupiter up close

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from orbit since the Galileo spacecraft studied
the gas giant and its satellites between nineteen

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ninety five and two thousand and three. JUNO has been looking deep below Jupiter's

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dense clouds to investigate the planet's magnetic
field, its composition, at its structure.

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This data is hooping scientists address serious
questions about how Jupiter formed, for

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that matter, the origins of our
Solar system see. As well as being

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the biggest planet in the Solar System, Jupiter is also believed to be the

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oldest planet, having formed just a
million years after the Sun and roughly fifty

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million years before the Earth. Before
Juno arrived, most scientists proposed one of

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two scenarios for the formation of Jupiter. Now, if the planet accreated first

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as a solid body, it would
have consisted of a dense core, a

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surrounding layer of fluid metallic hydrogen with
some helium and extending outwards to about eighty

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percent of the radius the planet.
And then there's an outer layer of atmosphere

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consisting primarily of molecular hydrogen. Now, alternatively, if the planet collapsed directly

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from the gaseous protoplanetary disk which formed
the Sun. It was expected to completely

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lack a core, consisting instead of
a denser and denser fluid predominantly molecular and

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metallic hydrogen all the way to the
center. However, the data from the

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junomission shows that Jupiter actually has a
diffuse core that mixes into the mattel,

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extending for about thirty to fifty percent
of the planet's radius and comprising heavy elements

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with a combined mass seven to twenty
five times that of the Earth. This

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mixing process could have arisen during its
formation or the planet accrete its solids and

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gases from the surrounding nebula. Alternatively, it could have been caused by the

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impact of a planet of about ten
Earth masses a few million years after Jupiter's

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formation, which would have disrupted an
originally solid choviing core. Outside the layer

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of metallic hydrogen lies a transparent interior
atmosphere of hydrogen. At this depth,

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the pressure and temperature will above that
for molecular hydrogen. In this state,

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there are no distinct liquid in gas
phases. Instead, the hydrogen is said

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to be in a supercritical fluid state. The hydrogen and helium gas extending downwards

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from the cloud layer gradually transitions into
a liquid in deeper layers, possibly resembling

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something akin to an ocean of liquid
hydrogen and other supercritical fluids. Physically,

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the gas simply becomes hotter and denser
as the depth increases. Since twenty twenty

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one, JUNO has been on its
extended mission phase, where it's been making

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flybars of some of Jupiter's largest moons, including Ganymede, Europa, and now

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Io. This space time still the
Coum conformation that organic compounds in asteroids can

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be formed in colder regions between the
stars, and the asteroid that impacted near

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Berlin identify it as a rare or
bright All that and more still the corm

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on space time, a new study
is confirmed that some organic compounds, including

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those discovered inside asteroids, may have
originated in cold interstellar space environments. Until

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now, organic compounds were thought to
have formed in hot regions near stars.

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The new findings are reported in the
journal Science have ourbened fresh possibilities for studying

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life beyond Earth. The study has
been analyzing organic compounds known as polycyclic aromatic

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hydrocarbons or PAHs. Polycyclic Aromatic hydrocarbons
are organic compounds made up of carbon and

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hydrogen that are common on Earth,
but are also found in celestial bodies like

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asteroids and meteors. The authors had
been looking for samples from two different asteroids,

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the asteroid Ryugu, a nine hundred
meter wide potentially hazardous neroth asteroid belonging

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to the Apollo group, which was
visited by the Japanese Aerospace Expiration Agencies Hyabusa

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II sample return mission in twenty eighteen, and the Murchison meteorite, which fell

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to Earth near the Victorian rural township
of Murchison back on September twenty eighth,

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nineteen sixty nine. Two of the
studies authors, Letty Gryce and Alex Holman,

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from Curtain University's WA Organic and Isotopic
Geochemistry Center, had performed controlled experiments

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on Australian plants, which were then
isotopically compared to PAHs from both fragments of

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Ryugu and Murchison. They were looking
at the bonds between light and heavy carbon

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isotopes to reveal the temperature at which
they were formed, and they found that

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some polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons from both Ryugu
and Murchison were found to have had different

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characteristics. The smaller ones likely formed
in cold outer space an interstellar environment,

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or bigger ones probably formed in warmer
environments like near a star or in sight

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a celestial body. Hormon says,
understanding the isotopic composition of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons

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helps oun rebel conditions and environments in
which these molecules were created, and that

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offers insights into the history and chemistry
of celestial bodies like asteroids and meteors grisiers.

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The findings provide new insights into how
organic compounds formed beyond the Earth and

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where in space they're likely to come
from. Quite a few years ago,

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we did a series of burn experiments
with Australian plants where we actually burn the

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plants and collect the polycyclocharomatic hydrocarbons which
have been formed on the land through use

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as a comparison of a terrestrial Earth
sauce for these polycyclicaramatic hydrocarbins and they were

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measured alongside the patches from the asteroids
and the Merchison meteorte sample to confirm that

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the source of the phatches in the
asteroid and as a comparison of like temperature

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associated combustion of plant material that was
used as a reference point. I would

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say to compare the other PAHs in
the asteroids. So we provided quite important

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information in terms of what the isotopes
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on land tell me about PAHs are
very common organic molecules because they're very stable

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and easily formed by a variety of
different processes. On Earth, they're normally

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formed in high temperature processes, for
example the combustion of plant material, and

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also in other areas such as hydro
thermal high temperature events under the ocean like

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in DC hydrothermal events, also when
the formation of oil and gas under high

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temperature and pressure. They can be
formed in space. These are generally considered

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to be formed in again high temperature
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at the degree celsius, but it
was also has been theorized that they could

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be formed under low temperature processes within
the interstellar medium between stars, but this

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had never been confirmed experimentally. What
this work was designed to achieve. Was

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it able to achieve that? I
guess it was the samples that were brought

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back from royugu were subjected to a
very advanced analysis of the distribution of isotopes

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in the phs, the light and
heavy aspects of carbon and how they bonded

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together using the advanced and instrumentation available
at Caltech where these study was based,

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and these were able to determine the
temperature that the phs were formed them and

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they did find that certain phs in
royugu and metrocine were formed at low temperature.

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What processes in low temperature would would
do that uldrabol, radiation and shock

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waves as well. Let's go back
to the work you guys did to establish

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the PAHs, the organics that you
burned to achieve that pieces can be from

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leaf litter and a wood particularly,
so just like you would do with a

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wood fire, so you burn and
then the pahi are actually formed through the

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combustion process. The either topic signal
of fragments reflect the typed plant that's being

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burnt, so the carbon verding TABN
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So for example, if there's a
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the eucalyptus, it uses a particular
pathway before the synthesis compared to something like

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semisex graps, which uses a different
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and therefore you can these different plant
types factionate the carbon verding carbon twelve

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of the C or two taken means
differently and that is reflected of what in

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the pH hs that are emitted from
the combustion process. The other importance of

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these burn experiments we did is we're
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of the burn was very precisely monitored, so we were able to provide a

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sample of PAHs that we could say
were produced at this temperature, at these

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high temperatures, So that gave the
researchers at katch Like a known point to

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compare their samples against, to compare
with these ones from the asteroids and the

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metal meteorite formed at higher low temperatures, because they have these known hytis to

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compare against. Were you informed whether
or not that Ryego and Murchison had the

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same isotopic signatures The results in our
Ego and medicine, some of the PAHs

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were found to have been formed at
the low temperatures that they were theorriving,

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but others were found to be formed
at high temperatures. Yeah, most of

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the from the ash of the plant
is olympic different through the rag and the

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meicane, but there is quite a
distinct difference between them. Tell me about

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Curtain's organic and isotopic geochemistry center.
I'm actually a laureate feller who investigates organic

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in very ancient fossils in soft tissues. Organic from the original organisms that are

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like the different types of natural product
precursors which are preserved in soft tissue.

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These can be from modern right through
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So I'm looking at exceptionally well preserved
fossils in geological samples through that program,

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and we actually make fossils in the
laboratory using micropilmat and actually fossilized material as

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well, so we're really understanding the
processes of different motor fossilization and geological record.

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We also work on my extinction events, so the big five extinction events

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in geological history, including the largest
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We look at the organics in rocks
other time and track changes in the

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environment and changes in the ocean and
atmosphere by using isotops and organics in the

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rock, and we've worked on the
Chicks Loop impact crater from the Gulf of

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Mexico. We have the core material
here we've published looking at what happened within

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the day after the impact at Chick
Saloop and how quickly MicroB your life and

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life recovered after that event. Is
the iridium line from chick salute from the

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impact? Does it change much in
its chemical signature? Actually, it's not

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seen all around the world. We're
actually going to be working on samples from

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New Zealand shortly and be interesting to
see whether there's actually an a rhythium layer

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there because that's never really been investigated. So that's further away from the chicilic

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side. Asia. No. I
think large beause the deposits that would be

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spanning that interval our need to involve
ocean drilling projects and drilling deeply and places

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where likely it might be Large Hole
Rise or the Great Australian Bite where we

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would perhaps stand into that interval.
So it's more accessibility to getting samples is

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the biggest issue in Australia. Your
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Tell me about that. We've actually
developed the technique to be able to

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capture volatile organic compounds from conversion experiments
with control burms and determine the origin of

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those organic So, for example,
we can take atmospheric emissions and actually we've

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developed a technique where you can actually
collect those organics onto our resinens, then

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analytically exhort and measure the composition and
the isotopic composition, which is not an

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easy tax. And there you heard
Clyttie Gryce and Alex Holman from Curtain University's

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WA Organic and Isotope Geochemistry Center.
And this space time still to come.

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The asteroid that impacted near Berlin last
week identified as a rare all bright,

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and later in the science report,
paleontologists have uncovered the fossilized remains of a

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new species of pterosol on the isle
of sky. All that and more still

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to come. On space time,
scientists have identified fragments of an asteroid that

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crashed towards near Berlin last month.
The findings by researchers with the new zi

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Inferna Kundan showed the space rock to
have the mineralogy and chemical composition of an

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albright type of chondrite. The results
are based on an initial examination using an

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electron BM microprobe. The findings match
observations of the fireball's color made by astronomers

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who described it as it streaked through
the atmosphere. Astronomers knew it was coming

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because they detected the meta white asteroid
just three hours prior to its atmospheric entry,

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cataloging it as twenty twenty four BX
one. BX one was first spotted

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and then tracked by the Concol Observatory
in Hungary. That data was then fed

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to NASA's Scout and ESI's Mercat Asteroid
Guard Impact has the assessment systems, which

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then predicted its trajectory and confirmed that
it definitely was an Earth impact. Scientists

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and meteorite hunters then followed its progress
during its entry phase and calculated its likely

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impact location, adjusting for strong winds
faint Many people in Berlin and across central

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Europe were also able to witness the
fireball, and many of them filmed it.

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After breaking up in flight, small
fragments eventually made their way to the

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ground west of Berlin. Peter Jeniskins
from the Seti Institute says the meteorites were

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difficult to identify because from a distance
they looked like any other rock on Earth.

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Albrights look more like gray granite.
They consist primarily of magnesium silicates and

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statite and forster rite. Unlike other
meteorites, which usually have a thin crust

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of black glass from atmospheric heat,
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The name Albright comes from the village
of Aubreeze in France, where a

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similar meteorite fell to Earth back in
September eighteen thirty six. Only eight asteroids

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have ever been detected before their impact
with's atmosphere. The first of these discoveries

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took place in two thousand and eight, and four were discovered in just the

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last two years. This Space time
and Time that to take a brief look

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at some of the other stories making
news in science this week with a science

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report. A new study by the
Raw society Open Science says more needs to

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be done to stop animal cruelty during
transport. Dozens, maybe hundreds of animal

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deaths have been recorded on board a
live export ship carrying more than fifteen thousand

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animals, which is now making its
way back to Fremantle in Western Australia after

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being left adrift for over a month. The federal government took until last week

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to decide what to do with this
ship, which had been left stationary in

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heat wave of conditions because of attacks
by Yemen's Islamic hootie terrorists in the Red

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Sea. The problem is the Albinesy
Labor government has failed to keep its election

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promised to ban the inhumane practice of
live animal exports. Now are reporting the

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journal of the Raw society Open Science
shows that British and Canadian scientists studying livestock

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transportation regulations in five English speaking Western
jurisdictions, including Australia, Canada, New

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Zealand, the EU, and the
United States, have found that existing laws

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are simply too vague or insufficient to
prevent animal cruelty. The author's examined evidence

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relating to four major risk factors,
including journey duration and space allowances, finding

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regulations simply failed to adequately protect the
animals. They say increased inspections and training

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for transporters needs to be substantially improved
for the sake of animal welfare. Of

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course, the Albenzi government could stop
all this by simply keeping its election promise

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and banning the transport of live animals
altogether. A new study conducted at the

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Westmead Institute for Medical Research has solved
a complication that could occur following an experimental

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procedure to repair damaged heart muscles.
Right now, when a heart muscle is

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repaired using stem cells, there is
a risk of developing an abnormal heart beat.

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Now, a report of the journal
Nature is found a way to identify

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cells that are likely to have the
abnormal beat, and that a combination of

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therapy of existing drugs can control and
potentially stop the abnormality. Palaeontologists on the

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Isle of Sky have uncovered the fossilized
remains of a new species of pterosaur,

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the famous extinct cloud of flying reptiles
that lived during the Age of dinosaurs.

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A report in the General Vertebrate Paleontology
says incomplete but three dimensionally preserved fossilized remains

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have been uncovered, including parts of
the shoulder, wings, legs, and

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backbone. Names Apter Avenzi, the
fossils date back to around one hundred and

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sixty eight to one hundred and sixty
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quite a surprise as most of its
close relatives are from China. Cloud seeding

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is a type of weather modification that
aims to change the amount of type of

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precipitation that falls from clouds by dispersing
substances into the air that serve as cloud

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condensation makers or ice nuclei, which
then alter the microphysical processes within the cloud.

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Whether clouds is effective in producing a
statistically significant increase in precipitation is still

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a matter of academic debate, and
as Tim Mindum from Strands Skeptics points out,

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there are some serious concerns associated with
the chemicals being used to see the

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clouds. It's an interesting thing,
is though, obviously, or need to

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rain in certain places that they are
drought, written places, et cetera,

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Cross agriculture, all that sort of
stuff. They need rain, and that

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encourages systems to create the rain to
help the rain along, whether it's lightning

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rods, or whether it's sort of
rain dancers, or whether it's firing cannons

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into the air. The cloud feeding
idea has a little bit more scientific basis

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to it. The idea that you
go up into a plane and you drop

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little granules of various sort of chemical
combinations and they form as you do with

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creating a pearl an artificial pearl.
You put a grain of sand in something

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and the pearl builds around it.
Supposedly, these chemicals that are in the

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air, and they include sodium chloride
or calcium chloride or silver either depending on

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the cloud you're putting this into,
they will sort of draw droplets to the

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now create a drop around this.
Drain is chemical. You have to have

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a cloud, so you can't just
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I think for my understanding of it, and it is a sort of an

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interesting area, but it's sort of
as there's still a lot of mystery about

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it or uncertainty. You're basically pushing
a cloud into raining. I don't think

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you can make rain out of a
clear air or a cloud that's basically not

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going to go anywhere. And so
you know, there might be some basis

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to it the places your cloud seeding
might be going to rain anyway, perhaps

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not exactly there, or perhaps something
exactly with the amount of rain that you

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might get through cloud feeding. I
do know that CSIRO, the common Well

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Scientific Industrial Research Organization in Australia,
did do a lot of studies, so

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there's something they came up with.
Yes, yes, maybe, but but

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they did get a lot of information
a water divining, was it not a

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water divining, and that particularly one
they stopped. Yeah, but what they

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what someone does point out, and
this particular discussion of cloud setting that came

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out recently, was that some of
the chemicals that are used can be dangerous

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in their own right. They can
cause clue et cetera, especially when you're

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sort of trying to get your triggering
ice production. In super cool clouds use

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silver io dyed and silver eye dyed, and that was the most common seed

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element, wasn't usually Yeah, Yeah, and that that can be poisonous and

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it certainly can be polluting. So
you might be getting rain, but you

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might be doing a lot more damage
at the same time. The trouble with

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cloud seeding is that it does have
a downside, and a serious downside,

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so that you might be sort of
putting more things in the air that you

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don't want and then getting rain out. Would you do one simply getting the

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rain to fall over potentially over a
different area to where it was going to

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fall anyway. Yeah, there were
stories of conspiracies actually in the was the

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sixties or fifties with a supposedly cloud
seeded cloud in the Gulf of Mexico and

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would rain over the gulf rather than
on a central American country that the Americans

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didn't want to do. Well,
we didn't want that nation to do or

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to ruin their banana crops. Well, they probably couldn't find any poison cigars

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for Castro at the time, that's
right. Yeah. And this other story

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was that China was supposedly clearing pollution
out of the air by doing this cloud

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