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over to you now as he welcomes
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for Tim to join us here.
We we are we are. Would you

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mind Jeff just telling uh, maybe
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this is Matthew. As Jeff said, you can follow me on Twitter at

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as the Underscore Hoky Smash. Although
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on that account anymore. I spend
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and that's at All Sports dACC.
We have a terrific return guest tonight

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in Tim Thomas. You can follow
Tim on Twitter at at Tim Thomas TLP

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at that's at T I M T
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he is the owner and operator of
tech Lunchpail dot com and that is really

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one of the most widely sourced Virginia
tech blogs on the internet. He has

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just he has grown exponentially every year
that he's been at all sports. This

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guy, excuse me, at at
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been on this show many times.
I mean, Jeff, I think as

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I recall he came out, he
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was just flipping from the from the
fans sided Hoki's blog, and I see

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Tim is with us. Now,
Tim, can you hear his friend?

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Can you turn your volume up just
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so much, not so much.
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little more. Can you give us
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better. Give us a little more
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That's better than it was before.
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before. Welcome back, your friend. I just gave you a big,

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a big plug here. I mean, you are the owner and operator of

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tech lunch pail dot com. It
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Virginia tech blogs on the internet.
You have grown exponentially every year. You

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can follow it. We can,
I should say here, you can follow

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it's just amazing to see their growth
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at the site, an explosion of
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Tim Thomas on this show when he
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after he left the Hokies fan site
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and like I said, he's just
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great friend of Old Sports Discussion dot
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every time that he's been on this
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rights, his staple of writers I
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com. Tim, welcome back.
We're really happy to have you come on

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the show. Tell our readers about
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want to plug because I plugged your
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your site, but we'd love to
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Thank you again for coming on,
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back on. Guys. It's always
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always remember when we just launched the
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here. You guys have me on
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been with us and supporting us for
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appreciated. But yeah, I'm a
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tech full time engineer, working to
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time deal someday, we'll see.
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nearing a decade for about nine years. It's up in twenty twenty four hit

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nine years of the Tech Lunch Bail
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but even more great stuff for those
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a month or seventy dollars a year, from recruiting to insights analysis on football,

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basketball, great in depth stories,
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well with former players. Hopefully get
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done some Q and as with former
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sports and coaches all that. So
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a lot of growth. We've got
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friends of mine as well who wrote
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the ground. You know, with
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great. I tell you this,
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lot more flexibility to cover a lot
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our from our subscribers has been tremendous
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know, it's it's been a fascinating
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women's wrestling, baseball, softball,
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with you at the say at the
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about the four year We got some
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league guy for baseball and helped us
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the challenges of being a being a
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three time as much sometimes. But
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well. So we've been fortunate to
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Radford on Monday mornings. So plenty
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must have been fun calling uh calling
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basketball run last year at last year
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a blast and it was great to
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one of the coolest things I've gotten
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side for that Tech LSU game.
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for a national championship game until that
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experience being down there for the Final
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incredible team. And the thing is, I think Tech fans should know that

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the final four and twenty twenty four, the women's Final four is in Cleveland.

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I just think I just think Tech
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already, you should because this tech
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loaded, They're loaded. And you've
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few different places. And then sometimes
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definitely, you just want to make
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our readers to know everything about you
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let's get right to it. Man, which acc football team was the most

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disappointing team in week eight? And
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was the most impressive in week eight? Yeah, let's knock out the bad

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before we get to the get that
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the good, because there's plenty of
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is where the conversation has to start. Look credit the UVA, what a

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performance for them, Tony Elliott needed
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amongst the national people. Some podcasts
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could be in trouble this year.
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dead. After this game, all
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at least. I mean, that's
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been through as well. But North
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You can't lose this game. You're
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incredible position to where they're national They
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the College maybe not the national title, but then the College Football Playoff one

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they were there. That's gone.
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is out is eliminate from the playof
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is not going to be able to
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elsewhere, there's just gonna be too
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one North Carolina ACC champion with a
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an eleven to one, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, whatever,

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who doesn't Who's yeah, the kind
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even for example, let alone Pack
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twelve and one or thirteen and oh
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Carolina just a disaster. This defense. North Carolina's got a better defense this

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year. But an app State's okay, but they've had some disappointing They've had

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some wet down games against app State, against Uva. I mean, you

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can't give up over four hundred yards
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they were able to do a lot
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didn't get to see a lot of
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see that this was a game and
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the little at halftime after half time. Just extremely disappointing and for an AC

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that is definitely better this year.
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the conference. As much as dumb
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of stuff, it feels like that
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with the dumb time the sport is
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disappointment. And Georgia Tech I think
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I mean I can't. I just
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provide some counsel and buy some what
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I'm puzzled. You know, you
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I'll bet it was a freak way
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you beat wake Furs, you lose
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don't know if this game was at
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yeah or at home. Yeah.
I just this team puzzles me, the

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short Deteck team. I I just
don't think there's it's just such a weird

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roller coaster. The games you want
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the games they should win, they
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ones there. And Clemson I think
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has been a disappointing season for Dabo. You bring in Garrett Riley, they

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just have some issues. They have
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Club Nick and Club Nick. I
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think that's a guy they need to
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clumsy year. Just have team just
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a time when the accs actually getting
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think Dad was gonna have to think
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and also I think it may go
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out what's all off with this program, because it feels like there's some things

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off a little with Clemson right now. Now. I think some people will

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doubt that Dabbo will be willing to
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the offensive coordinator change to go get
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when he went and got Chad Morris
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Clemson as the head coach. So
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I think Florida State, I know
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little disappointing with that they were in
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team. I think we've seen that
under Elco. The they are just scrappy

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as all get out. They are
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they're gonna, they're not gonna let
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field unless you know you lose Riley
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and then when they saw their opening, they took advantage of it in a

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big time dominant way. And I
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Florida State team is firing on all
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opponents. I mean, twenty one
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two ot them in the first quarter. So I think Florida State deserves more

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credit. UV. I think we've
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know, this is Miami team.
The tides weren't going well. You know,

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Mario Crystalbaul embarrasses himself against Georgia Tech
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twenty first century in major college football
in his decision not to kneel, which,

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by the way, I don't know
how that somehow has hadn't been kneeling

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all season. That that's the dumbest
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that game that way, You lose
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point, you have two ACC losses. Odds are you're not playing from ACC

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championship this year they're very low.
So you you know, you have Clemson

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coming in, a Clemson team that's
starting to fire on all cylinders, and

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you get the job done at home, backs against the wall, needing the

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show. All right, are we
folding as a team? Is this team

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about the fold here? And kind
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if this team maybe is quitting after
the debacle against Georgia Tech. They definitely

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aren't. With a backup quarterback too, No, Tyler van Dyck. It

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took a little bit for Emery Williams
again in that game, but once he

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did. Cooleby Young's the heck of
a you know, very talented juco kid.

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I think a big target on the
outside. That's helping as well when

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you have a guy like that.
And the end of the day, they

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found a way, they found a
way. They're a better at football team

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in the trenches this year. That's
helping. I think Crystal Ball deserves a

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lot of credit that this team is
better than the trenches this year and they

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found a way to get done and
bounce back and now five and two,

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you could argue, you know,
they can get back in the top twenty

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five. Maybe eventually they could go
in and form maybe finish in the top

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twenty five this year. So I
think Crystal Ball deserves a lot of credit

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and Miami as a whole, I
think that's a good sign if you're a

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Miami fan of the culture, that
they could have an utterly embarrassing loss then

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just fall apart in the second half
against North Carolina and then come home against

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a Clemson program and knows what they're
doing bounce back. I mean, there's

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a good chance the seven to two
when they play at Florida State might be

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the biggest Miami Florida States game we've
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So I think Miami there's a team
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It's probably the Kings. Jeff.
You guys have to add friend. Yeah,

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I wanted to talk a little bit
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have the thoughts on on on Georgia
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the stench of the Jeff Collins era
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and I think the players, and
this is something Brent Key is just

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gonna have There's two things. I
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out way to work through. And
and one is it's just how to carry

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momentum with that team. It's one
of those things that you almost don't know

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what to do with your hands.
You know, when they when they win

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a game, they've they've really been
unable to build any momentum. They get

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too high after the wins and and
then they get too low during games when

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things start going sideways. So they
you know, they play wake Forest,

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played a very good game on the
road at wake Forest, come back in

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a disaster against Bowling Green. You
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you know, before the Miami game, and and even though there was

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the benefit of the of the crystal
ball debacle, they were they that they

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still played well enough to have an
opportunity with that, you know, then

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come up with a great drive when
you know, and for two weeks going

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into the bye game with with with
Boston College and the game was was in

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Atlanta. You know, I think
they definitely it wasn't a Bowling Green type

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situation. I think it was just
a matter of you know, they got

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defensive issues. Things start going sideways
and they don't know how to handle it.

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And that's that's a team that just
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I don't think Brent Key knows how
to get them there right now. He's

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going to have to develop that part
of his coaching ability on how to keep

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you know, when things go a
little bit sideways during a game that they

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don't turn into an avalanche. That's
that's the fourth time this season that a

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team has went on a seventeen point
or more unanswered streak. And you know

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that has to do with issues on
the defensive side of the ball. It

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has to do with an offense that
you know is better but can't sustain any

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drives. So you know, it's
I think it's it's it's more mental than

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personnel, especially on the offense.
With defense, there's definitely personnel issues,

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but there's just a lot of factors
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one, it's it's just mental.
They just simply, you know, don't

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know how to win, you know, and build momentum, you know,

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when when things start going tough.
You know, Miami game aside. I

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mean it's not like they can't win
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I think you're starting to see more
often than not that against quality teams.

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And I think Boston College is now
becoming a quality team. You know,

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Costianos is becoming a massive headache as
a quarterback. And and you know,

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I'm gonna be interested to hear your
thoughts, uh Tim on him,

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you know, later in the week
or later in here. You know,

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I think it's it's coming, you
know, down to it. You could

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be Virginia Tech, Boston College,
Syracuse kind of all fighting out, you

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know for the Bowl spots. But
you know, he's a quarterback that's really

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coming along. And I think also
with Clemson, I think you nailed it

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about saying something was off. There
is something really off with that team,

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like you said, with the lack
of skill, position, talent, and

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speed. You know, that's that's
definitely apparent. But there's a lot of

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going back and forth with the players
and the coaches, and then that's where

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it's really apparent that that something is
off. I mean, you've got will

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Shipley arguing with you know, his
coaches a couple of weeks ago. You

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got Cade Club Nick, you know, going completely off script in overtime in

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the second overtime and running a play
that wasn't called. I mean, he's

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not Tom Brady back there. You
know, I don't think he kind of

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I don't know if he has that
kind of leeway. I don't think he

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does. Because Dabo was Dabo Sweeney, you know, made it a point.

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You know, we're not he was
trying to do too much. That's

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not the play we called. That's
not a good look for a program trying

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to, you know, do a
reset. Here. You got players and

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coaches just not on the same page. And and so you know, it's

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it's running deeper there at Clemson than
just a player or two here, or

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or coach a coaching change here.
I mean, they got real they got

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real culture problems right now. I
think at Clemson, which is strange because

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that was what the program was known
for for, you know, for almost

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a decade. Is the culture of
Clemson, and and something's broken there right

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now. Yeah, Jef, I
think that's hit the nail on the head

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there. It's a weird situation.
It doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Uh, this is Clemson. Yeah, They're they've been one of the standard

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bearers of great culture and a culture
that can add a few points a game

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in a way and therefore get wins. And you know, I think they've

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they've slipped a little and maybe that's
open some vulnerability up and there's some adversity

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that they're they're fighting through from the
highest of high standards they had that you

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know, they're not overcoming a clems
at the Clemson level we became used to.

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I think it also helps you know
that in the past Clemson for a

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little bit there may be able to
get away at times with some things.

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The AEC has gotten better and I
think we're I think that's catching up the

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coaching in the AC. You look
at Elko, you look at brom coming

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at Jeff Brahm coming in at Louisville
for example, Crystal Ball getting in at

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Miami, even if his game management
may be the worst among Power five head

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coaches. If you look at these
guys that have come in Norvelle at Florida

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State, the quality and the caliber
of coaching and program in the ACC is

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getting better. After some of the
nadiers that this conference hit and the clems

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have not been as good. They
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I think it's also meant that they've
exposing. It might be by the way,

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if this means, if Dabo can
figure this out, this might be

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the biggest gift for Clemson in some
ways, because now everything is gonna come

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to the surface. There's no hiding
things anymore. There's no well, we're

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skirt We're gonna skirt by an eleven. You know, we're the best team

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still and there's not much competition.
So we're gonna skirt through at ten and

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two, win the ACC title game
and play in the Orange Bowl. An

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eight and four years forced you to
look at things and you know that may

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be where they're headed. And I
think that for the rest of the ACC

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that could that could be a scary
thing because this could be clumbson two point

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zero could come out of this.
It wouldn't shock me as much as people

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like to say that Dappo is in
a guy for change. Some of his

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some of the things that made him
great were the changes that he made after

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the initial staff he hired and the
coordinator changes he made. So and that's

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thing also Garrett Riley as well,
like the club and the thing that's bad.

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That's but let's give Garrett Riley some
time here. Let's give him a

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second year. I think there're gonna
be people saying, well, Clumb's got

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they got the wrong guy. Look
at Ohio State and Jim Knowles. That

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Ohio State defense was okay last year
after they went out and got Knowles after

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he had a great stint in Oklahoma
State. But there are people like,

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okay, is it really improved under
Knowles? Look at this defense in year

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two under Knowles and how he's built
it up over time. Let's give Garrett

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Riley a little time as well.
If you're a Clemson fan, I think

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you got to give him a little
time. And I'm intrigued. I said

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on Boston College as well, Jeff, like you mentioned Cassianos, I mean,

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it's a dual threat guy. He's
you know, there's a creativity.

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And now the question I think we're
gonna find out here in the coming weeks

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is did Boston College just run into
a really soft part of their schedule home

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against UVA. At an Army team
that's trying is overhauling their offense and is

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having some you know, it's having
the growing pains with that with Monkins kind

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of overhaul that they're doing. And
at Georgia Tech team that Jeff has you

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mentioned. Yeah, still is a
Jeff Collins era program largely that's still trying

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to correct and fix some things and
try to, you know, turn things

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around. I mean you could look
at for chinga Tech some last year for

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example underprint pri and some just bizarre
bad performances and then the occasional like when

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they almost upset NC State on that
Thursday night in Raleigh, which kind of

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came out nowhere. You know.
Sometimes you see that in the first year

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with the new coach trying the base, having the basically overhaul something that wasn't

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really working as well. So but
with that in mind, with Boss College,

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yeah, we're gonna find out about
a lot about them. You know,

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Yukon probably not. But if they
lose Yukon, then we take a

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step and hold on here. But
halfway might be saving a shop to his

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credit. If they get to a
bowl game, I think he probably could

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save his job and that would be
huge for him. And there's a path

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too, like say you beat Yukon, then you just got to beat one

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of at Syracuse home against Virginia Tech
at pitt and home against Miami, which

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I think they can find a win
in there. They also could go owe

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four in next stretch too. Even
with the way Casiana's played, they've definitely

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made strides. But how much is
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Great points that great points there,
Tim, All right, let's just

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slide into the next question here.
What what ACC football game are you looking

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forward to the most in week eight? And there's a pretty big one for

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you all on Thursday night. Yeah, I mean that Tech Syracuse game.

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That's a big one for Tech these
next two weeks. And we'll get into

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Tech a little more here a little
bit, but these next two weeks are

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it's a weird spot for Virginia Tech
because if they can beat Syracuse upset Louisville,

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there's a weird conversation that I can't
believe that we would be having about

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Virginia Tech at that point. And
there's some research about some ACC tie breakers

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that I would have to start doing
that would utterly stun me in many ways,

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especially after where Tech was and you
know, seeing them lose at Marshall

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and be at one and three and
where things looked at at that point for

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this season. Obviously, if they
can win that game against Syracuse, which

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I think is more of a toss
up than the three point favor that Tech

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is. You know, you're talking
about a TECH team that can get to

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a ball. This is a big
game you have at BC and at UVA,

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two games that Tech is gonna be
favored and should win. But the

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way they're playing thought at BC looks
trickier by the day. But then again,

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let's see how they play in a
couple more games here. They're you

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know, an interesting team to monitor. But step outside of that, I

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mean, you gotta circle Duke at
Louisville. I mean, who would have

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thought Duke at Louisville is a bigger
football game than basketball game at this point

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in the ACC. I it's it's
weird times, but I mean Jeff Brahm

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has done a tremendous job in year
one. I think, you know,

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I mean it was I mean,
it wasn't like you got a bad program

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from sadderfield, but goes and gets
Jake Plumber, goes and gets Jamari Thrash,

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who's been phenomenal coming from Georgia State. Jehar Jordan's a playmaker, and

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then put him against this Duke defense. You know, there's some turnover issues

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that Plumber can have sometimes. I
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I think this Duke secondary could be
very even if they don't have Riley

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Leonard in this game. I think
Duke is a threat. I think they

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are absolutely a threat in this game. I really think they could win it

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without Leonard. And if they do, watch out because I think Duke could

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pull the upset on paper upset based
on the Vegas line in this game.

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That's gonna be fast thing. And
if and Duke can Duke run the football,

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you know, even if they don't
have Leonard, can they you know,

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feed Jacques more really make make you
know, and give Henry Bolin some

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of the easy throws. I think
that's the thing. You know, he

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strugglings enz State. Can you get
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Can he get him some screens,
some you know underneath crossing patterns,

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things like that. I mean,
it's gonna be a riled up environment in

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Louisville. It's gonna be a riled
up environment. I mean, Louisville knows

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that everything is still there for the
play for they had the studying upset loss

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the pit after the big win over
Notre Dame, but Louisville can absolutely play

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00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,240
for an ACC championship still this year
they're right there. The schedule sets up

407
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:41,640
well. Home against Duke, home
against Tech, Virginia Tech, home against

408
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,039
UVA, at Miami. It sets
up well, and then it goes of

409
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,240
course home against Kentucky. I mean, they got four of their final five

410
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:53,839
games here at home. Somehow only
have I mean, I don't know how

411
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,920
they technically. I guess the Georgia
Tech game was technically Atlantic in Mercedes Benzos

412
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:04,240
neutral site where technically in some ways, but you know, only a few

413
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:10,119
true road games on the schedule for
them this year. It sets up well.

414
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:12,400
But this is the big This is
the biggest hurdle coming up. I

415
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,920
think for them at Miami is gonna
be tricky. Virginia Tech coming if they

416
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,400
get a big win over Duke.
Could a Virginia Tech team that has a

417
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:25,200
couple extra days of prep maybe have
something. I don't know, but this

418
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,799
is a big one against Duke in
Louisville, and it's it feels like an

419
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,279
elimination game in some ways. Now
I think it is possible a six and

420
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:33,559
two team could be the other team
that plays Florida State in the Acecy title,

421
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,240
and yes, I think we can
just go ahead and pencil in Florida

422
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:42,799
State in the Charlotte for the AC
Championship. Yes, Louisville or Duke if

423
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:47,839
they fall, But then again,
at that point they're going to have a

424
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,640
loss to Louisville or Duke, They're
gonna have a tie breaker issue there.

425
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:56,519
So I think this feels like an
elimination game for the race to get to

426
00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:00,880
get the Charlotte. And it should
be a great football Okay, even if

427
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,759
Roley Leonard isn't playing it. I
think it's gonna be a great football game,

428
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:15,319
all right, Tim huh. Let's
let which which ACC team could be

429
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:21,279
on upset alert in Week nine if
they are looking ahead to a game on

430
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:26,960
their schedule or otherwise just sleep walking
on the field. And one that that's

431
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,119
already caught my eye was Clemson opening
up as a near ten point I think

432
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:37,039
it's nine, but almost a double
digit favorite going into Raleigh. Yeah,

433
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,759
that that stuns me. I saw
that line. I may put some I

434
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:48,079
may put a small bed over a
fan or something on that one. Yeah,

435
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,160
I know NC States a mess right
now, There's no doubt NC States

436
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,759
a mess. But they've had a
bye week. Maybe they try to get

437
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:56,599
some things figured out and an Isa. That's the thing. Dave Georgan's a

438
00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:00,319
good coach. This defense is still
good, Robert and I are still a

439
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:06,079
pretty good offensive corny and we've seen
MJ. Morris show a lot of potential

440
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:12,160
skill positions are lacking on this team
big time. Can they figure it out?

441
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,359
Can they make this a low scoring, just dogfight? And how does

442
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:21,200
Clemson respond after last week? They're
four and three now, I mean even

443
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,559
the thin ACC champi ACC title game
chances they had are gone. Now it's

444
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:30,559
all gone. What is the motivation
of this team? And you know,

445
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:35,759
yes, NC State's also down this
year, but you know Raley is going

446
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:38,759
to be rocking for the text Dobell. You know that place is going to

447
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:43,960
be rocking. So yeah, I
agree with you. I don't know how

448
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,400
this is a I think this is
a one score game. The CW is

449
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,960
gonna get another entertaining game. By
the way, who would have thought that

450
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,759
this game would end up on the
CW before the season. I don't think

451
00:32:53,799 --> 00:33:00,000
anyone saw that coming. But I
think, yeah, NC State could definite

452
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,160
they take down Clemson in this game. That's that's an interesting one. Do

453
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,279
we have to mention Georgia Tech,
maybe a host in North Carolina. I

454
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,200
mean, with the pattern of their
season, I think North Carolina probably you

455
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,319
can get cruised. But I guess
you kinda with the way they've been this

456
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,680
year, maybe you have to in
some ways. And I will say this

457
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,799
is gonna seem like the crazy one, but I'm still not sold yet.

458
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:29,319
Like I said, the stretchup games
they've ran through for Boston College, Yukon

459
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:31,720
is desperate for something to go right. They might be really bad. They

460
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:37,480
might just straight up be really bad. They've started the show signs of maybe

461
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:39,519
a little bit of life in the
past few weeks. I mean, they

462
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:45,920
almost upset Utah State team that's not
bad, beat Rice beat Rice at Rice

463
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:50,279
close against the USF team that isn't
great. But you know, it's a

464
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,839
local game, regional game. They
have some talent. I mean, I

465
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,559
think they You know, if you're
Yukon, you're looking for a win in

466
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:00,880
the coming few games. You're not
gonna get at Tennessee or at after this

467
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,839
game, So maybe there's a little
more motivation just to show something. I

468
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,559
would not pick Yukon to be clear
at all, and BC could easily cover

469
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:15,159
this game that twelve point spread.
But I think if you want a big

470
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:20,000
shock, there's a spot for a
big shock that kind of throws everything,

471
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:22,480
that kind of leaves all of us
scratching our heads on how that happened.

472
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,360
Maybe just circle that game. Of
course, this could age very poorly,

473
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,320
and I could look crazy for saying
that, but I think I do agree

474
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,920
Clemson. If there's a big spot, I think that NC State Clemson game

475
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,960
is the big spot there in terms
of NC State could just straight up win

476
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:45,239
that game in front of riled up
crowd. Let's see how they respond after

477
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:50,079
the offensive mess they were a duke
and when Peyton Wilson after the game said

478
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:57,920
this team needs to get with the
program, which is a massively concerning statement

479
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:05,400
to hear from a veteran leader on
that team. But let's see what happens,

480
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:10,000
all right to their good stuff.
Let's step out of the ACC for

481
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:15,719
a bid here. Which national FBS
game are you looking forward to them in

482
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,840
week nine? And we're wide open
with this question. This can be a

483
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,199
Power five, non Power five,
or you can even have an FCS matchup

484
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,199
and then give us your winner of
the game or games if there's other ones

485
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,920
on your on your mind, yeah, you know, I'll pick one of

486
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,360
these, I will say, but
one I have to mention that in the

487
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,599
midweek and probably the biggest midweek game
in the country Liberty Western Kentucky on Tuesday

488
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:43,880
night on ESPNU. This is gonna
these are these feel like the two programs

489
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,320
along with Jacksonville State right now that
are the faces of this whatever you want

490
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,280
to call this new Look Conference USA, which is basically a whole bunch of

491
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,400
a whole lot of new schools in
it. High powered Alston, Reid,

492
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,400
Alphinds, Liberty seven and zero.
But are they that good? I don't

493
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,000
think they're as good as they were
last year, but that might not matter.

494
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,039
Game and Bowling Green, that's that's
an underrated game on on the radar

495
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:09,599
this week in the national picture that
has big stakes in that conference race.

496
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:15,400
I think that's for some Tuesday night
football. That's that's some big Tuesday night

497
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,440
football there. I think you got
to talk about Oregon Utah elimination game in

498
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,039
the Pac twelve. Utah team that
owns USC just came off a big win.

499
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:28,440
That offense is showing signs of life. They're figuring things out. That's

500
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,519
a well coached program, from Winningham
to the Codinators, Andy Ludwig, Morgan

501
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:36,400
Scaley, It's a well coached program. It's a program with a lot of

502
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,039
character, culture, all of that
against an Oregon team that is quite good.

503
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,719
This is a really good Oregon football
team that seems to be on another

504
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,239
level. But this game is in
Salt Lake City, and that is not

505
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,079
a place side I want to go. If I'm a organ I'm not looking

506
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,840
forward to it. I would much
rather obviously, of course, you'd always

507
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,519
much rather be at home. But
that's probably near the bottom of the list

508
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:00,599
of places I would want to have
to play a road game in the Pack

509
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:06,039
Towell Bat and it's final year.
I tell you, what a way to

510
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:07,599
go out for that conference, by
the way, best conference in the country

511
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:14,559
probably this year. What a way
for that league to go out. Uh.

512
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,760
That feels like a toss up of
a game. I know Oregon is

513
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,400
a six point favorite. I think
I have to lean the Ducks just because

514
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,679
I think Utah's offense is making improvements, but I think actually playing a good

515
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:29,280
defense or a real defense. Bryce
and Barnes, I like what he can

516
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,880
do, but I think Oregon can
get it done. They figured you know,

517
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:36,119
they kind of slept walked a little
earlier against Washington State, figured it

518
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:40,719
out. So I really am intrigued
by that game. I think game they

519
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,239
made the right choice going there.
That's a huge game. Another kind of

520
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,519
sleepery. I'm not going to make
a pick, but Miami, Ohio and

521
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:52,599
against Ohio in the MAC Miami coming
off of loss to Toledo last week,

522
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,039
this feels like an important game to
term maybe the other team that will face

523
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,639
Toledo maybe in the MAC Championships.
So it's kind of a lighter slate in

524
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,920
terms at the highest levels of a
sport. But in some of those,

525
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:07,280
you know, even the lower group
of five leagues, there's some interesting games.

526
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,519
I'll tell you this. Oregon State
at Arizona. Oregan State's only a

527
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:15,639
three and a half point faired Arizona
has been just fascinating. I think Jed

528
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:22,199
Fish is they're getting that program right
there. Out in Tucson four and three

529
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,559
but barely lost. Assissippi State maybe
should have won that game, barely gave

530
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:34,079
Washington and USC all that they could
whooped Washington State. Arizona's showing some life.

531
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,320
That's going to be a fascinating game. And for Oregon State, obviously

532
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,000
they're still right in that hunt in
the back twelve. They're a really good

533
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,079
football team. That's going to be
a test though on the road at Tucson

534
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,159
that came. You know, that'll
be a fired up stadium. That's going

535
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:52,800
to be an underrated, underrated game. So there's a lot of interesting games.

536
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,519
I know, the national tension beyond
Oregon Utah. You know it's going

537
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,039
to go to like Ohio State Wisconsin, which it's that game is not gonna

538
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:06,239
be pretty, not gonna be close. No Colorado Ucla just because of Dion

539
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,320
because you know, ratings, I
guess or something look good for them.

540
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,320
Deon's done a great job there.
Ucla is gonna kind of take care of

541
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,400
business in that game. And it's
dumb that that's the ABC primetime game though

542
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,280
honestly it's it's not a great week. It's not a great week in terms

543
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,960
of big, big matchup that will
say Oklahoma at Kansas. I don't know

544
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:29,079
a lot of the status of Jalen
Daniels over there Kansas. I know he's

545
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:30,960
missed some games. I don't know
if they think he can play, if

546
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,119
he can in that game circle that
game as a potential upset alert. I

547
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:39,360
know Oklahoma got a wake up call
last week against John Ree's plumb leg getting

548
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,079
healthy for UCF, which really helped
that team. But that'll be a juiced

549
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:50,599
up environment in Lawrence next week or
this week. If Kansas and even with

550
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,360
Bean Jason Bean at quarterback, I
think they could give Oklahoma some issues.

551
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,960
I think Oklahoma's good. I think
Venavoles is still building that thing up.

552
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,440
I don't think I think they found
they on the way to win against Texas.

553
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,320
I don't think they're better in Texas, and I think they could be

554
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,079
vulnerable to a Cancas this week.
That that Neuter on Fox is going to

555
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:12,079
be a fascinating game. I think
there could be an upset there in Lawrence.

556
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,119
I think i'd pick Oklahoma, but
there could be an upset there.

557
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:22,119
All right, Matthew, I think
you've got something you want to add here.

558
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:24,360
Yeah, Tim, just real quickly, what about Odie? You at

559
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,320
JM You? I mean there's gonna
be some old fashioned hate in that game,

560
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:35,679
right, Yeah, it's an underrated
fun game. I think JAMU should

561
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,199
comfortably take care of business in that
game. But you know what, it's

562
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,360
you know, JMU is firing on
all cylinders. I think it's tremendous.

563
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,880
It's a shame. The NCAA has
got to find a way to say,

564
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,639
if you heat me, if you
hit these metrics, okay, on your

565
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:53,320
way, you can play in a
bowl game. Because jmu's won the highest

566
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,679
funded group of five teams in the
country. Anyway, I mean, it's

567
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:04,639
absurd the thought that you know,
in some not ready state. Same thing

568
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,440
with Jacksonville State, that program seems
clearly ready and not just a one year

569
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,239
thing that we'll see. But it
feels like there should be a little more

570
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,880
flexibility and maybe a waiver should have
been given. An Oh to you.

571
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,960
You know, Ricky, Ronnie deserved
credit, you know, winning, got

572
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,039
himself a new offensive coordinator from Fordham, knew some things needed to be fixed

573
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:30,079
up, and they're playing better.
Gave wake Force a big scare us some

574
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:34,400
turnovers again. That just beat app
State at home last week. That is

575
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,360
a that is a huge win for
Ronnie and oh to you, huge win.

576
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,440
I tell you this, It's gonna
get tough here. It's gonna get

577
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,039
tough at JMU, Coastal, at
Liberty, at Georgia Southern and home against

578
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:52,199
Georgia State. It's it's gonna get
tough. They may not get the six

579
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,679
wins. They may close out with
only one more win. They could get

580
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,360
the six though, that would be
huge. If they can get to a

581
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,800
bowl game, that would be huge
for if they can get there. Coastal

582
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,119
feels like one. They have to
win at home. We can see them

583
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:09,159
on the schedule, probably by far
remaining, but it'll be it'll be an

584
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:12,400
interesting game. You know, Odie, you might be able to make it

585
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,000
interesting for a little bit, but
I think Jamie is just a machine,

586
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,760
and I think that crowd will be
a little fired up in Harrisonburg for a

587
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,960
little in state action. The fact
that it's at espa U is actually pretty

588
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,880
cool for the Commonwealth of Virginia,
I think too. Yeah, I think

589
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,840
that's great, and I think I
think that's great for the Sunbelt. I

590
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:30,880
think that's great for the Commonwealth Virginia. And by the way, the Sun

591
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:37,360
Belt phenomenal league. I think the
Sunbelt, the way they've positioned themselves to

592
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,119
become maybe the best group of five
conference out there to the Mountain West,

593
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:44,519
probably ending up with Washington State and
Oregon State. You know, but the

594
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:49,400
Sun Belt went from in the previous
realignment, you know, to being when

595
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,960
they were like the worst looking left
for dead at times to what they've become

596
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:59,599
by creating a conference with a lot
of just passionate fan base, a lot

597
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,400
of a lot of fan bases and
programs that want to win in football,

598
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:07,559
you know that may not be in
big media markets, but have great brands,

599
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:13,519
have good brand just good brands because
they they win, they win football

600
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:16,320
games. And some good regionality.
I think I think it's a little overhyped

601
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,239
in some ways of Sun Belt regionality, but there's a lot of good regionality

602
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,480
within the divisions too. I think
it's a league that makes sense divisionally too.

603
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,199
Like I said with Marshall, jm
U ODU Coastal Georgia, States and

604
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,000
Georgia, so the app state,
a lot of these schools that also got

605
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:37,800
old FCS rivalries, and so it's
like Troy and South Alabama and Louisiana and

606
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:44,960
it's it's proven to be a great, great conference, a really fun conference.

607
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,559
And this should be a fun game. This could easily be a height

608
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:52,559
of much let's call it a much
more offensive game compared to the JMU Marshall

609
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:55,920
game last week. Where jam U's
punter. By the way, he deserves

610
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,679
a ton of credit. Maybe he
should be the national player of the week.

611
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,960
Seven punts and you get him down
all inside the ten. That's one

612
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,519
of the great single game punting performances
maybe of all time. That's tremendous by

613
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:13,480
that guy last week at Marshall.
But that should be a fun one and

614
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:16,440
good on ESPN U. Yeah,
good for that game being on television.

615
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:21,440
Honestly, that might be the game
worth watching in the night in the evening

616
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,159
window. That might be that or
ten. You know, maybe get get

617
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:29,599
the ESPN you know, the multiview
that I get with YouTube TV. Should

618
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:34,679
hopefully have that in Tennessee, Kentucky
and a couple other games too. Amen,

619
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,840
brother, Amen, brother Jeff,
go ahead, you're up all right?

620
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:46,679
Tim Uh what is your evaluation thus
far of both Commonwealth teams of Virginia

621
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:52,320
in the A C C Virginia and
Virginia Tech. Yeah, I'll start with

622
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,800
Virginia before we get into the Hokies. I'll touch on them real quick here.

623
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,159
This was big. I think this
was huge for them to beat North

624
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:04,199
Carolina. They're showing some this is
this is a first sign of life.

625
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,559
Now this is this a fluke,
you know fluke they figured out for one

626
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:12,599
week and then we'll see. I
have my doubts. I think this is

627
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,760
still probably the worst team in the
conference. But they found a way to

628
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,800
get a win and then pull off
a top ten upset. We'll see.

629
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,400
It'll be very to see how they
play at Miami and then Georgia Tech is

630
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,320
will be a very interesting game,
probably the more interesting game to see.

631
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:30,079
All right, where is this team
at under Elliott? Because there hasn't been

632
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,079
a lot you know, they've always
obviously that program has been through a lot

633
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:38,760
in the past year, but even
before, but before that and post there

634
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,880
has been a lot of good around
this program under Elliott, They've they've had

635
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,679
a lot of struggles. I don't
think they've gotten recruiting traction either, as

636
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:52,320
Price has really done a lot better
of that in in State. They're just

637
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,800
not a lot of buzz around that
program at all. In any facet,

638
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,679
this was a huge win. Let's
see, I'm I'm a little more in

639
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,400
hold, but I still have a
lot of doubts for Tech. Look,

640
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,800
this is what you wanted to see
on the field the past few weeks.

641
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:10,599
They've gotten better. This is a
team that's gotten better from the one and

642
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:16,119
three start. It feels like this
offense has an identity of being physical,

643
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:21,719
running the football, of finding ways
getting your playmakers in space, getting jen

644
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,599
using screens for guys like Jalen Lane, getting swing patches, the BA shoal

645
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:29,239
two to another guy's like that.
It feels like an offense that has an

646
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,880
identity. They still have issues.
That offensive line is bad. Maybe they've

647
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,400
gotten a tad better, but they're
gonna have the portal on the offensive line

648
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,119
big time we get a few guys
in there. They have some big issues

649
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:42,559
still there. Having a dual threat
guy like Kyron Jones, who's getting more

650
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:46,360
comfortable, who has an offense that
fits him, who's playing well. I

651
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,239
think one of the biggest things I
took away from watching that Wake Force game.

652
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,880
He did a lot of things well
within the structure of the offense,

653
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,639
and when he needed to get out
make some plays and scramble, he was

654
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,880
effective. He may some really nice
plays, and I think we're we can

655
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,039
say this is not a fluke with
way the way they beat Pitt, the

656
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:10,079
way they beat Wake Force, the
resilience in fight they showed against Florida State,

657
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:13,760
a team that's way more talented them. I mean, that was a

658
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,920
game for you know, after twenty
two o start. They fought their way

659
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,039
back, need a little special teams
to get in it, but they called

660
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:22,039
their way back. They found ways
to get back in that game. The

661
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:27,599
run defense, which was a huge
issue, specifically with just giving up the

662
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:31,239
home run play, has been cleaned
up. I think we can say it's

663
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,760
better now than it was at the
start of season with the way they played

664
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,599
against Pitt and Wake Force and and
you know, Florida State wasn't didn't look

665
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:43,440
great in between those two games.
But Florida State having those issues against Florida

666
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,599
State is different from having those issues
against against Rutgers or Marshall. I'll bet

667
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:52,320
that Marsha running back Rashin Ali is
probably one of the ten best running backs

668
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,320
in America period. That kid is
incredible and if he transferred up, he

669
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,400
would probably have be transferred. He'd
probably in all have an offer from every

670
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:06,159
program in America, including even probably
Clemson, you know, even past Dabo

671
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:12,119
Clemson, just because of how talented
that kid is at Marshall. But this

672
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,719
was a big one against Syracuse.
If this team's get to a Bowl.

673
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,880
I think there's been a lot of
talk of, well, if this team

674
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,639
doesn't get to a bowl, now
it's disappointing. I don't think it is.

675
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:22,480
This team goes five and seven,
which is what I predicted before the

676
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:25,480
season. That's a great I think
if you're a Tech fan, you should

677
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,119
feel good about what you've seen on
the field in the progress. They may

678
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,920
doesn't mean there may be shouldn't still
be some changes in some areas, but

679
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:36,159
I think you can feel good.
I think we you know, I think

680
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:37,679
the past few weeks it kind of
quelled. All right, should there be

681
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,119
changers or not. Let's see the
full twelve games. You know, we

682
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:45,840
don't need to make you. We
don't need the force a change when this

683
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:51,639
is a rebuild and we're still building
data with a better roster. Now this

684
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,719
is a roster that's much better.
So this is a big game. This

685
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,320
game in NC State, it feels
like are too big. You need to

686
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,679
get one because you know, if
you're Tech, you're superior to Boston College

687
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,199
and the UVA Those are still a
bit. Boston College does confound me a

688
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:13,440
little, but those are still those
feel like still bottom tier teams along with

689
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,599
maybe Georgia Tech or maybe Pitt this
year. In all honesty, but if

690
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:21,039
you're Tech, if you can get
one of those two and you take care

691
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,639
of business against BC and UVA,
that's a ball game that'd be tremendous underprint

692
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:29,559
pride. And you have this weird
situation where you beat Syracuse on Thursday night

693
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:32,400
and which should be a Raucus Lane
Stadium Thursday night game, and then you

694
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:37,559
find a way to upset Louisville,
which, to be clear, I'm not

695
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,280
betting on that at all. I
might pick Tech the lose both of those

696
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,760
games, to be honest, you
know, but to get back to that

697
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,639
before you know, before we get
back to that they can win those two

698
00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:52,639
games, we gotta have a serious
conversation about Virginia Tech playing in Charlotte this

699
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:59,480
year. Because they win those two
at BC at UVA with a home game

700
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:02,719
against Ends, he stay in the
middle is very winnable. Even now,

701
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:08,079
this is a team that is still
rebuilding and is prone to a dumb slip

702
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:12,960
up, a bad slip up somewhere
they shouldn't have. I want to be

703
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,519
shocking, but let's see if they
get through these next two. Syracuse is

704
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:22,440
going to test them Garrett Trader.
You know, like I said, text

705
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,960
run defense and improved. But Garrett
Trader is going to test him with his

706
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:29,719
legs. There is no doubt about
it. He is going to provide a

707
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,639
stiff test with what he can do
running the football. So if your Tech,

708
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,199
you gotta find a way to contain
s Trader and that rushing attack.

709
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,480
If you do, you probably win
this football game. If you don't,

710
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,679
Syracuse probably wins this game. It
seems a little reductive to say it's going

711
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,079
to come down to TeX's run defense
versus Syracuse rushing attack, but it really

712
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,360
is. I was about to ask
you that, Tim, That was my

713
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:57,920
follow up question. I mean,
do you think that Virginia Tech can stop

714
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,639
that rushing attack? Because I have
serious I have serious questions about about about

715
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:06,880
Yeah, and I've been the guy. It's funny, I haven't one of

716
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,599
the guys saying this run defense isn't
as bad before their clear improvements saying this

717
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:15,159
run defense isn't as bad as you
think, because it hasn't. But I

718
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:20,079
do have some concerns coming into this
matchup because, yeah, Trader can do

719
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:23,360
a whole lot with his legs,
but if you can contain him. You

720
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,320
can slow him down, you can
if you can make him beat you with

721
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:34,559
his arm, you have the the
secondary to cover these guys effectively. And

722
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:39,159
Trader's not a great passing quarterback.
He's not. Obviously. We've seen some

723
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:46,199
things at times from Schrader, infamously
back in twenty twenty one inside Lane Stadium.

724
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:52,480
But if you can contain this rushing
attack of Strader and Lequin Allen,

725
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,400
if you can contain him, if
you're tech, you're probably gonna give up

726
00:51:54,440 --> 00:52:00,000
some chunk plays. You can prevent
the home run play, limit the day

727
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:04,800
damage. You win this football game. I think they can absolutely win this

728
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,239
football game against the Syracuse team that
this is going to be an important barometer

729
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:14,960
game for them. They had that
great start four to oh, but they

730
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,400
beat Colegate, a Western Michiganian team
that's in a massive rebuild. They won

731
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,199
at Purdue, which has been up
and down in their first year on a

732
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,880
new coach, but credit to them, that was a pretty decent win.

733
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,920
They beat an Army team that at
home that is still fixing their offense,

734
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:36,400
and then they got routed at home
against Clemson, at North Carolina at Florida

735
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,880
State. This is a team they
They've had moments where they've been in some

736
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:45,119
adversity within games and some margins maybe
closer than or some final scores that are

737
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:47,599
wider than maybe the margins were,
but they haven't been in a lot of

738
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:52,920
adversity. I mean, there's no
one score games either way, and this

739
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:58,199
feels like a one score game.
And so a team that hasn't experienced adversity

740
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,840
playing on the road in a hostile
and a Thursday night that could get a

741
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:07,599
little diceier that that's gonna be an
interesting to monitor this game. And I

742
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:09,880
think Texas offense obviously has got to
try to there are things they got to

743
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,400
try to do obviously as well.
They gotta look at what Florida State and

744
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,239
others did. And I think Kyron
drones. You look at, like I

745
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,400
said, Jordan Travis, why dead
you know, drones and the dual threat

746
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,599
abilities helping this matchup, and it's
gonna obviously it's gonna go beyond just can

747
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:30,119
Syracuse run the football against Tech or
not. But I think whoever wins that

748
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:35,119
battle, there's a very good chance
that team wins the game. And you

749
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:39,719
know, for Tech, there's everything's
to play for. That's the that's the

750
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,360
weird thing. Everything's to play for
you have momentum. Can you build off

751
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,639
the buy off a week off it's
a little shorten of a of a gap

752
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:51,400
between games because a Thursday night.
Can you build off that? And for

753
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,079
Syracuse, can you reset as well? After the struggles they've had? Can

754
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:59,480
they hit the reset button? Turn
this thing on? Because Syracuse could really

755
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:01,960
finish this season strong if they refined
their form. I mean, you think

756
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:08,280
about it, averaging attack Boston College
pit at Georgia Tech Wake Forest Favers can

757
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,880
go eight and four if they figure
this thing out, they can go eight

758
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,519
and four, seven and five or
eight and four over those five games.

759
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,599
If they don't, you know,
and they and they and they have a

760
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:22,719
losing record, they're gonna be some
uncomfortable conversation I think up in Syracuse this

761
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:30,039
year because that's gettable. That's very
gettable if you're Syracuse. So this is

762
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:36,199
a fascinating game. Another barometer seed
the progress of Brent Priye and the rebuild

763
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,119
and a barometer receive. Can Syracuse
turn things around and get their season back

764
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:44,360
on track after the great after the
great start against a week schedule, but

765
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,320
a great start they still had.
Can they get it back on track,

766
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,599
you know, as the team that's
at the bottom of the ACC for Syracuse,

767
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,039
they're not gonna put out of the
ACC title hun there's no way for

768
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:00,480
them to get to Charlotte. But
can they get to a ball game Sanling

769
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:04,280
for Tech and they get to a
bowl game, And like I said,

770
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,280
if they win this week, we
have a fascinating conversation going into Louisville next

771
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:12,440
week of all of a sudden,
especially if Louisville vats Duke, we have

772
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:17,159
another ACC championship elimination game. And
if Tech Wendsley's next like I said,

773
00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:22,599
if Technic Wendesday's next two, we're
talking about some crazy conversations because Tech and

774
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:27,719
North Carolina don't play each other this
year, and if both went out after

775
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,159
that somehow, and I'm talking crazy
and I think I'm gonna lose my mind.

776
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,480
So Matthew, Jeff, one of
you please cut me off before I

777
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:42,159
completely go crazy. Went out the
common opponent's thing becomes the tiebreaker, and

778
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,760
in that scenario, Tech has a
one game advantage because North Carolina doesn't play

779
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,599
Florida State, and Tech would have
a win over UVA that North Carolina doesn't

780
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:54,079
have, and I think I've I've
gone delusional at this point. So that's

781
00:55:54,079 --> 00:56:00,400
pretty that's pretty funny. That's pretty
funny because somebody contacted Jeff yesterday and then

782
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,679
it was kind of funny saying like, yeah, you know, if Virginia

783
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:07,519
Tech wins out, there's a we're
gonna be talking about a Virginia Tech trip

784
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:09,480
to Charlotte, and both of us
were kind of like, I was kind

785
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,800
of chuckling in my mind because only
a tech fan would be that analytical and

786
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,239
engineering, right, other than something
from from and I can't believe, and

787
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,679
it's not gonna happen, but I
know, I know. It was pretty

788
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:27,920
funny. Somehow it's there, and
it's somehow it's there, and there's even

789
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,000
nationally. I think Josh Pate,
for example, Mentionia Tech is, hey,

790
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:37,159
they're alive, still in this thing
in the acc It's I have no

791
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:42,039
words. I didn't see. If
you would have told me that after they

792
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,719
were one and three at Marshall,
yes, even with Pitt and wake Forest

793
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,960
being a little down this year,
you'd have told me that that we'd be

794
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,679
haven't we'd be even able to mention
that. I would have thought you were

795
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:57,960
lost your mind and I Yeah,
if you would have told me that before.

796
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,880
Yeah, if you told me at
any point prior to Tech meeting Wake

797
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,679
Forest, I would have thought you're
crazy. So college football, you gotta

798
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,719
love the sport. You gotta love
this one quick follow up here and then

799
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,920
we'll go to the open mic.
Uh So both of us and I think

800
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,119
we had this in common, that
both of us, Tim had had Tech

801
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:22,280
five at five and seven. I
also, at the beginning of the season

802
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,360
didn't think that NC State's offense would
be as bad as it is. I

803
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,920
missed that by probably by it by
five miles to be a frank of clear,

804
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,639
you know clear. I some would
say the fog of war, right,

805
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:37,800
that you can't even see what's what's
happening in front of you, right.

806
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:44,639
And do you think that Virginia Tech
has a better chance now to make

807
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:45,800
it to a ball than you did
at the beginning of the season. I

808
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,719
mean, do you think it could? Do you think it? There's a

809
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,360
real possibility that it could happen,
happen and we could both be wrong about

810
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,760
it. Yes and no. No, just because I do think this team

811
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:02,159
is still this team. I think
there's clear progress made. But I thought

812
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:06,199
that Anyway, I still think,
you know, Syracuse and NC State are

813
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:13,119
still Syracuse is a matchup issue potentially
with that running game, you've got to

814
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:15,440
go to Boston. I mean,
you should win at Boston College at UV.

815
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:20,239
But this is still rebuilding team.
NC State is still a good program,

816
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:22,599
and of course Louisvill's top twenty five
team of you know, having a

817
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:27,079
very good year and a very good
team. But yes, at the same

818
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:30,960
time, because like I said,
this is not the team that lost to

819
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,519
Purdue. This is not the team
that lost the Marshall. It's not the

820
00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:38,559
team that got beat pretty soundly by
Rutgers. This is a much better football

821
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:45,800
team. They're not great, but
they've gone from bad to mediocre and at

822
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,679
least at least mediocre. We'll find
out in the next couple of weeks if

823
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:52,920
they've continued to make improvements or if
they're even better then we realize in some

824
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:58,360
of those games, but they've made
some improvements. And yeah, NC State,

825
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,320
Yeah, I think I picked them
third or fourth on my preseason ACC

826
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:07,320
ballot this year, part of the
media poll. So hopefully please give me

827
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,880
another vote next year. Hopefully I
won't make an error of that. I

828
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,480
won't have something that gets proved that
wrong. I else said Clemson winning the

829
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:15,960
league over Florida State. I wasn't
ready to jump on Florida State yet that

830
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:23,440
obviously has aged terribly aged like milk. So yeah, I think, uh,

831
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:28,400
you know, NC State has been
a mess. Offensively, Syracuse,

832
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,320
what are they? I'm not buying
Boston. I still think Boston College guv

833
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,719
A probably in the two of the
bottom three or so teams in this league.

834
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,239
Still Boston College, though who knows
at this point, because there's a

835
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:45,039
there's a there's that top tier of
five or six teams or six teams with

836
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,800
Florida State at the top, and
then Duke Louisville, North Carolina, Miami,

837
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:55,519
Clemson, and then there's a whole
weird amalgamation of whatever everything else in

838
00:59:55,519 --> 01:00:00,079
the league is this year, which
by the way, is progress for the

839
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:06,360
AC stuff. That's still progress to
have that type of top six. Then

840
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,280
again, we might be talking about
if Virginia Tech does something the next couple

841
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,199
of weeks here, we might be
talking about top seven. You might have

842
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:17,920
to but yeah, I think it's
it's there. At the same time it's

843
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,760
there, there's more toss up games
and whatnot. In games of Tech should

844
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:27,119
win down in the second half of
the schedule than I foresaw before the season.

845
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:30,360
The same, me too, Man, me too, I'm I'm I'm

846
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:36,119
with you. One last follow up
on Virginia Tech. Uh, it seems

847
01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:43,280
like Virginia Tech has his quarterback in
drones. You can't tell me that they

848
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,760
can think about flipping that and putting, putting in starting and starting Wells next

849
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,679
chair. Do you do? You
don't think that that could happen, do

850
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,239
you? I don't. I think
drones is there. Like I said,

851
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:58,440
I mean that even the depth chart
now shows drones as number one in Well's

852
01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:01,079
number two. And I just don't
see you going the other way, especially

853
01:01:01,079 --> 01:01:05,480
because I think this is what Tech
wants to be under bowen and pride.

854
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:08,199
I think this is what they want
to be, a dual threat type QB.

855
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:14,079
I think and Wells can do some
things with his legs, and he

856
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:17,159
might at his best as a passer, maybe as a higher ceiling in some

857
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:22,320
ways than drones. But I think
drones the gap between drones and Wells as

858
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,599
a pastor is not as big as
some of my colleagues think. I actually

859
01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:29,360
don't think it's that much. I
think drones has shown there's some decisions he

860
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:36,039
made against way for us that we're
like, uh, there's growth but to

861
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:38,480
be done here. There's still some
growth to be done here. But yeah,

862
01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:42,360
I just can't imagine now, with
what we've seen from drones, how

863
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,800
he's continued to get better, how
this offense just seems to be humming.

864
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,199
This just seems to be what Tech
kind of wants to be in many ways,

865
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,840
and or at least a lot of
what Tech wants to be. I

866
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:59,039
think they still got to fix the
offensive line. I think there were choices

867
01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:02,119
that were made, and then you
had an offensive line coach change, and

868
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:05,880
you were and you were kind of
locked into a choice that maybe a different

869
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,679
coach wouldn't have gone down terms of
using the portal or being patient, and

870
01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:13,639
that kind of shot you in the
foot versus not with Joe Rudolph and his

871
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:19,320
very meticulous approach. That isn't great
for the portal necessarily. But I think

872
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,719
you're gonna see Tech be aggressive it
with offensive linemen in the portal. I

873
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:23,800
think they have to be. I
think they have to go get a few

874
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:30,679
guys. But yeah, I can't
imagine drones not being the guy regardless of

875
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:34,360
who you know, the offensive line
next year. I can't imagine Drones not

876
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,320
being the guy at this point.
And you know, Wells will have to

877
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,119
make a decision as well. Does
he try to compete in the spring for

878
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:42,960
the job. And I don't think
they'll. I don't think they'll rule it

879
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,320
out, like if Wells can show
something show growth, okay, like if

880
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:51,039
he can show some more consistency,
because I think he before he got hurt,

881
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,360
I think there were signs that he
had made progress, and I don't

882
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,119
know how much that effect him in
the second half. I think in hindsight,

883
01:02:57,519 --> 01:03:00,480
when he's struggling in the second half
against Purdue, it was clear looking

884
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:05,519
back at the tape he was hurt
and it was affecting him in a big

885
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:08,039
way. And they and I think
that's one thing if tech, if print

886
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:12,880
probably could do that over again.
I bet he pulls Wells a lot sooner

887
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:21,800
because he clearly was not capable a
point the way he should have or ken.

888
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:28,079
But yeah, I think this is
the Drone show going forward, open

889
01:03:28,159 --> 01:03:31,360
microphone time. What do you got
for us? Tim? Yeah, you

890
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,800
know, I think one of the
things I've seen some people talk about.

891
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,119
I think it's a great point nationally
is there's one thing that you know,

892
01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:43,400
talk about TV ratings in a you
know, it's exciting to see more fans

893
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:49,159
in the sport. Let's celebrate that. But we've gotten this such this reductive

894
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:52,159
state. I think one of the
podcasts puts on doo some of the people

895
01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:55,239
over there, Stephen Godfrey, especially
one of the national people over there,

896
01:03:55,639 --> 01:04:00,000
big fans of them, and some
and something. I don't always agree with

897
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:00,599
them, but I think they have
good opinions. I think one of the

898
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:05,079
good ones think he mentioned specifically over
there, and so I'll point out more

899
01:04:05,199 --> 01:04:10,679
is we've gotten too obsessed with things
like TV ratings in this era where we're

900
01:04:10,679 --> 01:04:14,760
desperate for TV money, where there's
fears of this super league, which we're

901
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,639
getting scarily closer because TV executives are
the wheel at the wheel and I think

902
01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:23,880
it's Stuart Mandell at the Athletic I
listen to a different Boggle mentioned this.

903
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:28,320
But we have a sport right now, and I think we, as fans

904
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:32,199
and media and everything, are getting
too obsessed with the ratings, which is

905
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,519
what we shouldn't be doing, because
we should be covering the stories of what

906
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:41,960
the fans want, of what the
people who love this sport want and trying

907
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,159
to addict because that's what makes the
sport great. You know, it doesn't

908
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:47,639
mean when new fans in they shouldn't
be able to bring in new stuff.

909
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:51,480
But we know what makes the sport
great, and it's not what how many

910
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:57,280
we're not worried about necessary about TV
ratings and I think it's just as he

911
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,280
wrote. You know, the TV
executives are worried about the Giants fan and

912
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,360
queens what they want to watch,
not what the Oregon State fan wants.

913
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:12,280
And corvalis who takes his son to
football games. It's a sad state,

914
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,360
our leaders. But we don't have
to We don't have to as fans,

915
01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:20,440
as media, we don't have to
cover that. We can cover the good

916
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:25,280
of the sport because that's what's built
the sport, you know, the Dion

917
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,480
thing. Yes, there's some people
who don't know a lot about the sport

918
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,440
who are talking, but it's exciting
to see them get in into this.

919
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:39,119
And it's exciting to see the excitement
about the Colorado. They're not a top

920
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:43,719
ten brand in the sport. It's
exciting to see what Oregon State's done this

921
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,960
year and become you know, the
way they've rebounded. Exciting to see what

922
01:05:48,039 --> 01:05:51,800
Duke has done, even if their
fans support may not be the biggest,

923
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:56,679
but it's exciting to see. There's
so many great stories for the brands,

924
01:05:56,719 --> 01:06:00,280
teams like Florida State being back Washington. What a great story that is the

925
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:06,400
PAC twelve and it's renaissance at it's
you know, it's this, this,

926
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:13,159
this renaissance at the very end of
the PAC twelve. It's a shame that

927
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:16,559
we've become so obsessed with TV ratings, and you know, because everybody's afraid

928
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:20,400
of the acc crumbling and all that, and Ken Virginia Tech in the lifeboat,

929
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,960
and it's scary that we're heading towards
that. I hate that we're probably

930
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,000
heading towards that, and that is
probably what Tech or all these schools are

931
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,320
gonna have to figure out. It's
terrible, it's bad for the sport.

932
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:39,440
It's it's a time where it's tragic
that there's no commissioner of college football again.

933
01:06:39,559 --> 01:06:43,480
The way of this that the kind
of put the TV executives in their

934
01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:47,519
place a little and protect the interests
of the sport. You know, I

935
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:51,000
grew up a NASCAR fan as well, and I've seen what happens when you

936
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:55,079
take start to take away of things
and in the chase of TV ratings or

937
01:06:55,079 --> 01:07:00,559
other things like that, and that
sport decline. It's playing diehards still around

938
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:04,960
it and still great sport, but
they lost a lot of things. I

939
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,400
don't know if I don't hopefully college
football won't. I don't think it necessarily

940
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:14,119
will. But you know, we
don't have to treat it like the TV

941
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:18,320
executive of being obsessed with TV ratings
and things like that. You know,

942
01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:24,559
there's so many great stories in the
sport, and like I said, I

943
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,800
think, you know, we should
be rooting in some ways for the ACC

944
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,760
to survive. Whether you're a Clemson
fan, of Florida State fan in North

945
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,519
Carolina, Virginia Tech, all the
way down to Boston College, Pittsburgh,

946
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:40,239
Syracuse. Our friends that are going
to be joining us from SMU, Stanford

947
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,719
and cow which welcome, but also
I think it's dumb. Sorry guys,

948
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,400
but though I do look forward to
the Texas Barbecue, the barbecue in this

949
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:51,320
league continues to get better, adding
Texas Barbecue into all the Southeastern barbecue.

950
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:59,079
Virginia and the Carolinas, Georgia all
that's that's good, that's a positive for

951
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:01,719
the league. That team you might
actually be the best of these three editions,

952
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,079
even though all of them make no
sense. But you know, I

953
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:09,840
think we should still want the AEC
to survive. There's no reason why we

954
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:15,840
shouldn't. The sport needs conferences.
This support needs a lot of different voices.

955
01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:18,920
This is not a twenty thirty team. This is not it's you know,

956
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:23,159
people talk about promotion relegation. Maybe
that'd be fun. I don't know.

957
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,560
Maybe. And if we're gonna go
down this path, find a way

958
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,640
to separate it out as college as
football only conferences. And let's fix everything

959
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:38,920
else we've damaged in basketball and other
sports by these moves. Let's fix that.

960
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:45,720
So you know, it is what
it is. But guess what.

961
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,159
We have an incredible football season right
now. This is an incredible season.

962
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:54,560
The SEC might get shut out of
the playoff. It's feasible that the SEC

963
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:59,920
doesn't get a playoff team this year. That is incredible. There is incredible.

964
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:01,760
There are eight to ten teams at
the top of the sport this year

965
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:06,359
could all win the national championship.
This is this is this is one of

966
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:11,560
the best seasons we've had in a
long time in the sport with there may

967
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,800
not be an elite team, but
there are a lot of really good teams.

968
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,079
There's a lot of chaos going on, even if there's not been a

969
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:23,479
lot of like UVA over un c
type upsets this year. So I beg

970
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:28,239
if anyone's listening fans the sport,
like, let's not let's not worry about

971
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:30,880
the TV rays and the realignment crap. Let's just enjoy this season. And

972
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,840
by the way, all those realignment
things on Twitter, all those rumors quote

973
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:40,439
unquote, you know, from random
people. Maybe they're hearing that from someone

974
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:45,439
I don't know, but it's yes, all these teams are you know,

975
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,479
clems. Shocker, many of these
teams are looking at their future. Not

976
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:55,239
a shock the sports and chaos right
now. The sport's unstable, but this

977
01:09:55,319 --> 01:09:58,640
is probably not gonna play out this
way, and with all these TV deals,

978
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,479
it's probably not gonna play out TI
twenty already anyway at the earlies,

979
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:06,359
with the next moves anyway till around
the next TV media cycle. So enjoy

980
01:10:06,399 --> 01:10:10,840
it. We got a great season. The twelve team playoff, I think

981
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,680
it's gonna be a lot of fun
as well, There's been a lot of

982
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,600
meaningful games. There's a lot of
meaningful games right now all over the sport.

983
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,600
We talked about Western Kentucky. Liberty
mentioned that earlier, Miami and Ohio

984
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:25,279
against Ohio this week. There's so
much meaningful football meeting played across the sport

985
01:10:25,319 --> 01:10:30,680
this year. Very good takes,
Tim, Very good takes Tim. I'm

986
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,079
gonna go through my open mic really
quickly before and I'm gonna ask you another

987
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:39,000
question, Tim before we go to
Jeff, and I'm just gonna consider this

988
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:45,319
the lightning round. I lived in
Seattle several years ago when Husky Stadium was

989
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:50,439
rocking and it was the end.
There were years when that place was so

990
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:57,039
deafening that you could see that you
could see the groundshake in Seattle. It's

991
01:10:57,079 --> 01:11:00,159
if you've been, if you've seen
the Husky Stadium and you see the mouth

992
01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:04,239
of it open to Lake Washington.
It really is one of the most gorgeous

993
01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:09,880
football stadiums in the country. And
I have long hoped that Virginia Tech would

994
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,359
set up a home and home with
Seattle just so people could go out there

995
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,039
to that stadium. It is that
gorgeous and it's one that I hope happens

996
01:11:17,079 --> 01:11:20,560
in the future. I saw a
Washington team last night, Tim and Jeff

997
01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:28,119
that I think could lose two more
games this season because Washington has no rushing

998
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:32,079
attack by choice, I might add, might add, they have absolutely no

999
01:11:32,199 --> 01:11:38,760
rushing attack to speak of. There
completely a spread passing sort of team.

1000
01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:43,079
And you know, to be fair
to Washington, they have what many people

1001
01:11:43,119 --> 01:11:46,760
think could be an NFL quarterback.
They for sure have two offensive linemen that

1002
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,800
are going to play in the NFL, and they have some NFL receivers on

1003
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:55,199
that team, so they have some
quality talent on that team. But they

1004
01:11:55,239 --> 01:11:58,920
are one dimensional, very much one
dimensional at times. And Tim, I

1005
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:03,439
want to run through the schedule for
you here that Washington has left because I've

1006
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:08,079
talked with Jeff about this several times
on Twitter and several other folks too.

1007
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,239
This is really one of the toughest
schedules in the country. I mean,

1008
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,920
outside of playing Stanford next week,
which I think will be a win for

1009
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,239
a Washington. This is what Washington's
November. They go on the road to

1010
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:24,760
usc That's a Saturday night game on
November fourth. It's really going to be

1011
01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:28,119
that will be it, I you
know, it says TVD now, but

1012
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:30,920
I believe that's going to be a
Saturday night game. I believe that's one

1013
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,000
that everybody in the country is going
to be watching. Then they have Utah

1014
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:38,960
at home on the on Veterans Day, Then they go to they go to

1015
01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:44,760
work in States on the eighteenth.
Then they close the season against their Apple

1016
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:49,279
Cup opponent, Washington State at home. This is a barn burner schedule,

1017
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,880
Tim, I believe they're going to
be Stanford, but you know, with

1018
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:59,640
their performance against Cal against Arizona State
this week, who knows what's going to

1019
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,279
happen. But I still believe that
they're gonna be Stanford. But that month

1020
01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:05,600
of November, Tim, how many
wins is Washington getna get? Because I

1021
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:10,039
believe they need to be undefeated to
get into the College Football Playoff. But

1022
01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:14,039
I'm gonna be fair fair to them
too, Tim. If they're undefeated,

1023
01:13:14,039 --> 01:13:15,600
they will have the number one seed. So the four as years, Tim,

1024
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,920
I want to hear. I want
to hear about the Huskies because I

1025
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,520
think I think they've been impressive,
but I got had a lot of concerns

1026
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:27,520
on Saturday. Yeah, I'm gonna
actually I think I think they can get

1027
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,479
in with one loss. This year. I think the PAC twelve champ with

1028
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,279
especially with Washington, I think it's
about as good of a path as any

1029
01:13:34,079 --> 01:13:38,920
for a PAC twelve champ to be
the best I think. I think if

1030
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,239
it comes say it came down to
a one loss Pack twelve champ versus a

1031
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:48,680
one loss Georgia SEC champ, I
think it's we're in crazy town. But

1032
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:55,520
I think Washington has the better resume. And by the way, I think

1033
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,720
it's a tough schedule, there's no
doubt. But you look at USC.

1034
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:03,720
USC's defense is bad, is again
bad, and I think Washington could put

1035
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,520
a fifty and I think they had
a letdown game, but they found a

1036
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,600
way the scrap out. They found
away the scrap and claw and win.

1037
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,079
That game is gonna be a shootout
against USC. But Washington's defense has a

1038
01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:17,479
pulse. Their defense is not maybe
won't set the world on fire, but

1039
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:23,039
it's pretty decent. And I think, yeah, I think that that's gonna

1040
01:14:23,039 --> 01:14:29,279
be a tough game, but you
know USC's got issues defensively. You taugh

1041
01:14:29,319 --> 01:14:32,520
at home that game. Being at
home is huge when you can lean on

1042
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:39,680
those home fans, it'll be rocking
in Seattle. That's gonna be a lot

1043
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,479
of fun. I think they can
definitely. You know, it's much better

1044
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,680
that that game is in Seattle than
Salt Lake City, unlike Oregon. At

1045
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:51,000
Oregon State, it's gonna be tricky, you know. I mean the final

1046
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:55,600
two weeks, you've got the two
PAC twelve teams that have been abandoned by

1047
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,600
everybody. So you know, especially
in Corvallis, they're gonna be angry.

1048
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:02,279
They're probably a bunch of Washington State
fans who try to get tickets. But

1049
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,399
it's a very good game, very
good thing for Washington that that that game

1050
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:12,239
is not in Pullman, that's in
Seattle. I think they went three or

1051
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:14,760
four. I think that. I
think I think they went at least three

1052
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,520
or four. I think they could
win out. I think they could go

1053
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:20,399
into the Patrol Championship Game twelve and
lo, I know last night was not

1054
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,800
pretty, but that happened. I
mean, look at Florida State against Boston

1055
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:30,079
College. It's a good points.
That's a very good point, and I

1056
01:15:30,119 --> 01:15:31,680
do agree, but that they are
they do have a couple running backs who

1057
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,039
are averaging you know, five six
yards of carry as well, and I

1058
01:15:35,279 --> 01:15:41,079
think that offensive that passing that adn
roma Dunze is a first round type talent.

1059
01:15:41,159 --> 01:15:46,960
Polk McMillan. It's a really good
passing attack. And now Pennix has

1060
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,079
had his moments. He's not a
perfect player, but I think, and

1061
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:54,239
you have a Kalin de Bor who
knows how to win. This guy's won

1062
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,960
all levels of the sport Fresno State. I gotta look it up on my

1063
01:15:58,079 --> 01:16:04,039
laptop here, but I can't remember
where else he he was in Sue Falls,

1064
01:16:04,079 --> 01:16:09,560
Sue Falls, there we go.
I should have known, you know,

1065
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,920
I remember that. I know,
I mean, and I think about

1066
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,000
it. Yeah, I'm looking up
right now. But I mean, he's

1067
01:16:16,039 --> 01:16:20,640
a three time NAIA champion. You
know, he won three championships in five

1068
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,479
seasons as a head coach there.
I mean, he's only on three sixty

1069
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,199
seven and three. This guy knows
how to win the board, knows how

1070
01:16:28,199 --> 01:16:31,520
the win and he's also worked with
you know, he knows Pennix from you

1071
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,600
know, he was in OC for
a year in Indiana before he got the

1072
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:38,520
president state job, so he's he's
been with Pennix in a way for a

1073
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,760
while. So he knows how how
to get the Pennix right after a bad

1074
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,520
week. I think, and so
would not shock me if they lose one.

1075
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,359
It would not shock me if they
go un defeed it either, even

1076
01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:53,520
against this tough schedule, I think
they're that good, you know. And

1077
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:57,880
I think a one loss Washington or
a one loss Oregon or one loss Utah

1078
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:01,359
pac twelve champ a very good chance
can get in the College Football Playoff.

1079
01:17:01,359 --> 01:17:03,960
I mean, even like I said, Utah for example, you look at

1080
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:09,159
them, I mean, say they
beat Oregon, they win at Washington and

1081
01:17:09,239 --> 01:17:12,439
went out and then win the Pactoral
Championship. They have a win over Florida

1082
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:17,520
at Baylor, they have win over
UCLA. That's a darn good resume.

1083
01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:21,840
That's a really good resume, even
Oregon State. That's the thing, so

1084
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,800
many of these teams, all these
teams, they got one loss, you

1085
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,920
know, Oregon State, with Washington
and at Oregon, and then you go

1086
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:33,239
win the Pactoral Championship, wins over
Utah and UCLA two it's pretty good.

1087
01:17:34,079 --> 01:17:39,600
So but also they might end up
producing an eleven and two champion. And

1088
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:45,319
this is a perfect reason why a
twelve team playoff is great, because it's

1089
01:17:45,359 --> 01:17:48,680
gonna be great because you know,
we might have a year with you know,

1090
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:53,239
unfortunately wouldn't have been an issue next
year when there's only four, you

1091
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:57,880
know, four power conferences. But
this would have been a year where we

1092
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:03,680
could have five elite conference champions one
law for the power conferences. And you

1093
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:08,079
know, you look at every conference
champions like college should be in there,

1094
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:15,479
whether it's Texas or Oklahoma, Florida
State, Georgia, whoever of the three

1095
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:20,199
Ohio State, Michigan or maybe Penn
State come out of Big Ten. So

1096
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:25,239
I say Washington only loses one the
rest of the way and in the regular

1097
01:18:25,279 --> 01:18:29,000
season, then we'll see what happens
to the conference championship. Well said friend.

1098
01:18:29,079 --> 01:18:34,319
Well said, Jeff, you're up
right. Yeah, I'll just be

1099
01:18:34,399 --> 01:18:42,279
real brief with my open mind here. Uh, tomorrow, we are two

1100
01:18:42,359 --> 01:18:47,960
weeks away from the college basketball season
beginning, and this that that is my

1101
01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:55,479
favorite favorite sports time of year,
when you've got college basketball and college football

1102
01:18:55,560 --> 01:19:00,359
going. So definitely looking forward to
that and kind of hats off. But

1103
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:04,720
I would say to the the a
c C, a D s and presidents

1104
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:14,640
because there was actually a ACC fall
meetings that really didn't get talked about last

1105
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:19,119
week. Uh, those were held
in the past week, and they did

1106
01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:26,600
talk about revenue generation and and you
know all the stuff realignment wise that people

1107
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,960
are worried about, and you know, it was quiet. That was the

1108
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,479
best thing about it. There was
no you know, we know everyone's looking

1109
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:42,399
at their own self interest, but
honestly doesn't do any good for for different

1110
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:47,760
schools to publicly show out, I
would say. And it was quiet,

1111
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:53,720
And then I think that was a
good thing. Focused on the football because

1112
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:59,039
it is like Tim said, it's
a great college football season. The ACCS

1113
01:19:59,119 --> 01:20:03,000
had had a really strong season.
You know, some really nice out of

1114
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:08,880
conference wins. Florida State right there
in the in the mix for a playoff

1115
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:14,520
spot. You know, see how
they handle things down the stretch. I

1116
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,720
you know, just like you said, Tim, they're really I don't think

1117
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,039
there is a great team. And
I don't know about Michigan. I mean,

1118
01:20:20,079 --> 01:20:23,479
I know they're blowing everybody out.
But I think I said out of

1119
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,880
the podcast last week, you know, play somebody with a pulse before you

1120
01:20:27,039 --> 01:20:30,039
kind of catch my attention. I
think there's probably a dozen teams in the

1121
01:20:30,079 --> 01:20:34,920
country that would you know, put
up similar you know type results against the

1122
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:39,840
schedule they played, or at the
very least they'd be undefeated as well.

1123
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:44,199
But you know, so I'm not
I don't think there is a truly great

1124
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:47,560
team at the moment, but I
know Florida State has a great player who

1125
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,680
takes what I would be a pretty
good team and can make them potentially great.

1126
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:59,000
You know, Jordan Travis against Duke, and that's a really good Duke

1127
01:20:59,079 --> 01:21:03,920
defense who contained that offense for a
good portion of that game. But you

1128
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:09,600
can only hold him in that offense
so long and he eventually started finding holes

1129
01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:14,079
there. And I know the Riley
Leonard injury really hurt Duke there. But

1130
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,760
I mean, Jordan Travis is a
really special, special player and so it's

1131
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:24,880
gonna be a great second half to
the season here. Amen. Amen,

1132
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:32,000
Tim, thanks so much for joining
the All Sports Discussion ACC podcast. Thank

1133
01:21:32,039 --> 01:21:34,720
you for spreading your Sunday Night with
us friend, and we would love to

1134
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:40,920
have you come back on the show
again sometimes pleasure. I look forward to

1135
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,880
coming back on here, and yeah, I got a few excited tell you

1136
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:46,760
this. Who knows how this is
all gonna play out? This year?

1137
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,920
Got a lot of chaos coming,
I think, and Jeff you mentioned it.

1138
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:55,960
Basketball season is almost here and it's
gonna be a very interesting year of

1139
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,640
the A SEC on the men's side
and on the woman's side. There's a

1140
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,079
lot of excitement obviously for Tech this
year. Could this be the year for

1141
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:08,039
a team national championship for the first
time for Virginia Tech coming in women's basketball

1142
01:22:08,079 --> 01:22:14,560
specifically, we'll see way to give
us some good insight there, Tim,

1143
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,560
And thank you so much for coming
on and it was a good closer and

1144
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,319
we'd love to have you come on
the show again sometime. Thanks again,

1145
01:22:19,359 --> 01:22:20,520
and have a great week, guys.