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Mac Not to sound creepy, not
to be crass, but this just came

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to my head the other day.
What is the first movie that you saw

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it? Nuditaian and can remember?
What were you doing that this came to

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mind? Might ask you worry about
me? Don't ask personal questions. It's

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one of two movies. I'm pretty
sure. I'm pretty sure that it was

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Titanic in Kate Winsless one titty,
one nipple. I don't think we saw

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both in that. If it wasn't
that it was Friday the thirteenth, would

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you see a couple of sets of
breasts in that movie? Which was probably

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too early for me to watch that
movie? But what are you gonna do?

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And if it wasn't those two things, I think I watched those two

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things before Woodstock ninety nine. But
then Woodstock ninety nine had tits galore,

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So one of those three things,
for sure was the first breasts I saw

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on a screen. Goo, Yes, was the first titty you saw?

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Okay? So the first one I
remember is Fast Times at Ridgemont High Phoebe

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Kates, So you watched that before
you watched Titanic, So I'm pretty sure

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that I saw that before Titanic,
Okay, which is funny because I saw

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that with my cousins, and I
think my dad was in the room and

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he didn't say anything about, you
know, her blowing the carrot or anything.

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Sure, and you mentioned Friday the
thirteenth. I think my first might

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be from Halloween. Oh I want
now, I'm wondering if I saw Halloween

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before I saw Friday thirteenth. I
don't know. I think I may have

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seen the edited Halloween before I saw
the unedited Friday thirteenth. But I think

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I saw because Friday the thirteenth.
I've said it a couple of times here

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on here. When I was a
kid, I wanted to watch Scream.

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So my father, as sort of
as a litmus test, said, listen,

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if you can handle Fire the thirteenth, you can watch Scream. So

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he showed me Friday thirteenth, which
had breacists, and I was good.

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I was all set ready to rock. When I was a kid, I

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wanted to smoke a cigar. My
father said, no, you're gonna have

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these cigarettes. First one three years
three, King of Queen and Miry Street

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entertainer Goo and I'm min and we
are the Mac and Goop program we bring

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You Friendship and today Speed Force.
Yeah, today we're talking about the Flash,

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that's right, the long awaited,
much anticipated The Flash, which I

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think has been in development now for
what six years? Five years? Ever

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since Jostice League. That was yeah, pretty sure. Yeah, um,

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this is what we were pretty much
promised after that. And uh, I

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think what we ended up here with
five six years later is a far cry

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from what they probably set out to
do five six years ago. Though that's

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not a bad thing. I don't
know if it's a good thing either,

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and we can get into that too, but yeah, this is the ultimately

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Um now, I we still don't
really have clarity on this, but for

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lack of clarity's sake, let's call
this the last movie in what was the

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DCU, the universe that started with
twenty thirteen A Man of Steel. So

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this is the fifteenth entry into that
universe. Fourteen movies. One show,

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of course, Peacemaker. The one
that we saw most recent to this in

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that universe would be Fury of the
Gods, which we saw in March,

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which we both thought was okay,
it was fine, Well it should have

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been better, so better. Yeah, Yeah, And that's sort of the

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common theme with this whole entire universe
goo. I would say this this universe

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is mercifully coming to a close after
ten messy years. However, you could

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argue that it finishes on somewhat of
a high note here. Yeah, I

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think it finishes on definitely in its
handful of best movies, within its handful

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of best movies. Yeah, a
mount rushmore DCU movie. I think it

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worse. You could argue it's fifth, but to me it's probably at least

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number four. The Flash is a
rated PG thirteen action adventure, fantasy and

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sci fi with a runtime of one
hundred and forty four minutes, so it's

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on the longer side, but the
pacing is such that you don't really feel

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like it's a two and a half
hour movie. I did feel it a

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smidge at the end of the second
act heading into the third act, that's

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when it did get a bit long. And when it comes to being rated

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PG thirteen, they much like Guarding
too. The Galaxy Volume three do push

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the PG thirteen. Yeah, they
get away with a couple of things in

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here, that's sure, A couple
a couple of cuss words in here.

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Go the ratings. This is very
interesting and we are hoarding before the full

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audience score. I'm gonna turn my
headphones off because once again I don't dare

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on roddy ts. This has seventy
two percent from the critics. That's out

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of one hundred and forty three critic
reviews. That would be fifth best behind

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Peacemaker, Wonder Woman, The Suicide
Squad, and Birds of Prey. Currently,

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the audience score GOO now, this
is less than one hundred audience reviews,

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so I don't even know why the
numbers up there, but it's at

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ninety five percent, which I think
is understandable. It probably will drop a

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little bit, but I think this
is gonna end up being around ninety audience

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score wise on Metacritic Goo a sixty
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also fifth behind those same four properties, just ordered differently, Wonder Woman,

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The Suicide Squad, Shazam, and
Peacemaker. So you can shoot on Roddy

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T's all you want. But I
think we can take away from that coup

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is definitively Tom Cruise, James Gunn, You're all big fat liars. This

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is nowhere even remotely close to the
greatest comic book movie of all time.

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It's not even the best DC colic
book movie of all time. It's not

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even the best DCU comic book movie
of all time. So I still would

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like to see Tom Cruise's Letterbox D
to see what else he likes. But

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for James Gunn, the stuff in
this movie does kind of mesh with the

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things that he likes or that he
talks about. Yeah, this movie's fun

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it's funny, and it does feel
like, even though he probably had little

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to do with this movie because he
came on so late in the process,

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it does feel like it has a
little bit of a James gun fingerprint on

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it. It does try and go
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even in the opening act with that
action sequence, it felt very gunny.

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And if you know what I'm talking
about, we'll talk about that and spoilers.

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But Gunn tweeted out earlier that he
saw the first cut for this a

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year ago before he was the head
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So I mean it's probably gone through
a bunch of reshoots and you know,

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recuts, but I don't think he
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No, I don't think he did
either. But again, it's sort of

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a for better or for worse from
going back to twenty seventeen twenty eighteen,

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because I feel like, once you
walked away and had a few hours a

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day to live and sit with this
movie, you almost feel like it didn't

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do enough right and probably in part
because they're saving some cool stuff or stuff

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that would have been in play here
for what Gun's gonna do. I would

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say that what hurt it for me
would be the Internet knew every secret.

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Yeah that's true, but also like
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So what that would have done for
me is maybe I would have had

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like a bigger blown away first feeling
about the movie. Yeah, and then

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you know, you take it,
you know, day or two when you

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think about it, you say,
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it did take away a couple moments
that if I didn't know about, I

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would have made a real mess in
the theater. Her there's a moment in

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this movie that if if it was
unbeknownst to us, yes, you would

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have passed out from the come,
no doubt about it. I would have

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been So would have been one of
those moments where you finished, you just

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roll over and fall asleep and I
would have to wake yet I would have

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been like that meme of like the
dehydrated body good. This movie is written

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by Christina Hodson and Joe by Harold. Christina Hodson, you may know she

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wrote Bumblebee and Birds of Prey,
so they brought her back for a second

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DC property Goose. She's also writing
Fast X Part two. She's very interesting

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and is uh signed on to be
the writer from Marge Bob's Pirates of the

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Caribbean movie. And additionally she was
the writer on the Scrapped Back Girl movie.

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So what an up and down ride
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would be sick as if Fast X
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the whole movie was just in French
out of nowhere. Joe by Harold you

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may know from King Arthur Legend of
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Oben. He also wrote Army of
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He's got my hero Academia. So
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the writing was gonna be the weak
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I can confidently say it wasn't.
The overarching story. Yeah, I have

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an issue with but I think that
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The writing in this movie, the
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I actually thought might have been the
best part of the movie. Yeah,

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and telling Barry's story, telling,
you know, losing his mother, having

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to deal with that grief multiple times. I think what they do in this

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movie with that is great. And
they also handle all of those other characters

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that they introduced into this movie extremely
well. Yeah, I agree. Because

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this movie was directed by Andy Machette
the Mousquetti. I don't know how you

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want to say it there, but
he is the director from Mama It and

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It Chapter two upcoming movies He's got
Welcome to Dairy an Attack on Titan.

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I don't know if I had had
issues with the direction per se, but

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there are some things in this movie
that don't look great, and some of

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it does that to do I don't
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A lot of that is CGI.
Yes, some of it I think his

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direction in the way he chooses to
shoot a couple of things. But you're

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right, a lot of it is
the CG. A lot of the wonky

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look of this movie is the CGI
and the breakneck speed of how like say

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Superwoman moves around and uses her powers. She Superwoman or Supergirl. I think

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it's Woman now, I feel like
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it's Supergirl. I don't know.
Man, you can call her whatever you

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want, dude. The synopsis of
this movie Barry Allen uses his superspeed to

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change the past, but his attempt
to save his family creates a world without

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superheroes, forcing him to race for
his life in order to save the future.

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That's kind of it, but it
should say metahumans. Yeah, because

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Batman he doesn't have superpowers, but
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I agree. This movie stars Ezra
Miller as Barry Allen. Booo not

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to Barry Allen, Barry Allen's finest
but Ezra Miller boo. Yeah, get

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this out of the way. Obviously, he seems like he's a pretty bad

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person. I actually think in this
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far. As the flash Goo.
Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne slashed Batman.

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What do you have to say about
him? Bendicaded, I was wrong,

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I was right, and I knew
it all along. Oh man, what

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a turn, What a turn.
Yeah, as they noted, non Keaton

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guy, not really a fan of
his Batman. I gotta say he was

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great in this the best character in
this movie. I really enjoyed the take

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on the character that we got.
I loved him back in eighty nine and

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ninety two. But I'm also willing
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years question Mark, Yeah, he's
become a better actor as well. Sure

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he has so much more range and
what he does with this character, he's

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all over the place. Yeah,
he does a great job elsewhere here in

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the movie. Good. We get
Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne Batman, who

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is not in it maybe as much
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he does a good enough job.
I don't think he was as strong as

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Keaton in this movie, but that's
not the sad. I still don't like

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him more. Sasha Cally, I
believe it's pronounced as Supergirl. She was

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okay. I didn't think she was
great. I didn't think she was bad.

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Michael Shannon as General Zod. Yeah, hearing him talk about this movie,

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he's just like, I don't care. He doesn't care. They even

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said, you know, what was
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He's like, it wasn't that satisfying. Let's tell you that much good.

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Ron Livingston as Barry's father, Harry
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he was great. I got both. I really really liked it yet And

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speaking of his mother, Mary Bell
Verdo as Norah Allen, she was very

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good when she needed to be.
H Kircy Clemens is Irish West. Barry's

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basically basically his love interest. She's
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It's almost almost force yeah funny in
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or she lets Barry be funny in
the one or two scenes that she's at.

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Yeah, yeah, go a real
negative about this movie. And I

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don't want to make little kids feel
bad. Ian Lowe as Little Berry.

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I thought it was fucking terrible.
Is that little Berry or a little Barry

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whatever? You little rel howery little
Berry. I thought it was really bad.

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I thought it was terrible. Yeah, it wasn't great. A couple

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more here before and there's some spoiler
stuff that we'll get into in spoilers.

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Galagado obviously pops up here as wonder
Woman. It almost felt like she was

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in the very first cut of this
movie, and then what we got at

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the end was a lot less of
that almost felt like she was on the

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set of Shazam Fury of the Gods
and they said, hey, can you

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come over here for a Yeah,
we need we need you for a scene

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because she's literally in here for a
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this character is only in the movie
for maybe five minutes. Sean Rogers as

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Gary, roommate of Barry. I
thought it was fucking unreal. Stole the

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show with the leg It was awesome, absolutely killed me. Yes, go

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some prerequisites for this movie, basically, how much did the prior DC stuff

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matter. Now, you would think
fifteen properties in a movie build as this

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massive sort of crossover event maybe conclusion
to these fifteen properties. You'd think a

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lot of stuff would tie in here. Unfortunately, you don't get hardly any

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tie ins. Essentially, all you
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to understand the movie was Man of
Steel, Yes, and Justice League.

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I think that's about it. Zack
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not Cannon. No, but it's
Speed Force. Okay, fair, but

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it's not Cannon, which is weird, I know, but it's speed force.

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Yeah, but hmm, that's a
good point. The speed force in

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that is used a little differently though, but it's still used and he discovers

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it in that movie. Sure,
but I mean it's like introduced sort of

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in this as well. I don't
think you really need to. But it's

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a both watch both justice leagues,
I guess. But point here is fifteen

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movies in and you're telling us basically
twelve of the fifteen, eleven of the

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fifteen don't matter. Cops said that
didn't matter. Yeah, And also there's

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a little bit of a sour taste
left here because it's a bit of an

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unsatisfying quote unquote conclusion. And I'm
not so sure anything that happens in this

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movie means anything. It's satisfying in
learning a lesson, but not necessarily like

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it's not satisfying in wrapping off this
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for one character and one character only, which is okay though it's okay in

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a vacuum, but leading up to
this with some flashpoint promise, it doesn't

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really satisfy those those ends. So
mac, I think I have a couple

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of issues with this movie. My
biggest one is that you're in a couple

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scenes and then out of nowhere,
the CGI just looks like trash. How

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did this happen? It makes no
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working on it for so long,
and especially actually to your point here at

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them using the speed force in the
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It not only looks worse in this
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worse than from the setor cut,
but it's just like it just doesn't look

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good. Between that, there are
some action scenes that you get taken right

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out of, and also there's a
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looks like a PS three cut scene. I still can't get over the way

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this man runs. I don't know
who show who told him to run?

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Like, do you think that they
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know, X Men already used the
coolest possible running scene and Sonic did a

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pretty good job with it, so
they're like, shit, we gotta do

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something. No. No, I
think you could have just at him run

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like a normal person and it would
have worked. Like if you watch you

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saying Bolt run, it is a
completely different stance than with the Flash run.

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I'll tell you what I would have
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with Usain Bolt. Obviously that's not
a great example, but if the fastest

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human on the planet doesn't run remotely
close to what they show us the flash

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running like it's it's just doesn't jive. And I guess that you do explain

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it away like he's skating over the
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I don't know. It just doesn't
look good, although it does lead

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to one really funny scene in the
ear He should have ran like Ellie de

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la Cruz. Yeah, fastest sprig
speed in the league right now, straightforward

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speed baby. And then also,
like I said earlier, with a gun.

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the bun with their jokes and maybe
with some of their action. They take

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some bigger swings here and get a
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Like at the beginning of the movie, this isn't really a spoiler,

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but he needs to save babies fall
out of a hospital window. It doesn't

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necessarily look great. It looks not
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the idea of it I appreciate.
It's fun. So that's a lot of

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that's the the the interesting thing about
this movie. Those two ideas are like

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bouncing back and forth in your head
the whole movie. A lot of it

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doesn't look great. Yeah, but
what they're doing is fun and it's pretty

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that's unique. We haven't seen this
yet. Yeah, it's it's a it's

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a weird battle going on in your
head the whole movie because you're like,

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oh, this is fun, this
is cool. But it doesn't look that

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great. It looks like it's from
twenty twelve. It doesn't look good.

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It just it doesn't. And we're
not saying they did a bad job.

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Whoever greenlit it did a bad job. Whoever said all right, let's put

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this to print. Whatever, it's
cool. Uh. And you know us

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being only you know, a few
days a week removed from talking about Across

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the Spider Verse and how amazing of
a job those animators and there's a fourteen

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year old kid that animated the Lego
scene in that. And you can't tell

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me this two hundred and twenty million
dollar movie can't have good cgi. It

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just doesn't. It's it is.
It has been a decent problem the whole

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time. I will say this though, is that they said, Okay,

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yeah, we had a budget of
two hundred and twenty million, but we

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had to give one hundred and fifty
of that to Michael Keaton. I would

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have said money well spent. Yes, you would have said that. I

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said that ROI on that payment right
there is pretty goddamn good. All right,

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mac, let's get into the gauntlet
before we give our hot dog scores

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and start diving into some spoilers,
because it's really tough to talk about this

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movie without spoiling anything. Fun factor, and I think there is tons of

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fun. Even though I'm not the
biggest fan of the main character, He's

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still had some pretty good humor there. And then everything with Batman, bat

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Man's if you will great great thumbs
up. Yeah, consistent fun throughout,

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and that's really what if you look
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be a Peacemaker, the Suicide Squad, or Shazam with honorable mention the Wonder

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Woman, what separates those from the
pack is the fun those properties have and

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the fun you have throughout the run
time. And so that's why even though

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this isn't in the top tier,
I don't think it's in the conversation with

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those because thematically it feels more like
those satisfactor, How satisfied were you by

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this movie? And by the end
of it, satisfied in a way that

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I wasn't expecting, because I wasn't
expecting them to wrap it up as they

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did. Yeah, this is an
interesting one because I think there's several satisfying

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moments in this movie for a lot
of moviegoers, being that somewhere ruined by

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Reddit. For me, I didn't
quite get that satisfaction. Additionally, I'm

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a little dissatisfied with the lack of
like multiverse and crossover stuff we got bor

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on it or how boring was this
movie? And I don't think it was

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super boring. I already talked a
little tick end of the second beginning of

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the third act, and then also
there is a storyline in here that wasn't

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necessarily boring, but I thought it
was wonderfully stupid. I wouldn't say boring

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either, but I do think the
big climax of the movie is pretty predictable.

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You catch on maybe ten or fifteen
minutes beforehand, and so maybe because

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it's so predictable, it feels a
bit boring in that moment, but no,

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in general not boring the boometers low
Aquator. It is better than twenty

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seventeen's Aquaman, sure is Halloween.
Will this movie get worse over time for

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you or get better? I don't
know, will it, Wayne, And

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I don't think it will a ton
for me. I think usually with movies

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like this, the big Easter Rigg
movies, the big cameo movies, after

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that initial pop, you do get
that, Wayne, But going into it,

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you knew what all of these were
gonna be. And I've kind of

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sad in a couple of days and
I'm still around the same. Yeah,

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I agree with you more or less
in that it didn't sort of it didn't

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exceed my expectations. It didn't really
fail to meet them either. It's sort

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of like landed the plane roughly as
I expected. But it's not gonna mean

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much going forward. At least I
don't think there's not gonna be much reason

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to come back to this either.
So probably naturally at will Wayne wien Pants,

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Tent City, Excite, bike Mania? What got you going in this

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movie? And it's very simple,
one word, Keaton, Keaton Baby.

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There is one action scene in this
movie where it is stuff that. Now,

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we've seen some really good action Batman
scenes over the past decade with Affleck

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with Pattinson, they gave us one
with Keaton that I just loved. I

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loved everything about it. Also,
it's definitely not Keaton in the batsuit,

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but that Baton man doing those things
is fun. Can dope. It's a

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true pants sent for anyone that loves
Batman. Just like kicking the shit out

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of like fifteen villains in a room. It really is satisfying. I don't

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know if it's quite Batfleck level from
bbs um And there's also a couple of

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cool Battenson scenes. Everything it is
in the conversation for best Batman scenes we've

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seen. So that's honestly impressive considering
that that Keaton Batman. We had never

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had a scene like that before.
Max credit Union. Who are we giving

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credit to? And I will give
it to my Italian brethren. He's Italian,

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right. It's got I would say, for juggling this whole movie with

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all the topics, and it's not
too overwhelming, which is pretty good.

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I think that's done pretty well.
Yeah, it's weird you're giving the director

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credit. I'm giving the writer's credit
here, but we don't really love the

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movie. I gotta give the writers
credit, but I can't give Keaton every

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award. This is in part because
I had such low expectation for the writing

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coming into this movie, and I
thought it blew my expectations out of the

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water. This movie is legit funny, legit hysterical, and I was worried

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about that going in. For those
of you tardy to the Mac and Goop

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party, we rate everything on a
forty hot dog rating system. Mac I

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shall go first, and I think
the most important thing for everybody going into

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this, and this will really influence
how much you like the movie, is

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how much do you like Ezra Miller's
flash. Not Ezra Miller in general as

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a person, but his depiction of
the character, his depiction of Barry Allen,

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Because not only is there one of
him, but there is double trouble.

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There is a parent travel there is
two of them, and the younger

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one is turned up to eleven.
He's way way more annoying. It's a

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good way of putting it. Yeah, So if you love that character,

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I think this is more for you
than for me. I'm also willing to

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ignore some wonky CGI but there was
a lot like around each turn, there

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was more weird cgi that I didn't
love. But the movie's pretty fun and

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Michael Keaton is just fucking amazing in
this. He saves the movie for me,

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not necessarily from being a terrible movie, but it goes from being a

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good movie, one that you might
not remember, to being pretty memorable because

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of him. I love him the
charisma, the humor, the action scenes.

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Like I said earlier, not necessarily
with him, but with that character.

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And he needs to be brought back
for the Batman Beyond movie that was

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promised to us, not really promised, but they had green lit it and

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then they took it away. But
make this movie with him as the surly

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old Bruce Wayne, because we see
it here. He can pull that off

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and it'll be fucking amazing. Affleck
also good as Batman. Everything Batman thumbs

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up. There are some really great
cameos, really good Easter Eggs ones that

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I really wish I didn't know about
it, because they would have fucking blew

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my pants off. That's not even
a saying. It would have happened.

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They would have flew up to the
ceiling, My pants would have flume,

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so I liked a bunch of stuff
in this. I loved some stuff in

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this, but the movie didn't really
blow me away. I got it at

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thirty three Hot Dogs. Now,
before I get into my dog score,

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do you think your score is affected
by the fact that you were sort of

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expecting like a forty dog movie.
So let's say two months ago. You

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know, once once Gun came out
and said that Once CRUs came out and

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said that you're expecting like thirty eight
thirty nine. Sure, but also if

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you gave me like ten more minutes
of Keaton forty, if you give me

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more money thirty five. I think
coming into this movie, I didn't expect

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it to be any better than like
a thirty six thirty seven dog movie.

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So I think that helps my score, And maybe that's why your score isn't

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as high. Some people might might
think, all right, goo uh,

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don't get me wrong. I do
like the story in the very human message

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this film has especially to round out
our hero, to round out Barry.

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It really works for Barry Allen the
Flash. However, it is hard not

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feeling disappointed with the lack of multiverses
or crossovers after once again being promised a

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bill of goods that we simply did
not get. This is getting pretty tiring

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for these big multiverse events where we
really just operate in two. In fact,

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it suffers from the exact same problems, not all of them, but

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many of the same problems that Multiverse
of Madness had. We're going in,

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you're expecting let's say, five crossovers
or whatever, and you really just get

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one big one, and so it's
a little bit of a letdown. So

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ultimately this movie feels more like a
solo movie, oddly enough, than it

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does some massive crossover despite the inclusion
of some certain characters. So I suppose

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calling it the Flash works because it
really is just a movie about the Flash,

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how the Flash grows, how the
Flash gets rounded out, even though

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it's quote unquote U multiverse movie.
One of those characters, though, Goo,

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as we've talked about extensively here so
far, is Michael Keaton's Batman,

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and he's flat out awesome. He's
the best character in this movie, and

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he also provides what I think is
the best scene in this movie, giving

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us a Keaton scene we had never
seen before in the Batsuit. Also,

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to your point, I think the
next best scene might be the opening with

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Batfleck in that whole chase thing,
that was pretty sweet as well. And

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to expand on what you were talking
about with the CGI, I think that's

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gonna be a really common criticism of
this film. Maybe the most common criticism

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is this lackluster CGI. And again, all this talk about this movie being

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one of the greatest comic book movies
ever and having a budget north of two

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hundred and twenty million, there's no
excuse for the loads of bad CGI in

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this just none. There's no reason
for it. And several scenes in here

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that are supposed to be great or
maybe emotionally great, feel a little less

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because the CGI is not good.
So it actually does take away from moments

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in this movie. And final real
criticism of this movie, and it's probably

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the biggest, it lacks a good
villain. It's almost devoid of a real

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villain. Because if you want to
and you know, it does work because

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00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:15.440
of the barry stuff going on,
but if you want to compare this to

406
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:18.960
The Goats or talk about this being
one of the greatest conflict movies of all

407
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:22.720
time, it needs that. It
needs a great villain, a villain that

408
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.279
we hate, or a villain that
we can understand their motivations and it doesn't

409
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:29.160
have it. And then once you
really figure out what's going on in this

410
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:32.799
movie, it loses a little bit
of steam as well. And I do

411
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:37.480
think probably they pulled back on some
of the possibilities and potential of the story

412
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.440
because they're planning on using some stuff
in the future, or guns planning on

413
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.279
using some stuff in the future.
And I get that, but it does

414
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:48.079
ultimately hurt this movie. All that
being said, go I laughed out loud

415
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.319
a shit ton of times in this
movie. This movie is hysterical. There's

416
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:56.359
loads of fun. I do wonder
because it does get like silly and goofy,

417
00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.880
especially with the young Barry. If
there's some Love and Thunder fan reaction

418
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.519
to this that it's almost a little
too goofire, too silly. I don't

419
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:07.279
have those thoughts. I thought it
was really good, just as I thought

420
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:11.839
Love and Thunder is really good.
So do I have this at thirty four

421
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.480
hot dogs. It's the third best
DCU movie to me, behind The Suicide

422
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:19.960
Squad and Shazam. I forget what
I gave Peacemaker, but I think it's

423
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.960
right around that as well, and
those are just ahead of Wonder Woman and

424
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:29.799
for me, probably the fourth best
movie of twenty twenty three, just narrowly

425
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:33.039
edging out Quantum Mania. But those
might flipflop as the year goes on.

426
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.039
They're different. Quantum Adia's get a
great villain, maybe missed on some other

427
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.359
parts, and the Flash has some
great moments throughout but lacks a great villain.

428
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.279
So it's interesting to think here that
I might like this movie a little

429
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.920
bit more than you considering how we
were going into it. So I have

430
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:53.319
this third in the DCU, but
right around where Wonder Woman is, I

431
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:57.160
still have these Suicide Squad at number
one, shazamat number two, and then

432
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:03.000
on the year so far, I
have it around five or six, right

433
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.880
around where BlackBerry is maybe a little
bit lower than BlackBerry, and for com

434
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:12.119
book movies below across the Spider Verse, Guardians and you have it above quantum

435
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.400
Mania as well. I didn't not
have it, not well above quantum Mania.

436
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.240
I have quantum Mania around like thirty
one, so it's two or three

437
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.039
dogs higher. All right, Yeah, so I liked quantum Mania a bit

438
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.880
more than you then, but quantum
Mania, hear me out, didn't have

439
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:33.640
Michael Keaton, spiler spiler, spilers, spoilers goo, Yes, full disclosure.

440
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.160
We've mentioned this a couple of times. We mentioned this in teasing this

441
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:42.480
movie a bit. Had we not
known some of these cameos, I have

442
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:47.200
no doubt in my mind that both
of our once again we're spoiling. We're

443
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:52.160
gonna start talking about the cameos right
now, so turn your radio off.

444
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.240
Which we talked about stuff like six
weeks. Again, if you heard that,

445
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.079
you know these. But if we
hadn't known any of that, I

446
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:05.200
think both of our dog scores are
at least probably because even way about this

447
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.119
next one, I still had a
smile on my face as it was happening.

448
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:09.680
But if I didn't know about it, because I'd have been like,

449
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:13.400
they're gonna They're gonna do it.
They're gonna do it, They're gonna do

450
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:22.160
it. They had Nicolas Cage as
Superman fighting a giant spider. Long haired

451
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:28.400
Nicolas Cage in the suit that we
saw from the infamous photo fighting a gigantic

452
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.400
spider in some other dimension, some
other world. He was wearing the fruit

453
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:37.799
roll up Superman outfit with the deep
V and the mullet. Yeah. It

454
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:43.039
was very, very fun, very
satisfying, again, it would have been

455
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.440
so much more satisfying had we not
known that. This also calls into question,

456
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:50.440
and this is the same thing with
all of these except for one at

457
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.279
the end. Did you like how
they just like peek into these universes and

458
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:57.839
the characters just like oddly turned and
then nothing else happens with them. I

459
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.359
would have liked Barry running through it, maybe interacting with them for a second.

460
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:02.960
I agree. I agree because it
was a little bit of like a

461
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:08.480
I'm not gonna say a throwaway especially
look like the Christopher Reeve one and the

462
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.119
Adam West one was really weird,
just a bunch of West and like a

463
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.319
kaleidoscope type of thing. But I
don't know if I necessarily needed it in

464
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:20.079
the Cage one because he was fighting
the Spider. Yeah, no, we

465
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:23.559
got we got a bit of an
extended one with Cage. It's just I

466
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:28.960
agree with you that, like I
wanted some interaction between this universe in some

467
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.279
of those universes. Instead they just
sort of show him in the background,

468
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:35.599
which is now a little frustrated.
Do we believe that this is gonna win

469
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:40.240
the pants tent City Moment of the
Year. Uh No, No, because

470
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:45.680
as cool as it is in the
theater. I didn't get the pop that

471
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:47.559
it needed, you know what I
mean? I did, I still got

472
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:51.440
it even knew Even though I knew
it was coming, I was still like,

473
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.039
Wow, they actually did this.
Yeah, they actually did it and

474
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:57.240
showed this. Don't get me wrong. It would have been cool if,

475
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:01.400
like say, in the actual fight
they had with Zod, a giant mechanical

476
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:05.960
spider was out there and then Nick
Cage just showed up and started fighting it.

477
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:07.840
That would have been cooler. But
we still got to see this.

478
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:13.159
That's where I get a little frustrated
with, like, this movie could have

479
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.239
done a lot knowing that it's a
conclusion, or knowing that what happens in

480
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.920
here really doesn't affect stuff going forward. So I did want them to get

481
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:24.159
like crazier than they did. Multiverse
wise, bring it a fucking giant spider.

482
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:28.960
Oh my god, you know it
would been okay. So what if

483
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:32.280
during that giant fight, like Cage
shows up, Reeves shows up, Adam

484
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.639
West shows up, and then Keaton
looks right at the camera and goes,

485
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:43.159
that's nuts. I thought we were
gonna get something like that, some major

486
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.719
battle or fight like that, and
we just didn't. We do get a

487
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:52.880
somewhat cool like Flash and the Flashes
and Batman against all of Zod's like you

488
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.000
know, cronies, But I don't
know it just it just it lacked the

489
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.920
big crossover moment despite it having the
offic Batman. But once again, we

490
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:06.400
did get Cage. We did get
Cage. We also got Goo Christopher Reeves

491
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.840
in sort of just a quick glimpse. I forget who the Supergirl is in

492
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:13.079
that universe. We get hers.
Well, yeah, so she had her

493
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.599
own movie I think in eighty six
and it's yeah, that's right, known

494
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:19.119
as one of the worst movies of
all time. Yeah, it's not good.

495
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.519
We also see George Reeves briefly here
to the original Superman. I'm pretty

496
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:25.639
sure. Did we see Brandon Ralph
as well? Well? Was he serving

497
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:31.480
popcorn at the theater? We also
got the joke, guys, Brandon Ralph's

498
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:36.840
a good guy. We get a
glimpse of Adam West as Batman and then

499
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:40.679
Goo at the very end of this
movie, which was also incredibly satisfying.

500
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.880
Yeah, and I couldn't tell you
why. I think because we both want

501
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:50.599
redemption for this actor. George Clooney
shows back up as Bruce Wayne Batman in

502
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:54.679
Barry's quote unquote normal universe where he's
supposed to be, which is a great

503
00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:00.400
tie into how Barry solves his dad's
problem, right yep. And course the

504
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:04.679
line of who the fuck are you? There's a great toss in there.

505
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.320
I would have loved it. And
this doesn't take away from the scene.

506
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.639
But you know how at the beginning
of the movie, Batman or Alfred calls

507
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.639
Barry into a battle. If that
happened again, where Batman called Barry into

508
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:22.199
a battle and he goes into the
battle and it's George Clooney wearing the nipple

509
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:23.639
bat suit. Yeah, I need
to see if the nipples are there.

510
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.280
I think that would have done it
more for me. Yeah, that would

511
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.280
have been cool. I do like
though, you know, when Barry ultimately

512
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.280
learns from the big moment in this
film spoiler here obviously we're in the spoilers.

513
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.079
The villain in this is just young
Barry who's been stuck in time forever,

514
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.960
which I didn't love, but I
sort of get for Barry. And

515
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:44.679
we also knew going in. We
even said who's the bad guy? Barry?

516
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:50.880
Probably Barry. I love that the
little fix way back when so that

517
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.719
his father looks up still has a
little bit of a change in his universe.

518
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:58.920
So instead of Batfleck, now we
have George Clooney as the Batman and

519
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.960
Ezra Miller's verse in Barry Allen's universe, which I really liked. I like

520
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:06.039
that little touch on it. No
Halle Barry though, Yeah, no Halle

521
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:07.639
Berry. So what does that mean? Is she gonna be Storm again?

522
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.960
Is she coming back a storm?
I don't I don't know. Now I'm

523
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.679
so fucking confused. Also, I
mean, you didn't need to do much

524
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.960
with this, but you showed a
bunch of different worlds. Maybe you have

525
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.440
a world with some of the animated
characters, because DC has done really well

526
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:28.440
with their animated stuff. How about
a little nod to Kevin Conroy, Mark

527
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.920
Hamill, any of the Superman stuff
from the nineties now and now this is

528
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:36.519
a double spoiler warning. If you
haven't seen Across the Spider Verse, skip

529
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.320
ahead one minute. How can a
cross the Spider Verse give me the live

530
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:45.119
action Donald Crowler and then this movie
not give us those animated characters even just

531
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:50.000
a little wink to saying, like, so, Kevin Conroy, within the

532
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.519
past year has died come on,
he's dead. Yes, he's dead,

533
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:57.719
So come on, don't make fun
of him. That's what I was trying

534
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:01.039
to do. But just give him. I'm like, hey, you are

535
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:06.280
maybe the best Batman of all time. Let's put you on the big screen

536
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.280
for a second, right, a
little a little little homage. Yeah,

537
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.440
that would have made a lot of
sense. I felt like, although there

538
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:15.000
was a great point in this movie
when they're in the bat cave and he

539
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.679
has a bag of laughing teeth.
Yes, that was good. That's pretty

540
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.559
good. Yeah goo. Ultimately,
my takeaways from these cameos, and I

541
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:28.719
think yours as well. The cage
and Cluney stuff would have been fucking incredible.

542
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.239
It's awesome. Anyways, it would
be fucking incredible had we not known

543
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:35.079
about it. And also they would
have been better if they played into the

544
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.079
story a little bit more. Yeah, that's true as well. Also there

545
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:43.000
so there's a bank robbery at the
beginning, or a hospital. I don't

546
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.519
know what they're doing. There's some
kind of a highjink, some kind of

547
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.400
a virus. Yeah, so they're
still a virus at the beginning, and

548
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.239
it's just goons. I would have
loved it, and maybe they should have

549
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:59.039
either done Jared Leto's Joker or Harley
Quinn as the person that's running this,

550
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:04.079
uh theft something like that. Just
tossing another little bit of something for the

551
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.599
people to have. Yeah, again, since you know what happens to this

552
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.079
movie really doesn't mean stuff going forward, get fun there, give us a

553
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:15.159
cool character Captain Boomerang for all I
care. Yeah, someone anyone besides a

554
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:21.280
faceless bank robber or heist guy.
Good another time travel bit. I loved

555
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:22.639
in this. This was good.
Yeah, this is good. In the

556
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:27.599
Young Barry or the eighteen year Old
Berries universe, Eric stoltz is Back to

557
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.119
the Future actually came out, So
Michael Jock, Michael J. Fox never

558
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:35.400
played Marty McFly and so that ripple
effect was Michael J. Fox ended up

559
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:37.920
playing a character in another movie Loose, was okay in Footloose, and then

560
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:43.000
Kevin Bacon was in Top Gun,
and then Tom Cruise was in something as

561
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.000
well. It was it was.
It was a very funny ripple effect because

562
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.559
I really enjoyed that as well.
Good. Let's get back to the plot

563
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:52.199
of the movie here, and now
that we're talking about spoilers, Essentially,

564
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:57.239
Barry is now able to enter the
Speed Force at will, and now that

565
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:01.039
he can, he realizes he can
actually time travel, so he convinces himself

566
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:06.239
he can go back and save his
mother from dying and save his father from

567
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.679
being wrongfully accused of killing her.
That's the rough plot of this movie,

568
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:14.599
and obviously things go awry. He
gets stuck in the eighteen year old Berries

569
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.519
universe because eight year old Berry pushes
him out of the Speed Force, which

570
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:21.760
I did love. I don't even
really know if they paid that off all

571
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:30.519
that well, Oh yes, I
got lost on my page there and this

572
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:35.880
is one of the few or maybe
the only universe where his mother's actually still

573
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:42.360
alive, which motivates are Barry to
actually stay there? And I just don't

574
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:46.079
know, like maybe because we just
saw and across the Spider Verse, it

575
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:51.920
felt a little stale them or Barry
going back and trying to change these like

576
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.519
cannon level events, right, these
events that were meant to be and that

577
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:59.880
can't be going back. I've seen
a bunch of time traveling movies too,

578
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.360
Yeah, and that's part of it, so that that felt a little stale.

579
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:07.159
I don't really love that eighteen year
old Barry ends up being the villain.

580
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.320
You know, he's just trapped in
time trying to change shit. And

581
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:14.840
again that works for Barry's growth as
a character and for Barry to become the

582
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.559
best Flash he can be. I
just don't think it works for the movie

583
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.800
all that well, that makes sense, But I will say that final scene

584
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.639
with his mother in the convenience store
in the supermarket hits. It's nice.

585
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.840
Yeah, that was nice. It's
a good emotional scene. But I keep

586
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.639
thinking about this now in the you
know what are we five days or removed

587
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.679
from this movie? I keep thinking
about the promise for flashpoint level stuff in

588
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:43.320
this movie and us not getting anything
remotely like that, and the flash point

589
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.199
level stuff reboots the universe, right, This doesn't do that. It doesn't

590
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:51.960
even remotely come close to it.
And we don't really know how this character

591
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.239
is gonna play in James Gun stuff
going forward, or if it is at

592
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:58.639
all. So it's also kind of
confusing. I don't know. It just

593
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:02.400
it just feels almost inconsequential. I'm
not gonna use the word useless, but

594
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:07.320
nothing really meaningful going forward from it, and it's not even really a conclusion

595
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.239
for the last ten years of the
DCU, So we're stuck in in a

596
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.119
weird medium there. Okay, So
the thing that I hate the most in

597
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.480
this movie, like I think barn
One outside of the CGI, the CGI

598
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:22.159
really wasn't great. But one of
the things in this movie is that Barry

599
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:28.280
goes out of his way to make
sure that his younger self gets his powers,

600
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:31.880
but in the process he gets struck
by lightning again and he loses his

601
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.480
powers. So we then have half
an hour of one Barry being powerless,

602
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:42.480
but then he gets his powers back
by being struck by lightning and being hit

603
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.800
with all the acid again, as
if he's Fred Flintstone who gets amnesia from

604
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:50.400
being hitten out the frying pan and
then gets his memory back from being hit

605
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.239
in ahead of the frying pan again. Yeah, that was really flimsy.

606
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:57.920
I agree, that was Like,
we're really stretching it here, and I

607
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.400
want to be clear for the listeners
at home too. It's hard for us

608
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:05.519
too. We are kind of hyper
criticizing the movie here in part because it

609
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:07.199
was promised to be the best movie
of all time. But I want you

610
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:12.000
guys to understand as well, because
this movie was so funny and had so

611
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.880
much fun it's really bringing it up. It's more forgiving a lot of what's

612
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:19.400
wrong, Like this half an hour
fun and like there's a bunch of fun

613
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.159
stuff in this half hour, a
lot a lot of stuff that has to

614
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.400
do with Batman. But like we
have a ten to fifteen minute scene of

615
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:30.199
him getting his powers back that you
could have just cut from the movie.

616
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:36.280
Yeah, it wasn't. It just
wasn't. And they Supergirl delivers the line

617
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:38.239
that Barry delivers to her when they
save her from Russia. Like that didn't

618
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:43.480
really hit at all either. So, dude, did you care for the

619
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.039
explanation that Superman's like fighting up?
I thought you were gonna say, do

620
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:52.440
you care for Michael Keaton's outfit of
like his mechanics with like the tied off

621
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.559
kerchief when we first see him.
No, oh no, he's wearing a

622
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:59.679
kerchief whenever he's Bruce Wayne. Oh
that's true. Yeah, But speaking of

623
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:06.119
when we first get introduced reintroduced to
Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne, he's old looking,

624
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.079
he's got hair beard, and the
scene in the kitchen where he kicks

625
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:12.840
ass was awesome too. Yeah,
but it was fun to see him turn

626
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.280
from like, oh I don't want
to do any of this to wait,

627
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.559
I kinda want to have fun again
as Batman jump back into this stuff.

628
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.559
Also, I love the fact that
Barry has been, you know, working

629
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:25.599
with all this time traveling stuff.
He's been talking with the other Bruce Wayne

630
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:30.440
about it everything else, and within
a second Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne explains it

631
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:35.559
to him like, I'm smarter than
you. I know more about everything than

632
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:45.079
you. I wonder who do you
think is in play going forward in James

633
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.599
Gunns universe or universes from this movie, if anyone. So, I do

634
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.760
think this is not the last time
that we see Michael Keaton's Batman. That

635
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:57.119
is interesting that you think that.
I don't think he's ever going to get

636
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:02.199
his own solo movie again. But
I really think Beyond has to be on

637
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:07.599
the table because Terry McGinnis is also
such a fucking great character. Yeah,

638
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.800
it's true. I do think it's
gonna be hard for them to ignore how

639
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.079
popular and how much he's gonna be
liked again as Batman coming out of this.

640
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.079
But what will be tough for them
is that I'm not sure what his

641
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:22.119
quote is, but I'm pretty sure
it's like twenty five or thirty million bucks,

642
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.639
So it's a lot of fucking money. But don't you also feel like

643
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:29.079
because of the way he goes out
in this movie spoiler he dies. It

644
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.559
was his swan song, right,
so he does die. He does die

645
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:37.159
twice, Live Die, repeat.
But also that doesn't necessarily mean anything,

646
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.039
because it could just be another time
cycle. Hear me out. I think

647
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:45.840
it does mean something because it seems
like what they're setting up is Clooney to

648
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:49.719
get that redemption that you're speaking for, not Keaton doesn't really need the redemption

649
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.440
either, right every day, but
it almost feels like they're setting Clooney up

650
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:57.320
to show up again. But again
he dies and they replace Batfleck with Clooney,

651
00:45:57.559 --> 00:45:59.679
So it feels like, if we're
gonna get anyone, it's gonna be

652
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:01.559
Clue. I don't think so.
I think if we get anyone, I

653
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:06.920
think this was a nice little nod
for Clooney at the end, but I

654
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:10.519
don't think they have any plans of
Clooney ever being Batman or Bruce Wayne ever.

655
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:15.280
Again. I think that Keaton because
of the popularity in this movie once

656
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:19.239
again, and I think coming out
of it critics wise, fan wise,

657
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:24.760
one thing that everyone will agree on
is that Michael Keaton rules. Yes,

658
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:30.519
lowest common denominator here is that Michael
Keaton rules. Maybe you're right too,

659
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.679
because they probably would have showed Clooney
in a suit at the end if he

660
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.480
was again, and then once again
going forward. It can be an elseworld

661
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.760
movie. So none of this even
matters, but that I don't like that.

662
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:45.840
But I'm thinking about this, like
because you know, we criticized Multiverse

663
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.280
of Madness a lot, and rightfully
so for having a lot of the same

664
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.840
issues. But this movie is so
much more fun than that movie, you

665
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:54.559
know what I mean? Like,
it absolutely is. In spite of this

666
00:46:54.719 --> 00:47:00.400
movie's issues, I still had a
blast watching it. Agreed, So I

667
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:02.880
think that they should have saved the
you want to Get Nuts, Let's get

668
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:07.079
Nuts. They didn't need that for
the trailer, and if they had saved

669
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:09.440
that for the movie, I think
the theaters would have all erupted. Yep,

670
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:13.760
that combined with the cage and Cluney
stuff, would have been three great

671
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.079
pops had we not known about it. Good. We get one post credit

672
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:22.599
in this movie, and it's Jason
Momoa. I think it sucks. Jason

673
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:28.000
Momoa as Aquaman drinking with Barry Allen's
flash outside of his apartment at that that'll

674
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:31.960
local barroom, and it is bad. It's thanks useless, it's unnecessary.

675
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:36.159
I don't get why that this was
here. I just mentioned a second ago

676
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.480
that you want to get nuts line. There was one line in this movie

677
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:43.880
that hit for me and I'm sure
anyone that loves Batman eighty nine and it's

678
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:50.199
when Michael Keaton's Batman asked the two
Flash and Supergirl. She's unconscious at the

679
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.400
time, how much do you weigh? And that's such a great callback to

680
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:58.159
when he asked Kim Basing of that
in eighty nine. Yeah, for the

681
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.039
explosive there um cute, Correct me
if I'm wrong, If I'm wrong.

682
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:07.320
In the post credit at the end
of season one of Peacemaker, we see

683
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.679
we see Flash in Aquaman, right
is that? Yes? Well, no,

684
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:14.320
we see all of them, right, No, we see still the

685
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.239
wets of a couple others, but
we only actually see Era in Mamo.

686
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:22.159
I think, so I wonder if
Ezra, well, actually, I don't

687
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:23.360
know if he's ever gonna come back, But it's kind of hard now that

688
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:28.639
you've built this whole flashpoint paradox around
him. But it feels like Mamo is

689
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:30.119
gonna come back, right, and
we still have his movie, we still

690
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:34.840
have Aquaman two. Yeah, so
I guess I don't know. Is that

691
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.360
why they stuck him in the post
credit is actually gonna be there going forward?

692
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:42.280
As if in Aquaman two, Mamoa
looks at the camera goes, I

693
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:49.360
was Lobo all along. That would
be sick. That would be sick.

694
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.559
And then you know, someone with
blonde hair and like an orange short pops

695
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.440
up, played by Vinnie Chase,
and he's like, I'm the real Aquaman,

696
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.079
this big head. Yeah, yeah, you nailed that. He had

697
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.519
a huge hat, didn't he He
did so. I also would have liked

698
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:08.639
so Keaton in this movie his batman, it's pretty strong, stronger than Drew.

699
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:12.679
You know, your normal seventy year
old man, unless you're seventy year

700
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:16.159
old man is Michael Myers from the
Halloween franchise. I would have liked maybe

701
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:22.039
a small mention that maybe keaton suit
gave him some enhanced strength. Yeah.

702
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:28.639
That all just plays into why I
love the Baffleck character so much, because

703
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.719
they explain stuff easily. You know, you're not asking questions about why stuff

704
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:36.760
happens. And of course I'm talking
about the voice modulator most notably. But

705
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:39.480
yeah, you're right, they should
have probably talked about how this seventy year

706
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:45.000
old man is whooping ass like that. Also, I do like them.

707
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:46.679
At the end of the movie,
the way that he fixes the situation for

708
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:51.519
his father is he just puts the
cans of tomatoes on the top shelf.

709
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.280
Yeah, that's a nice subtle fix. And I that's why I think I

710
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.280
like the Cluney thing so much,
because it's a nice subtle change. On

711
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:00.320
the other end, it's it's a
good one for one there. I really

712
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.559
I really enjoyed both of those things. So once again, I don't know

713
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.599
it was I too negative. I
don't think I was too No, No,

714
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.199
most of my negativity has to do
with the flash and with CGI.

715
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:15.599
Yeah, and also you have to
consider what was being touted for this movie.

716
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:21.800
You know, you can't you can't
spend two months paying people to come

717
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.559
out and say this is one of
the greatest superhero movies of all time and

718
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:30.079
not have us going in expecting something
on that level. So when it's not

719
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.039
on that level, we're naturally inclined
to be a little more you know,

720
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.079
criticizing of it. So it just
makes sense I'll be positive to wrap this

721
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:44.960
up, okay. Michael Keaton,
Ben Affleck, m Nicolas Cage, and

722
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.360
George Clooney. George Clooney is like
a half, So three and a half

723
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:51.800
great things right there. So well, what's the mount rushmore things in the

724
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:53.000
movie? You name three, what's
the fourth? It'd be those four?

725
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:58.159
Probably? Okay, all right?
So three three Batman and Nicholas Cage.

726
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:02.840
Nicholas Cage with this fruit roll up
the super tight outfit looking off and sparking.

727
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:07.840
I want to watch and that's what
like forty five seconds? If that

728
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:13.400
it's it is brief, I want
to watch it on a loop. I

729
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:16.679
also felt like, uh, and
this is a big part of that scene.

730
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:21.639
All those scenes were the world's are
all colliding, which didn't look great

731
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:25.440
anymore, but they were all CGI
faces. Even that Cage was a CGI.

732
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.719
You couldn't have gotten Cage to come
in and stand in come on,

733
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:37.800
and he goes, I'm Nick fucking
Cage. Oh oh god. So thirty

734
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:44.559
three hot dogs, Yeah, thirty
four I feel okay with that. Yeah,

735
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.519
Max and Max. That could be
anything. It could be a boat.

736
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:59.280
Mac. Let me ask you this
question without thinking too hard. Please

737
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:05.159
rank the live action Batman's slash Bruce
Wayne. So toss him all into one

738
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.559
bin. So let's leave Kevin Conroy
out of this and let's just go with

739
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:13.880
Adam West, Michael Keaton, Kevin
Not, Kevin Conroy, Michael Keaton,

740
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:17.159
Val Kilmer, George Clooney, Christian
Bale, Ben Affleck, Robert Pattinson.

741
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:21.559
I think I'm going to be accused
of recency bias here with my answer,

742
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:23.119
but hear me out. I have
a little bit of reasoning, a little

743
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:28.199
bit of backing too. What I'm
gonna say I think still very clearly,

744
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:34.280
Ben Affleck Batfleck is the best version
of Batman we've seen. He's this big,

745
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.440
brawling Batman and we don't get that
with any of the other ones.

746
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.480
That's my preferred version of the character. And if you're going to believe,

747
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.519
at least for me, and I
made this argument before, if you're going

748
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:47.960
to believe someone as Batman, you
really need to believe that he can kick

749
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.800
of the world's ass, and a
lot of the other Batman that's not a

750
00:52:53.880 --> 00:53:00.320
believable aspect. So he's the only
version of that. Plus, I think

751
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:04.320
he's the best Bruce Wayne. I
think he's the most believable. Now,

752
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.079
Bail is close. I'll fully mit
Bill is close. He's the most believable,

753
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:10.920
as like that billionaire the Tony Start, you know, billionaire, playboy,

754
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:16.199
philanthropist. But Bail is close there. And again the simple and subtled

755
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:22.199
fixes and explaining explanations they have for
things like the voice modulator that bumps his

756
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.079
character up too. I still don't
understand why that's not the standard for the

757
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:32.239
character now, and that bumps up
Batfleck and bumps down Bail, because the

758
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:36.519
Bail stuff has been memed so many
times over at this point that it's hard

759
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:39.719
to really like him talking when he
when he's Batman, I think second,

760
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.920
because I don't think there's much bad
to say at this moment about him.

761
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:51.000
Is Battinson Robert Pattinson. You know, this version of the character is not

762
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.519
as big and brooding as Batflex,
but we do get the methodical detective type

763
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:59.760
more so than any of the other
characters, which I think differentiates him as

764
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:01.800
well. So that's pretty satisfying.
And of course he does kick a lot

765
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:06.239
of ass in that movie. I
think he lacks in the Bruce Wayne aspects

766
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.719
though, and so that's what I
keep coming back to I think bat Fleck

767
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.639
is great as both. I'm not
sure any of the other ones are,

768
00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:15.960
and so we'll get the Bail.
I don't think he's great as Batman because

769
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:19.559
of that voice. It's just fucking
it's funny. It shouldn't be and it

770
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.840
is. And then Keaton, I
don't think he's a great Bruce Wayne,

771
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:25.320
like I have a hard time believing
that ugly fuck is, you know,

772
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:30.199
this playboy philanthropist and maybe that's just
a meet thing, and so be it.

773
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:32.519
And then after that West, Kilmer
Cluney rank them how you want.

774
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:37.800
West is like kind of operating in
his own world there. I actually don't

775
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:40.039
mind Kilmer, but I can't pretend
that I love him. Clooney, I

776
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:45.079
think was definitely the worst. So
number one, Keaton's Batman got Vicky Vail,

777
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:46.840
Kim Basing or a Michelle Feiffer,
a catwoman, So you can go

778
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:51.719
ahead and suck That's why it's not
believable. You can suck it. Also,

779
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:52.960
I like how I said, without
thinking too hard, and you wrote

780
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:59.519
a goddamn versus. So at number
seven I would put George Clooney. I

781
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:01.840
think that he he is the worst
at both all the way down the line

782
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:06.760
at number six to meet Val Kilmer. I liked his Bruce Wayne enough,

783
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:09.039
I don't think his Batman was great. I would then put Adam West,

784
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:14.239
who took a very goofy role pretty
seriously and I do like that. I

785
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:16.280
would then go with Ben Affleck as
four. And this is not his fault

786
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:21.920
because I think he's great at both
Bruce Wayne and Batman, but never got

787
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:24.880
a standalone and I don't really like
or love any of his movies, so

788
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:29.360
that has to hurt him a little
bit. Christian Bale I think is the

789
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:31.760
best Bruce Wayne, but his Batman
leaves a little bit to be desired.

790
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:36.519
Robert Pattinson I think is the best
Batman, but as Bruce Wayne still needs

791
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:42.760
more time TBD on that. And
then I think Michael Keaton is just adding

792
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.719
this onto the pile. Is just
fun. He's a big, roundabout fun

793
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:52.559
Batman. He might Yeah, I
like you. You're never not gonna have

794
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.599
Keaton at once, so I can't
even really have this conversation with you if

795
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:59.599
you want to, just for the
listeners. If a Batman award goes to

796
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:05.480
Michael Keaton, if we were to
do this the way we do top tens.

797
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.079
Battenson would actually come out number one
between us because we both had him

798
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:13.320
at number two. So maybe that's
maybe he's the best one. He kicks

799
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:16.760
a bunch of ass. He's great
as Batman's. Maybe he's only he's only

800
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:22.400
gonna get better. That's that's also
too, he's the only one that actually

801
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:25.760
solves crimes and solves mysteries. Yes, yeah, he's the only detective.

802
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.360
Although, so I do like that, I want to say, starting with

803
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:34.119
Bail, because Bail did, you
know, some forensics and stuff and did

804
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:37.960
a bit of that, but affleck, the crimes weren't great, Like he

805
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.679
wasn't doing a great job with like
the detective work, but he was at

806
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:45.000
least doing some, Yes, And
then Pattinson took it to a whole new

807
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level, and Keaton was doing a
bunch in this one too. Yeah,

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I think if we get two more
Battenson movies, I think there's a chance

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we both have him number one.
Agreed, Agreed, all right, Mac,

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countdown of the sketches. Yeah.
We also get trivia next week. Oh

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shit, we do Yeah, Oh, trivia next week for nineties Tunes,

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Nineties Cartoons, WB Fox, Kids, Disney Afternoons, Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon.

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There's a bunch in there, babe, yeaha baba yes. Also earlier

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I mentioned the movie BlackBerry that is
starring Glenn Howarden and Jay Barrett Shout.

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I would recommend it. Check it
out where wherever you can find And you're

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a noted uh Jay Barshaw hater.
I'm not a big fan of Jay barreshall,

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but I am a big fan of
Glenn Howard and and he is great.

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What's the Tarrant Edgerton movie. I
thought he was in that movie Tetris,

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oh, which I still need to
say. That's right, that's right,

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that's right. But go and check
those out. So I guess that's

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it for us. Yeah, see
you on the other side. Tuesdays or

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Goose Days. I abuse kangaroos.
By now it's time for girls jumping on

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trampolines. Please flip the cassette over
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