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Sean? How's it going pretty good? Mike? I had Bivlon day today.
A bunch of personal stuff happened, Like, yeah, you ever go
water heater changed out? Because, let me tell you, that is a
bit of an ordeal. How Yeah. If nothing else, just going without
hot water for a while really sucks. But I would be misserable. I'm
just talking on the dump trick today about how much of love my showers,
and mostly it's because, like you know, it's all warm, it's like
a little sauna in there. It's relax It's like my big I need to
relax moves. I'm just gonna actually take a hot shower. Yeah, I'm
with you there. I'll only take in a nice hot shower at the end
of the day is usually when I do it. Yeah, No, I
understand. It's just it's been hot here in general today, though pretty very
muggy outside right now. I think it's one of our rare nineties degree days
we've had here so far. So I've been trying to go on walks instead
of napping after work like I sometimes tend to do. So if I just
kind of forced myself to walk, that'll kind of wake me up. Anyways,
it's a little rough today with all that sun. I could probably use
a little bit of sun. Anyways, I'm so gosh darn pale for an
Italian. Yeah, but we got plenty of news to talk about today,
starting with Sony has announced that Placeation five cells have reached forty million yea in
about three years now, actually about too much slower than places Should four hit
that mark. But with the production problems that they have places Should five,
with the pandemic and everything, I think the still tracks very well for them.
I think there's no reason to be anything but optimistic about how PlayStation five
is doing. Yeah, that's that feels crazy to me that they would that
they're only slightly behind the PS four, which was already a huge success,
and then they had like basically like two years there if you just couldn't get
a PS five trendy of where it was. But me and Jeff I've talked
about this before of like how easy is it for you to walk into a
store and get a PS five? Yes, that for the longest time,
do you could not get one near me? And now they're in stock everywhere
and just walking too, even Walmart and grab one. But considering that they
had those issues for so long, Yeah, these numbers are like really good.
So it almost honestly a little surprising because you guys have talked about on
the show recently, like, uh, the PS five being a little underwhelming
both of the consoles before anyone gets both the consoles, not in every way,
but maybe just in terms of some of the power output work. Yeah,
and in terms of like exclusives and stuff because games are getting you know,
they take longer and make so like while you playing any new PS five,
Yeah, a lot of third party stuff that maybe you could play elsewhere.
So it's yeah, but the casual audience still sticks their consoles and they
seem to be sticking in PS five for sure, right, And of course
this means that that here also now forty million copies of Astro's play Room out
in the worlds PS five game attach rate, well, they were like there
was like a list of the most popular PlayStation five games, like as voted
on by players attached the Sony's Little Block post about this that was like thirty
games, so that doesn't tell you much. But Astro was on there.
I think the Teachings Revenge was on there, along with some five Nights at
Freddie Game right, and like just every like first party PlayStation game was on
there. Of course that makes sense. Yeah, I do you know,
of course, whatever the Xbox series consoles are at, it's probably not forty
million. I do wonder where it is, and they don't say anymore.
I'd assume. I assume they're doing better than the one, which, you
know, the one picked up a little bit there towards the end. But
I mean we've said before you don't need an Xbox console anymore, and they're
okay with that. So the numbers are not going to be as strong as
the competition where you kind of only can play them on the console. I'm
so a little weirded out about their whole And this was like the language that
Phil Spencer was talking about on you know, the Giant Bomb at Night Couch
with Jeff. I was almost a little not weird out, maybe a little
weird about surprised, but kind of almost how nonchalantly he's like, yeah,
the console market, Yeah, you know, we lost that one, you
know, so if we have to kind of looked at PC and other things.
I'm not saying that they're giving up on consoles, and of course he's
not really meaning that either, and yet it almost feels a little bit like,
yeah, I'm like, well, I guess my big fear here.
Maybe not fear is not the word, but it'll be interesting and maybe disastrous
if there is a places in five pro, which is looking more and more
likely all the time. There is a fresh bout of rumors over the last
week, and there isn't an equivalent from Xbox, right what an f xbook
just says if you want to pro go get a PC or something, that's
gonna be weird. I guess it would. But at the same time,
they do have that scalability and the people who really want the power but are
also only buying consoles. That's like not a huge crossover, I feel,
at least anytime you anytime you know, data does get released on all that.
Like basically it is like, you know the PC players who want the
highest of high end, and then you know the tech enthusiasts in the casual
market who are buying the super high enco So I think the series ACX is
still at a perfectly fine place for now. We'll see if the five Pro
does end up being a thing, we'll see how big of a gap that
is. Because maybe it's just like the PS four Pro was and it's just
a really good upscaler of existing PS five tech And so if that's the case,
well then I really need to rush on and get it. And then
you know, it doesn't look like there's a huge discrepancy between the consoles.
So but I guess, you know, just for me, if if you
have a PlayStation five Pro, if it is just doing things like running four
K games at a nice sixty fps, or we've been running like games in
like the not four K and in what's supposed to be the frame right road
mode at a steady sixty fps, and suddenly you get comparisons like from Digital
found You where here's you know, this game sixty fps on plays five Pro,
and here's the best Xbox console we have right now, and it's it's
really unsteady. Right now. This is a speculating on if there isn't some
kind of upgrade from Xbox, and they're very well could be. We're just
not hearing those rumblings as much right now, and you kind of like take
that in with like, you know, just sort of this the emphasizing of
the console market we've been hearing from and you know, not to make it
too much PlayStation versus Xbox, but just to jump off something you were saying.
I think it's totally fine the way Phil did talk about and is positioning
everything, because I think they are just forward looking over at Microsoft, because
they're like, the consoles get so big as a whole, and so we
want a bigger market, we do have to start looking elsewhere. And I
know some people see it as sort of getting out of consoles or not caring
as much about the decade console. But I think it's important to note that,
you know, looking looking at Xbox as an eco system seems to be
something that is going to be working for them in the long run, and
so I don't think it's necessarily gloom and doom on that front. I think
I think every company is doing their own thing right now. I think even
if there's varying levels of success and then your term, I think in the
long term, they're all they all had their place right now, all right.
Next up, here. Nintendo has released the Legend of Zelda, Oracle
of Ages, and Oracle of Seasons on NFL. These are game Boy game
Boy Color games. We knew these were coming, but they did get dropped
somewhat suddenly yesterday. They're on there right now. Kind of the first thing
here is that so Jeff said, he said this on nintendogs a couple weeks
ago, he heard that something else was happening with Zelda first switch that was
not Tis of the Kingdom related. If somebody even asked on Tuesday, could
this just be Oracles of Ages of workal Seasons, and Jeff said maybe.
Literally, all I know is what I'm telling you, something Zoda related that's
not Tires of the Kingdom. And then literally the next day this did happen.
So you know, Jeff would would say the same thing if he was
here. This might just be all that person was alluding to. So that
to Jeff, this might be it. Everybody, So like, you know,
don't get your hopes up for the wind Waker or Troilet Princess. And
he himself said on Twitter when someone asked him like about this after the news
broke, he was like, I literally said, I don't know, and
I mean, I don't know, so maybe this was just at so maybe
it's spotted. We don't know. Really here is actually at least and it
certainly does match up with like, you know, people telling him, Hey,
you know they told him by the end of the year. This is
a lot sooner than even that, So this might maybe this is all we're
getting zodaweise. Who knows, But either way, I really like these games.
I think that these are both a ton of fun. I think it's
really neat how they kind of combine into one super game. Right, look,
eat your heart out, uh sega, these are good stuff. If
you are you are you more of an Ages guy or more of a Seasons
guy. I think I like Seasons a little bit more. I'm kind of
interested to play them again. I mean when I played them, I play
him back to back, right, So it does almost kind of like I
think the season's gimmick is more interesting in distinct there are other Zoda games where
you kind of like change time and that's how the world changes, right.
The season thing is inherently more interesting to me, but it is almost kind
of a package deal to me. I just kind of think of it almost
as a whole. Yeah, I remember back in the day I played both
because I got n for cheap, like after they had been old for a
little bit, And I don't know why, I remember liking Ages more and
I haven't played them since. Is Ages the more puzzly one, and forget
about I'd know one's supposed to be more combat and one of those more puzzles.
But like people say that, I wouldn't like get so distracted by that.
I mean it's still the same, Like they still have the same amount
of dungeons and stuff. It's not like one's a Mooso game or something,
right, Still pretty similar. One might lean slightly more puzzly than the other
one, But if you weren't, if that wasn't drilled into people, people
may not even necessarily have picked up on that. There's the animal companions though,
that's for real. So they took a cue from Kirby with that,
so that's good. Yeah, Ages is supposed to be the puzzle focus one,
says the nick ge the combast focus one. Yeah, that's right,
because Seasons does have a lot of Zelda one bosses in it. I remember
that, and that's pretty neat. I think that's fun so yeah, I'm
excited to play these again at some point. There's a lot to play right
now. Still, it's a rough time to release two Zelda games. Yeah.
I see some people kind of despairing because maybe this means we are less
likely to get remakes of these games in that Leaks Awakening style, And I
think that might be right. I don't know if that was ever really on
the table though, I just don't know. I think I think this might
be a good time to say I did not care for that Links Awakening remake.
I surprised how many people because, like Jeff wasn't super crazy about it.
I liked it. I guess I don't find it super essential. I
could just play the original whenever I want. Yeah, it was weird because
it was well executed, I feel, but like the art style wasn't something
that I was into. The like very lego, like the classic toy.
I liked the art style. Fine, I guess that's all it kind of
comes down to. I mean, that's really it's basically it's different that and
the nice thing is being able to map more items to the buttons, because
that is annoying with these game Boy games. You have two slots, and
one of them is for your swords, so you can even swap that out,
so you're pushing pause and swapping items around a lot. You kind of
do get over it, though, but I think a lot of people overlooked
these games for a Zelda game. Anyways, at the time, they were
very late game Boy games. Game Boy Advance was basically on the horizon,
and like, you know, you look at them, and they did look
like Links Awakening, which at that point was almost an ancient game, right,
it was like eight years old or something, So you know, I
could see a lot of people maybe missed out on these. Um, if
you ask a lot of people what's the Zoo game you haven't played, they
could probably list these. They should go and play them. I think that
they are a lot of fun beef hammers making me laugh. It has color
in it, of course, Jef thinks the stress pick on someone who's not
here. Jeff's soul the remake thing, I almost I can kind of understand
where it's coming from. It baffles me that doesn't even like d X for
le so like, and he doesn't even like just adding color to it.
I get what he's trying to say. He's trying to say he doesn't like
the garishness of game Boy games that got convert to game Boy Color games.
I get it, I don't agree with it. I will say, how
much angle looks fine, It's it's a big color. What do you want?
You know? Like, I don't know. I like DX a lot.
So do you like the Oracle games more than the Minish Cap because I'm
so probably mostly like I probably put mish Cap even though I think the games.
These games break a better pace, they don't have some of that slow
down and talk to you constantly problems that especially the beginning of Minish Cap.
Hass these are like the related because this is also the Capcom people making these,
right. I said before that I'm not a big Zelda guy in general,
but really that's like I'm not big three D Zelda guy. I do
really like two D Zelda, and I actually think like the Oracle games a
little bit more because they do feel like that old school two D Zelda of
um, you know, Link to the Past and Links Awakening and seven Storre
of that lineage, whereas Menis Cap felt like too much of a departure from
me. And that's why that's why I didn't like some of them. I
guess definitely was sort of taking more in from the three d Zelda games than
definitely even than this was right right. There's probably a little ak arena in
here, obviously of ages, but still mostly kind of feels like descended from
the original Zelda, right all right. Next up here this is from my
GM, but Barter's Gate three developer Larry and will definitely make a Divinity Original
sinse sequel, but not before taking a break. Larry and Boss Swin of
vin Vinky Vincy. I'm sorry, I'm not sure, said IgM. Divinity
Original Sin is our own university built, so we're definitely gonna get back there
at some point. We'll get back there at some point, but we're going
to finish this one three now then take a break because we will need to
refresh ourselves creative. We also, you're seeing FOURGET developers putting their four hundred
developers, putting their heart and souls into this, getting the best of them
and they're craft in this game. So I can tell you it's quite a
thing. Um, I think this is good to hear, maybe not shocking,
but DAVIDI Original Sin two, I know is a very well received game.
I played a good bit of it. I really liked it, and
never quite got around to getting as far as as I like because something always
comes along and distracts me. And they did have build a pretty interesting world
of their own. I think it makes a ton of sense for them to
jump at the opportunity to make a bolder Skate three. I think that's going
to reach an even bigger audience than DAVIDI Original Sin did. But it is
nice to hear them basically saying like, yeah, we're going to do Original
Sin three next. Yeah, that's nice. I'm I'm not a huge fan
of like the more D and D style RPGs or so weird me. These
are called what aarpgs? Right? An RPG? This is CRPG? Does
it cr you see the RPGs have done. We've had this discussion on all
the episodes, but it's these prefixes are dumb. Anyways. Yeah, the
but aarpds and CRPGs, the more you know, pointing click with a mouse
style isometric RPG. I've never been my thing really either of them, and
so I don't know how much say of this other than I know that people
do like Divinity, so I'm happy to see that they're doing more of it,
because so it's always good when devs get to do stuff with their with
their own ips rather than just relying on pre existing ones. Right, yeah,
no exactly, And they did a good job building that up. Like
Divinity Original Sin one seemed like this kind of surprise hit, and then their
Vinity Original Sin two, there was like a big revival of these style of
RPGs, and I think Divinity Original Sin two is still kind of brought up
as the best of them, with you know, your Pillars of Eternity and
you know what, like all that stuff that was happening around then. I
hear that one kind of brought up the most. So I think Divinity Original
Sin two is my most started game. I started constantly starting a start on
my Steam deck. I started, came out, I started the console version,
and always like it and then always just kind of fall off. Unfortunately.
My problem is it's kind of my problem with all of those games,
even the original Boarders game. I like the role playing quite a bit,
actually, like walking around and like having my talking modifiers. I find the
combat in them a little impenetrable sometimes. All right, next appear from VGC.
Pickman four's first week sales in Japan were more than those of the first
three Pickman games combined, but Mitsuo published the physical game sales chart for the
week ending July twenty third, and Pickman four is that number one, with
about a little over four hundred thousand copies sold. By comparison based on archive
for MIT two information, the first Pickman was a little bit over a one
hundred thousand, and its first week Pickman two a little bit over one hundred
and sixty thousand, Pickman three a bit over ninety thousand, just the original
Pickman three. And it's interesting here is that this only counts physical sales,
right, so Pickman four, um like probably actually did a good bit better
than four hundred thousand. I'm actually not sure Japan how much that split is
between digital and physical over there. So this is both great news and also
not too surprising. There are so many more people that have switches at this
point than who ever had action. Yeah, yeah, big big switch.
This is kind of like the switch effects. I wanted METROI to get and
got a little bit of that, but it seems like Pickman four is getting
it in a pretty big way. I mean, I see some people say,
like, oh wow, Pickman four, you know, is doing better
than Base sixteen, but again a lot more switches than PlayStation five Japan,
definitely right. But this is good news. I see people seem really happy
with Pickman four. I hear mostly good things. I hear, like from
the grape mind, some people think it's a little easy. I don't even
know how much of that is the complaint. I am generally just seeing people
really enjoying it. That's good. I'm not a Pickman guy, as me
and aj established on Nintendogs, neither of us big Pickman fans. But Pickman
is an interesting one because it is like, you know, the like the
more cute ce art style and everything they do try to go for that more
family friendly approach for a for for rt s, I guess game kind of
ish. So it's kind of it's kind of impressive that they managed to like
mainline, mainstream, mainstream that at all. So I'm you know, I'm
happy for the Pickman purves. You know what, Jeff Broad you got yours
at a boy? Yeah, MP, there it is. It's the Pickman.
People are almost like Jeff's like shocked. People actually do care about Pickman
because sometimes it could feel so much like he's the only one who likes it,
But there are a lot of people who do or who at least show
up for it. I have like Nintendo assid Nintendo fans do at the very
least, right, Yeah, exactly, And I've not been a Pickman person,
but I become Pickman cure. I played the demo for four and did
enjoy it. I do want to play more of it. I'm surprised how
kind of relatively long this one seems. Uh, you know, like the
original Pickmen people could supposedly beat in like nine hours. I think this one
is probably closer to thirty hours. It sounds like, so it's a media
game for Pickman. Next up your CD project read plans to layoff around one
hundred staff, which is about to nine percent of its team. That's nine
about nine I realized they had gotten that big, right. So this is
an organizational update message posted on the studios site. The CEO there, Adam
Kasynski, stated that the company was to have teams that are more agile and
more effective, and that after analyzing the teams in the company, the decision
has been made that some are no longer needed h Man. In the worst
case, this reads to me like those weird people who are like on mush
Fire half of her stoff and everything's fine. Kind of downsizing, which is
incredibly problematic. But I don't know, Like CD Project Red is a studio
that really hired up at their which or three was this giant hit, so
you know, it's it's not hard for me to believe that they were maybe
overstaffed. Still though, that's a lot of layoffs. That's pretty shitty.
Yeah, that's always shitty when we have to like see this, see you
see a bunch of people get their jobs like kind of toss away because someone
didn't plan this out properly. It's just it's always I always hate hearing about
this. I always hate cmbons social media, like everyone talking about like,
well, I know I got laid off today. It always hurts um.
I don't know, I just yeah, like I said at the top,
it's really wild to me that CD Project got this big because like they I
had aspirations of being the next rock star when Wild yeah, wild Hunt did
well and right, I mean you had they had Gwentz happening right then.
They were really really high on cyberpunkin they had clearly high. Clearly they got
you know what the term would be cocky with Cyberpunk, because you know they
did not stick that landing. It's gotten better now, it looks right,
and people are really excited for that expansion, right, And that's what this
is kind of shitty because and everyone who's played down, everyone who's played is
saying like, yeah, this is what the game should have been when launch.
It's like, yeah, who I thought, like two issuears of development
later, it's finally what it should have been. So yeah, something something's
up there with management. That's that's what it looks like to me, between
that and this and everything's going on over there. And I mean, gosh,
you have to wonder what's going on with the next Witcher because expectations for
that are going to be really high, and I can see a world where
that's like becomes the mass effect and drama of that. Seriously, you don't
want that. But you know, you had like this trilogy and it like
wrapped up in this satisfying way, and now here's the next one. Anyways,
because of course there has to be a next one, Like the Witcher
is just in a precarious place as a franchise, so they got to be
really careful with that. All right, we actually it's nice we have here.
There's a bunch of fighting game community news this right, yes, start
starting with the one I find most exciting. Nikolillion All Star Brawl Too was
announced this Yeah, it's gonna have some new characters, including split Word and
Jimmy Neutron. Shocked, Jimmy Neutron wasn't in the original his Okay, this
wasn't a joke, right, because I haven't been following this. His dad
made it in, but he didn't. Yes, that's right, Yeah,
his dad was in the that's right. I remember that end because Dad was
a bit of a meme. These fighting games love the memes, like like
they had Shaggy and Multi Versus is like a cover character and it was all
that ultra instinct shaggy stuff or whatever it is. I mean, that was
dope. I don't sanction it is, but I feel like then that that
killed the joke though, right, like it's uh oh it did. Yeah,
yeah, once like the company starts acknowledging it. That's what that Chip
Pokemon episode of Pokemon Once your parents like chipp Pokemon once your parents were on
Facebook, we all we all act. Yeah, exactly. Um, there's
also some nice graphical improvements. I love to show the graphical improvements. They
would actually like showed the old April O'Neil model, you know I feel about
April, and then they showed like the new one. Big improvement, very
big improvement. They didn't he didn't just improve it. They like it looks
like they remade it. Like this is like when when I saw that that
was too When I was watching, I was like, I mean, this
is just Nick All Stars, isn't it. And then you know they showed
the Cybis I'm oh no, they basically did remake everything. It is.
It's more than like, you know, a super stree Fighter game. It
is it is a sequel, even if you know a lot of stuff is
like obviously not in terms of scale, but it seems like it's almost like
a smash for to smash ultimate thing where they are building on the base,
but everything is improved. Cool right, And the original was really criticized for
not having voice acting. They later added it and kind of an update,
this one will have that from the start, which I think is going to
help it seemed like a more premium product from the beginning. It's coming out
for just about everything. It's going to have some new single player stuff.
I thought there's promise. With the first All Star Brawl, it kind of
felt like even they were surprised that it caught on as much as it did
and it didn't have the budget to really match us expectations, and maybe this
time they can. So I am hopeful. Here next one, Brand Blue
Fantasy Versus Rising is getting rid of penalties for using simple inputs. Sean,
what does this mean? Yeah, this is one of the two that I
add here, So it's exactly what sounded like if you weren't aware gram Blue
Fantasy Versus the existing game Rising is the like, well, Rising is like
the All Star Brawl too, that's coming out yeah shortly here where it will
have upgrade graphics and new gameplay mccas and YadA, YadA, YadA. What
they're doing is something that like kind of took off on Twitter. In the
FTC, the director said that they are. The way it worked in the
first one was you would have cool downs for all your moves if you did
the simple input version of them, so you know, like sort of modern
control stuff and three Fire six to give people context there. But just like
you know in three Fire six you do twenty percent last damage if you choose
do modern controls and grant blue Fantasy versus Rising. They're just getting rid of
any kind of penalties for doing simple inputs. They can even they're even ging
the option of turning off as they're calling it technical inputs, so you know,
like quarter circles and z motions and stuff. They're even giving the option
to strap turn those off so you don't like accidentally get them, so that
way everything will be smash inputs like you know, forward in attacks, backwards
all, you know, that kind of thing. So I wanted to bring
this up with you because this will get into the topic of the show at
the end here. But you being we're both like fighting game enthusiasts, Like
you're on the more casual side. I'm more yeah, competitive enthusiast, but
we're both like sort of in the middle of the two. Like I'm the
mat Nick muscles in in your the I'm the Max yeah there, yeah,
yeah. So I'm wondering what you think of this of making just simple inputs
not just you know, as good, but making them basically the default.
What do you think about this? I don't. I always say the one
thing I like about fighting games is how transferable a lot of the skills are
from one game to another. And I think that's a nice thing about what
you would call classic controls. And like a street Fighter is, if you
learn to play Street Fighters six with classic controls, you could basically take that
and you will know how to play, you know, like like a King
of Fighters or previous street Fighters, Old street Fighters or Feature street Fighters,
things like that. Yeah, I think that's my one thing. I don't
ultimately care if people want to do simpler controls, simpler inputs. I mean
I do get it. I mean it's still something of the hot topic even
for Street Fighters six, right, there are still some people who aren't happy
about modern controls, don't think they should be allowed in rank stuff, but
at least an option in six, whereas in here, you know they're like
they're the old inputs are going to be in there, but they're basically making
it so that if you're not doing the simple inputs, you're kind of like
messing up, because it's like, why not just do the thing that's easier
to use? Do you think they feel better kind of being experimental with this
in Grand Blue Fantasy Overduc not that's like Guilty Gear Dragon. That's basically what
they said, without saying explicitly. They were like, um, I wouldn't
have it pulled up here. It's a very long Twitter posting go find if
you want to, But paraphrasing here, the director was like, and we
feel that this is the right game to try this bold new approach. So
they're basically saying, like, we all want to try this in Guilty Gear.
Maybe we don't even want to try this in Blaze Blue, but Grand
Blue, where there's a lot of casuals coming from like the mobile game and
our thing, maybe this is a good place to try to set what are
we getting a new Blaze Blue? Like they haven't actually done Blaze Blue Slash
Blaze Blue, I never even so it's like the newer like Dragon Ball Fighters
style engine. Right, we don't really know what, like are exist is
up to outside of Graham Blue Fantasy versus Rising what a mouthful? We all
really know what they're up to outside of updating existing games. So maybe at
EVO next weekend we might might hear what's next from them because the last one
was a Blaze Blue Cross Tag Battle, the one that was the Big Cross
and that was still like the pick the old pixel or stuff. That wasn't
like I mean it was another game. Yeah, that was like twenty eighteen
or song. So it's been a while, so I will say it's probably
more likely that the next team is just fighters to huh like dragon Ball again,
because that that probably was their most financially successful finding game. I am
minded. I am still holding out hope that we get a Persona five arena
from them. It'd be so cool. That'll be so cool. They yeah,
we need It's just yeah, they brought back for they Yeah they need
to do five. Come on, Ryan, do do that in that engine
so I can kick but with GA again. I liked how that kind of
did quote unquote simple controls where every character had kind of one mash combo and
it like did okay damage. It would even use a superbar if you had
one. I thought that was a pretty nice We've been doing it for a
while because Guilty Gear has had that as well. For while. It's like
all the Arts System games to me, like they're big problems, less so
than the it pots is this that there's always some kind of like there's two
meter systems and there's a zillion things you can do with the meters, and
it's always a bit so I use your double trick X cross thing to increase
your defense by ten percent. That is why they tone things down a lot
and Strive and that's why, Hey, um, I don't have any elegant
way to put this in. But you know, a while back now,
as is two weeks ago or something, the EVO player numbers came out and
Street Fighters six seven thousand competitors, which is nuts. But Guilty Gear Strive
still going strong and almost twenty five hundreds. So like clearly mainstreaming things and
simplifying things, it worked. They got more people in. Like I like
Guilty Gear fine. I somehow just never even touched Drive. I think the
timing just kind of was weird. Hey, it's on game pass and everything,
so you want to dip your toes there you go. Uh, But
you know, once once we have blast Bloom, you know, my girl
no elver millions back, I'll be in there for sure. You better have
her part, you know. And berets, you know, I like beret
characters Okay, Project L. We got an update on that. This is
the fighting game from Riot that has kind of been in the works forever.
We see. Seems like we got more info and more screen time on this
we've had in a long time. Run it by me, Sean all right,
So the main points here are as we knew already, a Project L
is a tag fighting game, so like Marvel versus Capcom, what we thought
would be the case, but we didn't know for sure. It has been
confirmed with this latest news dump. There is a duo's mode, so you
know, like duos in your in your mobiles like Legal Legends. They're doing
it where you can sit down with a friend you know, on your couch
or online or whatever, and you can each play one of the two characters
on your team, which I think is really cool. Other games have done
this like Street Fire, acrosstechn and Moral Combat nine I've both done this.
It's a very cool mode, like to just it's another way to like get
your friends involved in a way that isn't just like you know, hey,
learn this fighting game and then we'll play. Because with this you can like
carry your buddy a little bit you want. You can't carry me exactly.
Yeah, being you can handline and the funny thing is they confirmed you can
even do two v ones. So like maybe you know, two newcomers come
in and they want to like play together because that way maybe they'll have a
little synergy there, and then you know, the expert of the group plays
by themselves, and you know, maybe they'll be yea, chrisy you shut
the hell up. I mean that that would make sense for like couch stuff
and like you know, for casual competitive mode. I imagine a person controlling
both characters is just gonna have an easier time doing combos with the tags and
stuff like probably it would be an advantage, but still it's neat. I
mean, I do like in fighting games, especially as somebody who played overwatched
a while and got very frustrated and how often like I felt like I was
losing or something was happening because of the team, whether it was sure or
not. In a fighting game, I know it's me and it's just me.
It's fine, So you're going to lose a little bit of that if
you have a tag partner. All the FCC heads were joking on Twitter like
this, this is gonna be the most mainstream fighting game ever, because they
brought the one thing that fighting is have always been missing. Blaming your friend
exactly so, but at least if it's my friend that's fun, I wouldn't
be interested in this. If it's like you get paired up with a RANDO
for that, I think you will just do like you know, one versus
one normal tag rules, but I think that's same. I'm kind of excited
for this just because you know, I played a little bit of Legal Legends
what probably eight years ago now, I remember, and I liked the game.
I liked the characters a lot. I just didn't want to play a
MOBI for very long. But they've always have had fun characters, So I'm
really excited that, like a fighting game is going to give me a way
to inter act and play with those characters and not make me play a mobile.
Definitely. Um. We did get a little more info on it,
speaking of like we mentioned tagging a lot the fuse system, so Mike,
you'll be kindfamiliar with this. It's like S and CVS grooves, so you'll
be able to like sort of choose how how your character characters go into battle.
I forget the exact details out them, but some of them are like
they have this thing called handshake tagging, which is a like Marvel versus cap
of Infinite thing that they took where when you tag in the character, you
can switch to that character as well. And like one of the fuses that
you can choose is U double handshake tagging. They call it double down,
I believe, So you can, like you can be fighting and then you
tag in the our person and you like set up a combo with them or
something like that, and then if you have this fuse active, you can
tag back to the other character, so you can swap between the two characters.
Like it's yeah then, uh sounding spicy. There's some other ones,
like there's one that's like a comeback mechanic, and so it seems like basically
the fuse will be your way to sort of add maybe a mechanic of another
fight right into here and sort of make your you know, make your echo
and are more unique than like your friend who plays the same characters or something
like that. So that's kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, And then
the last little bit here which pertains to me, I'm very excited. There
will be a demo at EVO, and this is going to be the first
time that the public gets to play this game. So I'm very excited because
I'm going to EVO and I'm gonna be trying this out and Taken eight and
MK one and all these games excited about You're gonna get to play it too.
It's all good. Yeah, I'll get to play it for like one
match at you standing in line for an hour. Yeah, it's gonna be
real fun, man. I remember, like god, very early on a
games beat, I covered that the fighting game from the company that Riot bought
to make Project Oh is like something with rising Thunder, Rising Thunder and like
the whole thing there was kind of using cool down special moves and simpler inputs
for it instead of quarter circles and things like that. Like that was the
impass, and clearly a lot of that is going into this game now because
they I guess I didn't put this in there, they did confirm that the
uh, well, I think they talked about in the past, but the
controller layout is going to be like the simple inputs that we mentioned earlier,
pressing like a direction plus special rier than doing like quarter circles and stuff.
So they're definitely trying to get more people in and I guess that sort of
plays in the topic we were just talking about that. It does seem to
be the way going forward to get people trend. Yeah, it may make
make inputs simple, but had there been a lot mechanical that they know on
I'm here for it. If it gets more people playing, that's that's what
we need. Yeah, why not? All right, that's it for the
news. I got a few super chats here to go through. The Rachi
says, shout out to Turbos Sean, Hey, that's you, thank you.
Yeah. Oh, grug here says thanks for the TV Talk sex record
dations on Tuesday. Mike and Turbo shot. Mike looks less like a boomer
on the lg C three. Well that's good. Oh you got that?
You got the LGC three. Very nice. Yeah, I've had I've had
my us. It's over on the other side of the room, my LGB
eight for a very long time. Now. That was, um god,
because what they're on three, So I means, yeah, this is like
the five year old model. At this point, I don't think I could
tell you what my what model my TV is right now, I'm not sure
what company is it. I don't even know I got I got this visios
and the corner I'm going to buy a TV. I think about that and
like I look and I asked people, like what TV should I get?
Like I care? Then once I get it, Oh who cares? I
have the TV? Now? You know what that tells me, Mike,
You know what it tells me. You didn't buy a good one. You
totally be bragging like, yeah, I got c I mean I bought it,
okay one, but I bought it, uh like what five years?
And I'm at this point now where I'm like, I do so little gaming
in the living room. That's not something I'm gonna spend Monday on TV.
I'll spend it on GameCube games instead. That's why not. JD Camp says,
have you done a nineties Disney show on the Dinosaurs? No? JD
Camp, But me and my brothers love that show. Sean. You are
poor, precious little Sean. I don't know if you ever saw the hit
ABC sitcom Dinosaurs with Baby Sinclairio not the Mama. I saw what the final
episode right and then always circulates as a meme and like that that's something.
But I saw it. I saw it in some social studies or history classes
because the teacher just liked the show is like here ice age, all right,
let's go. It is like the ending is bananas, but it is
in ancredible show. It tackled like very serious topics like sexual harassment and drugs
and like environmental crises and like ages. Was that like late eighties or oh
this is this is nineties? Probably early to mid nineties. I'm thinking kind
of yeah, it is, uh, and it's done with these gorgeous Jim
Henson puppet suits that still look kind of amazing day incredible prop work and things
like that. JD. Camps is nineteen ninety one is when it started.
I think it's still just a really really fun, goofy show. Then there's
something kind of timeless about it because of like all the funny costumes and stuff,
like, you know, it is kind of interesting how the quality of
a puppet can really sell. You know, if you look at the old
TMNT movies, they had different costumes for each one, and going from the
originals, which were extremely emotive and everything, to two, which was like
kind of a step down there, to three. I mean, I'm a
ever two, but yes, my three. It wasn't Jim Henson anymore?
Is the problem? Yeah? So it was just like rubber ship can suits
shit in the shape of a turtle? Basically awful. Yeah, three is
bad? Uh, I thought too. No, I'm curious. I'm want
to compare one to two because in my mind they were the same. But
you might be right. I think I think they were different. They were
like a slight step down by that might be misremembering. Yeah, but it
was still Jim Hanson and Jim Hanson also did the Dinosaurs show, which is
why they are so good. Um yeah, Jady Camp, We're gonna do
that episode. I'm surprised we haven't yet, because again, all the Minaughties
love that show. Chris says, do you guys think Sonny could bring back
PlayStation All Stars Battle Roy out? Now? The Placestation brain is writing so
much higher than in the Placetation three era. I don't think they should.
I think they should try. How much did a PlayStation All starts Battle roy
our customer, for one thing, come up with a better name this time?
That'll help to just call it PlayStation All Stars? And you got it,
but you didn't mean. I don't know, so weird that was,
and now it's just a meme because you know, I was just like,
well a Battle Royal, like they made that so many years before Pug,
Like that's such a fun game and they're not. I worry because they do
it now. I think it actually would be more of a Smash clone.
And I liked it's weird, like you can only kill people with special moves
thing. It was so it was here's the problem with that. Here's the
problem with that. You could only kill with super moves. And that's why
it sucked is because if you spend your super it's like, well great,
now I can't win the game, and that's just dumb. I liked it,
though, so weird now this is goofy. It was really incredibly unbalanced
because some people just had way better supers. I killed Moore people exactly,
Oh for sure, absolutely. But there was something about it I thought was
really fun. There's something there they could try it. They added Cat My
Girl Cat as Dealco from Gravity Russian. That made me happy. I had
a good roster. I I wish they could just remaster it or make it
leave in the Bass version available places. In five. I thought that game
was really underrated, kind of had a bit of a what do you people
want thing? When people were so down on that. I thought that game
was a lot of fun. Sweet Tooth Senate, I think he's actually just
called sweet tooth even never one these days loves to be like well actually not
just a car's name. Yeah, I didn't know about that until they like
brought up on the BombCast or whatever. I was like, I don't belie,
what the sweets the car? That's so dumb, like cast Cutter saying
Tombo was planned for place and all started. It was apparently going to be
the next dealc That makes me sad. But yeah, there's so many people
that they would obviously add now um like Astro, like alloy Gin probably add
um. They couldn't work out that deal for Crash anymore. No, yeah,
you're right, the yeah that chip sailed. I was shocked they didn't
get him less than Yeah, that's not gonna happen. Yeah, they'll probably
throw window blawing Cade six just anoy Christian and they confirmed to me that people
didn't in fact like him a trace. Thank you, Chris, I forgot
the name for great TSA's son. Boy boy, you can you can have
a return o girl in there? Why not? I guess sure, why
not? I hope so. I don't think it's ever happening, But god,
I would actually love PlayStation those stores a battle right now, Big Jimbo
Ryan, Okay, here's what we should talk to you about this, But
he says high Fellas would really love for new Slight Cooper games. I wonder
who I'd have to talk to to make that happen. Is there any old
PlayStation IP you went back? Um, yes, Big Jimbo Ryan, Jumping
Flash, Jumping Flash Jimmy's favorite over there. Yeah yeah, but like seriously,
Jumping Flash two is such a fun game. Jumping Flash Shoe basically had
Metri Prime's control scheme before Metric Prime came out, right of the first person
tank thing. It's like, it's that even with the jump. It even
literally like Metroid Primes. You jump, he certain looking down to the ground.
That's straight from Jumping Flash. Jumping Flash, like just had it all
figured out. Such a cool game. I'm upset we never had more.
I was very happy when the characters showed up in Ashell's playroom because again,
Astro's Playroom is just like the best game. But yeah, I try to
think why I would even want like because they have sort of brought back a
lot of the characters. I would want, like Ratchet like I would,
I would like a new Jack and Dexter especially. Yeah, I guess I
differ from most people. I think a lot of people want one more like
Jack two or Jack three. I am. I like those games. I
like the original, like very Mario sixty four inspired Jack and Dexter the most.
Still, I never played Sly. Should just do that, because I'm
sure I would. Actually, Sly Cooper was the one that I probably played
more than Jack and Daxter. I was always a Ratchet guy, but I
think Sly Cooper is the one that I played after that despite their abite it
not being as well. I mean, it was still popular, but not
like as poplars Jack and Daxter, I would say. But yeah, I
mean that's that's the thing one thinking about these Like, to me, PlayStation
now has always been strong for it's their party relations. So I'm thinking of
like, you know, what are great PlayStation games, Metal Years, Solid
seven, Mega Man Legends, right, yeah, yeah, all these games
I love. They are like other companies, So that's a little you think
about side. Yeah, Sly and Jack in Daxter. There still are some
franchises that I really would like to see back, at least like the Ratchet
style, or you would get one cool one generation Ape Escape. Such is
so much fun. That's such a neat idea. It's a bit of a
shame we haven't had a new one of those. Yeah, trysthing new with
that forever. Yeah. Um, nothing from the PlayStation three Air except where
I charted. I don't need a new resistance. I don't need a new
kill. So I'm pretty you know what I do like Infamous? I do
like Infamous. I think like, Okay, they went in a good direction
with it. They just need to go further. They just needed to make
it, you know, more fun. But I guess they basically have that
Carra with Spider Man now, So right, exactly what what's the best Infamous
is? Its second Son? I think it's Second Son Slash First Light.
Yeah, because firstly, I like, expanded on it in some ways they
really like. But yeah, in terms of bass games, second Son.
And then Goldie says, I don't have a place Station five spending too much
on super chats and no problem with that at this point. Should I wait
until twenty twenty four and get that pro. I have a good PC and
can wait for Spider Man. If you can't wait, wait, but there's
there's still no guarantee about a PRO and if something doesn't get announced like by
the end of the year, maybe just just just bite that boot. I
don't know. That is always the awkward thing, right, if you've already
waited this long to get a Places to five and now it's like maybe,
yeah, yeah, you have to wait, Like how much do you want
to play the exclusive? Because if that's that's the big thing, I'm a
more I'm a PC switch gamer, just like it sounds like Goldie is just
like Jeff is, and we're always saying like I go to my console really
exclusives, Like I just I don't even have my own PS five. I
borrowed my buddies so I could play FF sixteen and after playing, I was
like, you know, I've played now, I've played Ratchett, I've played
this, I could play God of War, I could play Horizon, but
those are probably coming to PC at some point. I'm just like, I
don't know, you really have to think about how badly do you want to
play that? Like handful of like, you know, a dozen or so
exclusives right now that Ratchett Clint Grit depart just came to PC. Apparently that's
a pretty good port actually of this one. Yeah, I sorry, it
has like a couple of very minor issues, but in general, yeah,
apparently it's very good. Which, Hey, Nixy's who I thought, you
know, get the PC people to do a PC port. It's good.
There go a game. That's it for Supertest for enough. If you guys
have more polease send than we will read them before the end of the show.
We're going to take a short break here. We've got a couple of
games we are going to play when we get back, so stick around.
We will be are and even b all right, we are back. We
are ready to play some games. Looks like I have somebody besides Jeff to
trounce and destroys this to the messy pin the same. Actually, I think
we're about even. He might even be doing a little better than me.
But that's okay. I'm going to win today for sure. Just what you
did last time? Did I lose against you? You didn't. It wasn't
blowout, but you can remember. Anyways, this is closest to the Messy
Pin Special Guest Edition Volume two presented by terab Oshean powered by Metacric, executively
produced by Benji Bob Kojima. Anyways, if you don't know, this is
the game where if every round, every round, we will be looking at
a certified retro game that is older than ten years. For those who don't
know, the goal is to predict the game's metacric score. We use a
closest to the Pins scoring system, so for every point deviated away from the
actual point you are, you get one point added to your score. It's
like golf. You want to have the lowest score the lost deviation by the
end of the game. If weeks guess the exact number right, instead of
gaining zero points, we will deduct five points from our total score. Now,
Mike, I told Benji Bop what we were doing for the topic of
the show today. So I have a feeling I know what the theme is.
I have not looked at the game, so so run even footing here.
Okay, what do you say we you flip a coins, see who
goes first? You do it. I know how much you like to flip
your coins. Absolutely I'll do an Alphabecca order heads would be you, Mike,
So you get to pick first, you get tell me what you think.
PlayStation All Stars Battle Royal at the PlayStation three, released November twentieth,
twenty twelve, Based on sixty nine critic reviews, has on me dot com.
All right, good, yeah, this is funny. Um Yeah,
like I said, I remember it like not doing super well, which of
course doesn't mean like it isn't the sixties or something, but yeah, I
should have done better. I think I'm gonna say seventy four, seventy far.
Okay, it's interesting that you say that, because I was definitely uh
thinking right off the bat seventy five, because I think I think I think
it leaned a lift higher in the seventies. I want to say, so,
I mean, you know, I'm gonna pull a little bit distance between
I just make things interesting. I'll say seventy six. I'll go up a
little bit here. Okay, so I like it. Let split the difference
here. I'm saying seventy six, Mike is saying seventy four. The actual
score is seventy four, you bastard, fucking go hell yeah, dang,
good guess so Mike, Mike has negative five five two going into round number
two. Marvel, Marvel versus S and K two. I think he means
CAP Converse, Assess and K Millennium two thousand game, though I'm pretty sure
that's what it means. Release on the is that? Yeah? Okay,
okay, because I'm trying to see it's PlayStation two November six, two thousand
and one, twenty. Yeah, it's gotta be cvs two, um,
cvs two very highly regarded. Oh my critics, they right, the critics.
Yeah, that's the thing because pixel game gross, yeah, and not
all off content and mostly an arcady kind of thing. I think the prestige
would have carried alow though, So I'm gonna say I'm gonna go maybe a
little higher than I'm talking about it. I'm feeling eighty two. Eighty two
feels right for this. I think a little bit better than that probably.
Oh h, I think you're not too far off it. I will once
against say eighty four. And also, I don't know why this thing is
pulsing every time you're clicking on something, But that's okay. A man,
nobody knows, nobody doing what the scoreboards is doing. What it's going to
do. It it's it's it's as natural state. Yeah, alright, well
I got eighty two mice guy eighty four. The actual score is eighty one.
Nice. That's such a good game. I mean, two versions,
it has to be good enough. That's I feel like that's it just got
um points knocked off for lack of content because, you know, fighting games
at this time, we're mostly does arcade poards, and so they were like,
you know, hey, we've been nice to see some a little more,
right, all right? Game number three, Virtua Fighter five on line
Xbox three sixty October thirty at two thousand and seven thirty six Critic reviews.
What you feeling Mike about VF five. I feel like I remember this game
at least the places in three like original version being reviewed pretty well. I
don't know why there'd be any a friend for the three sixty version. I
think I remember there's a lot of like fighting game free servey this game.
People liked this game. I think I'm gonna even say in ninety I think
people liked this so nine Okay, trying to remember, but yeah, people
were high on this. From what I will tell you, Virtua Fighter five
is the Virtua Fighter. People always let you know, they go back to
VF one or VF two for being influential, But VF five is the game.
Right that being said, I think games never do that. Well,
I know that's it's so weird to me that I think this one did.
I'm curious now I'm curious too. I mean, you know what I'm gonna
I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to play save. I'm good. I'm
gonna Gillow Risky here maybe, but I'm gonna put a big gap between us.
I'm saying only eighty. Okay, this is make up some ground here.
Yeah, if I'm a lot closer, if it was a lot lower,
I might make up that ground. All right. So I got eighty,
Mike's got ninety. Actual score is eighty nine. I told you,
man, dang very good. I definitely. I mean, I'd love to
deduct eighty points from my score here is once the game I will. I
will take my nine points. Uh so I should be a twelve? Could
I ever even think it's time? Like? Man, critics really like this,
Okay, that's wild. It was a very good game. It was
it was very complex it's weird. That's like the last virtual player, right.
There has not been a Virtual Fighter six. Uh no, not not
an original one. They released improved versions of Virtual Fighter five. They well
they literally remade VIA five in the in the Dragon engine. You know,
GG made it. So that's interesting. Uh all right, well that was
a big hit to me. All right, let's say what game number four
is. Castlevania Judgment Was This Boy Doing to Us? Released on the Wei
November eighteen, twenty eight, thirty three critic reviews, Um, it's my
pick yep shit. I this small as games everyone thinks is bad, but
it's actually kind of dope because this is the one what I believe Aiding like
one of the old yeah, one of the old school developers. May I
believe this was the Aiding one. And so Aiding did a lot of a
lot of blood fighting games that people don't realize they've worked on, like Moral
versus Capcom and stuff like that. I want to say though, that people
were down on this one overall. Um, how down on us? It's
a wee game. I think it required motion controls for some things. Ah
my guts telling me rather low? But how low? I even feel like
seventies, something might be a little high. I'm almost feeling like I'm almost
feeling like sixty eight, Like I think this game might have been knocked.
I don't know, I don't know how people were reacted to this. You
know, screw it. I'm I'm so far removed from yet this point.
I'm just gonna I'm balls the wall. Sixty eight I'm walking in. Yeah,
they did not like this game. I remember. I think it's definitely
in the sixties. I think even lower than that, actually, maybe even
lower than the six. People did not like it. They really dragged this
game. I've never played it. The arrangements were really good, good soundtrack.
So I'll say sixty five might maybe even lower. I'm not sure.
Is that your final answer? Sixty five my final answer? All right,
sixty five for mic, sixty eight from me? Yeah, and I got
me second guessing because I feel like people really dragged this one. How badly
did the forty nine? Yeah, people realizated it. I was able to
play a little safe there. It's like, well, it's got to be
lower than him. But yet people did not like this game. All right,
Well, I couldn't careless to play it now, Like because it can't
be that bad. It's not. And that's the thing. People who actually
try it out now they're like, no, this game actually kind of rules.
One of the one of the things I've heard is that a lot of
the casuals didn't like how aiding it was. So like Marvel versus Capcom three,
you get hit once you're dead. This is a similar kind of game
where like you will get messed up on a good combos. I remember not
liking the character designs like this is like there was like that era where Simon
Belmont was just an anime guy with like red mop of hair for some reason.
Yeah, instead of like the beefcake that he is. Right, Yeah,
it's really weird. It's a weird game, all right. Well the
last game, maybe I'll be able to make up this sixteen point discrepancy on
Bushito Blade. Let's gonna go either way. PS one Game September thirtieth,
nineteen ninety seven, thirteen Crack Reviews. Mike, Yeah, no idea Bushito
Blade. Uh, we'll see. We'll do a cowards answer saying eighty two
as a cowards answer, that's so safe. I know, well it's safe,
but also that's what I was gonna go with, oh, there's no
winning for me at this points. The best sign help for us to try
and nail it exactly and just you know, have some bragging rights. Um
see it, I am good prices, right, I'm gonna say eighty one.
Yeah, I think people like to a good amount. Maybe didn't love
it super well, all right, no way, I'm coming back from this.
But I'm locking eighty one. Mike's locking eighty two. The actual score
is it's three. I was on the wrong side. That's funny. The
cowards answer was very close. It was very close, which means that Mike
wins was sixteen points to my very high thirty three. There incredible all right,
good good stuff there, especially like the part where I won by a
lota. Well, we got plenty more fighting game content today because we're gonna
take a little break. We're gonna set up for a Sean and I to
deliberate on the ten best fighting games all time. None of that mount rushmore
crap. Here, we're deciding some stuff. We don't care how important a
game is. We are only talking about quality in our preferences. Let's get
We'll be right back. Welcome back, everybody, it is now time for
Sean and I to decide as we decide things right here, this podcast was
right the top ten fighting games of all time. There's no method to this
madness. We're just going to work together as friends to decide together. We've
also asked our community for some help here, so they'll have their suggestions.
Chat is popping off to their suggestions. There's gonna be a lot of fun.
Ten should give us plenty of room to get a lot of people's favorites
on it. Um Sean, if I may suggest one off the top here,
one I think is very dear to both of us. One we both
like a lot. One that is very acclaimed in general. Street Fighter three
Third Strike. Oh yeah, I'm not you know what I'm gonna We'll see
how far it down goes, but I'm gonna play right at the top here.
Yeah. That is just like that is still kind of the ideal classic
fighting game to me, where it has just enough mechanics to be interesting,
but not so much that kind of gets bogged down in it. You have
the beautiful character sprites, the beautiful Yeah, like the fun soundtrack. Uh,
it's just a fun It's a fun game to play. And it's a
really fun game to watch people play. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean,
something as simple as the way the Perry system works in that game does so
much for the game. There's so much depth in just the foot seas of
everything there that well, you're already throwing out some slanks, some stem I'm
gonna help people. So, uh, the Perry systems game, if you
tap forward instead of winning back to block, if you tap forward at the
right moment, you can perfectly block an attack without taking even chip damage.
You can kind of reverse it too. Foot seas is kind of just like
you know, it's when you're sort of spaced out, you're kind of in
neutral, you're probably you're kind of just trying to get a little pope there.
You're just kind of throwing some stuff out seeing that's right, that's right,
you're learning, I'm learning, I know my pluses and minuses and all
this stuff. There you go, that's right, and with thirds, right,
they with the Perry system. The developers haven't mentioned before that the entire
point of press tapping forward to Perry is when you know it, you have
to risk something because you can't block if you're pressing forward to Perry. So
it's either you get to Perry or you get hit. It's it's beautiful,
it's simplicity. Love it and yeah everything you mentioned as well. The music
is good. It's beautiful, is fantastic game, and that Perry system gave
us the greatest, the most iconic fighting game moment. Every let's go justin
right with the with the chun Ley versus Ken with just those perfect Perry's I
have from a desperate situation and then he does his own super to win it
while everybody freaks out. It's incredible. Everybody in Chad who sang Second Impact
is better is just insane. Although Second Impact and the original street Fare three
have very good stages. Also, I kind of wish you could just play
all the stages in the Stry because they are really Harry's were just bad in
every prior version of us have three, So like, if you like the
Perrys, you play Third Strike as simple as that. That's why it's the
once lived on. Yeah, we still have amazing stages in three. We
did ever tell you about subway shots? No? Yeah, when we played
this game, and I think when me and my friends were playing in a
lot, we had like the version that was on the original Xbox in that
street Fighter collection. But you know you do random stages and if you got
the Subway level, you know everyone did a shot. Subway shots is those
like nines. This is one of those like the Naughties specials. There those
good times. And then it's like a I love the roster because didn't you
do have like normal street Fighter people and new characters that are very much street
Fighter spirit, like Makodo. They used to have weirdos. I know at
first people that the weirdos were a bit much. I think the weirdos are
like Necro in twelve and que. I think they're very even they bad character
to the game, definitely they did. Okay, Sean, not let you
sort of suggest one here now? Oh well, I was gonna ask you,
do we want to like just run through a series real quick, like
while we're on it, or do we want to flip flop? We do
because you think there might be other street Fighter games you can say, because
to me, like like street Fight three is kind of still the one thing
about six is honestly the next one for meeting now, that's the thing.
It's liked. We we said this before the break, but this is what
we think are the best ones or maybe even a little of like the ones
that we really love, and so I think we need to say it now.
I don't think Street Fire two makes the list, No, And I
think I think Jeff would Yo if he was here. And I like street
Fire two, and obviously it is the game Yo Turbo. Sean comes from
street Fighter to Turbo. Super Turbo was the first fighting gaer play. So
I have mad respect and love for street Fire two. But here's the thing.
The people who actually know anyone, anyone who's getting mad right now is
getting mad because they don't play Street Fire two. That's a busted ass game.
I like, yeah, street Fight two is great, it's still nostalgic
to play it. But if you told me I can take ten fighting games
to a desert island, street Fire two, like Super Turbo specifically, would
be like or maybe the first one would be like Mount Rushmore of Moore.
Absolutely street Fighter two, but top ten no, no, no, it's
not my favorite. So then I think that, you know, then stands
the reason. Four. I don't think it was really cool, but like
there'll be six is just a better four or a better five. Yeah,
it's it's it's like there's there's a delineating mark there between three and four of
like old and new era, and I think you're more of an Alpha guy
than I am. I like the Alpha's fine, but I'm not thinking about
I like the Alpha's a lot. Yeah, but um, I don't think
any of those make the list either, like on someone else's list. I
wouldn't bat an eye if they said, like Alpha three because I think it's
like good and especially like Alpha three Max. Yeah, totally absolutely, But
when it comes to best, the question becomes is it too soon to put
three Fighter six? I don't know. I mean we're I mean we're we
basically have almost had like quote unquote a season of it because we have our
first deal c character, our first kind of balanced pass. That's the thing
with with fighting games. A season is a year. So we haven't haven't
that ship yea as of this recording, on the off chance, so I
was watching it later. Um, as of this recording, Rashid just came
out this week, and so that's where we are in Street Fire six.
I I almost want to say, Mike, I almost want to say that
we just agree to leave it off for recency bias. Maybe we'll see,
we'll see many you know what, you know what, I'll it'll be the
first honorable mention for now and then if we have a spot, let's see
see. But I'm okay with Street Fire Third Strike kind of just rapping that
whole series. Same all right, well then let me see let me look
at mildast here. All right, um says we're on the topic of Capcom.
I think a Marvel game, let's say, is a Marvel Baby.
I think it's Marvel Baby. That's the question is where you curly mustache?
Uh? The question is which one is the thing? Yeah? I mean,
I know you like three a lot. Ultimate It's a big deal for
a lot of people. I like at fine. I am very much a
Marve versus Capcom two boy. Um that I mean, I got had that
for Dreamcast and it was kind of my Dreamcast game. I was. It
was kind of mine too. Yeah, yeah, because I Dreamcast. I
play a lot of games that Drincast because me and my friends love the arcade
experiences are like not a great port on Drinkcast. But NBC two is basically
arcade perfect. It's a fantastic port of just this goofy, beautiful mess of
a game with these like the character sprites reading from gorgeous and new to Felicia's
like old ass dark Stalkers sprite, the more again sprite that would be in
every game until D the for Yeah, that was wacky three D backgrounds,
but it's just, you know, it was like the first, especially the
first fighting game I remember where it was just a silly amount of characters and
I loved that and you had to unlock half of them, and I had
so much fun just playing through the you know, the story mode of the
arcade mode over and over and doing those fights and just unlocking more characters,
seeing which weirdos were in there, and you know, like I never had
to play this game too seriously because I just played it with my friends and
my brothers a lot, and we were because we played together, we're about
a similar skill level, even if my one friend did have a freaking sentinel
on his team in that droop absolutely crazy to see. God, I just
like, this is still just such a game I associate so heavily with being
like a thirteen year old is constantly and I felt so good on that Dreamcast.
So going into this episode, I was thinking to myself, like,
which Marvel game? I think the realization came too. Probably only one is
making the list. I don't. I don't see both making a list between
NBC two and UNBC three. And I think even though I prefer three,
I also love too, and so if you have love for two but none
further not really Summer three, probably three please very ugly? Like those graphics
have aged pretty bad. You know, I'm good run, I got that.
Mars Cock two is some beautiful game. This this, this Ultimate Mars
Account three even have a good soundtrack. Actually that's it? What's wrong?
What did I stayed? Upset? You everything? What are you talking about?
What you think Ultimate Marvelus is? Caclam three is a pretty game.
I mean in terms of raw assets, no, but like the art direction
is still phenomenal. Yeah, it looks like a comic book if you will
be pushing it a little bit, all right, you know, me and
me, this is where me and Michael Bahris throats if we talk, any
looks better than infinite love that well? Yeah, yeah, I want to
Mike. You're like, I didn't bring this up because NBCi is my favorite
Marvel But yeah, I know you freaking plays well, but yes, it's
but ugly. Okay, while we're on this, though, we should probably
talk about uh Caclam Versus S and K two, which in terms of like
the Versus series, and this is like almost even not really the Versus series,
and the way that there's a linear considered is considered vers but it's just
so different from like because like you know, X the expect Children of the
Atom to Marvel's Capcom two, there's like a pretty straight linea share cap Conversus
that's the case almost its own thing in terms of what it's combining, and
it's fantastic. It's so much fun. It does a really good job of
not just like combining those rosters, but combining those mechanics. Um, just
a gorgeous two D game. Really again, very good backgrounds. I think
it's a I think it's a better looking game Marvels Capcom two is. I
think it's generally definitely more coheite cohesive, Like there's something fun about the mess
the hot messrs too. Yeah, Marl Versus Capcom two was mostly just an
asset dump, and they did create a bunch of original stuff for CBS two,
so yeah, they modernized a lot of stuff for it, right,
yeah, Machi, right, like, come on, let's go great.
Yeah, Maki, who was originally supposed to be Linn Kursaala from a VP
the Only versus Predator r K games a cool but yeah that's why, Yeah,
that's why Maki has the town is there originally supposed to be played.
We got true love making. He has a good song. Yeah, um,
are you saying you want in the top ten? I think I do.
I think I think I like this more than actually any King of Fighter
even personally, I would agree any yeah, anything. I'm a capcom chill
so I show I've been appreciating SK more. There's maybe one other s and
K game I consider, uh after where are you? Where are you feeling?
On here? I'll be as high up as like those. I think
maybe a seven it is okay for now, We'll might be even lower.
But I do like a lot put from a little bit later. It's been
really enjoying it. I I'm actually not a big CVS guy, but I
played it some. I played at Galloping Ghost every time I'm there. I
appreciate it a lot. So you know what, I'll appreciate your decision to
put on there. I appreciate you appreciating me. Um, all right,
Mike, I want to keep the cap contrain rolling with one boy. Okay,
let's hear it. I'm putting in the top ten. Okay, well
if you if you want to put low, that's fine. I just want
to get them too. But okay, our stone is legit rival School No.
One. Oh right, okay, we're going Vampire Survivors or which one
m Vampires Savior aka Dark Stalkers three on us consoles. Yes, it is
no good, it is. It is the game. A lot of people
don't realize this is basically the game that invented the anime fighter. Like you
know, I usually gets accredited to Guilty Gear vampires Vampires say you're specifically like
the Dark Stalkers series did that in like the early ish nineties. It's still
a beautiful game, so well animated, basically the level of anime you would
get from something like I guess like Third Strike was happening in like I can't
remember exactly when the first one came out. I think it was like ninety
one, Like, oh my god, the first the first Dark Sockers was
ninety one. Yeah, it was. It was it was very like chat,
keep me honest down there. But yeah, like Dark Sockers was the
ninety four that makes a little bit more sense. Oh, ninety four,
okay, So it was in ninety four, ninety six, ninety seven or
something ninety seven, yeah, ninety five, ninety seven, okay, okay,
so yeah, but yeah, it was like you know, it was
still in the first half of the nineties when they were street Fighter two was
nineteen ninety two. I thought, nineteen ninety one. That's right, that's
right, okay, Okay, I forgive him that he's a child. Everything
is. Anything from the mid to early nineties is practically the same time.
Hey, that's why I remember Visa it was ninety seven. I don't remember
on the first game. It is weird, like Final Fight is eighty nine,
and that's a game that looks way ahead of eighty nine, right,
so that sometimes like, yeah, that's why, that's why I struggle to
keep some of these early games like the dates figured out. Yeah, um,
okay, But anyways, I'm nominating Vampire Savior because it is the best
version of that game. Weirdly enough, the Dark Soccer's games, they like
each one like is missing a little bit from the others, and so Vampire
Savior is the most well rounded one. And as some of my characters that
become a cock and like the Marl Versus Capcom series, like the stages are
all gorgeous. Like basically everything we've been talking about for other games that would
come you know, five day even ten years later, came in this one
first. So my question you here, Mike, is where where are you
willing to put it for now in this top time? Yeah, it's because
because I have been able to play a good amount of Vampire Savior thanks to
the recent collection, we had to switch what there was a version this for
PSP of Night. There's a nice sucker game there. I actually played a
good amount of back in the day that I liked a lot. I don't
know that was based on exactly, but that was fun. I have no
problem with this being on the list. Um, I would probably rather play
cap COVERSUSK two than that, but I don't feel so strongly about it.
If you want to put it a little bit above that, maybe not,
maybe not more than one spot above it though, hang on here, I'm
pulling up. I've talked about this before on the show. This is a
good opportunity to actually bring it up. Uh. This is the other Walls
girl that I have hanging on my wall in my home, because I have
that, you know, the Felicia one from the comics right behind me there.
But this is the cover from that game that you just mentioned, Dark
Starker's chronicled the Chaos Tower for PSDA. I have a giant two foot by
like four foot walls girl of this hanging on my wall over there, and
it's absolutely gorgeous. I love this artists from my favorite artists. Um,
I think I think, yeah, I wouldn't even put that high. I
think I would put out like nine or ten. I think that, I
mean the cap might be going lower. We'll see. All right, well
you know what, let let's see how do you do this? No,
we just invented cap con versus us in K three, y'all. I always
just copied Dasis crap because I don't know how you got Then I just delete.
There you go there like I'm perfect. All right, enough a capcom
for a hot second here, because I gotta I gotta bring up Smash now.
I was a pretty big Smash Brothers, a melee guy those are the
only actual tournaments I ever went to. Nothing big, but I did go
to a couple Smash Brothers melee tournaments. They didn't get immediately knocked out in
at least one of them. Um, but gosh, this was the game
that, you know, me, my brothers, my friends would play almost
every day for a while. We all kind of picked our mains and just
had an endless amount of fun playing each other. Something about just the way
this game feels a giant improvement over the original till sixty four version. It's
just still like a fun, good start this just since there's a content there
were a lot more characters. Um, really surprisingly decent single player offerings.
Even just the challenge mode was a lot of fun. I loved how kind
of almost seriously the game took itself like. He had these really dramatic orchestral
arrangements of songs that were sort of very good I heard of for Nintechno properties
at the time, right, really cool stages. Yeah, this was like
this. This was my everything for a good while. So Super specif Ability
is just one of my favorite games ever, let alone fighting game. And
I'll kind of say at the same time, like Ultimate it's obviously also just
really really good and in many ways a more refined game like those are the
two Smash Bros. Games worth talking about, Like, I think we may
we might be all agree on this one. Super Smash Brothers Ultimate might be
the best fighting game package of all time. Yeah, in terms of what
you get, I wish, Yeah, yeah, I think that's right.
I mean, especially if you get all the dalc like all their games do
specific things better, like you know, the sense story mode and everything like
that. But in terms of like if you just want stuff to do,
Smash All is still just on top. But that's so that's my thing.
We're gonna really put two Smash games on here. I could, I could
see it for now. I don't think both stay, but I think we
could put both on for now. Yeah, because even like Ultimate, it's
probably at this point a better game. Somebody told me which one are you
gonna play? It's Ultimate? I think, I think, yeah, No,
I'm the same way Melee is special to me, but Ultimate is the
better one. And all right, you know what, you know what the
chat is losing their minds over this, So I'm gonna I'm gonna do it.
I promised, people I would. I'm gonna give the rant, Mike.
If you think Smash isn't a fighting game, you're out of your goddamn
mind, because what else is it? You canna say, Oh, it's
a party game, like what you rolling dice and moving board game pieces.
No, it's a fighting game. Or even still having that conversation, I
thought we were all like so passive people who think they're cool on the internet
like to have this. Yeah, but here's the thing, here's the thing.
Think about this way. I'm just gonna put all y'all in the ground
with this one. If you think Smash is a flying game, then you
must think Mario Kart isn't a racing game, because why you got items,
you got platform, you got a crazy traversal. What suddenly suddenly easy?
Like Mario Kart is't a racing game? Like? No, like it,
it's a racing game, smashes a flying game. It's just Nintendo spin on
simple as that easy. Anyway, Why don't we so put like I would
put like Melee high or an ultimate lower at least maybe right now? I
don't know, Okay, like Melee so much? Um disagree? Give me
numbers. I'm feel I'm feeling like five, six, seven spots. All
right, give Melee five and Ultimate seven for now? How about that?
Oh, you know like Melee High, I didn't. I don't like nostalgic
speakings of you don't like that. I think, I think if we're looking
at I think, if we're looking at this list as the best games,
I think Ultimate goes higher than Melee, but by like one spots. It's
a big see against the package. It's the package, baby, I know,
but Melee is Melee. I know it's almost obnoxiously like noxious at this
point that people still cling on the Melee in a way. But I mean
it's incredible, it's influential, it's still a fun game to play. I
don't blame tho those lives. It's gonna be an a part where I'm like
gonna feel bad having two entries for any franchise because there are there are the
whole series. I would probably one to see you presented. But here you
go ahead, Now, what's something you're thinking about? All right? I'm
thinking I'm thinking we should rapid fire a few of these, just like,
yeah, make some more headway here. Um, let's just talk about the
three D Fighters on the whole um, so techn Soul Caliber and Virtue A
Fighter as the primary ones. Yeah, I mean I Virtual Fighter was like,
it's definitely a mount maybe more Mount rushmore one for me. I like
a Virtual Fighter two back in the day on my Saturn. Virtual Fighter five
was obviously the kind of a big deal for me. The three D fighting
game is sol Caliber two. Yeah, I think, I mean, I
think Nick's can have a stroke if we don't at least mention Virtual Fighting though,
which yes, also very good. I think it's very good also,
but I've always I generally liked Sol Caliber more. I think it's gotten a
little wee bish and the lower installments, but yeah, they lost their way,
like with five especially. Yeah, two two is still kind of the
perfect three D fighting game for me. I think it's so much fun.
It's got a great roster it. I love how each version has a little
extra character in it, and obviously playing as Blink in the Gameki version is
super fun, really cool single player mode actually with lots of stupid little lord
dumps that I'm all about. The presentations just great. I mean, the
original Soul Colburn Dreamcast also very good, but two is just that a bit
better. M that is still the fighting game, the three D fighting game
for me. And you know, it's like it's like it is a game
you can actually give to a friend and they can button mash into Okay,
they will do things and but obviously if you really know what you're doing,
you can do some fun combos and you can link some stuff together and get
kind of nuts. Um. I think we shouldn't at least mention the tech
and games, and I think I think for pure representation, I think currently
at the bottom is where I would put it simply because me and Mike don't
have love for it. So hey, right, if on your list you
wanted higher, that's on you. But I think I think Tech and Three
you can't overstate how influential that was. That was literally something that people don't
think about this anymore in terms of a lot of fighting games. People were
buying ps ones to play Tech and three at home. Like, right,
it was very big when it came out, and it still holds up like
very well. And I know I'm not teching guy when like I have played
a bit of Tech and three recently actually played it on the Police US a
classic and I get it. I absolutely do get it. I want to
play more tech in. I feel bad not being as into that series as
I am, but you know, right now I can almost I probably I
care about that or Alive as much I care about Thick, and I won't
do that to anybody. I'm not gonna put that Alive three on there also,
you know, actually a very good game. But yeah, we won't.
We won't do that. But Tech and three mid Beetle Squeak in.
We'll see where running out of room? Yeah, and I will. I
do want address this because you just played it on stream. Tech and seven
very good game. Flawed game, I would say, And I think even
the people who play it competitively and everything, we'll tell you that as well.
Like it's it's a little off in some ways. It's still a very
good game overall, but people, it's more about the content in Tech and
seven. As Banda Namco, you know they make Smatch as well. They
know how to put content content on there, like, but I think Tech
and three is I don't know, there's something about that and I like classic
fighting games, and Tech and three still feels interesting in a way that seven
kind of doesn't. All right, before there's a couple other things. I
think, Mike, we might to get here, and honestly, one that
I'm not really all that huge on by I think you're a fan of we
should talk about is Killer Instinct. Oh? There it is, Yes,
Mike, I know you like your Killer Instinct. Did I break you?
You just bring it in number three? Number three can't be at number three.
I don't even care. I like a fine kid. It's both of
our lists. Bring it, bitch, bring it buzz go. I will
fight for this. I will fight for them. What it's with you and
Jeff Like, it's not good enough? It's on the list. You have
to have it as high as possible to look it's very good. I'm fucking
with you. I would think at least below ultimate is where I would put
it. Like, I know, that's fine, it's fine. I mean,
I get it. People do like it a lot. I don't like
here. I hope they make a new one. It's a fun game.
I hope they do too. Yeah. Okay, So for anyone who doesn't
know, if you're out of the upa Killer Instinct, um, you know
it's a smaller game because it's originally intended as like an Xbox live arcade game.
It doesn't have a ton of content, but they absolutely like put some
in over time there's This game is still, in my opinion, the most
fun fighting game to play because it does something that basically no other fighting game
does. In this way, you are always playing the game. You were
never sitting there just taking a combo to the face. You can combo break,
you can counter break, There's so many things you can do on the
defense. You're always playing. It's always hype, not even mentioning, you
know, the musical ultra combos of this game, in particularly Killer in Sining
twenty thirteen, is what we're talking about, to be clear, the musical
ultras the like you know, putting in random ask characters is fun too,
like Rash the battle toes in here so good like And if anyone disagrees,
I'm just gonna say this, it's because you probably haven't tried it. You
probably haven't been like I'm not like, I haven't played a ton of it.
But this isn't some weird opinion of Sean's like inside the fighting game community
of like, which I have some exposure to not but to Sean, this
is not a bizarre opinion. The people who like no, no, and
they speak barely very highly of this killer instinct. Um, let's talk about
a couple of series that aren't on here yet, maybe actually Developer because we
don't have anything from Art Systems right now. That's good because they were the
next ones on this like a list of games that I have where yeah,
like Guilty, Gear, Blaze Blue and Persona would be like the big ones.
It's just a question of like which ones of each would you know?
Beyond that, yeah, that is kind of and like there's a part of
me. It's like I like all of them, like some of them a
good amount. I don't know if any of them are my top ten,
Like if one would be, it would pe Persona for you know, ULTIMATEX
or whatever. Partially because I mean, you know, well, you know
it is like a lots of those games, but characters that I like a
right, even though even though there's something kind of bizarre about just how uh
uh sort of not graphic novelly. What do we call that when the video
game is mostly a story with with pictures and work I mean, yeah,
no, no graphic novel. Yeah, basically yeah said, why did I
think there's no where? Yeah, it's very graphic novel for a fighting game.
There's a lot of text and stuff, but it's so fun. Um,
I don't know. Yeah, we're saying I was looking forward to chat
Chat was there to help me through much. That sounds like. That sounds
right as I don't think grapping novels, right, But you're saying it is.
Um, you know, I like is Blue like Guilty Gear, Dragonball
Fighters was good. That's the thing. That's the thing. We didn't mention
that, and that's the thing. Dragonball Fighters I think at least deserves consideration.
Yeah, you think that's the one. I think if we're gonna represent
our system works, that would be the one. And I say this as
someone who does like Guilty Gear a lot. I played Exert, I played
Strive Dragonball Fighters, like man, that game is gorgeous. That game looks
better than the show a lot. It looks really cool. It's a really
slick fighting game too. It gave us the Marvel versus Capcom people wanted when
Marvel Infinite let everyone down, right, that's exactly right. So I'm well,
before we even do that, because there's a couple of things. Yeah,
what about Mortal Kombat. We haven't talked about Mortalkombat. That's the thing.
Yeah, we need to talk about MK. Uh here let me put
let me I think we agree that if we put in our acis we put
a big dragon ball fighters. Yeah. Uh, I'm you know me,
I'm a boomer. So when I think Mortal Kombat, like, my favorite
is Ultimate Mortal Kombat three. That's kind of the one of me because that's
sort of the no punteted ultimate version of that original idea of Mortal Kombat trilogy
is like the most content I was. I was gonna say, it's either
it's either UMK three or its trilogy. I think um K three has a
better focus because it isn't trying to do as robot smoke and he blows up
the planet. Um. You know. A lot of the new more combats
are also very good. At the MK has love nine. People love nine,
and that was a big deal. It was really kind of brought that
back again. It has smoke. So yeah, here's the thing, if
we were to if we were consider a modern one, I wouldn't say nine.
You're a ten guy. I m K X is a very good fighting
game. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, Nick,
you did tell me about uh yeah, I mean, look, I like
them all eleven, just the story mode didn't get me as much. UM
and the best guest characters though, I think, yeah, and like that.
There you go. You got that side of things, now I got
the R side. It didn't feel great to play competitively, like I hear
that from the friending game community. It felt off and I played a combo
breaker theory came out and I dropped it like very shortly afterwards because I just
like, distilln't feel distilln't feel good. I don't like the way they went
too far with the variations being tied to like clothing and stuff. It was
very weird. Um, So if we if we want like just one on
there, it is UMK three nine or X Yeah, and I'll vote u
K m K three. I'll just do that. That was pick. If
I had to pick one from Yeah. As much as I love X,
I think it would be nine if we picked to myra one just because I
try us the mk hads and I liked the game a lot as well,
So I guess it is just do we do we think three or nine is
the better representative to put up here? I would argue nine, because if
we're talking like still feels good to play the older mks do feel kind of
jank a little. I guess I like that Janko bit. Again, there's
definitely an nostalgi effector with those those old ones for me. You know,
we have a lot of modern fighters on this list, we have a lot
of old fighters on those. We have more old fighters than new fighters.
This would be the oldest I think actually actually maybe Vampire Now it'd be older
than Vampire Saver. Baby, umk, yeah, it's around that time.
If well, no, because Vampire Saver is nice. We're doing that one
specially that's ninety seven. Them three might actuallyuly wow. I mean, look
at the list Mike, we have. We have like a two thousand and
two thousand and like two thousand and one. Two thousand and one is two
thousand and one. I still want to we'll combat three for now. Since
you got your killer in stickpick, maybe we can defer him. Okay,
okay, I'd be wanting to do that, but again, we don't know
he's gonna make it. We have to figure it out. Are you thinking,
well, I don't get you out of maybe ten? Actually? Sorry,
Teck and three. Yeah. Yeah, it's just we're just not teching,
uh bros. Really yeah, well, I just don't think tech.
I don't know. Maybe techn makes it though. Maybe you could put it
at nine and tech and could be ten, I don't know. Or you
could put tech and at nine. We'll figure out. I think we put
you m kid three and nine because I think, again, sorry to attacking
people, Tech and three might be the least likely to be on this list
on our list. To be clear, we'll see uh kills yells throughout just
a few more before maybe we'll look at the community. And so just before
today, I always heard about how much people like Guru Mark the Wolves where
Wolves of London, uh, and he was just playing it, like I
get it. People call it S and K's Third Strike, and I immediately
picked up on that vibe. Yeah it's it's not it's not the gameplay,
but like the vibe, the vibe exactly. So I was enjoying it a
lot. I don't know if I played it enough to be able to say
it's better than Teck and three or something like that. It is really good
though, and you know, we don't we don't have a p S and
K game on the list. We do not know, we do not I
think, and we have cap Versustan K two party is like if we did
have one, maybe it would be that. I mean, you know what,
maybe I would put it up with Teck and three. Actually I don't
know. Here's my thing. Here's my thing, Mike. I don't know
enough by S and K games to put one on this list at all.
Yeah, you're so, I'm thinking as sad as it is, maybe just
no S and K because like kof thirteen is probably the one I would put
on there if I did. And again and I just haven't played enough too
to speak on. I've just never been using Kay guy, I was probably
a bit of King of Fighters and ninety eight not too long ago, and
it was it was fun like usually the ones people will go to. Yeah
right right, I know the ones people do generally say, you are here
the best point gary on that consideration list. Just from my benefit, sure,
absolutely on there. Oh look, Jeff Grubbs just said he made art.
What is this that Jeff grubb has made? I'm not I'm not sure.
I want to bring it up and me only have it. It didn't
it didn't work anyways, So that's okay, it's the leak. Oh no,
it works. Gloribo in nineteen ninety four. I incredible. All right,
everybody buy your Global hoodies. Thanks, Thanks, Jeff. I hope
you're having a nice big You're probably still driving Gan. I don't know what
you're doing hereby get your Gloribo hoodie on the game mess store link on the
description beloff. Yeah, hey, Jeff, what's your favorite fighting game?
I wanted to say she Fighter two so I can call him a boomer.
You have to don't know what fighting game is? No, he doesn't.
He gets he's you know, he's old. He'll get confused and tired.
Um let me see. Yeah, outside of like other honorable mentions like two
is actually yeah, I would Yeah, Yeah, I love Parson. You
know what I'm putting at the bottom, Yeah, put it there for now.
It's good enough that a lades as. There's the honorable. The worst
part, the biggest problem Powerston two is that it's too freaking hard to play
now. It's shocked like like that on something. Give me a break.
Poor Powerstone two over to switch. For the love of god, what's up
with skull girls? I never really played that much to you skull Girls fan
care about it? Still? Girls is interesting because it basically is like a
Marl versus Capcom game. Is that style of game? Have you never play
it, you might not know that it's interesting. It's very interesting. But
that's also one of those where I haven't played enough to really, you know,
get into it in any meaningful way. I think, though, if
we're getting to that area, there are some that the community picked out that
I think are at least worth mentioning. So let's hop on over here.
Let me see. Do you need to like reform at this a little?
Maybe? Oh stretch it, baby, you only just like move the window
over because I think that might work. Yeah, fair enough. As long
as we get like the beginning of everyone's submissions, I'll just do this.
There you go, well behind? So hey, perfect, okay, So
let's start at the top. Showed you, Kodo, says a Marvel versus
Capcom to. Benji also says Marvel versus Capcom too. Hey, we got
good news for you guys. Yeah right, mister Buller says soul Caliber two
is probably why I played the most outside of Smash while we got communess right
there too. Jet Chat Banks brings down the entire conversation by saying TGA twenty
nineteen Fighting Game nominee Jump Force, to which I say, no, no,
sir, no, thank you. I will say shout out to jump
for us for Gameia floor Hire on Trivia Tower at that one time. But
that's the only remember that now. Yeah, Giggy, my guy coming in
with the Vampire Savior, the Lord of Vampire, which yes, and he
has its lovely little gift of Felicia just out landing Enrico's head. I love
it. Uh x x Boppenheimer x X, says Seafoo. So can I
I get it? I get it. It's money who who? Yeah,
okay, I'm seeing who's um Ray says street Fighter Alpha three. Yeah yeah,
I respected, I respected. That's probably not Make three. I would
just so much more rather played Third Trike. And I know they're not necessarily
like that similar, they're similar enough. I like Third Strikes Vibe more.
Yeah, they're in that vein of like faster paced Street Fighters for sure.
Um Squirt Russell, thanks casual. Uh nominates tech in tag tournament to we
you. Addition, the only gamer dress up the Misha Mos as Mario and
Luigi Mike incredible. I have to admit I was very salty about Tech and
tact Treament one for a long time because I was very upset about the Places
To two when it was launching, because even before it launched, it was
clear that it like was going to kill the game out of the Dreamcast's upset
about that and tech A Tag Tournament one just looked graphically so much worse than
so Caliber on Dreamcast. It bothered me so much. I would get so
mad. I was a guy screaming about the jaggies and everyone's fun like,
I don't care. It's not fair. The Dreamcast is there so much better,
man, I still love mine. Raw Party says not thing. I'm
fighting games, but Street Fighters six is probably my favorite. Hey, there
you go. It is is breaking through in the mainstream, So gay respect
him. Jay, who I recognize that profile picture is beef Hammer says God
damnit, Sean, I have to throw away my joke. Is no one
real killer in the same twine, thirteen games would lose the cred we built
up with the FTC if we forget it. That's right, he uh.
He originally said he doesn't have it here. He originally said Persona four Arena
and then changed it to the joke answer of Melti blood actress again current code
before clan Killer instinct always delightful Beef doctor Ryan, who is still wandering why
did they buy that Zoo street Fighter? I watched that end today, I
was in tears. Uh. Street Fighter three third Strike is the best fighting
game ever made. I think me and Mike would agree. There's certainly an
argument to be made there. Soul Caliber four is coming from Alex who points
out that as Darth Vader and Yoda, which and star Killer and star Killer
the most the Apprentice the most important character, four is definitely the best of
all the post soul Caliber two and yes, oh yeah by far, like
even six, which plays very well. Four. I think was also very
salty that soul Cover three was a Placation two exclusive. Boy did that pis
weird choice? That was a very weird I was very upset about. But
yeah, I think we definitely like two more. Uh. Sister Classic Clink
says, if you're going to include an anime fighter, it might as well
be the best one. I'm Persona for Arena Altimax, which you know,
I'm Mike, you know I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna at least
honorable mentioned for arena. I think I need deserve getting a surprising amount of
love from Chat Like maybe I don't know. It's good. They're persuading me.
They're persuading me to want to consider that more so than Dragonball Fighters.
We'll see, we'll see. Um let's see where we're we cranted some basketball,
says UMK three is probably the best moral con or probably the moral combat
that makes the list right. Well, you would agree with Lenny cool Diick
den Verse says, I'm a Garo Mark of the Wolves, pervert and I'm
tired of hiding. Don't worry, I get it, man. That was
real. I was really enjoying just playing a bit of that game. It
was a lot of style, it was a lot of fun. I'm just
like immediately curious to kind of learn some combos and learn some of these mechanics.
I wasn't quite rocking yet. Funny game, definitely fun. Jack EEG
says, I'm not really a funning game guy, but I spent so much
time on Teching five back in the day. Haven't returned to me a long
time. But I'm certain, I would still love it. Now, what
else are considered the good tech ins episode? It's five? Like yeah,
if people are saying what is the best tech and they will say three or
five? Okay, interesting? Yeah, I think three is just like if
we're talking about tech in we would say three because it's, um, it's
more universal amongst both the casual acts or something impressive about it being that good
on the original PlayStation right yeah yeah, um. Big Tony says Bloody Roar
two, which, hey, I respect, but I have a Bloody Roar
game for game que but it's the one with a subtitle you get remember a
pursuit turns it to a bunny interest in game. Uh, sleepy Dad says
Marvel versus Capcom three, which hit at the perfect time for them in college.
Uh, that came out around the same time for me, so I
definitely respect that choice. As we discuss at the top, UMBC three or
Marvel two are both like very eligible would be on this list. Uh.
Punished Rose says Blaze Blue Cross Tag Battle, which hey, you know are
a good game as own, right if you're gonna look at the r w
By characters or whatever, the Ruby characters, Yes, yes, it is,
and I love it for it because I love Ruby. That's the game
that's right, Tool one or whatever. They say, No can keep track
of all those uh fud Sachs says Power Stone, which we just mentioned a
little big. Dugan says is not a new one. Dugan says cowards and
puts in Star Wars Masters a Terrace. Cossie. There you go. Jeff
rubs actual favorite fighting games. Yes, absolutely, yeah, with Thuk and
Horror that's it. Horror, Yeah, Mara Jade of course. Yeah,
all the stars are here, everybody. Kassau says. Smash Ultimate joins the
debate, and it certainly did earlier on EVO. Janis says WW have No
Mercy, which quite the type of game we're looking for. But fighting games,
like I do, consider that its own John refers everything. Even though
obviously very close to fighting games, fighting game adjacent wrestling are just sort of
their own things. It is sort of its own thing. But even then,
like I wouldn't actually take Eddie fighting game over some of these, all
of these. Scream Man puts one in here. I actually did see this
one earlier and it's a little longer by I'm going to read this quickly,
he says it may not make our top ten, but I want to give
a show to them's fighting herds, the ultimate don't judge a book by its
cover game. I bought TFH Morbid Curiosity in twenty twenty and shockingly loved it.
Amazing necode, a satisfying fighting system, a fighting game RPG, hybrid
story mode, and dynamic music where it changes based on which character is winning
are some of them. Many reasons why this is my personal faifying game.
So, Mike, if you're not aware, this is the game that originally
started as like a my Little Pony fan fighting game, and then they got
the season desist from Hasbro so they had to turn into its own thing.
It's a good story because like they got like the artist from MLP to like
do original designs for them and everything. It's actually really cool and scream Man
is right. I see Christian backing and stuff over in the chat there,
like this, are you Brownie? Not even remotely? And that's why I
checked this out Morbid Curiosity after seeing the documentary on how it was made,
because my favorite like um FTC channel, did documentary on it. I was
like, really that the pony game and then I played it and it is
very fun. Mike is actually a very fun game. Uh yeah, I
want to say real quick, because the people in chat are upset that wrestling
games the count of smashbars count, all right, wrestling games officially count,
and we are not including any. Yeah, does that make you feel better?
Versus row two thousand and sixth of the game rules. Seffroth himself is
nominating the game he's in Super Smash Bars Ultimate A Sasquash Crossing says Moral Kombat
Too because I'm old and used to play it in the arcade. Man,
I mean that was such a big deal, just like I remember going to
an arcade and seeing Mortal Kombat Too for the first time. It was like,
I don't know why that felt important, especially after especially after all the
hearings and everything surrounding Moral Kombat. Like you know, you go and see
MK two, like what is this all about? And it is just it's
a step up from one. Like back then, the digitized graphics looked incredible.
CRT Reptile was playable. I like, there's there's more than one girl?
Is that even allowed? Oh they got rid of the other girl?
Never mind, you know, it's good stuff. Uh Uh, Okay,
miss THEO who frequently gives me crap for my choice of video game wife,
who's uh coming out with a banger here? Nominating Dead or Alive one and
she leads with it's not why yet think I sort of guys, it's not
what it looks like. To paraphrase a little bit here, she says that
it feels like a Virtua Fighter Light in terms of difficulty to spose complex in
some ways it is the Virtual Fighter engine, right. Um, I don't
know how this works because it's different companies, she says, the same arcade
board. So I assume there's some Yeah, I assume that's legit. I
don't know too much about this, actually you'll say for sure. Uh,
and goes on to say, you know, like the series got kind of
weird, but the first game was first game not that perfect? Is that
what you're insinuating? It's like, you know, Py Light, Oh,
we got jiggle physics right up, showing you a character's ass and they're ending
like that or a Life three Mike. We get to the point where I
can't remembers when I just watched Max's playthrough of it, did her Alive six?
I think just straight up has the youngest characters getting attacked by tentacle monster
in the story mode. It's just like they just they knew and they just
went for it. And we're not get respect. When you say youngest character,
you mean youngest, but legally the character who is exactly eighteen and nine
day older. Yeah, yeah, hell yeah. He Zipsis says, can't
believe asn't been said. All right, But Fighters Mega Mix which features of
course the Hornet, the Daytona car. Fighters Mega Mix rules again another kind
of beautiful mess of a game. But all these virtual fighter characters, all
these Fighting Vipers characters, Sonic the Fighters, and then just weird things like
the hornet from Daytona, like the Sega Am two Palm Tree logo. God,
this was a really fun game. I had a lot of good times
with this. It's maybe a little almost a little too silly to make the
list, but it is such a fun game. I will always stand Fighters
Mega Mix apps. It's very dumb, but it's like a dumb the best
it knows it's dumbed too. It knows what it is, and it's great.
Dan Parks says, Tech and seven is the reason we have the mock
or a good ass tech end. This might be the last year at EVO
for it, so it will be a culmination of everyone's hard work or a
past eight years. Terms of quality, Uh, tech and seven has it
all, which shouts to Tech and seven. I think it is a good,
well rounded package. It's just the fighting I think least some to something
I'd be desire for. Serely scuttle button techonadio. People seem happy or people
skeptical. What are people making? Mixed? People are mixed. I think
they like it overall, but there's some concerns about more meta stuff, like
the net code isn't a huge step up. It seems like it's just the
improved version of Tech and sevens which was not good. So we'll see all
that turns out. But I think in general people are excited about Technadian generally
speaking. UH Carl Manger says, air guys, I need a Diablo like
in my fighting game. Oh God, bless the ring ye Bay seven characters.
It is yes, very prominently featured. Ogto says, I suck at
fighting game, so casual to the cater to the casuals. I nominate nid
Hog or Samurai on the bad Guy from Final Fantasy fourteen Heaven's Ward correctly acclaimed
expansion. I here it is. I've never heard of a Samurai Gun by
nitog Samurai Gun either. Yeah, Buggadillo says Saturday Night Slam Masters that Capcom
wrestling game from Apparently I'm bad at picking out dates from the nineties, so
I want to say the mid nineties for this mid nineties, probably not early
nineties. It was it was a Super Nintendo game, so I had to
be something. I never really played much of this, which is weird since
I like wrestling and I like Capcom. I just heard about the sequel,
which I didn't even know exist because it is only in arcades and it's just
much more of a straight up two D fighting game with less kind of wrestling
stuff, although it's still there. Uh. Tokyo Game Life says Bariki one
never heard of Apparently you attack with the joysticks? Is that what we're doing?
Got him? Vision forty nine says I'm only half joking when I say
the dual mode on the Xbox and PS two parts the Revenge of the Sith
game. I do remember that having a versus fighting game thing. Not making
a list but shout outs. Um hosp says that they're just gonna throw out
arms and run away, which good, try, good try. J D.
Camp says A Fight Night Champions, the slow mo chaos shouts with the
sweat flying off never gets old. I never again, I don't. It's
like boxing games aren't the first thing come to my mind, the best actual
like boxing game that's not punch Out, which isn't that's definitely not a fighting
game. But like remember a Fight Night was fun, not Fight Night.
Ready to rumble, righty rumble, righty rumble? Yeah, I like right
rumbo definitely making it. But it was fun. Yeah, Rumham says Smash
Ultimate which isn't just a party game, but Doubles is the one if you
use items, I'm sus fuck off Bench said, so you've been playing that
Street Fighters six items mode, Sean, huh, because it's so much where
fun when you play in items right? Oh yeah, but you played all
the time. I bet you can't get enough of that having the bulls charge
in it's so fun and wacky. Can't get enough fun? Yeah that's what
I thought. No, I played the default mode. As I played the
default mode and Smash weird how that works, right, you shut the hell
up. Next thing, Bench, Jac the Youngster nominag super Smash Flash two.
Oh that's cute. That's adorable. Good good try Bench shoutouts to running
that on your high school or middle school computer. Jeff grupp I said,
and chat that Rocky he is great in a fighting night and he's correct.
I played that Rocky game. What Yeah, well I had on Xbox.
That's a good game. That came was fun. Sucks shit you such ship?
Yeah, I've been told. Matt Rare Monkey says Oscar one twenty percent.
The cool thing is when the super par hits one twenty percent slowly drains
and you have iffinite supers during this time. Oh that's like an S and
K game when you go into like yeah max mode or whatever. Yeah Max
Man, uh sleeve mc dick exactly, Sleep mcdickle. Is that my name
is this sleep? Sleep Sleep at Austin they changed the name. Whoever you
are says Champions. Look, they're not a serious person. Drew Man says
fighting games aren't my jam. However, I did play Solcober two because Link
was in it, and that's definitely saying. That's influence on a lot of
people. Uh Pickman woolf five says, please, for the love of God,
put a teching game on there. Mike seems like someone who hates tech
In for no reason. Just you you, you've learned what it was because
I liked Virtual Fighter like Sega, and I resented tech In for a while
because of it. And BRODDI speaking, we do sadn't play a lot of
tech In. So hey, at least we're giving our shout out to tech
and three somewhere see Prono bounce, says Garo, Mark of the Wolves s
and K's response to thirds right that argue looks, sounds and plays better mmmm
also being more bounds. Also, I will say that at this moment,
I will actually feel worse than not having Garu than tech and three on the
list. I would actually say that. It's because I think I'd give you
that one. It's like representation just from what I've seen it. I don't
know, but we'll see, all right, well, we'll see. We're
almost done here, Uh Garu, where Wolves of London? You know?
Ller six ten says tech and three Please DMC depressed me crying says Smash sixty
four, The only smash where Kirby is good. They have a Kirby avatar
for the audiolist. Kirby is well. I forgot, I don't know what
where the pets were. Kirby wasn't terrible and for an ultimate was he?
I don't know. I liked playing as Kirby in those least. Yeah,
Wong Gifts says, is, of course the lames a rob fighting game Arm
Joe. What, oh my god that Voles Jean versus the police, On
Valjean versus the police. This has to be like a meme or something.
There's no oh my god there, It's like some jankass Arxis game from like
two thousand and one. Change. Men like me can never change, he
says, just kidding to the law, you have no rights. Come with
me too for six so one. Now the wheel has turned around. Jean
Valjean is nothing. Now there you speak to me of crime and the price
you have to pay. Every man is born in sin. Every man must
find his way. You know nothing of javert. I was born inside of
jail. I was born with scum like you. I am from the cutter
too. But but but now in that song you're supposed to house you're so
thank you. This just to have Jean Valjean singing his bit too, and
I need a Jean Valjean to do this with me. So well, guess
well, I'm not fucking nerd mic, so I can't do that for you,
he says, just saying I've never played this. It's Marvel versus Capcom
two, which one's because of character selection and music. It's always always be
Corgi nominates Project Justice get some rival schools series representation. My rival schools Project
Justice Knowledge isn't like vast. I've played a bit of them and do like
them, but nothing crazy same that that's not why I played at Galloping Ghosts
and Talk Yeah, that's where I played. That's where I played it too.
Yeah. M and Goldie says Rival Schools and also Oscar one twenty percent.
ENUFE nominates Debt or Alive Too Ultimate for the OG Xbox or Debtor Alive
four for the three sixty, which I hear are both good, fine games.
I've seen that like Combo Peck of Debt or Live one and two Ultimate
on Xbox. At first, I was like, oh, maybe I could
just have three and that's fine, But now maybe I'll had to pick one
and two up. Also, sir meat, while it brings up a game
we haven't even mentioned yet, I will say Samurai Showdown. Yeah, I
was gonna ask about Samurai Showcase. Yeah, but you go ahead. What
did they have to say? Or Garo Marketables? So I think if we
put an S and K game on there, it would be Garo between the
two because sam show is just it's niche, like a game where you basically
like you when you die in like you know, two hits. It's like
it's gonna be niche, but it's cool. I don't like it, Like
when that lady did her Super movement she got naked during it. There's a
screen, so you know, you know, I mean Dan already put one
in here about it. I'll just say, oh, yeah, I know.
I shadn't my opinion, all right? Able to listen to the bass
guitar in the NVC two Carnival stage, which I won't play here because it
might break things, but yes, we knows. Well, yeah, all
right, people wouldn't hear anyways from your computer. I would have to play
it. Uh no, they're okay, they're here. Um, here's the
thing. Yes, we got to finalize this list. Yeah, and here's
my thing. Yeah, it's it's so tough. I feel bad about their
being two Smash Bros. Games, but we're kind of an impass because I'm
not gonna allow Melee to be taken off the list. I don't think you're
gonna allow Ultimate to be taken off the list. That's kind of an impast
there. Yeah, Ultimate is just too good. It is too good.
But like it would not it would not be a list I took part in
if Melee wasn't on it, Like I feel that strongly about it, right,
it'd be weird to me in a way. Um, which one of
the ones that aren't on there? Do you want to put on the most?
I would say, I'm just gonna say it right now, I'm gonna
make executive decisions. Three Fire six, I'm just gonna say, too recent,
going considerate. Plus it just kind of gives us it out on that
because it is good, right, Yeah, so that to be clear,
Me and my me and Might both loves love. It's fantastic. I'm traveling
to freaking Las Vegas to play three First six. Yeah, I love that
game. Um person for a rene um not quite. I'm not quite feeling
that one, okay, And the same with Powerstone two Parston two, we
are like, okay, interesting. I mean, I'll tell you I kind
of want Grue to get on the list a bit. It's really good.
I think it'd be a shame. I think it makes us our list look
a little unserious without a straight up s m K game on there. And
I think Aru's the best of them, I of the little I've played of
both Teken and Garo. Because here's the thing, here's the thing, Mike,
I would actually say Dragon Ball Fighters overall over both of those. Yeah,
I mean, look, I get it. I just I don't know.
My enthusiasm is only so high for that one, which I which I
understand because you haven't really liked. Yeah, you are writ in terms of
like we there should be an art System game on there as Yeah, and
I just feel like that's the one, even though it's basically a Marl versus
Capcom game, Like it can't be understated how big Dragon Ball Fighters was,
right, And then I also feel, yeah, then I feel bad about
tec In All right, let let's okay, let's let's run down the list
really well. Hold On had Haunt let's run down list for the audio listeners
real quick. Yeah. From one to ten, we currently have Street Fire
three, Third Strike, Marvel Versus, Capcom two, Super Smash Brothers,
Ultimate, Killer, Instinct twenty thirteen, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Soul
Caliber two, Capcom Versus s and K two, Vampires Savior, Ultimate,
Marl Ultimate, Mortal Kombat three, and tech In three. There's is there
any way I could talk you into letting Melee just be the Smash Brothers representative.
No, Ultimate, I can't. I can't do it. I just
can't even do it. It's it's in playing with You don't even care about
the game. Clear, you don't even play it for real, Like,
why do you care? It's insane to me that anyone would make a list
where there is a Smash game and you don't include Ultimate because of again,
the package. You really obsessed with packages. Um, okay, I think
maybe we should get rid of Ultimate Mortal Kombat three. Actually I don't know
a moral Kombat there. I don't know if it's as important as Grue anyways,
Like this, this sign up rules. This feels so weird to me
to say, yeah, I'm okay with a Mortal Kombat not being on here.
Yeah, Mortal Kombat's always been more and I know it's been better about
that recently. It's been a little bit flash over substance. It always has
been. So I think we're in agreement, like either nine or ten and
feels like the ones that we don't super care about Ultimate Ultimate Moor Kombat three
or tech In three. I somehow feel worse taking tech On off than Mortal
Kombat, even though Mortal Kombat three means so much more to me. Yeah,
I think if we, like, if someone went back, I think
they would find more to like in tech and three if they actually got into
it, rather than Mortal Kombat. Yeah, I think Mortal cart three.
I think you had to be there. I don't think anybody's to play Mortal
Kombat three now and appreciate it. All Right here, I'll we'll go over
this for the audio listeners, but let me rearrange things a little bit here,
And how does how does this feel to you? This list of ten?
Like if we if we take UMK three off, put Garo on at
the bottom, and then tech In sticks around at nine, that that looks
pretty good to me. It looks like it looks like an US leaning list,
which, hey, it's our list. We get the right to do
so. But I think it's a good list. I think it's a good
list. Okay, yeah, I like The one thing I want to ask
about is how do you how strongly do you feel about CVS two? Not
that strongly. I could go lower, but it stays on the list.
Oh, I say thet Okay, if it's staying on the it's staying on
the list. I think that's fine because as much as I love the Dark
Stalkers series, I recognize that Vampire Savior being at like eight is like probably
where it deserves to be. Yahause he's about right to me because it because
like it's it's in part there because of my love war, but also like
in part influence. I think that feels right all right. So then how
do you feel about the order here? Generally? Pretty pretty good to me?
Actually, I mean I think it's like generally good, you know,
or being that high as that that's your just I could I can move I
can move it down. I could move it down a little, but it
is an if you know, you know situation, yeah, plus it you
know, then it looks nicer having the two Smash players games separated separated by
something. Yeah, something some work there. Uh. Dan park is pointing
out Visa is in there because the Midwest show and you're not wrong. Uh,
Mike, I don't know if you know this. The the Vampire Savior
Capital of the World is in Ohio. What that's where everyone gathers from around
the world for their like world championship. Where in Ohio it's at one of
the arcades. I can't remember or something like that. Yeah, someone in
cham might know. But that's right, Since that's right, base will be
another state as far as I'm concerned, so far away, okay, Um,
I'm just looking at once over I think in general just looks good.
Yeah. Again, you know a Mike and Sean leaning list by a good
list over all right, all right, we're locking in then rheing it off
for the audio listeners, we'll go to bomb the top one more time.
Number ten is Garo Marcola, Wolves, Number nine is Tech and three,
number eight Vampire Savior, Number seven, Capcom Versus Asking K two, Number
six Soul Caliber two. And the top five we have number five Super Smash
Brothers, Meller Theatri Alone, Number four Killer Instinct, twenty thirteen, coming
to your home only on Xbox one, Number three, Super Smatch, Blarsultimate,
Number two, Marvel Versus Capcom two, and number one, Street Fire
three, Third Strike. That's our list. We're sticking to it, and
if you don't like it, you can go make your own. This is
a competent chat. I said, a great list for casual fighting gamers and
that is just so passive, aggressive, incredible. Oh yeah, I think
it's a good list. You know too. Yeah? Hey if if if
two Smash Brothers bothers, you just imagine one of them's gone into Ultimate ball
Fighters. Yeah, girls, getting girl. Ah yeah, I like it.
I have to play all these games. We did good, Mike,
we did good. Yeah, and um this guy's I saw street Someone could
play about the Street Fighter two again. So again it feels good for me
to say this for once Boomer. Uh oh, Jeff Grab say, do
you even know who Cassandra Kate is? And I tell you about this Sean
No. Yeah. Like when we were playing Backgroub, but it was like
there's some bad girls, like who's this backgirl? I thought Barbara Gordon was
backgirl and he would try like obviously that's Cassandra Cage. Yeah, I laughed.
Then there's like some comment like, well, these guys don't even know
Cassandra. Kate is uh, they're there's such a main street batman and I'm
like, what is he? What is the opposite of a household name?
You know? Because that's what I can say. Kane is all right,
everybody, We're gonna take one last short break. We'll get back, We'll
talk a little bit about some games we've been playing. We'll wrap up here.
Alrighty, we are back. Sean, what have you been playing?
Would you believe it? Whole lot of street fires six? There you go.
You're doing that rashid life. Oh hell, no, fucker shit.
I've been playing manon I mentioned, I mentioned to you and Christian when you're
talking about the r night. But um, she feels sort of like that
Laura role, the Alex role, that like highbread rappler, sort of like
doing our things. So that the h that's who I've been playing. Well,
you danced around her a little bit. But I am going to EVO
next weekend. That's in part while we're doing this is because you know Evo's
coming up next weekend. Make sure to watch everyone. I might there's the
smallest possibility I might have a streamed match, so I'll tweet out if I
do. Okay, uh, if I win my first match, I will
get to play against Foodo, one of the best fighter players in the world.
Oh, Christian, I'm gonna fucking die man. Bro No, don't
worry, Bro, you gott You're gonna get it. Yeah, my my
platinum No and telling me all the way to go. I could be in
the tournament. Yeah, your invited there once invite. Yeah, they won't
believe it when they see my lily. I rest. You haven't played in
a couple of weeks, but yeah, uh but yeah, that's been taking
up a lot of my time a single player wise. Uh, you know,
I play. I beat Tears of the Kingdom not too long ago.
We had the whole discussion that's up on the YouTube channel being right now.
That is where we got that isn't there. That's why those people are beating
it right now. Thank you, Jeff, thank you. Get some squid
word. Um. But the larg I've been playing was Foul Fantasy sixteen,
which i'd beat. I beat a while ago, and now I'd beat that.
Yeah, most people are beating I got, i'd be like two weeks
ago. Um, and it is. I have thoughts about I definitely want
to talk to you about May maybe we find someplace to talk about this more
in death. But yeah, I still need to play more of it.
Yeah, how far are you? Like I got? I did the freak
fight, not like the first you know, you're pretty early. I am
like, okay, it took me again. It's just I don't spend that
much time in my living room playing games anymore, so I gotta just kind
of really force myself back in there. Yeah. Um, but like you
know, in summary, no spoiler opinion on um, I think it's very
good, but it's weird. It's a lacking in some ways. Um,
the story is I'm just gonna say, because people maybe almost like stop talking
about they just like jump to it's bad. It's problematic in a lot of
ways. Interesting, Okay, it does because like Basy fourteen, especially the
layers, pansions, the big takeaway, it's just how amazing the story is.
So I find it a little concerning that that is not people's takeaway because
it's yeah, people, it's just you know, it's the same. It
feels like it feels like it wasn't made by them, which is so weird.
It feels like the story is not a creative team three or whatever.
It doesn't create a business unit, business unit, thank you or whatever it
is. It's it's three. I can't remember the world. Um. But
yeah, the story is messy. The gameplay is really good, and then,
like character action games a lot, I love character action games, and
that's kind of the problem with this, and um, I told this to
you the r night, but it feels like it's balanced like a character action
game, which does mean that's easy because you're supposed to show off in character
action games, and you know, people are used to RPGs having progressive difficulty.
Even in the jobber fights, it just feels like you are kind of
like whacking like sort of soulless puppets a lot of the time, and then
you're just trying to get to the big icon fights, which was a problem
I had for must much of the game. It gets better at the end,
I feel, but the problem is it's a forty hour game. In
character action is often good because it's you know, liking that ten to fifteen
hours, and so it almost feels like they made an incredible character action game
and then like shoehorned in the Final Fantasy story to make it a Final Fantasy
game and stretched out to forty hours. So I'm very conflicted on my thoughts
are still forming a little bit, but I think it's a very good game
that is weirdly simultaneously I returned to form profile Fantasy and also messy in ways
that fifteen wasn't. It's like a different kind of right, because fifteen's messy,
but fifteen's messy and a lot of we're we wear our production problems on
our sleeve. Kind yeah, fifteen was development hell MESSI this is problematic decisions
mess Okay, Yeah, yeah, I've definitely gonna try to play more,
try to I mean I thought in my staycation I was gonna like play the
rest of it. Didn't touch it. I will say, Mike, you
haven't even gotten to remotely the best of the Icon fights, and that I
think it's enough to keep your playing. I mean, they were even just
the starting one, right, and you know as far at this point,
the phoenix E free one is so freaking cool. They go full two Towers
with it, and I'm a fan of that. Yo, that's by far
the worst one. Okay, it gets good. I think it's already better
than the Garuda one. But if he's said, okay, uh gosh,
but anything else Sean No, that's basically it for me. Jesscau Street Fire
Sex have been taken up so much time, what you've been up to kind
of still a lot of Diablo four actually, just kind of was playing the
season, playing with my brothers, playing it to kill some time here and
there. But you know, it is more Diablo four. I'm still having
fun with that. Actually. I think one of they supposed to do another
developer team tomorrow because they have to explain their their patch to make sorceresses and
barbarians better and stuff like that. Well, situation over there, yeah,
the community is very much in full on we hate everything though. That's like
that's like always the problem Blizzard games is once you start slipping, everything starts
annoying those people, they're gonna start complaining about everything. Well, play all
Overwatch, so trust me, I know I World work Craft all the time.
Oddly enough, not right now. They're players, I think are pretty
happy they liked this expansion. So it's the world warcrafts doing Okay, Christian
sad word playing Rimnant too, I don't know, doesn't really look like my
thing. That game both looks beautiful and also incredibly boring to me graphically.
I mean, that's how I feel about all souls of games. I'm just
I'm not even getting touched this. Let's see, there's just so many things.
I mean, I'm also just still playing a lot of fun Fantasy five
and actually kind of kind of an act three on that one, which is
good because there's other things I want to play, even on my switch,
like Pickman, like Bicky Lucian Island. So yeah, it's like if ably
had a little break and it already feels like that's kind of at a end
and things are you make good games? Like when did games get good again?
Yeah? Right? What thecredible? All right, let's think we've got
a couple more super chets here. This one's from Josh P. Wiggs says,
the fuck is this? I come for Jeff Scrub and not Turbo yawn
weeky face like that. Uh, and then El Greg says, what games
with Christian put on the list instead? I'm giving money so he has to
talk during the main podcast. Now, Okay, come out of your hole
for a second. Wait what, I was distracted and I wasn't even listening
to this one. Yeah, give us, give us like one or two
changes you would make to our top tip. Yeah, I would quarterfin a
Nindea first. And that's it because yeah, before, before ninety eight,
games didn't have style, and after they all got style. All video games
before King of Fighters and ninety eight didn't matter. I respect it. I
respect the choice. All right, thank you number one. I respect the
choice. Thank you, Christian. All right, everybody, I think,
thank you, thank you. I'm gonna start wrapping it up for us.
Now do I have this sundstrow play in a second here, But Sean first,
tell everybody where can they find more of yet? You've been doing good
work over at Giant Bomb, thank you. Yeah. Um. Personally,
you can find me on the Shambling Corpse of Twitter, at Turbo Shan Underscore
and at most our places as Turbo Sean Shaw and I'm on Blue Sky.
Hey it seems like that might be where we're going, So check me out
there if you're on there, Um, twitterat TV slash Turbo Shan. I
know, like you know, some people have been missing my streams. I
do plan to get back to those after I get back from EVO. I'm
not training in street art, sex and stuff. Picked up song frontiers in
the Steam Summer sale, like sit, try that out. Here we go
and then yeah, professionally a giant Bomb. Follow us on social media where
I post as I've been calling them the mini Bombs, the little short edited
highlight reel clips I put up on Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, all usual
places. So check him out and share him around, really appreciate that.
Yeah, this is a good stuff, a new one with a backgrub in
his special keys, very stroke in joking. Yeah, there we go.
Fantastic, all right, everybody. I think I am going to be on
Professional Fridays tomorrow on Giant Bombs, so you know, Jeff won't be there
and I will, so it'll probably the best one. Yeah, I'm looking
forward that I'm gonna start playing this music, which Sean actually probably would' even
be able to hear. Willie, I thought it was already playing. Mike,
No, I should have played it earlier. I was like, nah,
sometimes I do it too late and we had to start running to finish
talking. So it is Oh, I think I need to hire the voluere
again. That's okay. You got plenty of time to tell people all the
things that you're up to on the internet. Well, well, we have
the poll glam right now for the game mess Game Club in our choices.
There are some game I never heard of, Uh, Super METROI with Sean
is excited about, and um a third game. Sean helped me out.
You made the poll, don't you read Sexy Brutel and then Wilds not Outer
World outer a wild I don't know. That's confusing. Yeah, so we're
not we'll end that poll at the end of the month. We're not doing
our discussion for return of the oberdent to a little bit later, kind of
start it next month. It's because Sean's going to EVO. He's going to
be busy. Yeah, the same thing with Jeopardy. Everybody not happening tomorrow.
Not happen to get the patron content. We'll get to it the week
of August seventh. Your boys need vacations, thanks, grab out out everything.
They're getting delayed. Just as watch Jeff's back to We're gonna figure out
that Colombo podcast the Columbos, which I as soon would just be we we'll
each watch, we'll watch an episode Colombo, and then we'll talk about it.
There we go, starting with that first Steven Spielberg directed one, which
is really famous. You know, this is a good chance for all of
you to be watching the Colombo with us, as you should be. Have
you ever if you watched much Colombo? Sean, I've seen Colombo. I
haven't watched much of but yes, I've seen in passing. All Right,
you just seen Colombo. I live. I lived the Columbo. I was
by it. I was there, I was there when the Colombo Wars happened.
Yeah, exactly like that. Oh, I'm tired of vamping. I
should have absolutely played this song better. Jeff would have done such a much
better job with that. Yeah, he gets things right, he has some
things before we like four hour Enjoy. Most people are beating right, yeah,
Oh, let's freaky go alrighty, let's set up this next okay,
alright, uh yeah, I got good again? And all right, okay,
oh am, I gonna do this because I have to keep you big,
and you have a four case screen, so as long as you keep
the discard window pretty good, it should be. Yeah, you have their
own late late layout for this No, no, no, yeah, I'll
figure it out. Be good enough to worry now you need just over lay
it over the window if you need to on top. That's rated last time.
It's fine, It'll be good enough. It's me Hi, Hello,
me Hi. Sean's the problem. It's me Yeah. Yeah, it does
sound like so need Sir Sean always agrees I have the right background image for
this episode. This is perfect, Felicia. Let's go just duplicate this.
Oh good god, I agreed. Doctor Mike has been good guests so far.
Incredible. I will the fan PlayStation All Star batteryal until I die.
It's a good game game. I love that. I think I think just
this the HP mode should have been the default. I think that would be
enough to set apart from Smash but I like I like that one. No,
I like the default that you have to use your super to kill people.
Yeah, like I do. Right, there's specials, but Super.
I was drinking so many motherfuckers with that shit. It's like, oh,
yeah, you're you're gonna you're using your Super. She's gonna say mine a
a little while, alright, see him with this good reverse course technique.
Microphone it looks fine. It's fine, that's not a big deal. Yeah
yeah, I was going in the bathroom that we can do this. All
right, sounds good, b RB. Everybody alright, Christians, our time
Shine? What the fuck likes case six? Bro? I don't know anyone
from that. Everybody think I hate k six. It was like, I
think you actually said I hate Kate six one time, like when they brought
him back or whatever. You're you're like, man, fuck this guy.
No, No, I like, it's just like they definitely killed him because
he wasn't like I don't know why people think like, okay, si,
he's like the face of Destiny, who's never like that, Oh my camera
is frozen? Why were my dead? Oh? Because he might click it
away, don't worry what Oh yeah probably yeah he probably he probably minimized discorscord.
Yeah yeah, all right, it's okay. Well, oh no,
you're not missing anything. I looked basically the same. That's that was the
whole thing with Destiny too. When it came out it was K six and
Sabala, there was like, you know, it was like they tried to
make the game like jokey and serious at the same time. I see ye
yeah. Once I was like, oh it's jokey. All the trailers of
Sabala were like serious storytelling shit, and all the all the K six trailers
who are like four world breaking jokes and stuffy? Did you minimize discorder?
So on? Why? Because I and yeah, I probably did do that
by accident. Good work, all right, I think we're ready to go.
That's me who realized. But it's okay, actually be if who realized.
But good job everybody. I didn't team effort. It was a team
effort. Now she sold me. Please one, all right? All right,
well, let's get a good pause in there for Christian and then we'll
get into this. Alrighty, so it shouldn't be too hard to set up.
It's just's gonna yeah, I'll just switch the window instead. Let's see
change window and then let me get the drink while you do that. Then
let's see how this shows up for you. Yeah, you will have to
it looks for comments, all right, I just crap out the address bar.
I'm sorry, Mac, I can't really hear you. Yeah, sorry,
I'm you all got to like read the suggestions from the community, because
oh yeah, I got those pulled up too, Okay, good cool.
He's on Deceney plus by the way. So if you want to have nightmares
with those puppets quote unquote gorgeous puppets, I mean I feel like I feel
like you're just speaking from a point of not liking puppets at all. No,
I'm I'm okay with puppets. But this shit, this is like very
nineties puppet animatronic shit that is like candy fucking scary nowadays. I've never been
a huge puppet guy, so they've always like a little look like complex and
like they they seem to have lots of moving part arts now, bro.
Yeah, I mean they're impressive. They've always been impressive. That's what I'll
give them cry for. But I don't know even even some of the sesame
streets stuff while I was a kid, never really never really left a good
impression on me. Some of them creep me out a little bit. There's
a little bit out there, right. You can't blame beef hair for that.
One was funny. That's funny. Maybe just crop out the top there,
Yeah, absolutely no, I don't want to see your porn tips.
Wow. Wow, took out my bookmarks bar and everything. Uh yeah,
that'll be fine. That'll be fine. I'm just scroll up a little bit
when I'm gonna use this space below. Okay, well then so so leave.
Yeah, I'll leave like some below there go. Yeah, for like
honorable mentions and stuff. I scrolled between them. But yeah, you'd probably
just put this below. Look at you, you're a pro. You're a
obs. Now you can cans we here on look a new skill. Obs.
I haven't learned like Mike. I know we agreed no joke banning,
but I really want a band wolf for seeing that brawls the goat. Look
I do too. If he keeps, will warn him he's been warning.
That's your Zomer warning exactly. All right, let's do a pause. We'll
get back in here. Okay before that, are you gonna do another after
after this list? Can you do like another pause, like a small like
we've been right back after this messages or whatever. We'll do another break before
you. Yeah, She's do a break like and then continue. She's give
it a small gap, a small break out this Yeah, the good restroom
real quick? Actually yeah, same Christian ertain the people talk to people about
how you hate our list, Yeah, I tell people how good our list
is Oh no, I'm sick. I'm I'm I'm sniffing a lot, my
allergies. You made me talk now, what the fuck? I child?
Yeah, they made they made that. Yes, they both of them.
Yes man, No, no, Keen a fighter, that's my stop.
I would put Keen a fighter first, motherfucker. I can't change the list.
Listen, this is their list. I don't want anything to do with
this list. By the way, I don't want I don't want to be
This is like a crime that I don't want to be associated with this like
I would have. I would have picked like five of the games that are
on this list of ten, straight up. But yeah, whatever, it's
their list. They put their name on it, so I don't know.
If there's a god, they should be punished. That's what I believe.
Sorry, my my, my allergies are acting up. I rude wolves London.
I don't forgive the list. It's great. Yeah it's pretty good,
pretty good list. Well, thank you appreciate that. Got a fixed on
here. Good thing. Now it's gone. I look at that beer back
I cut too. Yeah, it has a beer back. Why don't you
have a d I thought you were a professional. No, I'm I'm a
fraud. Oh that's right, I have to I'm allert shic to bullshit.
Yes, wow, very cool. I don't know what you're telling they experience
here. I don't know. Why, what's this? Why am I full
of shit? I don't know. I don't know. I know I love
the list I was telling the child will pick everygain. Okay, I don't
believe you anymore. I think I think you're lying. I'm know, like
you know, I can't lie impossible to Jeff's asking if your hourgies are actually
just COVID again, No, it's I hope it's not COVID. Are you
like casting on a fucking maybe? We do know that Jeff has witch powers.
He does, Yeah, he's a I mean I think he lost his
powers when he cut his hair. Oh right, well this has been growing
back, though I think it never it doesn't come back. It's just gone
forever in the waters a little bit, and you know, He's like,
I'm gonna I'm gonna see if you like give this guy COVID. Man,
I'm gonna that stuck in my head better than the Patriot theme song I've had
stuck in my head for the last week the Patriot theme song No one knows
it. It's Somebud's an obscure John Williams score from some weird uh like two
thousand era bizarrely American patriotic movie with Mel Gibson, then by Roland Emeric during
his Independence Day glow. I'm pretty good at among us. Yeah that's right.
Yeah, you're pretty good, but not because I lie. It's because
I'm really good at doing the tasks. I'll learn every task really fast.
Matt Lhar's right, Yeah, it was like they're trying to uh, the
Patriot was just trying to make Brave Heart in the like a revolutionary war.
Brave Heart doesn't really work. But he's not very good ki go, but
the score it's very good and odo from start check the Space nine's in it.
They kill him but he's in it. Oh no, and you know,
yes, well he's also actually dead too, so that's that still applies.
We're wolves, blunder. I mean I know why that second's watching again
tonight. I don't think so. Speaking of musicals, taking him is a
cool I don't think he's seen it four times now, maybe five times.
I was say angry he was just watching it. Once. I can't believe
he watched it four fucking times? You shit did? Are you talking about
that goddamn movie again? Every now? Every time? Mike scene? So
I think about that movie, you know? All right? Righty, get
ohit, turn your camera back on. Ye. Okay, let's make sure
you're lying, by the way, before people think I'm a fade Dark Soccers
fan. I remember when I said ninety one, Nick, remind me that's
when The Street Fire two came out. So you go, there, you
go, No, that's not the right thing. This is the right thing.
Okay, you got me in the right place. He chopped your head
off, but yeah, double your head off. That's good enough. All
right, there we go. Okay, we'll do a pausible come right back, right,