Hey, everybody, Welcome to the episode of Challenges the podcast all about the
challenge as always. I am Brian uh sitting in uh Minnesota. Is Carlin
San Diego and once again sitting a work Zachie Bananas. Nothing creative today because
I'm sick, so you're gonna have to deal with it. So I just
realized, is sweet in the chat room? Is that actually joker? Or
is that sweet Uncle Tea? That's joker? Okay. I was just trying
to figure out why his what his last comment was about. And yeah,
so for all the thus you haven't figured it out yet, we have no
sweet Uncle iced tea or whatever. This weekend he's at a conference or some
porn thing. I don't know. Hey, porn convention would be fun to
go to all the time. There was just one Chicago. Hey, at
the end of this year, if we need to, you know, spend
the rest of that budget we have, we know what to deal with it
now, porn convention, that's right, And we could go find Dustin at
the place. Oh oh man, I think he's probably hung up his hat
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did not write down the name of the episode. It's episode six though I
completely forgot to write down the name of the episode. But whatever. Uh.
It started with Lee Roy being our previously on person and I actually really
enjoyed this one. It starts off with him holding a big heavy weight bag
and having to do multiple takes what he's trying to say, and then they
finally they start the you know previously on and it goes into you know,
what happened last week and whatnot. But he cracks jokes but a few different
people. He it focuses on Cam and he talks about how hot she is
at one point in time. It just I loved how wholesome he was.
I thought it was great. I did love the behind the scenes of all
his mess ups. And just for the record, the episode the episode was
called Karma Maria. That's right. Uh yeah, it made me think of
ten take tj Yes, oh Lera is getting a taste of that. It's
great. Uh. So we go straight back into the house with Leroy walking
in and Cam is super proud of him. He just won the elimination.
She's really happy that he is back in the house, that he's got his
star. I love their relationship. They're one of the one of the only
relationships in this house, in any Challenge house that I have really enjoyed.
I think it's just because I like Leroy so much. Yeah, uh,
what was that. I just said. LeRoy's great, so it's hard to
not like him. Yeah. We get a quick flash to Kara talking to
I think Jay saying that she's not actively going for Cam and Leroy, but
she's also she feels a little weird and like doesn't feel like she can go
and talk to them about what happened last week and about Leroy getting voted in.
And she also makes a comment of like, because Leroy now has a
star, she has to kind of keep him and Cam out of the elimination
because if she, if Cam goes into the elimination, the Cam's gonna try
and take her star. But I don't know it was I feel like it's
just one of those things where she should have just walked over there and like
an adult, had an actual conversation. But the last time that conversation tried
to happen. It failed miserably. M Now she's just proving that old Car
is not back. It's still very self entitled Car, and it's kind of
annoying, kind of annoying this episode. I put the majority of this still
on Cam. I feel like Car tried to go do the right thing,
and I think Cam is the one that wouldn't, you know, make peace.
Yeah, yeah, oh well we also get oh she was talking to
Ryan, That's what it was. Because Ryan then gets a quick confessional thing
about how he is kind of playing both sides, trying to keep both sides
happy because that's the only way that he's going to be able to make it
to the end of the game. But he's a fluff player and he's not
going to make it to the end of the game except to be a sorry
I have I have a growley little dog. You I do. She is
desperately trying to get me to play with a ball and it's just not gonna
happen. Yeah, So Ryan's talking about how he is to play both sides.
Then we get a great Carra given us this great little montage of because
they have no TV channel and they have no TV. They have nothing to
do in the house. You've got two different TV channels. You can watch
Steve in the Wild and Aces in Places. And I would like to say
that there's probably a third channel that doesn't have a very fun name, but
it's the toxic relationship between Nicole and Laurel. Because yes, Steve makes a
weight bag out of shoe strings and duct tape zip ties and duct tape stuff.
How do you do not love him? I think he is the greatest
character we've had in a long time. I just I think he's creepy.
There's something about him that gives me the ick. Part of me thinks it's
the really stringing long hair, but I don't know. There's just it's the
it's the he's always do. I realize that he's a hand model, but
he's always doing things with his hands, and I don't know. He just
there's something about him that gives me the ick. And I don't know.
I just yeah, no, thank you. He's quickly moving up my list
of favorites. He had a lot of confessionals this week. I thought he
was going home because he had a lot of confessionals this week. I should
have picked him on my Well, at least you picked somebody. Congratulations,
Steve. I completely forgot to pick my picks this past week in the Public
League and bombed royally. Sorry, I'm still I'm still thirty third place.
So it happens, well, we are already onto the challenge, how smack.
So the challenge is called take a Seat. It's happening on a big,
giant soccer pitch. I believe we've had competitions there in previous seasons before.
It looks familiar. The game is basically musical chairs, or at least
the first phase of the game is musical chairs. They are competing in pairs
and they have to TEAJ is going to call out a section, row and
set of seats and they have to run across the field to that area and
get the seats, and the last person to get a seat or to not
get a seat, they and their partner are out for that round. They
do this five times notable partners. Apparently Kara has been paired with Ace on
all of the other challenges, so he's a little offended because she chooses Jay
this time. Turns out to be a bad choice. Brad and Laurel,
which I thought was a super strong pair also turns out to be a bad
choice Cam and Leroy. They finally pair up, which I mean, of
all the pair, all of all the challenges so far to do, I
don't think this is a bad one for them to be paired on. And
then we get a super fluff team of Derek and Jazz, and then we've
got a grouping of others. I just didn't write all of them. Now
those are just ones that I noted. Yeah, so phase one, the
TJ calls out the area that they're supposed to go sit down, and they
take off running and Lee Roy goes into a section and then Cam goes,
what are you doing? And he realizes that he's in the wrong section,
but Brad has followed him into this section, and Laurel's yelling at Brad,
what are you doing? And so they both kind of get back in line.
They're running some more and Brad fucking up causes him and Laurel to be
the first team out, and TJ, over the loudspeaker says, Brad's out
shockerund really funny. Oh, I feel like yeah, I mean so,
I don't know if Wolf remember this MP Survivor, but I'm Thriver All Stars
when Colby came back, and I think that's shoes are still It's like it's
kind of like, you know, you grew up seeing Superman and now it's
more like, you know, uh, Superman in a fat suit. I
don't know who is. I mean, Brad is in better shape than he's
probably ever been in, but mentally he's just he's not doing well in this
game. Yeah, so I didn't really I didn't really run down on the
who else got out in this other notable things. Derek is fast as fuck,
right, I was gonna say, you just call him and Jasmine a
fluff team, and like I would agree, Jasmine is not the best.
I mean, Derek is not fluff at least in this shay. Okay,
So when I wrote that down, when they just paired up at that point
in time, I thought pure fluff team. And within the next five minutes
I was going, holy shit, Derek is kicking ass. I was so
surprised. Turns. Yeah, two time state champion and hurdles. That's that's
impressive. It is impressive. I mean it was fifteen years ago, but
that's still impressive. Same, uh Man is fast, he got he got
to the seats first every single time. No. I think the bad thing
about this for him, though, is I bet you a lot of those
people are looking at him being like I wouldn't want to have to foot race
him in the final. Yeah, yeah, yep, Yeah, he's definitely
up his game up over the last like he he may not be as much
of a fluff player as initially thought, but you know, CAVL at one
point in time injured his hamstring. Avery mentions that this is basically hallbrowl with
everybody because they're all kind of fighting each other for these seats. And then
we get to Phase two and the five teams of Phase one that did not
get out five for whatever. The teams that stayed through Phase one, they
had a thirty second advantage for phase two. Phase two was they had to
run from one side of the stadium to the other into this big giant section
where there are tokens like to the size of dinner plates laying all over the
place or hidden around that. Each team has to go and find a token.
When they find their token, they have to run back to TJ and
they can exchange it for a set of weighted blocks. All of the blocks
are different weights and you have to hang them from a scale so that both
sides balance out, and first team to do this wins. The bottom five
teams are going in or up for elimination. Ace gets to this puzzle and
goes, this is super easy. I don't understand why so many people are
having so much trouble with it. And he and Nicole, being that he's
partnered with Nicole and we know how she is with puzzles, they finished this
super fast and ultimately end up winning. He's like fucking rain Man on this,
like he just looks, yeah, yeah, it was impressive. He
went through really quickly, so he, Nicole and Ace win. The middle
group is Jay Kara who has a star, Adam, Flora, Ryan,
and Avery. And the bottom group is Leeroy who has a star, cam
Brad who has a star, Laurel, Tina, Kefla who has a star,
Derek and Jazz who also has a star, and then also Veronica who
has a star, and Steve. It is a very large, very stacked
group of people in that bottom and it makes a difference as to who has
stars in the bottom because it is a double little elimination. Yeah, we
immediately get a confessional from Cam saying that she wants to go in. She
wants to go in, she wants to get her star. She does not
want Leroy to go in. Yeah, and this is where I note that
Steve had a ton of confessionals, because by this point in time, I
think he'd had like five and everyone else that had maybe one. Mm hmmm.
Where're just flying through this episode, guys. I think we're gonna get
to Drummer and just want it. I have I have some discussion topics that
I want to know your thoughts on. So we're back at the house a
cha. We initially get Jay and Kara talking, and Kara immediately tells Jay,
I want this to be Jazz versus Veronica. Who are the other two
female star holders? Because she wants her star to be safe. And if
you put two star holders down there, either you have one star holder winning
and having an extra star that they have to give to someone, or you
have the winning girl going down against one of these girls and taking their star.
So either way, karus star is safe. Jay's not super keen on
this because he wants to have Jazz is back, so he's kind of noncommittal.
Wants Jay wants to have everybody's back. Yeah, well apparently so it's
jazz. Also also we get a quick uh shot of Kavla talking to his
wife and saying that he wants he wants to win to be able to open
up a mental health center, which is good for him, but that is
not enough money to do that, so you know. Uh. Then we
get a shot of Laurel and Nicole hooking up in the sauna. Vomit talk
about toxic relationship. Well, that's my favorite part. I think they're both
beautiful women. They there's something. I can agree that they are both good
looking women, but their relationship is just so ungodly toxic. I agree with
that. I get like it's just I get the ick from it. But
Veronica and Ryan catch them in the act or catch them post post coitus.
I found it rather entertaining all the just the banter between all of them.
What are you doing here? Yeah? After spending three hours in the sauna,
as Veronica like to say. Uh. We also get a shot of
Brad. I'm sure this was Tim's favorite shot. We get a shot of
Brad holding a hand towel around his waist, not not like a normal towel
from a shower, but a hand towel because apparently he's allergic to the detergent
and that was his way of dealing with it. I guess. But who's
he talking to? He's talking to Ryan, Derek and Veronica. Veronica.
Yeah, they're all just got stars in their eyes. Like well, Veronica
doesn't really care because Veronica is gay, but the guys both care because they're
also gay. So she immediately he walks out of the room. She goes,
I bet you too like that? Yeah, yeah we did. I
thought she was by? Is she just oh she might be by? I
might be wrong with that, but yeah, it was. It was an
entertaining scene. Brad is not a bad He's not a bad person to be
looking at that is that is a very nice busy I would not have been
upset with that either. We get another scene of people talking game. Ace
is talking to Steve and Ryan and he's trying to tell Ryan that Steve shouldn't
go in, he should save him, and that he thinks it should be
Lee Royan Brad like get out a strong player and sure, I mean not
a bad strategy, not a bad strategy. It does open up stars getting
stolen. Yep, yeah, it definitely does. Cam. We get a
shot of her saying that she wants to go against Tina because she wants to
go down. She wants to go down for sure, and she wants to
go against someone who does not have a star. And the only two people
who don't have stars that are in the bottom are Laurel and Tina, and
she doesn't. She's not convinced that she can get Laurel in, so she
thinks that she can get Tina. I think it's also she's a little skre
to Laurel. I A. And then finally we're on to the nominations.
All right, so we'll run through these real quick. The men's nominations go
really fast. Kefala gets voted in by everybody, and then we have uh
Brad with one vote, Leroy with two votes, and Steve with three.
So it's an almost immediate Steve and Keffler are going in. No big deal
there. The issue is when it comes to the women. Laura is politic
and hard to get jazz and Veronica in politick in throwing a tantrum because she's
not getting her way. I mean, yeah, one way or the other.
She's able to pull it off ultimately and it ends up being Jazz and
Veronica. But there's a lot of back and forth. Yea, there's a
lot of back and forth because there are a lot of people who Jazz has
made promises to. And Adam brings up the point that I thought immediately at
the beginning of this episode and when they first came back to the house,
what the fuck does Jazz have to offer to anyone? Right? What the
hell kind of promises could she be making? I don't understand why so many
people have her back when she is not good at this game. No,
she never has been, because she can't even offer like a like a I
won't say your name sort of thing, because she promises that to everybody.
That's good. Yeah, it doesn't. It makes no sense to me.
She only has a star right now because Klara gave her one. That's the
only reason she would not have a star. Ever, if she didn't get
given one, there's no I mean maybe maybe if she went into elimination against
Veronica, could she have the chance of getting a star. Yeah, but
Jazz is a fluff. Is a flufflay. I don't I truly don't know
understand why so many people are at least in this in this nomination. Why
so many people were ride or die for her? It made no sense to
me at all. No, And I don't know why people didn't stick to
their guns as soon as Car challenges that. Yeah, it's just like everybody's
like, oh, okay, whatever you want, yep. Yeah, because
I mean, we get through the nominations and Car is happy because she got
her way, She got everybody in there that she wanted. Cam is pissed
because Car got her way. Flora is pissed because she was in the nominations
and Carr got her way. Nicole is pissed because Carr got her way.
Like, there are a bunch of people who are really mad at the fact
that Car got away. Don't get me wrong, she definitely threw a temper
tantrum. Yeah, but ultimately it ended up working like a pot as politicking
strategy, Like yeah, I mean I I don't see anything wrong with the
Car did. Like, if you have the opportunity to influence the game in
a way that benefits you, you don't just sit there and like be like,
nah, I'm not gonna speak up, Like, yeah, the people
that wanted to like get him in there, should have fought harder, but
it seems like once Car started throwing a fit, they just kind of sat
on their hands and let Cara like argued to Adam and all them, Like.
The thing is is like if I were in that position, if I
were the only other woman with a star in this game, I absolutely would
have done the exact same thing. Yeah, I would have thrown a fucking
fit, like, no, you are not putting people down there who are
gonna go after my star when we have two star players that go in immediately,
not gonna happen. Yep. Yeah, I think the thing that irked
me the most about this whole like everybody being mad at Kara, is Nicole.
As she's walking away from her conversation with Flora, she tells Flora that
Kara is playing itself game, that she has always played a selfish game,
and that she is a clown who needs her star taken away. And the
only thing that I could think of that from that was Nicole, this is
a fucking game where there is only one winner. Everyone is playing a selfish
game, and if you're not, you're a moron. Yeah, and you're
telling me like someone like Cam who's very outspoken. If Cam was in Carr's
position, Cam would be fighting to protect her stars. Well, fuck Camra.
Cam would have done the exact same thing. Yep, agreed. We've
seen the bathtub scene, We've seen her act as entitled as anyone else like
Laurel would have done the exact same thing. Nicole would have done the exact
same thing. It. Yeah, it baffles me that none of them see
that they would all do the same shit that Kara just did. Honestly,
I think it's just because Cara is good at this game and always has been,
not always. Yeah, it just bothers me because it reminds me that
Car's got that sort of selfish entitled streak. Yeah, that that poly era
that bothers me. Yeah, why did that bother Wolfe when we just sat
here like five minutes ago saying this is an individual game. If you're smart,
you are playing selfish, like we just thought everyone should be doing what
Car is doing. Well, it's because I said, it reminds me that
she's in her She's in her entitled phase which started last week, which this
week was not a factor in. Yeah, and it just I just don't
like that side of Car. I'm not saying she was wrong to try to
get this to happen, but just the seeing that it wasn't going to happen
and like throwing a tantrum about it. It's just like it is a little
frustrating. But honestly, I think it would have been frustrating regardless of the
player that they did it true. I mean, if Car saw the like
people were gonna, you know, put her star in danger, and she
just sat there on her hands and did nothing, I think we'd also be
disappointed. It's like, why did you not stand up for yourself? Why
did you just let them walk all over you? Yeah, I think it
would have been more disappointed about the fact that Car is usually pretty outspoken.
If she'd sat on our hands and done nothing, it would have been like,
where the fuck did you go? Like, who the hell is this?
So? Yeah, well, we're onto elimination already. H Uh,
this elimination it's I think the most physical we've seen so far. That it's
called rope rumble. Before I saw the rope, I saw the rope,
I was hoping for not so fast. I know I did too. I
was hoping for that or for that tug of War one where they were standing
on the boxes and Jordan pulled Josh over. That was it was Grace,
She's fantastic. Before anything even happens, everybody is filed in and TJ looks
up at all of them and congratulates Ace and Nicole and then calls Ace out.
On the furry leopard print trench coat that he's wearing along with his gold
medallion. That was quite the outfit. It was pretty entertaining. I have
a question. I don't want this taken the wrong way because I'm I'm genuinely
concerned. Okay, does it seem like Ace maybe has like a Parkinson's thing
going on? Oh, I didn't notice. I've noticed all this season and
then the last time he was on he seems very twitchy, interesting, and
you would be like, well, I mean, you know, maybe that's
just who he is, thinking about the old Ace, And I mean this
was like, you know, twenty five years ago when he was on the
real world. It's just not the impression that I got. And if you
look at him, I get shades of like watching early Michael J. Fox
when he that he had it. Yeah, and I just kind of get
like his shoulders kind of twitch a little bit, and just the way he
kind of holds his head and stuff like, I don't know, it's just
a weird thing sort of they sort of picked up on since he was the
winner and they focused more on him this. Yeah, and I'm just like,
am I just thinking about it too much? Or is there something?
Oh? Yeah, I'll have to keep it. I'll have to keep an
eye out. I had noticed that I had an either, well, I'll
definitely keep it out now as well, because it's pretty low key. I
mean, he's not It's not like modern day Michael J. Fox where he's
just sort of all over the place. It's just like little like, oh
man, he can't. It doesn't seem like he can sit still, but
not like in like like he's drugged out or anything. It's just just kind
of twitchy, like I said, just kind of moving shoulder. I could
see, like I can picture what you mean by early Michael J. Fowx.
No, I hadn't noticed. Granted, I also almost always are usually
watched it on my phone and I'm taking notes while doing it, and I'm
usually at work. So naughty, naughty, naughty, naughty, you guys
know what. Ace his real name is Is that not his real name?
No, that's a nickname. That's a nickname. His real name, His
real name is Clyde. Clyde. I feel like I might have known that.
Maybe I'm just no, I don't think I knew that. Interesting,
all right? Yeah, I also just realized that Ainsley in the chat room
said that this was a really fun challenge to hark him back to, you
know, ten minutes ago. I wholeheartedly agree that I actually really enjoyed that
challenge too, because it was very It was fun to watch. It was
fun to see everybody run back and forth. It was a very visual,
visually pleasing challenge, unlike the ones where they're doing a bunch of things that
I'm sure it would be very fun for them, but it's not fun for
us to watch. Yeah, Like we said that because they were all ramming
into each other. Was kind of like hal brawl and Jays. Yeah yep,
all right. So TJ points out that all four of the nominated players
are star holders and then kind of turns to the middle group and goes,
how did that happen? And this is when Veronica says that putting all star
holders in isn't a smart decision, but not everybody has a very high IQ,
and you get a bunch of oh what do you guys think of the
decision of putting in all star holders. It makes sense, but it goes
against Kara's right from last episode where she's like, the star holder's got to
look out for other star holders. True. True, I think it's a
great decision. I mean I'm trying to think, like, because I do
think it's a great decision for car, I'm trying to think like, is
there really a big deal for those that don't have stars already? Yeah,
because regardless if no, if neither of the winning players decided to go in
against someone else, there are now two stars that are going to be given
to two new people. Because you've got you either way on either one of
these eliminations. You have two stars going against each other, and that person
can't keep both stars, they have to give the other one away. So
this immediately benefits two people. Yeah. True. I guess my only argument
to that would be is like, so if you're lucky enough to whoever wins
gives you a star, then that means you probably have a good relationship with
that person. You can probably work with that person and trust them. So
you're putting an ally of yours in danger of going home, so that we're
worth risking losing a potential ally. Yeah, because everybody wants stars. Did
you not like to skip ahead to the end real quick? Did you not
see the look on Adams Adam's face when Steve didn't give him the star?
Adam was pissed. Yeah. I don't think any of them care that you're
putting them in danger. They're looking at this as this is my ticket to
the final, like I have to have this. This is my ticket to
the final. I feel like we're getting close enough. Yeah, where at
the halfway Yeah, with halfway point, and it's close enough now that it's
time to get a star. Because if you start doing the math and if
you start doing well, if it's guygirl except for TJ throws in a surprise
like, hey, everybody's going home. This is a double elimination me.
That means you just got to make it through like three more challenges hopefully,
so not two more eliminations. Okay to have someone not steal your star.
So let's let's say let's put the this there. So let's say Cam was
in the middle and Leroy was in the bottom. You think it'd be smart
with Leroy having a star for Cam to say it's worth me risking LeRoy's life
in this game and him going home to throw in the star people because he
could maybe win and get me a star. Well, I'm not saying Cam,
that's not a good idea for Cam, Yeah, because you might lose
her ally. Yeah, but her ally isn't the one going down, That's
what I'm saying. So like, if if you're receiving the star from the
person, it's probably because they're in an alliance with you. They're probably giving
the star of someone they like. So you're basically if you're saying that a
star Leroy wouldn't be able to give a star to Cam, and Cam wouldn't
be able to give a start a Leroy, they'd have to give it to
someone of the same sex. That Okay, that's true. That's a good
point. So it doesn't matter, Yeah, Zach, I don't know.
In this instance, it wouldn't matter because they're going against someone of their same
gender or of their same SACS. I just feel like if one of my
close allies had a star, I would still rather send in a non star
holder than being like, let me throw my alliance member in there because they
are. Yeah, I mean, if I have the chance to keep my
alliance member safe, then yeah, I'm gonna try that. But if it's
if it's something where I'm going to be out voted and my alliance member is
going to be going down there, then yeah, I'm not gonna be upset
when they then give me a star because I'm not gonna feel like it's painting
a target on my back. I'm gonna look at this going all right,
I have to keep this now, like I have to really step my game
up. But I mean they're ultimately they're all trying to go for stars anyway.
Yeah, I mean, look at how Jazz reacted to getting a star
two weeks ago. She was stoked, well because, like you said earlier,
she wouldn't get win any other way. Yeah, but I mean because
she wouldn't get it on any other way. It put a target on her
back, but she still wanted that star. I think they're more likely to
want the star than care about the target. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
I think first and foremost I try to protect my alliance. But like
you said, if the numbers aren't there, and everyone else is pushing like
we gotta do this. I'm like, all right, I'm on board because
if they go in and win, then I'm getting a star. But yeah,
yeah, So I mean, ultimately, I think this is a great
idea. I don't understand it. I do understand why Veronica is pissed,
but I don't think it's everybody up there is stupid for doing this. I
think they were all very smart for doing this. No, I agree,
but all right, So the game, there is a big giant circle,
kind of like a pull wrestle or whatnot. There's a big circle in the
sand. In the middle of this circle, cross or separating the center of
the circle is a green and orange beam. The two players start one on
either side of this beam, and this beam has a very large heavy rope.
We've seen the same rope for things like Not So Fast or the Togger
Wars. Big giant, heavy rope and it's kind of bundled up in the
middle, and the point is to get the entire rope to your opposite to
the opposite person's side, and the first person to do that wins. They
are allowed TJ. I don't know if this was just a voicer over for
us, or if he actually said it to them. They are allowed to
jump on and over the beam. It is not a you have to stay
on your side type of thing, which I'm happy he said. Yeah.
So then he turns to Ace and Nicole and asks the Ace, first,
you know, would you like to take one of the guy's place and go
for this. Ace gives one of the realist explanations I think we've ever heard
of. I don't think I could beat either of them. Nope, I
don't want to do this. I'm good, I'll stay right here, which
turns out to be a very good decision for him. And then Nicole kind
of gives an explanation where you kind of think that she's going to turn it
down, and then she says, let's go. I'm gonna do this.
I'm gonna go down. I think she makes some really odd decisions. So
she initially starts this off by asking the ladies, let's make a deal.
Tell me what she'll give me as a deal, which, again I don't
understand why she's asking this to someone like Jazz. What the fuck is she
going to be able to offer you? Okay, so here's she going to
be able to offer you. Here's what I think Jasmine can offer because it
seems like, you know, we we saw on this episode people talk about
how well insulated Jasmine is. So Jasmine's argument is like, hey, I
have eight people on my side. That's eight people. If they win elimination,
you're you know, they're good with you. If they're in the middle,
I'll put you in like if you're riding with me, my people are
writing with you. Yeah, but okay, there are only what twelve people
there? If you have eight people on your side, and unless you have
won the challenge that week, there's the potential of her being up against Jazz
in the bottom. Jazz is people are gonna pick Jazz, not Nicole.
They're gonna keep Jazz safe, not Nicole. No, I agree, So
I think that's I honestly, I think it's a bullshit argument because Jazz is
two connected. If she were connected to four strong players, cool, If
she were connected to three strong players, fine, But being connected to more
than half the house, it backfires every time. It doesn't matter who it
is, what season it is, it backfires every time. You cannot be
that connected. I don't know though, because we heard her say, like,
you know, I think it is when at the end when she's leaving,
Like you know, I've I've tried to play a game I've seen so
many other people play. You say it always backfires. But I feel like
this is the game Banana plays, this is the game West plays. Like,
Yeah, but they are both players. They have other things to back
them up. They can win challenges, they can win eliminations. Jazz can't
do any of this. She is purely riding on the fact that she's connected.
That is true, and I don't think that she has I know that
she does not have the gameplay to be able to back it up. Yeah,
so being that connected and not being able to win doesn't help because they're
that can they Bananas and Wes and hell even Kara for a point a part
of time, Laurel like, these people are all really connected, but they
do well because they can also win in eliminations and win and challenges and save
their people. So like they're able to there's a reciprocity there. There's nothing
with Jazz. It's just if she happens to end up in the middle,
she'll be fine and she'll be able to help them. But she's more likely
to end up in the bottom. I agree with that, so I just
I really the overarching theme of this episode is I don't understand why Jazz is
so connected and why so many people have her back. It doesn't make any
sense to me. I mean, I think it might be because she's fluff
and there's a lot of people to be like, there's only one person that
can win this season. You know who I want to run against, Jasmine.
Yeah that's true, that is true. But yeah, so uh,
Nicole asks them, let's let's make a deal, and they both try to
say something so then Nichole says, Okay, Jazz, I'm gonna take your
spot. I'm gonna go against Veronica. And she gets down there and Veronica
asks her why and she tells her, well, because you're playing with Karaica
is like, the fuck are you talking about? I'm not allied with Kara.
Where the hell would this come from? And within about thirty seconds,
Nicole chases her mind and tej so what's going on down there? And Veronica
goes, well, I think she wants to change her mind on who she's
going against. I was like, you've got to be kidding me. This
cannot be real. This cannot what is happening right now, This has never
happened before. You can't just decide that you want to go the other way.
Yeah, I call a bullshit on this. Yeah. I feel like
once you make a decision in this game, even if it's like me and
Tim have talked forever, at any point, if you're like I want to
go home, I think that is just automatic. You're gone, all right,
Well, you made a decision. And I feel like this is even
more like even more of an example of as soon as you make a choice,
you have to stick with it. Yeah. I could not believe that
they actually let her do this. So she says, Yep, I'm gonna
change my mind, Jazz, let's do this, and Jazz and Veronica switch
places. I believe it absolutely forward me. I think, you know,
the producers thought this is better TELEVI and then just having to stay the same.
And I feel like, had she tried to pull this, like after
the men went and they got to see the challenge, I think but would
say no, But the fact that like no one had even started the challenge
yet, and I think they're like, hey, sure, why not?
You just made the decision thirty seconds ago. Yeah, and I'm sure they're
also looking at it. As you know, Nicole is the winner who gets
to choose who she wants to go against. I can understand it from that
point. But to Wolfe's point, I agree, if you make that choice,
you should not be able to back out on it. I'm also wholeheartedly
on the if you say you want to go home, that should be an
immediate yep, okay, bye, goodbye, go home, because we've seen
it way too many times where people say they want to go home seventy five
times and then they make it to the end. Yeah, agreed. Yeah,
I don't know, don't. I don't. This seems bullshit to me.
To let her change your mind. I don't know. If maybe they
thought we'll switch switch it and editing, Yeah, like we'll just reshoot her
selected Jasmine or something. I mean maybe, but they decided not to.
They decided to show the whole thing. Yeah, Chris says in the chat
room. I'm not sure what they should have allowed. I'm not sure they
should have allowed the switch, but props to Veronica. I agree. Perhaps
to Veronica. Veronica isn't even sure why she how she convinced the Coole to
switch. Thirty second conversation of Cole's like, Okay, yeah, cool,
I believe you. Yeah. But here's I don't know if you guys knows
why. Like I believe Veronica that she's not working with Kara, but I
also don't think she's working against Car. I think if they end up like
in the middle together and it benefits Veronica to go Karl's direction, Veronica is
not gonna like be like, no, I can't do that because it's Kara's
idea. Well, yeah, because we've seen it. We've seen Veronica do
things like that before. Like what was it a few seasons ago when I
don't think it was in All Stars. I think it was in just a
regular season uh when Leroy is the uh is the burn vote and Verona kind
of looks around and goes Leroy and throws Leroy into elimination And it's purely just
because you know, people fucked up and she's gonna take that chance and throw
them in. Like she's very opportunity opportunistic in that way, and it benefits
her in this game, yeah, because like if next week Tina's in danger
and she can save Tina by working with Kara. She's gonna make the move
with Carara. Yeah course, yep. All right, So I mean everybody
on the stage, everybody, everybody there is just as flabber gets it as
we are. But they have the switch. How do you think Jasmine was
feeling? Oh my god, I would be livid, like all of you
know, I've been super hyped for getting into this elimination, like Okay,
I'm going against Veronica, We're gonna I'm gonna kick some ask I'm gonna do
really well, I'm gonna do this. And then Nicole says, oh you
don't have to do that. Oh thank you, and just all of that
would have gone flooding at him, Like I'd have been like, okay,
I'm fine, I'm safe, I'm good. And then to immediately have that
pit but put back in your stomach is still oh. I would have been
so mad. It's so mad. Yeah, I mean she seems to take
it relatively well, but it was still just like what what just happened?
But can we talk about TJ's magic trick. TJ's magic trick. Oh,
with Nicole's changing clothes, She's got a change and then like a little like
quick like flash boom, She's in her uniform. TJ's got his hand up
like you just made it happened on his face. It's just like like I
did it. See I figured that Nicole was basically already dressed and just had
a sweater over her over her shirt. No, it's like a quick,
quick flash and she's just like, oh oh, how did I get my
uniform. I'm gonna have to go back and watch parts of this episode.
I still haven't gone watched and gone back and watched the Brad's boner bit Bread's
boner. It's a great little clip from what's the last episode? All right,
So onto the competition. The men go first. Cathla starts is off
super strong, like at one point in time, he fully picks Steve up
and throws him to the other side of this rope sort of a fireman's carry
situation. Yeah it was. It was impressive, but ultimately Steven's up winning
Kafla's hamstring kind of gives out on him. Titans, he gasses out.
Yeah, so I could. I could see that. I would probably guess
out pretty quick. I'd come in super hot. Yeah, people be like,
oh shit, and then I would just guess out immediately. Yep.
So yeah, stevens up winning, which is unfortunate because I like KEFLA and
then the women go, uh nothing really all that notable. Nicole wins super
fast. I also like KEFLA, but as glad Steve stayed yeah, uh
yeah, Nicole win's super fast. Jazz seems to take it pretty well.
She doesn't seem all that upset by it. This is good, although I
will say it did annoy me. Ken what you were talking about earlier with
the whole like, what's Jasmine's power in this game? Like when Jasmine friends
got called back down? She tells Nicole, you're gonna regret this decision.
Yeah, I was just like, no, she's not. You're going home.
There's nothing you can do to make her regret it. She talks a
big game Jesus Christ, Caroland, mhmm, stop scratching. What's funny is
she was like eight feet away? Apparently apparently just picks it up a little.
Well. Yeah, so Nicole gets Jazz a star. Good for her.
She's now one of the star holders, and TJ tells Steve, well,
you can't keep two stars, so who you can give the other one
too? And Steve. This is when he, even though he's very good
friends with Adam, he turns to Adam and says, you know, I
want you to get your star. I want to compete in the final with
you. I really want to do this with you, but I'm not gonna
give you a star tonight. His reasoning is because he wants to give it
to someone neutral, not someone who's gonna basically set a bomb off in the
house, which he thinks Adam would be, and he ends up giving it
to Ace. So Ace's choice to not go down into elimination tonight was a
very good one because he got a store anyway. Yeah, it's just like
what the fuck? But this is where I noted Steve. This is yet
another instance of Steve acting real weird and just he picks up the star and
is like turning it and looking at it super I don't know it. It
was like Gullum with a ring. It just he's a hand model, Carli.
I know, but it's just weird. I also don't really get the
decision to give it to acens of Adam, Like did I miss something where
we feel like Adam with a star is going to become like some super house
villain or something. I don't know. I don't I don't understand that decision
either. It made no sense to me. Like Adam had it start at
the beginning of the season. He was just fine with it, like and
the only reason he doesn't have one now sins it got stolen, like it
just yeah, it's weird to me. I don't understand why he made that
decision. If I were in his place and I had the chance to give
my biggest alliance a star, I would do that. Like we're far enough
in this game now that that person could potentially hold on to it for the
rest of the season. I guess the only potential argument is if he's thinking,
you know, with what went down tonight, like you know, we're
people that have stars are gonna be s targets, and so it's like I
don't want to be down here next week against Adam, Like Okay, I
can understand it in that aspect, but I mean, regardless of who it
is that has the star, they're all targets every week. So yeah,
but I mean I neither understand not wanting to go against your friend. Yeah,
because I's think I continued the trend of throwing in the star hoards,
like I great, give me Ace then next week and I'll take out Ace.
Yeah. Well that's the thing though, is like I don't think any
of uh, well no, I can't say that none of the guys are
not strong players. Like Ace is still a pretty strong player. Like I
honestly think that if if Steve were if he didn't want to like blow up
the house, and he wanted to give it to a player who Adam could
potentially take it from at a later date, he should have given it to
like Ryan or Derek. I feel like they would be a much better,
much easier chance for Adam to get a star than Ace would be until they
go against Derek and a nation that requires lots of running. That's true,
but like Ace is super smart. So if it's anything having to do with
a puzzle, then I don't know if they're gonna win it. Yeah.
I mean, granted, they can still go against someone else entirely and just
steal his star, So if there's that, yeah, I just I don't
know. I don't feel like I don't feel like really any of the choices
except for maybe Brad, I don't feel like anybody would really blow up the
house in the way that he seems to think it would. And maybe it's
not even giving as to start, it takes from him later. Maybe he
wants as in the finals, like yeah, and then we're gonna get you
Leroy star Adham. Yeah. Maybe I don't know. Well, that's the
end of the end of the episode. I'm looking forward to next episode.
But his next episode is tritty. Yeah, favorite episode of the season.
Zach, you want to give us our updated standings for the Time League.
Absolutely, I can't say. I'm sure you guys probably assume this watching episode.
Carlin had a massive week this week. Oh did I really? You
did? You had both Ace and Nicole on your team this week. Oh
shit, I do have a team, all right. At least I did
well so points for this week, you know. Uh, for this week
alone, Carlin came in first place with fourteen points. I came in second
with five points, Wolfian third with two points, and Tim had negative to
Tim. Tim is down to one and overall he's down to just one person,
just Brad. Oh oh, Tim, You're so fucked all right,
So overall it sucks. So in last place it's Tim with twenty five points.
Uh, dropping into third place. Wolfy with thirty six. Carlin has
jumped into second place with forty four, and I'm still slightly ahead with fifty
eight. Slightly forty four to fifty eight. That's not slightly. I'm meg.
You jumped fourteen points this week, Carlin. If if Eighth and Nicole
win next week, you're gonna be up there tied with me. Yeah,
if you don't score any points, true, I call bullshit rigg Alright,
well, I'm gonna say that the Public League is also rigged because I didn't
put my picks in this week. I'm still doing better, still doing better.
It is ranked three, I'm number two. Yeah, so Public League
the devil himself with six hundred and sixty six points. Mister whatever Sve is
back in first place. Wooo, well done. Steve, Zachie Bananas is
in second. I even though I didn't put in any well, Big Uncle
Sweet Tea has moved up a seventh. And even though I didn't put in
any picks for this past week, I'm still in an eighth, which I'm
okay with. And then we have Wolfy wait down at thirty three. At
least you're beating Tim in the our league. Wilf. I guess, so
who are you? Who did you pick last week? Wolfe? Oh,
you've got one hundred and nine points. Nice, So you picked Cam,
Laurel and Leroy. Alright. I figured there'd be more fallout from last week's
episode. Last week and Nicole got one hundred and eleven points herself. This
past week, here me who I had Nicole, Laurel and someone else.
I think I think we have yeah. Yeah, So Nicole scored scored one
hundred and eleven points by herself, so she had coitus for twenty five points.
She won the elimination, She won the regular challenge. Uh TJ says,
you're killing it. She stole a star, She had eight confessionals.
She was the first team repaired to do a challenge, which I think that
was kind of everybody. She survived another episode, and she said what she
would do with the prize money. I don't remember her saying what she was
gonna do with the prize money, but apparently what she was going to do
with the prize money. Yeah, so one hundred and eleven points. Goddamn
girl. Yeah, I don't know. She's doing good though. I thought
Laura would get more points too, for participating in the Coitus. I thought
both of them would have massive weeks. But yeah, Laurel, let's see,
she got Coitus eight confessionals again being first parent team I everybody was,
I think at the same time. So I think everybody got that, survived
an episode and said let's go. So she's missing the all of the elimination
and star stuff. Yeah, I mean she still got forty six points,
which is not it's nothing to shake a stick out. I mean Brad got
eleven. Jesus, do we think do we think Brad go ahead, go
for it? Say? Do we think Brad has any chance of making to
the end in winning as Tim's only person? Oh my god, I mean
with the funk ups that he's had the last two episodes, if that man
does not get his head in the game, he's going to be out in
the next few weeks, Like poor Tim, stupid fucking decisions. Tim will
have to go like the whole second half of the season being like and Tim's
eliminated from the draft already, poor man. Es goodness. You can also
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does change it? Yeah, Brad looking at the standing I've just been running
through all the standings for everybody, the points that they've scored in the Public
League. Brad scored sixty three points in week one and every week since so
he's had eight thirty to twenty and eleven. Brad is not doing well in
this Fantasy Game, it's not so Big Uncle Sweet. In the web version
of the Fantasy game for the private one for us, I'm in first place
with seven hundred and ninety eight. Zach is in second place with seven hundred
and thirteen. Wolf He's in third place with seven hundred and six, and
Big Uncle Sweet Tea is in fourth place with four hundred and ninety seven.
There is a two hundred plus point gap between him and third poor man.
Did we figure out what the loser is gonna have to do if they if
they lose this? The fantasy league we have now, I mean, I
think we can safely assume, like, let's figure out what we're gonna make
him do the jojo come on the show. Oh, that'd be great,
well, Zach, do you have any social media stuff? No, major
social media stuff. The only cads say is the new reality show on Amazon,
The Goat, started today. They dropped the first three episodes with people
competing from various reality shows to prove that they're the greatest reality contest of all
time. And we have tech Money representing the challenge. We also have Davonney
and Davon is also on there representing Big Brother though, but She's also a
former Challenger. Nice, so check that out. Amaz. I haven't watched
it yet but should be good. Wendell from Survivors also on there, Wolfe.
I'm sure you know Wendell. Uh probably if I saw him, well,
he was the Ghost Island winner. Yeah, I don't, I didn't.
I don't know then by name, Okay, yeah, I guess that's
it. Thanks for listening, everybody, and for this episode of Challenge that
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