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and you just stumbled across it,
welcome anyway. It's a Sunday, it's

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weird. I don't usually broadcast on
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a Sunday. That is often my
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chance to sit down with an old
friend, I said, yeah, let's

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do this on a Sunday. Ed
Opperman. Okay, if you haven't heard

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of the Opperman Report, welcome to
the internet. Because he's been around a

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while. Uh and he's been on
my show much many times, much times.

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That's good. That's perfect excellent grammar
there on my part. Anyway.

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Ed Opperman private investigator, podcaster,
a fighter against the New World Order.

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His announcements say on his radio show, I think still Ed first off,

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man, how you doing on this
fine Sunday afternoon. Oh yeah, I'm

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still using that same intro that we
recorded ten years ago. And I am

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doing very well on this Sunday afternoon. Thank you for working around my schedule.

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I had to get some stuff done
today. I interviewed this kid,

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Quinn Mitchell. You might have seen
him. He's fifteen years old and he's

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that kid that asked a question to
Ron de Santis and De Santis got all

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pissed off at him and kicked him
out of his rally over there. Okay,

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so I answer you at him this
afternoon. That's a free time this

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afternoon view. Great, Well,
you're gonna put that up on Patreon,

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because I know you got the active
Patreon over there where listeners can go sign

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up. And I see Operaman Report
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By the way, there's a new
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in during the show. My apologies, but I can't leave him out with

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the other dogs because they were just
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Anyways, just telling you what the
noise is. Uh so, yeah,

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and you have is patreon slash Opperman
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No, that's it Opperman Report at
Patreon. I got up there some

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exclusive everything we put out Monday a
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their commercial free five hours of content
a week guaranteed. Nice. Then I

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took some exclusive stuff. I just
interviewed May Pang, so I second interview

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with May Pang, John Lennon's ex
girlfriend. John Lennon had a wild weekend,

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the Lost Weekend. I remember hearing
about that on the Howard Stern Show

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years ago because I wasn't a big
Beatles fan, but I have to confess

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I'm a recovering Stern listener from many
years ago. Uh have you listened to

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him lately? By the way,
I got to ask you about that.

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I just listened to him today.
I was in the carl listening to him

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today. Yeah. I just did
a show with the radio gunk who does

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a whole show about the Howard Stern
too. Man. He wow, he

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is definitely he turned into something different
since he's been on Serious FM, you

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know, over the past what decade
now, more than a decade I think

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he's been on Serious right. Oh
yeah, yeah. But that story he

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talks about, you know, the
loss of his mother, and his mother

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is like in a cam you know, and the loss of his father very

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mundane, you know, brushing his
teeth, you know. He he's very

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isolated it from the world and just
talking about like an old man just aroundling

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he always was. But then he
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about I don't care drop dead if
you don't get a vaccine, and I'm

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like, oh my god, you
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circumstance on the world stage, he's
right now probably screaming about how Israel needs

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to wipe Palestine off the planet,
which I don't even want to discuss with

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you, but you know, because
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you know, look, I know
it's a it's a pivotal thing. It's

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important, yes, indeed, But
I'm talking to Ed Opperman today. I

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want to relax a little bit and
talk about other stuff like may Pang,

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because the may Pang story is pretty
wild. Now. I was always fascinated

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by this weird Yoko Ono kind of
circumstance, like how did she land a

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rock star? She was an avant
garde artist and all that crap. Well,

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even apparently the guy who wants to
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whether might have gotten sick of her
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think to go run away with may
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story with Maypeg? I interviewed may
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like a nice two hour interview and
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you know, in this newest film, The Lost Weekend, a love

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story. Okay, first of all, it's a great film. I recommend

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you go to IMDb look it up
and you could buy its streaming. There's

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a lot of video footage on there
you haven't seen before. And she flushes

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out the story of the Last Weekend
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before. And also the producers and
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I had no idea the depths of
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Julian London and with the Julian London's
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they really get into Yoko. Everybody's
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Yoko myself. Okay, everyone's afraid
of Yoko. Let this guy. Okay,

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wait, wait, everybody you're afraid
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Now, look, when I was
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of New York City. I was
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because she would literally show up with
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Place and whatever else and shut places
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bootleg albums if it contained anything related
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being nervous if you're in that position. What in the hell would make ed

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Appraman nervous regarding Yoko Ono. Well, I just don't want to get trigged

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into court, you know. And
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have this I think his name is
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had just gotten out of prison and
for some selling some John Lennon material that

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he wasn't supposed to have, and
right before I was going to do an

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interview and he got rearrested. So
I don't just want to get ragged into

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Yoko On with stuff. But the
documentary film was very much more open and

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liberal about talking about Yoko Ono and
the hypnotism that caused John Lennon to go

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back to Yoko Ono. But when
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it was right before the film was
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one of those all day press events
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taking interviews that everybody. So they
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released this film on the thirteenth of
this month, so I mean this is

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fresh, this is oh yeah,
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I was in, it was only
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too, so they only gave me
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technical problems over there, so it
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said, hey, listen, I'm
still getting twenty minutes, right, and

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Sai, oh yeah, I don't
worry you getting twenty minutes. So I

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didn't want to waste any time,
so there was no cratuities. I mean

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usually my pre interviews like fifteen minutes. So we kind of rushed through the

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interview. And she was very hesitant. I could tell right away she was

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hesitant into being as open as the
film was about Yoko. She's still a

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radio too, you know, like
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still a good interview. You can
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I'd recommend one, uh, what's
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Last Weekend? A love story apparently, And yeah, and there's a trailer

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out there that you can find on
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Tribeca Film Festival official selection okay,
uh, and a few other things,

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but yeah, let's see. Okay. I was looking to see if it

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maybe won an award already, but
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nominated for some awards and stuff looks
pretty good. They got this. Uh.

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The thumbnail on the YouTube is a
really interesting little picture of like Lennon,

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like you know, with different looks
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Let me tell you, there's a
lot of video footage in this thing I

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haven't seen before, Okay, like
a Julie and like a birthday party when

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he was a little kid running around
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a lot of video in there you
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I mean, if you're just a
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plus made The main Pang story is
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now again you're saying she's a little
nervous about talking about Yoko, but it

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was sort of like Yoko almost said, okay, I give you permission to

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go, like right, oh no, yeah that part yeah, and by

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the way too, that's Yoko's official
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give you permission to go. And
Yoko told that story interviewing herself where there

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was a she videotaped herself answering the
questions, and then videotaped herself answering the

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questions. Okay, man, no, no, I know I'm afraid of

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people like that. No, gianty
you know she's related to a hero heito?

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Did you know that? And she
went to an old boy's college and

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I wait, and her and her
husband, wait a set, what is

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this? She had some kids with
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kidnapped the kids from the guy,
and then they gave it back to the

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guy and the guy had to run
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Wow. Okay, oh, man, yokos got crazy, crazy stories,

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a lot of reasons to be afraid
of her. Okay, I didn't know

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all this. I'm recommending fear,
chuck. Okay, no, you're recommending

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fear of Yoko Ono. Okay,
look look cool. I mean I'm not

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gonna. I'm not gonna get nervous
about it just yet, but maybe I

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will if I dig into it,
because sounds pretty weird. So anyway,

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what is she hesitating about though?
I mean, if that's all there is

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to it, what is this was? It was about the hypnotism in her

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story, and she told the story
on my show, and they tell a

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story in the video that when John
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Oh, I want you to come
on, We're going to hypnotize you

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to quit smoking. And then suddenly
John was saying, oh, Yoko's letting

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me come back. I'm gonna move
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out that whole story. So there's
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found out that I didn't know before
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five years after that breakup, that
they would get back together and have little

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rendezvous, as mister Bill Cosby used
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secretly, you know, a little
fun dagger like Okay, let Yoko,

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I know, but I'm gonna write
Little Tristan for five years when hey,

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look, things like that happen,
you know, it seems seems like there

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might have been some love there.
Okay, So now I'm getting the idea

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why they named the video that way. I mean, it's a love story.

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That's great, Okay, cool.
No, I will check it out

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and I'll give you guys links in
the show notes on O'Kelly dot com so

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you can follow through about the film. I'm going to give them a little

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promotion, even though a nothing you
might like in the Patreon. So as

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long as we're promoting the operant report
as low as three dollars a month,

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by the way tensent today, I
put a lot of free stuff in it.

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So I have all those videos of
Mike Lindell in that deposition where he's

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freaking out his pillows, Lumpy,
did you watch those depositions? No?

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I didn't know about that part,
you know. I I go to the

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new release because I'm on your Patreon, and I go, I'm one of

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your patrons, and yeah, I'm
signed up. You'll you'll find me there.

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I'm either signed up as check O'Kelly
or the Acelli Effect. I have

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two accounts with Patreon, but one
or the other I might be signed up

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as the ocell ef a matter of
fact, I know him signed up as

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the ocell effect because they deduct it
from my Patreon right right. Anyways,

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Yeah, so, uh so I
didn't know about this stuff. Yeah,

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tell me about the extra stuff because
I know you mentioned it because I put

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a lot of free stuff up too. Okay, And like I said,

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all the depositions of Mike Lindell over
his lawsuit with Domingion voting machines and where

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he's freaking out at this deposition throwing
tangents and stuff, and at one point

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the attorney says, well, when
people call you up to complain about the

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lumpy pillows, he freaks out,
it goes lumpy pillow. Oh my god.

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I have all that up that.
But I also interviewed the fellow just

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recently, mister to get his name, Rob from Las Vegas, and the

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he one that computer a cyber symposium
where Mike Lindell said, Hey, if

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you if you can prove that my
report here that he brought from a convicted

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con man, that there's any errors
in this report that that was tamping with

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the voting equipment there, I'll pay
you five million dollars. Yeah, I

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guess I did prove it. He
won. And now Lin Dell's trying to

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stiff on. As a matter of
fact, I did that interview the day

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before Lindell went on TV and said
that his lawyer's will quit. Oh wow.

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Well look, I don't usually do
this in public, but I'd love

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to talk to that guy. If
he's willing to tell a story to me,

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it's great. Yeah, I'd love
to hear from him, just to

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get that story, because I read
about it and it was like, okay,

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so he offered five million dollars and
yeah, and then now he doesn't

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want to pay, and now he's
not paying. Yeah. Well, you

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know, look, he wants to
style himself after Trump. I mean,

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that's that's about Trump's m O.
Right, I mean this is what the

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guy does. Okay, yeah,
screw you take me to court and then

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he pays, you know, forty
eight cents on the dollar. I happen

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to know that figure from one of
the cases in Jersey. But anyway,

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you tell me, well, you
know, check another show. I bet

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you would love I just put it
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You remember Art Bell? Right?
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yeah, so Art Bell did that
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do you remember that Mel Waters he
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this hole on his property and it
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that kind of nonsense. No,
I don't remember that because, you know

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what, the thing that sticks with
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or whatever his name was. Yeah
right, yeah, yeah, that was

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crazy. But he had a whole
bunch of stuff like this. Tell me

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about Mel's hole a little bit.
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and I play the whole call in
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Waters it might have been. He
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callers into So I played pretty much
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that. But my involvement with that
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start myself into everything I can that
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and the guy who wrote that story
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stalking Bell on old Bell used net
and h message boards. Yeah yeah,

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okay, you remember that stuff.
Yeah, that boards. Yeah, and

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like the in the in the late
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and on the Internet. Yeah,
like ninety seven, I think is my

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first experience with that, and you
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the JFK boards back then. That
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onto. And then I think other
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you know, porno, like like
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there was message boards for it.
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days of the Internet, and people
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where like you know, creepy pasta
and all that like actually evolved from those

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message boards right where people were trading
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my town, and urban legends got
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I'm taking a look at your Patreon
now. Is this the one called

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Opperman Live? Is the Opperman Report
of time travel Portal? No, but

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I think the Opperaman Report is a
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to that. That's one of my
Friday night live shows where I talk about

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how I've predicted so much stuff.
Man, that's come right, you know,

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I'm like a thousand percent especially and
that was last week. That's before

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I predicted I predicted the night before
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Oh I want to get out to
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you do predictions on Friday nights.
That's what you're doing. No, no,

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no, no, not I should, oh I should. Okay,

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I'm the Gene Dixon of the talk
radio nineteen of twenty twenty four. Oh

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but I'll just at to so many
my passions, Like I predicted Trump was

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gonna get go to prison, wind
up in prison. Well listen to wait,

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wait, you're predicting Trump is going
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that in twenty fifteen during the primary
he was gonna wind up in present.

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Gentleman's bet with you. I'll bet
you a dollar. Okay, I'll bet

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you got it. I'll bet you
a dollar he does not go to prison.

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Okay, okay, Well, like
seriously, and I my time expires

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in twenty twenty five. If he
doesn't go to prison by twenty twenty five,

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you mail me a crisp one dollar
bill, Okay to twenty twenty five

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December thirty first, twenty twenty five. Okay, I can do that,

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yep. And also to let's get
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uh does that count, contempt of
court, doing jail time. No,

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no, no, you said prison
Okay, okay, okay, now just

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get the facts down. Yeah,
because I'm I'm I would also if you

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want to double that bet, okay, I'll bet you two dollars that he

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does he does a night in jail, contempt of court. Hmmm before all

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all this ends. Now see,
I think that's possible. I I I

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wouldn't want to bet against that one. I think he could easily go for

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contempt. But I don't think no
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no way. Matter of fact,
I'll tell you what, if you want

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to go a double or nothing,
I got. I got a prediction for

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you. And I'm not good at
predicting. I I literally you know,

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I'm the guy who picked only twice
correctly in my entire life a super Bowl.

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Okay, and uh that that indeed
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Bills what four times? Anyways?
So you know what I'm saying. The

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Buffalo Bills, remember that losing streak
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super Bowl and not win. I'm
not at all Okay, no worries neither

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am I. Thus you know probably
stands the reason why I didn't win.

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But anyway, I'll give you a
two dollars bet on he's actually going to

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be declared the winner in twenty four. Well that's a possibility too, Okay,

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I would give you that. That's
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we're stuck on the dollar. But
you know what I stand by it.

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I don't think he's going to serve
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for contempt or violating his gag order
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he might get tossed in there because
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him, because the way I see
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advantageous to him up to this point. You know. It strengthened his core

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support, and I think it's actually
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when it comes to the GOP side
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grievance, like they do believe him
when they when he says they're coming after

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me because they want you, you
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a whole mess. But anyway,
yeah, no, I'll take I'll do

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that dollar bet though, and if
you can think of something else, we'll

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add to it. Okay, that's
a little running town. Oh yes,

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the show goes on. Sure,
let's do it. I'll tell you about

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my time travel portal with Trump though, yes, please. The day after

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Princess Diana died, I was invited
to the US Open and h David dinkin

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stadium. They had to watch the
US Open from a friend of him,

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right, and Trump was about twenty
five feet away. If I would have

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thrown a rock at I could have
hit him with a rock. And everyone's

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supposed to be looking down at the
tennis players, but Trump is looking up,

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you know, and he's talking to
these two young models. You know.

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They were very animated talking to mister
Trump, Dana. But every time

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I would turn my head, he
was staring right at me. Okay.

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And I had never met him personally
at that time, whatsoever, I had

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no connection with Trump or anything he
had would at that time, he should

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not have known who I am.
Okay, unless time travel okay, because

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let me tell you, okay,
this is a time traveling portal. Okay.

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But what I thought it was is
that one time I was out with

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some friends of mine and there were
bunch of flight attendants and they had one

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of those flight attendant parties apartments in
Manhattan. This doesn't have anything to do

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with Boa Diedle, does it.
It does have to do both. Did

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I told you to start before?
No? No, I could. Yeah,

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go ahead, because well, you
know again, you and I we

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were kind of in the same area
at the same time during certain events,

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so I can imagine who would be
which, by the way, I don't

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know if I'll tell you my Trump
story too, which will take about a

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whole of a minute, but go
ahead. They said, you'll never believe

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who's at our apartment tonight, And
I said who? They said, Marla

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Maples. Now this is the stewardesses, said this, Yeah, okay,

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because they had one of those stewardess
apartments where people were coming and going all

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the time. And Marlon Maples had
just hit the press that Trump was cheating

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on Evanna, and Marlon Maples had
to high tail it out of her apartment

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because the paparazzi was following her around, and she went and hid in the

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stewardess apartment with two garbage bags of
her clothes, that's all she had.

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So I made the joke with you
with a straight face. I said,

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oh, well, let's go in
there. We could tap the phones,

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and then we could sell it to
the paparazzi. We could sell it to

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the National choir, right, And
they all got mad at me. Oh,

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you're so cruel this poor girl.
How reasons me? I said,

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who's paying for this night out?
I can beck make all the bad jokes

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I want, so when you know, a couple of weeks later, I

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made the same joke to Bo Diedele, right, And I always assumed that

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it was Bo who ran to Trump
and said, Hey, Trump, I'm

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gona keep an eye in the sky. Befully he wants to tap your phone,

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blah blah. By I was just
going to say, Bo Deedle would

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exactly be the guy who does that. Yeah, go ahead and give me,

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give me a little bullshit twenty old
retainer. And so I always figured

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when Trump was staring me down at
the US Open that it was because Bo

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or someone had gotten to him.
But now I don't know, man.

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I think it could be time travel. And he knows, you know,

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Mike work in the Epstein case,
my work in the Trump and Epstein lawsuit.

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He knows I have to clatch right
now in a Stormy Daniels case all

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my people put that Stormy Daniels deal
together. So he definitely knows who I

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am. Now I'm convinced of that. Keith Schiller. I've done jobs with

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Keith Schiller. Juliani knows who I
am. So I sure see there you

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go that that could be the problem
right there. I wonder if did I

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ever tell you that story about the
US in Trepid. I don't think so

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that's a good story. Man.
You like this because involves Roger Stone.

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Oh okay, yeah, go ahead, good. It involves another guy we

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both know, but I'm not going
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I was sitting home right and I'm
watching the Trump's gonna debate Hillary Clinton

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at the US and Trepid. Now, the US Intrepid is owned by a

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guy named the Fisher Foundation Fisher House, Dad, and Fisher is this rich

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guy in New York is a real
estate rich guy, and he owns the

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Intrepid Museum. He commissioned the shuttle
to come up part of the Interpreting Museum

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and stuff like that. And so
he's got a bunch of stuff in the

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what they used to call the garment
district, right, I mean, I

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don't know about that. I don't
know that. But he donates money to

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nine to eleven victim military people and
stuff first responders, and he's got this

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I would call it a fetish where
he would hire one hundred cops in uniform

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to run these funerals for his friends
and relatives and show up with their bag

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pipes, in their motorcycles and duel
and stuff, and have one hundred cops

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there, you know, in formation. So they give him like a police

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version of a military funeral kind of
deal, and he hires them to go

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there in their uniforms and probably run
here. He would hire that through Keith

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Shiller, and Keith Shiller later on
went to work with Trump's Trump's head of

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security. Then he went to work
on at the White House, Trump's head

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of the White House. There he
was somehow at a meeting in Iraq.

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Okay, went there the military over
there. Okay. I so Keith Schiller

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knows who I am. I've done
work for Keith Shiller, And Keith Schiller

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was pissed off at me and my
partner when we went to a little business

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together because Keith Shiller had this business
where he was controlling all the cops in

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New York City, and you couldn't
dare touch on his little toes, even

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if my little tiny business had nothing
to do with this guy anyway. So

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Keith Schiller was working for Fisher House, he was working for Trump. And

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now Trump's down there at the Intrepid
Museum to do this debate with Hillary Clinton.

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And who's there in the audience Trump's
guests? You got, uh,

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Paula Jones, who I need a
broad rick, that whole bunch. Put

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those together, Okay, I know
every one of those people. Of course

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I've interviewed half of them. Me
and Paula Jones had the same agent,

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the same agent, by the way, Gina Rodriguez, who's a witness in

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the Stormy Daniels case. You put
the Stormy Daniels thing together. Okay,

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you know who the world all is
this? Yeah? No, you know,

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Wanita, you know, uh,
don't you know Danny's uh what do

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you called it? Bill Clinton's black
son? Basically? You know, I

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know I tried to get him one
years ago and he was real popular and

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he would just blow me off over
and over. I forgot who gave me

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his name. Oh, I know
who it was? That guy, Uh,

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Robert Morrow. So I talked to
Daniel Willing. I said, it's

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Patty his pronounce the name. I
just told you. I just told you.

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Well, look that that that guy's
a strange case anyway, you know.

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And he's he's he's Have you met
him in person Tomorrow, No,

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I haven't met him in person,
but we've had you know, I've had

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him on the show. He did
a great hit the first show with me

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about Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. No, he's one of those guys though.

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He's kind of like like he screams
like this is what they didn't know what

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was called autism before kind of deal. He's like one of those shaky,

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nervous guys, really really quirky,
odd presence if you're in a room with

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him. I've only been in a
room with him once. I've interviewed him

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once on the show. But yeah, he's he's an odd one, kind

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of you know me, but he's
an odd guy. Yeah. God good

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though, But in Morrow's there,
of course. Okay, but let's be

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putting Bob Morrow's side. Yeah,
yeah, putting him on the shelf,

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on the shelf the Intrepid Museum.
So all these Bill Clinton mistresses are sitting

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around, and who else is there? Keith Schiller is there, Giuliani's there.

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These are all people who know me. So somehow my name must have

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come up in that group, probably
because I get a phone call from a

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guy and he said, was on
behalf of Rogerstone, on behalf of okay,

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on behalf of Rogerstone. Yeah,
and he calls me up. He

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goes, ed, I'm over here
at the tumid. Oh this is wait.

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This was the day after Kelly and
Conway, the day after the grab

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00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:26.599
him by the pussy tape came out
the Axis Hollow. Everything's day after Everything's

407
00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:30.519
on fire then, because yeah,
yeah, okay, so the Access Hollywood

408
00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:34.200
deal with the bus and right,
okay, this is going on, right,

409
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:40.119
but what are they talking about?
We need that oppoman. They called

410
00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:44.880
me up. They want me to
give them Kathy O'Brien's contact information because they

411
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.240
wanted to get a hold of Kathy
O'Brien and get her in that room too,

412
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.359
to get her in the little group. Okay, which okay, which,

413
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:52.680
by the way, you know,
depending on who it is, I

414
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:56.880
mean, Rogerstone could have a variety
of people that volunteer to do stuff for

415
00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:00.640
him. I don't know if you
know about that little next to some people,

416
00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:04.039
but interesting group of cats that he
has coming and going there that you

417
00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:07.640
know, say they're his security,
they're representing him. Oh oh yeah,

418
00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.799
yeah, oh yeah, I'm in
with that whole bunch. I'll tell you

419
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:18.359
about that, Okay. But the
thing is, man, so what the

420
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.880
guy says to be he goes,
yeah, that access Hollywood thing. Kelly

421
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:30.279
and Conway leaked that because she's fucking
CIA. Oh what That's what they were.

422
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:33.839
This is what they were doing.
This is what they were talking about.

423
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:38.480
This is what was going on before
Trump starts debating Hillary at the Intrepid

424
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:44.359
Museum. Oh man, what a
clown show. Oh my god. Yeah,

425
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.000
I mean, Kelly, can you
picture Kelly and Conway working for the

426
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:52.400
CIA? I don't know, man, I've had people on my show.

427
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:53.640
I thought out later on they were
CIA. I didn't think there were c

428
00:26:53.799 --> 00:27:00.279
A at the time. I think
a lot more people not you know,

429
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:07.799
actual say agents full time, but
you know, or sponsored an asset,

430
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:11.920
an asset that was okay. Well
look, anybody, anybody could be an

431
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:17.119
asset, okay, because they'll utilize
anyone. You can go through. You

432
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.960
know, if you look at what
I what I refer to as the Assassination

433
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:23.240
Guide. You ever read that thing
about Central and South America where they talk

434
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:27.440
about the people that they, you
know, like to recruit for certain work

435
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.359
and all this kind of stuff.
You know, they give medications of the

436
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:36.119
types of people that they're fully willing
to employ one way or another in this

437
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.039
guidebook, which is too funny because
at a certain point it says, you

438
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.880
know, sho, you should commit
nothing to paper, and you're reading this

439
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:47.000
off of a freaking handbook that they
put the paper right. It's really funny.

440
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:48.440
But yeah, yeah, no,
they they were. They're willing to

441
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.880
employ anybody pretty much. It doesn't
matter if it's criminals, low lives,

442
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:56.359
degenerates of any kind, you know, paranoid guys that you know, actually

443
00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.240
paranoid guys. They recruited a bunch
of post World War II that were like

444
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:06.279
these like lunatics that were like following
everybody around and surveilling people in Germany that

445
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:10.079
weren't even part of the uh,
you know, the the Gestapo and stuff

446
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:15.160
that we're doing that independently, the
CIA was recruiting those guys all kinds of

447
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.240
weird stuff. You never know,
who they could actually attempt to recruit to

448
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.880
use as an asset. So fair
enough, but Kelly and Conway does not

449
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:26.319
strike me as an effective asset in
any way, shape or form. I

450
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.119
mean, well, and I said
also to George Conway, you know he

451
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:32.680
was up to his neck and all
that stuff, Kenneth Starr and the Star

452
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:37.359
report and who was that girl,
the nineteen year old. Well, he's

453
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.839
one of those people that gets himself, you know, like you were saying,

454
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.359
you get yourself, you know,
invited into situations. He's that kind

455
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:45.799
of I'm trying not to anymore.
I just I just quit a big job.

456
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.839
I just quit a really big thing
that's going to be on the news.

457
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.440
Oh boy, Well, do you
want to give me a hint or

458
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:55.359
no? Yeah, I can give
you a hint. Well, it's opposition

459
00:28:55.440 --> 00:29:00.240
research, okay, and on a
sitting political candidate, a sitting but a

460
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:07.839
political uh congressman. It's a huge
sex tape. Okay, it's a huge

461
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:12.640
nice story. And by and I
had I couldn't. I couldn't for my

462
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:17.279
own personal reasons and stuff like that. I discontinue my my cooperation with this.

463
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:21.759
But I did lay down a good
road work road map. There's a

464
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:29.240
very competent young journalist involved in this, and a very prestigious publication, so

465
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.680
there's no problem there, but my
involvement. I had to back away.

466
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:34.559
But I did leave a roadmap for
them, so I will take credit in

467
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:41.680
the future. The next time I'm
a guess, I'll run the whole thing.

468
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.720
All right, cool? Cool?
But is it that it was too

469
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.960
disturbing or is it that it was
just getting a little too close to people

470
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:51.799
that are a little too greasy?
What are we talking here? Kind of

471
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:53.920
why you had to back Okay,
Okay, I've been thinking about this.

472
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:59.400
Okay, I'm older now, Okay, I'm not doing I'm not the guy

473
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.240
I wasn't too. I was eighteen
and went, I don't know if I

474
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.039
ever say we were talking about the
TV show. At the beginning of that

475
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:04.720
TV show the clip, you know, it says, hey, you know,

476
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:07.079
people come to me with their problems
and I fix their problems for him,

477
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.880
right, And I'm really you know, I'm half the man I was

478
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.920
back in twenty eighteen, first of
all. But you look good on that

479
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.279
too. You know, you look
good on that tape. You look nice,

480
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:18.640
and you know, I think I
look great. You look like you

481
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.799
look like, you know, you're
like what they're trying to portray you as,

482
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:25.480
and you come off as is I'm
like the Batman. They called me

483
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:29.000
Batman, and they do. The
thing is too. I was in great

484
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:30.440
shape, and I was swimming three
miles. I was hiking you all day

485
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:33.640
long. Yeah, I was briding
my bike for you know, you didn't

486
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.079
strike me as coming from the League
of Shadows. But here's the thing.

487
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.160
When somebody says to me that,
you know, you're you're definitely like a

488
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.400
rugged sort of PI guy who's willing
to get a little bit down and dirty.

489
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.000
You had to look, you know. But the thing is in the

490
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.440
past. Okay, Like with the
Sarah Palin case, I had a client.

491
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:52.519
Okay, with the Epstein stuff,
I had a client. Okay,

492
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.240
Carli Sheen, you know whatever,
Wiener Gate, all that stuff. I

493
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.160
had a client. You had a
couple of clients with some of those things.

494
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:00.720
But yeah, yeah, right,
But so that you know, it's

495
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:04.240
not a situation where, okay,
if they get if they take out an

496
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:07.279
opera man, the client's just going
to hire somebody else, you know.

497
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.119
So I'm really not at that high
risk where this situation here there really was

498
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.240
no client. It was me negotiating
this for my own benefits, you know,

499
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:18.759
for my own and it was just
very uncomfortable doing that, okay,

500
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:21.759
And I don't think I'm up for
it this moment in my life, so

501
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:25.279
I backed away from it. But
I think the stars were all in aligned,

502
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:30.559
and I think that had I pursued
it, we may not have we

503
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:34.680
may not be seeing this chaos we
see right now in the House of Representatives

504
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:38.519
right now, which I'm taking perfectly
with. You know. I said the

505
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:45.160
other day that Matt Gates is a
fellow who who broke up with his high

506
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:51.960
school girlfriend the night before prom.
He fired Kevin McCartney there with no replacement

507
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:53.440
in sight. So he breaks up
with his call his high school girlfriend with

508
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.559
no date for the problem, and
then prom night he went stick, but

509
00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.640
he fired the limo driver, so
he has no ride home, okay,

510
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:05.119
which it's the same kind of stunt
he pulled there with having no one to

511
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.400
fill in for Kevin McCartney there.
Yeah, well, you know, he's

512
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.119
that kind of guy. You know, I don't need to play it,

513
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:14.440
but you know it's odd because I
would have thought, you know, if

514
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:15.640
it was going to be a sex
tape, I would have pointed at a

515
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:21.160
different congressman. But I'll ask you
about that maybe off air. I see

516
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.680
what you gotta say, because well, you know, I'm not going to

517
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.079
press you on it. You don't
want to reveal it just yet. Oh

518
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:29.160
no, I can't. No,
I wouldn't be allowed to do that.

519
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.319
I can't say larning that stuff.
No, no, But I just want

520
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:35.119
to throw something at you that I
heard, you know, through the grapevine.

521
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:39.680
But we'll get to it later.
Anyways, So you're telling me about

522
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:44.759
this whole thing with the intrepid,
okay, and that that's really fascinating.

523
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.039
Oh my Trump story, I want
to tell you real fast. Remember back

524
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:52.000
in the time when Trump was working
a lot with Vince McMahon, and Vince

525
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:59.160
McMahon was doing this I don't know, Bodybuilding Federation crap, right, yeah,

526
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:04.680
okay, So anyways, they had
this event in Atlantic City and they

527
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.480
had you know, like a press
room in this kind of thing, and

528
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.039
then there was another place I guess
fans could meet the bodybuilders or something.

529
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:14.799
Right, it was like Vince McMahon's
big next thing. He was because he

530
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:20.279
was mister personal bodybuilder too and all
that. Anyways, I got invited there

531
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:24.160
by some of the guys that worked
security, but not the group that's normally

532
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:28.480
with Trump, like the adjunct guys
that he would pick up locally. Okay,

533
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.519
same group of guys that would handle
like say, when you know the

534
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:35.240
the MTV beach house came to a
town or you know that kind of stuff.

535
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.799
That little group of guys. You
know what I'm talking about, Yeah,

536
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:44.160
Okay. So the thing is that
they're they're not they're not connected to

537
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:49.119
Italian businessmen, but they are connected
to Italian businessmen, right they they know

538
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.119
them, but they don't really work
for them. So there's this odd confluence.

539
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:57.160
In this private room that was had
there was like a like a closed

540
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:01.400
off not a dining room, but
like a banquet room there, I guess,

541
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:06.119
okay, at the Trump property,
and I got invited to be in

542
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:10.639
there. In this room, there's
no press allowed, okay, and everybody

543
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:15.239
speculating whether Trump's gonna come through there, McMahon's gonna come through there. Trump

544
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:20.440
himself walks in there, and I
happen to be sitting with guys who I

545
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:23.360
don't want to give out their name. Still I can tell the story,

546
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:28.639
but I can't give out their name. Anyways, let's just say these were

547
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.719
guys who definitely would have known all
about the cement stuff that I that I

548
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:38.800
talked to you about years ago with
Trump and everything right okay, and they're

549
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.760
just laughing at him. I got
to shake Trump's hand. I never wanted

550
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.119
to admit it, admitted on air. People ask me, hey, you

551
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.239
ever meet him, because you were, you know, in New Atlantic City.

552
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:51.320
I never even wanted to admit this
because I wasn't sure if I could

553
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:55.559
even tell the story. But the
joke was he walks away after you know,

554
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:59.960
these guys are like snickering at him, and they're going, you know,

555
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.599
well, one thing I can guarantee
you is this, he says to

556
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:06.119
one of the guys that I knew, said to me, one thing I

557
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.639
can guarantee you is this. He'll
never stiff us. He stiff everybody else,

558
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:14.199
but not us, not that I
promise you. And I said,

559
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:15.840
well why, he said, well, you never read about it in the

560
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.079
papers, have you? And then
there was a comment about you could also

561
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.800
look he realizes that I don't care
who he is, will end up in

562
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:29.000
a trunk, so we never get
stiffed. Keep that in mind. That's

563
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.519
what he told me I was okay. Anyway. I got to shake his

564
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:37.360
hand though, and his hands aren't
that big. Just telling you, you

565
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:39.559
know, I believe that. And
I don't know if you have ever heard

566
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:46.199
that John Tino story. The name
is familiar, but go ahead. I

567
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:51.119
think they bought. His name is
Jeff Lee Levigne and he wrote a book

568
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:54.679
about the Trump and about Trump and
his women and stuff like that. I

569
00:35:54.719 --> 00:36:00.119
had him on the show anyway.
In the book he talks about this fellow.

570
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.400
His fake name is John Tino,
and he used to run the massage

571
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.679
parlors in Times Square, like in
the early eighties, and Trump used to

572
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:14.639
according to John Tino, who was
organized crime, that Trump would go in

573
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:16.199
there and he would hook him up
with this porn star and Trump would go

574
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.360
in. They'd call him mister real
Estate, and Trump would have sex with

575
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.920
these porn stars. And he said
that they were filming everything that was going

576
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.599
on in there, and that one
time Trump had a threesome with a porn

577
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:29.719
star and a very young girl like
twelve thirteen years old. Okay, with

578
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.840
a girl there, and they have
a film at at Now what makes you

579
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:37.599
know you hear these stories? Okay, it's in a book, but what

580
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:42.119
makes me believe it. There's a
couple of things. When the whole Epstein

581
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.159
thing broke. I forget when at
one point, either when Epstein died or

582
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.760
when he got arrested, the crap
hit the fan. I was getting phone

583
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.079
calls from everybody. Business Insider was
going to my website downloading the twenty four

584
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:58.960
page letter where Epstein said he created
the Clinton Foundation, and I was being

585
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:00.800
contact BBC interviewed. I could go
to find out if I look up that

586
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:05.960
BBC interview and the people reports were
coming to me, and they were kind

587
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:07.400
of saying, hey, you don't
believe that John Tino stuff, do you?

588
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.400
And I says, well, what
Johntino stuff? Of course, I

589
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:16.480
don't believe that. You know what
Jontino stuff. And then when I interviewed

590
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:22.639
the guy who wrote the book and
mentioned the whole John Tino story, they

591
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:28.440
wouldn't talk about John Tino. I
had him on, then I had his

592
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:30.239
co author on. First I had
the co author on and she says,

593
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.480
oh, you have to ask you
how the author he knows about Johntino.

594
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:36.599
He worked on that part. I
was asleep that day. Okay, you

595
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:38.960
have to talk to him. And
he wouldn't talk about it either. It's

596
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:44.280
in the book after the book was
published. But that the something happens,

597
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:51.079
Okay, a mystery where suddenly people
don't want to talk about something that's already

598
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.840
in the book. Money gets to
them in some kind of ways. Because

599
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:59.079
the woman went on vacation in France
for months. I saw that, and

600
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:05.360
somehow and even you know Daniel hanks
Man, he talks about this. He

601
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.519
says he worked for the tabloids at
those times cover up stories for Trump,

602
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.519
so he must know a lot of
stuff. Right. Well, look,

603
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:15.519
there's the catch and kill angle.
But there's also this other problem here because

604
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:16.639
if you notice at a certain point, you know, when they did the

605
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:21.360
whole sweep and they cleaned out you
know, Times Square in that whole area,

606
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:23.719
and you know, those massage parlors
became a thing of the pass because

607
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:29.039
of Giuliani. Right yeah, Okay, Well here's the thing. Not everybody

608
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:30.320
got picked up or went to jail
there, you know what I mean?

609
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.159
That is so true. Yeah,
So if you pay attention to who didn't

610
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.519
go to jail there, you can
kind of see who got let go,

611
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.719
you know what I mean? And
I think that's what it's got to do

612
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.920
with because now I'm putting this together
in my mind about something I think it's

613
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:52.239
related to that is that there were
certain people that Giuliani was not allowed to

614
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.639
touch. The strip clubs too.
They put those previsions on the strip clubs.

615
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.840
They couldn't be close to a church
or school and stuff like that,

616
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.800
and a whole bunch of strip to
shut down except for ones associated with a

617
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.960
certain group. That's right, uh, the pathrow right there, you go,

618
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.400
exactly exactly that was the thing.
And I can't track down. I

619
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:14.199
mean, I know some people who
should be able to tell me that,

620
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:19.239
but they don't tell me that,
you know what I mean. So there's

621
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:24.880
something about that where certain people were
untouchable for a reason, and I think

622
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:29.239
that that has continued to go on, and they might have caught, you

623
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.840
know, instead of a pecker catching
and killing that tape or whatever, it

624
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.000
might have been caught and killed for
Giuliani, you know what I mean,

625
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.440
and for Trump, you know what
I mean, Like that thing comes together

626
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:44.000
like look, you let us operate, and we got this, you know

627
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.159
what I'm saying. One of those
kinds of things, Cause that's the sense

628
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.679
I get. I can't prove that. But that is the sense I get

629
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:53.840
from the situation because I've always and
I've tried to tell people, go look

630
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:59.599
at it for yourself and see who
didn't have to lose their businesses. Okay,

631
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:01.880
he was on his crusade, right, he was shutting down pornos stores,

632
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:05.599
he was shutting down massage parlors.
We're going to clean out all this

633
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:07.000
fils. We're going to turn it
into a family. You know, you're

634
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.320
gonna come here for New Year's Eve. It's going to be this clean,

635
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.360
corporate place. You know, the
eminem store will be here, right,

636
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:16.840
you know what I'm talking about.
And uh yeah, they did that,

637
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:21.880
sure, but take a look at
who didn't get their stuff seized. Take

638
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.719
away that story about Giuliani and Lee
Roy Nicky Barnes. I've heard it,

639
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:30.440
yeah, because you can go on
YouTube and you can listen to the recording

640
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:35.639
when Leroy Nicky Barnes makes his phone
call to the SDNY and he says,

641
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:37.400
listen, I want to cooperate with
you guys, because what's going on is,

642
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.039
you know, the guy's out there
supposed to be doing things for me,

643
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:45.760
but they're doing things against me.
And what happened was his His wife

644
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:49.360
was outdating one of the guys that
worked for him, so he sent some

645
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.679
guys in there to kill them,
and instead of killing him, they sat

646
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:54.440
down and they drank and they partied
with him. So Nicky Barnes gets all

647
00:40:54.440 --> 00:41:00.280
pissed off. He has nowhere to
go. He goes to Giuliani's crew that's

648
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.880
d n y and he says,
listen, these guys supposed to doing things

649
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.880
for me, they're doing things against
me. That's the only reason I'm coming

650
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:08.920
to you. This is on tape, it's on YouTube. Anybody can watch

651
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:14.039
it. Wow. The next day, two white guys go into that same

652
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.760
nightclub and shoot the guys Nicky Barnes's
enemies, no kidding. And then who

653
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:24.519
goes Giuliani's out to a a press
conference out in front like that club.

654
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.559
So don't worry, we're looking at
to this. We're gonna find out what's

655
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:35.360
responsible. Yeah beautiful. Uh yeah, Okay, well that that's interesting.

656
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.400
Do you want to people know that
story then? Because you know my partner,

657
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.400
I'm gonna look at his dad was
the guy who was the cop who

658
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.719
arrested Nicky Barnes for bribery. Okay, that's a great story too, but

659
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.000
the other life had me have a
couple of drinks to say, yeah,

660
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.679
no, look I would I would
love to get into that. I mean

661
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.440
that, that whole that whole thing
fascinates me. You know, the it

662
00:41:54.519 --> 00:42:00.079
goes way beyond the American Gangster film, you know what I mean, with

663
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.320
with what went on there and tell
you the truth. That's That's another thing

664
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:08.679
that I've started writing my book and
I'm rewriting it with a co author when

665
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:13.639
I come back from Dallas. But
you know, there was a point at

666
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:17.079
which I got introduced to one of
the commission members when I was a kid,

667
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:23.280
you know, yeah, well,
yeah, he would be referred to

668
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:28.800
as the heavier gentleman, you know
what I'm saying. Anyways, all he

669
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:30.639
was concerned with is wisest kid here, and he wanted me to get something

670
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:35.840
to eat. But that because I
was kind of like a gopher, like

671
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.400
a mascot for one of these local
wise guys, who, by the way,

672
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:42.480
I still can't track down what his
real name was. I called him

673
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.920
Uncle Joey, and everybody referred to
him as Joey, but that was not

674
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.800
his legal name. And he disappeared
at a certain point a Jersey based wise

675
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.840
guy who happened to make trips into
New York and happened to be in that,

676
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:58.199
say, the southern part of Harlem, I believe is what the what

677
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:02.679
he had control over, you know
what I'm tyingalking about? Anyways? Yeah,

678
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:09.800
so right, the guy who would
be referred to as fat let's put

679
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:15.000
it that way. But anyway,
there's a whole thing about the heroin moving

680
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.440
in and out of Jersey and all
kinds of stuff, because you know,

681
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:25.039
it's funny. I get to the
DEA agents. I don't want to get

682
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:28.559
the wrong one, but I think
it was the one was I don't think

683
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.000
it was the one that was the
guy the cop behind the French connection.

684
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:35.119
I think I answered it a couple
that week, and uh I asked him.

685
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:38.079
I says, what about the CIA
smuggling heroin and cocaine. Oh no,

686
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:45.679
there's no proof of that. Okay, there's nothing to see there been

687
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:47.639
off it. I say it.
He tells this story off the air.

688
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.599
But by the way, you talking
about catch and kill not to change the

689
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:54.440
subject. Yeah, catch and kill. That's my my client, that Keith

690
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:59.519
Davidson who was involved in a hold, catch and kill with the McDougall and

691
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:02.400
Stormy's nice. Well, and that's
that's the next update I want to get.

692
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:05.440
Yeah, but to tell you the
truth though, I mean, I

693
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.760
was starting to do stuff like,
uh, I learned really early how to

694
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:13.199
cut heroin, Okay is what it
was. And yeah, I didn't.

695
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.199
I didn't talk about this for a
while, but I felt like it was.

696
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:20.840
The chapter in the book is called
look, the Drug War has child

697
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:25.880
Soldiers too, Okay, And it
all came out. I decided to talk

698
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:31.280
about it because I had interviewed Ricky
Ross and uh, you know, I

699
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:34.760
talked to him off air a little
bit about Hey man, let me ask

700
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.119
you a question. Didn't you find
it strange that all of a sudden,

701
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:42.079
like coast to coast, we all
suddenly had the formula how to make ready

702
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.840
rock. Like it was just one
of those things that sort of showed up

703
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:49.960
for us, you know what I
mean. It just it's spread seemingly like

704
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:53.159
simultaneously, even though people in California
weren't talking to people in New Jersey,

705
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.440
New York, Connecticut, you know, so on how is it that we

706
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.599
all knew instantly how to turn you
know, cocing to rock. You know

707
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:05.159
what I'm saying, because that was
the next thing I learned how to do

708
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:08.159
when we were doing this in the
basements of housing projects, okay, in

709
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.800
rooms that we had set up with
you know, we had clean room set

710
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:16.159
up, Okay, but in the
same rooms only a few months before I

711
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:20.480
was sitting there whacking up heroin.
I was bulking out heroin, stepping on

712
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:22.679
it, you know. But it
was just one of those things that I

713
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.039
had a skill for. I could
do it, and I could do it

714
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:29.559
properly. And we were working with
stuff. We were working with fentanyl back

715
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.280
in eighty two. Man, I
don't understand why people are talking about this

716
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:35.719
is new. That's interesting. We're
just talking to somebody else about this recently,

717
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:37.679
and they were saying that fentanyls around
a long time ago too. Yeah,

718
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.480
I was unaware of it. No, it came to us, those

719
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:45.079
of us that were there, you
know, breaking things down and for redistribution,

720
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:49.840
right, we had that in eighty
two. Fentanyl, who was readily

721
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:53.039
available, was cheapest hell too.
People tell me that it's slightly different now,

722
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:58.079
and I imagine it is. But
we had ventanyl along with the other

723
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.480
stuff, you know, with the
QUINEI and all that stuff. There's a

724
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:04.960
whole bunch of different things. But
I'm not going to get directions and I'm

725
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.360
not going to share the information or
give somebody recipes here. But what I'm

726
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:12.480
saying is this has been going on
a long time. I found it interesting

727
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.960
though, that me and Ricky Ross
could tie it down to like an exact

728
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:20.320
month. Well really, all of
a sudden, I interviewed Ricky Ross too,

729
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:24.000
you know, a while ago,
and I'll tell you something. And

730
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:28.119
I remember, I forget what I
guess it was in the eighties. It

731
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:31.840
had to be like after nineteen eighty
that I was getting the marijuana from the

732
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:37.840
yippies and used it would used to
be commercial Colombian three hundred and fifty pounds.

733
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:42.199
And these guys have shown me this
stuff that's three hundred ounce, you

734
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.519
know. And I took one one
head off as like an lyst trip,

735
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.000
and you could see the difference right
away. Oh yeah, And I went.

736
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:51.119
I took some of it back to
the guys on Stanton islandho were the

737
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:52.239
big shots, and I said,
look look what I have. I can

738
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:55.119
get this for you. I can
get you all you want. I can

739
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:59.719
get you, you know, truckloads
of this stuff right, and he held

740
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:04.159
up a twenty dollars quarter quarter pounds
right, quarterounds? What was it?

741
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:07.079
Twenty dollar bad quarterbouns? Right?
Yeah? What did they call that quarter

742
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:08.119
around? Said? Well, back
then, I mean, look, you

743
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:12.760
had eighths usually were about twenty bucks
then, I think, right, and

744
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.960
sure, no eight it was forty
dollars an ounce, but they used to

745
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:21.119
call a quote around something twenty dollars
and whatever. Anyway, But the thing

746
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:22.159
is he held up what he says, says, ed, look, you

747
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:28.159
can have forty joints here for twenty
bucks, and you want to charge someone

748
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.079
twenty bucks for five joints and say, no one's gonna buy that. I

749
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.239
was one of those kids selling joints
for a dollar back then. It always

750
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:37.840
by yeah, So I've rolled hundreds
of thousands to joints. I was making

751
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.119
thirty hundred weeks in high school.
But the thing is, it wasn't until

752
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:49.360
sixty minutes did a show an episode
about Hawaiian marijuana. Look at this Hawaiian

753
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:54.159
marijuana. It sends similarly, there's
no seeds, it's exotic marijuana. And

754
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:59.679
right after that, everybody wanted Hawaiian
And what did I have? I had

755
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:01.960
this that extensively for three hundred dollars
an ounce, and then everybody wanted it

756
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:07.159
right away. Some people were calling
it the Maui Wowie or whatever. But

757
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:12.119
this was from Mexico. Now,
this stuff wasn't from the Hey, look

758
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.599
I just told you what they called
it. I'm not telling you what they

759
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.079
were. It was growing. It
was that was real, you know,

760
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:21.199
I'm just saying. But they would
call it that. And then the big

761
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:23.960
thing all of a sudden there and
about that time period was no, this

762
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:28.599
is the hydroponic this is new.
This is a new way of growing it.

763
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:30.880
Remember, oh no, yeah,
but that was real too. That

764
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:32.960
stuff was powerful. Man, when
I start growing on stuff indors. By

765
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.840
the way, I just interviewed this
guy wrote a book about Tom frassad from

766
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.480
the founder of High Sight Times magazine. I just interviewed him a couple of

767
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:43.760
weeks ago. The book has chaos
on the title, I fear what it's

768
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.280
called, but really interesting stuff.
I found out a lot of stuff I

769
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:50.519
didn't And I know I know all
those guys. But by the way,

770
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:57.559
you know what aj Wemmer told me
that he was at George No, he

771
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:06.320
was at Alan Ginsburg's apartment and Alan
Ginsburg gave a bj to George Soros.

772
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:12.199
What yes, Wow, George Soros
was hanging around with those guys. I

773
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.159
would have never known that. I
never heard of that. I screenshot it

774
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:20.679
as I heard this. You know, wow, is that a long story.

775
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:22.280
But we were talking about, you
know, because that was the same

776
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.039
crew with Tom Frasad and all those
guys yet be headquarters down on a nine

777
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:29.320
bleak of the street and dial a
joint and all those characters. And I

778
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:30.880
found a lot of a lot of
new stuff. I found that a lot

779
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:34.440
of stuff in his interview, man, I didn't know before. Is that

780
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.360
what Abby Hoffman was coming back into
circulation over there? That that whole thing.

781
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:42.000
I was there the day he turned
himself in. And uh, my

782
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.239
friend, my friend, I used
to get my pot from Fred got better?

783
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.239
Who would get it from AJ?
And AJ got it from the hippie

784
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.400
mafia Richard Stratton okay, okay,
and hit Richard Stratton's one that brought in

785
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:57.000
all that hash too. I sold
a ton of that hash man okay.

786
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:00.400
And when Abda Abby Hoffman turned himself
in, all the press came down to

787
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:05.960
hippie headquarters on nine Bleika Street and
the whole street was covered in press trying

788
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.760
to get a story, and Fred
was the yippie spokesperson. So I says,

789
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:12.000
hey, aren't you going to go
talk to them? He goes,

790
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:16.119
no way, I'm keeping a low
profile as you can. Look up.

791
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:19.800
Fred got better. Man. I
love this guy. He was a hero

792
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.559
to me. He told me so
much. He died of heroin addiction,

793
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:27.679
like so many people in those days, and he got on that ergotamine.

794
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:31.119
You know, he was part of
the gotamine project that does reduce the cravings

795
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:35.920
for heroin. But what happens is, man, is you take one little

796
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.039
hit after that and it kills you. You know, it's like you're,

797
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:42.239
oh, yeah, it's not like
it's not like the blockers, is he

798
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:46.039
They have blockers today that just makes
it so it doesn't work. But they

799
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:51.039
used to have stuff that made you
either violently ill or could kill you unless

800
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.000
you lost your cravings. Man.
And but then as soon as you took

801
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:57.719
me and you're what's that called your
resilience to it? You know, your

802
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:01.760
resistance? Yeah, you're you're yeah, you're resistant. So you're what do

803
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:05.559
you call yeah that word? Yeah, But it's so it's so reduced that

804
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:07.119
you took one at ahead of heroine
that would kill you say he overdosed on

805
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:12.880
heroin. Man, Yeah, ah
man, brilliant guy too, and everybody

806
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.679
who knew him and talked about him
loved him. Well. Look, and

807
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:21.280
I saw the introduction of and I
didn't work with it. I never worked

808
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:23.920
with the what they call meths today, you know, but but back then

809
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:28.480
it was crank. And yeah,
that was another thing that was just there

810
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:32.480
were labs all over in Jersey,
and not just in North Jersey either,

811
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:35.920
but there was plenty in North Jersey, but there were labs all up and

812
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:40.000
down the coast that it was a
matter of going in and working with I'll

813
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:45.079
just give you is working with Sealerno's
people, Okay, to get the heroin

814
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:49.559
uh, you know, cocaine.
I never knew exactly where that came from,

815
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.079
except it was somebody out of Florida. That's all I ever knew about

816
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.960
that. But it arrived and we
had to work with it, and we

817
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:59.920
suddenly had the recipe for you know, base or ready rock, which later

818
00:51:59.920 --> 00:52:02.719
on people called crack. Okay,
uh, but that stuff was in our

819
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:07.199
hands around the same time again that
the uh you know that this ventanyl was

820
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:12.519
and that's why I was surprised when
I saw a fentanyl show up in legitimate

821
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:16.000
you know, pharmaceuticals later because I
didn't. I wasn't aware of that until

822
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:19.920
like maybe the early two thousands,
and all of a sudden, people were

823
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.920
saying, yeah, they make these
ventanyl patches, and like, I wasn't

824
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.320
in that business at that point,
you know, because I was doing that

825
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:30.000
as a kid to survive. But
by the time I'm an adult, I'm

826
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.159
hearing about guys that are turning around
and you know, getting you know,

827
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:37.280
boxes falling off of trucks there with
fentanyl patches in it, you know what

828
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:38.400
I'm saying. And they were taking
strips, right, they some kind of

829
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:42.960
strips and they would take them and
they would actually take the fentanyl back out

830
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.639
of the patch and put it in
because it was like dirt cheap to do

831
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.800
it and you could put it back
into. So the heroin supply in the

832
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:52.159
early two thousands had some of this
in it too, but it was this

833
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:58.880
repurposed crap from the patches and then
somebody else. But but we used to

834
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.920
get that from, you know,
out of Philly. That was part of

835
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:05.800
the trade that went on with the
Pagans, because the Pagans got into the

836
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:09.039
crank business, right, and so
they were in the crank business. Crack

837
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:13.800
was just everybody's game and the heroin. Like I said, you had to

838
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:15.880
get it out of Harlem. I
used to make many trips to Harlem,

839
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:20.639
and my first trip to Harlem I
remember clearly in seventy eight. I was

840
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:24.119
six years old, first time going
through there. It's a whole weird story

841
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:29.440
anyway, But the point is that
a lot of this stuff that people think

842
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:32.360
is brand new is not new.
And you used to have much larger networks

843
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:37.519
now. The reason why I bring
all this up is because Nicky Barnes and

844
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.559
all those people that was all that
stuff that was involved before, right,

845
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.519
So it was sort of like still
working off at the back of that and

846
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:49.360
still getting whatever the Sicilians were getting
out of that. Wherever their supply was

847
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:54.960
coming from was massively supplying like the
whole I don't know Northeast pretty much at

848
00:53:55.039 --> 00:54:00.400
Harlem. So anyway, it's just
it's just one of those things. But

849
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.719
like I said, commiserating with Ricky
Ross made me realize that, you know

850
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:08.119
what, we all got the same
information. It was like urban chemistry got

851
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:14.400
shared simultaneously across the whole country.
And it wasn't like, oh, of

852
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.239
course gang bangers talk to each other
and stuff. I got nothing to do

853
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:21.800
with gang bangers on the West Coast. But yet the same month, I've

854
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.559
got that information that somebody's teaching me
how to do it in a basement,

855
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:29.599
in a tenement in Jersey, that
he's learning out there on the West Coast.

856
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:30.920
Except he was a smarter business guy. You know. I was just

857
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:35.239
a kid, but he was,
you know, older than me, and

858
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.199
he knew how to you know,
organized business. He had it coming in

859
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:42.280
so quick, he didn't know how
to get rid of it. He was

860
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.079
starting to set up distribution everywhere,
you know, you know, the Ricky

861
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:49.000
Ross story, inside and out right, quite outside and out. But I

862
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.079
had him on the show years ago. Yeah, well, I mean enough

863
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:54.000
to know that what I'm saying to
you sounds George Webb, Yeah, George

864
00:54:54.000 --> 00:55:00.000
web Well, Gary Webb, Gary
Webb, Yeah, Gary Webb. Hey,

865
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:00.840
you know what, man, real
quick, We've only got a couple

866
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:05.519
of minutes left. I would like
to pay tribute to Daniel Hopsick, who

867
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.119
just passed away, you know,
and the last interview I did with him,

868
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:12.039
he really went into the whole Gary
web thing, how much he admired

869
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:16.639
Gary Webb and what an influence it
was on his life too. And so

870
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:22.760
we you know, uh Dennis Daniel, Hopsicker Daniel, all that stuff,

871
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:29.119
barrying the boys, the Muhammad Anta's
flying circus, you know, all the

872
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.280
work he's done on the on the
the flight schools down there in Venice,

873
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:37.159
the nine to eleven flight schools,
all that incredible work. Man, I

874
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:43.760
tell you, you know, when
I learned about his work and I read

875
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:45.239
all his stuff before I ever did
a radio show, I said, if

876
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.599
you know, this is the kind
of people I want to have on the

877
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.800
show, you know. And I
had him on like the first ten shows.

878
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:54.199
And he had never done a show
before, he had done one show.

879
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:58.639
But he got well, he got
spooked by them, you know that

880
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:01.000
they were just so crazy, and
he had done like one YouTube thing,

881
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:04.440
you know. So I got him, Hue Man, We got him on

882
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.480
the record, and then we became
friends. I had him on ten times

883
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.079
over the years, all great stuff. Man looking into voting machines that did

884
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:14.599
great work, and we lost them
this year. You know, one of

885
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:20.559
these old reliable sober characters, man
out there doing really good, hard reporting

886
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:24.199
and taking the consequences for it,
and they assued many times, and you

887
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:30.599
had brutal cancer at the end,
you know. So I just would like

888
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.800
to you know, I've been asked
a few times to go on shows and

889
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:37.400
do a tribute to Daniel Hopsiker,
and this was my first opportunity to talk

890
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.360
about him. No. Look,
great great stuff that he put out,

891
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:45.320
you know, And you could argue
with a lot of stuff you know that

892
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:49.000
anybody puts out, obviously, but
the truth is that, you know,

893
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.880
this is the type of thing that
you know, guys like Doug Valentine have

894
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:54.840
done great work on. And I
mean I just heard from him today.

895
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:58.360
Yeah, yeah, Daniel, how's
he doing, by the way, because

896
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:01.239
he was not doing too well last
times. And the problem I'm trying to

897
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.079
get him on the show, but
the problem is I don't see him,

898
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.880
Like right now, I don't have
a camera on this computer with the microphone

899
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:08.880
hooked into so you have to do
it with which we can read your lips,

900
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.440
you know, yes, right,
yeah, But he's written that great

901
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:19.800
book that just came out, you
know, the new book by Doug Hunton.

902
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.199
It just came out just a very
very recently I got a copy over

903
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:29.000
here. Okay, you're looking to
see what the title is. Yes,

904
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.360
I am, because I have a
very bad memory. Yeah right, Valentine

905
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:36.639
Miquen, Oh no, not that
one. Pisce's Moon, The Dark Arts

906
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.519
of Empire and uh yeah, he
was just contacting me today talking about too

907
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.719
about this. Yeah. I know
you don't want to talk about it either,

908
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:45.719
but this is really a genocide going
on, and how this is textbook

909
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:50.880
Project Phoenix, you know. Yeah, well, okay, so that's the

910
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:57.440
uh okay, uh places Moon?
That one, The Dark Arts of Empire.

911
00:57:57.519 --> 00:57:59.920
Yeah, I was, yeah,
a blind guy trying to read on

912
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:05.079
the fly. Whats moon? Uh? Yeah? Dark? Uh what is

913
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.159
it? Let's see the Dark Arts. Let me click on this thing and

914
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.920
go to it. The Dark Arts
of Empire right by Doug Valentine. That

915
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:14.760
that's the new one. Huh yep, that's a brand new how off the

916
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:16.800
press that just came out? Uh
yeah, well no, I was just

917
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:21.079
mentioning that, you know, stuff
by him, you know, Powder Burns

918
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:23.079
by Sally Castillo. I mean,
all this stuff on the drug war is

919
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:28.880
extremely important. He uh, what
do you call it? Uh? Daniel

920
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:34.159
got into the uh the hasson Puss
story and all that too, Right which

921
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.880
one not that? Which which the
CIA pilot guy? Oh yeah, definitely?

922
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.559
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So
I'm just saying, I mean,

923
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:44.599
this is the guy who was doing
a lot of work for a long time

924
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:46.079
on stuff like that. And I
would just say, you know, if

925
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:51.440
you're familiar with Ricky Ross and Sally
Castillo and Doug Valentine, you should also

926
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.840
be familiar with with Daniel's work.
Right that was Castillo still alive? Yeah?

927
00:58:54.960 --> 00:59:00.039
Yeah, absolutely, because I was
supposed to get him through Danny Romero.

928
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.800
Is Danny Ramar's life as far as
I know. Okay, But if

929
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.519
you want Selley's number, I give
you Selley's number one or done? Yeah,

930
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:08.920
I think I text his number,
I called his number, I left

931
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:10.760
it for him. But if you
want to put in a little recommendation for

932
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:13.440
me there, you know what I
can get for you. If you want

933
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:17.320
who's that chewing on shaman? You
know what? I would talk to him

934
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:21.920
what? But But let me just
ask you this is he is he still

935
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:27.400
like committed to that whole thing?
Is he still like all in? Yeah?

936
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:30.119
He is. He's a He's a
nice guy though, man, He's

937
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:36.440
a sincere guy, crazy you know, I asked my question about a h

938
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:43.199
a wolf or something like that,
or and he went on forever Yellow Selly

939
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:46.280
went on forever. Okay, Okay. But the thing is it's funny because

940
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:50.760
he came on my show and he
says, yeah, I'm still for Trump,

941
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:52.639
you know, because he had it
says in his Wikipedia he had abandoned

942
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.519
Trump and his lawyer said he was
no longer supporting Trump. Comes on my

943
00:59:55.559 --> 01:00:00.559
show he has offered Trump. Three
months later, t see Cunan Shaman,

944
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:07.280
step a Trump, no mention of
the poor, Edimns, the Rodney Dangerfield

945
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:09.760
of radio. This happens to you, I was gonna say before, this

946
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:14.239
happens to you a lot, doesn't
it, because there's been a bunch of

947
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:16.800
times where like I remember a couple
of years, no more than a couple

948
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:20.079
of years ago, probably five six
years ago, you were on my show

949
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.679
and you mentioned something, and the
next thing I know is like maybe a

950
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:30.960
week later, it was this breaking
headline and like you you were like sending

951
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:32.280
me a text on Skype like damn
it, you see this, look at

952
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:36.119
this. And I was like,
oh wow, yeah, you mentioned that

953
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.639
on my show. Like I had
the Bill Clinton mistress came on and said

954
01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:45.719
that Hillary Clinton had had an abortion
or maybe it was two abortions after Chelsea

955
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:49.960
was born, and then Rush Limbo
says it then he has it's kind of

956
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:54.960
not mine anymore. Another one was
Joe Scarborough was talking about my Steve Banning

957
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:58.440
porn and meth house, about the
padlocks on the inside of the house.

958
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:00.679
No one talked about that before and
stuff, right, the band and stuff

959
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.920
was part of this one time too
with you where it was like, wait

960
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:07.480
a minute, you just told all
this stuff on my show, but like

961
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:10.840
it was like a month later before, uh, I know, before it

962
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:15.440
was like, oh look according to
it was like no, not bright part.

963
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:16.360
What do you call it? The
other guy, the guy who never

964
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:21.800
changed this stuff and died, the
guy who still got like the nineteen ninety

965
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:23.679
five version of his website up.
What's his name? Oh that Trudge?

966
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:28.119
Yeah, yeah, Drudge. It
goes on Drudge and they're like Drudge revealed

967
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:30.880
and I'm like, Drudge revealed.
Opperman had it on, uh three weeks

968
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:34.880
ago, what are you talking about? Well, like I said, we

969
01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:37.400
did the first show on epstein Man
with Robert Morrow. That's the only guest

970
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:42.199
I could find that even knew the
name Jeffrey Epstein back in twenty thirteen.

971
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:44.800
Nobody knew the name. See,
that was something that I was talking to

972
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:49.719
just real fast because that lawsuit is
still ongoing, right, And I saw

973
01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:52.920
a settlement not too long ago with
the banks and all this, and I

974
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:57.159
got Pierce redmon On and we were
sitting there talking about you actually and saying,

975
01:01:57.199 --> 01:02:00.320
you know what it wasn't for like
Ed Opperman would have never known about

976
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:05.719
this. And then it becomes this
massive headline and I'm waiting for Opperman to

977
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.280
pop up on TV next because he
had all this stuff that they're like digging

978
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:12.360
around, going, oh, we
found out about this, and I'm like,

979
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:14.920
yeah, I knew that. I
know that woman's name. They're like,

980
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.559
we know for the first time,
here's a victim showing up at Glen

981
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:22.480
Maxwell's trial and all this other stuff. And I'm going all these all these

982
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:27.079
different you know, documentaries and everything
coming out. Nobody, nobody went to

983
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:30.920
Opperman, what's going on? That's
a good question. It makes you wonder,

984
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:35.800
right, you know what I was
gonna say. But let me tell

985
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:40.159
you some Stephen Hoffenberg, who was
Jeffrey Epstein's original partner back there a Tower

986
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:44.679
Financial and you know, okay,
you know it's a scam. It was

987
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:49.199
a Ponzi scheme, you know,
And but he was left holding the bag.

988
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:54.159
Everybody else skated. Rudy Giuliani was
the Tower Financial corporate attorney, paid

989
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:58.800
one million dollars a year. You
can google from night and day. You're

990
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:02.320
not gonna find that anywhere on Google. But Steven Hoffenberg wrote that check and

991
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:07.480
Steven hoffbuk told me that information on
tape on my show several times, so

992
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:09.679
it's no doubt about the accuracy.
Well, and that's that's the wild thing

993
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:12.719
with you is, like I said, you're always ahead of the curve.

994
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:14.800
Which, by the way, if
you were to be able to get to

995
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:19.559
Dallas, okay in November from the
seventeenth to the nineteenth, because I really

996
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.360
hope that you're gonna post this on
your operaman feed, you can put it

997
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:23.920
on Patreon, whatever you want to
do with it, because it's gonna be

998
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:28.559
a free show out to my listeners
as well. But if somebody's in Dallas

999
01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:30.440
and they want to come meet me, I'm gonna be at the jfk L

1000
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:35.559
Answer Conference from the seventeenth to the
nineteenth, and I'm promoting that all this

1001
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:38.280
month. I've got some interesting guests. I'm gonna have John Newman on you

1002
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:42.480
know, this coming week, and
I've had plenty of interesting guests recently about

1003
01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:46.159
it. But I'm gonna be the
MC of that conference and kind of running

1004
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:51.320
breakout rooms, panels, the media
room, all this stuff going on.

1005
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:55.159
Because it's the sixtieth anniversary of the
execution of John F. Kennedy there in

1006
01:03:55.239 --> 01:04:00.039
public in Dallas, Texas in nineteen
sixty three. It also happens to be

1007
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:03.760
the tenth anniversary of the Ocelli Effect. So I'm going to be giving out

1008
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:08.599
goodies for anybody who comes into support
and meet me there at the conference.

1009
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:11.360
Hell, if you want to meet
me outside the conference, get in touch

1010
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.400
with me. And if you just
happen to be in Dallas, you know,

1011
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:17.159
I'll sign something for you or get
you an Ocelli Effect hat or whatever.

1012
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:20.360
If you're a supporter of the show, or you're somebody who's you know,

1013
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:24.639
interested and wants to go check out
the conference, by all means,

1014
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:28.079
come on in and do that.
Because there are loads of speakers going to

1015
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.159
be there and I'm going to be
introducing everybody, and again there's going to

1016
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:33.440
be panel discussions. Like I said, John Newman will be there, a

1017
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:36.960
whole bunch of other guys, some
well known, and the youngest guy I've

1018
01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:42.360
ever seen give a presentation, a
guy who's fourteen years old, who I'm

1019
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:46.840
actually satisfied is well versed in the
photographic evidence in the case. That's a

1020
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:50.360
rarity right there, I'll tell you
that. And the youngest presenter I've ever

1021
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:54.960
seen at a conference, a fourteen
year old guy named Alex Harris, is

1022
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:59.280
going to do a presentation there on
the Dallas Cinema Associates film. But anyway

1023
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:02.800
of interesting stuff coming up there.
There's a lawsuit still ongoing with the Biden

1024
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:09.079
administration regarding the JFK records and the
crap that we've been handed so far and

1025
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:12.760
all that documentation we've been through.
Just want to let your listeners know that,

1026
01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:15.599
and of course remind mine once again
about it. Explain to me again

1027
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:20.440
what is It's called the Lancer JFK
Lancer. It is a conference. It's

1028
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:27.280
a twenty seventh conference that's been held
by JFK Lancer and it'll actually be at

1029
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:32.840
the Lorenzo Hotel in Dallas, Texas
from the seventeenth to the nineteenth of November,

1030
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:36.440
so that's Friday, Saturday, and
Sunday, and I'm taking a road

1031
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:41.440
trip there. And if anybody feels
like chipping into my well being as I

1032
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:45.039
go and all that, yeah,
I still need gas money and everything,

1033
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:48.159
but supporting the network will also allow
me to do stuff like get some special

1034
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:51.800
presentations. I'm planning on filming stuff, et cetera, et cetera. So

1035
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:57.360
yeah, there's a lot going on
there. And how would people if they

1036
01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:59.679
wanted to support this, how would
they do that? Oh? Yeah,

1037
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:01.480
well they can go. They can
sign up for either if you're not going

1038
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:04.280
to be in Dallas, you can
actually sign up for a virtual conference as

1039
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:09.039
well. I'll get i'll boot you
and i'll exchange links. But if you

1040
01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:14.559
go to JFK Lancer Publications dot com, I believe I'll double check that real

1041
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:17.960
fast and while I'm talking to here, but yeah, JFK Lancer Publications dot

1042
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:23.559
com. You can get there.
I'll give you a link and if you

1043
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:28.199
want to include it with your with
your show notes whatever, when you decide

1044
01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:31.559
to post this, Okay, I'd
be real grateful if you are. As

1045
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:35.519
a matter of fact, I'm gonna
make an announcement right now at this JFK

1046
01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:39.199
Lancer conference. Okay, if you
want to me check Ocelly. I will

1047
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:42.559
be lurking on the grasso. Okay, you can come there and look for

1048
01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:44.880
me. If you find me,
you will get a prize. How's that?

1049
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.239
Okay? What's the date for this
Lancer thing again? Seventeenth to the

1050
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:53.519
nineteenth of November of November, that's
correct, and it's yeah. JFK Lancer

1051
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:59.159
Publications dot Com is where you can
go. And yeah, I mean there's

1052
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:01.079
and it's three days, like I
said. And there's a lot of Brent

1053
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:04.880
Holland, Bill Simpitch, Bart Camp, I'm listed there, David Boylan,

1054
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:12.079
Larry Hancock, a whole bunch of
researchers, Stu Wexler, Vince Paul Meyra,

1055
01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:16.199
Robert Nelson, Rob Clark, Rex
Bradford, you know, so on

1056
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:18.440
and so forth, a lot of
people. If you know the case,

1057
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:21.320
well, let me ask you this. I just interviewed somebody recently who mentioned

1058
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:27.519
the JFK Lancer and Jeff Lancer Publications
dot com. Okay, and it was

1059
01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.239
either John Hanky or it was that
fellow who wrote that book about the Fuzzy

1060
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:33.760
Picture of Oswald in the doorway.
Yeah. Bart Camp would be that bar

1061
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:40.400
Camp and John Hankey was on your
show recently. I think Hanky one time

1062
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:44.639
presented at Lancer a long time ago. It's bart Camp. Okay, I

1063
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:46.360
just had bart Camp. That was
a great show too, and a very

1064
01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:51.280
interesting book. This guy's got some's
counting the hairs on the head. Yeah,

1065
01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:56.039
this fuzzy bigfoot photo of the background. Well, he's doing a presentation

1066
01:07:56.199 --> 01:08:00.599
at Lancer on this topic and I
planned to ask him question and I'll be

1067
01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:04.320
introducing them. So there you go. And I just gave you a link

1068
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:08.880
there to the JFK answer conference.
Like I said, if you look on

1069
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.840
Facebook, it's there too, and
I'll be tweeting about it and putting it

1070
01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.039
out on Facebook all the way up
to when I hit the road on the

1071
01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:19.399
fifteenth, because I'm going to be
driving with my my Friday Night co host

1072
01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:25.359
there. We're going to drive there
from Georgia here to Texas. So not

1073
01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:28.479
sure how long that takes, and
obviously I won't be doing the driving.

1074
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:30.920
So Texas is a big state.
Man takes a long time drafting Texas.

1075
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:33.239
It does, it does, But
I don't know. He seems to think

1076
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:36.439
we can do it in twelve hours
from making It's about right. I don't

1077
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:40.560
know, all right? So yeah, yeah too bad man. If I

1078
01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:42.600
would have more notice, I would
have maybe take a road trip with you.

1079
01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:44.840
They say they would have been fine. Listen, I would have loved

1080
01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:45.880
it if you if you feel like
it, I mean, you know,

1081
01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:48.760
we could we could sort of sort
something out. Let me know off air,

1082
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:50.760
think about it. Whatever. Yeah, it would It would take a

1083
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:54.520
miracle. And I just had a
big, big job. I could have

1084
01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:57.880
made some big money the other day. But then go through so JFK Answer

1085
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:00.680
Productions November seventeenth to the ninth.
I think meet Chuck o'celly. Look in

1086
01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:04.000
the grassy and the home you white
spot at Opperman. You have to look

1087
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:06.359
carefully. And here's the thing.
If you go there and you tell me

1088
01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:10.000
that you know you showed up from
this show or whatever, guaranteed, I'll

1089
01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:15.000
give you something for free, bumper
stick or pen pen something. I have

1090
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:17.119
t shirts a few other things with
me. I'm not something for free.

1091
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:23.720
No, no, no, that
would be something I did when I all

1092
01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.840
a young boy and I was just
trying to so big and be useful to

1093
01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:30.479
the to the insane. Adults around
me. So that was something I did

1094
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:33.319
as a kid. Okay, it's
just uh nice, hey man, hey,

1095
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:36.439
we all you know, we all
have a past ed. What what

1096
01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:40.680
are you working on currently that you
can talk about in public though? Any

1097
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:44.800
anything you want to remind my listeners
about? Uh not really, But I

1098
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:46.760
did want to say one last thing
about Hoffenberg. All this litigation you see

1099
01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:50.800
in the Virgin Islands to none of
this, all this suing these banks and

1100
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:54.359
JP Morgan and all that crap,
but that none of that would be happening

1101
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:59.239
if it wasn't for Stephen Hoffenberg who
initiated all of that. Man. People

1102
01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:01.680
only realize what this guy did,
even the lawsuits in the Virgin Islands,

1103
01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:06.720
because that's a weird situation where they're
going after you know, and I read

1104
01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.920
it the way I read it is, I mean, you got two banks

1105
01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:14.039
route have settled for something like was
it seventy five million dollars or something?

1106
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.079
Right? Well, yeah, but
even before that though, that's where the

1107
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:19.600
Epstein Trust was was down on the
Virgin Islands, right, and they the

1108
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:26.479
Virgin Islands of Denise George went after
that trust and well there was so much

1109
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:30.520
corruption, man, Okay, look
up the Butterfly Trust with these guys Darren

1110
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:33.760
and Dyke and Richard Kahan. They
had their because they're the executives of this

1111
01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:39.079
estate, and they had their wives
set up the Butterfly Trust and get paid

1112
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:42.119
ten million dollars. Okay, all
of this is out in the open.

1113
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:45.000
All this is known by all the
prosecutors down there and stuff like that.

1114
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:47.000
They were all got their little hands
in the pie. Uh. And then

1115
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:53.680
the whole big story about how Biden
went down there Christmas week and suddenly Denise

1116
01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:56.880
George was fired. No, that's
that wasn't about that at all. Okay,

1117
01:10:56.920 --> 01:11:00.600
it was about money. Well that's
about money, but anyway, and

1118
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:03.560
then later on came the is the
JP Morgan by the way, on JP

1119
01:11:03.640 --> 01:11:12.039
Morgan Chase is the company that runs
the food stamp uh with these EBT cards.

1120
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:16.079
Okay, they got a cut of
every EBT transaction. And they still

1121
01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:20.359
have to do that after they've been
openly caught here fronting for Epstein and nobody

1122
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:24.520
says a damn word about it.
Well, and they what they handle there

1123
01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:30.239
is the Department of Agricultural Credit System, which is technically not money. That's

1124
01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:32.199
the weirdest thing about it, right, is that it's technically not money,

1125
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:36.680
but somehow it get turns into money. It's it's really fascinating, right because

1126
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:43.079
and JP Morgan is integally involved in
y. That's fascinating. I can understand

1127
01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:45.319
maybe the Agriculture Department can do that, but how do they have a private

1128
01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:49.279
industry create money and then profit from
it. Yeah, they're saying they're creating

1129
01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:53.680
money out of a credit applied from
the Department of Agriculture. I mean,

1130
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:57.600
and nobody questions it. It's it's
the most bizarre thing. Just that if

1131
01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:00.359
it's running normally, no, no
Epstein, no nothing, you should be

1132
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:03.159
questioning this. Why does this work
this way? And also for listeners of

1133
01:12:03.159 --> 01:12:08.800
the Ocelli effect, if you go
to patreon dot com slash Opperman Report all

1134
01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:12.960
one word together Opperman Report and Opperman
has two p's in case you were wondering

1135
01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:17.359
the uh it's not the Opperman Report. Patreon dot com, Patreon dot com

1136
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:23.039
slash Opperman Report. Go there,
sign up. Guess what. I am

1137
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:27.520
a patron there and definitely agree that
Ed's work needs to be heard. And

1138
01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:30.159
it's cheap. I think I'm signed
up for like three bucks. Okay,

1139
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:32.640
Uh, just saying I don't I
don't have a big budget for stuff,

1140
01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:36.000
but it's well worth it. You
plunk down even three bucks, you're gonna

1141
01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:40.760
get plenty out of Ed's Patreon and
look, buy his books, go to

1142
01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:45.039
his website. Oppermanreport dot Com is
still running right, Oh yeah, And

1143
01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:46.960
like I said, so even on
Patreon, it's a lot of free stuff.

1144
01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:50.119
I put up free stuff all the
time, court documents and all stuff,

1145
01:12:51.079 --> 01:12:54.479
tons of free content on that.
So you just check it out whenever

1146
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:57.720
you can. Yeah, absolutely,
and I recommend it highly. And of

1147
01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:01.840
course not just because Ed's my but
he's often in the middle of a whole

1148
01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:09.960
lot of Some people call it shenanigans, but sometimes it is shenanigans. Sometimes

1149
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:15.399
it's very serious works. Yeah,
sometimes it's you know, it's awfully greasy.

1150
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:17.239
And like I always say, though, I'll tell you what, if

1151
01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:20.880
I ever end up in a divorce
court though, and somebody hires Ed Opperman

1152
01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:25.560
in opposition against me, I'm gonna
be really really pissed, and I'm gonna

1153
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:28.960
give up, first of all,
because hell of a private investigator, hell

1154
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:31.239
of a podcaster, and uh happy
to call him my friends. So,

1155
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.159
guys, no matter who you are, where you are, when you are.

1156
01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:38.600
I want you to remember that I
am merely O'Kelly, and all of

1157
01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:39.800
you are the effect.