WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:05.160 The final four matchups between Yukon and Alabama, NC State and Purdue. We're 2 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:07.919 going to talk more about him throughout. But some breaking news in the last 3 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:13.759 hour or so. Arkansas's job opened up yesterday, officially as Eric Musselman leaving 4 00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:18.920 Arkansas to take over at USC and the names that emerged as the most likely 5 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:23.600 candidates for the Arkansas job were Chris Beard, Jerome Tang, and Will Wade, 6 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:26.839 names that you guys heard us talk about quite a bit. In fact, 7 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.879 I'm sure a lot of fans talked about those guys extensively throughout Louisville situation. 8 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:35.799 But Pat Kelsey is the guy, and after one week on the job, 9 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:40.799 I think he's done a good job of getting fans excited, engaging with 10 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:44.640 them, certainly done a good job of helping raise money for the collective. 11 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:49.719 It'll take quite some time before we figure out, Okay, was this a 12 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:53.600 great decision? Was it a bad decision? But the honeymoon is still in 13 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:57.560 full effect and will be for quite some time, and the fact that it's 14 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:00.600 something new is exciting. So you know, obviously I think very highly of 15 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.239 Eric Mulselman, Jerome Tang, Chris Beard, Will Wade, but that just 16 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:07.920 wasn't the direction louisll was going to go in. And we'll see. I 17 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:11.640 mean, Pat Kelsey, he's got a good resume. The question just comes 18 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:14.599 down to this, and obviously there's a lot of different you know, there's 19 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:19.159 there's layers to this this this move right, what kind of style is he 20 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.359 going to play? You know, how good of a recruiter can he be? 21 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:26.640 But really what it comes down to, it's not that complicated. He's 22 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.599 got a formula that worked at Winthrop and at college at Charleston, and now 23 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:32.840 you just have to wonder if it's going to work at this level. And 24 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:37.799 I think it's you know, it's probably not a real uh, there's not 25 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:40.840 a whole lot to take from it just yet. But I think just him 26 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:45.799 clearly knowing that Louisvill's got some resources with a big fan base that has has 27 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:49.599 always really cared about basketball, but now they're more desperate than they've ever been 28 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.000 to just not be terrible. And I think they're showing that with their wallet. 29 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:55.640 If you're keeping up with the amount of money the collective is raised. 30 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:59.400 So you know, I think which you were probably gunning for here if you 31 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:01.319 were Josh Heard, is that when you do go to the mid major level, 32 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:06.680 it's not just somebody that you know is adjusting and trying to bring the 33 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:08.879 success they've had at the mid major level up to the higher level, but 34 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:13.120 somebody that truly understands, Hey, I'm now on it. It's a different 35 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:15.319 world for me here, right, I can I can really use all these 36 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:20.800 tools that are available available at a higher level and hopefully knock it out of 37 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.400 the park. But anyways, with Chris Beard being the top target he is 38 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:29.280 now I guess informed according to Jeff Goodman Arkansas that he is staying put in 39 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:36.719 oxyfrordh and Arkansas is a better job. And I think Musclelmen reminded everybody that 40 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:40.560 they actually have a huge fan base that cares about basketball. They just weren't 41 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:45.280 relevant for a long long time. I mean the nineties when they had Richardson 42 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:47.520 they were I mean, they were great, and since then, I mean 43 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:51.919 they had some years where they made the tournament, but they never really had 44 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:57.000 a I mean did they just seem to kind of exist without any real success 45 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.759 and must change that with his you know, four or five years though, 46 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:02.400 however long it was, I mean to Elite eight, so sweet sixteen and 47 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:06.840 brought in some elite recruits. So, you know, I think Arkansas is 48 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:09.360 a good job, better job than I even realized before Eric Musselman got there. 49 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:13.240 But with Chris Beard, I don't know if we have the official details 50 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:16.560 or if it's public. I haven't seen any report that gives any info as 51 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:22.199 to why he's decided to stay. He did, I guess put out a 52 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:24.800 tweet on social media that says, Hotty Toddy, great times ahead in Oxford. 53 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:29.719 We are just getting started. So look, maybe he is just comfortable 54 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:34.560 where he is with ole Miss and realizes, you know, they were the 55 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:38.280 ones who I mean, maybe I'm being a little foolish here to think that 56 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:42.240 a coach really would be loyal to a program that gave him an opportunity. 57 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:45.280 And Chris Beard coached in the National Championship Game at Texas Tech not that long 58 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:47.639 ago. We all know what happened in Austin, Texas, and I think 59 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:53.360 it was pretty obvious that at the time ole Miss hired him, no other 60 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:57.159 Power six program was going to do that, just given what was in the 61 00:03:57.199 --> 00:03:59.719 details of his arrest. Even though charges were dropped, I mean, it's 62 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:01.080 still something that a lot of schools. I think, in fact, most 63 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.599 schools would have hesitated to do well. Ole Miss. They have an athletic 64 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:09.120 director that's a former college basketball player himself, and he got it done. 65 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:15.039 And one of the things that I learned throughout Louisville situation is when you're looking 66 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:17.879 at potential candidates, and I never believed for a second that Louisville would consider 67 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:21.639 Chris Beard. But you know, maybe I was. You know, there's 68 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:25.240 chance I could have been wrong. I mean I wasn't they didn't consider him, 69 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:28.920 But I went through and tried to find what's this guy's buyout, like 70 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:30.959 what is you know, and because sometimes you don't get that information if it's 71 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:35.519 a private school and ole Miss is not one. However, there's I don't 72 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:39.519 know if it's some shady stuff like we had going on here at u of 73 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:45.240 L with Ramsey and Jurich. But you remember the foundation, Dave, where 74 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:46.279 you know, I don't really know what was going on with the foundation, 75 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.879 but I know it seemed to have unlimited money. We called it their ATM 76 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:54.120 machine. Yeah, so I don't know if they've got the same situation going 77 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:57.759 down at ol Miss. But what Lane Kiffin is there? Okay? Yeah, 78 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:01.879 it's true. Yeah, but technically the eye out and like the it's 79 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:08.279 somehow tied into that foundation. So people have filed open records request to try 80 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:12.279 to get it. But there could be a scenario where Chris Beard has a 81 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:15.759 buyout that is like unbelievably high. Because you have to keep in mind when 82 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.560 ole Miss gave him that job, I mean he might at that time he 83 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:23.000 might have thought he never could get a job like that. And ole Miss 84 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:25.600 isn't a great job. But it's in the sec they have resources, they 85 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.759 can pay top top dollar. This could have been a loyalty thing, but 86 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:30.560 it could have been an nil thing. Yeah, ole Miss may have more 87 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:34.920 resources there to get players, and you've got Lane Kiffin. Yeah. And 88 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:41.800 with Arkansas, I mean they could go now to Jeram Tang if they want, 89 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.720 they could go to Will Wade, who is also another guy that I 90 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:47.959 think a lot of schools would hesitate to hire. Wasn't it interesting that the 91 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:53.879 NIT Championship game featured two guys on Louisville shortlist? Oh yeah, I mean, 92 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:59.079 and here's the thing, Josh Shurtz was offered the Louisville job. I 93 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:01.240 mean like that, I'm not bringing that up to try to, you know, 94 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.680 continue to talk about the search and how the optics weren't great. I 95 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:08.920 mean, it's still the truth, but it is because if he would have 96 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.920 told I mean, could he have told Louisville the same thing he told Saint 97 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.959 Louis which is, yeah, i'll sign him random and I'll be your guy. 98 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:16.639 But I got to finish with the n I T. Because if that's 99 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:19.439 the case, would we just be sitting here knowing that he's going to be 100 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:23.720 the coach, but yet he's still coaching in the n I T. Would 101 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.680 he already have results in the portal? I mean, there's no scenario he 102 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:30.639 could still be coaching in the n I T and recruiting for Louisville in the 103 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.000 portals. So I was surprised that he jumped at Saint Louis, Yeah, 104 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:38.959 because normally that's the progression, right Indiana State to a Saint Louis, to 105 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:43.240 an Arkansas to a Louisville. Correct, he could have skipped that step probably 106 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:46.480 this year. Oh yeah, And I'm curious if you know, if he 107 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:51.120 didn't take Saint Louis and he decided he was going to wait it out and 108 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:55.439 see if a bigger opportunity came his way, which would have been a good 109 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:57.480 idea. Yeah, because again Arkansas, I mean, I don't know if 110 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.160 they would have gone in that direction, but there's been some hard jobs have 111 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.519 opened up since that I think are clearly better than better than Saint Louis. 112 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:08.240 So that n I game, you know, and nobody wants to be in 113 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:12.959 the n I T, right like if you are a program of any of 114 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:15.920 the power conferences. I guess it kind of depends on who you are, 115 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.360 I suppose, But like Seton Hall, you know, they won the n 116 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:23.000 I T, and I'm sure they're happy about that, but that's not I 117 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:26.120 mean that the next year that you never want to be back to back in 118 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:29.199 it appearances, right like, that means that you're clearly still not getting it 119 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:30.240 done. And I think it's not like going to the Weed Eater Bowl, 120 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:35.439 which keeps your job in college football exactly. So with all that said, 121 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:40.279 it was a really good game last night. I mean worst star for good 122 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:43.160 basketball, Nick Coffee, That's true. That is true. You have to 123 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.360 watch Indiana State to get it. Yeah, and the game being at Hinkle 124 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:48.600 was kind of cool. I mean I actually went to Hinkle for the first 125 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:53.120 time earlier this season, and yes, I was seeking out actual good college 126 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:55.720 basketball games to go watch, Dave, because we weren't getting any of them. 127 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:59.319 You know, did you yet the restroom there? I did, so 128 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:03.120 you had a Hank Hinkle tinkle. That's right, little Hinkle tinkle. So 129 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:05.160 yeah, you know, it's probably not the cool thing to do, but 130 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:09.279 I will admit I enjoyed watching some in I T action last night and actually 131 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:13.319 throughout the tournament. I mean, I'm a nerd for basketball as it is, 132 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:16.240 but yeah, I enjoyed the Uh. I enjoyed the n I T. 133 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.160 And in fact, I remember years ago when David Paget was here for 134 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:24.000 the long season. Uh, your your your colleague, I guess my colleague 135 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.199 too, and I'm sure you're a part of it as well. I'm just 136 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.759 gonna blame it all on on Venetti, but it's probably you two. You 137 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.559 guys used to give me a real hard time when I would call or Tony 138 00:08:31.559 --> 00:08:33.960 did for sure what I would call him DP. It's what he goes by, 139 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.720 you got. Tony would mock me DPP. Well, you guys are 140 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.159 big buds. Well, I remember whenever he was here during the n I 141 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.399 T and they won a few games before getting bounced by I believe Mississippi State. 142 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:50.919 It was just a weird feeling overall because you know, Tom and Rick 143 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:54.759 effectively fired like right before the season started. Paget didn't do a terrible job 144 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:56.720 by any means, but then again, you know, we didn't make the 145 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:01.960 tournament, and that's always a considered a you know, they might essentially a 146 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.960 Virginia went away from getting an extension for David Padget. Oh, trust me, 147 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.559 that's there's no doubt about it. And not only that, I mean, 148 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:11.200 it wasn't just any Virginia win. You got to think about what they 149 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:15.399 had to do to win it with that Danadell goof that led to I mean, 150 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:20.240 I'm pretty sure the scenario that played out for Virginia in that game is 151 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.360 the only way they could have won, which is wild to think about. 152 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.240 And you're right, Dave, I think you know, had that they won 153 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:28.919 that that's the number, that's a number one seed. I think they're clearly 154 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:31.519 in the tournament. Sometimes there's just a god thing. Nick Coffee, Yep. 155 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.679 Not sure if he's paying attention to anything but Notre Dame basketball, but 156 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.759 I like to think that was a god thing. Yeah, And here we 157 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:43.159 are Pain wasn't and we've had I guess technically since David Paget coach David padget 158 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:48.360 I mean you went mac Pegee's Payne and now Kelsey. This is the fourth 159 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.480 coach since since David Padgett was here, which wasn't really that long ago. 160 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.320 In the grand scheme of things, after Denny and Rick and fifty years or 161 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.679 something like that, you've got this And I think we all knew what we 162 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:03.360 had as Louisville fans. And I don't know everybody listening is, but you 163 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.799 know, I'm certainly a Louisville fan. I mean, you knew you had 164 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:11.039 a very rare and special thing going with your coaching, you know, profile 165 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:16.399 essentially for what fifty years roughly with again with Denny and Rick, and I 166 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:18.279 think we knew whoever took over and whatever comes next, like we just need 167 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:22.679 to be prepared that it's not going to be the same and there's no scenario 168 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:24.000 we're going to bring in a guy. I mean with Denny, you knew 169 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.720 pretty early in his tenure that you had one of the best coaches, and 170 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.799 even throughout some of his down years, I mean you always knew, Hey, 171 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.200 this guy is one of the elite, and maybe till the last you 172 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.879 know, four or five years, I think people still considered him a good 173 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.200 coach and he actually had some good teams towards the end. Obviously not the 174 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:43.600 very last season, but you know, you knew you had a guy capable 175 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:48.159 of being elite, and with Rick mean he entered the job here at Louisville 176 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:52.159 being a rock star in college basketball before at Kentucky and then a failed stint 177 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.559 in the NBA, and it took him a while to get to a final 178 00:10:54.600 --> 00:11:01.039 four here. Oh yeah, absolutely. I remember the the two thousand and 179 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:05.039 five final four with Taekwondine and Garcia. Yeah, those guys. I remember 180 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:09.879 the year prior to that, they had a really good team, but they 181 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.399 got they got bounced in the second round. I think it was and I 182 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:20.399 remember just the game. It might have been Xavior, but I just remember 183 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:24.840 hearing noise that I you know, that I hadn't heard before from you know, 184 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.480 fans for family members of mine, even you know, going to games 185 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.000 even that year with my father and whatnot, where people still felt like we 186 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.879 were in a great position to have somebody like Rick Patino, but they were 187 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:35.840 starting to think, okay, well, you know what, like we hired 188 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.320 a guy that like we expected to be in the Final four within maybe a 189 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.559 couple of years or something, which maybe that was unrealistic. But you got 190 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:45.960 to keep in mind when Rick left Kentucky, I mean he was he was 191 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.320 the man in college basketball. And uh, speaking of Rick, is there 192 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.879 any truth to the story floating around today that Rick has been tampering with the 193 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.120 portal? Yeah? That was fake. I saw that as well. Yeah, 194 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:03.360 in I mean it wouldn't right, but I did. The guy's the 195 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:07.399 the Twitter account that that put that out there. If you look at the 196 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:09.399 bio, uh, it's got a link and if you click on the link, 197 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.080 I think it takes you to some like porn side or something. So 198 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.080 it's yes, and that's right. I mean with Twitter, I don't know 199 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.480 how how often you're on the the cesspool, the toxic wasteland model Twitter. 200 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:24.440 Yeah, but it's never been harder to determine what is real and what is 201 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:28.600 not. And and you know, since Celon Musk took over and changed up 202 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.080 some things, and it's now I guess called X. I mean, it's 203 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.720 still a it's still a an active spot for you know, sports information news 204 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.919 and that kind of stuff. But man, it's like every week there's some 205 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:43.759 type of and I mean, I I now get how people fall for some 206 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.559 of this stuff because you can buy the blue check that makes it look like 207 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.320 you are if you know, an official, uh you know, you know, 208 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.039 a credentialed media member whatever, and then you can put some weird, 209 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:56.440 you know, some professional headshot and people will just not even click on your 210 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:00.360 profile. They'll see the check and they'll see what you tweet about and just 211 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.240 assume that it's real. So yeah, sometimes timing is everything. You look 212 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.919 at Indiana, who was kind of in the dumps there for a while and 213 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:11.080 still kind of on the outside of the dumps, but Calvin Samson gets hit 214 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.039 because he texted players, now, you can do that all you want. 215 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.200 So true. Rick Patino could now recruit Brian Bowen the way he was trying 216 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.440 to do it with Adidas. Same thing with Will Wade, who, of 217 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.720 course was one of those guys that's in that documentary that HBO did that that 218 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:28.759 you know, played the clips from those phone calls with Sean Miller and Will 219 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:33.600 Wade talking to Christian Dawkins and you know, mentioning a strong ass offer those 220 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.919 kind of things. Will Wade has a show cause, but he I mean 221 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:39.200 it's almost I feel like in a way, the kids can now call you, 222 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:41.759 do you have a strong ass offer for me? Yeah? Exactly. 223 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:45.240 That could just be a standard like that could be just the you know, 224 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:50.799 that's the SAO. Yeah. So when he did it at the time, 225 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:54.000 it was not legal, so therefore he's still being punished. But I think 226 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:56.080 if you are a school that wants to hire someone like Will Wade, who 227 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:00.320 is a winner, and what he's accused of doing is now something that you 228 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:01.720 have to be doing or you're not going to get players. It's not like 229 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:05.159 Baylor and Murder. Yeah exactly, So you know with that, I'm just 230 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.559 I think usually if you want to go hire a coach that has a show 231 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:11.320 cause. And we learned this throughout the louisvill search because there were some fans 232 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:13.600 that thought he should get a real look. You know, he wouldn't be 233 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:18.240 able to be out on the road recruiting because of that show cause. I 234 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:20.039 think you would have to position, you know, you have to basically make 235 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.200 your pitch to the NCAA on why they should let you hire this guy with 236 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:28.600 his show cause. So the juice may not be worth the squeeze given that 237 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.679 process. But then again, wouldn't shock me if a school like Arkansas was 238 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.039 willing to do it, because again, the guy was good at doing it 239 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.919 when it wasn't allowed, and now you need somebody that's really good at doing 240 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:41.200 it, and that is, you know, arranging for players to be paid 241 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:43.679 right to go to your school. So we'll see who Arkansas ends up with. 242 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:48.440 But I would say they're probably going to shift their attention to Jerome Tang 243 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:52.639 or Will Wade, who I think both those coaches could do a good job 244 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.039 there in Fayetteville. Jerome Tang was either going to be a coach or go 245 00:14:56.159 --> 00:15:03.080 to NASA. What that's that's such a Dave Jennings joke. But it's such 246 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:05.480 I'm here for the Dave Jennings jokes. In fact, whenever I see the 247 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.639 astronauts back in the day, supposed to dranked haang okay, And that is 248 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.120 a whole new meaning, has a whole new meaning. Now what's great about 249 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:18.039 the day that what's good about the Dave Jennings one liners is that some of 250 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.000 them kind of you know, go over go over the head of someone like 251 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:24.360 myself. But then the but those who get it's more of a generational thing 252 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:28.360 for you, it's not an intelligence thing. Well, let me tell you 253 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.639 this. When I would listen to the Joby and Denny Show when I was 254 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.000 fresh out of you know, fresh out of high school in my college years, 255 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:39.879 and I would listen, was one of my favorite parts of the show 256 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:46.240 was the very, the very subtle Dave Jennings one liners that clearly Joe and 257 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:50.039 Denny had no clue what the hell you just said? They didn't this in 258 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.519 a while, Denny after about two minutes would go, I just got that 259 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:56.840 one, David. That was great. I mean they would they would just 260 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:58.200 you know, kind of hold court tell stories, which is what made the 261 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:02.759 show great. The were great characters, some of them. I remember Ronnie 262 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:06.480 on a bucket. Ronnie on the bucket actually sat on a bucket so as 263 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:11.480 transistor radio could pick us up. But the the the quarterback of the show 264 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.039 was the one, the only Dave Jenny. Well. It made it made 265 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.000 it work, and it's such a blessing to have done that for seven years. 266 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:21.000 It was incredible. It has to. I mean you if you had 267 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.919 a front row seat to hear the stories and just get to know those two 268 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:30.240 guys. Where was Denny? I know Denny had had property. Was it 269 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:36.720 at Montana? Yeah, it's flew into Idaho Falls. It's in Idaho actually 270 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:40.960 pretty close though to West Yellowstone, Montana. So we go out there and 271 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:42.919 I'm thinking, Okay, first night dinner, we're going to West Yellowstone, 272 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:45.600 Montana. We're going to have like an Elk Burger or something like that, 273 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:53.399 Chinese at General Sala's Chicken. Not what you were expecting, right, No, 274 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:56.120 you're probably thinking they're they're going to give you right like some Beisenberger. 275 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:00.559 Maybe they'll go they get they'll get a piece, they get a fish from 276 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.920 a fresh river. Yeah. But the first experience ever fishing with them was 277 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:10.160 at Denny's house. So I'm driving up and there's Joe b fishing and Denny's 278 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:11.759 out there. I'm like, oh, this is intimidating. These guys are 279 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.960 fishermen, they've had TV shows. So as I walk up, Joe casts 280 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.079 and it gets stuck in the tree behind him. I said, all right, 281 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:23.240 I'll fit right in with these guys. Yeah. That was That was 282 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.880 a legendary show, and uh I just missed it. I was hired a 283 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.680 little bit after it had come to an end. But when I first got 284 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:36.519 introduced to sports talk radio on this station that I'm very fortunate to be able 285 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:41.000 to yap my trap on each day it was it was the joe By and 286 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:45.680 Denny Show with the trio Denny, Joe and Dave, and then in the 287 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:49.559 afternoon it was Adam Neft and Tony Vannetti. You believe how long ago that's 288 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:52.720 been. Does it seem like it was forty years ago? Or does it 289 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:55.799 seem like it was just the other day. It seems like it goes about 290 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:59.160 twenty years ago. Yeah, it does. Yeah. Anytime I go to 291 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:03.319 the Texas Roadhouse, in the one that's over there off Vater Loop, there 292 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:08.079 is a there's a picture of Joe and Denny in like a plaque during their 293 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:12.119 run, and it always reminds me of that. And there was one that 294 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:15.200 used to hang up in the old studio there too, of those two guys, 295 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:21.920 And man, how fun was it whenever the twenty twelve Final four was 296 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:26.240 going on. I mean just that there's no way those guys really ever thought 297 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:27.240 about when First of all, there's no way they ever thought they'd do a 298 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.160 radio show together. Whenever they were, you know, coaching against each other 299 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:33.079 and and you know, competitors, right, but for them to be on 300 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:37.920 the radio together having a show while Louisville and Kentucky played in the final four. 301 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:38.960 I mean that. I mean not to be corny, but that gives 302 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.279 me goosebumps even thinking about it. One of the awkward things was, so 303 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:45.799 we'd have selection Sunday. So you think, okay, Monday is going to 304 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:48.440 be a big darn deal on the show, right, the two coaches breaking 305 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:52.480 it down. Bring Jerry Jones in he watching these guys play. But that 306 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:57.240 was Repperina Sweet sixteen time. So every Monday after Selection Sunday we're live from 307 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:03.119 the Reperena food court talking about how school basketball the day after Selection Sunday. 308 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.279 Yeah, not good timing, no, but Joe loved that event, speaking 309 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:11.960 of it and speaking of that event, that that event led to one of 310 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.759 my as a Louisville fan. Obviously it led to one of my favorite I 311 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:19.000 guess you know, painful moments for the rival Kentucky because whenever they did have 312 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:22.599 a big let down after winning that championship in twenty twelve, or if they 313 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.000 were in the n I T right, well, they couldn't host it Rupperena 314 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:30.960 because of that tournament. So therefore they ended up having to go and play 315 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:33.920 at Robert Morris and we all know how that worked out. My favorite phone 316 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.119 call of all time was this guy calling after they lost to Vanderbilt and Rapperena 317 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.759 and he called it in and said, guys, that was that was a 318 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:44.559 tough one last night. Yeah, yes, it was, Yes, it 319 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.319 was. You know. We was driving home after losing that game. Came 320 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:52.319 and really say that losing that game to Vanderbilt, and my kids was in 321 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:57.920 the back seat and my little daughter said, Daddy, I don't think I 322 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.599 can do school tomorrow. And he said, you know what, guys, 323 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:06.440 I couldn't make them go. What was the response from Joe and demmy? 324 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:11.319 Uh? Laughter. Yeah, I mean, now that I think about it, 325 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:12.960 that, you know those two guys, of course, their knowledge of 326 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:17.200 basketball, the stories they could share sometimes they would just be unfiltered, and 327 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:19.039 you could tell they probably don't they probably lost a little bit awareness here that 328 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:22.240 they're on the radio. But man, the callers, I mean it was. 329 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:27.400 It was a cast of characters from all over. Yeah. Very entertaining, 330 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.519 no doubt. All right, So let's get to a quick break we'll 331 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:33.200 come back here on the other side. And again I've been mentioning it throughout, 332 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:34.440 but we haven't really got into it, and I'm probably over selling it 333 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:38.000 as far as this tease. But there is a transfer from Tennessee that I 334 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:42.640 think there's a connection here to the new Pat Kelsey staff that I would I'd 335 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:47.240 be shocked if this guy doesn't end up strongly considering Louis and ended up and 336 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:48.960 ended up probably coming here. So we'll get to that in a lot more. 337 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:52.279 Keep it rolling along. Coffee and Company, PHILBYU Thorton's on Sports Talk 338 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:59.519 seven ninety Timmy, everybody, great job, nex stuff. We have some 339 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:03.359 man thirteen new players on this roster right now. They have three new editions 340 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:07.519 too, that followed Pat Kelsey from Charleston and then obviously the big addition earlier 341 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:14.799 this week when they landed James Madison transfer Fats, which I'm curious if that's 342 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:18.240 gonna stick. He goes by Fats. But his name is Terrence Edwards Junior. 343 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:21.720 Is he fat or does he play pool? He's he's very piano, 344 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:26.160 he's very thin. Ah, so it's an eye or anything. I would 345 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:30.440 I would guess right, because I mean even if somebody is really big, 346 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.799 would they go by Fats Because again that I think what you just said slim 347 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:36.279 like, that's the most like. There's probably a lot of big dudes that 348 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:37.640 have just gone by slim and it's you know, it's clearly kind of a 349 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:41.599 joke. He's so thin. When he sticks out his tongue, he looks 350 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:47.400 like a zipper. I would. That's there's no doubt. Whatever he has 351 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:49.240 an interview wherever it may be in Louisville, fans are getting to know him 352 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:52.359 in some capacity, somebody's got to ask. Maybe it's me. I don't 353 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.759 know, but somebody needs to figure out how that name because that's hopefully is 354 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:03.839 that something he rolls well, it's college athletics probably does good stuff. Again, 355 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:06.799 that's the Dave Jennings humor. That that you know, if you're familiar 356 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:10.000 with this station and and and have been over the years, you were well 357 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:11.920 aware of it. And it's it's it's it's refreshing to have it back here 358 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:15.640 ninety nine to noon on the other one. That's right, Hey, forty 359 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:21.680 wha sing go all right? So I think right now there's only two Louisville 360 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:26.559 players that have transferred out via the portal that have found their new home. 361 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:30.039 Earlier this week, Sky Clark committed to u c l A, heading back 362 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:34.279 home. He's actually from LA. And then yesterday Brandon Huntley Hatfield decided to 363 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:40.519 UH to commit to NC State, So uh some momentum for Kevin Keats that 364 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:45.559 is not due to this magical run, but Hutley Hatfield, despite the awful 365 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:51.480 season that we just experienced, in fact two of them, he really turned 366 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:53.839 into a good player in the last you know, the last couple of months 367 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:56.880 of the season. It didn't didn't really equate too much as far as wins, 368 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:00.079 but you know, I get why he's one a fresh start, but 369 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.000 it also is better. It sucks to know that you're gonna have to go 370 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:06.799 up against him next year, and clearly NC State. We'll see if they 371 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:08.920 can carry momentum into next year with this magical run that they're on. But 372 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.359 you know, he's one of those guys that again I think we'll all kind 373 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:15.559 of understand. Hey, I get it, anybody wanting to leave it makes 374 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.839 sense. But he may be one that at his new school puts up some 375 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:21.880 big numbers and you feel like, man, I wish we could have done 376 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:25.519 something to keep that guy around. What about the quick point guard that came 377 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:30.000 on at Tyler Johnson. Yes, so he his timing Dave told me that 378 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.559 he was not coming back. So he's the he's the last guy that entered 379 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.920 the portal. Whenever Pat Kelsey was hired, I think it was by by 380 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:42.680 maybe he was hired officially Wednesday or no, it was Thursday, and then 381 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:48.079 by Friday, everybody had hit the portal other than Tyler Johnson. And I 382 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:52.079 think that was a good sign because I think, you know, he was 383 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.480 truly wanting to even if he just wanted to put his name out there to 384 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.880 see who calls, check the market for himself on nil, the thought I'd 385 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.640 do that, yeah, so but he didn't do that. So therefore I 386 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:04.480 thought, Okay, he must really want to stay Louisville. And then he's 387 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:07.759 going to get to know Pat Kelsey. They're gonna have a conversation. And 388 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:11.559 then he met him, I think his family came to town Taylors that is, 389 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:12.920 and then he hit the portal. So that tells me he's probably not 390 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:17.200 going to come back. But well, if you're used to Kenny Payin's approach, 391 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:21.559 his way of doing things, Pat Kelsey is quite a bit different. 392 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:25.599 Oh yeah, that's a I mean talk about a complete night and day difference. 393 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:27.039 Yep. And those are the two guys that I think, just from 394 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.680 a talent standpoint, Johnson and hat Huntley Hatfield, I think those were the 395 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.920 two that would have really given you a good boost to start off with with 396 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.920 guys that, you know, despite not being a part of good team, 397 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:38.680 certainly some good, good players. But I think it's going to be an 398 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:42.759 entirely new roster here, and that alone is exciting, but it also leaves 399 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:48.000 you having no clue whatsoever as far as how it'll how it'll look, meaning 400 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.759 the roster, and you know how it'll all come together. So the names 401 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:55.880 that we've talked about here and there throughout the week, the Toledo transfer, 402 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:02.119 whose name again I just continue to forget. Dante Maddox Junior is his name, 403 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:07.279 and he's considering Louisville as well as Kansas, UH, Providence and a 404 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:11.759 few others including Creighton, So you know, Louisville is believed to be in 405 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.559 good shape with him. That was the flight that Pat Kelsey took on Wednesday 406 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.799 out of here to go visit this young man in Toledos, So you know 407 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:23.200 he'd be if you can within a week's time add Dante Maddox Junior and Fat 408 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:27.119 Fats. I mean, that would be a heck of a week and it'd 409 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.839 be a great star. But again, there's a lot more spots to fill. 410 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:33.960 So one name that you're probably somewhat familiar with, maybe not not a 411 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.240 guy who's been a star, but he has been in college basketball, it 412 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.160 feels like for quite some time. That is Shaquille Moore. So he started 413 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.880 his career at n C State, I believe, and then most recently played 414 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.279 at Mississippi State, and he's kind of been a career, you know, 415 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:52.640 ten point per game kind of guy. And look, that's not somebody that 416 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.440 I think you'd be pursuing if you if you, you know, let's say 417 00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:00.319 you had one scholarship and you really needed a guy that has produced a lot 418 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.720 throughout his career, that obviously wouldn't be wouldn't be this guy. But you 419 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:07.680 need everybody, right you don't have any I mean, you don't even have 420 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.519 enough guys on the roster right now to field to feel the starting lineup. 421 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.559 So you know, I just hope fans are aware that there's gonna be some 422 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:17.759 dudes in the portal that not only are you not familiar with, you're gonna 423 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:19.079 look at where they played. You're gonna look at their numbers, and you're 424 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:22.079 gonna think to yourself, what are we doing here? Well, I would 425 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:26.559 just advise you they need bodies, they don't mean And where Louisville I think 426 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:27.480 could be in a little bit of a tough spot is that you know, 427 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:30.319 if you're if you're building the core here, you can sell Louisville and I 428 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.079 owe money. And oh, by the way, like you're you're not competing 429 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:37.039 yet now, I think you're probably gonna hear Pat Kelsey tell everybody that, 430 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:38.559 hey, you got to earn you're playing time, all that kind of stuff 431 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:41.839 that coaches say. But as of right now, if these guys are looking 432 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:48.319 at rosters in place from the schools that are pursuing them, there's no competition 433 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.000 right now. Right so you could walk into a big role right out of 434 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:52.599 the gate. And I think that is something that you'd want to be able 435 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:56.480 to sell when you're when you're a head coach. But then when you get 436 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:00.039 to maybe the last four spots, maybe even the the last three to four 437 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.880 spots, you know those are guys. You know that that's a specify. 438 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:06.319 You're probably looking for bench guys, guys that could, you know, help 439 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:08.799 you get through practice, maybe come in if somebody's in foul trouble. And 440 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:14.000 players that are in the portal, I'd say ninety five percent of them are 441 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:18.440 specifically looking for a bigger role or honoring with the recruiting calendar when it comes 442 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.079 to high school players. So there's a few guys that are available because of 443 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:26.000 these coaching changes. In fact, there's McDonald's All American that just asked to 444 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:30.559 be released from his letter of intent at USC because of the coaching change there. 445 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.039 And I believe the report so that Louisville's one of the mini schools that 446 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.799 has, you know, tried to get involved. But am I am I 447 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:41.519 am I just falling too much for this tournament run where it's all older dudes 448 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.319 who've transferred. I'm just I'm just starting to wonder if the Anisle investment is 449 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:49.319 worth going with a freshman anymore. I mean, there's there's the occasional guy 450 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:53.000 like a Reed Chepper who was phenomenal and Rob Dillingham, And it's not to 451 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:57.160 say that you're not going to have talented freshmen that can make an impact. 452 00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:02.480 But when it comes to building your roster and wanting somebody, you know, 453 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:04.920 I just don't think coaches right now are thinking long term development. This guy 454 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.920 in three years will be a really serviceable player. Well that's just not the 455 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.799 game anymore. So. Well, if he's been around for three years and 456 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:12.839 he's still with you, people are going to say why you're still here? 457 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:17.119 Yeah, exactly when somebody offer you more money exactly. So you know, 458 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:21.599 I think you're always going to see programs recruit the high school level, but 459 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.880 the days of having five, four even high school signees, I just don't 460 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.599 think you're going to see that very often. Prime example, look at Kentucky 461 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.920 versus Oakland, no doubt. I mean that's a bunch of freshmen and two 462 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:40.079 in a receding airline. Yeah exactly. I mean you could have told me 463 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.039 that Golkie was, you know, four years older than me, and I 464 00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:48.519 don't believe you. I'm thirty five. I mean like it's it's and I 465 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:52.880 think everybody, myself included, was just intoxicated by the insanity of that game. 466 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.559 And I was super excited that Kentucky once again was losing to a team 467 00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:00.680 of that caliber. But I watched gold Key last night Dave in the college 468 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:04.319 three point shootout. Oh I miss that. He's he's got a really weird 469 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.559 looking shot. I mean it's not like it comes out of his hand in 470 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.440 a in a in a weird release or weird form, but like he's got 471 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.200 to it's almost like his his build up to take a shot. It's like, 472 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.240 you know, like an old man. Uh huh, because old probably 473 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.759 got issues. Yeah, so yeah, I if you are Pat Kelsey and 474 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.920 there's a really talented freshman or two that's available that you like, I mean, 475 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.160 you got enough scholarships to where I think it would be worth it this 476 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.440 time around. But you know, that's one thing that we're going to learn 477 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:34.039 about Pat Kelsey, and Pat Kelsey is going to learn about himself actually, 478 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:38.319 because at Charleston you're just building your roster differently, right like you're when you're 479 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:44.200 when you are there at that level of the mid major, your biggest challenge 480 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.200 is if you have a really good player, try to make sure he has 481 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.440 nil compensation so he doesn't hit the portal and go to a higher level. 482 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:53.640 And you're also knowing that when you are in the portal going to grab guys, 483 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:56.599 you're probably not going to get up, Like for example, if you're 484 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.440 a second team all bigies performed and you hit the portal, you're not looking 485 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:04.119 to go to the Colonial Athletic Association. You're looking to probably go to a 486 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.519 similar league that you're already in and get more money or maybe a bigger role. 487 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.000 Do you think if Scotty Davenport had to do it again, he would 488 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.880 have stayed Division two. It's a great question because right now, I mean 489 00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.839 Bellerman was safe there, they could win a national championship, and now the 490 00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:21.400 College of Charleston's of the world are looking at the Bellarman's of the world for 491 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.680 players. Yes, and I think you could make the case. And I'm 492 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.440 sure there are other schools that are in similar situations, but I mean Bellerman's 493 00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:30.839 right here in town. I'm very familiar with them, and there's three hundred 494 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.359 and sixty something Division one teams. Bellaman has to be in that tier of 495 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.640 teams that are going to hurt the most from this, right I would think 496 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.480 so absolutely. You know, Scotty's a great coach and he always I think, 497 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.200 you know, for the most part, even when he has really good 498 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:45.799 teams. It's been guys that you know, obviously are good basketball players, 499 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.599 but they are you know, they care about academics more than the average player, 500 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:55.559 right, And Scotty has always had a good system in place, and 501 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.640 he's I should I wouldn't say he's recruited the same type of player, but 502 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:02.759 you know, I'm not spinning my wheels here because I'm just afraid of saying 503 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:04.440 a bunch of white dudes, because we all know Scotty usually has a bunch 504 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.960 of white dudes. But it's guys who are, you know, not positionless, 505 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:12.039 but can stretch the floor and shoot it. And you know, Scotty's 506 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.279 a great coach. And I feel for him because, Dave you, I 507 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.319 think, to answer your question, I would say if he did regret it, 508 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:22.279 I would understand because as good of a coach as he is, the 509 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.079 way the game is now played with the portal, I mean, it's I 510 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:27.599 think it makes it very very hard to see them having I mean before the 511 00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:32.039 portal existed. In his second year in Division one, when they weren't eligible 512 00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.000 for the tournament for that stupid ass rule, he won his league. I 513 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.319 wonder how long he does this because you're seeing Shayzewski, Roy Williams, you 514 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.960 name the coach in this system, in this environment, they're like, you 515 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.599 know, imut, I'm out, this isn't the way that I want to 516 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.079 do things. And yeah, Scotty maybe getting there, I don't know, 517 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:52.200 not speaking for him. Yeah, And I think it's these coaches have these 518 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.599 crazy contracts. And I'm not referring to Scotty specifically here, although I'm sure 519 00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:57.559 he has a good contract and is compensated well because he deserves it. But 520 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.480 you know, coaches they have, I mean, it's insane. We just 521 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:05.000 paid Kenny Payne eight million dollars to not work. Knny Payne will make more 522 00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:07.319 money next season to not coach the team than Louis was going to pay the 523 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:12.519 guy that is coaching the team. Yeah, and the buyouts are just crazy. 524 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.759 So I don't have any sympathy for them, but I will acknowledge that 525 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:20.519 these adjustments have really changed what the job is. And I mean, I 526 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.359 think that's why you saw Roy Williams walk away. I mean, coach k 527 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:27.079 I don't know if he ever admitted that that was a reason, but if 528 00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:29.680 it is, it wouldn't shock anybody. Jay Wright was pretty upfront about it 529 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.440 like, yeah, this, you know this is so again, I Scotty 530 00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:37.400 could recruit, have guys around for four years, compete for final fours and 531 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:42.359 national titles, and now Louisville looks at Toledo players, Toledo looks at bellerman 532 00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.759 YEP, no doubt about it. And you know what's what I think makes 533 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:47.039 it really impressive for what Scotty's been able to do. And I think you 534 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.799 can throw Pat Kelsey in here as well, for both his time at Winthrop 535 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:55.799 and at Charleston. But when you are recruiting in that level, there's countless 536 00:32:55.799 --> 00:33:00.720 players that are viewed as that caliber. Right when you're talking Power six, 537 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:04.559 it's a smaller group because there just aren't as many, you know, good 538 00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:07.359 players that are for Star, three star even But when you recruit at the 539 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.599 mid major, these are guys that don't have a star next to their name 540 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:14.000 and probably have a handful of Division one offers, so it's a big pull. 541 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.039 It's harder to evaluate because they don't play on these circuits as much. 542 00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:20.240 So therefore, I think if you do have good success at that level, 543 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.039 you're a really good recruiter. But it's not because of rankings. It's not 544 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.599 because you got a blue Chripper to give you a commit It's because you were 545 00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:29.440 able to evaluate guys that you know can fit exactly what you want to do 546 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:31.519 and make it work. And that I think is nobody thinks of a good 547 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.680 recruiter when nobody thinks of that when they consider who is and who isn't a 548 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:37.319 good recruiter. But that's a big part of it. So yeah, if 549 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.880 anybody, anybody wanted to walk away, I mean I would, I would 550 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:44.039 understand because to be honest with you, it isn't the same job that you've 551 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:47.079 done for you know, for years probably, And in fact, when I 552 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:52.440 watched the teams play, I don't really notice any difference in the sport other 553 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.200 than occasionally realizing, wait a second, didn't I see that guy playing for 554 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.000 another team last year? But other than that, when in there between the 555 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.599 lines, whether it be football or basketball, I think the product of the 556 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.359 sport is still in good shape. At least for me, I'm gonna always 557 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:07.000 watch it, but everything else outside of it, like we have free agency 558 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.039 season in college sports, and I think from you know, from my standpoint 559 00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:14.360 as somebody who has a sports talk show, it definitely helps with content, 560 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.880 but it also makes it a little bit harder to keep up with well. 561 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.559 And the days of growing old with the players, so to speak, those 562 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.760 are gone. Yep. We had somebody call in a couple of days ago 563 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.239 that really, you know, Mintion, they it really hit a note with 564 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:29.320 me because I'm thinking, you know, I'm just so worried about Louisville getting 565 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:32.199 back to life and you know, being successful. But that twenty thirteen team 566 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:35.719 that was really special, that went on a great run, not just in 567 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.639 that championship season, but the build up to that, that type of team, 568 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:43.320 that won't happen anymore, right, Nope, I just don't. I 569 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:45.920 can't see a scenario where it does. You get the two star Russ Smith, 570 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.239 whose days for four years WINJI a national title, he would have been 571 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.599 long gone, probably for bigger money yep. And by his junior year. 572 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.800 And not only that, but Russ was strongly considering I mean, he was 573 00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.159 kind of had one foot out the door yep when he was a freshman. 574 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.559 But one of the things I think that that kept him from doing it was 575 00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:06.280 that he didn't want to sit out. At that time, you had to 576 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.159 sit and I think a lot of guys never transferred because the thought of sitting 577 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.960 out at that age, they probably never sat out a year without playing basketball, 578 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.320 and you know, can we it's crazy? Can we do that again? 579 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:23.320 Can we have one transfer where you don't sit, but after that you 580 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:28.280 have to sit if you transfer again? They tried and it became a thing, 581 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.119 and there were a few guys that were sitting out at the beginning of 582 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:34.079 this year because of the NC double A and they went to court. There 583 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.559 was some kind of injunction and those guys were able to were able to play. 584 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.280 So I mean, I think if you if, if it became a 585 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.280 if it became the norm where five six years it was quite clear that that's 586 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:49.559 the new world. You get one opportunity to just up and leave. I 587 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.679 think it would. It would make this thing a lot less hectic. But 588 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.079 now it's an absolute free for all and you're seeing guys transfer. I mean, 589 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.280 Hayley Van let's transfer and for back to back seasons. I mean, 590 00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:02.360 so so yeah, it's changed a whole lot when it comes to didn't live 591 00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.960 up to expectations at two schools, very well said, couldn't have said it 592 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:07.719 better. Actually, all right, we got to get to a quick break. 593 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:09.440 We'll come back on the other side, keep this thing rolling along. 594 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.480 We're going to talk to Aaron Torres, a Fox Sports Radio who is live 595 00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:15.920 in Phoenix for the Final Four. We'll talk a block hour, but again 596 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:17.840 we are going to talk some Final Four with someone who is actually there for 597 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:21.800 the Final Four in Phoenix. That's Aaron Torres, the voice you here on 598 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:23.880 Fox Sports Radio, one of the weekend hosts right here on s Well, 599 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.400 he doesn't work for us, but he works for Fox Sports Radio, which 600 00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.280 of course you hear on on Sports Talk seven ninety one. More name I 601 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.679 want to throw out there to you guys as far as the transfer portal, 602 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:38.000 and this one's fun to say. Freddie de Leon he is a Tennessee transfer. 603 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:42.960 Did not do much for the Balls in his freshman season. Was a 604 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.000 top fifty recruit, but you know, Tennessee was loaded. They ended up 605 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.239 getting guys back that I don't think they were expecting to get back whenever he 606 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.639 initially committed to them. But yeah, I didn't play much at all, 607 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.639 but talented certainly. And there's a connection here. So Thomas Carr, one 608 00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.280 of the assistant coaches for Pat Kelsey at Charleston. He is like the other 609 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.440 assistant's going to be following him to Louisville. Well, he was only there 610 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:08.280 for I believe two seasons at Charleston. Prior to that, he was the 611 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:13.119 coach at Word of God Christian Academy in Raleigh, North Carolina, which is 612 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:17.119 where mister Deleone played his prep ball. So we could have Fats and Freddy. 613 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:22.559 Yes, that's good. Could be a backcourd duo of Fats and Freddy. 614 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.599 I am Freddie Dillonredd I mean, and now you shall remove your blouse. 615 00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:29.480 That's just a fun name to say, Freddie Delly. Hopefully he can 616 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:34.280 play a little ball too. So is there something Dave, that you used 617 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.719 to feel like you were really solid at or a strength that you've just lost, 618 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:42.199 because I'm telling you, for years, I felt like I was in 619 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.199 the upper tier of remembering names. And I don't mean just like random people, 620 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:51.440 but like I've always used to be really good at that. Now I'm 621 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.320 awful. I mean, I'll meet someone and you know, you know, 622 00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:58.440 maybe it's a zoom call for a client or something like that, or just 623 00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:00.559 you know, somebody that I've read about for twenty minutes in an article because 624 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.840 they may transfer Louisville and I'll just completely blank on names. Tony and I 625 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.559 would have someone on the show that's been like five times, and Tony text 626 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.000 me, what's this guy's name? Again, I'm like, I don't know, 627 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:15.519 Let's go with buddy. What's funny is that there's no doubt if you 628 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:16.880 listen to that show, you know these guys would tell that's real. That's 629 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.039 a real story. Now. The one thing I can't do anymore that I 630 00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:23.239 was really good at for a long time was math in my head. Okay, 631 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.880 so quickly I'm multiplying, dividing, addy some tracking, and now I'm 632 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.480 wait a minute, Hold on a second, crap, where's my calculator? 633 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:35.960 Was it a reoccurring thing or was it? Was it just one time it 634 00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:37.639 happened? And these two guys never let you guys live it down. But 635 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.760 the Kent you'd get a mixed up Kent Taylor, Kent Spencer. I don't 636 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:45.159 remember getting them mixed up. That was pretty good with them. Sometimes it 637 00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:51.039 was clients, which isn't a good look. No, I remember Kent Spencer. 638 00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:53.440 He's on with us each week here and I love love houses. Their 639 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:58.239 real good. He looked the same since I saw him fifteen years ago for 640 00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.360 the first time, I feel like, yeah, you know, what, 641 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:05.679 are we rare in this market to have guys that are the sports you know, 642 00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.719 anchors, reporters, really the guys who run the sports department for the 643 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:12.119 local TV stations here. I mean you see some people come and go that 644 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:15.760 are the younger up and coming, you know, talent in that industry. 645 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.760 But our our our TV stations here in town dr B LK, y h 646 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:22.559 AS eleven anchors have been there forever. I mean they've been there forever. 647 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.440 And I back in the day it used to be if you were in a 648 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:29.679 mid market like Louille wanted to be top twenty, right, gets a Chicago 649 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:32.159 and Philadelphia something like that. Once people get here, they tend to stay. 650 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:36.679 Yeah, it happens in the media too, in the radio. That 651 00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:38.920 makes me feel good because you know, this is my home, lived here, 652 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.079 my wife, and to know that others who aren't from here, with 653 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:45.519 really no connection, they end up here for work and they make it their 654 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:46.760 home too. Yep. But I was thinking about it. You know, 655 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:52.400 the the and there's not a lot of hot competition that's angry. Everyone's friends 656 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.400 with each other. You know. The ratings game is just what it is. 657 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.960 That was so my buddy Dan Coob, who was a former sports reporter 658 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:02.840 for LKY. He ended up going back to Philadelphia where he's from and doing 659 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:06.159 the same kind of gig. And I remember when he and I got to 660 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:07.119 know each other. We were at I think I might have been a basketball 661 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.079 media day and he acknowledged that after being here for about a year. He 662 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:15.480 said, I can't believe how friendly everybody is with each other, and they 663 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.760 work together like or they compete against each other, and there you think they 664 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:22.920 all work together. So yeah, but that's if that does make us rare, 665 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:24.480 I'd say it's for good reason. All right, We'll take a quick 666 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.360 time out, come back, finish strong here, final hour of the week, 667 00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.039 getting you set for the weekend, the final four good stuff. So 668 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.599 again, coffee and company, that's us. We are fueled by Thornton's right 669 00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:34.719 here on Sports Talk seven ninety