WEBVTT 1 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:38.640 Well here we are happy Mark cast Monday. Later in the day here getting 2 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:42.240 ready coming off of the Great Cup playoffs, getting ready for the Great Cup 3 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:46.600 here this weekend. I read here, we got Evan Jason's resetting is rather 4 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:49.600 having a little bit of just potato. We webcam, we'll get it figured 5 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:52.840 out. We'll make our big announcement about our show here coming up. I 6 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:56.159 told Evan, I said, if the BC Lions make it to the Gray 7 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:58.560 Cup, well I was going to drink mimosas because we were going to do 8 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:00.880 this earlier in the day. Then I was gonna and drinkas shiner. None 9 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:03.560 of that happens. So we're here. I got as I cam in my 10 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.599 mouth right now, find off a cold Evan. How are you. I'm 11 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:11.280 doing well? Yeah, lots to talk about from this weekend. Very interesting 12 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:15.599 matchup that will be I guess participating in well, not playing it obviously, 13 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:21.120 but being around next weekend. Very interesting. Not not a scenario that I 14 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:23.680 predicted, to say the least I know, and I want to get people's 15 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:30.640 opinions on this. You'll leave your comments whenever. Certainly not the sexiest matchup 16 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.439 here. We have Montreal going into Winnipeg, obviously Montreal looked really good against 17 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.920 Argo's. We'll talk through all that. To me, that's exciting. You 18 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:41.319 know, I love Cody in Friend of the Show, and you know we've 19 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:44.560 had a lot of the Alouettes guys on over the years, and I'll tell 20 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:49.159 you even just to drop a name here, I really enjoy that dming with 21 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.719 Gary Stern about Danny and kind of all the work the Alouettes were doing here 22 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:57.719 Sunday morning while I was watching Mac Jones to very child Chad Kelly like interceptions 23 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.120 in Germany. So that was fun getting Gary Stotts. Gary's excited for all 24 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:04.719 of this. So we're doing good. Jason, how are you. I'm 25 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.640 doing good, Raid, thanks for having me as always and looking forward to 26 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:09.400 the live show on Saturday. Yeah, so we get we're geting a lot 27 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:13.199 of questions about that. So this is all confirmed now getting it all in 28 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:20.080 you would have been better under different circumstances. But Saturday in Hamilton, we 29 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:23.439 are going to be live at the BC Lions Lions Den as part of all 30 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:27.919 the team headquarters and all of that stuff. It's at the Convention Center. 31 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.159 You do need a ticket for that, but it's like whatever Canadian I think 32 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:34.280 it's like thirty bucks, but we're gonna be there, Baker and Matt, 33 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:36.879 Baker and Jordan getting all that set up. This said, we're going to 34 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:39.000 be in the high traffic area. I'm getting a banner printed out here. 35 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:43.479 So we're going to be live three to five local times, so feel free 36 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:46.120 to come by say hi. I guess I'm gonna have a sign already getting 37 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:50.479 guests. Guests lined up. All the emails have been sent, but we 38 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.120 have confirms. Dan Ralph's going to be on the show. Ted Wyman's going 39 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.680 to be on the show, the guys from the Outlets flight Deck podcast. 40 00:02:55.719 --> 00:03:00.280 I'll post an official list that Baker, of course you want, Jamie, 41 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:02.240 we got him. Daryld Davis is going to be on, and then of 42 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:06.719 course that Nailor and far Haun as well. They'll kind of do They normally 43 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:08.800 do a tag team whenever they can come in, but it should be fun. 44 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:12.840 It'll be Evan, Jason and I and then kind of a rotating cast. 45 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:14.960 Jason, what do you make of that? Because we're gonna do the 46 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.000 anchor bar. I think this is good team headquarters, get a lot more 47 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:20.120 of the CFL people and not like I said, I'll getting a little sign 48 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:23.000 printed. That'll be fancy. Yeah, I think it will be better this 49 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.599 way. I think that we'll for sure have some traffic going through that area 50 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:30.120 and whatnot, So I think it'll be good. Ever, you excited first 51 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.719 taste here of the Canadian Hamilton live here for Great Cup weekend? Oh absolutely, 52 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:38.280 I think I think we're gonna have a great time, So it would 53 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.439 be good. Yeah, So well we posted Saturday, we go live Saturday 54 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:44.439 at three. That way you can watch it Saturday, you can watch it 55 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:46.680 Sunday morning, come all the way up through and then usually you know, 56 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.520 knock on will We kind of get a good boost when people are looking for 57 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.800 the Gray Cup and something to watch for that. So live Saturday easier to 58 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:58.719 do, just obviously with all the different locations coordinated, all that, you 59 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:00.879 know, reporters are done, you know, team practices and all that kind 60 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:05.120 of stuff. So that Saturday evening it's kind of a good dead period. 61 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:09.039 Do that, and then we'll be hanging out Sunday and then you know, 62 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:11.400 I just like seeing the game Sunday, so I don't like to do you 63 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.080 know, all the other you got the ted Aligemans of the world running around 64 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:16.240 trying to do postgame interviews, Like I like being able just to hang out, 65 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:18.360 have a beer and kind of watch that. Yeah, James says, 66 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:20.560 great lest of guests. I'm waiting to year back. But you know, 67 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:25.160 like presumably you know, Darren Bombing is going to be on. I think 68 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:27.199 Tim Baines is going to get back to me, so we'll be good. 69 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.240 It should be about ten guests or so will roll for two hours, you 70 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:32.279 know, ten fifteen minutes a guest, and then we'll kind of ask questions 71 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.240 and do everything else. But yeah, come come come by, because you 72 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:39.079 know we got we gotta you know, Baker and everyone, they're putting a 73 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:41.360 lot of work in here getting a set up in their area, so let's 74 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:45.240 make sure we get some marcast people coming out. Jason, I don't know 75 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:47.720 if this is the great Cup that we wanted or deserved, but this is 76 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:50.519 a great Cup that we want or then we you know, we're getting here 77 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:57.480 Montreal in Winnipeg. Initial thoughts because this first time ever one hundred and ten 78 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.839 years, we've never had Winnipeg in Montreal. Yeah, I think a lot 79 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:02.759 of that is due to Winnipeg being in the East for a lot of it's 80 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:08.079 recent history, at least when Montreal was good in the two thousand, So 81 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:11.800 I think that explains why we haven't seen this matchup in the Great Cup before. 82 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:15.120 And like you said, I think it's a totally unexpected matchup. I 83 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:19.160 thought that Toronto was gonna roll on Saturday. Unfortunately for my prediction, it 84 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:23.480 didn't happen. But I'm happy for the fans in Montreal that they get to 85 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:26.319 see their team in the Great Cup for the first time since twenty ten. 86 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:30.360 It's been a while. Yeah, Evan, you know we were talking obviously 87 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:35.480 all throughout the group chat lively group chat on Saturday, but you know, 88 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:39.480 like here we got Andrew Murray. I'm sure he's gonna watch it this year. 89 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:41.759 He's like, I'm out, Like, I don't you know, Montreal 90 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:44.920 is boring. I don't care about that. You know. I've had a 91 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:46.439 lot of the guys on the show here this year, especially this year, 92 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.399 but the last couple and Cody like, what do you make of this? 93 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:54.279 Because I think we all expected Winnipeg with the Toronto things. That certainly threw 94 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:57.639 us for a loop. Here. Well, look, it's it's certainly interesting, 95 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:00.240 right, I said at the top of the show. It's not something 96 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:02.519 that we predicted happen. Definitely not. I mean, I could have gone 97 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:08.519 through several other scenarios in regards of Gray Cup matchups at the beginning of the 98 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:12.639 season, and I probably wouldn't have landed on Winnipeg Montreal despite there only being 99 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.279 nine teams in the CFL. Right, So it's an interesting matchup to say 100 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:18.360 the least. And I know, you know, there's some people like Andrew 101 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:21.199 obviously, you know, some guys might not be excited about it, but 102 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:26.639 I'm remaining optimistic. Obviously, we're gonna dive into the games from this weekend 103 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:30.519 here. But you know, after seeing Montreal the way their defense played, 104 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.600 obviously, and then you know Winnipeg's offense slowing down a bit against BC. 105 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:39.079 Now, obviously Winnipeg was still able to win the game, but you know, 106 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.439 I mean, these teams are in the Great Cup for a reason, 107 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:45.959 right, you can't forget about that. You know, Montreal is obviously the 108 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:47.199 wild card here, right, That's gonna be the story when we go to 109 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:50.639 Hamilton next week. You know, the team that no one really expected to 110 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:55.480 do anything is here competing for a championship. So yeah, I mean, 111 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:59.879 and then You've got Winnipeg on the other the other side, which is you 112 00:06:59.879 --> 00:07:01.720 know, the experienced group of veterans. You know, their guys are aging, 113 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.759 but they're still going strong. You know, fourth grade cup in a 114 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:09.600 row going back to twenty nineteen, so really a five year stretch, even 115 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:13.000 though there wasn't a season in twenty twenty due to COVID. So definitely two 116 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:16.160 unique ends of the spectrum there. But you know, I'm still excited and 117 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:21.480 I'm still optimistic. And you know, last year a similar situation happened where 118 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:26.079 it was Winnipeg versus Toronto. And you know, I remember watching you know, 119 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:29.480 the Gray Cup, your Great Cup show read, you know, when 120 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:31.160 you were in Regina, and I think there were some people on there who 121 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.360 were saying, well, Winnipeg's gonna blow them out, and a lot of 122 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:35.879 people this time around. Again, I'm not gonna get into too many details 123 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:40.560 here. We're gonna save that for next weekend, but you're gonna have a 124 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:42.839 lot of people saying the same thing. I'll Winnipeg will just blow them out. 125 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.399 But you know, we'll see, right. I think, you know, 126 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:47.480 Jason, I think you were the one that said it. Man, 127 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:50.480 It's it's an interesting league. You know, some funny things can happen, 128 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:56.759 so again keeping my eyes out for that. I'm I'm really bullish right now, 129 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.839 at least on the Montreal side of Like, I get all sides of 130 00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:01.240 it, and I absolutely get Okay. Last year, you know, it's 131 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:05.000 these two juggernauts and you know Toronto barely ekes it out, and you know, 132 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:07.160 it's it is kind of like what we did see in The Rock, 133 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.199 and then they did see The Rock again the following year and the first year, 134 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:13.800 what was it the scene it or I guess the Rock won the first 135 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.240 year, and then he put over seeing in the second year. Like I 136 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:18.360 kind of get that, and hey, what you know, we're seeing these 137 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:22.839 teams again. Obviously Toronto did not you know, I want to get I'm 138 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.040 very excited to get into this. You know, Toronto did not play like 139 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.639 a team that wants to be in the Gray Cups. Really doesn't feel like 140 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.399 this would feel like Jack Kelly wants to. But I'm excited, like just 141 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.759 having you know, talked with Cody Haven, having been on the show, 142 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.360 Jason Moss, all that stuff. I've talked a lot with Rod Peterson over 143 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.039 the weekend as well. Obviously, with him being in the whole Saskatchwan market 144 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:46.960 and like, here's these guys. They were the total scapegoat, sent out, 145 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.799 you know, kick to the curb, you're the problem. We're gonna 146 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:54.840 rebuild this whole thing. Obviously, we've you know, chronicled Saskatchewan's problems all 147 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.879 season and to see I just could not be more happy for Cody and his 148 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:01.120 wife and baby, like their whole family. And obviously there's you know, 149 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:05.200 many many more players on the team and they all have their individual stories, 150 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.080 but like having lived through a lot of that with these guys this year, 151 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.960 I am excited for that. Like Winnipeg has been here and like we're you 152 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:13.000 know, Donk's trying to make o Clearo's you know, four time in a 153 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.399 row, and this has never been happening. Like there's a lot of other 154 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:18.799 stories and kind of everyone's getting their flowers on both sides of it, but 155 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:22.600 I do I just am really proud for all of that. Jason, any 156 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:24.639 other thoughts on kind of the Montreal or Winnipeg of it before we get into 157 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:28.519 the game. Yeah, for Winnipeg, you have a chance to be one 158 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.759 of the true CFL dynasties. And I just before I got on here, 159 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:35.799 I released a video on the history of dynasties since nineteen fifty eight in the 160 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:41.120 CFL and how few of them there have been. So Winnipeg has a chance 161 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.200 to etch their place in history. They had a chance last year. I'm 162 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.639 obviously we're heavily favored against Toronto, like Evan said, and you know, 163 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.159 they didn't get the job done, so they kind of have a chance to 164 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:54.039 make amends this year and for monthreal, I mean, I'm just really happy 165 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:56.879 again. Like I said, they have not been in the Great Cup game 166 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:01.360 since twenty ten. They had such a rough patch after Anthony Calbio retired. 167 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:03.000 You know, I think they missed the playoffs like four or five years in 168 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:07.120 a row. So I'm really happy for them from that perspective and the fact 169 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.000 that they've gotten so far. Yeah, and you know, obviously, you 170 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:13.799 know, would have liked BC to be in this. Obviously would like to 171 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:16.639 be at the lions Den for our live show under you know, under different 172 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.679 circumstances. Obviously it's going to be exciting. We're promoting you know, Great 173 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:24.279 Cup next year in Vancouver and we'll be involved in all that. But uh, 174 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:26.480 you know, I said on here. You know, when BC lost 175 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:31.519 that game at home against Winnipeg was in October fourth, like really kind of 176 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.240 I kind of that night process kind of the end of the BC Lion season. 177 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:37.000 I mean, it's been happy to kind of follow along and obviously everything 178 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:41.440 here through the playoffs, I've kind of resigned myself to that. So you 179 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:46.240 know, even watching the game, the Montreal win was far more exciting for 180 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.399 me than kind of anything with BC. And honestly, I'm happy, you 181 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.320 know, if we can't have the Lions in there, I'm happy that, 182 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:54.279 you know, Tim and Cliffe and all the work that they put in with 183 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.200 the Outwit's Flight Deck podcast. I'm really happy that, like you know, 184 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:01.320 I feel like, okay, we'll we'll die this year so you can kind 185 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.080 of live on and they can enjoy that. And I mean they've certainly been 186 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:09.080 following this much longer than I have. So in terms of we'll start with 187 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.519 Evan in terms of this Argonauts loss, and I was talking with Dorothy about 188 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:18.279 this. I am not the longest sports you know, a history in my 189 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:20.639 life, and you know, we really got into this football step of the 190 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.960 marquess. But to me, this was the biggest egg I've ever seen laid 191 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.600 in any sport I've ever fall I've never you know, the Mariners and the 192 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.120 cracket like, I've never seen a bigger just complete following the part here collapse, 193 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:35.080 Evan, Is that how you took it? And what did you look 194 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.759 at the last year of the Argonauts? Definitely, I mean I will say 195 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.879 this. You know, Mike Mitchell, obviously who covers the Argos, he 196 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:48.120 predicted that the Alouettes would win this game. But I don't think anybody predicted 197 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:52.559 it would happen in that fashion where it was a complete domination. You know, 198 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:54.840 everybody thought that if Montreal had a chance, would be you know, 199 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.799 this close fought battle where somebody wins in the fourth quarter and has that big 200 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:03.039 play. That wasn't the case. You know, I'm sure Argos fans will 201 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:07.240 probably be saying this for a while, but Chad Kelly chose to have his 202 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:11.960 worst game on probably the worst day of the year or the worst time that 203 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:16.039 it could have happened. Rather, I was stunned, to say the least. 204 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.120 I you know, it raises in my head at least it raises some 205 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:24.440 questions, you know about I think it was fifty seven days was the number 206 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.720 I heard on TSN you know, from the last time that the Argonauts actually 207 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.960 played a meaningful game, because then they won the East and you know, 208 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.279 kind of just after that, it was, you know, it became more 209 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:39.919 about you know, the moral victories, right and obviously they were able to 210 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.960 get the sixteen wins, you know, which is tied the CFL record. 211 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:48.519 But people were saying, right, the one team that I think had sixteen 212 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.840 wins before this Toronto team was the nineteen eighty nine Edmonton then Eskimos now Elks. 213 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.080 But you know, they didn't make it to the Great Cup either, 214 00:12:56.080 --> 00:13:00.480 I don't think, you know, or they lost right along the way. 215 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.879 And you know, I really couldn't. I mean, as much as you 216 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.399 want to, you know, you want to cancel out history or whatever, 217 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:13.039 and you might not want to think about that. I I was very certain 218 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.000 that Toronto was gonna win this game. I didn't know. It was kind 219 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.600 of hard to predict whether it would be, you know, by ten points 220 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.879 or by thirty points. But I just you know, Toronto was obviously the 221 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.600 win more complete team on paper. And look, Montreal put up a great 222 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:33.120 performance against Hamilton in the in the semifinal. You know, I think I 223 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:37.919 talked about that and I said that Montreal did have a chance in this game, 224 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:41.440 but it was a slim chance. Really, this game, I think 225 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:45.679 more than anything, you know, it falls on the shoulders of Chad Kelly 226 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:48.279 because in my opinion, you know, both defenses obviously played very well. 227 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:52.720 Now, Noel Thorpe's unit in Montreal clearly was from I mean, you know, 228 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.519 from that Mark Antwine de qua pick six at the beginning of the game 229 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:58.279 where Toronto because they looked like they had all the momentum, right, I 230 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.559 mean, I don't want to get who you know, carried away or lost 231 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:05.960 here, but really you saw how quick Toronto was moving the ball on their 232 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.960 first drive. It was like four plays and they were already down there by 233 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:13.039 the goal line ready to go. And then Mark Antoine picks off, Chad 234 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.759 Kelly runs it all the way back however many yards, and Montreal never look 235 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.200 back after that. But my thing here is, you know, I feel 236 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.600 like both defenses played well. Montreal is obviously, you know, they really 237 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:26.960 stepped up. I mean, you know, seven turnovers or whatever, some 238 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:30.159 ridiculous number. I mean, it's impossible to win a game when you have 239 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.600 seven turnovers. But they really stepped up. But more than anything, I 240 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.879 just think, you know, Chad Kelly, like the blame really has to 241 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:39.519 be pointed towards him, because if you go back and you look at this 242 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:43.519 game, you know, several not even of I mean, look, he 243 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:46.519 had four interceptions, but even on some plays that weren't turnovers, he just 244 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.360 wasn't seeing in the field well that day. And I don't know what the 245 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.120 case was. It's you know, I can't explain that, right, I'm 246 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.840 not Chad Kelly. I'm not in his head. I don't know what's going 247 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.399 on. And I'm sure he knows obviously that this is incredibly dis pointing and 248 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:03.440 that he's a much better player than that. But yeah, I mean, 249 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:05.799 I just, you know, you have to point in the finger at Chack 250 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:09.559 Kelly. His two pick sixes. I mean, I hate to be critical, 251 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:11.559 but those were you know, some of the you know, maybe worst 252 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:16.039 throws that I've seen in a game. You know, given everything that's on 253 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.360 the line, right, I mean, it would be bad in a regular 254 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.360 season game to make those mistakes, but when you're doing it, you know, 255 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.039 in the playoffs, keep in mind, in front of a sellout crowd 256 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.559 or you know, the biggest Argos crowd. I think that there's been maybe 257 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:33.080 ever. Yeah, right, Jason, wasn't it. It was the biggest 258 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.240 one they've had since moving to BEMO, Right, Yeah, it broke the 259 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:41.279 twenty seventeen East Final wins the Scats one played there as the crossover team. 260 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:43.600 Right. But the but the bottom line here is, you know, this 261 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:50.960 game obviously very surprising result Montreal. You know, I think I think it's 262 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:54.440 safe to say the reason they scored thirty eight points was because you know, 263 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.639 their defense to two pick six is next week, when we're actually in Hamilton, 264 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:00.240 I'll get into more, you know, of a deep dive about the 265 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:06.120 offense and where that you know, might let's just say that Montreal's offense is 266 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:07.519 gonna have to step up a bit more even than they did in that game, 267 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:11.360 if they want to have a chance against Winnipeg. But you know, 268 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.639 in this situation, it didn't matter. Right, Argo's just made you know, 269 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.960 mistakes quickly and that was it. That was all she wrote. I 270 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:19.919 mean at halftime, you know it was only a ten to three game. 271 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:23.200 At halftime, you know, Argos could have easily gotten back into it. 272 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:27.399 You know it was one score, but you just felt like it wasn't gonna 273 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:33.279 happen. You just saw the way that Chad was distributing the ball and you 274 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:36.480 just had a feeling, or at least I had a feeling that by that 275 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:38.960 point it was kind of a lost cause. So very unfortunate for Toronto, 276 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:45.080 very surprising. I'm still, you know again, watching that game. It 277 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:48.240 was just like you're saying, oh my god, every you know, ten 278 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:52.559 seconds because there's another turnover and Montreal keeps putting these points on the board. 279 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:56.799 But ultimately, yeah, definitely, you know, an upset of the year. 280 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:59.120 And the last thing I'll say about this before I hand it back, 281 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:04.519 you know, this game proves more than anything. And I love stories like 282 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.799 this, but you know what was really nice to see was I mean my 283 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.400 and this includes myself, but all year, you know, we said, 284 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:17.960 well Montreal is good, but they don't have a win against Toronto or Winnipeg 285 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:22.319 and BC. But you watch this game and then you realize none of that 286 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:26.960 matters if you can just win that one game, right. I think about 287 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:29.400 like, look, I'm a Rams fan, okay in the NFL, and 288 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:32.559 you know we lose to the forty nine ers every year. That's like the 289 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:34.240 one you know kind of thing that you can't get off your back. But 290 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:37.880 we played the forty nine ers in the playoffs, in the NFC Championship, 291 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:42.200 won and then won the Super Bowl, right, So it doesn't you know, 292 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:45.920 as much as we sit here and you know, we have to have 293 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.519 something to go off of. And one of the storylines that Montreal had throughout 294 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:52.519 the seasons that they couldn't be the team with a winning record, you know, 295 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:53.359 it doesn't matter. I mean, none of that, All of that 296 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:56.640 goes out the door because once you get into the playoffs, you know, 297 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.039 I mean, you want to know every week and that I give credit to 298 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.759 Montreal for that, because you know, that's what everybody was saying. You 299 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.839 know, they just can't be the good teams. And had they lost to 300 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:10.440 Toronto, that trend would have continued. That would have been, you know, 301 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:11.680 something that people would have still talked about. It would have proved the 302 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.519 point. But instead of you know, just letting them have that, they 303 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:18.319 went out there and proved a lot of people wrong. And I mean a 304 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:21.720 lot of people. Yeah, I mean it was just crazy. I'm sitting 305 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:25.839 there watching and you know, like you said, trying well first off, 306 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:30.680 so you see they're showing all the pregame and Chad Kelly's doing his interview and 307 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:32.519 he's got like the bug eye. They're like, oh, man, like 308 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.440 chat. You know, Chad is locked in, locked in, And like 309 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.440 you said, the further the game went along, you could see in his 310 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.000 eyes. I mean they would kind and you just would see him scan in 311 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:45.079 the field and try to find someone making really terrible throws. Like you said, 312 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:48.720 you know, the first drive down. I joked yesterday on Twitter when 313 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.319 Mac Jones had this horrendous interception against against the Colts, I said, oh, 314 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:55.680 I think Chad Kelly got on the plane and went to Germany to go 315 00:18:55.720 --> 00:19:00.319 play for the Patriots today, because here's someone that's been so cold all season. 316 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.960 And I wanted to get into kind of the rest versus rest of it. 317 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:07.680 But yeah, to watch Toronto go the whole way down the field, 318 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.319 I'm thinking this is going to be a long day for the outlettes. I 319 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:11.960 mean, this is brutal. And then that pick six and you're like, 320 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.680 goll kitty, maybe they got a little reprieve here. Maybe it's going to 321 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:18.720 be and then you know, it kept happening and happening, and I just 322 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:22.200 it got to the point where it was almost comical where it's like, oh, 323 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.119 you know, they tried to you know, go for on third down 324 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:27.880 and then they got stopped and then Chack Kelly threw another pick six. Like 325 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:32.839 it just seemed like, you know, it was you know, Chad's no 326 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:34.599 good, horrible, very bad day or whatever that book is. You know, 327 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:38.680 it was really just a complete collapse. First off, Jason, what 328 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:42.200 did you make just the that of kind of the the de evolution of Chad 329 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:45.279 Kelly here over the last you know, the last whatever it was forty eight 330 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:49.400 hours. Well, the craziest thing is this was really the first game that 331 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:55.200 he lost this year, Like he was what fifteen and one. Technically they 332 00:19:55.240 --> 00:20:00.000 credited that Calgary loss that they had against him, but he didn't even finish 333 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.240 that game. So this was literally a perfect season for him up until this 334 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.359 point. And then it just all unraveled all at once. And I think 335 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:11.240 that in terms of like the biggest egg layings that I've ever seen, if 336 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.359 you want to use that phrase, I would go back to the twenty nineteen 337 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:18.440 Great Cup with the Hamilton, that fifteen to three team, how excited I 338 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:22.359 was for that team and how they were favored in a great Cup for once, 339 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:26.119 and then they just come out and just get destroyed by a Winnipeg team 340 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:29.279 that we didn't know how good they were at that point in time. They 341 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.960 were a third seed in the West Division coming into the playoffs that year. 342 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:36.440 And then I go back to twenty thirteen in the Super Bowl where the Denver 343 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:41.079 Broncos led by Peyton Manning and that record setting offense just getting destroyed by that 344 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:45.319 Seahawks defense. And it really was a defensive story for Montreal in this game. 345 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.759 I mean, the offenses. The offense for Montreal really cashed in when 346 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:52.680 they needed to. And I think that is really the key with their team 347 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:56.119 is when they do get those takeaways, that's when they score their points. 348 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.400 And they've just been a very complimentary team in that regard all year long. 349 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.599 And I think that one thing with this group this year, and I think 350 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:07.720 it's really key for this entire organization, is that midway through the season. 351 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:11.359 You know, obviously they had the turmoil in the offseason, but midway through 352 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:15.880 the season they bring in Darnall Sanky and Sean Lemon and they signify to the 353 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.720 rest of that unit that we're gonna go for We're gonna, you know, 354 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:22.640 try all out to win the Great Cup this year and ultimately those signings have 355 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.759 paid off in a huge way. What did Darnall Sanky have eight tackles, 356 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.279 two sacks and interception or something like that. Maybe maybe that was last week, 357 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:34.759 but he had a gigantic game in this one, and Sean Lemon had 358 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:37.680 a huge impact as well. Yeah, you saw that. Now you saw 359 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.240 a lot of like Johnny Johnny cum lately is on that like, well, 360 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:44.960 you know we've you know, we've tracted during the Sanky but why why wasn't 361 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:48.240 he there at the beginning of the season because he was winning the championship for 362 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:51.640 the XVl Roughnecks and you know, uh the rennagains excuse me, and that 363 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:53.960 we've you know, we've talked about that a lot. I thought that was 364 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.759 interesting on that. Uh, the Ken has a comment here and they're talking 365 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:03.279 about the chat chat it feels bad, biggest responsible for five thousand more takets 366 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:06.039 to the big jump in the TS and audience. I did see that. 367 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:07.839 I just come before I got on here. I don't know when it was 368 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:11.119 supposed to I assume earlier today, but you know, good ratings for the 369 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:15.200 East and we were talking, you know, the Saturday playoffs versus all that 370 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:18.079 I did that I humored myself, maybe not everybody with the joke that we 371 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:22.160 finally get the biggest audience in demo history for the Argos and they completely grab 372 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:29.039 the bed. Now we've lost the Argos for another generation. But it was 373 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:33.960 a good crowd. I mean, it has to be. I've never been 374 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.720 a fan of like, I've never my team has never been a favorite in 375 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:40.880 anything. I mean even the cracking last year and we were the underdog going 376 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:45.319 into the playoffs, and god knows the Mariners and everything else. But I 377 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:47.759 guess maybe the Seahawks when they were playing the Broncs. Like, I've just 378 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:49.960 never had that of like having the dominant team go in and kind of have 379 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.400 the rug pulled out from under you. Jason, what did you make just 380 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:57.640 of that with kind of the we've done this grassroots effort, you know, 381 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:02.400 Toronto has had a great ear kind of seeing this collapse now, it just 382 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:07.359 it was kind of a beautiful disaster, if that makes sense. Yeah. 383 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:10.200 I kind of joked in the group chat that they're not used to playing in 384 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:12.640 front of this many fans, and I think that when you actually think about 385 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:17.759 it, that's like ten thousand more people watching you at your in your home 386 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:22.200 games than when what you usually get in BMO Field. And you know, 387 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.039 if you've ever been to BMO Field, it gets really loud in there, 388 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:29.480 even when there is like only thirteen thousand people or whatever there. So, 389 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:33.200 I mean, I can't even imagine how loud it got, and you know 390 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:37.319 how like silent it got when the game started going sideways for them, and 391 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.160 it was just shocking because it just kept on going downhill for them. I 392 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:45.039 think that it kind of reminded me as the game was going on of a 393 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:49.480 couple of years ago when Saskatchwan and Winnipeg played in the West Final and saskatchwe 394 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:53.160 had like a six to one turnover edge in Winnipeg still won. I still 395 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:56.160 thought through the majority of this game that Toronto had a chance to get it 396 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:00.279 together, but it just continued to keep on slow for them in that third 397 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:07.480 quarter. Really was the exclamation part when point when wasn't it like three interceptions 398 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:11.519 in a row or something like that from Chad Kelly. So it just completely 399 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:15.599 unraveled for them. Yeah, we had here Marx putting in the comments, 400 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.559 you know, Chad's only got nineteen starts, you know, obviously with last 401 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.480 year and the you know, the Gray Company you know coming in and relief 402 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:25.240 and all that. Yeah, Evan, how do you is it just I 403 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:26.559 mean, I think Chad's going to bounce back. I mean this is obviously, 404 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:30.480 and I saw he posted I think it was like Instagram that got shared 405 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.119 on Twitter or whatever today and you know, like the whole Hey, this 406 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:36.680 was what we wanted. But all this kind of winded up. I mean, 407 00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:40.880 Chad will be fine, but just overall, I guess it just thoughts 408 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:44.720 on that and kind of just the unravely and I guess to kind of round 409 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:47.599 out that before we talk about the rest of the game. Well, you 410 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:49.720 know, Chad will be fine. I mean, he's in the MOP conversation 411 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:52.079 for a reason. You know, we don't forget what he did during the 412 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.559 regular season, you know, but more so than just Chad, I think 413 00:24:56.559 --> 00:25:00.279 the argos will be fine in general, you know, that entire two team. 414 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.119 You know. The one thing that a lot of people brought up is 415 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:06.400 that you know, this team, I mean they've really you know, they 416 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:11.200 haven't faced any kind of you know, adversity or any you know issues really 417 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:14.400 this year, they've just won everything. You know that they never really had 418 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.759 a situation where, you know, there was too much on the line. 419 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:19.200 It was kind of like, we just go out and win football games and 420 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.160 that's that. And then you know, here they come into the playoffs, 421 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:26.440 they find themselves in a sticky situation where they're facing a very good defense, 422 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.440 and you know, that's just one of those things we have to learn. 423 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.480 As somebody said it, you know, Chad only has nineteen starts or whatever. 424 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.160 He's very as much as we've we've praised him this year, you know, 425 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:41.680 he's not Zach Kalaros. I mean, Kolario's has been doing this forever, 426 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:44.640 you know, or at least, well, he hasn't started his entire 427 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:47.440 duration, but he's been in the CFL for a long time, you know, 428 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.200 and of course now he's going to be going, you know, four 429 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:52.279 straight Great Cups. You know, Chad hasn't had that like Chad. You 430 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:59.039 know, the conversation around Chad Kelly started last year only because he played you 431 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.160 know what a half in the Great Cup and then it's like quite part of 432 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:06.960 a quarter. I mean, right, I mean I was spoiler, I 433 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:11.039 was drinking on the concourse it was it was like the end of the fourth, 434 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:14.640 right, it wasn't even that half. Yeah, maybe maybe like three 435 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:17.920 drives at most. Yeah, But my point is, you know, the 436 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:22.680 whole conversation around Chad Kelly started because of a couple of drives. And you 437 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:26.119 know the fact that he came into this season, you know, as the 438 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:32.519 starter with MBT off to the USFL and exceeded everybody's expectations. I mean, 439 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:36.559 that's not that's not easy to do. And what's good, you know like 440 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.640 that, I think more than anything, you know, the Argos now have 441 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:41.119 found a franchise quarterback. That's what's really important. You know, it's a 442 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.680 difficult loss in the playoffs and it's not what you want to see, but 443 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.240 that was really his first bad game, Like Jason said, that's like the 444 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.640 first game he's ever lost, you know, in the CFL. So as 445 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:52.920 much as we could sit here and like I said earlier, you know, 446 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.960 you have to put the blame on his shoulders because he made some you know, 447 00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:59.759 not so great throws and you know, they really did have an opportunity 448 00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:03.359 to get back into it, but because of its third quarter, that opportunity 449 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.119 kind of went away. I will say, the other thing that I want 450 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:10.880 to touch on besides Chad Kelly in the argo's positioning and what the future looks 451 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:15.759 like. You know, just I lost my lost my train of thought. 452 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:22.960 But let's the thing. It's okay, Well, so I circle back because 453 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.759 it's going to come back to me. I did that. I did see 454 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:29.960 a comment where I think it was Derek Dennis posted that, you know, 455 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.000 only having you know, two losses during the season is not enough adversity to 456 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:37.039 be able to not only for you know, Chad, but for the team 457 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:40.599 kind of in general. Like you know, we saw that obviously with the 458 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:42.720 Patriots and the Giants back you know whatever year that was, Like, you 459 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.359 need to be able to go through a little bit of adversity to be able 460 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.000 to figure that out, and it's too hard. Kind of in the middle 461 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:52.720 of the game. Jason, I know you did your video talking about kind 462 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.160 of how the dynasty right, how the Dynasty however you phrased it right then 463 00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:02.039 the dynasty like that, you know, a video of talking about talking about 464 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:06.119 the high in terms of them not facing that adversity going down the pipe. 465 00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:08.920 What did you make of kind of out with sixteen and two or whatever. 466 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:14.279 Yeah, for sure. And Derek Dennis is referring to that twenty sixteen Stamps 467 00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:18.640 team that lost to the Outawa Redblacks in a Great Game, where the Outao 468 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.359 Red Blacks actually had a losing record going into that Great Cup. So I 469 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.319 mean, really shows you what can happen in this league and really in sports 470 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.119 in general. I believe I saw that all of the teams in all the 471 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:34.440 major sports that have the regular season best records didn't win the championships. So 472 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.440 you look at the Warriors team that went seventy three and nine or whatever it 473 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.039 was. You look at the Patriots team that went sixteen to zero. These 474 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:45.920 are great regular season teams and great teams overall, but it really just takes 475 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.559 that one game in the playoffs to trip up. And like Derek Dennis said, 476 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.200 the adversity throughout the season, you don't really face it if you have 477 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.920 that easy of a stretch throughout the season. So I think that we have 478 00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:02.599 seen that trend throughoute CFL history, particularly in recent years. I mean you 479 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.880 look back to those Alouette teams with Calvio, they took a long time to 480 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.559 really be, you know, a successful team in the Great Cups, specifically 481 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.440 even though they've had so many great regular seasons. Those Calgary teams, they 482 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:21.160 had many years where they had disappointing finishes in the playoffs. And ultimately, 483 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:25.920 Winnipeg really can't be caught off guard by this when they play Montreal, because 484 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:27.960 I mean, Winnipeg was a fourteen win team this year and didn't go through 485 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:33.880 a ton of adversity either. I was. I was sectioned, Rod. 486 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:34.759 You know, I has to ride Pierson a little bit. I said, 487 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.559 Ben those Argo fans, I'd like to have a cloud Bethel Thompson back right 488 00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:41.039 at that now, like, oh, we're all good with Jack Kelly and 489 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:45.559 all that. Evan, did you remember what your play was? No? 490 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:47.799 I didn't. I don't know. I don't know what happened. Just it 491 00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:49.680 really slipped away. It's gonna bother me for a while, but I'm gonna 492 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:53.519 do my best to move on. So here, let's get so obviously, 493 00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.759 you know, and we got I want to make sure we obviously get to 494 00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.599 be a BC and Winnipeg and all this kind of stuff. Okay, you 495 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:03.240 know, Chad Kelly collaps, Argonauts, all that stuff. Montreal here, 496 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.839 things that they did well with Talksbar Darnell saying key right, Cody either had 497 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.680 the interception, you know, kind of the Cody game eighteen to twenty five, 498 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.640 you know, almost two hundred yards. Like is this enough because there 499 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.440 was not a lot of offense for the first half of this game from Montreal, 500 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.160 Like, is there enough offense here for them to go up against Winnipeg 501 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.039 If their defense plays like this, they have a shot to beat anybody. 502 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.440 They're on an all time heater in terms of their defense right now. And 503 00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.720 this is what this game really showed that the importance of defense in the CFL 504 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.839 win a defense can really take control of a game and force that many turnovers 505 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.559 because really the key to the Alouette season this year has been scoring non offensive 506 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.880 touchdowns and they got three of them in this game. Obviously the two pick 507 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.799 six is the Dakua one, like you guys mentioned, but also that James 508 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:53.599 Letcher kick return when Toronto looked like they were mounting a comeback in the fourth 509 00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.559 quarter, that was huge. I think you got to put James Letcher in 510 00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.000 the Mark Cast Hall of Fame after that one, and especially if he wins 511 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.640 the Great Cup on Sunday. So I think at the end of the day, 512 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.200 that's just kind of been Montreal's formula all season long, play ball control 513 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.119 type offense, make the timely plays when they get the takeaways, and they 514 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.799 did exactly that in this game. That's so funny, you know because spoiler 515 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:19.160 alert, Like I watch all all these games. I had the BC game 516 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.079 on. I'm getting ready for my by Mitzvah. I'm unloading there. But 517 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.440 you know I watched about eighteen football games yes year or whatever. So yeah, 518 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.839 I completely forgot, and I will tell you so because we had James 519 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.680 Letcher on you know whatever it was going into the last week against Hamilton, 520 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.160 and it's like total nothing burger game, right because it's the game before the 521 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.319 playoffs, and I remember sitting there and I'm interviewing him and he's like, 522 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.000 you know, I'm just trying to get my spot. You know, we're 523 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:48.759 did and I'm thinking, like Montreal's gonna get killed right by by Toronto. 524 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.559 Like this isn't even right, Like yeah, yeah, you know, like 525 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.240 so proud of him because there was that was the thing, like any momentum 526 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.319 here Toronto. Okay, this is the sixteen and two team that we know, 527 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.079 like they're battling back by we see the pig. You so many times 528 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:04.279 and it was like, just like that, James Letcher's back down the field 529 00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:08.400 and totally the gates a touchdown. Evan to you about Montreal strings here going 530 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:12.960 in and what they can carry over to the Great Cup. Well, actually, 531 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.279 you know, I did remember what I was going to say earlier, 532 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:21.200 and it does tie into this conversation because Jason brought up James Letcher. Now 533 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:27.400 you know I was gonna say that, you know, because besides like the 534 00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.079 argos and what their future looks like, you know, there was a point 535 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.079 in that game and even though I knew still that they weren't going to win, 536 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:36.400 there was a point in that game, you know, in the fourth 537 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:38.960 quarter where I think Toronto scored fourteen in the fourth quarter. You know, 538 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:44.160 they had some some quick offense where Chad finally found a rhythm. It ended 539 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.759 up being too little, too late. But that's the one thing I was 540 00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:52.240 going to talk about was James Letcher put the nail in the coffin, you 541 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.839 know, on the on the Argo season, because at one point, I 542 00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:00.359 think it was a one possession game and then he scored on that ensuing golf 543 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.039 from the touchdown and that was when we were all like, okay, well, 544 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:06.240 you know that's that's gonna be it. I mean we already I kind 545 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:07.759 of knew by that point. You know, even if Toronto, you know, 546 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.359 does some cool things here at the end, I think Montreal still hang 547 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:15.039 on. But James Letcher, man, what a cool you know kind of 548 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.759 I mean again, it's one of these things where you know, you might 549 00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:22.960 not hear about a guy until very late in the season. Sometimes in playoffs. 550 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:27.279 I think about Chris Matthews. You know what he did in that run 551 00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.039 with the Seahawks, you know, all those years back when they I think 552 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.960 that was the year they lost to the Patriots, but he had a couple 553 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.160 of big playoff games. I believe he's a CFL alumni as well, if 554 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.680 I'm not mistaken. So yeah, you know, some guy James Letcher, 555 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:45.559 you know, he had people maybe won't talk about this as much, but 556 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.559 James Letcher had some pretty big shoes to fill because Chandler Worthy their normal return 557 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.680 guy. You know, I would say, I mean, look, we 558 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:54.920 always talk about I think, well, this season at least we've talked a 559 00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:59.640 lot about you know, Javon Leak and Mario Alford in terms of you know, 560 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:04.920 eight specialists in the CFL. But you know, Chandler Worthy deserves his 561 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.880 flowers too, man. And you know, he's had some some very big 562 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:12.719 play I think he's had a couple of touchdowns called back because I feel like 563 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.360 he's done a lot more than maybe stats would indicate. But my point being, 564 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:17.840 you know, James Lecher had some big, big shoes to fill and 565 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.840 he pretty much, you know, put the icing on the cake to that 566 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:23.079 game, you know, just as people, because I think there was a 567 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.920 couple of people that were getting excited like, oh, maybe Toronto's gonna do 568 00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:30.360 something in Montreal's offense has been slow all day. But you know, to 569 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:35.000 get back to what we were talking about in terms of Montreal's strengths, I 570 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.679 mean, in this game, you know, their strength was regardless of how 571 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.960 Toronto was feeling, whether they were stalling or whether they were mounting a comeback, 572 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.119 they kept putting points on the board one way or another. Offense, 573 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.000 defense, special teams. You know, they were able to put points on 574 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.480 the board when it mattered most. And I hope, you know, that's 575 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.639 something they can continue against Winnipeg. Now, obviously Winnipeg, with their veteran 576 00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:57.679 experience, might not be making as many mistakes. You know, again that 577 00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.079 was the big difference to me between Toronto and when this season, when you're 578 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:04.599 talking about top teams in the CFL, Toronto's kind of like, you know, 579 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:06.840 the hot, new up and comer they have. I mean, obviously 580 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.480 they well they beat Winnipeg in the Great Cup last year, but you know, 581 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.519 you got a new quarterback. It feels a bit different, right, 582 00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.599 you really don't know how things are gonna go. But Winnipeg and this, 583 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.400 I mean it goes the same against Montreal. They're kind of the new, 584 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:21.360 hot and up and comers now after what they've done in the playoffs with their 585 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.599 defense. But Winnipeg is just that old you know. It's like that old 586 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.639 guy who just sits on the you know, his porch and tells you a 587 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:30.239 bunch of stories. Like they're a veteran team. You know, they know 588 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.800 everything that they're always going to have something to do and something to say. 589 00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:39.000 And you know that's gonna be a tough task for Montreal. But you know, 590 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:43.639 if we're talking about strength still, I think you know one other thing. 591 00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.920 I mean it goes without saying, but their defense, particularly upfront. 592 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:51.119 I mean, you know, next week I want to get more into We've 593 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.440 been talking so much about Darnell Sanki and Sean Lemon. I'm gonna start talking 594 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.320 about a couple other guys on that defense next week, once I sit down 595 00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.719 and really get a better gist of things, but I'll throw in some like 596 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:02.079 I want to, you know, I'll elaborate next week on you know, 597 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.480 Darnell Sinki, you know possibly, I mean, he has the opportunity to 598 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:09.440 win two Pro football championships in a year, which I think Ken here pointed 599 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:15.239 out in the chat earlier. But you know, they're that defense. I 600 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.199 mean when you talk about and I'll cry I was given credit to Noel Thorpe, 601 00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:23.440 to their defensive coordinator. But you know, one storyline I think more 602 00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:28.360 than anything going into this game, the one major strength is that you know, 603 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.079 while their offense, look, you know, their offense didn't have to 604 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:35.079 do a lot that game, but I mean their offense didn't have to do 605 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.840 much against Hamilton either. I mean, they had their moments, but you 606 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.960 know, none of these Montreal offensive performances have been anything to write home about. 607 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.239 But when you have a defense playing that strongly and can force seven turnovers 608 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.960 against one of the best teams in the league, there's no telling what could 609 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:52.760 happen. And I understand Winnipeg's a different breed. I understand. You know, 610 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.239 again, they've got all the experience, they've got, all the tools, 611 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:57.559 they've got all the weapons. It just never ends with them. But 612 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.159 you know, they're like Jeohn Lemon said before that game in Toronto, he 613 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:05.199 says, we're going to shock the world, you know, and sometimes those 614 00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:07.000 quotes backfire on you, but they really lived up to it, you know. 615 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.960 And again, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna talk too much about Lemon 616 00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:13.960 and thank you here right now because we've already you know, we've we've talked 617 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:15.920 about those guys at nauseum and I'll be bringing up again, bringing them up 618 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.440 again next week when we're on the longer show and we've got I've got time 619 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:23.079 to really do a breakdown of every player individually. But man, I mean 620 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:28.000 that, you know, if they really win, if they win this game 621 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.840 against Winnipeg and that defense plays the same way they did it against Toronto, 622 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:35.840 that will be one of the most impressive things that I've ever seen across any 623 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:37.599 pro sport. I'm young, right, you know, I don't I haven't 624 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.400 that wasn't around for some of the great you know, dynasties or great runs 625 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.400 even that we've seen, because I guess Winnipeg is more of the dynasty here, 626 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.320 but that would be extremely impressive. And you can tell that they've found 627 00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.159 something special here. They've found that the secret recipe is secret sauce or whatever. 628 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:58.320 So that's definitely definitely a strength that goes without saying yeah, I had 629 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:04.039 a hey, I did I like the mustached Collie Ferjardo here. We had 630 00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.840 talked last year when Nathaniel Hackett grew the go Tea and it was Ryel Hackett 631 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:12.360 and I thought, this is like Ryel Frajarva here coming in. I like 632 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.760 this. We had Kale Ferjarda as the man in Black here a couple of 633 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:17.760 years ago and he was healing on the rough Riders, so I like to 634 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.519 see that. And then I just wanted to shout out before we move on 635 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.159 to the other game, before we get out of here. I like just 636 00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.199 giving Andrew, We're going to shout out here cats when the Rough Riders stands 637 00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:30.719 watching their former QB and the lead Montreal to the Great Cup here, So 638 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.480 sad Squidworth, Jason, any other thoughts obviously, Well, you know here 639 00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.119 live Saturday, they will do all the other So anything else on this game, 640 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.000 anything else from the East before we move on. Yeah, I just 641 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:43.559 wanted to shout out Jason Moss, head coach for the Alouettes, and GM 642 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:47.000 Danny Machoca. I think they've done an excellent job this season. Danny Machocha 643 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:51.000 having the foresight to, you know, because he was the head coach of 644 00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.239 this team last year and the general manager. A lot of those guys wanted 645 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:57.719 to keep both jobs, but he ultimately decided I'm going to take a step 646 00:38:57.760 --> 00:38:59.800 back and I'm going to hire a head coach, and he brought in a 647 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.800 guy that he's very familiar with in Jason Moss. Jason Moss actually was a 648 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.719 quarterback of a team that he or of Edmonton Eskbos that won the Great Cup 649 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:12.840 in the early two thousands, so you know, Machocha is pretty familiar with 650 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.400 him. So I think at the end of the day, those two guys 651 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.880 have been a big part of their success this year. Last thought here and 652 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.880 I have this tweet up, well, I had my I like the vanie 653 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.119 and the hat look. I like the and I've noticed not a couple of 654 00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:29.199 games here the Vanie and the hat look that Jason Moss has I tried pulling 655 00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.599 that out. Very awkward look here. But you know, we talked here 656 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:36.840 all season right about the games and all that. I don't know and we 657 00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:38.480 we I don't know when we would ever deep that this or not, but 658 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.360 I don't I don't know if it was the rest versus Russ more than like 659 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.400 we've said before, I don't know if two losses is enough to figure out, 660 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:49.079 like what is our identity when our back is up against the wall? 661 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.039 That to me is a little bit more of what that is. Do you 662 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.360 guys have any breaking thoughts on that before we get to the Lions game? 663 00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:00.440 No, not really. I mean I would compare it to almost like you 664 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.719 know, always a big Peyton Manning fan back in the day with the Indianapolis 665 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.639 Colts, and like you saw so many times, they get out to those 666 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.000 thirteen and one, fourteen and oh starts and then they rest their guys. 667 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:12.840 The last few weeks of the season, Toronto, I feel like played a 668 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.079 lot more down the stretch and they tried to keep their guys, you know, 669 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.480 kind of active. But at the end of the day, when you're 670 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.159 not playing meaningful games for such a long time, it can come back to 671 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.440 bite you. All right, let's get here. We got twenty minutes, 672 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:28.000 let's get to because I want to make sure that we got money on that 673 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:32.760 football coming up here. This I wasn't even disappointed, like I said in 674 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.320 the Lions, because I really I feel like we all saw this coming, 675 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.159 I guess, which makes it even more like heartbreaking of like, well, 676 00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:43.079 they're going to go in the Winnipeg. They're not going to be able to 677 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:46.400 run the ball. They're you know, hopefully you know, Vernie doesn't play 678 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:50.599 horribly, but you know, we had three interceptions. Like it was kind 679 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.119 of like I felt like we had predicted this, not that we're like, 680 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.880 you know, no shredamus on this thing. A lot of people could have 681 00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:59.719 seen this coming, but frustrating, I guess, Evan, what were your 682 00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:01.119 in this thoughts on this? Like, like I said, I kind of 683 00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:06.159 resigned already October fourth, like this is probably the fate for the Lions this 684 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.000 year, and obviously I held that hole. But what was your initial thoughts? 685 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:14.480 Yeah, well, you know this was the matchup that we predicted. 686 00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.480 What happen all the way back in you know, June or whenever the season 687 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:22.719 started, this seemed like a very likely situation and unfortunately, you know, 688 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.360 I mean the real thing for me about this game that it's really disappointing is, 689 00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.280 you know, without that Vernon Adams, hail Mary to Justin mcinness before 690 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:36.079 half, you know, BC wouldn't have been in this And that's really you 691 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.519 know, after everything that they've accomplished this season, you know, and everything 692 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:43.119 that they were able to do, it just felt like they they fell flat 693 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.599 really quickly. And you know I point that out not not because I mean 694 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:50.199 I don't want to add insult to injury. I mean the team lost. 695 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.400 It's it's very disappointing. A lot of guys on that team, you know, 696 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:54.800 that have been there through thick and thin, and you know it's again 697 00:41:55.119 --> 00:42:00.599 when you lose back to back years to the same team in the same situation 698 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:01.920 at the same place, I mean, that's gonna leave a mark for a 699 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:06.280 long time, because I mean, your entire season really comes down to that. 700 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.719 But I but I bring up that they came out flat in particularly because 701 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.719 that's well, first of all, it's the opposite of what we've seen from 702 00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:15.519 this team this year. They have been the most explosive team in the CFL, 703 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:21.719 big plays across the board, you know, throwing the ball to just 704 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:27.559 a spread of receivers, you know, And but Winnipeg wasn't exactly dynamic in 705 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.400 this game. I you know, it wasn't like Winnipeg just completely ran them 706 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:32.119 over. This was a very you know, for these teams, at least 707 00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:37.119 low scoring, you know, relatively defensive affair. And I just thought BC 708 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.679 was going to capitalize on that. But they didn't. And a lot of 709 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:46.360 the problems that we've seen from this from this team, you know, throughout 710 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:50.199 the season that we've talked about came up. I mean, once again, 711 00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:53.079 you know, you've got to quantize up five carriers for thirty seven yards. 712 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:57.199 Great, it's efficient, you're averaging seven point four yards per carry. You 713 00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.119 only touching the ball five times, so it doesn't really matter. And the 714 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.079 problem is because they were you know, they got down so early in that 715 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.239 game, they had to keep throwing the ball. And then Keon Hatcher goes 716 00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:10.480 out, and you know, first of all thoughts, before I say anything 717 00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:15.760 else, yeah, players, you know, he you might have the achilles 718 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:20.599 tear recording the far han and you know that that obviously extends in the next 719 00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:22.679 season. So really a painful not only do you lose the game, but 720 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:27.400 you lose somebody that's been so consistent for you all year. And you know, 721 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.960 that was really disappointing. That took away, I think from you know, 722 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.920 Vernon's options. He still, you know, was able to distribute the 723 00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.480 balls somewhat effectively, you know, like Lucky Whitehead stepped up a bit. 724 00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.760 You know, Alexander Hollins, you know, only two catches, but you 725 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:45.320 know over twenty yards of catch. McInnis the leading receiver in this game, 726 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:50.320 which I think was a surprise maybe to myself. Obviously Keyon went down, 727 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.920 but there was a couple other guys where I thought, you know obviously like 728 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.320 Whitehead or Howins might be the next one up. Well really mcinness only had 729 00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.960 that maybe because of the Hail Maryory you know, before half, but really 730 00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:05.000 just I mean, you know, I don't want to just keep saying the 731 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.320 word disappointment from BC, but you know there was a time like look, 732 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:13.199 I think the most frustrating part for me was it was eighteen to thirteen at 733 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.360 one point. Really, you know, they came back somehow in some way, 734 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.719 it was eighteen to ten and a half. Then they get the field 735 00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.440 goal. I think Winnipeg you know, had to miss I might have missed 736 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.159 that part. But yeah, yeah they're doing But it never felt like you 737 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:29.079 said. I mean to me, it never felt like it was even even 738 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.199 if it was eighteen thirteen, felt it could have been forty to twelve. 739 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:34.639 It never felt like it was. It was close, right, I mean, 740 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.400 look, the one the only time in that game where I felt like 741 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.840 there might be some hope was when it was eighteen to thirteen the lines were 742 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:44.440 driving. But then Vernon throws a pick and then yeah, once that happened, 743 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.199 I mean I knew, you know, I mean the riding was kind 744 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:49.519 of on the wall at that point. You know that Winnipeg like even with 745 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.519 by that point, you know they can I mean they just got two field 746 00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:53.280 goals after that, and that's all it took. You know, they really 747 00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:58.559 didn't need to do that much. So very you know quiet, you know, 748 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:02.480 ending to the Lions season and also you know TJ. Lee very unfortunate 749 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.039 injury as well. They lost you know, hatcher Lee. I mean, 750 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.599 some key departures there, you know, in that game. And it just 751 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:13.480 sucks because, like I said earlier, you know, you lose a game 752 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.440 like that it wears heavily. But you know, those injuries that were suffered 753 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.519 in that game, you know those are significant that that could wear into next 754 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.360 year and it might affect your future plans. And you know, all all 755 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:29.280 around just an incredibly sad outing. But on the Winnipeg side of it, 756 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.159 you know, Winnipeg again, you know, I will, I will credit 757 00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.239 BC to a degree. You know, their defense, I mean, they 758 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.719 really slowed the Winnipeg offense down. You know this offense again. I know 759 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.880 I just said b C was the most explosive offense, but Winnipeg's right there 760 00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.360 with them, and obviously well Toronto before they went out. But you know 761 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:51.440 Winnipeg, you know that they can put up you know, forty points, 762 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:53.920 no problem if you're not careful. But BC didn't let that happen. Zach 763 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:59.199 Calaro's fourteen of twenty one for one hundred and fifty eight yards, no touchdowns, 764 00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:02.880 no intercep. I mean, again, not characteristic from him. And 765 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:08.199 look, I'm not gonna you know, I know BC's different defense is different 766 00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:12.519 and obviously you know it'll be a different game next week, different mindset, 767 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:16.000 you're in the Great Cup. But I mean, if BC's defense can limit 768 00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:21.039 Winnipeg's offense like that, and you see how Montreal's defense has been playing lately. 769 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.079 You know. Not not gonna give away too much, but that'll be 770 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:28.159 one of the points I'm expanding on in our discussion next week. So for 771 00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:31.639 Winnipeg, look, you know, I think for them, they got their 772 00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:35.519 run game going one hundred and nine yards and a touchdown from Brady Oliver. 773 00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.000 That to me was one of the differences. Again, BC has no run 774 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:43.280 game. Winnipeg You've got i mean, Preddy Oliver's you know, their MP 775 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:47.920 nominee for a reason, you know, rightfully, So you know, and 776 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.400 the thing is too, very interesting with Winnipeg, but it's not surprising. 777 00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:58.199 They had a couple guys on their injury report, Nick Demsky being the most 778 00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:00.880 notable one going into this game, and Dalton Showan was out, you know, 779 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:06.239 he was ruled out prior to this game. But because they just have 780 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.360 so many options. I know, BC had some options too, and they 781 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:13.559 obviously like you know, Keon was out. But it just never matters with 782 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.400 that team. I mean, someone's always gonna step up. This game. 783 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:21.199 It was Kenny Lawler, you know, And it's funny with Kenny Lawler because 784 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.199 he got to Winnipeg in twenty eighteen was there through twenty twenty one, so 785 00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:28.880 he saw the first two Great Cups. Left for Edmonton last year for a 786 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:32.320 year Winnipeg still went to the Great Cups and lost. How funny would it 787 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.840 be if he came back to Winnipeg this year they win the Great Cup and 788 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.400 he just played in you know, he didn't play in every Great Cup, 789 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.960 but he played and everyone at Winnipeg won, which is kind of a you 790 00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:45.800 know, it's random. But I was thinking about that when they did the 791 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.679 postgame interview with him. I thought, you know, he timed that up 792 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.360 well. And he came in late too, because you know, he had 793 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.960 the issue with his his work visa, I believe, so you know, 794 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:59.039 they obviously got a boost from him mid season. But yeah, you know, 795 00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:01.800 all around, and you know, I don't want to say this was 796 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:07.360 an expected result, but I think to some people it was. It's just, 797 00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:09.719 you know, I thought this might be a more high scoring affair, 798 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.360 right, I didn't see you know. I mean, there was a lot 799 00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.559 of defensive football this weekend the CF I'll tell you that much. But yeah, 800 00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.679 ultimately, you know, Winnipeg's experience and there, you know, just 801 00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:24.760 ability to gut things out. Again. This wasn't a very fast game for 802 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.480 him, but it didn't matter because when Vernon, you know, if he 803 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.360 throws three interceptions, which he did, he had one of his I guess 804 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.719 you'd say off days. I mean, he's still throwing for two hundred plus 805 00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.719 yards. It's still still an off day for him. But you know, 806 00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:43.679 that's it is what it is. And you know, congrats to Winnipeg what 807 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:45.840 we are witnessing a dynasty. And I put out on Twitter, I said, 808 00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:49.239 I would have loved to see BC in the Great Cup. But at 809 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.519 the same time, even if we're used to Winnipeg being in this position now, 810 00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:54.679 I'm really excited to get to, you know, witness that team in 811 00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:59.360 person and be a part of you know, what could be a legendary run 812 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.679 if they go out and win the game on Sunday. Well, it's just 813 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.199 it's frustrating to me and I want to get Jason SUTs like there was a 814 00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:09.559 lot made and I had my tweet here because Dunk was going crazy about earlier 815 00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:13.559 in the week and BC, you know, they're practice, they're practicing in 816 00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.360 the Dome and the U Sports teams outside and who's going to be more prepared 817 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:21.559 and I don't you know, obviously the conditions weren't weren't part of it, 818 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:28.480 but I do think it goes into this narrative that BC is not a strong 819 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.280 team, right, just a physically strong and gored uh that you know, 820 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:37.079 friend of the show he put out, and I'm certainly not going to you, 821 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:38.280 I mean Gord's and football guys, so he can use words, but 822 00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:43.159 he said he does not believe the BC is coached to a high enough level 823 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.920 to be able to go in and compete with Mike O'shee and them kind of 824 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:50.599 pound for pounded physicality wise that way. And you know, I trust Scord's 825 00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:52.960 opinion on that. Like I said, I don't feel like I was, 826 00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:58.079 you know, reading the wedding bieographer. But to me, when you have 827 00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:01.599 someone like Brady Oliver Era and shame on anybody in the world that's like, 828 00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:06.679 oh, should he be the MOP candidate and all that. I mean literally 829 00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:08.559 with the entire first drive, with the entire way down the field, but 830 00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:15.599 you have every single BC defender trying to stop this man rushing down the field 831 00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:20.239 and they can't do it. And it's because Winnipeg is stronger and they can 832 00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:22.480 have physical and you got Brady Oliver that can take on a or and I 833 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:27.000 these guys and that, to me, that's where it is. And until 834 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.000 BC can get to that level. And we've seen this this year and they 835 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.480 come out like he said, they come out slow, or they come out 836 00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:37.440 they lose at home. I'm living with that right now with the Kraken and 837 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.519 we have Dave Haskell stopping practice and screaming the obscenities at them because they're not 838 00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:45.199 I guess, practicing and playing to the level that they watch with. You 839 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:46.760 know, I can tell watching from the stands. It's the same way with 840 00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:52.480 BC when everything's going good and they can zip and fly around and it's not 841 00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:54.920 The Dome is not the cause of it, but it kind of symbolizes all 842 00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:59.719 of that. They're just a soft team. I hate to say that the 843 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:01.920 team, but they're not. It's kind of like the Rams. Don't of 844 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:06.639 you the Rams as being the all that physicality team like I do, you 845 00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.000 know, maybe the Titans running it down your throat or the Browns or whatever. 846 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.280 Jason, what did you make of this? A lot of time without 847 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.119 you talking here? Yeah, No, worries. I think this game was, 848 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.159 like you said, won and lost in the trenches, and I think 849 00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:22.360 the biggest thing that stood out to me was Winnipeg's defensive line won this game 850 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:27.280 for them. They were just relentless. Bernon Adams had no time to throw 851 00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.079 the ball, felt like instantly he always had a defender right in his face, 852 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.159 even the times that he did get protection. I thought that Burnon held 853 00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:38.159 the ball too long and took some unnecessary hits, and Bernon obviously throughout this 854 00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:42.000 game he was really a warrior, and I think that you know, he 855 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.440 wasn't at one hundred percent clearly, but I think a lot of it has 856 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.000 to do with that Winnipeg defensive line. Willie Jefferson, I thought was the 857 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.599 best player on the field on Saturday night, and I think that he is 858 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:57.599 as good as any player in this league when he's playing his best, and 859 00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.360 he's still proved that on Saturday after and so I think at the end of 860 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.280 the day, you know, b C has to get a lot tougher. 861 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.159 I think a guy like James Butler would have made a big impact in this 862 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:13.079 game. They had that element last year that they really didn't have last this 863 00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.800 year. So I think that, you know, maybe they go out and 864 00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:19.840 they add a running back or they add some more beef to that offensive line, 865 00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:23.079 really change their mentality and not be ranked dead last in terms of rushing 866 00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:27.440 next year. I think that's a big component. Maybe get a little bit 867 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:30.639 heavier on defense. But at the end of the day, you don't have 868 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.119 to be this dominant running team, but you have to be able to run 869 00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:37.440 the ball a bit when you want to, and b C just wasn't capable 870 00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.039 of that this year. Yeah, and I don't maybe not soft, you 871 00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:43.840 know, I don't want to. It's not meant to be like offending, 872 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:45.519 but you know, like more of a finesse team. I don't know. 873 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:49.239 That's like when we use Lucky to do kick returns and I'm like, I 874 00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.920 got you got someone that's like, I'm just worried these guys are gonna break. 875 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.159 And obviously there were field conditions and Keon got hurt and TJ and I 876 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:58.960 know we saw Big Hill go down for Winnipeg, and I think we're still 877 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:00.760 I don't know if we with all the travel and stuff, if any of 878 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:04.239 that stuff is coming out yet off the track, you know, with Darren's 879 00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.559 reports, Darren bomb me, but like, I don't know, it just 880 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:09.800 feels to me when you when you when you have br elivator that can literally 881 00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:14.679 pick up the entire BC team and carram down the field. But yeah, 882 00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:17.079 I just would my final kind of thoughts on this that we'll round this out 883 00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:21.159 here pretty soon, you'or in the top of the hour when we when we 884 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:24.119 had the second turnover before half, really just felt like to me, Winnipeg 885 00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:28.599 is a team that you have to play a perfect football game against and you 886 00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:31.000 can't have those turnovers. And obviously Vernon had the had the picks, you 887 00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:34.360 know, the interceptions at the end of the game as well trying to go, 888 00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.480 but Winnipeg is just too good that way. You just can't. You 889 00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:40.079 got to really play mistake for football when it comes to that. Evan, 890 00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:45.119 any other thoughts on on BC's kind of season here, you know, as 891 00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:49.280 we've kind of prognosticated, been out kind of seeing it come out, well, 892 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.440 it's I mean, I don't think you can call it a success because 893 00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:58.639 they didn't really I mean, they didn't really prove too many people wrong. 894 00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.280 They just kind of ended up back in the same spot that they were last 895 00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:06.119 year. But I will say, you do have to give them credit for 896 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.440 I mean, you know, they had one of the most electric quarterbacks that 897 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:13.800 we see. I mean Nathan Rourke. You know, last year was I 898 00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:16.719 mean, we talked about Chad Kelly being, you know, the kind of 899 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:21.960 fun guy that everybody was looking at this year. I mean, Nathan Rourke 900 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:23.519 was better than that. And had he not gotten injured in the middle of 901 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:27.679 that season, you know, I think he would have really done some great 902 00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:29.719 things. And I know he came back for that playoff game at all. 903 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:34.679 But what I really credit BC more for than anything is just you know, 904 00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.719 they took a chance on Vernon Adams. They brought him in, you know, 905 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.719 from Montreal at the end of that twenty twenty two season because they knew 906 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:44.639 that Rourke probably wasn't gonna be there next year. They took a chance on 907 00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:46.199 them. They didn't wait, they didn't you know, mess around. You 908 00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:51.400 know that there their entire you know, front office staff. They just brought 909 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.719 him in and they they gave him a shot and he really you know that 910 00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:58.880 entire I mean, they were just fun. They were a fun team. 911 00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:00.320 You know, it's a shame that thing had to end the way they did. 912 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:06.280 But you know, they were very exciting and I think that they they 913 00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:07.880 should be proud of that. I will say that there's I mean, you 914 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.679 didn't get to the Great Cup. You didn't you know, achieve the ultimate 915 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:15.480 goal. But like I got to see that team in person this year. 916 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:17.599 I got to see him last year and it was a great you know, 917 00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:21.599 it was just a great time. And you know, I was still very 918 00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:27.119 happy for Vernon and all those guys, you know who I think maybe prove 919 00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:30.079 some people wrong. You know, I expect to be to be good this 920 00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:32.239 year, but you know, they were good in a way that you know, 921 00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:36.199 I mean, they played you know, just fast, fun football, 922 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.480 and that's that's something that I'll always be a fan of. I will say. 923 00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:43.719 Just going back to Winnipeg for a quick minute, I know Jason brought 924 00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.800 up Willie Jefferson and I haven't talked about Willie Jefferson this season, but that's 925 00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:51.400 the guy I'm really looking forward to watching in the Great Cup, just because 926 00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:53.760 I think he's one of the better all around athletes that you'll find in pro 927 00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:58.039 football. I understand that, you know, he was in the NFL and 928 00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:01.559 had to come to the Canadian Football League for one or another. But man, 929 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:05.239 I mean even at thirty two years old, you know you're watching that 930 00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.039 guy, he still has so much juice. And I got to give him 931 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:10.800 some credit because he's one of my favorite players to watch. So, you 932 00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:14.199 know, hats off to Willie. And you know, obviously, like Jason 933 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:17.440 said, that defensive line, I mean just had constant pressure on Vernon. 934 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:21.199 I mean, even if they did have a good running game, you know, 935 00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:22.719 who knows what the way that those guys were playing up front, if 936 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.880 they would have you know, been able to get something going. So obviously 937 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:30.480 that's more hypothetical. But yeah, man, Willie Jefferson, I got to 938 00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:34.119 you know, I've been waiting all season to kind of bring his name up, 939 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:36.880 and you know, I feel like now now's a good time to do 940 00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:38.480 that because you know, you don't see a lot of guys. I mean, 941 00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:43.360 he's got six seven, you know, that's like basketball. I mean 942 00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:45.400 you're talking, he's like a power forward in basketball. He just don't see 943 00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:49.960 a lot of guys like that, you know, that are that are that 944 00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.840 effective. Maybe. I mean, you know, you get these freak athletes 945 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:54.599 and a lot of sports, but you know, Willy's been doing this for 946 00:56:55.000 --> 00:57:00.119 a long time. Now you know CFL most outstanding defensive player in I think 947 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.519 it was twenty nineteen, first year they went to the Great Cup. So 948 00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.639 you know he's been doing that for a long time, doing the dirty work 949 00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:08.800 in the trenches. And hats off to him. Yeah. No, I 950 00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:13.079 hate Willy Jefferson and him. You know, he's getting this strumming and I 951 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.280 I you know, as someone that's had to play against some mere I hate 952 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:17.719 Willie Jefferson. I don't even know if I can talk to him on the 953 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:22.360 podcast, I would be so angry at that. My last thoughts. We'll 954 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:23.199 get to Jason, We'll get out of here. You know, I had 955 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:25.679 tweeted and like I said, I'm you know, I got I got my 956 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:30.400 phone mounted and I'm at my butt. MIT's you're watching this uff I just 957 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:34.559 said, quoting I think it's t s. Eliott. This is not the 958 00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:36.599 way the world. This is the way the world ends, not with the 959 00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:37.840 bang by the whimper. That's kind of what I felt like the end of 960 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.159 this game, just kind of a little bit of a wet fart, a 961 00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:45.679 little bit uh hoping for a little bit more there and just not really working 962 00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:49.079 out that way. Jason. The final thoughts from you. No, not 963 00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.280 really, I mean I just wanted to kind of point to a couple of 964 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:54.360 key moments of this game, because I do think, unlike you guys, 965 00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:58.360 that BC did have a shot to come back in this game. It felt 966 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.280 like they actually caught some breaks. Obviously with the mckinnis touchdown before the half 967 00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:07.920 that went in their favor. Sergio Castillo missed a couple of field goals for 968 00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:12.559 Winnipeg. But the two moments I'm talking about are the block punt touchdown by 969 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:15.280 Winnipeg. I mean, that doesn't happen in every game. I mean, 970 00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:17.719 that was a huge swing in this game, and who knows where this game 971 00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:22.440 would have been if that didn't happen. And then when BC was down eighteen 972 00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:25.880 to thirteen, they got the ball back, they were in Winnipeg territory. 973 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:30.760 And then Demurio Houston got a pick off of Bernon Adams that really I thought 974 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:34.400 sealed the game at that point, even though it was just a five point 975 00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.679 game. Houston's been doing that all year long. I think he had nine 976 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:42.119 interceptions on the season, so yeah, great job by him, and Winnipeg's 977 00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:45.960 just showing that championship pedigree yet once again. Well, here we go. 978 00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:52.199 We set up the top. We will be live Saturday three to five at 979 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.239 the BC Lions Den here at the team headquarters at the convention Center. Should 980 00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:59.199 be easy to find main convention center there, and they said we'll be kind 981 00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:05.000 of front and center. I will be in Hamilton Thursday night late there. 982 00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:08.360 Friday. We'll probably stop by the media state of the Unions tomorrow, but 983 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:12.119 I guess Randy, I'll talk to the public Friday, so we'll probably beander 984 00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:15.559 around that and then if people are around Jason, I know we'll meet up. 985 00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:19.599 And I know there is a tweet up at the gown and Gavel that 986 00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:22.280 I've Dorothy and I have been invited to make an appearance out. We did 987 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:24.159 the one last year too, so we'll be doing that Friday night. Jason, 988 00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:28.000 we'll get together, Evan's getting in, we'll figure out all that stuff, 989 00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:30.719 and then Saturday live show before the Great Cups if anyone's round, and 990 00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:34.760 we'll do all that stuff. But send dms, we'll figure out where everyone. 991 00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.119 You know, if you're in the area, s medm we'll meet up. 992 00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:42.679 So Jason, Evan appreciated Evan, anything else from you, I don't 993 00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:45.880 think so. Man, just looking forward to be doing this in person next 994 00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:50.119 week. It's crazy that I mean CFL seasons you know long, and I 995 00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:52.239 mean it's crazy that we've already made it to this point. You know, 996 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.280 we've been doing this since like what beginning of June. That's a long time 997 00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:00.679 weekly recap every day every week since the action and kicked off here, Jason, 998 01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:06.639 anything else from you, no, just daco Evan's sentiment. I just 999 01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:09.639 want to I'm just really excited to see what this live show looks like on 1000 01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:13.320 Saturday. Yeah, it should be good. Like I said, a lot 1001 01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.679 of Marquess guests and you know, Naylor and Farhan and everyone else, so 1002 01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:20.519 it should be good. I appreciate everyone go enjoy this should be good tonight. 1003 01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:23.239 Let's go watch Russell Wilson just get his teeth kicked in by the Buffalo 1004 01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:28.079 Bill. So Jason, well, wishes for your team tonight. And I 1005 01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:32.079 know you echo that sentiment as well. So we'll see everyone Saturday. You 1006 01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:36.800 know XFL stuff. We were talking the thirteenth. I told Evan like maybe 1007 01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:38.599 maybe next week, so we'll see what ends up with that. But we'll 1008 01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:42.280 see you guys. You know, stay tuned. The video that stuff happened, so next