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Thanksgiving twenty twenty two. I hope
everybody is spending it either with your

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family or with yourself happily. I
just hope for a great day for everybody.

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This is definitely a different art of
wrestling than Thanksgivings past. I am

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grateful and thankful for my guest today, Nila Rose. And congratulations to Nila

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Rose for appearing on the Full Gear
pay per view this past week, and

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thanks for being awesome. Nyla is
a new friend in my past wrestling life.

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We never crossed paths. She's a
wonderful human and just a joy to

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share the locker room in the arena
with. I know you'll enjoy our talk

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as much as I enjoyed talking with
her. And I did this podcast at

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AEW, a place where I've been
contracted. I guess I would say off

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and on. I was not contracted
for two days for the past almost three

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years, and a couple of weeks
ago, I wrestled Chris Jericho, and

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I wanted to share the story of
how I almost died wrestling Chris Jericho.

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Not a lot of people know this
story. Some of the people who back

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know this story. The doctors know
this story. I'm not telling this story

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to make an excuse. Nobody would
have even known. Everyone complimenting me on

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my match, and I'm appreciative for
that, but this is just a fun

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story and in twenty years I will
laugh about it. In the moment I

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did not laugh about it. I
guess a couple of weeks afterwards I can

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laugh about it. Of course,
in my laundry room is my wrestling gear.

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I'll wash my knee pads, I'll
wash my singlet I don't dry them,

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though, just wash them, hang
dry them. And of course I

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wash my wrestling socks. Now.
I'm sure those of you with a washer

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dryer in your home know about the
case of the disappearing socks. Well,

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I don't know where my wrestling socks
went. They went somewhere and with me.

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I like long black soccer socks,
long wrestling socks, so there isn't

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a gap in between my boots and
my kneepads. I don't want just like

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Hairy's skin, so I like the
long soccer socks because it fills in that

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space. So before I was going
to wrestle Chris Jericho, I had to

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go out and buy a new pair
of socks, and of course I procrastinated,

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so I waited till the night before
I went over to Target. I

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asked where the soccer section was and
I looked for the soccer socks. I

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went over there and they only had
long black socks for the kids. So

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My next move was I guess going
to the men's socks section, And as

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I make my way over there,
I do see a pair of long socks.

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Now, these socks are called compression
socks, which I kind of know

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what they are, but not really. That's fine, just they'll fit and

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I'll wear them under my boots in
my kneepads. So I do, and

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I wrestle against Chris Jericho. Now, of course that match there was many

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emotions. There was a lot of
tension going into it. My anxiety was

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high, tensions were high, the
building was hot. So as I go

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to wrestle Jericho, I put on
my compression socks, my kneepads, and

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my boots. And what I don't
realize is that I have essentially just made

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a turn a kid for the bottom
half of my body. Here you go.

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I'm gonna read this from the internet
right now. What is the benefits

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of wearing compression stocks. Compression stockings
are specifically designed to apply pressure to your

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lower legs, helping to maintain blood
flow and reduce discomfort and swelling. They

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may be prescribed by your GP if
you have a condition that causes poor blood

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flow in your legs, well here's
the thing. My blood flow is absolutely

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perfect. So essentially what I did
was restrict everything. And I remember vividly

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thinking, man, I can't feel
my legs. I guess it's just the

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nerves. But it was the nerves, It was the anxiety, but it

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was also the compression socks. And
by the time I did that, moonsil

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to the outside and had to run
myself into the ring to go give Chris

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Jericho a flying asshole. I had
absolutely nothing left in my body, and

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I just attributed that to the night
of wrestling, but no, it was

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because I literally had cut off the
supply of blood to my own legs,

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causing high blood pressure and low low
oxygen. I knew I was on live

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TV. I knew it was in
front of a giant crowd. I knew

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it was a big moment for me. So I figured a way to do

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it to Jericho, knowing the match
would come to an end very quickly.

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It did. I for some reason, could not move, and as I

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make my way back to the trainer's
room asking for electrolytes, and the trainers

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being like, we're not sure what's
going on, and me just saying I

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gotta get the stuff off of me. I feel so compacted, and I

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ripped my single it off and it
still didn't feel like enough, and I

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couldn't breathe, and I felt lightheaded, and I had a headache and my

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head was pounding. And then I'm
just like, can you take my boots

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off? And I felt like such
a schmuck asking a grown man to take

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my boots off, but the trainer
was like, oh, of course,

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that's my job, and he rips
my boots off, and then I'm I

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can't take my kneepads. I just
feel so constricted, and he takes my

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knee pads off, and then I
get my socks off, and I say,

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you know, I bought these compression
socks last night. And then the

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eyes of the trainers are just like
what. As I was asked to lay

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back for the next two hours while
ice was just put all over my body,

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I was educated as to why you
should not professionally wrestle in front of

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ten thousand people and almost a million
people at home in compression socks. Hopefully

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my wrong can help somebody in the
future. And you are either a current

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or a future pro wrestler, and
you needing socks. No just grab the

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regular ones. A lesson from me
to you. Before we get into my

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so comfortable. And you did say
I was going to get into some more

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comfortable clothes. That's legit. It
is. It is a talking about a

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visual thing in a audio media.
It's a tie dye Bucky's hoodie that I

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with terrycloth. It's kind of like
wearing a giant towel. M. It's

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it is. I bought this specifically
for like my road adventures, like as

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a piece of lounge where it I
was gonna say it does not leave my

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travel case, but it does because
I wash it because I'm not gross.

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But then it goes right back in
like this is the road. Do you

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have airport? Do you have hotel
specific hotel? Do you have airplane specific?

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I do. I do have a
very specific travel outfit, except for

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occasionally I can be a little ludicrous
and now just I'll come up with the

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craziest shirts and either buy them,
find them, or have my wife make

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them because she does herr own sewing
thing or whatever, and um shout out

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seems legit, mvuh. And I'll
just convince her to make shirts and then

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I'll just wear them in the airport
just to get people and see their reactions.

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Is that right? Yeah? I
mean, I like, for all

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the trips of the overseas trips,
I just have this like target shirt that

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I have that's basically like it's so
comfortable. It's not even a shirt,

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like it's barely all right material,
and it's just like, oh, this

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is the this is the fifteen hour
T shirt that I wear. Yes,

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it's so kind of the same print. So for short flights, like pretty

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much the week to week travel we
do here at a W I'm like my

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leggings with the pocket. Gotta have
a pocket in them, leggings with the

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pocket, some sort of shirt usually
a like a racer back or you know,

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am one of my I've lost words
here, a camisole of some sort

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tank top, something just comfortable.
What did you call a canvas al cammisol?

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No clue, No, it's a
fancy word for a tank top.

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Essentially, it's a fancy thank top
and then like a jacket that's like the

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same material as the leggings, all
eth leisure wear. That's just my comfy,

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cozy ready for the plane, but
for longer trips, a big T

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shirt and some sweatpants like super cozy, perfect perfect. I learned a tip

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from Tony Hawk about traveling directly or
from Yes I'm magazine. I directly read

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it from a magazine, Okay,
but he said, anytime you're traveling,

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make sure you travel in clothes you
don't mind wearing for three or four days

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in case they lose your luck.
Itch, So I've kind of taken that

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to heart. Yes, I was
talking. I was talking flight tips with

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Sattenham sing today. I want to
know what his flight just and like telling

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me that like he's done many times
international travel in coach. Oh right,

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what is he like two fourteen?
Like correct, which would be thirteen foot

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two? I think, yes,
okay, yeah, I can't imagine that.

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That was an interesting conversation. Maybe
for a later podcast. Yes,

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it's okay, that's for him and
I just to just talk about traveling tech

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tips. Um, okay, so
wrestling here we are well life. Where

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are you from? I'm from New
York. Now, why does everybody think

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that I just assumed me? For
everybody thinks I'm fro New York, and

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I don't get it. I give
off a New York vibe, my very

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very New York. Have you do
you live? I don't even know where

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you live now in New York.
No, No, I'm not even close,

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not even close, like five hours
ago, North Carolina, where it's

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five hours south of New York Vermont, Washington, DC. What I don't

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know, I say northern and south. I know you said south. I

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just don't know my I just don't
know my Okay, No, No,

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Well, in New York and Chicago, boys, and it is, it's

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all the same. It's all the
same. Um No, I'm from DC,

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from Washington, DC, proper.
I was born in the city.

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I grew up on Mount Pleasant,
which is like right in the heart at

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up fourteenth Street. If anybody knows, it's like a main artery. You

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seem like a real Bronx person.
I don't know what that means. I'm

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like, it was a DC's like
the Bronx of the South. I don't

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that's what they say. No,
nobody says that, um, like,

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now I live in Alexandria, Virginia, what did you did you grow up?

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Um? A political person? Not
at all? Do you have to

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so you kind of have to be
a little bit in this day and age

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just in general, but like,
well if you're living indeed, I feel

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it's so you're so immersed with everybody
there. Yeah, I don't know,

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I'm not. No. So yeah, as as like a young twentysomething person,

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it's a transplant city. There's lots
of people coming in and like,

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oh, I work at this place
and I'm a lobbyist for this thing.

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And it's like okay, I don't
care. Yeah that's just me, Like

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I I can turn off politics like
what it like, what's important? Let

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me vote on those issues, like
let me take a stand for this and

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that. But hey, it's time
to relax, like shut up. I

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didn't know if I don't know,
if it's just like overbearing being in DC

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proper or growing up there at least
No, no, no, no,

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like it. So downtown in DC
is like where a lot of like the

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government and like all the official buildings
are. I grew up a little bit

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more uptown where it's like the suburby
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grew up in a not so good
area. If I took you there,

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now you would see it. You
would call me a liar to my face

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because it's been totally gentrified. But
like when I was growing up, it

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was not a good area, okay, especially in the eighties and all the

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epidemic of druggies and everything. Parents, both parents, both parents? Do

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I have both parents? Yes?
And no? Um my parents never married,

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okay, but they were both always
in my life, like they just

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marriage wasn't a thing for them.
They just were they together. I mean

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at one point, like I'm here, I'm proof that they were. But

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no, they they never tied the
knot. They just hey, this isn't

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for us, And like, kudos
to them for like figuring that out early,

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because the divorces and crap can get
messy. But did you grow up

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in the same house. No,
not at all. No, I grew

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up. I grew up with my
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my mom, my aunt, my
grandma and as wild as this next sentence

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is my grandma's boyfriend. Yes,
and you so you said not that good

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of an area. So I'm imagining
maybe not that like in my head like

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oh, a giant full house house. It kind of was a full house

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house, but like one story.
It was an apartment, an apartment right

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in the heart of DC on Mount
Plea, the park roach you and grandma

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and the boyfriend in one room.
No, so grandma and the boyfriend had

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their room at the at the front. My mom kind of took over the

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living room and it was kind of
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then my aunt and myself had bunk
beds in the very back room, which

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we call the junk room for some
reason. It's just kind of like where

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all the spare stuff was. But
it was like anything we needed to store.

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It wasn't a storage. You know, this sounds horrible. I'm doing

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a terrible job of describing this.
But it was a bedroom, but it's

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like, you know, that's where
we kept our like hey, t put

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coats away for the winter, like
stick him in the closet back here,

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or like all my play toys are
back here, and and up until like

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teenage years, were in a bunk
bed with your aunt. No, so

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we left DC. I want to
say I was probably goodness, you're making

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me think like eight or nine.
Okay, so you they made being nine

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years old in a bunk bed,
Like, how old you think your aunt

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was? Um? Just off the
top of my head, I feel like

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I remember her in her thirties,
thirties. I feel like I remember her

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being thirty six and like during this
era, and I don't want am I

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allowed to ask how old you?
How I am now? I am twenty

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five years old, so being close
for like the thirteenth time. But I'm

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saying, you empathize now of just
being like, whoa my aunt? Just

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imagine you right now? Oh yeah, bunk betting with a nine year old

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right yeah. So I kind of
sort of do that, like with my

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son because occasionally he'll like have bad
dreams or whatever, or he like he

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just needs to be closed, so
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So like we'll have like little slumber
parties everywhere. But this is every

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single you can, don't. You
don't have a social life as an aunt

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like her at the time at the
time, not really like she had her

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friends from what I remember, Like
she would go to work and come home

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and you're not bringing any any friends
home to the bunk bed. No,

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we were just we would just hang
out. We were like a like a

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full house kind of like family unit
kind of thing, like we we were

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the social We were our unit.
And no brothers or sisters or through my

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dad, okay, through my dad's
side. I have a sister who's older

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by one year, a brother who's
younger by one year, and then my

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baby sister who's not a baby at
all now because I just learned she's driving

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and that's terrifying to me. But
she's younger by like a significant amount of

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years. She's like what seventeen now. And then you would split time between

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dad and my or yeah, pretty
much every every once in a while or

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like every whenever, Like it wasn't
arranged. It was kind of like I

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want to see my dad, and
like I would just go hang out at

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my dad's house and there was no
you know, like a lot of split

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family homes are like you get the
kids for two weeks and then now it

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is my week, and now there
was none of that. It was like

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I want to go be a dad. Like for the majority of the time

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I was with him, and your
parents didn't hate each other enough, no

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cool whatever. Yeah, they just
had a working situation. I don't know

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how they did it. I wish
they would write a book because I see

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so many families that our split household, like the parents are just making it

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harder on each other and the kids
are suffering. And I looking back when

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it was like super blessed that my
parents they got along and they just made

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it work. Like they marriage wasn't
for them, love wasn't for them,

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but they had a love for each
other and they did what they could for

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each other to make my life as
easy and smooth as possible. And I'm

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like, kudos to you guys.
Oh yeah, the podcasts are ad free

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over my Patreon. But right now
I'm gonna take a quick break. We'll

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be right back wrestling. Since since
a kid, since a kid, I

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want to say four any I mean
too, it's so weird, like and

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that's a question were always going to
ask, like, and it's just but

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like you you always have that flashback
of that memory of just being like,

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like, why do I remember Andrew
the Giant getting his haircut at three years

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ago? Yeah? So right,
hey, I just I just remember once

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once it like really got hooked into
me, like it was something I did

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with my grandmother Um as I've mentioned
numerous times, and a lot of people

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may her boyfriend. No, he
was a musician though, so he was

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like often like in his like world, like headphones on, on the keyboard

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whatever. Me and my grandma would
just be like jamming out in the bed

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watching earthquake or like demolition or something, and she loved it or she loved

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it. She would tell me the
same story about her going down to the

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armory and watching hay Stacks Calhoun and
uh, Coco beware. But my grandma,

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of course from the South, would
like add unnecessary, Coco be wares,

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I can just and uh, yeah, that's amazing. And as she

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like, do you recall her like
teaching you about wrestling or making you watch

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like do you think you've picked it
up? Or she was just like sit

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down and let's I'm gonna show you
professional wrestling. No, it was it

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was more like, uh it was
it was more like she was watching it.

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She was doing her thing, and
I'm like, Grandma, what on

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earth are you watching? And she
just was screwed over and let me PLoP

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kind of how I'm sitting on the
edge of this bed. Like we would

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just sit there and his eyes glued. Do you remember her like every week

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wanting to watch wrestling? Yeah,
like it was just it literally was something

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we did. Like even even in
her older older years or later years,

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she would rush us off the phone, like my mom would call her up,

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or like I would call her up. She would legitimately like, girl,

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I got to go my my wrestlings
on, Like she would rush us

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off the phone. Do you want
to talk to us? No more?

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We haven't heard from grandma all day? Is yeah, I was at the

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store. I'm shopping, like my
wrest in my show was on. Get

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me get off the phone. Now? Is she just watching? Like is

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she like a super She like all
wrestling and it is like knows about everybody?

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Or is it was just like just
wwf she she knows, she knows

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what she likes. Majority of that
was WWFWW but like any wrestling that was

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on, she would take it in. Okay, she wouldn't necessarily know anybody.

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Yeah, but there's there was numerous
times when I don't know, like

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two twelve in the morning whatever,
she would call me like he why are

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you up? First of all,
she's like, who who is this on

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the TV? Who is this man? Fighting, like she just called some

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wrestling somewhere and just wanted to know
who these people are. What did she

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specifically like just in like of wrestling. She would always be like, I

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love it when they do this,
or I love this kind of matchup.

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You know I don't. I don't
recall anything specifically. She loved She loved

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the uh the Muccio Man, the
Mucco Man, so did I. She

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loved him. She loved uh Hogan. Every everybody was Hogan. She loved

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Hogan, No Hulk, just Hogan, uh and and just any any of

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the names from the Golden era really
um. And she hated Jake the name.

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Of course, she's no longer with
us, no longer with h what

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two two years ago? Right right? So? I mean I was gonna

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ask she saw you wrestle. She
has seen me wrestle. She knows I'm

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a wrestler. She worried about it
all the time. She never wanted to

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see me get hurt. Um.
She came to see me at an indie

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show one time in Manassas and threatened
to beat everybody up with her cane.

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Did she get to see the aw
stuff? She didn't. That's when she

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started to get really ill um our
first show in DC. That's that's a

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forever heartbreaking for me. Like we
had plans like, hey, we're gonna

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bring grandma and she just was not
doing well that day and it's like,

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maybe it's not a good idea from
grandma. Did she watched it on TV?

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Yeah? She like of the idea, like she knew what was going

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on or was it like kind of
no, she didn't know what was going

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on, and she had loved it, and she she watched on TV and

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oh God, Like she would tell
everybody in the building, my granddaughter is

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on TV. She loved being able
to rub that in everybody's face, especially

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the building she was in. It
was it wasn't a senior home, but

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it was like a senior community in
one apartment building. Um, so it

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was really cool because everybody was like
independent on their own, but the whole

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building was nothing but senior So they
kind of had that community with them.

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They didn't have to worry about like
young people and the worst Yeah we are

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they didn't have to worry about none
of that. Twenty um. But yeah,

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she would go down and put it
on the TV down in the study

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room and just love to rub it
in everybody's face and then anyone else in

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the big family circle like wrestling.
So my mom has started to get into

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it more over the years. She
was never when you're a kid and you

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pick it up at four, yeah, well she was never into it.

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Then she would just you know,
she would come and sit and watch it

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with us, but like never cared. And then when I told her it

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was what I was going to do, she kind of rolled her eyes.

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But god, last mom supported,
but she was like, oh God really,

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and then she would curse my groum
out what have you started? What

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did you get her into? Um? When she would come and watch my

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matches on the indies, she would
never watch them. It scared her too

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much. She would watch the show, could watch everything under the moon.

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My match started, she would watch
my entrance and then she would leave or

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turn around to say, let me
know when it's over. You know,

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I guess I never even talked about
this sudden on the show. But my

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grandma came to one of my early
matches, and I remember her being like

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scared, yeah, and I I
don't know, I guess until you just

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said that, like, oh yeah, my grandma did that too. And

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then I'd probably like, oh,
yeah, that makes sense, Like I

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never thought like yeah, of course, like we're getting whipped around, slamming

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around in my head, it's just
like I'm doing my dream. It is

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the best. No, exactly,
I remember. I distinctly remember my mom

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cussed me out. I invited her
to a match in Maryland. I forget

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where it was in Maryland, but
hey, I is a match local.

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Do you want to come see it? Whenever I forgot to tell her it

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was a cage match, Mom was
not happy about that. Yeah, I've

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gotten color in front of my mom. Yeah, I remember. It was

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very weird, and I don't know. There was just at a time in

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my career where I was just like
so enthralled and like it was just like

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that is art. This is part
of what we do, and like not

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like being like sorry, I'm mutilated
myself. My mom's a little a little

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boy. But uh so you said
I this is what I said, this

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is what I'm gonna do. Um, like what age did that come out?

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At some point in college? And
um, I could not. I

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think I was legitimately like twenty five. I think I think I was like

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a shoot twenty three twenty four around
then, and well so then that's so

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then it's only two years ago.
But back up before, so then you

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just through high school? Yeah,
through through high school, I was like

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live in life. What were the
plans going to be entertainment in some way,

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shape or form um. I wanted
to I wanted to be a wrestler,

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but I didn't know how to go
about doing it. But it wasn't

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really the drive like acting kind of
was. And it was like, Okay,

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like I know how to do this, Like I'm in place in you

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know, I'm going to like casting
calls, I've I've got headshots, I'm

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going to auditions, like I know
how to do acting like I've got I've

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got connections at agencies and stuff.
So we'll pursue that. So that that's

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what it was. Was like at
some point, some kind of way,

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I need to cross over. I
need to wrestle somehow. I just didn't

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know how to go about doing and
then found a wrestling school in my Nassas,

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Virginia, which is about forty minutes. Well, did you go to

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college for acting? I didn't go
to college for acting. I went to

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college for I just got like a
was like associate's degree, like the general

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like something I could kind of apply
anywhere and make the degree something that I

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could do anywhere in the world while
I pursue acting. Okay, yeah,

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like what liberal arts, that's what
it is. Yeah. I was like,

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wi the hell is the name of
that? Yeah? I mean I

408
00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,319
remember, I just wanted whatever,
and I was just like business. Yeah,

409
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,559
like I didn't care what it was. I just like, I'm just

410
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,960
supposed to get a degree. Yeah, I'm supposed to get a degree.

411
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,319
I'm gonna go to college, so
people who know that I'm smart, but

412
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,200
like, I want to get one
that I can apply in any way,

413
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,519
shape or form to life and just
get a job anywhere if I need to

414
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:19,400
move to Florida or California wherever acting
is going to take me. I just

415
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:25,240
need my degree to be malleable and
good work. Thank you. Yes,

416
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:30,200
Hey, the podcasts are ad free
you over on my Patreon. But right

417
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,400
now, we'll take a quick break
and we'll be right back. So that

418
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,160
that was my plan, okay,
And then my best friend at the time

419
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,519
was like, Hey, there's a
wrestling school down here in Manassas. Do

420
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:44,279
you want to go check it out? And we did we went to Kaider

421
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,279
Pro Wrestling. Now your best friend? Who was this person at the time?

422
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,319
Were they just a friend from like
schools, childhood life, a school

423
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,319
childhood life friend that we grew closer
together through through wrestling. That's what I

424
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,720
was gonna say, Like, did
they know you liked wrestling or they also

425
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:07,799
liked that they also liked wrestling.
I walked into so coming from DC school,

426
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:15,519
very different experience than like a Virginia
school and public school, and very

427
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:21,160
very different experience. And this was
my first time going to this kind of

428
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,839
school and like being on my own
in the school world. My mom,

429
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,880
my whole that side of the family
worked in education. My grandmother and my

430
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,039
mother both worked in education. So
my mom would walk me to school because

431
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,920
she also worked there. You know. So it's kind of even though I

432
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,880
was like on my own in school, I still felt tethered, like I

433
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,359
still had them. Well, now
at this point in life, my mother's

434
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,559
going off to work at her school. I get on the school bus or

435
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,279
you know, even at this point
I'm walking to school, but I'm on

436
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,960
my own. So I walk into
our TA class teacher advisor, free free

437
00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:02,039
period, planning period by a lot
of different names, but we called it

438
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:04,559
TA Walk into TA Class. I
have on an Undertaker shirt. I look

439
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:08,079
across the room. This kid has
on a Shawn Michael's shirt and he's reading

440
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,480
WWF magazine. I was like,
that's my people's And that's how we got

441
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:17,599
close. That's how we knew each
other in seventh grade, and just through

442
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,319
wrestling, our friendship bloomed and grew. So then years later they're like,

443
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,480
I got a school. Yeah,
are we going to do this dream that

444
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,680
we were that we both wanted to
do. That's what it was. He

445
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,920
called me. He was so over
the moon excited. He was so a

446
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,559
little bit of a funny story about
that. He's he's like, let's do

447
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:40,039
it, let's do it, let's
check it out. I'm like, oh

448
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,039
great, you know I'm off work, you know whatever. Date is like,

449
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,480
let's do it and away work.
I think this is when I was

450
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:52,240
working at the photo lab and uh. He ends up going by himself.

451
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:56,799
He's so excited because for him,
it was only about twenty minutes away from

452
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,279
his house. Yeah, super close. For me is like a whole forty

453
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:05,880
five minutes. Anybody who lives in
the DMV knows the traffic on sixty six

454
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,000
out of minassas. Could have been
forty five minutes, could have been an

455
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:13,440
hour and a half. Um.
So he goes out there, he checks

456
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,279
it out or whatever. Are the
guy who runs a place, Jimmy Z.

457
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,319
He's like, hey, let's rib
Nyla and calls me and is like,

458
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,319
oh, you know, your friend
came down. He checked out the

459
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:28,920
school, tried some stuff in the
ring. He's heard, needs to give

460
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,160
me a call back at the hospital, whatever, whatever. I don't call

461
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:38,400
back because I'm busy playing guitar hero
trying to get a perfect score playing thunder

462
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:45,279
Horse on expert mode. I don't
call back for like another four hours because

463
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:51,319
you didn't see the call. I
didn't see the call. So was he

464
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,359
rode in on the game? Did
not see the call? Oh my god?

465
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,799
Right, they has an actual guitar. I'm going to town. I

466
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:01,039
finally called back, like, oh
my god, Jim, what's going on?

467
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:07,000
Like you called me? Jim had
no recollection because it had been like

468
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:14,960
four hours. Oh man, so
did he signed up before you? He

469
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:16,759
did, he did, but like
a couple of them, he could not

470
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,960
wait weeks. That's so funny.
It's only a few days. I was

471
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,880
like, I would do the same
thing. Yeah, I couldn't. I

472
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,079
couldn't be mad. I couldn't fall
to like. I was like, dude,

473
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:29,119
it's like right there, I get
it. Yeah, so you jumped

474
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,119
so, but then you jumped in. I jumped in. Um. When

475
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,039
I did have off of work,
I drove down to Manassas, I went

476
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:38,880
to the school it was and you
were willing to put the guitar down for

477
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:45,720
a limitte. I had given up
on that dream of getting expert mode is

478
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:50,279
really hard. I'm going to use
the dexterity of my fingers into Roman knuckle

479
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,680
loucks. I get I got close. I got close. I settled for

480
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,720
like a good scoring hard nice.
Um. Okay, So you started training

481
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,480
with Jimmy Z training when Jimmy's the
kind of prom A couple of names,

482
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:09,039
John Kerman. Eventually Christian York came
through and I was teaching at the school

483
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:13,920
and yeah, yeah, I feel
I have that T shirt. I don't

484
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,880
know why. Was it a Ying
Yang maybe kay something like that. I

485
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:21,280
think there. I think that might
have been an early one. Yeah,

486
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:22,719
before I got there, maybe before. Yeah, I think I have that

487
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,480
shirt. I don't know why.
I've collect I don't think I'm wrestling for

488
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:31,840
them, but I've collected wrestling shirts. Loki not surprised, Yes, right

489
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,400
right, I don't even know,
especially in my twenties one. I mean,

490
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,679
I'll take anything for free now,
but imagine when I was poor,

491
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,639
right, So, um, okay, so just start training in a couple

492
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,800
of days a week, whatever you
start. So at the time, Jim

493
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,480
was like really he was. He
was really cool. He was really accommodating

494
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,679
because at the time my schedule was
crazy and training. I want to say,

495
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,079
if I remember like choosing and Thursday
for some reason, um, because

496
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:04,840
he had just reopened Kainda. It
had been shut down for a little bit

497
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,079
and moved around. Uh so this
was like a resurgence and you know,

498
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:13,199
new class of trainees and everything.
So it was like a very small class.

499
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:17,840
But he totally made arrangements for me
to come in on Saturdays early morning

500
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,400
to train and and so that's what
I did. I got up like four

501
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:29,079
in the morning on Saturdays. Drove
my little geoism because the P and the

502
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,559
R fell off the bag as drove
my geo prism. Geo metro guy.

503
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:38,400
It wasn't a geo etro. It
was okay, lucky you, lucky you.

504
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,320
I don't want to so I shove
my little, my little black rusty

505
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:51,039
geo prism out to my nassas.
Um. Got got there what like six

506
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:54,159
seven in the morning, tired as
hell, just getting my ass beat for

507
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,559
a few weeks. And then what
and working in a lab but trying to

508
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:00,480
be an actor? Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to trying to do

509
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:05,079
the acting thing, working at a
photo lab, um, and trying to

510
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,840
go to school all at the same
time, and wrestling and regular yeah yeah,

511
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:15,400
so you were busy. It was. It was pretty stupid, but

512
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:21,079
worth it, um. And then
I mean, I think my knowledge is

513
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:25,920
like I think that the whole arc
of the story is, like Kenny befriend

514
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,599
maybe befriended you in Japan. Would
that be the best? No, I

515
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:32,960
wouldn't even say that. We I
didn't even really like get to know Kenny

516
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:37,559
or meet Kenny till here in the
States. Okay, Um, but I

517
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:40,719
guess he had seen some of my
work or like through the small close knit

518
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,519
circuits I got, I got put
on his radar. Yeah, um in

519
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:51,320
Japan. So like, what's the
process of being in a nassas at this

520
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:58,400
uh school with Christian New York teaching
you a couple of days a week while

521
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,719
selling shirts out of the back of
the trunk, which I think is the

522
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,480
thing. He told me he's the
car and he like me too. He's

523
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,920
like, I got this new scam, Like I'll go to the bars and

524
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,159
I'll make these funny T shirts and
I'll self content. I was like,

525
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,559
you're the best question. Bless your
heart. You sure you don't want to

526
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:15,880
do it? I was like,
I think I'm in a point where I

527
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,679
don't need to do that. But
four years ago I definitely would have been

528
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:23,800
there with yeah, um, in
order to get I guess from there to

529
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,960
Japan, right, Yeah, So
a few few bumps along the way,

530
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,480
I guess you could say, um, But eventually I ended up going to

531
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:42,360
Canada to work on a television show. Um and immediately coming back from Canada.

532
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,280
While I was in Canada's rewind a
little bit. While I was in

533
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:52,679
Canada, Nagas, a legendary Japanese
wrestler, had some tryouts here in America.

534
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:57,599
My friend were named Michelle went to
one of those. She got selected.

535
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,000
She went over to Japan, had
a blast in Connections whatever, whatever,

536
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:07,519
whatever. So when I get back
from Canada, this between her going

537
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:12,960
and this happening had been maybe six
months give or take a terrible at time.

538
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,880
But like right when I get back, maybe a week later, Renee

539
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:22,079
is like, hey, Nagaya Soun's
back in America. She's having another round

540
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:23,960
of tryouts. I know you couldn't
make the first one because you were in

541
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:29,119
Canada. You need to be at
this one. I don't know. Like

542
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,280
so by this point, I'm managing
a gym or assistant managing a gym,

543
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,960
and I'm like, I don't know, Like I just got back from Canada,

544
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:42,000
Like, but your assistant managing a
gym. But I mean the way

545
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,920
you say it, like I got
in this gig in Canada, I got

546
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:49,320
a a reoccurring show or what is
Like it sounds like you're in the bids,

547
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,880
still still trying to break through in
the biz. So podcasts are ad

548
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:57,599
free over on my Patreon. Let's
take a quick break. We'll be right

549
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:01,599
back. My boss at the time, super amazing guy, Hey, I

550
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:07,199
got this opportunity in Canada, Like
what should I do? He's like,

551
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:10,119
we can't hold a position, you
know whatever whatever whatever. So I was

552
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:14,559
like, Okay, this is my
two weeks. So I for all intensive

553
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,679
versus quit my job, go to
Canada shoot the thing. I'm living in

554
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:24,239
Canada for two months, the switch, the Switch. We shot the switch

555
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,039
in Canada. That's a whole other
story. Let me wrap this story and

556
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,280
then we'll circle back. We'll go
Score says on this. So I go

557
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,519
to Canada for two months, I
work on the Switch. Um, when

558
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:38,039
I get back to the States,
I need a job again. So I

559
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:39,920
call him up. I'm like,
hey, you know, you got any

560
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,320
openings whatever. It's like, yeah, you know, still got an opening

561
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,400
here. Uh, we'll bring you
back on board and just work you back

562
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,920
in whatever. Whatever. So I'm
jump back on the schedule like I already

563
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,280
knew the job or knew the routine, so it's easy to get right back

564
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,559
to it. Um. So Renee
is like, hey, you need to

565
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:59,440
come to try. I'm like,
Renee, like I'm back from Canada like

566
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,400
maybe a week, two, you
know, two weeks at the most,

567
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,239
Like it's a very small way.
And I'm like just got back, just

568
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,440
got back to work, Like I
can't take any more time off, Like

569
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:10,840
I don't know how I'm gonna get
all the way to New York whatever.

570
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,679
Whatever. She's like, Okay,
I understand, I understand. I guess

571
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,639
she talked in a Guyle's son and
Guess and the guys and really wanted to

572
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,159
meet me. So she's like,
Nyla, you need to be at this

573
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:30,239
tryout cool. I'm reading in between
the lines of what you're saying. I

574
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,639
will figure this out. So immediately
after work, I shut down the gym,

575
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:39,639
jump in the car, drive straight
up to New York, and me

576
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:45,199
and Maria Mannick tried out. Poor
girl hurt her she like broke her ankle

577
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,000
in a freak accident. She was
in her match. As in mind,

578
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,440
poor girl hurt herself. But we
drove what we did that that's a whole

579
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:57,639
other story. And I guess I
wanted a guy son over. She liked

580
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,800
what I brought to the table wrestling
wise, and offered me a position to

581
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:07,079
come train and work for her in
Japan. It's the wrestling business. I

582
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:10,239
don't believe anything until I'm in the
ring. So I'm like, okay,

583
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,440
that's cool. Whatever. You know. She's saying her goodbyes and everything,

584
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,679
and she comes up to me.
She's like, hey, we're doing a

585
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,559
show here over the weekend. I'd
like for you to be on the show.

586
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,480
I go, okay, so go
make arrangements, get a hotel room.

587
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:30,519
Maybe maybe there's something to this,
maybe this is like legit a show

588
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:34,159
up. Sure enough, I have
a spot on her card at the show

589
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,119
and we wrestle, and before the
show was over, she's like, I

590
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,960
want to bring you to Japan.
What was the show? It was Marvelous,

591
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,559
like Marvelous X America. Like it
just kind of like a crossover.

592
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:51,599
Marvelous was Nicaiosun's new brand because she
worked for what all Japan Women's Wrestling and

593
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:54,480
then Gaya Japan. So Marvelous was
like her new venture where it's like just

594
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:00,519
her on her own, running her
own company, and so it's like,

595
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,679
you know how they used like an
X for like a crossover in media.

596
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,800
Sometimes it was as a Marvelous x
USA and it was just like a big

597
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,159
show showcasing all of the Japanese talent. We're in New York, in New

598
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,119
York City, yep. And I
don't remember where, but it was in

599
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:21,159
New York. There was Takumi a
Rohau, Mio, Momono mio. Um.

600
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:28,199
What year do you remember? Is
twenty fifteen, maybe maybe even twenty

601
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,840
fourteen, okay, and a lot
of people. It was a lot of

602
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,679
people there. Um, Leo Rush
was on the show. I want to

603
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,960
say, Cheeseburger was on the show. It wasn't just all female, no,

604
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,360
no, no. It was a
good mix of people. It was

605
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,280
a good mix of people. And
it was just a showcase the Japanese talent

606
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,840
the American talent. And halfway through
the things, I want to bring you

607
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,679
to Japan, you know, and
I was like, oh my god,

608
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,559
that's amazing. Thank you. Um
again, thinking okay, well we'll see,

609
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,199
like when when when do I get
those effort opportunity? When when do

610
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,480
I ever get those opportunities? That's
not something that happens to Nila Rose,

611
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:08,760
like whatever, I don't know,
maybe like three four weeks later, I

612
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,039
actually get a message from someone in
Japan. Hey, you know, I'm

613
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:15,320
working with the guy's son. I'm
the interpreter. This is what we need

614
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,079
to do. I want to get
you over here. I'm like, oh

615
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:20,519
my god, this is like legit, Like I'm actually gonna go to Japan.

616
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,000
I fill out all the paperwork,
I go get the stamps. Next

617
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,320
thing, you know, I'm want
to plane in Japan for five months,

618
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:30,000
five months, five months, I
jumped in, let's do it. Do

619
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:35,639
you quit the everything? I quit
the everything? Yeah, and did you

620
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,440
have stuff back here in America because
I know you aside from family, so

621
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,400
I didn't have a kid at that
point, not the first two years.

622
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:50,199
But yeah, I quit the everything
and jumped all in go into Japan,

623
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:54,840
as they say, made a name
for myself there, I guess, and

624
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:02,280
just working alongside the girls and really
immersing myself in the family style of training

625
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,199
at the dojo, and a lot
of times, a lot of a lot

626
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:12,280
of people make the mistake of like
going over there and being isolated and doing

627
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,000
their thing, And I'm like,
no, if they're awesome enough to bring

628
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,239
me into their lives, into their
house, like I want to work with

629
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,679
them. I want to like get
to know them, Like these are gonna

630
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,800
be my friends, my co workers, this is my they are my life.

631
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,079
Yeah, give me an example of
people going over and isolating. I

632
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:30,039
mean, I'm not looking for news, but I guess I'm kind of being

633
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:31,519
like, what do you mean,
like just sitting in their room all day

634
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:36,960
or yeah, like sitting their room
all day, or like not training with

635
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:40,840
the girls or like you know,
just like I don't even know, like

636
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,280
yeah, I've seen it and I've
heard it, heard of it, and

637
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:51,079
it's just kind of like no,
like I'm going to interact with the girls,

638
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:52,679
like where y'all going. Y'all go
into the movies like let me go

639
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,239
too, and they would laugh.
They'd be like, nil, You're not

640
00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:00,159
gonna understand anything, and I'm like, let's do this. So like all

641
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,719
right, we went to the movies. I saw a fantastic movie. I

642
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:09,000
had no idea what was going on, but I could follow along because I

643
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:12,880
don't know. Just for me,
it's like translating not so much what is

644
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,400
being said, but the situation,
like reading body language, like learning people.

645
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,039
And they quickly were like, no, Nila is one of us,

646
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,880
like she's got a Japanese heart,
like and so what was the schedule?

647
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,960
Just shows in training and pretty much
shows in training. There was definitely some

648
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:35,159
off time and me and just giving
it my all and giving them all of

649
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,280
me. I earned their respect and
like I earned my place and then I

650
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,960
didn't like have to do training with
them. I still did, and I

651
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:44,400
still want it to, but a
lot of times to be like okay,

652
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,760
cool, you know, well,
I'm gonna go for my hikes and my

653
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:52,760
runs and explore Japan, and they
they because to them, a lot of

654
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:58,119
the girls were the co hide like
the young girls, like you know,

655
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,599
they were coming onto things like knowing
that I had been doing this for a

656
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:04,119
while, they kind of gave me
the respect of someone who had been in

657
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:07,519
the business for a while and doing
everything, and I could kind of make

658
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:10,800
my own ruds. I was kind
of like the guy jen Ace if you

659
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,400
will, in the dojo. Yeah, because I was going to ask if

660
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,679
you, like, looking back to
you, like pre going to Japan,

661
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,599
did you think like, oh,
I'm I know what I'm doing. I

662
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,079
absolutely did not know what I was
doing the first few times, but when

663
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,239
I went back the second time,
I definitely knew what I was doing.

664
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,440
I almost been like before even going
to Japan, like before the invite,

665
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,320
like that part of your career,
were you like, I'm pretty confident.

666
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:42,239
I'm still not confident in what I
do? Are you kidding me? But

667
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,280
like, uh, I don't know. Them believing in me helped me believe

668
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,360
in me is cheesy as that sounds, but it really did. It's kind

669
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,920
of like maybe I'm not a failure
at this Like maybe you know, it

670
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:58,840
sucks that it took me coming literally
on the other side of the world to

671
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,760
have that confidence to know that I'm
on the right track, because back home,

672
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:07,679
I'm not getting that same respect,
Like I'm just not getting the same

673
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,880
opportunities, the same respect for what
I'm doing. But coming here to Japan,

674
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,360
people are like appreciating what I do. They see what I do,

675
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:21,480
they see the hard work that I'm
putting in. Yeah, did you.

676
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,320
I mean, I don't know if
you like my track or you know,

677
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:30,360
like I feel, I did every
independent wrestling show ever and I'm sure I

678
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,480
don't know if you've heard this a
lot, but like you know, I

679
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,440
no offense, but you know,
I wasn't aware really of you before none

680
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:40,880
taken. I don't blame you because
like trying to scratch through and get to

681
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,960
like the bigger name promotions, I
was like, and this is just the

682
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:47,880
reality of it is and some heavy
stuff. But I'm like, I don't

683
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,559
know if this is like a girl
thing, if it's a black thing,

684
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,000
if it's a trans thing, but
it's definitely a thing because I'm seeing people

685
00:47:55,079 --> 00:48:01,119
come into this business three months in
and they're having title main event matches on

686
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:06,199
this show. But I've been doing
this for six years and like you can't

687
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:09,000
even let me, you know,
jerk the curtain, Like come on,

688
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:15,800
like just give me an opportunity,
right? Which knocked your confidence? Is

689
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,679
that right? I guess absolutely?
It is kind of like what am I

690
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,840
doing? Like where am I going
wrong? What's what's the issue? Like,

691
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:28,760
what's the issue? Like just be
real with me. Hey, the

692
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,960
podcasts are AD free you over my
Patreon. So right now, I'll take

693
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:36,159
a quick break and we'll be right
back. So you didn't a bunch of

694
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:40,480
trips to Japan? Yeah, Like
I basically lived in Japan off and on

695
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,039
for about six years. That's crazy. Yeah, I don't think I knew,

696
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,400
Like I don't. I guess I
just didn't know the extent of I

697
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,480
don't know. I know, like
all I know is like I think Kenny

698
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:57,239
found you or whatever, so completely
unheard of. In my first year in

699
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,719
Japan, Makosido Mora reached out and
the guys and I was like, I

700
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,400
want Nilo on my shows, and
like had me at Sindai Girls. She

701
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,920
had me on her shows. Um. One thing I absolutely love about how

702
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:15,599
it just works over there is how
they work together all the promotions understand,

703
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,719
like yeah, like this is you
know, this is my show, is

704
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,039
my promotion I'm running right now.
But I'll work with you, you know,

705
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:27,159
we'll share talent, you know,
and they work together. Like everybody

706
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,719
has their own thing that they do, but they'll often work together. And

707
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,000
you'll see some of the talent going
between shows here in Americas, like everybody

708
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:37,360
is like, no, my talent, like you work for me, you

709
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,119
can't work for this. That's gonna
say petty, Like it seems less petty

710
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,400
over there. I don't know if
that's the correct term. Yeah, I

711
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,719
mean, and it's it's wrestling.
It's it's all the same but completely different.

712
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,360
So I'm sure there is some of
that, but it's just handled in

713
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:59,519
such a different and and do you
think that's culture? I do, Okay,

714
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,039
I think I think a big part
of that is culture. And just

715
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,719
like yeah, I don't know what
else to say about it. I think

716
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,360
a big part of that maybe is
the culture. Yeah, um, now

717
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,760
correct me if I'm wrong. I
think if if my correct information, I

718
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:24,159
think did you transition as like as
a wrestler or in your wrestling career?

719
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,360
Yes, as an as an active
wrestler, or I guess technically not an

720
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,239
active wrestler. I took some time
off to kind of like sort things out,

721
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,840
like, you know, what do
I want to do with college,

722
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:42,239
what I'm doing with myself? Like
just where is life going? Um So

723
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:45,480
wrestling stopped, the acting is like
everything just kind of took a back seat.

724
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:50,519
I sorted myself out. I realized
some truths about myself, and it

725
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:54,280
was like, I gotta do this
for myself, for my own mental stability,

726
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:02,239
for my life, quite literally,
and we'll see where things go.

727
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:07,639
You know. It's like maybe there's
nothing out there for me. Maybe there

728
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,639
is. I don't know. But
one day, as it were, I

729
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,880
jumped on the Google machine and I'm
like looking up you know, LGBT wrestlers,

730
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:20,559
specifically trans wrestlers, and just kind
of seeing what's out there. And

731
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:25,519
the only two people that ever came
up in results were Mariah Mareno in California

732
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,079
and then Jessica Love, who is
in Europe somewhere. I want to say

733
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:34,840
Germany, but I could be completely
wrong. Jessica, if you're listening,

734
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,960
please don't beat me up or do
let's have a match. But like I

735
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,239
saw their names, and I was
like, Okay, so there's at least

736
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,119
two people out there who are going
through what I'm going through, who are

737
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:52,079
who have a place, And it's
like, I never thought I would be

738
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:54,760
at the level that I'm at.
I thought the Indies was gonna be it

739
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,239
for me, and I reserved myself
to being okay with that. But I

740
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:05,920
did not reserve myself to being on
the bottom barrel of the Indies. I'm

741
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,079
like, if, if, if
the Indies is where I have to be,

742
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,880
that's cool. I like the Indies, like there's a lot to love

743
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,360
about it, but damn it,
I want to do some great shows.

744
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,480
I want to do some great things
while I'm here. So that's kind of

745
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:22,599
what I was fighting for. Anything
beyond that absolutely a bonus. But just

746
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:28,559
seeing that those two names is two
people existing and wrestling consistently for you know,

747
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,639
a few years for them at the
time, showed me that I could

748
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,360
have a place. Did you ever
reach out to them? I did,

749
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:38,800
and me and Mariah are are good
friends. I was curious of, like

750
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,599
I guess, like I would want
to say, like the like research of

751
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:47,519
like what are the question what are
the questions in my head that like are

752
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:52,320
people accepting or is this a thing
or I don't you know, it's funny,

753
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,880
like I don't I don't think I
cared about any of that. I

754
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,519
don't think I asked her any questions
in that regard to just like seeing her

755
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:04,039
thriving and happy was all the validation
I needed. Um, And I don't

756
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:07,360
even remember how we hooked up or
like linked up or whatever, but we

757
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,400
just like we connected and we just
started talking and it was very natural and

758
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:15,360
flowing. And she's someone I call
a really good friend now. Um,

759
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:20,079
Jessica Love. On the other hand, I've interact with her a few times,

760
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,599
but like definitely not the same bond
that her and Mariah or Maria and

761
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:29,639
myself share. Uh. And so
now, like the community I think is

762
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,519
I think is growing. I'm not
going to speak to her. You know,

763
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:35,559
that's not my place, Like,
I mean, I just see a

764
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,760
lot of these shows, and I
don't see a lot of people more comfortable

765
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,039
coming into the community. I know, I don't know, but you know

766
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,599
it's probably got so such a ways
to go. Oh yeah right, yeah,

767
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:52,239
you know, like you're you're your
observation is pretty spot on. Ye,

768
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,159
yes, we have come leaps and
bounds from where we were even like

769
00:53:55,639 --> 00:54:00,239
four or five years ago. But
we still have so much further to go,

770
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,400
for sure, And so are people
reaching out to you, like I

771
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,440
guess I want to know, like
how much? Because here we are not

772
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:10,639
in an aw bubble or whatever,
but you're you're in a nice spot and

773
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:16,400
a big giant company and like the
two that you you know, they were

774
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:21,199
doing on the indie scene, but
you're here in this I don't want to

775
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:22,280
even want to say a safe bubble, you know, like I assume it's

776
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,480
a say a little but I'm not
in your I don't know what you're you

777
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:29,440
know, maybe I'm just something I
don't know whatever. Um so you're I

778
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,360
mean, you're not in these little
shows that some of the performers would be

779
00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:37,480
in. So I don't know if
you are like someone that they want to

780
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:42,719
ask or reach or inform about like
even or if you feel like it's even

781
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,840
a place that you're even to like
say anything. So it's it's kind of

782
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:53,400
funny because like just what people's expectations
are like there their perception of reality.

783
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:58,400
Like I've I've had people people still
definitely reach out to me, you know,

784
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,679
but I've also had things are like, oh, what we would love

785
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,079
to have knowledge, I would We
know she's expensive, and I'm like,

786
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,639
you've never even reached out to me, Like you're just you're just assuming at

787
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:13,320
this point, like where they just
they just assume the wildest things purely because

788
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,920
they see me on TV or like
have an action figure. It's like they

789
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:22,159
just think I'm unreachable now, which
is like flattering because it's kind of like

790
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:27,559
the reverse of where we were before
all this started. Um, but there

791
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:31,440
there definitely is one company who just
I don't I don't get it. Like

792
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:37,559
I've I've gone to their shows and
like I've paid my dues with them.

793
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:39,800
I've set up the ring, I've
set up the chairs, I've helped tear

794
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,719
down not even on the show,
obviously I'm trying to get booked, but

795
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,920
doing my part, you know,
And I've done this at numerous places because

796
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,559
it's just it's just what you do, not current time, this is,

797
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:59,760
this was before, but this was
before. But but I still fucking would.

798
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,960
I still would just because that's who
I am, and that's just a

799
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:06,599
respect I have for the business.
You know, if my friend is on

800
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:08,800
a show and I show up.
You need a few extra hands to pick

801
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,079
up some chairs. I'm going to
pick up a few extra chairs and I've

802
00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:16,480
done this since I'm not in the
posts. Yeah, okay with you there,

803
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:21,920
screw the posts, but like no, I'll pick up some chairs and

804
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,280
you know whatever and help tidy up. You know, many hands make light

805
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:30,760
work, especially if you know my
friend is on this show. There's one

806
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,840
company in particular, I could never
figure out why they wouldn't book me,

807
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,039
And it's like it kind of hurts
a little bit, like flat out like

808
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:43,960
hey, what's the deal and then
give you the runaround? So not that

809
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:45,440
I needed at this point, but
like, I just want them to reach

810
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:52,599
out. Just I'm gonna be like
nah, well because I'm petty. Oh,

811
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:55,360
it drives me to be great.
I'm determined to be absolutely great just

812
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,480
so they can be like, hey, we have a huge show and I

813
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:02,239
can be like nah, but I
guess, my, my, we're wondering

814
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:09,159
what that was the I guess the
trans wrestlers or the community individually, just

815
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,280
like face, I don't know,
do you are you getting a lot of

816
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,719
Facebook messages? It's like you know
what I'm saying. I'm just like hey,

817
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:15,880
like I'm in this position and I
didn't know who to reach out to.

818
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,719
You're a star on television, so
yes, and in that regard,

819
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,199
yes, and that that is a
wild place for me to be because I'm

820
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:29,559
terrible at advice, Like I probably
have the worst outlook on everything. I'm

821
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:35,559
like real to the point of just
being like a fault like kind of harsh,

822
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:37,960
Like I know you want some uplifting, upbeat message, but like I'm

823
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:45,519
just gonna give you the gods on
its truth. Yeah. Yeah, So

824
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:50,000
don't come to me for advice unless
you want cold, hard facts. Right.

825
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:52,440
But but I but I am happy
to give back and help because you

826
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:58,360
know, nobody, aside from Mariah
and Jessica, like nobody really was out

827
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,079
there when I needed them. So
to be that for somebody else is a

828
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:05,280
blessing. Yeah. I mean it's
just like it's not even a small it's

829
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:12,679
like two people. So what Wow. Podcasts are add free over my Patreon.

830
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,119
I'm gonna take one more break and
then we'll finish off the podcast.

831
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,480
Did you just like get a random
call like, Hey, we're starting this

832
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:23,840
wrestling promotion. It's going to be
on television. Got a random dm D,

833
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,119
Got a random DM from Kenny.
I've told this. I thought it

834
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:31,079
was a joke. I thought it
was somebody ribbing me because I like was

835
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:36,199
just talking about Kenny Omega like in
some way, shape or form, and

836
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:40,159
I thought somebody's ribbing me. Um
and which is a running theme in my

837
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,639
life. Same thing happened with Rude
Boy and ICP. That's a different story

838
00:58:44,719 --> 00:58:47,159
for a different time. Have you
still not done? No, I've done

839
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:51,000
the gathering. But just like when
I when I met Rude Boy, like

840
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:52,920
I thought it was somebody messing with
me, and I'm like, send me

841
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,920
a picture of you on the couch
right now. And then like he's like,

842
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,880
okay, weirdo, and I'm like, I'm sorry, mister rude Boy.

843
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:04,199
I apologize like a lot of a
lot of scammers out there, you

844
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,119
understand. And now we and Rudy
a great friend. But um, but

845
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:10,480
yeah, it's kind of the same
thing. Kenny's like, hey, we're

846
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:14,639
starting this thing. I don't know
if you've heard. We're like we're starting

847
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:17,079
this thing. And I'm like,
yeah, whatever, Ken, if and

848
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,440
you know, then I'm like going
and looking like wait, this is a

849
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:23,159
verified account, Like oh my god, I'm so glad. I didn't cuss

850
00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:25,960
this person. And when you got
that, were you in Japan or were

851
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:30,760
you in a b had just gotten
back to the States, and I did

852
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,480
not know what I was going to
do with my life. Wow. Wow,

853
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:37,760
I was gonna say. It's like
I don't even like, I don't

854
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,480
know if you had a home wrestling
promotion did you even have that? I

855
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:46,000
did not have a home wrestling promotion
anymore. I had gotten muscled out of

856
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:53,079
my shoot job as a caretaker,
so I had nothing. What a great

857
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:59,039
story. I literally had nothing.
I want to say, I had maybe

858
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:04,320
three hundred dollars in the bank.
I mean I usually just like my Mitto

859
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,400
kind of is like that always just
works itself out. Yeah, the same.

860
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:12,480
Yeah, Like I just said,
don't worry about it too much.

861
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,440
I don't know that's what's gonna happen. I don't I don't know. I

862
01:00:16,519 --> 01:00:21,880
think it's just definitely I don't know
that it's privileged, probably be partly partly

863
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,519
privileged, but it's also kind of
like just a person to person thing because

864
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:29,199
I'm very much the same way like
people are, like, what are you

865
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:35,239
gonna do? I don't know,
like go do a job somewhere whatever,

866
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:44,679
beyond their job at the laundry Matt
or yeah, so so like was it

867
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,840
like listen, I know it's not
about money, obviously, it's like the

868
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,239
greatest thing ever to be able to
offer something too. But it's just like

869
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:54,320
I have three hundred dollars, like
like, yeah, like when does this

870
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:00,280
check? We got weekly checks or
that. It's like a race to see

871
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,199
when this when this thing comes through. Kind of like you said, it's

872
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,800
it's it is absolutely not about the
money, but damn isn't nice, especially

873
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,039
when you have three hundred dollars in
the bank, You've got bills do and

874
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:17,000
you don't know where that next check
is coming from for shore and then on

875
01:01:17,159 --> 01:01:22,679
top of it, you're getting a
check for doing something you absolutely love.

876
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:29,719
Uh. And then it's you,
your your kid, your public about this

877
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:34,079
stuff. Yes yeah, and your
wife yes. And she's making gear yes.

878
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:37,559
I feel like I know she wasn't
at the time. Okay, I

879
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:42,480
feel you're like plugging this, but
I do we do all us have gear

880
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:46,519
by her. I think a lot
of people have pieces here and there,

881
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:52,800
but like I also kind of feel
like and this this is the perception and

882
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:57,239
expectations like people people think maybe she's
like exclusive to me. No, like

883
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,440
hit her up for gear seems legit, Like buy her stuff like make her

884
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:09,360
dreams seems legit DMV dot Com Twitter. I don't know that seems legit as

885
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:14,199
e m as it's a pun.
Yes, is that right? Seems se

886
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,480
a m that's right? Um yeah
No. At the time, she wasn't

887
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:22,000
doing gear, but she had been. She's a seamstress by trade, like

888
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:24,400
she's been doing it for like thirty
years. Uh. And I said,

889
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:29,119
hey, uh, gonna be on
TV, needs some new gear that doesn't

890
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:32,039
look like ass. Yeah, can
you help me out? So we work

891
01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:37,039
shopped a few things, and um, the first the first couple of gears

892
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:43,760
went in the trash. She hated. She hated him so much. But

893
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,840
like the first one that actually was
like, okay, this could be something

894
01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:51,440
was actually like a fluke. It
was for what was the thing, fighter

895
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:57,719
Fest? It was the b orchid
green fac simile that we did there for

896
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:04,039
that one for the Fighter Fat Yes, yeah, b orchids from Killer Instinct.

897
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:06,360
I was like, because my nerdy
ass was like, oh, we're

898
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,480
doing a Fighter Fest videogram, so
I'm gonna do Killer Instinct. Okay.

899
01:03:09,559 --> 01:03:13,119
I didn't know any of those references. But now I'm like, oh,

900
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:15,840
I guess that's a thing. So
if I knew that thing, I would

901
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,920
have known that you nodded. You
made me feel good. That's my job

902
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,519
as a podcast. So that was
the first and that she made. It

903
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:27,400
got great reviews, and I gave
her some feedback, and she just kind

904
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,800
of took what she knew from costuming
and making clothes and applied it to sewing.

905
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:36,400
And I keep having to teach her
how to work on the fly.

906
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:39,360
I'm like, think outside the box, Like you're you're not making trousers for

907
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:45,760
like a business meeting, You're making
love. Yeah, like you're making stretchy

908
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,599
fight clothes, Like get crazy with
it. So you can actually, if

909
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:52,360
you pay a lot of attention,
you can see the evolution in her style

910
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,280
and and everything from the Gears the
first few sets to like where I met

911
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,000
now And she'll do anyone else's too, She'll do anybody else. Do people

912
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:06,320
on the roster she do we love
to promote. Yeah, I genuinely don't

913
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,559
know who she's done on the roster
um. I know she's done some of

914
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:15,679
our local talent. She's done some
stuff for people in other companies as well.

915
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,320
Great, and then I mean,
I guess it's just here. You're

916
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,880
on here, we are in aw
and Vicky I had Vicky on Yeah,

917
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:26,960
great, great team. I love
her, right, how can you not?

918
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:32,880
I love her so much. I
did not realize how much alike we

919
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:38,039
were. Yeah. Yeah, she's
fun. Yeah, you guys are both

920
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:41,760
fun. Thank you? And yeah, I guess we hope that this just

921
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:46,320
goes on forever, forever, forever. We do we do because we love

922
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:51,039
it, right. Fun, that's
all I got. I appreciate you hanging

923
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:54,800
out with no thank you, this
is this is fun. It was really

924
01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:00,519
fun. Thank you. Okay.
Bye. Nila Rose can be hell lariously

925
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:05,480
followed on Twitter from the time being
and Instagram at Nila rose Beast. Also

926
01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:13,719
go get yourself some wrestling gear at
seems legit DMV on Twitter and at seems

927
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:21,639
Underscore Legit Underscore Sewing on Instagram seems
as spelled seams. Please go back to

928
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:26,039
last week and listen to the podcast
I did with Peter Avalon. These are

929
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:29,679
the two I had in my bank. Hopefully I will grab some more and

930
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,239
we can listen to some more art
of wrestlings, But for now, we're

931
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:39,920
going to get in some plugs and
coming all right. My Patreon is patreon

932
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,280
dot com slash Colcabana. That's where
you can listen to add free archives of

933
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,519
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934
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:51,760
anonymous and new bonus wrestling anonymous episodes
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935
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:56,519
twice a month. This month,
myself and Hornswoggle listen to some calls and

936
01:05:56,639 --> 01:06:00,400
we gave our thoughts. There are
different tiers over at my Patreon. There's

937
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,320
one where I'll send you a vinyl
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938
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,119
the envelopes and I'll give you a
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939
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,119
You can grab some merch at coultmerch
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942
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943
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944
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:30,320
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945
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,280
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946
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,760
Slash Coldcabana. You can't subscribe for
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947
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,320
and hang out. It's a fun
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948
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:43,320
is my very public email. That's
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949
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,000
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950
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951
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952
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953
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I would love to do them.
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954
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Photo by James muscle White. I
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957
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Cabannah, and a huge thank you
to everybody just for listening, hanging out,

958
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:23,400
being a friend, sending positive vibes
my way. I always appreciate the

959
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:27,159
positive vibes. You people are great. You love wrestling. I love wrestling.

960
01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:30,920
That's why I love you. I'm
thankful for you. Thank you.

961
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:35,199
This has been the art of wrestling
for Colcabana. I'm cold Cabana. Thanks

962
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:55,480
checks check check check it check check
keep checking check check check one, two

963
01:07:56,159 --> 01:08:00,440
three. This is my normal talking
for you and a reasonable volume. Sometimes

964
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,760
take a little loud because I get
excited. I trying to get too excited

965
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:09,320
to be a little more loud.
It's a pretty big mirror. I don't

966
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,360
know which of the million podcasts are
you making me do? What do you

967
01:08:13,559 --> 01:08:19,159
say? This is where you call
up anonymously. You're gonna have a phone

968
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:27,119
call. Okay, here we go. Which one do you want to do?

969
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,840
I don't care. You're just fun
to talk to, so we're just

970
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,720
talking. Yeah, I didn't really
care what you really want to do it.

971
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:38,199
I'm like, yep, I have
no idea what I'm getting into.

972
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:42,720
Oh, well, it's me and
you talking about wife in general. Okay,

973
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:48,239
everything be ups, the downs,
the Bucky's adventures, well not so

974
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:50,520
much left, just