WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:16.719 Hi, welcome back to give us more me Hi, Megan, i' word 2 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:22.480 mentally unstable this week? Yeah? Yeah? Anybody else feel like, I 3 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:28.120 don't know, the world is literally fucking on fire everywhere you look? Or 4 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:32.280 is that just us? I'm like, what is happening to the internet? 5 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:38.359 Why is Hailey Bieber so threatened by Selena Gomez? Lest I don't even want 6 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:41.280 to talk about that, because, like, I feel like there's so much 7 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:44.479 more to this. I always feel like when it comes to celebrity beef, 8 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:48.880 that they'd be beef and just for just for our benefit and for our entertainment 9 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:52.359 and keep their names in our meds. And I'm like, maybe texting, 10 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:56.359 you know, they'd be having fun. Not my Selena. Okay, she's 11 00:00:56.399 --> 00:01:02.200 a sweet, sweet angel. OH can't trust, but our makeup is supposed 12 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:07.040 to slay. I haven't tried it. No, I cannot tell a lie. 13 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:11.879 I cannot. But like, if she wanted to sponsor US, I 14 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.599 wouldn't say no Selena Rare beauty. Yeah, I mean, yes, Selena 15 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:19.359 Gomez will totally sponsor US. I mean it'd probably be easier to get her 16 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:25.799 to sponsor US than it was to get fucking Mattress Mick fucking Mattress. Mike, 17 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.920 Yeah, we don't watch you anymore. What the fuck Mattress? Mike 18 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:38.640 rude, very very rude, rude. So last week we talked about good 19 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:44.439 al Jeffrey Dahmer. This is part three. In the last two parts, 20 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:48.319 obviously, I talked about his childhood, growing up and all that in the 21 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:53.400 first part, and in the second part we dove right on into the fantastic, 22 00:01:55.400 --> 00:02:04.599 wonderful not at all traumatizing murders. They were very traumatizing. You didn't 23 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:08.479 grasp that. That was sarcasm. Oh, heavy on the sarcasm. So 24 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:16.360 I guess we'll just jump right on into our fabulous, wonderful tail. It's 25 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:23.639 it's fabulous and wonderful because it's the last part. Yes, yes, I'm 26 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:28.479 very sorry to everybody if you've made it this far. I mean, I've 27 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:30.120 had a good time. I'm not gonna lie. I've had a good time. 28 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:36.719 But I hate that Jeffrey Dahmer. If I never hear his name again 29 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:39.840 for the rest of my whole entire life, I won't be Yeah, exactly. 30 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:46.199 On June thirtieth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey went to Chicago to celebrate 31 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:51.439 Pride at the bus stop, he met twenty year old Matt Turner. Matt 32 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:57.879 agreed to go to Milwaukee for Jeffrey to take modeling pictures of him. Jeffrey 33 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:01.240 drugged and dismembered Matt and put his head and some of his organs in the 34 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:08.039 freezer. So it's Matt's head that they find heads. Yeah, and you 35 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:15.439 can actually you can find those photos on the internet. Unfortunately, just be 36 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:21.800 warned. On July fourth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met twenty three year 37 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:28.560 old Jeremiah Weinberger. Jeffrey took him back to his apartment. Jeffrey drugged Jeremiah 38 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:32.919 and drilled two holes into his skull. He then filled them with boiling water. 39 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:42.039 Jeremiah died two days later after this. Wait, sorry, the whole 40 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:46.400 time listening to that, I thought like this guy was dead. So repeat 41 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:53.360 that place. He drugged Jeremiah and then he drilled two holes into the top 42 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:57.439 of his head like he did with conorak, and then he poured boiling water 43 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:05.199 into the holes he drilled. Unfortunately, this didn't kill him, so Jeremiah 44 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:12.240 lived for two days after this. That poor guy, Jesus Christ, I 45 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:16.800 know. Yeah, that's first of all, I'm not gonna like shivers down 46 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:24.560 my back boiling water, like that's a form of fucking torture. Straight as 47 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:26.800 soon as he even looked at the drill and was like, you know what 48 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.319 I'm gonna do? You know what sounds like a smart idea? No, 49 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:34.120 Jeffrey, No, it doesn't. Jeffrey put Jeremiah's head in the freezer, 50 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:40.120 and he placed the body in a bleach solution in the bath. On July 51 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:47.240 fifteenth, nineteen ninety one, so like eleven days later, Jeffrey met twenty 52 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:53.959 four year old Oliver Lacy. Using his usual ruse, Oliver went back to 53 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:59.879 Jeffrey's apartment. Here, he drugged and murdered Oliver. Jeffrey called his work 54 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.000 to ask for a day off, which he was planning to use to dispose 55 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:08.720 of Oliver's body. Jeffrey would often do this, which is why he was 56 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:14.120 then fired. Immediately, Jeffrey put Oliver's body in the freezer, and on 57 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:19.240 July nineteenth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey invited twenty five year old Joseph Bradhoft 58 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:27.439 over to his apartment. Jeffrey then drugged and strangled Joseph to death. Jeffrey 59 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.519 just left Joseph's body on his bed with a sheet over him for two days. 60 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:38.360 By July twenty first, Jeffrey found Joseph's body covered in maggots on the 61 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:43.959 bed. Jeffrey put Joseph's head in the freezer and the body in the fifty 62 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:48.160 seven gallon barrel that stayed in the corner of his bedroom. So that had 63 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:54.160 like a solution of some kind in it, and he put the body in 64 00:05:54.240 --> 00:06:00.279 there. First of all, it's July, like the heat. Yeah, 65 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:06.040 the smell, he just the smell, and he just left the body there. 66 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:12.480 He's just drinking himself to the point where he can't even he's not registering 67 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:16.800 it. No. On July twenty second, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey went 68 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:23.279 out and got drunk, speaking of alcoholism. He was wandering the town looking 69 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:27.600 for his next victim. He then met three men at a bar. Jeffrey 70 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:30.319 offered them one hundred dollars to go back to his apartment to let Jeffrey take 71 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:34.600 some pictures of them. Only one of them said yes. That was thirty 72 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:41.839 two year old Tracy Edwards. Tracy immediately felt uncomfortable when he entered Jeffrey's apartment. 73 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:46.800 He noted that there was an alarm system locks on the inside and the 74 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:51.040 outside of the door. He also noticed that despite the apartment looking tidy, 75 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:57.720 there was an unforgetting smell of rotten, of something rotten. There were several 76 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:01.879 boxes of hydrochloric acid, and The Exorcist three was playing in the background. 77 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:08.199 Oh, that makes everything so much worse. I've never seen the Exorcist three, 78 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:15.079 but that was apparently his favorite movie. There's a lot of Exorcist movies. 79 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:17.959 Are you not fucking shit in me right now? So let me check 80 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.680 this out. How did you got that there are different people that are exercised 81 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:27.519 exercise demons? Okay, let me see. They're nowhere near as good as 82 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:33.319 the first original Exorcist movie. I mean that movie was into Oh please, 83 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:41.160 this man has like yellow eyes. He does, no, Apparently Jeffrey Dahmer 84 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:48.720 owned the yellow contacts. No, okay, well, you know how it 85 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:54.399 makes sense for Jeffrey Dahmer because this movie is stupid and so is he. 86 00:07:55.480 --> 00:08:01.959 I mean, no latter was told. Okay. Leaving on moving on, 87 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.279 Jeffrey got Tracy to look at the fish tank that was in the living room, 88 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.639 and while his back was turned, Jeffrey placed handcuffs around Tracy's wrist. 89 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:18.720 Tracy like he never got the handcuffs like fully on Tracy, because as soon 90 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:22.120 as he clicked the first arm, Tracy was like, what the fuck is 91 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:28.319 that? What are you doing? Yeah, So Tracy naturally questioned Jeffrey, 92 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.039 to which Jeffrey responded, quote, I won't hurt you if you let me 93 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:37.159 handcuff you and take some pictures. Jeffrey then pulled out a large knife. 94 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:43.279 Tracy did what Jeffrey like wanted and asked of him. He was just like 95 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.320 sure thing. He took off his shirt and they sat on the bed and 96 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:54.679 they watched The Exorcist three. Jeffrey then lay on Tracy to listen to his 97 00:08:54.799 --> 00:09:00.720 heartbeat. Jeffrey was not concentrated on Tracy the way that he was with his 98 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:05.879 other victims, Like he was like, he's probably wasted, and like wasn't 99 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.399 as with it as he normally would be for his attacks. Yeah. While 100 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:15.440 Jeffrey was out in the kitchen getting himself another beer, Tracy was able to 101 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:20.279 loosen the handcuffs and he was actually able to escape the apartment. Jeffrey had 102 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.120 forgotten to lock the front door properly, so Tracy was just able to run 103 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.679 at the door and then run onto the street. Tracy kept running for like 104 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:35.440 miles for blocks until he came across until he came across two officers, Ralph 105 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:43.960 Muller and Robert Roth, at about eleven thirty pm. The first thing police 106 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:48.039 noticed was that Tracy was shirtless and had handcuffs around his wrists. Tracy asked 107 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:52.240 if they could unlock the handcuffs for him, but their key wasn't the correct 108 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:58.440 one. Tracy reluctantly agreed to bring the officers to Jeffrey's apartment so that they 109 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:05.720 could get the key of the handcuffs off him. When Jeffrey answered the door 110 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.679 to the officers, he admitted he did put the handcuffs on Tracy, but 111 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:16.360 he didn't really have an explanation as to why he'd done it, because clearly 112 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:20.320 Tracy was there. And Tracy was like, I didn't want this, Like 113 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:24.440 I didn't ask him to put the handcuffs on me, Like this isn't consensual, 114 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:26.799 this isn't like a gay thing. Yeah, and we weren't even like 115 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.399 having any sort of romantic thing. And Jeffrey was just like, yeah, 116 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:39.440 I put the handcuffs on him. Why you ask for funzies. Yeah pretty 117 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:45.679 much was just like, yeah, funzies like good terms. Jeffrey invited the 118 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:52.159 officers into his apartment. Stupidly. Rolph Muller began having a look around the 119 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:58.240 apartment when he saw the knife on the bedside locker. Officer Muller then came 120 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:03.919 across the polaroids that Jeffrey had taken of all of his victims. Now, 121 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:09.440 at first he didn't cop what they were until he kind of looked a bit 122 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:16.919 closer, and then he realized that, like, these weren't like staged photos 123 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:22.120 of people who like posed, they were photos of dead bodies. Yeah, 124 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.679 I'm sure that really took them by surprise, because you don't look at Jeffrey 125 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.480 Dammer and think, yeah, you kill people and dismember them and eat them, 126 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.840 like to look at them. You just don't think that he is like 127 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.919 a fucking serial killer. I know, like it's like, what does the 128 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:41.840 serial killer look like? One thousand percent he would be the least person you 129 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:46.600 would suspect he looks like that guy from him you know that movie The Vote 130 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:54.360 for Pedro. No, he does not look like Napoleon Dynamite, Leon Dynamite. 131 00:11:54.120 --> 00:12:01.440 I fucking love that movie. Why would you say that? Do you 132 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:09.960 know the food? But is it? God? I always wondered for years 133 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:11.840 where the vote for Pedro t shirts came from, because back in the day, 134 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:15.360 if you were a scene or emo kid, you had a vote for 135 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:20.879 Pedro T shirt. And I didn't know what it's like, Oh my god, 136 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:24.080 fake, I am a fake? Oh do you want to hear something 137 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:31.720 so embarrassing? He always so. Last year when we were on our holidays 138 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:37.240 in Portugal, we were coming back through the airport and I had a Kiss 139 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:43.080 T shirt on and did someone ask you to name three songs? As I 140 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:48.159 walked up to, you know, passport control m he started playing a kiss 141 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:52.720 song on his phone. The guy in Passport control like he wasn't He was 142 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:56.440 super nice and he was like yeah and I was like yeah, and he 143 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:00.159 was like do you not know this song? And I was like no, 144 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.639 and then it was just really awkward till he like confirmed my passport and I 145 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.600 had to get out of there. And then Nile was like realize what he 146 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.519 was playing? And I was like a CDC because I thought I was wearing 147 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:18.759 an acc top Like it was oh god, yeah, that is embarrassing. 148 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:22.840 Mega, Oh my queed, I know, and I am like the biggest 149 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:24.919 gatekeeper. If I see somebody with a Paramore T shirt on or something, 150 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.360 I'm like, name three songs, what's Haleywood? Take off his name? 151 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.440 Take it off, give it to me, hand it over, Hand it 152 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.360 over right. Now. You may be wearing an X access, but I 153 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:46.000 don't care. I will use it as a headband for my heatless girls. 154 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:58.440 Okay, gil very much anyway. But basically that is that is like Jeffrey. 155 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:03.519 That's what Jeffrey is. And so he like originally, like when he 156 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.679 saw the photos, he kind of just thought like that it was like a 157 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:13.480 weird modeling thing. And then it wasn't until he kind of zoned in on 158 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:16.720 them properly that he was like, wait, no, these are of like 159 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:24.039 corpses. Officer Muller called in Officer Wrath in to show him the pope to 160 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:30.080 show him the pictures, stating that these were of real corpses. Jeffrey, 161 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:35.960 in that moment, decided, fuck, I need to flee the scene because 162 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:41.919 they found my fucking my pictures. It wouldn't have been as soon as they 163 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.360 walked in and decided to go into your bedroom. No all right, no, 164 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:50.240 no, so he decided to try and flee. When he overheard one 165 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:54.960 of the officers say cuff him, he was like, ah, fucking shit. 166 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.240 The two officers had to rest old Jeffrey to the ground to get the 167 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:07.879 handcuffs on him, but they did. Officer Roth kept Jeffrey on the ground 168 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:13.600 while Officer Muller investigated the rest of the apartment. Officer Muller found the severed 169 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.799 head in the fridge. Jeffrey looked up at the two officers and said, 170 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:24.320 quote, for what I did, I should be dead. Oh my god, 171 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:30.960 crimea river, Jeffrey. It's like a bro, honey, pal listen 172 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:37.440 right, just listen. You're not wrong, but I'm not buying it. 173 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:39.759 You're just saying that. So they'll be like, oh no, I don't 174 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.519 see that pearl. So we're just gonna take a quick ad break in my 175 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.919 back. We're back from the head. Did you enjoy it? Did you 176 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:50.759 listen to it? Don't lie? Did you skip the ad? Was it 177 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:56.399 something fun? We know you skipped it? Okay, I skip it. 178 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:04.840 Fine. So police then arrived at Jeffrey's apartment to start a proper investigation. 179 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:11.600 They found a total of seven skulls, two human hearts, a portion of 180 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:18.120 arm muscle, an entire torso, a bag of organs, two entire skeletons, 181 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:25.639 a pair of severed hands, two severed penises, a mummified scalp, 182 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:33.240 dismembered torsos in the fifty seven gallon drum, and seventy four polaroids of all 183 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:37.320 of Jeffrey's victims. That's so sick, But it also begs the question, 184 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:41.799 like, where the fuck was he keeping all of this stuff? Begs to 185 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:51.320 question how no one thought like he lived in an apartment building. How did 186 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:57.559 nobody And I know people questioned the smell, all right, but nobody investigated 187 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:02.480 it. And I mean, I'm sure they thought it was like sewage or 188 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:07.079 something like that. Oh, he like came up with like different stories and 189 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:11.759 stuff, But like, how did nobody hear anything? I mean anything? 190 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:17.200 Yeah, that's another thing. It could be that they genuinely didn't hear, 191 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:21.440 or that they were kind of gotten to a point where they were used to 192 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:26.079 hearing other noises. Maybe the walls were always thin, so like, if 193 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.720 he's paying the excesses three, I'm sure they're hearing terrible dialogue throughout anyway, 194 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:34.079 So I was screaming, probably you know, it's just a part of the 195 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:41.359 movie at this stage. It naturally didn't take long for the media and the 196 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:47.240 public to start gathering outside of the apartment block, because people love to watch 197 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:52.920 a car crash. Yep. Jeffrey was taken down to the police department and 198 00:17:52.039 --> 00:18:00.079 was questioned by Detective Kennedy, Patrick Kennedy and Dennis Murphy. Jeffrey wave Dennis 199 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:04.839 Murphy. The two Patrick Kennedy and Dennis Murphy sound like the two biggest Irish 200 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:12.200 heads I have ever heard. Jeffrey waived his right to have a lawyer present. 201 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:18.799 During the many interviews that took place, Jeffrey stated that he wanted to 202 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:22.640 confess to the crimes of quote this horror and it only makes sense I do 203 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:29.599 everything to put an end to it. Oh suck my fucking balls, Jeffrey. 204 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:33.480 On July twenty fifth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey was charged with four 205 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:38.680 counts of first degree murder, and then by August he was charged with a 206 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:45.160 further eleven counts. Jeffrey was also charged by the authorities in Ohio for the 207 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:52.519 murder of Stephen Hicks. Oh that's good, It is good. Jeffrey was 208 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:57.039 not charged for the murder of Stephen Toomey, as the district attorney was only 209 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:03.799 bringing charges where murder could be proven beyond reasonable doubt. And they never found 210 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:10.200 any inkling of Steven's body. That's so so sad, It is so sad. 211 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:14.559 But all they had to go on was Jeffrey's version of events, was 212 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:22.200 Jeffrey's story, and like, I know, like he was forthcoming with evidence 213 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.400 and stuff like that, but at the same time he was a serial killer, 214 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:29.680 Like how much could you trust his story? Yeah? Very true. 215 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:34.559 The crime is like like the family and that are like, you know, 216 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:40.519 like Jeffrey Dahmer killed. Yeah, it's him, it's attributed to him, 217 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:45.960 but there's just no evidence. So unfortunately, the district attorney was like no, 218 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:52.240 because like that, one case like that, one victim could just completely 219 00:19:52.400 --> 00:20:00.680 destroy our trial. And I guess it was just more important to get him, 220 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.759 which I think kind of is it's almost more important. Well, if 221 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:10.119 he's confessing and he's confessed to this murder, what is he saying in court? 222 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:12.400 He's obviously not going but not guilty. He goes in sanny does he 223 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:18.079 Yeah, he goes with insanity. Oh okay, okay, okay. So 224 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:22.079 it was a case of like, no, we much prefer to just nab 225 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:27.519 him behind bars and then be like you did this, I get it, 226 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:33.039 like which I understand. I know it's probably slightly upsetting for the family at 227 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:37.599 the time because it was probably like, put what about our boy? Yeah, 228 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:41.960 I mean you still want justice for your your family member, your son, 229 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:45.599 your brother. You wanted his name to be to be said. On 230 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:52.039 January thirteenth, nineteen ninety two, Jeffrey pleaded guilty but insane to fifteen pounds 231 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.759 of murder. Jeffrey's trial started on January thirtieth, nineteen ninety two. The 232 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:03.160 trial was to prove whether Geffrey was legally sane and aware of his actions at 233 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:08.880 the time of his murders. The prosecution argued that any disorders Jeffrey may have 234 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:17.480 suffered from did not stop him from appreciating the crimes he committed. The defense 235 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:22.799 tried to argue that Jeffrey was driven by obsession and was unable to stop himself 236 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:27.720 due to the mental illnesses that he had been suffering with undiagnosed Fred Berlin, 237 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:34.119 an expert psychiatrist. Psychiatrist, testified that Jeffrey was unable to control his behavior 238 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:42.400 at the time of the crimes due to paraphilia. Another psychiatrist, Judith Becker, 239 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:51.799 diagnosed Jeffrey with necrophilia. Carl Vall Storm or wall Storm I'm not Ture 240 00:21:52.720 --> 00:22:00.680 diagnosed Jeffrey with borderline personality disorder, schizotypal personality disorder, alcohol dependence, and 241 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:07.880 psychotic disorders. On February eighth, nineteen ninety two, Fred Fustall testified for 242 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:14.519 the prosecution, and he claimed that at the time of the murders, Jeffrey 243 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:18.960 had no mental illnesses. He said that Jeffrey was calculated and cunning and was 244 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:26.400 able to tell from right and wrong. Park Deets, a forensic psychiatrist, 245 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:32.680 testified that Jeffrey quote went to great lengths to be alone with his victims and 246 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:38.240 to have no witnesses. He claimed that quote, if he had an impulse 247 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:44.279 to kill or a compulsion to kill, he wouldn't have to drink alcohol to 248 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:48.440 overcome it. He only has to drink alcohol to overcome it because he is 249 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:56.359 inhibited against killing. He done the crime. Don't come at me with your 250 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:02.079 fancy words. So that's what this guy is saying that if Jeffrey did have 251 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:11.440 these compulsions, that the other psychiatrists and doctors were claiming, then why does 252 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:21.640 he need to drink to help him ease the like, to help ease the 253 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.640 guilt of what he's done. Like, he wouldn't need to drink. He 254 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:30.680 wouldn't be so he wouldn't be so dependent on alcohol to help commit these crimes 255 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:36.960 and to help forget about these crimes. If it was a compulsion, or 256 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:41.279 if it was like a mental illness, he wouldn't need that. He'd just 257 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:42.279 go off and he'd do it, and then he'd come back, and then 258 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:45.839 he'd wake up the next morning and he more than likely would have a vague 259 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:49.160 memory of doing it. I see, all right, I get it. 260 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:52.160 I just find it funny as well. Have he has literally all of the 261 00:23:52.279 --> 00:24:02.799 philias. Yeah, and then he's like, DPD DP Do you mean that's 262 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:11.400 a delivery service name? That's the fucking like ups in art like my brain, 263 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:17.160 I swear to God, my brain. H On February fourteenth, nineteen 264 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:22.160 ninety two, both sides gave their closing arguments. The jury deliberated for five 265 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:30.160 hours before deciding that Jeffrey was guilty and was saying. The court then heard 266 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:36.720 impact statements from the families of Jeffrey's victims. Jeffrey then wrote out on an 267 00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:44.359 apology quote, your honor, it is now over. This has never been 268 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:48.799 a case of trying to get free. I didn't ever want freedom. Frankly, 269 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:53.720 I wanted death for myself. This was a case to tell the world 270 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:59.480 that I did what I did, but not for reasons of hate. I 271 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:03.720 hated no one. I knew I was sick or evil or both. Now 272 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.960 I believe I was sick. The doctors have told me about my sickness, 273 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:12.279 and now I have some peace. I know how much harm I've caused. 274 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:17.920 Thank God, there will be no more harm I can do. I believe 275 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:22.640 that only the Lord Jesus Christ can save me from my sins. I know 276 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.599 my time in prison will be terrible, but I deserve what I get because 277 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.039 of what I've done. Thank you, your honor, and I am prepared 278 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:34.519 for your sentence, which I ask for no consideration. Was he trying to 279 00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:44.920 do like reverse psychology? Probably fucking was like, no, no, judge, 280 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.039 no give me more years. Go on, I deserve I'm such a 281 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:53.680 bad person. Yeah, literally, And he's hoping the judge is gonna be 282 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:57.720 like, oh, oh, now I feel oh, you know, he's 283 00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:07.839 learned his lesson. You're just going home now. I will say that that 284 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:15.799 is partly because his dad wrote a letter when he was arrested for um touching 285 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:21.720 up little kids like a fucking freak that he is. That's another one of 286 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:26.200 its philias. He's a pedophilia. Oh it's not pedophilia. He's a pedophile, 287 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:34.960 but he's a pedophilia. His dad wrote a letter being like, prison 288 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:38.599 isn't going to help him, like I can help him and help It worked, 289 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:44.000 and so I think Jeffrey thought this letter was going to like work. 290 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:52.599 But hunbun, you murder. You're on fifteen counts of murder. Yeah. 291 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:57.759 Sure, And I love the way he brings and obviously yeah, this is 292 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:03.440 in no way shape form aimed at any religious groups. I myself, I'm 293 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.960 a Catholic, but he's like the Lord Jesus Christ can only save me from 294 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:14.039 mass scenes. Where was Jesus when you needed a most Jeffrey, Jeffrey, 295 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:18.160 you wouldn't go to church with your fucking grandmother, like, but now all 296 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:26.440 of a sudden, you need help and you're reaching it. Jesus Lord, 297 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:33.079 Please, Okay, I didn't mean to murder all those men you know, 298 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.400 an accident. I think clipped and fell, and next thing you know, 299 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:44.559 I drugged them and murdered them and dismembered them and then fried up their fucking 300 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.519 flesh and edit. But that was all because I just tripped and fell. 301 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:51.119 You know how it goes Jesus, right, I mean, you get it. 302 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:53.000 You're you're a guy. Right, I've been there. Yeah, you've 303 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:59.680 been there. But you wanted to do that to Judas. Huh. If 304 00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.240 I was a round back then, Jesus, that would have done that for 305 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:10.759 you. Jeffrey was sentenced to fifteen consecutive life terms, which is a total 306 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:17.240 of nine hundred and fifty seven years. Ah, that's nothing but a drop 307 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:23.240 in the ocean. I mean a bit light there, weren't you weren't Judge? 308 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.000 I mean he deserved every second of it and more. There is no 309 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:34.640 death penalty there at this time in present. It's the death penalty was gone, 310 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:41.799 so he could only serve light sentences. Yeah, okay, which you 311 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:48.640 know yeah yep. Lionel requested one final meeting with his son before he was 312 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:53.599 sent to prison, and the judge granted the meeting of ten minutes in private. 313 00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:59.599 His dad was like, can I just please like seeing my son just 314 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:03.279 before, like just me and him before he goes off to prison. Like 315 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:08.200 I have so many fucking questions and like things that I need to say to 316 00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.279 him. And the judge was like, you know what, yeah, you 317 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.119 can have ten minutes alone. Just I think it was well in the TV 318 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:21.279 program it's him, the wife and Jeffrey, so I don't like, but 319 00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:26.440 basically they got ten minutes alone together, like without a guard or a lawyer 320 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.079 or anything present. And I do like in the aspects of Linel, like 321 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:38.000 he knew his son had problems, and he tried in his head like all 322 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:42.559 he could think of, like he helped him when it came when it came 323 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:48.160 to like sentences and being arrested in stuff, and he tried to get him 324 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:53.160 help with his drinking, and he sent him to his grandmother's house to try 325 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.880 and see if that would help him, and helped him get into college and 326 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.319 help him get into the navy. And it was just a bit like how 327 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:06.160 did this happen? And I'd say it was like the shortest but longest ten 328 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:10.200 minutes of his life at the same time. But it's also astounding to me 329 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:14.440 because I wonder how many other people would have asked for this. How many 330 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.079 times has this been granted? Or was this just special case because it's Jeffrey 331 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.599 Dahmer and it's his dad, and it's making a thing up in the news, 332 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.279 And no, I've kind of feel for this kid because he's had so 333 00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:30.440 many of these diagnoses and how many of the people that go in on similar 334 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:37.720 charges or even minor like love charges and stuff that don't get as oh one 335 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:44.079 thousand percent. Like, I'm sure it was very much influenced by the media 336 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:49.960 presence and his diagnosis. And I mean, yeah, I just I mean, 337 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.759 it's a nice thing to do. I'm not against doing it, but 338 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.279 like, if you've got to do it for one, yeah, for non 339 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.839 violent criminals, I feel like, you know, the minor drug charge, 340 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.680 you shouldn't even be in prison. Nobody should be in prison for cannabis or 341 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:08.880 marijuana. Okay, both that. I'm just saying my piece. That's it, 342 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:15.480 that's done, But yeah, you could be on so much worse of 343 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:22.200 a drug li Tuly. Jeffrey was then sent to Columbia Correctional Institution in Portage. 344 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:27.480 Then, on May one, nineteen ninety two, Jeffrey was found guilty 345 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:32.559 of the murder of Stephen Hicks, and he was given his sixteenth life sentence. 346 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.720 The first year of Jeffrey's sentence was spent in solitary due to concerns about 347 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:45.559 his safety because we all know what happens to prisoners who attack and kill and 348 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:57.440 rape younger boys. So younger people like teenagers and underage and it's like a 349 00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:04.960 known thing and so look, it's like annoying. But at the same time, 350 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.960 it's not up to us who gets to die, do you know what 351 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.160 I mean? And yeah, you can't. We can't just put him in 352 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:15.079 there with everybody because they're all just going to fucking kill this guy. Yeah, 353 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.599 it's like, yeah, but nobody, it's not up to anybody to 354 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.960 kill him, do you know, Like we don't have a death sentence in 355 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:29.400 this state, like, so he doesn't get murdered. This part is sickening. 356 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:36.559 Jeffrey soon began receiving fan mail, with some people even sending him money. 357 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:45.920 It's the same. It's called I think hyperstephilia. Someone also created like 358 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:51.599 a comic about him, and they like would send it to him. Oh 359 00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:55.799 brilliant, that's what you should do. Yeah, yep. After a year 360 00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:00.480 in solitary. He was released to a less secure unit, and he was 361 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:06.599 given two hours of daily work cleaning the toilet block. Jeffrey became a born 362 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:12.160 again Christian, and on May tenth, nineteen ninety four, Jeffrey was baptized. 363 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:17.720 This is the same day that John Wayne Gacy was executed. That's really 364 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:22.559 interesting. You know what else I find super interesting about this whole case. 365 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:28.680 It's Jeffrey is born in May, and so many of his crimes take place 366 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.240 in May, and then he gets christened again in May. A lot happens 367 00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:37.400 in May, and it's like an omen for him or something. M very 368 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:42.880 very weird. So it's an interesting tidbit that he is baptized the same day 369 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:46.519 that John Wayne Gacy is executed, because I do and I don't see the 370 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:53.200 similarities, but Jeffrey was talked about as if he was trying to be John 371 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.799 Wayne Gacy, and John Wayne Gacy was like, who the fuck is this 372 00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:02.920 kid trying to be me? Scarlet for all of them? Yeah, like 373 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.680 Jeffrey, Like John Wayne Gacy was like, I don't know who the fuck 374 00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:12.679 Jeffrey Dahmer is like, no, Like what, I'm the villain. I'm 375 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.320 the villain. Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got. I'm still 376 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:22.639 Gazy Gacy on the block, okay on the block, And they weren't even 377 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.079 in the same state, so I don't know why he was concerned. Well, 378 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.360 Dahmer has a fucking comic about him. What does Gasy have? Pogo 379 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:35.559 his own plan. He used to paint his own pictures embarrassing, embarrassing. 380 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:42.440 Nobody wants that. On July third, nineteen ninety four, another on another 381 00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:52.320 inmate Osvaldo Valdo Dorothy not Dorothy Dorothy, okay in Casey, just in Casey 382 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.239 were like me, why are you saying it like that? He tried to 383 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.079 kill Jeffrey by cutting his throat with a razor. However, it was only 384 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:07.199 a superficial wound and Jeffrey was fine. It's just a flesh wound. So 385 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:13.400 it's rumored that Jeffrey would turn his mashed potatoes into the shape of people, 386 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:19.639 and he like so, you know, the way back in, way back 387 00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:25.000 in the first episode, I talked about how he used to do a damer 388 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:29.679 for all of his high school friends and they all loved it because they were 389 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:35.280 all fucking fourteen. While he basically was doing that in prison, but this 390 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:43.400 is prison, so it didn't go down well. Like he becomes a born 391 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.480 again Christian and all of this jazz. But it's reported that he used to 392 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.360 like make jokes about his crimes and stuff, and like he'd turn his mashed 393 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:54.280 potatoes like he'd mold them into the shape of like people and then be like 394 00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:01.039 I'm eating like so and so or whatever, and like it really like got 395 00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:07.159 on a lot of inmates nerves because they were like, you fucking killed like 396 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:13.079 young boys. Yeah, jokes about it, yeah, And then he'd like 397 00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.760 go on and he'd do like a TV interview and he'd be real like I 398 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:22.119 just don't know what's wrong with me, and you know so many things wrong 399 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:27.480 with you, Jeffrey. So like I pissed a lot of inmates off because 400 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.280 he'd be in the prison like making jokes, and then he'd go out and 401 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:37.840 he'd do an interview and he'd be all like, whoe with me? It's 402 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.280 like, Jeffrey Hunt, you're feeling nobody. Yes to make his own entertainment 403 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:47.159 now because he's in prison where they don't have the Exorcist three, He's requested 404 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:51.079 in a lot of times. It keeps getting denied, I wonder why. 405 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.960 On the morning of November twenty eighth, nineteen ninety four, Jeffrey was assigned 406 00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:02.440 his work detail along with two fellow inmates, Jesse Anderson and Christopher Scarver. 407 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:09.760 They were to clean the Jim showers and they were left unsupervised for approximately twenty 408 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:16.400 minutes. At eight ten am, Jeffrey was found on the floor, badly 409 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:23.199 beaten with extreme head trauma. Christopher's Scaver had beaten Jeffrey with a metal bar 410 00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:30.360 that he had also murdered Jesse Anderson with. Christopher told police that he had 411 00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.960 attacked Jeffrey first and then he went in and killed Jesse. He then walked 412 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:39.079 back to his cell and he waited for officers to show up. He said 413 00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:43.960 that quote, God told me to do it. Jeffrey Dahmer and Jesse Anderson 414 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.280 are dead. What was Do we know Jesse Anderson's crime? Why did he 415 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:53.519 decide to kill him too? I don't fully know why he decided to also 416 00:37:53.639 --> 00:38:00.199 kill Jesse Anderson. In nineteen ninety two, Jesse Anderson killed his wife by 417 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:05.679 stabbing her in the face and head five times. He then stabbed himself in 418 00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.360 the chest, but he survived four times. But he survived. His wife 419 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:14.199 went into a coma but tragically died two days later. Oh and then he 420 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:19.079 blamed two black men of course, Oh yep, and Christopher Scaber was black. 421 00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:28.800 So so it's theorized that they purposely left Christopher in there with Jeffrey and 422 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:34.639 Jesse because they wanted Jeffrey and Jesse dead. He's not totally out of the 423 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:39.360 realm. No, Jeffrey died an hour after arriving at the hospital, so 424 00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:45.199 he actually didn't die upon impact, and he was killed with a bear with 425 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:52.599 the jim bar, which if you remember Stephen Hicks, Oh my, I 426 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:58.719 am a firm believer in that karma comes back around. Oh big time. 427 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:05.519 What goes around goes around comes all the way. We're singing so much. 428 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:09.639 Well, we didn't have music our in the beginning, so no, ironically, 429 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:15.119 just Timber released that song. But it's actually reported that he's the one 430 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:23.400 that cheated on Britney Spears. She cheated on him. No, he said, 431 00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:27.559 the narrative came out that she cheated on him, and he just let 432 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:29.519 the narrative go. He was just like, yeah, fuck it, yeah, 433 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:31.760 let that narrative be the one. And he had told everybody that he 434 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.880 had taken her virginity as well. Yep. He was like, that's like 435 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:40.239 been one of the biggest regrets that I don't let that narrative carry on when 436 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.880 I so easily could of, like, and he was like knife fed into 437 00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:49.480 it. Like he released the music video for crimea River. Oh and it 438 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:53.119 is Britney Spears in that. Yeah, like he basically yeah. He was 439 00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:58.920 like, I, like, my manager and my team basically like, is 440 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.920 shitty what he'd done. But he was like, I take full responsibility. 441 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:05.039 But he was like I let them all just let talk me into doing it. 442 00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:09.320 And I just was like, yeah, fuck it, like career and 443 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:14.480 no, where's your career, mister Timberlake, where is it? Because I 444 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:17.000 can't remember the last time you released a good song. He gives me like 445 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:23.599 Gary Barlow vibes now literally and it's like, um, nobody wants to be 446 00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:30.280 Gary Barlow. Thank you for not even gar Gary Barlow is not that unattractive, 447 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:37.599 but he's not, you know, he isn't unattractive, but it's the 448 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:42.119 way he goes on. It's he goes on like Robbie Williams, but he's 449 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.800 yeah, and it's like no, but you're not Robbie Williams. But no, 450 00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:49.719 but I also hate Robbie Williams. You know. It's I like, 451 00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:54.679 don't like the members of Take That alone. Oh wait, were they in 452 00:40:54.719 --> 00:41:00.400 that band together? Yeah? Yeah, that Robbie Williams and Gary Barlow from 453 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:07.239 Take That to Guess Megan? Oh, you know, there's only like two 454 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:13.119 years? Is there two years between us? I'm twenty six this year, 455 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.119 so there's like two and a bit years, like two and a half years 456 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:22.800 between us. That's all. That's not that much. Okay, Well, 457 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:30.079 when did fucking Take That disband? Megan? They disbanded and then got back 458 00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:39.280 together without Robbie Williams. It was the whole imagine have a little patious Oh 459 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:44.440 oh no, you know what, No, teenagers were left distraught in nineteen 460 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:50.039 ninety five when Robbie Williams famously quit Take That. So he quit you know 461 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.360 you left, you don't get Yeah? But then william but then yeah yeah 462 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:57.719 no. And then they came back, and like they came back in like 463 00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:01.960 twenty ten or something. I feel like I remember them coming back. I 464 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:07.079 feel like I remember their at their album when they came back, they sang 465 00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:10.119 the song for Stardust and it's like one of my all time favorite movies. 466 00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.079 If you tell me you hadn't some Stardust, I don't know, I don't. 467 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:22.119 I don't know what you're talking about. You live this guy? Oh 468 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.440 I know? Yeah, Okay, I know the song, but I don't 469 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.800 know the movie. Yeah, you and me, we can right on a 470 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:39.760 start. If you stay with me, Ga, we can rue god o 471 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:45.480 sorry to everybody's ear drums. No, that's like Sunday morning cleaning music that 472 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.440 you wake up and your mom is playing that, or The Beautiful South or 473 00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.079 Shania Twain. You're like, oh, I know, I'm gonna be cleaning 474 00:42:52.159 --> 00:43:00.239 windows today. That's like me though, like and maybe twenty eight but partial 475 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:07.079 to a bit oft. Take that Abba oh abba abba. You can get 476 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.480 down and dirty with Yeah, my god. You know who I was listening 477 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:13.639 to the other day and I didn't realize I knew so much of his music? 478 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:22.079 Tom Jones, What's new? Pussy Cat Whoa? There's that, There's 479 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:30.239 sex bomb, there was She's a Lady Whoa? And then there was another 480 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:37.960 one third Tom Jones three you Oh, I'm sorry, sorry, sir. 481 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:42.119 Tom Jones. Well does go for a quick eyebreak and then we'll continue with 482 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.800 the Jeffrey Tommers. Yeah, so sorry, Okay, see you in a 483 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:50.280 second. Hey guys, Megan here and I just wanted to tell you about 484 00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:53.599 a show called That So Fucked Up presents the Black Dahlia Breakdown. I get 485 00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:57.519 to sit with the host of That's So Fucked Up, Ashley Richers, as 486 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.360 we delve into the murder of Elizabeth Short and the person who likely killed her, 487 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:06.960 George Hotel. Hotel was a highly regarded doctor who allegedly raped and murdered 488 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:12.000 multiple women with an IQ one point higher than Einstein's. To hear more about 489 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.039 this, head on over to That's So Fucked Up anywhere that you can get 490 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:28.719 your podcasts talking about late whoa, Oh my god. I literally was just 491 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:34.199 singing that. No stop, because if I listen back to this recording, 492 00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.079 we're both singing at the same time. I will die. That will be 493 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:45.960 amazing. So we're back from her ad break and we're back from her Tom 494 00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:55.119 Jones ing that was that was good. I'm Tom Jones and Tom Jones and 495 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:59.360 here, brother, you got something on you. You got a step bomb 496 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:05.679 on you got a sex bomb in the other So he Jeffrey didn't actually die 497 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:10.719 straight away. He died after an hour after he arrived at the hospital, 498 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:15.639 so like they tried to save him but were very unsuccessful. Jeffrey's parents fought 499 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:21.639 over whether Jeffrey's brain should be donated to science or not. It was Jeffrey's 500 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:25.920 mother that wanted to donate the brain to science, but Lionel disagreed, as 501 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:32.400 Jeffrey wanted to be cremated. It was in his will okay fair. In 502 00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:37.480 September nineteen ninety five, Jeffrey was cremated and the ashes were split between his 503 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:45.880 parents and Jeffrey's parents, Lionel and Joyce, actually went to trial over what 504 00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:50.800 to do with his brain. Eventually, Lionel won the court case and Jeffrey's 505 00:45:50.800 --> 00:46:00.159 brain was then cremated in December nineteen nineteen ninety five. The Oxford apartments were 506 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:06.400 demolished in November nineteen ninety two, and the site is still currently just a 507 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:12.239 vacant lot. People fought to turn it into a memorial park for the victims, 508 00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:16.679 but in the what are they in America? It's like a county council 509 00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:23.079 over here kind of kind of yeah, like the town government, city, 510 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:28.280 city council, like they have mayors and ship Yeah, yes, they're like 511 00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:34.039 city council. They didn't really they didn't want to because they didn't want to 512 00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:39.880 draw attention to the area because it wasn't already a per area, like it 513 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:43.480 wasn't a good area to begin with, and then they were like, we 514 00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:47.559 don't want to highlight the fact that then murders also happened here. You don't 515 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:52.760 have to make it like you could put it a beautiful park there and then 516 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:58.880 have a plaque there for them. They literally but governments, you know, 517 00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:07.199 they're assaults. Jeffrey's belongings were awarded to the victims families. They were to 518 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.039 be auctioned off, and the money was then to be split between the families. 519 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.920 Joseph Zilber, a local real estate developer, bought everything for four hundred 520 00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:22.960 and seven ties in two hundred and twenty five dollars and then destroyed everything as 521 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:29.840 he felt that the families had been through enough without people trying to buy Jeffrey 522 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:35.320 dah memorabilia. Did they get money from that, yeah, So he bought 523 00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.679 it all for the four hundred and seven ties in two hundred and twenty five 524 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:42.880 dollars. Oh, yes, and then that was divided between all the families. 525 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:49.280 My mats was not mathing. He basically was like, these family have 526 00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:57.599 been through enough without random ass people trying to buy memorabilia of Jeffrey Dahmer, 527 00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:07.639 like without trying to be like I own Jeffrey Dahmer's fucking front door or you 528 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.840 know, like yeah. He was like, what, like people don't need 529 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:14.880 that, Like why would like no, So he bought it all and then 530 00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:19.360 he destroyed it all. In nineteen ninety four, Lionel released a book, 531 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:24.039 A Father's Story, and he donated a portion of the earnings to the families 532 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:32.280 of the victims. Two families of the victims sued Lionel for using their names 533 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:37.400 without permission. Then the family of Stephen Hicks sued Lionel for wrongful death. 534 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:45.239 Did they win? I actually don't know if they want or not. I 535 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.400 didn't. All I know is that they sued. They that they sued him. 536 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:53.360 I'm not like obviously, like Jeffrey Dahmer is absolutely a fucking monstrous asshole, 537 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:59.599 But Lionel also lost a son, I know, not to the same 538 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:07.199 pascity. Yeah, but he also lost a son in this, and like 539 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.480 suing him isn't going to do anything. It's not to me. That's no, 540 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:14.920 it's not to me. That's not any good, Like you're just misplacing 541 00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:20.480 your anger. The suit alleged that the Dammer's family should have been aware that 542 00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:25.079 their son slash stepson was quote deviant and destined to cause injury and death to 543 00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:30.800 others. The family was seeking a fifty million dollars payout, and according to 544 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:36.079 the Daily Kent Stater, the courts ruled in the favor of the plaintiffs. 545 00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:40.679 The ament that was awarded to them was not disclosed. But now Lionel is 546 00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:46.599 considering suing Netflix. He is considering suing Netflix, but so are some of 547 00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:52.400 the family members. Yeah, I'm like, do it? Do it? 548 00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.800 Netflix are a massive corporation. They know what they should have done. They 549 00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:59.920 should have gone to you first. One. I see, this is the 550 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.159 difference, Right, Lionel wrote a book, and should he have wrote a 551 00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:07.519 book, probably not. He donated a portion, probably not as much as 552 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.760 he should have, But he don't donated a portion of his earnings from that 553 00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:15.480 book two families. I know he did, but he didn't get permission. 554 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.880 And I get that. It's like in my I'm kind of like like, 555 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:24.159 look, listen, he already donated some money, Like is that you know? 556 00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:28.679 But I get it. I do get it. He did it without 557 00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:37.320 their consent Netflix. He's just one single man like that just decided to write 558 00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:43.079 a book one day to help him probably fucking grieve through this horrible, monstrous 559 00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.079 thing that he experienced. And I know that the families also experienced a monstrous 560 00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:51.320 horrible thing to a way, like way more of an extent, but like 561 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.519 you know, he was like it was probably helping mechanism. Netflix are a 562 00:50:55.639 --> 00:51:04.519 giant ass corporation and have people to do this, like have people to go 563 00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:09.159 out and get consent for this shit, and they didn't even bother their fucking 564 00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:15.039 hole And you're like what when it came to Netflix? And why I was 565 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:19.880 kind of against watching the documentary was the reason. That was the reason why, 566 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:23.360 Like I had seen the families on Twitter and like one of them had 567 00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:28.079 posted like a photo of what she had been wearing in court that day, 568 00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:34.400 and then what they depicted her as in that moment scene in the documentary court 569 00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:44.599 scenes specifically where so on point like so on point that it was crazy. 570 00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:47.840 Yeah, no, Like they found an actress that looked so much like the 571 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:54.440 actual sister of the victim. She they got her eightfit like so correct, 572 00:51:54.639 --> 00:52:02.320 like fucking so so, like a fucking like costume designer went out and made 573 00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:07.400 that for one thousand percent sure because it was like tuity. And then they 574 00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:15.039 had her literally copy. It was like copy and paste, like what she 575 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:22.800 said and how she acted in that courtroom. Now it was like a big, 576 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:27.039 big moment in the trial when it happened. It was all over, 577 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:32.400 like all over media coverage when it happened, like Netflix and Ryan Murphy should 578 00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:39.679 have known better and should have done better, agreed. Jeffrey's mother, Joyce, 579 00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:46.280 died of cancer on November twenty seventh, two thousand and Jeffrey's brother changed 580 00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:57.159 his name. Yeah, his name was David Dahmer. He no longer exists. 581 00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.559 You can't find him. He did not want to ever or just he 582 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:04.639 didn't want to be associated with Jeffrey ever ever again. And he didn't want 583 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.760 to be associated with Lionel either. I don't think I get it. You 584 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.239 would like if that was my family, Yeah, I would want to cut 585 00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:16.280 off from everyone. To me the ending, it's like he very much did 586 00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:23.559 get his karma, but at the same breath, I feel like there was 587 00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:28.599 a lot of like misplaced anger, but then there was also a lot of 588 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:32.920 Lionel did shit that he shouldn't have done, but it kind of I just 589 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.719 feel like it was just a lot of there's a lot going on, and 590 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:43.639 for anybody involved in the aftermath of what Jeffrey did, there's no handbook no 591 00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:46.760 to dealing with any of this. You're not told what you should and shouldn't 592 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:51.920 do, and people everybody grieves so differently, so differently. So it's like, 593 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:57.719 I genuinely do hope that the families and I and Lionel is well. 594 00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:05.679 Sue Jeffrey, Sue Netflix, and Ryan Murphy. Yeah, I will say 595 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:10.719 though Evan Peters is like all kinds of fucked up from playing Jeffrey Dahmer. 596 00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:20.880 He said it. He said that it was very difficult and very exhausting becoming 597 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:30.199 Jeffrey Dahmer for that TV show and like living and breathing his life, and 598 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:32.719 like he was like I had to get like he's an actor. He was 599 00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:38.159 like I had to like get into like what was his mindset throughout all this 600 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:44.400 house? You know, like, m what brought him to these moments is 601 00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:46.639 what actors do when they're playing people, and he was like, it was 602 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:53.920 it was rough, it was fun. Yeah. Um, I like him 603 00:54:53.920 --> 00:55:00.079 as an actor. I will say I did find it good, like to 604 00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:07.559 watch and stuff. It's not it's not accurate um in parts obviously for entertainment 605 00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:15.920 purposes. M hmm. But um the documentary that the tapes are interesting. 606 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:21.280 It's it's interesting to hear him talk about what he done. Um. He 607 00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:27.440 talks about it so kind of like blase almost like yeah, like I just 608 00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:32.280 done it. Yeah, I just done it. It's just like that's what 609 00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:43.440 I don't those things didn't freak out. He was absolutely, But it's I 610 00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:46.840 always I don't know about you, but personally I always find it really interesting 611 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:52.840 listen listening to serial killers talk about their crimes, so like, yeah, 612 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:57.320 I just done it, like a matter of fact. Yeah, Like I'm 613 00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:01.320 always like, how do you just talk about that? Is if it's nothing. 614 00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:12.280 M hmm. I know we did it, guys, we survived Jeffrey 615 00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:17.039 Dahmer. It's not getting easier. Meganize a shit case and then I have 616 00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:24.960 another shit case. My case coming up is um one that I have been 617 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:30.960 working on for so fucking long, and it's like one of those cases that 618 00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:36.679 I could tell you all about right here, right now, and I could 619 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:39.880 give you the the outline, but when it comes to like but I want 620 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:49.119 to when it comes to the dates, and it's like overpowering. Yeah. 621 00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:53.159 And so because I knew this case, I found it really, like very 622 00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:58.719 difficult to actually sit down and write it. And I've had such writers block 623 00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:04.679 on it for like a year, but I'm kicking myself off the boat and 624 00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.639 i gotta do it. So I really hope you enjoyed the episode, and 625 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:14.239 I really hope you enjoyed the three parts. Three parts I am. I 626 00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:17.679 hope I wasn't too much of a blobbering mess because it's I've had this case 627 00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:22.360 done for a while, for a few months, but it's I don't know, 628 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:28.920 It's like it was one of those cases that I like, let consume 629 00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:32.559 consume me, and I don't know why I did, but I did. 630 00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:39.239 Yeah, I get you. Um, I did the same with Golden State, 631 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:45.119 like I let that consume me. And oh I remember with Golden State, 632 00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:46.760 like you were having dreams about it and if I like, let that 633 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:51.840 consume me so much? And I really should love if you really liked this 634 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:55.440 episode and you've already listened to part one and two, which I hope you've 635 00:57:55.440 --> 00:58:00.760 already listened to part one or two because otherwise spoiler. 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