Hi, welcome back to give us more me Hi, Megan, i' word
mentally unstable this week? Yeah? Yeah? Anybody else feel like, I
don't know, the world is literally fucking on fire everywhere you look? Or
is that just us? I'm like, what is happening to the internet?
Why is Hailey Bieber so threatened by Selena Gomez? Lest I don't even want
to talk about that, because, like, I feel like there's so much
more to this. I always feel like when it comes to celebrity beef,
that they'd be beef and just for just for our benefit and for our entertainment
and keep their names in our meds. And I'm like, maybe texting,
you know, they'd be having fun. Not my Selena. Okay, she's
a sweet, sweet angel. OH can't trust, but our makeup is supposed
to slay. I haven't tried it. No, I cannot tell a lie.
I cannot. But like, if she wanted to sponsor US, I
wouldn't say no Selena Rare beauty. Yeah, I mean, yes, Selena
Gomez will totally sponsor US. I mean it'd probably be easier to get her
to sponsor US than it was to get fucking Mattress Mick fucking Mattress. Mike,
Yeah, we don't watch you anymore. What the fuck Mattress? Mike
rude, very very rude, rude. So last week we talked about good
al Jeffrey Dahmer. This is part three. In the last two parts,
obviously, I talked about his childhood, growing up and all that in the
first part, and in the second part we dove right on into the fantastic,
wonderful not at all traumatizing murders. They were very traumatizing. You didn't
grasp that. That was sarcasm. Oh, heavy on the sarcasm. So
I guess we'll just jump right on into our fabulous, wonderful tail. It's
it's fabulous and wonderful because it's the last part. Yes, yes, I'm
very sorry to everybody if you've made it this far. I mean, I've
had a good time. I'm not gonna lie. I've had a good time.
But I hate that Jeffrey Dahmer. If I never hear his name again
for the rest of my whole entire life, I won't be Yeah, exactly.
On June thirtieth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey went to Chicago to celebrate
Pride at the bus stop, he met twenty year old Matt Turner. Matt
agreed to go to Milwaukee for Jeffrey to take modeling pictures of him. Jeffrey
drugged and dismembered Matt and put his head and some of his organs in the
freezer. So it's Matt's head that they find heads. Yeah, and you
can actually you can find those photos on the internet. Unfortunately, just be
warned. On July fourth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey met twenty three year
old Jeremiah Weinberger. Jeffrey took him back to his apartment. Jeffrey drugged Jeremiah
and drilled two holes into his skull. He then filled them with boiling water.
Jeremiah died two days later after this. Wait, sorry, the whole
time listening to that, I thought like this guy was dead. So repeat
that place. He drugged Jeremiah and then he drilled two holes into the top
of his head like he did with conorak, and then he poured boiling water
into the holes he drilled. Unfortunately, this didn't kill him, so Jeremiah
lived for two days after this. That poor guy, Jesus Christ, I
know. Yeah, that's first of all, I'm not gonna like shivers down
my back boiling water, like that's a form of fucking torture. Straight as
soon as he even looked at the drill and was like, you know what
I'm gonna do? You know what sounds like a smart idea? No,
Jeffrey, No, it doesn't. Jeffrey put Jeremiah's head in the freezer,
and he placed the body in a bleach solution in the bath. On July
fifteenth, nineteen ninety one, so like eleven days later, Jeffrey met twenty
four year old Oliver Lacy. Using his usual ruse, Oliver went back to
Jeffrey's apartment. Here, he drugged and murdered Oliver. Jeffrey called his work
to ask for a day off, which he was planning to use to dispose
of Oliver's body. Jeffrey would often do this, which is why he was
then fired. Immediately, Jeffrey put Oliver's body in the freezer, and on
July nineteenth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey invited twenty five year old Joseph Bradhoft
over to his apartment. Jeffrey then drugged and strangled Joseph to death. Jeffrey
just left Joseph's body on his bed with a sheet over him for two days.
By July twenty first, Jeffrey found Joseph's body covered in maggots on the
bed. Jeffrey put Joseph's head in the freezer and the body in the fifty
seven gallon barrel that stayed in the corner of his bedroom. So that had
like a solution of some kind in it, and he put the body in
there. First of all, it's July, like the heat. Yeah,
the smell, he just the smell, and he just left the body there.
He's just drinking himself to the point where he can't even he's not registering
it. No. On July twenty second, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey went
out and got drunk, speaking of alcoholism. He was wandering the town looking
for his next victim. He then met three men at a bar. Jeffrey
offered them one hundred dollars to go back to his apartment to let Jeffrey take
some pictures of them. Only one of them said yes. That was thirty
two year old Tracy Edwards. Tracy immediately felt uncomfortable when he entered Jeffrey's apartment.
He noted that there was an alarm system locks on the inside and the
outside of the door. He also noticed that despite the apartment looking tidy,
there was an unforgetting smell of rotten, of something rotten. There were several
boxes of hydrochloric acid, and The Exorcist three was playing in the background.
Oh, that makes everything so much worse. I've never seen the Exorcist three,
but that was apparently his favorite movie. There's a lot of Exorcist movies.
Are you not fucking shit in me right now? So let me check
this out. How did you got that there are different people that are exercised
exercise demons? Okay, let me see. They're nowhere near as good as
the first original Exorcist movie. I mean that movie was into Oh please,
this man has like yellow eyes. He does, no, Apparently Jeffrey Dahmer
owned the yellow contacts. No, okay, well, you know how it
makes sense for Jeffrey Dahmer because this movie is stupid and so is he.
I mean, no latter was told. Okay. Leaving on moving on,
Jeffrey got Tracy to look at the fish tank that was in the living room,
and while his back was turned, Jeffrey placed handcuffs around Tracy's wrist.
Tracy like he never got the handcuffs like fully on Tracy, because as soon
as he clicked the first arm, Tracy was like, what the fuck is
that? What are you doing? Yeah, So Tracy naturally questioned Jeffrey,
to which Jeffrey responded, quote, I won't hurt you if you let me
handcuff you and take some pictures. Jeffrey then pulled out a large knife.
Tracy did what Jeffrey like wanted and asked of him. He was just like
sure thing. He took off his shirt and they sat on the bed and
they watched The Exorcist three. Jeffrey then lay on Tracy to listen to his
heartbeat. Jeffrey was not concentrated on Tracy the way that he was with his
other victims, Like he was like, he's probably wasted, and like wasn't
as with it as he normally would be for his attacks. Yeah. While
Jeffrey was out in the kitchen getting himself another beer, Tracy was able to
loosen the handcuffs and he was actually able to escape the apartment. Jeffrey had
forgotten to lock the front door properly, so Tracy was just able to run
at the door and then run onto the street. Tracy kept running for like
miles for blocks until he came across until he came across two officers, Ralph
Muller and Robert Roth, at about eleven thirty pm. The first thing police
noticed was that Tracy was shirtless and had handcuffs around his wrists. Tracy asked
if they could unlock the handcuffs for him, but their key wasn't the correct
one. Tracy reluctantly agreed to bring the officers to Jeffrey's apartment so that they
could get the key of the handcuffs off him. When Jeffrey answered the door
to the officers, he admitted he did put the handcuffs on Tracy, but
he didn't really have an explanation as to why he'd done it, because clearly
Tracy was there. And Tracy was like, I didn't want this, Like
I didn't ask him to put the handcuffs on me, Like this isn't consensual,
this isn't like a gay thing. Yeah, and we weren't even like
having any sort of romantic thing. And Jeffrey was just like, yeah,
I put the handcuffs on him. Why you ask for funzies. Yeah pretty
much was just like, yeah, funzies like good terms. Jeffrey invited the
officers into his apartment. Stupidly. Rolph Muller began having a look around the
apartment when he saw the knife on the bedside locker. Officer Muller then came
across the polaroids that Jeffrey had taken of all of his victims. Now,
at first he didn't cop what they were until he kind of looked a bit
closer, and then he realized that, like, these weren't like staged photos
of people who like posed, they were photos of dead bodies. Yeah,
I'm sure that really took them by surprise, because you don't look at Jeffrey
Dammer and think, yeah, you kill people and dismember them and eat them,
like to look at them. You just don't think that he is like
a fucking serial killer. I know, like it's like, what does the
serial killer look like? One thousand percent he would be the least person you
would suspect he looks like that guy from him you know that movie The Vote
for Pedro. No, he does not look like Napoleon Dynamite, Leon Dynamite.
I fucking love that movie. Why would you say that? Do you
know the food? But is it? God? I always wondered for years
where the vote for Pedro t shirts came from, because back in the day,
if you were a scene or emo kid, you had a vote for
Pedro T shirt. And I didn't know what it's like, Oh my god,
fake, I am a fake? Oh do you want to hear something
so embarrassing? He always so. Last year when we were on our holidays
in Portugal, we were coming back through the airport and I had a Kiss
T shirt on and did someone ask you to name three songs? As I
walked up to, you know, passport control m he started playing a kiss
song on his phone. The guy in Passport control like he wasn't He was
super nice and he was like yeah and I was like yeah, and he
was like do you not know this song? And I was like no,
and then it was just really awkward till he like confirmed my passport and I
had to get out of there. And then Nile was like realize what he
was playing? And I was like a CDC because I thought I was wearing
an acc top Like it was oh god, yeah, that is embarrassing.
Mega, Oh my queed, I know, and I am like the biggest
gatekeeper. If I see somebody with a Paramore T shirt on or something,
I'm like, name three songs, what's Haleywood? Take off his name?
Take it off, give it to me, hand it over, Hand it
over right. Now. You may be wearing an X access, but I
don't care. I will use it as a headband for my heatless girls.
Okay, gil very much anyway. But basically that is that is like Jeffrey.
That's what Jeffrey is. And so he like originally, like when he
saw the photos, he kind of just thought like that it was like a
weird modeling thing. And then it wasn't until he kind of zoned in on
them properly that he was like, wait, no, these are of like
corpses. Officer Muller called in Officer Wrath in to show him the pope to
show him the pictures, stating that these were of real corpses. Jeffrey,
in that moment, decided, fuck, I need to flee the scene because
they found my fucking my pictures. It wouldn't have been as soon as they
walked in and decided to go into your bedroom. No all right, no,
no, so he decided to try and flee. When he overheard one
of the officers say cuff him, he was like, ah, fucking shit.
The two officers had to rest old Jeffrey to the ground to get the
handcuffs on him, but they did. Officer Roth kept Jeffrey on the ground
while Officer Muller investigated the rest of the apartment. Officer Muller found the severed
head in the fridge. Jeffrey looked up at the two officers and said,
quote, for what I did, I should be dead. Oh my god,
crimea river, Jeffrey. It's like a bro, honey, pal listen
right, just listen. You're not wrong, but I'm not buying it.
You're just saying that. So they'll be like, oh no, I don't
see that pearl. So we're just gonna take a quick ad break in my
back. We're back from the head. Did you enjoy it? Did you
listen to it? Don't lie? Did you skip the ad? Was it
something fun? We know you skipped it? Okay, I skip it.
Fine. So police then arrived at Jeffrey's apartment to start a proper investigation.
They found a total of seven skulls, two human hearts, a portion of
arm muscle, an entire torso, a bag of organs, two entire skeletons,
a pair of severed hands, two severed penises, a mummified scalp,
dismembered torsos in the fifty seven gallon drum, and seventy four polaroids of all
of Jeffrey's victims. That's so sick, But it also begs the question,
like, where the fuck was he keeping all of this stuff? Begs to
question how no one thought like he lived in an apartment building. How did
nobody And I know people questioned the smell, all right, but nobody investigated
it. And I mean, I'm sure they thought it was like sewage or
something like that. Oh, he like came up with like different stories and
stuff, But like, how did nobody hear anything? I mean anything?
Yeah, that's another thing. It could be that they genuinely didn't hear,
or that they were kind of gotten to a point where they were used to
hearing other noises. Maybe the walls were always thin, so like, if
he's paying the excesses three, I'm sure they're hearing terrible dialogue throughout anyway,
So I was screaming, probably you know, it's just a part of the
movie at this stage. It naturally didn't take long for the media and the
public to start gathering outside of the apartment block, because people love to watch
a car crash. Yep. Jeffrey was taken down to the police department and
was questioned by Detective Kennedy, Patrick Kennedy and Dennis Murphy. Jeffrey wave Dennis
Murphy. The two Patrick Kennedy and Dennis Murphy sound like the two biggest Irish
heads I have ever heard. Jeffrey waived his right to have a lawyer present.
During the many interviews that took place, Jeffrey stated that he wanted to
confess to the crimes of quote this horror and it only makes sense I do
everything to put an end to it. Oh suck my fucking balls, Jeffrey.
On July twenty fifth, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey was charged with four
counts of first degree murder, and then by August he was charged with a
further eleven counts. Jeffrey was also charged by the authorities in Ohio for the
murder of Stephen Hicks. Oh that's good, It is good. Jeffrey was
not charged for the murder of Stephen Toomey, as the district attorney was only
bringing charges where murder could be proven beyond reasonable doubt. And they never found
any inkling of Steven's body. That's so so sad, It is so sad.
But all they had to go on was Jeffrey's version of events, was
Jeffrey's story, and like, I know, like he was forthcoming with evidence
and stuff like that, but at the same time he was a serial killer,
Like how much could you trust his story? Yeah? Very true.
The crime is like like the family and that are like, you know,
like Jeffrey Dahmer killed. Yeah, it's him, it's attributed to him,
but there's just no evidence. So unfortunately, the district attorney was like no,
because like that, one case like that, one victim could just completely
destroy our trial. And I guess it was just more important to get him,
which I think kind of is it's almost more important. Well, if
he's confessing and he's confessed to this murder, what is he saying in court?
He's obviously not going but not guilty. He goes in sanny does he
Yeah, he goes with insanity. Oh okay, okay, okay. So
it was a case of like, no, we much prefer to just nab
him behind bars and then be like you did this, I get it,
like which I understand. I know it's probably slightly upsetting for the family at
the time because it was probably like, put what about our boy? Yeah,
I mean you still want justice for your your family member, your son,
your brother. You wanted his name to be to be said. On
January thirteenth, nineteen ninety two, Jeffrey pleaded guilty but insane to fifteen pounds
of murder. Jeffrey's trial started on January thirtieth, nineteen ninety two. The
trial was to prove whether Geffrey was legally sane and aware of his actions at
the time of his murders. The prosecution argued that any disorders Jeffrey may have
suffered from did not stop him from appreciating the crimes he committed. The defense
tried to argue that Jeffrey was driven by obsession and was unable to stop himself
due to the mental illnesses that he had been suffering with undiagnosed Fred Berlin,
an expert psychiatrist. Psychiatrist, testified that Jeffrey was unable to control his behavior
at the time of the crimes due to paraphilia. Another psychiatrist, Judith Becker,
diagnosed Jeffrey with necrophilia. Carl Vall Storm or wall Storm I'm not Ture
diagnosed Jeffrey with borderline personality disorder, schizotypal personality disorder, alcohol dependence, and
psychotic disorders. On February eighth, nineteen ninety two, Fred Fustall testified for
the prosecution, and he claimed that at the time of the murders, Jeffrey
had no mental illnesses. He said that Jeffrey was calculated and cunning and was
able to tell from right and wrong. Park Deets, a forensic psychiatrist,
testified that Jeffrey quote went to great lengths to be alone with his victims and
to have no witnesses. He claimed that quote, if he had an impulse
to kill or a compulsion to kill, he wouldn't have to drink alcohol to
overcome it. He only has to drink alcohol to overcome it because he is
inhibited against killing. He done the crime. Don't come at me with your
fancy words. So that's what this guy is saying that if Jeffrey did have
these compulsions, that the other psychiatrists and doctors were claiming, then why does
he need to drink to help him ease the like, to help ease the
guilt of what he's done. Like, he wouldn't need to drink. He
wouldn't be so he wouldn't be so dependent on alcohol to help commit these crimes
and to help forget about these crimes. If it was a compulsion, or
if it was like a mental illness, he wouldn't need that. He'd just
go off and he'd do it, and then he'd come back, and then
he'd wake up the next morning and he more than likely would have a vague
memory of doing it. I see, all right, I get it.
I just find it funny as well. Have he has literally all of the
philias. Yeah, and then he's like, DPD DP Do you mean that's
a delivery service name? That's the fucking like ups in art like my brain,
I swear to God, my brain. H On February fourteenth, nineteen
ninety two, both sides gave their closing arguments. The jury deliberated for five
hours before deciding that Jeffrey was guilty and was saying. The court then heard
impact statements from the families of Jeffrey's victims. Jeffrey then wrote out on an
apology quote, your honor, it is now over. This has never been
a case of trying to get free. I didn't ever want freedom. Frankly,
I wanted death for myself. This was a case to tell the world
that I did what I did, but not for reasons of hate. I
hated no one. I knew I was sick or evil or both. Now
I believe I was sick. The doctors have told me about my sickness,
and now I have some peace. I know how much harm I've caused.
Thank God, there will be no more harm I can do. I believe
that only the Lord Jesus Christ can save me from my sins. I know
my time in prison will be terrible, but I deserve what I get because
of what I've done. Thank you, your honor, and I am prepared
for your sentence, which I ask for no consideration. Was he trying to
do like reverse psychology? Probably fucking was like, no, no, judge,
no give me more years. Go on, I deserve I'm such a
bad person. Yeah, literally, And he's hoping the judge is gonna be
like, oh, oh, now I feel oh, you know, he's
learned his lesson. You're just going home now. I will say that that
is partly because his dad wrote a letter when he was arrested for um touching
up little kids like a fucking freak that he is. That's another one of
its philias. He's a pedophilia. Oh it's not pedophilia. He's a pedophile,
but he's a pedophilia. His dad wrote a letter being like, prison
isn't going to help him, like I can help him and help It worked,
and so I think Jeffrey thought this letter was going to like work.
But hunbun, you murder. You're on fifteen counts of murder. Yeah.
Sure, And I love the way he brings and obviously yeah, this is
in no way shape form aimed at any religious groups. I myself, I'm
a Catholic, but he's like the Lord Jesus Christ can only save me from
mass scenes. Where was Jesus when you needed a most Jeffrey, Jeffrey,
you wouldn't go to church with your fucking grandmother, like, but now all
of a sudden, you need help and you're reaching it. Jesus Lord,
Please, Okay, I didn't mean to murder all those men you know,
an accident. I think clipped and fell, and next thing you know,
I drugged them and murdered them and dismembered them and then fried up their fucking
flesh and edit. But that was all because I just tripped and fell.
You know how it goes Jesus, right, I mean, you get it.
You're you're a guy. Right, I've been there. Yeah, you've
been there. But you wanted to do that to Judas. Huh. If
I was a round back then, Jesus, that would have done that for
you. Jeffrey was sentenced to fifteen consecutive life terms, which is a total
of nine hundred and fifty seven years. Ah, that's nothing but a drop
in the ocean. I mean a bit light there, weren't you weren't Judge?
I mean he deserved every second of it and more. There is no
death penalty there at this time in present. It's the death penalty was gone,
so he could only serve light sentences. Yeah, okay, which you
know yeah yep. Lionel requested one final meeting with his son before he was
sent to prison, and the judge granted the meeting of ten minutes in private.
His dad was like, can I just please like seeing my son just
before, like just me and him before he goes off to prison. Like
I have so many fucking questions and like things that I need to say to
him. And the judge was like, you know what, yeah, you
can have ten minutes alone. Just I think it was well in the TV
program it's him, the wife and Jeffrey, so I don't like, but
basically they got ten minutes alone together, like without a guard or a lawyer
or anything present. And I do like in the aspects of Linel, like
he knew his son had problems, and he tried in his head like all
he could think of, like he helped him when it came when it came
to like sentences and being arrested in stuff, and he tried to get him
help with his drinking, and he sent him to his grandmother's house to try
and see if that would help him, and helped him get into college and
help him get into the navy. And it was just a bit like how
did this happen? And I'd say it was like the shortest but longest ten
minutes of his life at the same time. But it's also astounding to me
because I wonder how many other people would have asked for this. How many
times has this been granted? Or was this just special case because it's Jeffrey
Dahmer and it's his dad, and it's making a thing up in the news,
And no, I've kind of feel for this kid because he's had so
many of these diagnoses and how many of the people that go in on similar
charges or even minor like love charges and stuff that don't get as oh one
thousand percent. Like, I'm sure it was very much influenced by the media
presence and his diagnosis. And I mean, yeah, I just I mean,
it's a nice thing to do. I'm not against doing it, but
like, if you've got to do it for one, yeah, for non
violent criminals, I feel like, you know, the minor drug charge,
you shouldn't even be in prison. Nobody should be in prison for cannabis or
marijuana. Okay, both that. I'm just saying my piece. That's it,
that's done, But yeah, you could be on so much worse of
a drug li Tuly. Jeffrey was then sent to Columbia Correctional Institution in Portage.
Then, on May one, nineteen ninety two, Jeffrey was found guilty
of the murder of Stephen Hicks, and he was given his sixteenth life sentence.
The first year of Jeffrey's sentence was spent in solitary due to concerns about
his safety because we all know what happens to prisoners who attack and kill and
rape younger boys. So younger people like teenagers and underage and it's like a
known thing and so look, it's like annoying. But at the same time,
it's not up to us who gets to die, do you know what
I mean? And yeah, you can't. We can't just put him in
there with everybody because they're all just going to fucking kill this guy. Yeah,
it's like, yeah, but nobody, it's not up to anybody to
kill him, do you know, Like we don't have a death sentence in
this state, like, so he doesn't get murdered. This part is sickening.
Jeffrey soon began receiving fan mail, with some people even sending him money.
It's the same. It's called I think hyperstephilia. Someone also created like
a comic about him, and they like would send it to him. Oh
brilliant, that's what you should do. Yeah, yep. After a year
in solitary. He was released to a less secure unit, and he was
given two hours of daily work cleaning the toilet block. Jeffrey became a born
again Christian, and on May tenth, nineteen ninety four, Jeffrey was baptized.
This is the same day that John Wayne Gacy was executed. That's really
interesting. You know what else I find super interesting about this whole case.
It's Jeffrey is born in May, and so many of his crimes take place
in May, and then he gets christened again in May. A lot happens
in May, and it's like an omen for him or something. M very
very weird. So it's an interesting tidbit that he is baptized the same day
that John Wayne Gacy is executed, because I do and I don't see the
similarities, but Jeffrey was talked about as if he was trying to be John
Wayne Gacy, and John Wayne Gacy was like, who the fuck is this
kid trying to be me? Scarlet for all of them? Yeah, like
Jeffrey, Like John Wayne Gacy was like, I don't know who the fuck
Jeffrey Dahmer is like, no, Like what, I'm the villain. I'm
the villain. Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got. I'm still
Gazy Gacy on the block, okay on the block, And they weren't even
in the same state, so I don't know why he was concerned. Well,
Dahmer has a fucking comic about him. What does Gasy have? Pogo
his own plan. He used to paint his own pictures embarrassing, embarrassing.
Nobody wants that. On July third, nineteen ninety four, another on another
inmate Osvaldo Valdo Dorothy not Dorothy Dorothy, okay in Casey, just in Casey
were like me, why are you saying it like that? He tried to
kill Jeffrey by cutting his throat with a razor. However, it was only
a superficial wound and Jeffrey was fine. It's just a flesh wound. So
it's rumored that Jeffrey would turn his mashed potatoes into the shape of people,
and he like so, you know, the way back in, way back
in the first episode, I talked about how he used to do a damer
for all of his high school friends and they all loved it because they were
all fucking fourteen. While he basically was doing that in prison, but this
is prison, so it didn't go down well. Like he becomes a born
again Christian and all of this jazz. But it's reported that he used to
like make jokes about his crimes and stuff, and like he'd turn his mashed
potatoes like he'd mold them into the shape of like people and then be like
I'm eating like so and so or whatever, and like it really like got
on a lot of inmates nerves because they were like, you fucking killed like
young boys. Yeah, jokes about it, yeah, And then he'd like
go on and he'd do like a TV interview and he'd be real like I
just don't know what's wrong with me, and you know so many things wrong
with you, Jeffrey. So like I pissed a lot of inmates off because
he'd be in the prison like making jokes, and then he'd go out and
he'd do an interview and he'd be all like, whoe with me? It's
like, Jeffrey Hunt, you're feeling nobody. Yes to make his own entertainment
now because he's in prison where they don't have the Exorcist three, He's requested
in a lot of times. It keeps getting denied, I wonder why.
On the morning of November twenty eighth, nineteen ninety four, Jeffrey was assigned
his work detail along with two fellow inmates, Jesse Anderson and Christopher Scarver.
They were to clean the Jim showers and they were left unsupervised for approximately twenty
minutes. At eight ten am, Jeffrey was found on the floor, badly
beaten with extreme head trauma. Christopher's Scaver had beaten Jeffrey with a metal bar
that he had also murdered Jesse Anderson with. Christopher told police that he had
attacked Jeffrey first and then he went in and killed Jesse. He then walked
back to his cell and he waited for officers to show up. He said
that quote, God told me to do it. Jeffrey Dahmer and Jesse Anderson
are dead. What was Do we know Jesse Anderson's crime? Why did he
decide to kill him too? I don't fully know why he decided to also
kill Jesse Anderson. In nineteen ninety two, Jesse Anderson killed his wife by
stabbing her in the face and head five times. He then stabbed himself in
the chest, but he survived four times. But he survived. His wife
went into a coma but tragically died two days later. Oh and then he
blamed two black men of course, Oh yep, and Christopher Scaber was black.
So so it's theorized that they purposely left Christopher in there with Jeffrey and
Jesse because they wanted Jeffrey and Jesse dead. He's not totally out of the
realm. No, Jeffrey died an hour after arriving at the hospital, so
he actually didn't die upon impact, and he was killed with a bear with
the jim bar, which if you remember Stephen Hicks, Oh my, I
am a firm believer in that karma comes back around. Oh big time.
What goes around goes around comes all the way. We're singing so much.
Well, we didn't have music our in the beginning, so no, ironically,
just Timber released that song. But it's actually reported that he's the one
that cheated on Britney Spears. She cheated on him. No, he said,
the narrative came out that she cheated on him, and he just let
the narrative go. He was just like, yeah, fuck it, yeah,
let that narrative be the one. And he had told everybody that he
had taken her virginity as well. Yep. He was like, that's like
been one of the biggest regrets that I don't let that narrative carry on when
I so easily could of, like, and he was like knife fed into
it. Like he released the music video for crimea River. Oh and it
is Britney Spears in that. Yeah, like he basically yeah. He was
like, I, like, my manager and my team basically like, is
shitty what he'd done. But he was like, I take full responsibility.
But he was like I let them all just let talk me into doing it.
And I just was like, yeah, fuck it, like career and
no, where's your career, mister Timberlake, where is it? Because I
can't remember the last time you released a good song. He gives me like
Gary Barlow vibes now literally and it's like, um, nobody wants to be
Gary Barlow. Thank you for not even gar Gary Barlow is not that unattractive,
but he's not, you know, he isn't unattractive, but it's the
way he goes on. It's he goes on like Robbie Williams, but he's
yeah, and it's like no, but you're not Robbie Williams. But no,
but I also hate Robbie Williams. You know. It's I like,
don't like the members of Take That alone. Oh wait, were they in
that band together? Yeah? Yeah, that Robbie Williams and Gary Barlow from
Take That to Guess Megan? Oh, you know, there's only like two
years? Is there two years between us? I'm twenty six this year,
so there's like two and a bit years, like two and a half years
between us. That's all. That's not that much. Okay, Well,
when did fucking Take That disband? Megan? They disbanded and then got back
together without Robbie Williams. It was the whole imagine have a little patious Oh
oh no, you know what, No, teenagers were left distraught in nineteen
ninety five when Robbie Williams famously quit Take That. So he quit you know
you left, you don't get Yeah? But then william but then yeah yeah
no. And then they came back, and like they came back in like
twenty ten or something. I feel like I remember them coming back. I
feel like I remember their at their album when they came back, they sang
the song for Stardust and it's like one of my all time favorite movies.
If you tell me you hadn't some Stardust, I don't know, I don't.
I don't know what you're talking about. You live this guy? Oh
I know? Yeah, Okay, I know the song, but I don't
know the movie. Yeah, you and me, we can right on a
start. If you stay with me, Ga, we can rue god o
sorry to everybody's ear drums. No, that's like Sunday morning cleaning music that
you wake up and your mom is playing that, or The Beautiful South or
Shania Twain. You're like, oh, I know, I'm gonna be cleaning
windows today. That's like me though, like and maybe twenty eight but partial
to a bit oft. Take that Abba oh abba abba. You can get
down and dirty with Yeah, my god. You know who I was listening
to the other day and I didn't realize I knew so much of his music?
Tom Jones, What's new? Pussy Cat Whoa? There's that, There's
sex bomb, there was She's a Lady Whoa? And then there was another
one third Tom Jones three you Oh, I'm sorry, sorry, sir.
Tom Jones. Well does go for a quick eyebreak and then we'll continue with
the Jeffrey Tommers. Yeah, so sorry, Okay, see you in a
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singing that. No stop, because if I listen back to this recording,
we're both singing at the same time. I will die. That will be
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Jones ing that was that was good. I'm Tom Jones and Tom Jones and
here, brother, you got something on you. You got a step bomb
on you got a sex bomb in the other So he Jeffrey didn't actually die
straight away. He died after an hour after he arrived at the hospital,
so like they tried to save him but were very unsuccessful. Jeffrey's parents fought
over whether Jeffrey's brain should be donated to science or not. It was Jeffrey's
mother that wanted to donate the brain to science, but Lionel disagreed, as
Jeffrey wanted to be cremated. It was in his will okay fair. In
September nineteen ninety five, Jeffrey was cremated and the ashes were split between his
parents and Jeffrey's parents, Lionel and Joyce, actually went to trial over what
to do with his brain. Eventually, Lionel won the court case and Jeffrey's
brain was then cremated in December nineteen nineteen ninety five. The Oxford apartments were
demolished in November nineteen ninety two, and the site is still currently just a
vacant lot. People fought to turn it into a memorial park for the victims,
but in the what are they in America? It's like a county council
over here kind of kind of yeah, like the town government, city,
city council, like they have mayors and ship Yeah, yes, they're like
city council. They didn't really they didn't want to because they didn't want to
draw attention to the area because it wasn't already a per area, like it
wasn't a good area to begin with, and then they were like, we
don't want to highlight the fact that then murders also happened here. You don't
have to make it like you could put it a beautiful park there and then
have a plaque there for them. They literally but governments, you know,
they're assaults. Jeffrey's belongings were awarded to the victims families. They were to
be auctioned off, and the money was then to be split between the families.
Joseph Zilber, a local real estate developer, bought everything for four hundred
and seven ties in two hundred and twenty five dollars and then destroyed everything as
he felt that the families had been through enough without people trying to buy Jeffrey
dah memorabilia. Did they get money from that, yeah, So he bought
it all for the four hundred and seven ties in two hundred and twenty five
dollars. Oh, yes, and then that was divided between all the families.
My mats was not mathing. He basically was like, these family have
been through enough without random ass people trying to buy memorabilia of Jeffrey Dahmer,
like without trying to be like I own Jeffrey Dahmer's fucking front door or you
know, like yeah. He was like, what, like people don't need
that, Like why would like no, So he bought it all and then
he destroyed it all. In nineteen ninety four, Lionel released a book,
A Father's Story, and he donated a portion of the earnings to the families
of the victims. Two families of the victims sued Lionel for using their names
without permission. Then the family of Stephen Hicks sued Lionel for wrongful death.
Did they win? I actually don't know if they want or not. I
didn't. All I know is that they sued. They that they sued him.
I'm not like obviously, like Jeffrey Dahmer is absolutely a fucking monstrous asshole,
But Lionel also lost a son, I know, not to the same
pascity. Yeah, but he also lost a son in this, and like
suing him isn't going to do anything. It's not to me. That's no,
it's not to me. That's not any good, Like you're just misplacing
your anger. The suit alleged that the Dammer's family should have been aware that
their son slash stepson was quote deviant and destined to cause injury and death to
others. The family was seeking a fifty million dollars payout, and according to
the Daily Kent Stater, the courts ruled in the favor of the plaintiffs.
The ament that was awarded to them was not disclosed. But now Lionel is
considering suing Netflix. He is considering suing Netflix, but so are some of
the family members. Yeah, I'm like, do it? Do it?
Netflix are a massive corporation. They know what they should have done. They
should have gone to you first. One. I see, this is the
difference, Right, Lionel wrote a book, and should he have wrote a
book, probably not. He donated a portion, probably not as much as
he should have, But he don't donated a portion of his earnings from that
book two families. I know he did, but he didn't get permission.
And I get that. It's like in my I'm kind of like like,
look, listen, he already donated some money, Like is that you know?
But I get it. I do get it. He did it without
their consent Netflix. He's just one single man like that just decided to write
a book one day to help him probably fucking grieve through this horrible, monstrous
thing that he experienced. And I know that the families also experienced a monstrous
horrible thing to a way, like way more of an extent, but like
you know, he was like it was probably helping mechanism. Netflix are a
giant ass corporation and have people to do this, like have people to go
out and get consent for this shit, and they didn't even bother their fucking
hole And you're like what when it came to Netflix? And why I was
kind of against watching the documentary was the reason. That was the reason why,
Like I had seen the families on Twitter and like one of them had
posted like a photo of what she had been wearing in court that day,
and then what they depicted her as in that moment scene in the documentary court
scenes specifically where so on point like so on point that it was crazy.
Yeah, no, Like they found an actress that looked so much like the
actual sister of the victim. She they got her eightfit like so correct,
like fucking so so, like a fucking like costume designer went out and made
that for one thousand percent sure because it was like tuity. And then they
had her literally copy. It was like copy and paste, like what she
said and how she acted in that courtroom. Now it was like a big,
big moment in the trial when it happened. It was all over,
like all over media coverage when it happened, like Netflix and Ryan Murphy should
have known better and should have done better, agreed. Jeffrey's mother, Joyce,
died of cancer on November twenty seventh, two thousand and Jeffrey's brother changed
his name. Yeah, his name was David Dahmer. He no longer exists.
You can't find him. He did not want to ever or just he
didn't want to be associated with Jeffrey ever ever again. And he didn't want
to be associated with Lionel either. I don't think I get it. You
would like if that was my family, Yeah, I would want to cut
off from everyone. To me the ending, it's like he very much did
get his karma, but at the same breath, I feel like there was
a lot of like misplaced anger, but then there was also a lot of
Lionel did shit that he shouldn't have done, but it kind of I just
feel like it was just a lot of there's a lot going on, and
for anybody involved in the aftermath of what Jeffrey did, there's no handbook no
to dealing with any of this. You're not told what you should and shouldn't
do, and people everybody grieves so differently, so differently. So it's like,
I genuinely do hope that the families and I and Lionel is well.
Sue Jeffrey, Sue Netflix, and Ryan Murphy. Yeah, I will say
though Evan Peters is like all kinds of fucked up from playing Jeffrey Dahmer.
He said it. He said that it was very difficult and very exhausting becoming
Jeffrey Dahmer for that TV show and like living and breathing his life, and
like he was like I had to get like he's an actor. He was
like I had to like get into like what was his mindset throughout all this
house? You know, like, m what brought him to these moments is
what actors do when they're playing people, and he was like, it was
it was rough, it was fun. Yeah. Um, I like him
as an actor. I will say I did find it good, like to
watch and stuff. It's not it's not accurate um in parts obviously for entertainment
purposes. M hmm. But um the documentary that the tapes are interesting.
It's it's interesting to hear him talk about what he done. Um. He
talks about it so kind of like blase almost like yeah, like I just
done it. Yeah, I just done it. It's just like that's what
I don't those things didn't freak out. He was absolutely, But it's I
always I don't know about you, but personally I always find it really interesting
listen listening to serial killers talk about their crimes, so like, yeah,
I just done it, like a matter of fact. Yeah, Like I'm
always like, how do you just talk about that? Is if it's nothing.
M hmm. I know we did it, guys, we survived Jeffrey
Dahmer. It's not getting easier. Meganize a shit case and then I have
another shit case. My case coming up is um one that I have been
working on for so fucking long, and it's like one of those cases that
I could tell you all about right here, right now, and I could
give you the the outline, but when it comes to like but I want
to when it comes to the dates, and it's like overpowering. Yeah.
And so because I knew this case, I found it really, like very
difficult to actually sit down and write it. And I've had such writers block
on it for like a year, but I'm kicking myself off the boat and
i gotta do it. So I really hope you enjoyed the episode, and
I really hope you enjoyed the three parts. Three parts I am. I
hope I wasn't too much of a blobbering mess because it's I've had this case
done for a while, for a few months, but it's I don't know,
It's like it was one of those cases that I like, let consume
consume me, and I don't know why I did, but I did.
Yeah, I get you. Um, I did the same with Golden State,
like I let that consume me. And oh I remember with Golden State,
like you were having dreams about it and if I like, let that
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