WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:04.599 Are you dudes talking about anime? I guess it's important to hear what they 2 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:08.359 say. Webers aroount night and day. And now that you listen to the 3 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:20.039 rand Cafe, Hey, what's up? Everybody's Anama Here from Anime Apro. 4 00:00:20.199 --> 00:00:23.359 Welcome to another episode of the Rank of a Anime podcast. In this one, 5 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:28.559 we are starting off with a lengthy, detailed discussion of the Attack on 6 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:32.359 Time ending, Because the Attack of Time manga ended almost three years ago, 7 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:37.560 but now we finally finally have the anime ending as well. It came out 8 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:41.320 last weekend, and there's so much to talk about. I did a whole 9 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:45.039 video on my channel and Anime appro breaking down all the differences between the anime 10 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:50.920 and manga endings. There are some differences. Overall, it's pretty much the 11 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:55.159 same, however, I mean there's a couple big differences that I think actually 12 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:57.880 made it better. Yes, yes, so I would. I would say 13 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:02.039 that the anime fixed certain things ending. Obviously, the spirit of the ending 14 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:03.439 is still the same, and some people still don't like that, like the 15 00:01:03.519 --> 00:01:10.519 people don't like the overall just the ending overall, but among the animal ending 16 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:14.359 did definitely fix some issues with the manga ending, so I will talk about 17 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:18.439 that. We will talk about that in this podcast, and just giving us 18 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:22.680 kind of our general overview of things, all right, I think we should 19 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:26.400 start off general. I think overall the ending of AOT like that whole final 20 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.719 movie or whatever it was, and it's the general ending for me, I 21 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.799 give it like a seven out of ten for the animey overall. Really yeah, 22 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:40.000 for the ending, I give it like a seven, And for the 23 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:44.120 manga only ending, I give it like a six. So I think the 24 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:48.439 anime ending improved it a bit, but it's still not perfect by any means, 25 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:49.920 and I would give like the overall series like a nine point five. 26 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.719 Like I love Attack on Titan, and I love the overall themes in Attack 27 00:01:53.760 --> 00:02:00.120 on Titan, but some of the stuff in the ending wasn't quite satisfying for 28 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:04.680 me personally, And obviously that's a matter of taste. There are people who 29 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:07.479 are just they want certain types of endings and that that's what they find satisfying, 30 00:02:07.520 --> 00:02:10.919 and they don't find these types of ending satisfying. And there's other people 31 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:15.879 who love these types of endings. So it's not you know, I can't 32 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:20.159 say it's objectively this is what the ending is. But to me, it's 33 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.840 not bad but not phenomenal. It didn't, you know, blow me away 34 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:25.919 like say code Gias ending, But I think, yeah, I didn't. 35 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:29.080 I didn't watch your video, so for some reason, I thought you were 36 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:30.319 gonna be the AOT stand here, and I was gonna be like, yeah, 37 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.639 I think AOT as a whole is like an eight eight point like five 38 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:36.960 out of ten, and then I think the ending is a little bit worse. 39 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:38.759 I gave it a seven, but we're around the same for the ending. 40 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:40.840 Well, I think that as a whole it's like nine point five. 41 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:44.599 So I am a stand in that sense. But yeah, the ending I 42 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:51.319 wasn't a huge fan of. I think the issue with this ending is I 43 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:53.960 think there was a better ending out there, more satisfying one. But at 44 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:58.639 the same time, I can necessarily come up with an alternative that I feel 45 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.960 like is better. So it's not like I'm blaming you, say on, 46 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:05.800 I think, you know, he did what he thought was right, and 47 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.039 that's totally fine, and I'm grateful for the series. But I do think 48 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:12.520 the ending it didn't blow me away like like some endings that I will, 49 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:15.439 you know, remember forever. Even though A Talking with ten is such a 50 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:19.319 memorable series. So I think the reason for that is they went for a 51 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:22.479 very realistic ending, and because of that, I think it's well written. 52 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:23.520 But at the same time, we're not going to be as satisfied as we 53 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:29.080 could have been with something that was maybe a little bit more yeah, less 54 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:32.840 real less less realistic, more anime esque. Also, I do want to 55 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:38.280 say that because it felt like this was it was Aaron said, this was 56 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:40.280 the best outcome that he could he could make like happen, right. He 57 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:44.879 tried a bunch of different He tried to do a bunch of different other things, 58 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:46.599 like being like he was, he was able to see the past president 59 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:50.800 in the future. He tried other things, and this was the only outcome 60 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.240 that like, he kept on getting this outcome and this was the best one 61 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:57.479 apparently. So it felt like, oh, I can't even be mad at 62 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:00.240 like what they chose to do and how things happened, because this was the 63 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:02.439 best outcome. Apparently, Yes, they couldn't do better than this. There 64 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:06.680 are different schools of thought on Aaron's whole character arc at the end there. 65 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:12.800 One school of thought will say that he had complete control over everything what was 66 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:15.519 going on, though you know, he was completely in control and he chose 67 00:04:15.600 --> 00:04:20.279 exactly what happened. The other school of thought is that once he became one 68 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:26.639 with the Founding Titan power, his mind was basically messed up, as he 69 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:30.240 says, and he, you know, saw the past, present future as 70 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:35.279 one and he wasn't necessarily the one making the decision. He was kind of 71 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:42.439 going along with the decision that the Founder emer going along the path that was 72 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:49.040 already set. So because I don't personally think that Aaron could have you know, 73 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:51.439 you know, you know that scene that that was the very controversial where 74 00:04:51.480 --> 00:05:00.040 it's like Aaron sees the smiling Titan about to eat Berthold and then instead the 75 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.079 smyding Titan goes to his mother, and he says that he knew that the 76 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.800 spying Titan had to go to his mother because it wasn't Bertil's time to die. 77 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:12.079 And the implication is that Aaron himself made sure it happened. I don't 78 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:16.240 think I don't think that's what happened because Aaron I feel like he witnessed the 79 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:19.000 Founding Titan doing that in the past, because you know, past president future 80 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:21.399 is all the same, and he felt like he was part of it. 81 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:27.079 But I don't think he was actually part of that decision, because if Aaron 82 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.000 could just change the past. Let's say Aaron could be like he becomes to 83 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:32.720 Funding Titan, you know, after launching the rumbling and stuff, and he's 84 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:34.519 just like, you know, I'm gonna save my mom. You know what, 85 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:38.680 Maybe I'll just I'll make sure the walls are never built, or maybe 86 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:42.839 I'll just change the history a thousand years ago, like at that point, 87 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:46.560 if he can just do that anyway, it seems like it's too broken, 88 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:50.519 right, It's it's hard. It's hard to fully understand. I know, 89 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:55.639 I feel like he does have some type of control, but at the same 90 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.920 time his mind like like we can't relate to someone being able to see past 91 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.519 as in a future all at the same time while being through all the trauma 92 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:06.160 that Aaron vint. So I feel like he was maybe able to control some 93 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:11.800 things, Like he was clearly able to alter the past and present by like 94 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.519 whispering to his dad. Or that's different, right, that's very different, 95 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:24.319 because so he was able to send future memories to his father through the Attack 96 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:29.680 Titan. His father was a former Attack Titan user, and the Attack Titan's 97 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:34.199 power is to be able to see future memories in this so that he I 98 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.560 believe that Aaron made the decision to send those future memories. I believe that 99 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:43.160 Aaron made a decision to initiate the Rumbling, But my question only done that 100 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.000 with Aaron's with his father or could he have manipulated other characters as well, 101 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:51.560 only his father only former Attack Titan users could So by seeing the past and 102 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:55.600 present, he can't alter it if he can only really send memories to his 103 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.079 father, is what you're saying. Yes, so he can alter it in 104 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:02.000 the sense of his father decisions, but he can't in the in the situation 105 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:08.240 where the Smiling Titan is coming after Bertolt, he can't control the Smiling Titan 106 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.839 through future memories because the Smiling Titan was not the Attack Titan, you know. 107 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:15.439 So that's what I'm saying. So I maybe he just felt guilty and 108 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:19.600 that's why he said it. So I believe my interpretation is that he made 109 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:24.079 the decision leading up to the point that the Rumbling was launched. He made 110 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:28.879 the decision to do the to send the future memories back. He knew that 111 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:31.399 he needed to create the Rumbling and to destroy the outside world to save his 112 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.240 own people on parodies and his friends. I think he made that decision, 113 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:39.600 and he made the decision to initiate the Rumbling, But I do not believe 114 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:43.720 that after he initiated the Rumbling, he could have just changed anything in the 115 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:47.160 past, like the you know, like the smiling Titan stuff. I think 116 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:50.439 he was experiencing the past as if he was part of that decision because he 117 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:54.399 became one with the Paths, one with the Founder. But I don't think 118 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.319 he could have he as Aarond that we know the character, I don't think 119 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:01.720 he could have altered anything he wanted at that point. So the Founding Titan 120 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.439 obviously can control Titans and stuff like that in the present, But you're saying 121 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.120 he couldn't control the Titans in the past because it's already happened. Yes, 122 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:13.720 I'm saying that Aaron could not have done that, Like he could experience the 123 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:16.480 past as if it was all happening at the same time. But I don't 124 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:18.959 think he could have altered the past as the Founding Titan, because you gotta 125 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:24.920 recognize that even though Aaron initially is the Rumbling, the Founder Emir is still 126 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:31.959 there, so it's not like Aarin is the character is the only one controlling 127 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.480 everything. Emir is still there, the founder power Paths is still there, 128 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:43.480 and everything came down to Emir, the Founder deciding after seeing Mikasa be willing 129 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:48.600 to kill someone she truly loved, Emir decided that after two thousand years, 130 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.840 she can finally do what something that the person she loved would not be okay 131 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.600 with, and she stops being a slave to the will of King Fritz Fritz 132 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:03.120 the person she loved. So that is why I think that until until the 133 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:07.639 Titan, power disappears, because Mikasa does what she does and Emeir realizes that 134 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.919 she doesn't have to be a slave, I think until that point, the 135 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:15.799 Founder, Emir is still in control. Largely, it's not just Aaron suddenly 136 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.639 having all the power in the world and deciding to do this rather than something 137 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.200 else. I feel like they should have made it a little bit more clear, 138 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.639 because like he I feel like he said that he felt did he say 139 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:26.000 he felt guilty? I need to go back and rewatch this, honestly, 140 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.840 because when I upon my first read through, I thought he was able and 141 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:35.399 watch, I thought he was able to control the smiling Titan, and he's 142 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:37.559 like, I need things to continue, like I can't alter the past. 143 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.759 I need things to end up this way so that we end up with this 144 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:46.639 quote unquote like optimal outcome. I thought he could initially, but after like 145 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.240 thinking about it afterwards and talking with you, maybe he maybe he didn't actually 146 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:54.159 have but power to change the past. Yeah, I don't think because that 147 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:58.519 would have been so broken because like if it's if he can change the part 148 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.799 of the past the Founding Titan has been like the Titan power, and the 149 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.039 Founding Titan has been around for two thousand years, So that would imply that 150 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.519 not only could he have changed the past, you know with his mother, 151 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.600 which was the example we got, he could have changed something two thousand years 152 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:16.440 ago, like why not? So at that point, you know, it's 153 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.519 like where does it end? So that's true. We had a question, 154 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:22.840 Chata, what do you think? We're some issues with the ending. So 155 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:28.000 I didn't like Emir Fritz's motivations. Obviously, her motivation was just that she 156 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:33.960 fell in love with her own abuser, and she just did whatever he wanted, 157 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:37.440 even though he was terrible, abusive and all this stuff, and for 158 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:41.480 two thousand years she just slaved away basically doing whatever she thought was good for 159 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:46.799 the Fritz family legacy. I'm not saying that this is it happens in real 160 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:52.600 life where someone who's like a captive or someone who's been abused falls in love 161 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:58.080 with their abuser. Like it's a certain type of capture syndrome. I don't 162 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.960 know what the terminology is, I can't remember happens. But it also it 163 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.200 seems like from our perspective watching it, it seems so stupid for two thousand 164 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:11.679 fucking years after how poorly you were treated. It's like, yeah, yes, 165 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:15.840 Stockholm syllodromeyndrome. But the thing with that is, yes, it does 166 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:20.919 happen in real life, but that doesn't make it great writing because because things 167 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:26.200 that happen in real life are not necessarily the best writing in a fictional story. 168 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.639 So if you look at how well written certain characters are in Attack on 169 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:33.200 Titan, you know, whether it's Aaron, or whether it's Zeke or whether 170 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:37.159 it's you know, how many characters with great backstories and things like that. 171 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:41.639 I just think that Emir Fritz the founder could have had a lot more interesting 172 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:48.159 backstory and character than just she was a slave girl who was who got this 173 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:52.559 incredible power by accident and then she fell in love with her own abuser and 174 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:58.159 just mindlessly for two thousand years served the Fritz family. You know. Yeah, 175 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:00.759 I think one of the reasons I fell in love with Attack on Titan 176 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:05.399 was because of this mystery behind the world behind the Titans, and like all 177 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:07.440 the crazy plot twists and reveals and the overall premise. Like I've never been 178 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.039 a fan of a lot of the Attack on Titan characters. That's not why 179 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:15.440 I'm watching Attack on Titan. So when you find out that like all these 180 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:18.679 powers started because of some creature underground that has like no explanation, and you 181 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:24.879 find out that Yamir for two thousand years has just been like going along with 182 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.600 it, Like it just seems like it could have been so much more and 183 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.200 so much better written. Yeah, And also some people are saying Emir as 184 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.639 a child. You have to remember that she did start out as a slave 185 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.320 girl, but she became an adult and had three daughters, Like she was 186 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:46.240 an adult when she died, and you know, crossed over to the world 187 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.840 of the paths. So it's not like she was just like a child who 188 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:54.559 couldn't have said, you know, could have not made her own decisions. 189 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:56.879 She was at some point an adult. She could have done the right thing. 190 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.440 She had unlimited power. She could have said, no, fuck this, 191 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:05.360 I'm not going to take part in these genocides that King Fritz is telling 192 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:07.120 me to do because he depended on her and her power, and she was 193 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:11.320 an adult at one point, and yet she still continued to, you know, 194 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:16.279 do everything for him, kill countless people for him, protect him with 195 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.919 his life. And at some point you got to be like, even though 196 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.679 she is a victim, she also allowed herself to become a victimizer of others, 197 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:30.399 and that, to me, you know, says that she is not 198 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:35.200 a noble character. Yeah. I think they could have made her character a 199 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:37.960 lot more complex and well written. And same with the powers and how they 200 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.240 came to be. I think that's the flaw. But I do want to 201 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:43.399 talk about some things that I think the enemy approved upon, and one of 202 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:48.120 which is Armand's character and actually having a reaction. I remember reading the chapter 203 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:52.799 when it came out and being like, so Armand just got told that eighty 204 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.279 percent of the population got wiped out by Aaron, and he's like, yeah, 205 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.399 sounds about right. That's Hilbro, Like he had no reaction. Yeah, 206 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.639 and then in the anime he actually has a reaction, and I think 207 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:09.759 that's that improved the scene. I like the ending as well, where it 208 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.879 well, I feel like it's very realistic in a way. I think it's 209 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:20.039 well written to show that, like things constantly repeat itself. You see Paradise, 210 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:24.320 I guess, I don't know how long later, if it's hundreds of 211 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:26.840 years or thousands of years, I don't really know, but quite a bit 212 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.360 later you see that like a war ends up happening. They end up getting 213 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.399 wiped out. You see the like like the boy and the dog walk towards 214 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.440 the tree where Aaron's head was buried, just showing that humans continuously repeat themselves. 215 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:45.399 It's a never ending cycle, and even Aeron's optimal outcome could not prevent 216 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:48.440 humans from being humans. And like it even connects with the whole Zeke thing. 217 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:52.759 Humans are always trying to survive. They're always That's a beautiful scene, 218 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.200 by the way, But I think I think there are some things that the 219 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.600 anime did well, and I did like the ending in a lot of ways. 220 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.440 Yeah, I think the Armen and Aaron conversation in particular was done really 221 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:05.279 well by the anime because if you look go back to the mong and I 222 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:11.080 went to compare both. The anime is adds a lot, so it changes 223 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:13.799 things chronologically, and it also expands and adds a lot. So yeah, 224 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.679 in the manga, Aaron just early on in the conversation's like, oh, 225 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:18.679 yeah, bro, I'm gonna end up killing eighty percent of humanity, and 226 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:20.960 Army it's like, oh, well, that sucks, but I guess you 227 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.559 had to do it for us. Aaron. Meanwhile, so all of people 228 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:26.039 complain about that. It's like Army wouldn't just be okay with that. So 229 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:30.279 then in the anime, Aaron doesn't say that right away. First they have 230 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:33.080 their own conversation. They talk about Mika Sah and their feelings and all this 231 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.240 other stuff. And then later Aaron is like, bro, Armon, I'm 232 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:39.080 gonna end up killing eighty percent of humanity, and Arman actually gets mad, 233 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:41.159 he freaks out. He grabs Aaron but the collar. He's like, how 234 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.840 could you Man? And that's when Aaron is like, I tried all these 235 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:48.360 different scenarios and nothing could work. This was the only way I've known ever 236 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:52.759 since I got the Future Memories, before the rumney was even initiated that this 237 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:54.679 is what I would have to do and all this stuff, and then eventually 238 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:56.720 Armin is kind of like, well, then I guess if there's a hell, 239 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:02.000 we're both going there because we both contributed in our own way to the 240 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:07.039 idea of what's about to happen. Yeah, it's it's way better, it's 241 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:08.480 way more realistic, and it's way more natural. Like it's a more of 242 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:12.679 a natural conversation between two friends. Right, It's like, oh, he 243 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:17.360 has a reaction to it, but then after like an explanation, he understands 244 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:21.840 it's not just no reaction to eighty percent that people were being wiped out. 245 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.360 Yeah, and the part of the other Remember, Aaron was also pretending like 246 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.159 to be this like terrible person and like try to like you know, fighting 247 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.840 with Arman and telling Mikasa to move on and like whatever, doing all these 248 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:41.080 things to try to push them away. Right he was That wasn't his authentic 249 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:42.279 self. He was just doing what he thought he had to do to achieve 250 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:48.759 that outcome and to hopefully not get them to move on. Yeah. So 251 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:51.879 it's important to remember that even before the rumbling, So even before Zeke's soil 252 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:56.080 blood is used to activate the Rumbling. Aaron saw those future memories through the 253 00:16:56.120 --> 00:17:00.960 attack Titan's power, and he knew what the outcome would be, so he 254 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.599 decided that what he had to do was push away his friends like Mekas and 255 00:17:03.680 --> 00:17:07.319 Armin and be rude and torrible to them so that they wouldn't feel bad when 256 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.839 they eventually have to turn against him and become the heroes who destroyed Aaron and 257 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.880 save the world and then become ambassadors for peace and that type of stuff. 258 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:22.240 So Aaron deliberately pushed him away when he came to meek Us in the Paths 259 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:25.160 and created that vision of them at the cabin, kind of like an alternate 260 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:26.960 future of what would have happened if they decided not to fight and just kind 261 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:32.680 of like run away. He makes her promise that after he dies, because 262 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:36.160 he's gonna die because of the cursewy Mirror, or like when he's killed, 263 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:40.519 eventually he says, you know, forget the scar, forget about me, 264 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:44.720 go and be happy. But then people got so upset that in the private 265 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:47.680 conversation he's having with arm And he's like, well, if it was up 266 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:51.759 to me, I would have mekasall only be mine and not be with anyone 267 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:53.640 else and only care about me and all that type of stuff. It's like, 268 00:17:55.240 --> 00:18:00.319 yeah, he's saying as a you know, teenager who is he has 269 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.279 his own feelings and stuff like that. He's saying, if I had it 270 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:04.400 my way, if it could be different, I would want to be with 271 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:07.559 me kas I want I would want her to only want to be with me 272 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.200 and it'll be only mine. But I know that's not the case. So 273 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.880 that's why I told her not to do that. That's why I try to 274 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.720 push her away. That's why he tells Arman right after that never tell mecas 275 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:19.000 I said this. So he was just kind of he has conflicted emotions there. 276 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:22.000 So he's saying, on the one hand, like I would love for 277 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:23.119 her to be only mine, but on the other hand, I know it's 278 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:26.839 impossible. But people turn that into saying, oh, look at Aaron, 279 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:32.240 he's some kind of fucking insult bro's he's a fucking selfish simp. It's like, 280 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:34.240 dude, what are you talking about? Like why are people so stupid? 281 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:40.400 How do you not understand? It's it's weird because it's it's the same 282 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:42.559 thing. It's like it's a very human moment and I actually think it's good 283 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:47.319 writing to show a human moment from Aaron where it's like he doesn't want to 284 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:49.440 die and he would love to be with Mi Cassa and have a light and 285 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:53.319 nice life together. So while he's making this like all these ultimate decisions and 286 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:59.119 putting himself as the bad guy and literally committing a genocide, having a brief 287 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:03.440 moment with his friend where he's like vulnerable is human. So I think it's 288 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:04.480 good writing. But at the same time, when I see him do that, 289 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:10.039 I'm like I like him less. I don't know why, Like it's 290 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:12.720 just like, well, it just it feels like a very conflict with the 291 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.279 rest of his character. But at the same time, it's like people need 292 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.880 to understand he was he was putting on this fake facade when he was pushing 293 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:22.839 Armann and Makassa away. He wasn't. He was trying to be tough and 294 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:27.759 putting on like a tough exterior, but that wasn't. Like people see this 295 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:33.759 scene, they're like, oh, he's like unraveling and his development makes no 296 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:36.319 sense and it's conflicting with the way he was acting in the past. I'm 297 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:38.400 like, yeah, he was putting on like a fake persona in the past. 298 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:41.640 This is the vulnerable moment moment with his friend. So a lot of 299 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.160 good writing, but he's still like I don't know, I don't know how 300 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.519 to say it, but go ahead, go ahead. A lot of people 301 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:52.319 wanted Aaron's kind of turn to become this like emotionless badass who was willing to 302 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:55.720 do anything to win. They wanted that to be like his authentic self, 303 00:19:56.079 --> 00:20:00.599 which I mean, on the one hand, yeah, people love badass characters, 304 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:02.559 but on the other hand, it kind of doesn't make sense with the 305 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:06.000 rest of his character what we know about him previously, because we know before 306 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:08.599 to Rumbling, he's like he's upset because he knows what's gonna happen, and 307 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:12.839 he regrets. He sees those kids in Marlay, like those refugee kids, 308 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:15.960 and he's like upset because he's like, I'm gonna have to kill these kids 309 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.160 and shit, Like you know, he's not happy about what's gonna have to 310 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:22.160 happen. It's not like he's just like has always been. This guy's like, 311 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:25.920 you know, hey man, you gotta do what you gotta do, 312 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:27.880 no matter what it takes. You know, he hasn't He's he's not this 313 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:37.079 like Griffith figure. But yeah, so, I mean the badass part is 314 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:41.359 definitely cool, but it's just not all there is to it. And I 315 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:44.000 feel like that's with most people, Like you can be badass at times, 316 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:45.440 but that doesn't mean that the deep inside you don't have your own insecurities and 317 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:48.160 things that bug you. And you know, a lot of us show up 318 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:52.279 side of ourselves publicly, that it's not the whole story, like you know, 319 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:57.559 almost all of us absolutely, And I do kind of understand why people 320 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:00.640 would see that scene and be like, I don't like him as much now, 321 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:04.519 but I still think it's good writing. Like I feel like I have 322 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.359 a constant battle with myself where I'm like, I think that's good writing, 323 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.519 but I'm not happy with it. Yeah, Like it's not as relatable maybe 324 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:17.240 or as aspirational, because if you're like, maybe it's maybe it's too relatable. 325 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:18.640 Oh yeah, maybe it's too relatable. Yeah, in the sense that 326 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:22.640 you know, it's not like some badass character anymore. You can be like, 327 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:25.759 yo, this guy's the best. You kind of like, oh, 328 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:27.559 this guy's kind of conflicted, and then you know, sometimes he's a bitch. 329 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:30.640 Like something can be pathetic even as Arman said it right, So I 330 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:34.400 think, yeah, So I feel like isa IAmA, No matter what he 331 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:37.880 did, some people would have been upset, because some people are upset that 332 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:41.000 Aaron decided to do the rumbling at all, because they're like they had to 333 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:45.920 have been another way, while you know, the show made it pretty clear. 334 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:48.880 The series made it pretty clear that if he didn't do anything, they 335 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.640 would have just wiped the world, would have wiped out parodies from the face 336 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:55.680 of the earth, like so anyone, everyone he knew and loved would have 337 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:57.720 died. Now, other people say he should have just gone all the way, 338 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:00.359 He should have kill one hundred percent of hemanity, none of that. 339 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.200 You know now that you already decided to kill eighty percent, kill one hundred 340 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.799 percent and that's it. Now. Sure, maybe if he did that it 341 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.119 would have been different, but I doubt it because even if he killed one 342 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:14.920 hundred percent of humanity on the in the outside world, I feel like then 343 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:18.640 parodies people would start fighting each other eventually, so they would still be conflict. 344 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:19.680 Like for all we know, that conflict that happens at the end could 345 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:22.960 have been like a civil war. We don't know. So it's liked a 346 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:27.359 couple hundred years of peace. Right, he protected the people he cared about, 347 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:30.720 He somewhat achieved his goal. By the end of the day, humans 348 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:33.519 are humans and we're dooing to repeat ourselves. Yeah, because that's the thing. 349 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:37.119 Else there would have been a civil war eventually. Yeah, because that's 350 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:38.799 that's the point of the story, that human nature is like this like attack 351 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:44.519 on timean was never gonna end with like world peace forever. And it's debatable 352 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:48.680 that that if Aaron decided to kill or if he succeed in killing let's say 353 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:52.400 a hundred percent of the population away from the island, then the people on 354 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.559 the island would not have had a common enemy anymore. Yeah, and they 355 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:57.319 could have started fighting each other sooner, or you might have had like one 356 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:00.680 faction be like yo, no, there's this whole wide world out there, 357 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.680 let's go move out there, take all that land, and then they become 358 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:07.559 like a different empire that ends up fighting the people that remaining on the island 359 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:10.759 eventually. Right, So, because we're talking hundreds of years into the future, 360 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:12.920 so I think the point was always going to be that war is inevitable. 361 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:17.240 But at the same time, we also see that kid at the end 362 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:22.400 that survived and the dog, meaning that even the war is inevitable, humans 363 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:25.119 are resilient and they always somehow end up surviving. Because obviously, if that 364 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:27.400 kid survived and there's a community out there, the kid didn't survive on his 365 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:30.200 own, you know, his parents must have survived in grandparents and so on. 366 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:37.599 Do you think Erin is technically still alive? Yeah, they're gonna be, 367 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:40.119 like, I don't think. I don't know. I feel like if 368 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:41.720 this makes good money, they might try to make a season two with it, 369 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.400 because they could. They set it up in a way, but they 370 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:48.920 also have they tried to give us an ending just to show that things constantly 371 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.400 repeat themselves. Okay, so I actually do think that part of Erin is 372 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.240 still alive. And this is going to be controversial, but I did argue 373 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:59.960 that in the in the video, and I think the anime actually does more 374 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:06.359 to establish that than the manga did initially, because if you look at the 375 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:11.960 anime scene, the expanded scene with Armin and Aaron talking, at one point, 376 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:15.680 Aaron is saying kind of matter of factly, like I've seen this happen 377 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.200 in the future, So he's telling Armen this is exactly what's gonna happen. 378 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:21.799 He's like, I'm going to destroy eighty percent of humanity. You guys are 379 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:26.119 gonna stop me, this and that. And then he's like, and even 380 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:29.839 after that, conflict will not end. And he says it as a fact. 381 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:32.279 It's not like I don't think it will, because that's what I believe. 382 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:34.240 He says it as a fact. Now, what happens at the end, 383 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:38.359 Mikasa takes Oh that's interesting theory. It just took me a second to 384 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:41.519 click there. Go ahead. Yeah, So Mikasa takes Aaron's head. She 385 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:45.039 buries it under the tree where he used to nap as a kid. Now 386 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:51.599 that tree keeps growing after that happens, until hundreds of years later, it 387 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:56.880 turns into a gigantic tree that looks exactly like the tree that Emir Fritz went 388 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:00.440 into before she got the Titans' powers. What does this mean. It means 389 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:04.519 that that centipede creature that was at the heart of the founding Titan power managed 390 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:11.000 to multiply Aaron's head produced, so Aaron's remains produced another one. That creature 391 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:15.759 took over another tree, and now there can be another founding Titan power. 392 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.359 When the kid goes inside. Now, what I'm saying is, how did 393 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:23.599 Aaron know that hundreds of years later there was gonna be another conflict almost like 394 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:26.279 he saw it in the future. Should have He should have no knowledge of 395 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.519 anything past his death exactly. And you're saying, how does he know that 396 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:34.960 there will be another conflict? And he knows that because eventually, maybe because 397 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:37.839 he's potentially still alive and comes back in the future. You know what I'm 398 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:41.799 saying. Now, what I'm saying is memories. What I'm saying is that 399 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.000 kid that in the anime, it's made clear that the kid goes into the 400 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:49.480 tree, goes into the opening underneath the tree, he will develop, you 401 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:53.279 know, like like he means he will be developer. Yeah, so he 402 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:57.519 will develop another Titan power like he will become the new Founder. And Aaron 403 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:02.480 saw the future memories of that new Founding Titan, and that's how he knew 404 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:07.079 that that Founding Titan appears in a post upocalyptic world where everything was destroyed. 405 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:11.079 Anyway, that's so cool, Yeah, call, Let's say he shouldn't have 406 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:12.920 no memories or anything past his death, especially since all the Titans and the 407 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:17.160 Founding Titan has been like wiped out and there's no Titans left. But if 408 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:21.039 history repeats itself and the creature happens and the kid gets powers, he would 409 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.720 see the kid's memories even like a thousand years later. That's so interesting, 410 00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:26.960 and that sets them up for a season two, whether or not they do 411 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:29.440 it or not. Season two like a sequel, whether or not they do 412 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:33.960 it or not. Yeah, So the only way because you got to remember, 413 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:38.839 the Titan Power disappears from the world once Aaron dies and Emir decides that 414 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.640 she no longer needs to be a slave. So the only way for Aaron 415 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:47.519 to know about conflict in the future, which he says he does to Armin 416 00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:49.559 that there's going to be conflict in the future, even though there's one hundreds 417 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.039 of years of a piece before that. The only way for him to know 418 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:56.079 is if the Titan Power survive somehow, which is through his head, and 419 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:02.039 then another founder founding Titans is created, and then someone else becomes a founding 420 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:03.759 Titan, that kid that goes into the tree and then air and sees those 421 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:11.720 future memories from the distant future. Sorry, I was I was reading I 422 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.160 was reading chat there for a second. I want to address it, but 423 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.039 people are saying so many different things are all over the place. It's crazy. 424 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.119 This this has got the community going wild for sure. One beautiful scene 425 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:26.880 talking about survival and like history repeating itself, and that was between Zeke and 426 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.799 Arman. We kind of briefly talked about it, but Zeke was kind of 427 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:36.079 saying that humans are all the same. We all like constantly are just fighting 428 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:38.680 to survive and reproduce, right survival of the fittest. Let her, let 429 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:44.960 our genetics go on. We're biologically like configured in that way to act a 430 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:47.640 certain way. And he was like, it's almost easier if we just all 431 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:52.160 die out. But then you get like Armin having his memories of as a 432 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:53.680 kid and Zeke having his memories, and he's like, uh, you know 433 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:59.160 what, maybe there's the little things in between that isn't our biological nature that 434 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:00.880 we actually enjoy and life is worth living. I don't know, I thought 435 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.559 that was that was a cool scene. Yeah, it was funny. Zeke's 436 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:07.200 like, oh shit, I should have enjoyed little things like the nice weather. 437 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.880 Oh well, now I'm gonna get killed and then he gets fucking killed 438 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:19.039 by what's his name, Levi Levit. Yeah, So for in terms of 439 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:23.440 like the future founding Titan, the powers could be different because people are saying 440 00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:27.480 that Emir wanted a strong body that will never die. That's how the Titan 441 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.319 power was created in the first place. So yeah, the kid might want 442 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.920 different types of powers based on that kid's life. But obviously the kid had 443 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.519 a traumatic life too. He lives in a post apocalyptic society, so even 444 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.599 if it's another type of power, it's the same entity that's creating it. 445 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:47.359 So that's why Aaron would have memories of that future. And again this was 446 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.519 not in the monga. He doesn't in the manga say specifically to armin I. 447 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.559 Compared both, he doesn't say there's gonna be few conflict even after everything. 448 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:57.920 He doesn't say that specifically. Obviously you can say that he hypothesizes it, 449 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:00.160 but in the ennime it really sounds like he's saying it like a fact. 450 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:04.799 And also in the anime, at that very end, the kid and 451 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:11.880 the dog they're shown walking in to that cavern like they're actually shown walking into 452 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.240 it, very close to it under the tree, whereas in the anime, 453 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.000 the final panel shows the kid and the and the dog kind of like still 454 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:21.680 far away or like, you know, let's I don't know, ten meters 455 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.599 away from the tree, and you're left to think, is is the kid 456 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.640 going to go go in or is he just gonna like hang around and leave. 457 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.720 But in the anime they make it clear that the kid is going in, 458 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.440 which presumably means that the power is going to then now pass on to 459 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.759 him like he did on you Meror. Cause again, clearly the centipede creature 460 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.400 is there because that tree should not be like that, like that was that 461 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:47.160 is not a normal tree compared to all the other trees around that. It's 462 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.839 massive, it survives the war, all this other stuff, and it looks 463 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:56.279 exactly like the tree that Amear found. Yeah, people are saying that the 464 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.920 kid wouldn't have the same powers, and like you mentioned, I think we 465 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.359 don't know anything about the kid and what he's been through and what he and 466 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.000 what he would want. Yeah, and it doesn't matter what it is, 467 00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:10.240 right exactly, It doesn't really matter. Humans are also very similar and his 468 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.799 I'd imagine his people were wiped out, so he wants he would want some 469 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:17.119 type of power, very likely, Yeah, because you would assume that there 470 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:19.200 are people are struggling there like to survive in the post apocalyptic world, like 471 00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:23.759 maybe his power will be to create something more useful than just weapons. But 472 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:30.200 the idea, the point is that that centipede creature from Aaron's head still survives, 473 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:34.799 and that allows Aaron in the past to get memories of the future because 474 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:40.559 it's still alive. Honestly, I feel like I would have enjoyed this series 475 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.200 more if I had, Like it's been so long since I've read them long 476 00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.240 then so long since I watched the last season, Like it just my memories. 477 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:49.599 Like when I was watching it, I was trying to remember everyone's names. 478 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.720 I was trying to figure out what was going on. Like it's no 479 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.359 problem, it's not problem with the writing. It just it took a decade 480 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.839 for this series to complete. You know. Raf Raff says the centipede was 481 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:04.599 killed separately from Aaron, right, apparently off screen it was killed. Yeah, 482 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.599 but yeah, we didn't even see it really killed. The idea is 483 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.759 that Aaron said created a new one. So just like every other life form 484 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:18.440 that sent to being multiplied. Yeah, I was. I was just saying, 485 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.240 like, overall, I think I wasn't super invested watching this finale, 486 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.079 and part of that's because it's been a while since I've watched it and I'm 487 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.000 trying to remember everything. But also it just felt a little bit anticlimactic in 488 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.000 the end. And I don't really know why I felt that way. I 489 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.680 just didn't care that much, which you think I would care so much. 490 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.559 I was so invested in previous seasons. Yeah, I mean, we obviously 491 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.079 had the manga, but I was invested in the sense I wanted to see 492 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:42.599 if they change and improve things, and they did improve and change some things. 493 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:47.240 The other thing that I wanted to talk about is there at the very 494 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:52.279 end, before that war that happens afterwards. In the manga, it's clear 495 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.240 that the buildings that sprout up, that sprout around the tree like as the 496 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.000 civilization progresses on the island, are kind of like our buildings we have today, 497 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.400 like skyscrapers and stuff, modern buildings. Ye, they go futuristic, 498 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:06.240 right, Yeah. So in the manga ending, that's when the war starts, 499 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:07.599 So you have buildings that look like our buildings and like a big city 500 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:12.240 being bombed, and then the war happens, and then afterwards you have the 501 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:16.359 post apocalyptic society that I don't know how many hundreds of years later arises in 502 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:21.799 the anime, it's clear that the buildings that's brought out first they're just modern 503 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.839 buildings like our own, but then they look like these cyberpunk buildings from like 504 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:30.480 you know, Blade Runner or something like, implying that actually the conflict happens 505 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.039 hundreds of years later. I don't know how many years obviously we can speculate, 506 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.039 but I would say at least, you know, like maybe three centuries 507 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:40.759 instead of one century later is when the conflict happens. So let's we might 508 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.319 have had three hundred years of peace instead of one hundred years of a piece, 509 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:46.160 because if we say that like attacking time is taking place there in World 510 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:51.240 War One type era, then it's about one hundred years after that modern era 511 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.240 comes. So in the manga, it's like for one hundred years ish there 512 00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:58.519 was peace and then there was a war that wiped out everything. In the 513 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:02.039 anime, it's implying that it's more potentially several centuries and that's when the conflict 514 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.319 happens. So in that sense, it's more of like a optimistic ending because 515 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:09.240 it's like, yeah, shit's gonna go down, but a few centuries later, 516 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.839 not just one hundred years later. So I noticed that it was more 517 00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.440 sci fi and more futuristic. What did I just do? But I didn't. 518 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.319 I couldn't remember if that's what was in the manga, like I didn't 519 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:21.839 go back and check and make a video on it like you did. That's 520 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:23.039 real. That's cool to hear that perspective. Yeah. Yeah, if you 521 00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.759 go back to the mangoa, you'll see that it's just like modern day buildings, 522 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:30.799 so kind of our our era. And then the the anime is clearly 523 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:36.079 much more futuristic. I mean, tell Truck to join now. I think 524 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.119 we covered basically everything I did. Oh, someone in chat I said everything 525 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:42.759 was amazing until Mikasa got into Aaron's mouth. I thought that that scene was 526 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.720 kind of cringe. The only whit because we're not done, there's still still 527 00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.680 to talk about. What else did I want to say? What do you 528 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:58.720 think about me Kasa kissing Aaron's head? I mean it's tragic, Yeah, 529 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:00.799 I mean it's kind of it's it's kind of cringe and going through a lot. 530 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:04.160 She's going through a lot, so I understand it, but it's also 531 00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:06.839 cringe. It's kind of cringe and tragic at the same time. I think 532 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.039 it's I wasn't super invested in their relationship as well, Like I feel like 533 00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:15.199 if I was invested in their relationship more so, it would have been more 534 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:21.639 like beautiful and disturbing. But because I'm not, it's like cringe. Yeah, 535 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.679 I mean it sucks. It sucks that you know, she suffered a 536 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:29.559 lot, that's for damn sure, and and then people criticized her about with 537 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:34.039 the whole Oh she kept the scarfed. I means she never loved the person 538 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.760 she ended up with after Aaron, which people a respectating is John. We 539 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.920 don't know for sure, but it looks like him right, And to me, 540 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:43.519 it's just like, what are you talking about? Like, yeah, 541 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:47.760 you can people can still care about someone in their past who's no longer with 542 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.400 us, and yet still care about other people in the future and have families 543 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.920 and stuff. Where like people lose their spouses, you know, unfortunately, 544 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:58.159 and then they go on to remarry, But it doesn't mean that they never 545 00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.880 cared about that spice the spouse earlier on, like, or that they don't 546 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.960 care about the new one. It's just how things are. Like I don't 547 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.440 know why people. I guess it's probably like kids commenting like like yeah, 548 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:14.000 dude, like sixteen got married literally like I made a short making a joke, 549 00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:15.559 and I thought the joke was really really funny. I was basically just 550 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:19.840 saying, so you know that that scene where the bird goes and grabs like 551 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.559 Mecassa's scarf and like wraps it around or kind of, yeah, that was 552 00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:24.639 cringe. I will say that scene is cringe. That seeing's pretty cringe, 553 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:29.559 right, But I made the joke where I cut to Aaron talking to his 554 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:34.000 dad and being like training a bird to wrap the scarf around. Yeah, 555 00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.199 but he doesn't move on. Yeah. No, Yeah, that was not 556 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.800 to me a scringe because like, in what way would that bird be Aeron? 557 00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:44.119 But it doesn't make sense, and like it's so and if it's just 558 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.079 some random bird doing that kind of symbolically, it's too big of a coincidence. 559 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.199 It's it's too too on the nose. But I do like the idea 560 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.840 of like that centipede creature surviving inside of Aeron or reproducing itself through Aaron's head 561 00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:00.480 and then possessing that tree, because it's funny because literally, like listen, 562 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.280 arm and I'm gonna take Erin's head and leave because they're not gonna let me 563 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.119 give a proper burial to hearing because they're probably gonna try to destroy the head, 564 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:13.000 so something like that doesn't happen. But then it happened, so that's 565 00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:20.559 pretty cool. But yeah, that that that bird scene was like, it's 566 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:24.159 like too much of a coincidence. It was still cringe. And the fan 567 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.320 base being mad that Mikasa moved on is just like, I feel like this 568 00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:32.360 anime really tried to just be really really really really really realistic about humans in 569 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:36.199 a lot of way and like how humans act, especially in these like these 570 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.960 final couple of arts, and people just don't like that. Yeah, And 571 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.079 it's true. I mean, and I've seen people say listen, like I 572 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.599 don't like the ending because it's not happy enough for me. And this is 573 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.079 a story. It's not real life. I have enough of negative shit in 574 00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.159 real life. I want a story that ends happily. Yeah, I get 575 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.239 that, Like, fiction is not real life, and sometimes a realistic scenario 576 00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:59.519 is not the better story. It's not the most satisfying story, but this 577 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:00.760 is kind of how you someone wanted to do it, and and and I 578 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:04.320 think it fits with how Attacker Knight has been going up to this point. 579 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.400 It was never a happy story. It was always extremely dark. You know, 580 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.480 people were dying left and right. The point about human nature and war 581 00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.800 has been constantly hammered into us, right, It's the point is that history 582 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:21.159 is cyclical. Humans throughout history have constantly been going to war and repeating the 583 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.159 mistakes of the past. And it's not the idea that you know, some 584 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:29.639 people believe that as history moves into the future, it's progressing more and more 585 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:34.360 towards world peace and towards a better tomorrow. But another view of history, 586 00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:36.960 which is clearly the one that attack of Titan takes, is that no, 587 00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:42.639 it's just cycles of war and chaos and suffering, and human nature is like 588 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.480 that and we never learned our lessons. And I mean, it would be 589 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:47.159 weird if all of a sudden attack thing kept hammering that into us and then 590 00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:52.400 they're like, oh, yeah, but now it's world peace, bros. 591 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:57.280 Yeah, It's true. It would It would be terrible writing. I would 592 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:01.360 have what do you think? Okay, some people were probably some people probably 593 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:05.480 think that it's stupid, but I would have liked them to make it clear 594 00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:09.800 that that center beat creature came from like a media write or something so from 595 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.719 space, because I feel like that thing is so different from everything else in 596 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:20.679 the world because other other than that, the Attack Time world seems like ours 597 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.840 that it almost seems like weird, like how did this creature evolve on that 598 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:30.079 world that is completely different from any everything that that creature is Like, I 599 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:34.800 almost wanted to be an alien because that would make more sense. Yeah, 600 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.400 it's I feel like I really enjoyed a lot of the reveals in the mystery 601 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.440 behind Attack on Titan and then just being like, yeah, it's a random 602 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:45.280 creature that appeared. We don't know anything about it, and it's like it 603 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.320 ending without learning anything. It's crazy to me. Yeah, And I know 604 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:51.119 people are like, oh, man, alien, I don't want see aliens, 605 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.280 but I feel like that creature felt so alien that it's almost like it 606 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:58.400 would make more sense if it came on a media write or something, or 607 00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:02.280 they could have done something where like like thousands of years in the past, 608 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:07.440 some like some guy like somehow like trying to create power and try to create 609 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:09.800 a weapon, developed it or something. So it all stemmed from humans as 610 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.079 being humans, you know, trying to build something to kill their enemies. 611 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:19.800 It seems very like fantasy ask though, and more like natural and part of 612 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.440 it doesn't seem like it's scientifically made. Yeah, I think it seems like 613 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:28.159 it just that way from from the backstorre we get from Zeke. It seems 614 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.719 like it just kind of evolved separately, even before humanity. But it was 615 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:32.800 just kind of like chilling, doing nothing until it attached itself to Emir. 616 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.960 Yeah, it just it was just a natural part of this planet. Like 617 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.239 I would have wanted that sound to be to build the pyramids, is what 618 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:46.000 I'm saying. I think it did. Okay, all right, Truck to 619 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:50.639 join. I feel bad. We've been going for a ball. That's the 620 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:54.920 that's the point of the podcast. Any any any other stuff in the chat 621 00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.239 guys that you want us to cover before we bring Truck John Me think if 622 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:13.239 there's anything I wanted to say, m I think I think we covered most 623 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.719 of it. I mean, obviously there's like little details in my video went 624 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.159 over, like little stuff like okay, so this stuff happens in this chapter, 625 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.440 but then they move it up to the later on chronologically and the story 626 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:27.199 stuff like that. But I think there was the big stuff we did cover 627 00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:37.400 most more things. Chap's killing me right now. I'm still annoyed that Aaron 628 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.679 wasn't Historia's baby daddy. We don't really know who the father was. We 629 00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:44.920 just saw some random guy. Was it was not Rando? Yeah, but 630 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.000 the random guy is just the guy that she's currently with. We don't know 631 00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:52.760 one hundred per certainty that that's his child. I mean that's the assumption because 632 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:57.880 clearly Aaron proves later that he always loved Mikasa right like he confirms it. 633 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:05.679 So I don't think he just likes Historia secretly. One would think, well, 634 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.800 maybe he saw his death and realized his only his only chance to get 635 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:13.639 laid before death is his Historia. Oh he did he see his own dead? 636 00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:17.360 Yeah, so like it's true, but it's that'd be realistic. I 637 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:22.039 don't know. Yeah, maybe Historia's child just doesn't need to be like the 638 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.760 father, doesn't need to be an important figure. People are too much though. 639 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:29.679 It's so funny. I was sawing people comparing the baby's eyebrows to Aaron's 640 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:37.320 eyebrows. Oh my god. Yeah, the Reiner ship was like Reiner so 641 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.840 because, by the way, for those who don't know, because the type 642 00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.320 the Titan power as a whole disappears after Emir sees Mecaus do that, and 643 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:46.199 she's like, Okay, I'm not gonna serve any more. The King, 644 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:51.960 Fritz stuff Reiner, and everyone who was a shifter gets to live long lives 645 00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:53.800 because they had that curse ofly Mirror where they die after a certain amount of 646 00:41:53.880 --> 00:42:01.920 years. But they didn't die because as the curse was lifted when they attacked 647 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:07.480 when the Titan Powers disappeared. But Ryner's still got got fucked so hard. 648 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.559 He's like sniffing Historia's letter. Meanwhile, she's over there having kids with with 649 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:14.960 another man, and he's just like crying about it. I would have liked 650 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.360 to see Annie and Arman kind of like like there are together, but I 651 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:21.519 didn't like confirm that they're romantically involved. But it's clear that they were like 652 00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.639 trying to smash so I would have liked to see that confirmed. But otherwise, 653 00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:28.519 I mean everything else. Oh, by the way, you know who 654 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.800 the real winner of fucking attack on Titan is, guys, Connie's mom. 655 00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.519 Apparently Connie's mom went back to normal after the Titan Powers disappeared. No shot. 656 00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:43.920 She was staying on her back on top of a village this entire time 657 00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.360 is chilling, yes, and then she apparently survived, like went back to 658 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:55.239 normal after tight Power disappeared, So she waited it out and survived. So 659 00:42:55.320 --> 00:43:00.239 I mean there are some I guess, some positive things even though it's a 660 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.760 bleak ending. Overall, I feel like that there are some positive things in 661 00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:10.880 One of them is Connie's mother is back. Yeah. I think overall though, 662 00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.400 I enjoyed watching this anime ending, and more so than when I read 663 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:22.599 the manga, I think I understand it a little bit more and it's just 664 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.239 okay. I like certain things. I just like there's certain things. I 665 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.480 give it like a seven and out of ten the ending, and overall like 666 00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:30.880 an eight point four out of ten for the overall anime. I enjoyed it. 667 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:35.000 I think I think it's worth finishing. If people haven't finished it. 668 00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.639 In chat, I'm still I'm gonna tell Truck to join here in a little 669 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:39.840 bit. I'm gonna say you should still definitely finish it. Come to your 670 00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:43.800 own conclusions and opinions. Yeah, And I mean either way that the ending 671 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:45.960 is thought provoking. So even if you don't like it, think about why 672 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.320 you don't like it, what you would have liked to happen instead. Because 673 00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.440 I find it difficult to come up with a perfect ending for a doug Land 674 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.800 myself that would kind of like go with the themes and not negate everything that 675 00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:58.880 happened beforehand, but be better than the current ending. Like, I don't 676 00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:00.800 think it's as easy es people are making it out to be. I'm sure 677 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.360 there is better endings because I don't think it's perfect, but it's not so 678 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:09.599 easy. I would have preferred if I thought it was good writing that Aaron 679 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:13.039 was human and he had that scene with Arman. I feel like I would 680 00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.440 prefer if he just actually turned into like he kind of went crazy after seeing 681 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.000 the like the past president in future and being like, yeah, this is 682 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.679 the only way to keep the optimal outcome and just fucking murdered everybody and just 683 00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.639 went out like a bad ass. I don't know, like yeah, but 684 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.519 then yes, esk ending. I guess then people would have freaked out and 685 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.239 they're like, what's the message with Talkenton that we should just kill everyone. 686 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:37.199 Also, I don't think technically what Aaron did was genocide, because I think 687 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:42.079 by definition, genocide means you're targeting a specific group, and he was targeting 688 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.440 everybody, So I don't even know what you would call that. Just trying 689 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:52.400 to kill everyone on Earth other than like the island. I don't fucking know. 690 00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:59.840 It's worse than genocide. Yeah, yeah, it's just like indiscriminate killer 691 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:05.039 everbody other than this, like one area, you know. So I think 692 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.119 this would have been cool ending, but I feel like people would have hated 693 00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.159 it. I think it would have been cool if you know how Aaron said 694 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:15.559 he tested out all the different scenarios and he couldn't come up with a better 695 00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:19.880 solution. Yeah, I think it would have been cool if the future we 696 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.360 were seeing with the rumbling and stuff was one of the scenarios he was testing. 697 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:27.440 But then in the end he came up with a better scenario and broke, 698 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.239 and it was like a time loop thing that he broke, and then 699 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.679 you could have a happier ending. Maybe that'd be interesting. But then people 700 00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.360 were like, no, this is fucking we got debated, this we got 701 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.960 debated. This is an ass ball. It's like it was an all dream. 702 00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.280 But I feel like he could have been done well. But I know 703 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:54.440 a lot of people don't like those kinds of endings. So then you get 704 00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:59.400 mickey mouth alligations. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I don't know, 705 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:07.960 well, I want to fucking duck, dude, So sorry why that is? 706 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:15.159 Okay, I should explain why did that come up? As soon as 707 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:21.400 you came into Discord now as a soundboard and you can make a sound whenever 708 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.000 you join in, and as a meme. That is a friend of mine 709 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:29.840 who's also a fellow creator that said something about wanting to fucking duck and I 710 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:31.639 thought it was funny, and then I keep forgetting to turn it off for 711 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:37.480 other servers. So sorry about that guy. Like I was gonna say, 712 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:45.480 Aaron is a bird, not a duck truck trunk listen, listen, all 713 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.880 right, well, welcome to the stream truck. Hello, where are you? 714 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:52.039 An attack on tity? Out of curiosity? Okay. So I'm one 715 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:58.639 of those people that I watched season one when it came out, and uh, 716 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.360 I was upset with it. I loved it. I rewatched it a 717 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:07.039 million times, and then by the time I was and then I got to 718 00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.639 college by the time season two came out, and I was hell of swamped, 719 00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:17.639 and I like was just like trying so hard to get to get through 720 00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:21.480 season two, but it was like very like it was like slow. And 721 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:23.960 also my life was busy, so I kind of dropped it. Attack was 722 00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:27.760 not slow at all. It was much faster paced than season one. So 723 00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:31.000 you are misremembering, Okay, well, I listen, maybe she was watching 724 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:35.280 it weekly. I was watching I was watching it weekly, so I wasn't 725 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.000 really getting like it would like. I don't know. I think I just 726 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:43.599 didn't grasp onto it at that point. But I definitely I genuinely want Yeah, 727 00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:45.960 I had a lot going on in my life with school and stuff so 728 00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:50.800 and then other life events, so it was a lot harder for me to 729 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.119 like stay into it. But I am at the point now, especially now 730 00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:57.559 that it's over, like I want to binge the entire series again. Well, 731 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:00.440 I absolutely went, like I know, I know, I will. 732 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:05.880 I loved. I absolutely loved Attack on Titan, like when it first came 733 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:07.400 out, and like I remember like watching it with my sister for the first 734 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.760 time and we were like so excited about it, and I was like, 735 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:15.519 yeah, So I definitely do want me if you end up like binging it, 736 00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:19.440 because it would be interesting to get someone's perspective who actually binges it. 737 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.239 Because I've, like all of us who have been watching seasonally, we kind 738 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:28.440 of been going slow step by step for years and years and years. So 739 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.119 it'll be interesting to see how someone who kind of like saw it all happen 740 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:36.719 quickly would react to the ending shock truck. I did like a live reaction 741 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.960 on Kick when I when the final like movie came out for the like the 742 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:45.559 final ending, and I'm sitting here like, what's this character's name? What 743 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.559 happened with that? How the Titans working? How is this happening? I 744 00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.039 don't I don't remember anything. It's been a while, like it was. 745 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:57.280 I feel like, if you actually just binge this binge the seasons, you 746 00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:59.960 will enjoy it a lot more than I did. Yeah, And I know, 747 00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:01.440 oh I will, And like that's the thing, like I I remember, 748 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:06.320 like I loved the I loved the stories. I listened to every I've 749 00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:08.000 listened to every single like opening, and I'm like, I want to get 750 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:13.239 into this again so bad, and it's just like finding the time. Honestly, 751 00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:16.559 I should have taken some time today to like restart season two or something, 752 00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.519 remember everything from season one stuff. I don't think you can speed around 753 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:23.639 the entire like, no, I wouldn't. I know I wouldn't be able 754 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:28.079 to. But it's just I know I'm not gonna be able to get through 755 00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.679 everything in one day. It's just more of like just finding the time to 756 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:34.880 like make sure that I do it while like working or stuff and like working 757 00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.199 on other stuff. I will say, though, Briggs, like I'm not 758 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.480 as bad as you would names and stuff. But I did screw up in 759 00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:47.760 my video. I did confuse something about poor Coal Galliard with Colt Grice, 760 00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.360 So how could you? I confused those characters in one part, and then 761 00:49:52.400 --> 00:50:01.760 I felt like characters Colt is Falco's brother and uh the jaw Titan. What 762 00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:09.679 is Porkle gall Yard? So yeah, anime opera, anime operas, attack 763 00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:14.639 on Titan videos just no one void at this point. Yeah, more well 764 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:19.760 it's the one video truck John, But yeah, it's more like anime fraud. 765 00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:22.719 Roar. I want to go watch your I want to watch your video 766 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.639 and see what like or it just very similar to everything we said. Remember 767 00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:30.639 what I said, Colt, I meant Porko bro got it, got it, 768 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.599 dude, Okay, spoilers, but the whole bird thing, like I 769 00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:36.960 think I get it, but it was a little bit confusing, like it 770 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.480 came out of fucking nowhere. But that's not even that's not even a spoiler, 771 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:44.519 like that's just like a random Yeah, I made it as general as 772 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.519 possible, the whole bird thing. No, not the bird ending. I 773 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:53.880 meant the Titan bird thing. Someone in the YouTube chat said anime version with 774 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:59.960 truck for aot. Oh that would be good. Yeah, we could, 775 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:04.480 we could watch you want to talk about it? I'd love to do a 776 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:07.599 podcast. I definitely want to, Like I want to go back and rewatch, 777 00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:14.519 like I definitely want to rewatch it, like Rewatch specially and then get 778 00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:16.280 I want to I want to continue watching it because I know it just gets 779 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:19.880 better, and I'm like, I want to. I just want to watch 780 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:23.760 it, man, especially with how the last season was dragged out insanely, 781 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:28.960 insanely, I do wonder how someone who can just actually watch it all at 782 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:34.079 once would react, because it's yeah, it was like the final season Part 783 00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.320 one, the Final season Part two, the Final Season Part two, Part 784 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:42.000 two, the season part three, part four, Like what what was happening? 785 00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:45.400 I remember that the final season started as season like it was supposed to 786 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:50.079 be season four, and then it just kept going, Oh my god, 787 00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.519 yeah, it was multiple seasons and then he turned into several movies at the 788 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:58.559 end. Yeah, like why, I don't know. Maybe they really didn't 789 00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:01.039 think that they were going to get to finish it and they literally had no 790 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:06.159 Well, because it was what MAPA that took over, right, I think 791 00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.039 it was just marketing to make more money. It could have been marketing to 792 00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:10.840 make more money. But also at the same time, after season, the 793 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:15.199 final season, part six, they were too far gone. At that point 794 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:20.920 they were we can't change it. We can't change it. I feel like 795 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:22.800 if anything, they wanted to make the most money possible, then they would 796 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:27.079 have released the movies as theater movies, because like lately, anime theater movies 797 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.639 doing crazy well, but they didn't. They're popping off in the West. 798 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:32.679 I don't know about I don't know how they are in the East, but 799 00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:37.119 that's where they're getting the Western audience. Well, I mean, look at 800 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:39.960 the Defense There movie. It was. It broke records on the Japanese market 801 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:43.880 too. Yeah, I think they're throwing They should have definitely released it in 802 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:45.159 theaters. I wouldn't I would have went to go see it. That would 803 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.440 have been awesome, just going to see an A talk on Titan movie because 804 00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:53.199 I think about it a lot. But the actual action scenes were fucking phenomenal 805 00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:57.400 that would have been amazing on a big screen. The only time that I 806 00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.840 actually go to the movies now is to see anime movies. Now that I 807 00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:05.599 think about it, the only time that I've gone that I've gone to a 808 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:13.119 theater recently has been to see uh, the the Slime mesa Kai movie. 809 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.079 I saw that twice, and then I went to go see the The Demon 810 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:20.199 Slayer movies. I still go a lot of movies every now and then. 811 00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:22.159 I honestly don't. I don't know. I just don't have friends that want 812 00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.440 to go. I don't have any Like all my friends are like across the 813 00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:29.840 country or like in another like in another country, like. I don't have 814 00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:31.800 like friends that are like a lot of friends that are local that I can 815 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:36.280 actually like go to the movies with. Fair enough, I have friends. 816 00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:38.760 I have friends in California. Guys, Okay, I do. I do 817 00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:43.719 have friends in California. I'm not I'm not friendless. I have friends in 818 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:45.320 California. I got friends in Texas. I got friends in Michigan. I 819 00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:50.079 got friends in Canada. I got friends everywhere not near me. I'm definitely 820 00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:54.840 not friendless. I have friends in Dakota, which which to which I was 821 00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:59.760 gonna say which one? I got friends in Dakota. Well, if you 822 00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:01.320 if if you had friends in Dakota, you know, they just call it 823 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:08.840 the coda, you know. First. Yeah, So, overall the time 824 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.519 and time, I think it was. It's a great series, one of 825 00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:19.000 the greatest. But was the ending perfect? No? But I mean, 826 00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.159 what is writing? But there's still a couple of things I don't like, 827 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:23.480 but it's still very good writing. It just I feel like a lot of 828 00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:28.679 us are like it's not perfect because it didn't feel like satisfying. Yeah, 829 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.880 and I know, like good right, I know a lot of us say, 830 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:34.360 now, oh, you know, Kogias is the perfect ending and stuff 831 00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.159 like that. But even back then when Kogiaz came out and years after, 832 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:40.719 people were debating what happened to lose was was did he survive in the end 833 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:45.519 because he became immortal or because there's just a whole immortal thing where you can 834 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:50.119 become like C two immortal or did he do this or did he do that? 835 00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:52.199 And and you know, so there was a lot of debate, and 836 00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:53.440 some people wanted it to be on one way, and some people wanted to 837 00:54:53.480 --> 00:55:00.639 be another way, and some people hate that bitch, Suzaku. I think 838 00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:07.559 you're just describing yourself. Yes, yeah, bit of them. I remember 839 00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:12.639 those videos about l Lush being alive animec Yeah, I still think he has 840 00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.039 those videos. I still think he is. But people feel like that's that 841 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:16.920 would hurt the sacrifice aspect of it. But I still think he is. 842 00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:28.039 All Right, well, truck John, thank you for your contribution today. 843 00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:30.119 Oh yeah, I know. I kind of came in here at the end. 844 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:34.159 I was like, just whenever the spoilers are done, somebody messaged me 845 00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:40.000 your opinions. Briggs was like, hey, so, yeah, we could 846 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:43.440 probably sit up for like the first twenty minutes or so, and I'm like, 847 00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:45.440 I'm just gonna wait for them to message me because there's no way they're 848 00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:47.800 going to be able to I'm like, there's no way they're not going to 849 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:51.599 take up the entire podcast to talk about the AOT. Yeah, there's a 850 00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:52.559 lot to talk about. There was a lot to talk about, and I 851 00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:58.239 mean it ended finally after you know the series I think ten years. Yeah, 852 00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:00.880 the anime was like ten years, but I think the ten years the 853 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:02.480 mong is starting like two thousand and nine, so it's been almost fifteen years 854 00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:06.239 since the series has been going on. So it's crazy. That's crazy. 855 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.360 But yeah, yeah, I didn't expect more than thirty minutes of us talking 856 00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:15.679 about the ending. But it's the ending of AOT it's a it's a monumental 857 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:17.199 ending because like this show has been running over it. The show has been 858 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.039 running for a decade. The Monk has been going for over a decade. 859 00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:23.960 Like there'slers. There are a lot of people that genuine like it. It's 860 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.199 wild to me when I hear, oh, I grew up with Attack on 861 00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:29.559 Titan the way that we would say stuff shit, Like I grew up with 862 00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:32.400 Harry Potter, and it's like, what you grew up with Attack on Titan? 863 00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:35.639 Then and then I realized, I'm like, shit, I was in 864 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:40.920 high school when it came out, and I'm like almost thirty what and it's 865 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:46.400 ending. So it's like, yeah, no, it makes sense. My 866 00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:52.320 favorite party ending was when Levi went on to fuck all the bitches as he 867 00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.519 should, as he should. All right, thank you guys for joining us 868 00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.400 for this in depth discussion of the Attack on Titan ending. If you want 869 00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:06.639 to check out my video, remember and uh I was rushing and I don't 870 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:10.039 know how I spaced guys, He's like, let me just like revise it 871 00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:15.639 and literally just like puts in like the font thing like screw Like any time 872 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:17.800 that he does, it's just like a random subtitle. No, it was 873 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:21.800 just it was just one at one point in the in the video, like, 874 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:27.800 but yeah, anyway, truck, would you believe that me and Animac 875 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.760 gave the ending the same score? We actually agreed. What you guys agreed? 876 00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:36.119 That's crazy. Yeah, sure, I was going to be hating and 877 00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:37.760 he was going to be loving it, but we both kind of just gave. 878 00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:42.480 You both kind of gave it. You both. You both you both 879 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.639 said me, seven out of ten is not bad. We're like, oh, 880 00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:47.159 it's good. But yeah, I was gonna say seven out of ten 881 00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:51.000 isn't bad by any means. It's not that you guys hated it. No, 882 00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:52.119 but I give the entire series of nine point five, so it's like 883 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:58.440 way below series is. But I don't think it's what some people make it 884 00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:00.119 out to be, like the almost the worst ending ever by any means. 885 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.320 I feel like that's how it's gonna be when it comes to any ending of 886 00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.880 like a long running series. It's so hard to do an ending like correct, 887 00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:12.280 I wonder how the one piece ending is going to like, oh yeah, 888 00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:15.800 like a nine out of ten. Right, It's like the ending is 889 00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:19.559 going to spark that. Yeah. Well, there's the thing is they can't. 890 00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:23.079 They can't end something that's been running this long that's going to please everybody 891 00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:25.960 that's ever watched it. Yeah, I think they might run a long running 892 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.400 fan of it, it's gonna be hard to please. Might run into the 893 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:34.559 exact same problems Attack on Titan, where it's a great series that has so 894 00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:37.639 much expectation built up, and even more so for one piece because of how 895 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:42.960 long it's so I feel absolutely you know, unless Oda just like has this 896 00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:46.079 amazing ending that just satisfies like at least the vast majority, it's going to 897 00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:52.000 be absolutely chaos. It's going to be it's going to spark so much, 898 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:57.599 uh so much controversy. Like I like, I was like, if anybody 899 00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.519 can't, I was gonna say. I was like, if anybody can do 900 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:02.119 something like that, I feel like it would be Oda. But at the 901 00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:06.400 same time, like that's also a lot of like I don't know, I 902 00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:08.199 feel like there's a lot there's a lot of expectations there just like the idea 903 00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:12.440 of what the one piece is, like the treasure like whatever, it ends 904 00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:17.760 up being a lot of people that they're not gonna they're not gonna pull like 905 00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:22.239 and I definitely don't think they're gonna pull out the one piece was of the 906 00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.000 friends you made along the way kind of stick like I I genuinely think Oda 907 00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:30.480 is way too smart for that. But if it isn't time, it's like, 908 00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:32.559 yeah, it's anything symbolic, people are gonna be like what they're gonna 909 00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:36.440 be. It was just that if it's like a weapon, like just the 910 00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:39.679 weapon when it so it's like, how can you do it? No, 911 00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:43.599 Like it's yeah, I know there's like there's so much hype for what this 912 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.840 is. Himself said he hates that kind of ending exactly. So it's gonna 913 00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:51.559 be It's gonna be something good. I just don't I am. I'm a 914 00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.280 little skeptical of what it like how they're going to do it, But at 915 00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:57.400 the same time, like I feel like the way that Oda's had his hand 916 00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.159 on everything, I feel like it's it's gonna be fine. Rap says the 917 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.519 Treasure could literally beat seventeen different things together, and some fans will still hate 918 01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:07.719 it. Yeah, absolutely, should have been, should have been, should 919 01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:13.519 have been. It should have been a ring that's also a spaceship, bro. 920 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:20.880 The one piece was the Golden Mary. Honestly, it will be so 921 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:24.559 interesting to see if one piece ever does end. It'll be interesting. It'll 922 01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:28.239 be so interesting to see the ending and how people react. It'll be like 923 01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:32.239 a monumental thing like this is Dagarn. Tiny stuff is just like a practice 924 01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:37.960 for the one piece. Guys, It's gonna be crazy. Alright, Well, 925 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.280 thank you guys for joining us. We'll be back next week talking about 926 01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:44.639 some other anime related topics and events and whatever. And until next week, 927 01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:46.000 see Space Cowboys. Dang