WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:05.759 Flying through the religious liberty skies. Southwest will appeal the judge's ruling requiring religious 2 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:09.720 liberty training. This is written by Daniel Weisner on August eight, twenty twenty 3 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:14.240 three for Reuters, and in this article we go over how a judge is 4 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:20.280 ordering Southwest Airlines employees three attorneys, to be more specific, to attend religious 5 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:25.559 liberty training. Now, this religious liberty training, ironically, is being carried 6 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:30.760 out by a Christian group about Christian quote unquote ethics. At first glance, 7 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:33.880 I see a judge using authority to prop up Christian values, which is a 8 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:37.399 blatant constitutional violation. But before I get into that, I'd like to hear 9 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:41.119 with Rob. Excuse me what Aaron and Helen and Rob have to say. 10 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:45.679 Aaron, Yeah, I did a little I'd read the Wikipedia article on this 11 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:49.960 group that they're supposedly have to go and get this liberty, this religious liberty 12 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:52.799 training, and this is not a good group. I would not want to 13 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:57.439 get any kind of training from these folks. The Southern Poverty Law Center designates 14 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.920 them as an anti LGBT hate group. They have become one of the most 15 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:06.400 influential groups in forming the previous administration's attack on LGBTQ rights. They've they have 16 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:11.120 many anti lgbt legal positions. They oppose same sex marriage. They want to 17 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:15.359 decriminalize uh, same sexual activity. Uh, or they want to criminalize it. 18 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:22.680 They want they do they want to decriminalize it. Yes, it opposes 19 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:26.560 decriminalizing it. It opposes anti discrimination laws, and they're they take an active 20 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:32.079 role in writing anti transgender bills for state legislatures. I just I can't believe 21 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:37.120 this. This judge is being so blatantly, I don't know, anti liberty 22 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:41.840 by forcing this training on on this on these lawyers. Granted, the lawyers 23 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:45.359 aren't following the judges instructions. They're kind of, you know, throw a 24 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:48.439 little fit. They don't agree with the ruling that they got, and so 25 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:51.040 they're kind of dragging their feet. I get it, But that doesn't mean 26 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:55.680 you have to go send them to a group that essentially brainwashes people. Uh. 27 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:57.959 And this whole religious liberty argument, uh, when it comes up, 28 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:01.599 and it seems to be the it's it's about people's religious liberty to treat other 29 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:06.959 people like crap and to be bigoted and and to not be kind and to 30 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:10.280 not accept people for who they are. And it's just makes me want to 31 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:15.479 You're just too woke. It's just sorry, you're just too woke. Yeah, 32 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:20.759 Rob, taking away all I'm gonna, I'm gonna. Yeah. Well, 33 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:25.400 so I actually opened up and I read the God helped me legal memorandum, 34 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:29.800 opinion and order granting sanctions that have The judge from Texas wrote, by 35 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:32.080 the way, I was surprised it wasn't for Florida, but it was Texas. 36 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:38.840 So I guess you know We're not the only shitty place. Rob Okay. 37 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:43.360 So part of what the judge wrote was, this is a quote. 38 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:49.039 Take these modified historical and movie anecdotes. After God told Adam you must not 39 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:52.240 eat from the tree in the middle of the garden, imagine Adam telling God, 40 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:53.560 I did not eat from the tree in the middle of the garden while 41 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:57.120 there is an apple court his feet, and then he gives a second example, 42 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.960 or where Gandolf bellows you shall not pass. I do not pass while 43 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:07.039 strolling past Gandoff. And then the judge says, either you know either of 44 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:10.919 those things is a historical anecdote. So does he think the Bible is a 45 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:15.520 historical anecdote or the Lord of the Ring's tale is a historic he's thinking one 46 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:19.159 of those is a historical anecdote. So you know, I can't take anything 47 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:23.360 this guy so seriously. I mean, that is like ridiculous to put this 48 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.879 in an official court order from you know, a position of authority in the 49 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:32.080 United States's it. So when I was reading over this article, like, 50 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:37.639 I am all for people getting like ethics training, you know, how to 51 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:42.400 get along with their fellow employees, because like we we've we've all had jobs 52 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.280 and we've all had to do a certain amount of personal and trading how to 53 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:49.479 get along with co workers, all that type of stuff. Like I have 54 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:54.080 no problem with that, but the fact that this was a religious moral ethic 55 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:59.680 course, which really really bothers me because is that, like, listen, 56 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.719 I got y'all know that I'm an atheist activist. Everybody knows that. But 57 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:10.360 if I was Pagan or Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or anything else that or 58 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:15.560 atheist or whatever you are that doesn't want to conform to this type of training, 59 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.079 it and you don't have an option to opt out of it. It 60 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:23.720 was it was required under what Southwest wanted to do with this religious group, 61 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:27.959 which is disgusting because if you are have the option when like, if you're 62 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:30.240 like follow different religious faith to be like, you know what, I don't 63 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:34.199 want to do this and give it. It was required about with the upper 64 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:39.240 executives, but that could have trickled down because we know how these things work. 65 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:44.839 So that was that caused me a little bit of pause. And I 66 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:49.000 understand and we have talked over and over again on the show of people who 67 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:56.800 are either atheists or people that don't follow a certain religious ideology wanting to opt 68 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.399 out a certain training, certain trainings are say, is like going to morning 69 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:04.839 prayer when they don't hold the same belief and then finding that their jobs might 70 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:10.480 be in jeopardy. And this is just some reminder that these things keep happening, 71 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:16.279 and it just really bothers me because we should when you're under an equal 72 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:21.920 opportunity of employer, maybe you should extend that also to people that might have 73 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:28.000 different religions in you or have no religion, you know, just saying anyway, 74 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:31.120 Jimmy, please go, please talk to me. Yeah. I find 75 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:36.279 it ironic that the judge in this case, in his ruling sites previous case 76 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:44.079 law in which defendants were required to attend ethics training and continuing education courses. 77 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:49.639 But then by using that as the precedent, forces these these Southwest Airlines employees 78 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:56.199 to attend Christian courses. These are not the same. Christianity and ethics are 79 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.439 not the same. And if the judge actually knew anything about this religion, 80 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:01.639 about the Good Book, uh, you know, he might not be so 81 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:06.639 ignorant to the ethical dilemmas of Christianity. Uh. And in conclusion, I 82 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:11.839 mean, I think that imposing religion in this case, using the court system 83 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:15.439 to do it, is quite alarming, and so it should be taken seriously. 84 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.560 It's a dangerous precedent even for christian but for everyone who could face what 85 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:23.680 I'll call, you know, reverse religious discrimination, right, so attempted in 86 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:29.759 doctoration as a penalty for an act that conflicts with somebody else's religious values. 87 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:32.639 You know this this could backfire, uh, you know, making something like 88 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:38.439 this the precedent, and and I just I find it shocking, disgusting, 89 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:42.360 uh, and it is unconstitutional in my opinion. So I hope to see 90 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:46.279 uh the appeal go through and for this to be overturned. Aaron, what 91 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.519 do you think about all that? Yeah, you know, there's a reason 92 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:53.480 we keep religion out of government. And out of law. You know, 93 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:56.199 when you come together as a society, you have to you have to kind 94 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:00.120 of agree on some common framework on how we're all going to live together. 95 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:04.680 And if you choose religion, well, depending on what your religious beliefs are, 96 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:09.519 that could be pretty oppressive to other groups of people. And we've seen 97 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:14.959 historically that religious groups tend to be oppressive, They tend to inflict serious harm 98 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:18.519 on groups of people that they don't like. So that's why we as skeptics 99 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.439 and as atheists don't We don't want religion in our government. We want it 100 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:24.759 out. And so we have to come to an agreement on what what are 101 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:29.360 we going to base our our community, o our country on. And we've 102 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:31.360 decided that we're going to base it on laws that every everybody is going to 103 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.480 be subject to the same laws. They're going to be governed the same way. 104 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:38.759 Rich or poor. Uh, it doesn't it doesn't matter. We're all 105 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:42.800 subject to laws. And these laws help us get along and help and help 106 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:46.639 create liberty, help create equality, give people equal chances and equal opportunities. 107 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.839 And by introducing, by the slow creep of religion into our law and into 108 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:57.240 our our government, it slowly is eroding a way that our actual liberties and 109 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:01.040 our actual freedoms, and so is like, I share this, this concern 110 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:05.959 that you expressed, Jimmy, that this this little this judge is doing something 111 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:13.279 that is unacceptable to send people to get this uh AT liberty, this religious 112 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.000 liberty training. You know, it might be a good thing. I don't 113 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:20.639 think it is, but you certainly shouldn't be giving it from an obviously biased 114 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:24.000 group as this uh as this, as this ADF group is. And I'm 115 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:28.399 just I share your concern. I'm really worried. This seems to be happening 116 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.840 more and more where people are using religious arguments to support the law, and 117 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:35.279 that's just that's not what we need. That's not what we want. We 118 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.960 want we want Christian liberty. It's not even religious liberty, right, they're 119 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.000 not teaching Christian liberty. Religion. Yeah, it's it's it's liberty for the 120 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:46.320 majority. It's liberty for people that you know are Christian, and it's not 121 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.279 liberty for any else. That's not Christian freedom. For me, that's for 122 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.840 the yes, yes, you know, and I know I keep saying that's 123 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:56.759 when we you know, over and over again. But that's what's happening, 124 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:00.919 you know, and they plot, they cry religious freedom. It's only religious 125 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:05.519 freedom for them to screw everybody else and wait, rob go ahead. Yeah, 126 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:07.799 so everyone's agreeing on all this, but I want to I want to 127 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:11.120 change it a little bit, change it up, just a little bit. 128 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:16.399 So you know, I have tried to stay away from the legal system because 129 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:20.799 my little interfacing with lawyers is not They're not as brilliant as people think they 130 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:24.679 are. Like I had a real estate attorney and my wife and I had 131 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:26.600 to rewrite everything she ever wrote before she sent it out because the first thing 132 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:30.879 she sent back out us in trouble because she was an idiot. So I'm 133 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:33.120 looking at at what the judge actually said, and I want to come down 134 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:37.039 a little bit on the Southwest people too. The court ordered Southwest to inform 135 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:43.080 Southwest flight attendants that they may not discriminated against Southwest flight attendants for religious practices 136 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:45.639 and beliefs. All right, we might agree with that, or maybe you 137 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.879 do, but it says may not. That's the key words. So what 138 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:52.799 Southwest wenton did is they wrote, we to their employees, Southwest does not 139 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:58.200 discriminate against our employees or like they change, may not too, does not. 140 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.240 It's like like that means nothing. It changed the whole gist of the 141 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.360 instruction that they were ordered to do. I mean, what the hell is 142 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:11.080 wrong with lawyers. That's bizarre because lawyers are people. They're falliable, robble, 143 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:18.000 fallible, fallible, both they're both. They're they're fallible and fallible at 144 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.639 the same time. It's them for a legal tantrum. I think they're just 145 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.440 sort of legal tantrum. They didn't agree with the rule, and so they're 146 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.080 just gonna change that may not that does that. We do not do this 147 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.799 no matter what the jury's in. And and look looking at the attorneys that 148 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:35.480 Trump hires, like, you know, not a brain amongst them, and 149 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:39.440 so you know what kind of stuff. Well, I think they still mess 150 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.000 Yea, he knows all the best people, Rob, I know the best 151 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:48.960 people. I do want to point out something that struck me when I was 152 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.200 reading this article, because if there's sexism, I'm gonna sniff it out. 153 00:10:52.720 --> 00:11:00.159 And the US District Judge Brandley Starr, who had talked about the lawyers in 154 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:05.320 this case, has undermined his earlier ruling in a religious bias case against student 155 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:09.840 flight attendant Charlene Carter. Sara has said that instead of notifying employees of their 156 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:16.799 rights against religious discrimination as he had ordered, Southwest ad the lawyer's pande memo 157 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:22.279 warning workers not to violate the company policy that led to fire Carter. Carter 158 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:28.679 says she was fired for criticizing her union's decision to participate to participate in the 159 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:33.919 twenty seventeen Woman's March, a nationwide protest falling the inaugurguration of Donald Trump, 160 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:37.919 because Plan Parent was a sponsor. Carter has said she's a Christian who opposes 161 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:43.879 abortion, So this isn't We're not just talking about just Christianity. This is 162 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:48.240 a woman that worked at the company, wanted to participate in this march, 163 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.720 and as a Christian that wants people to have equal access to abortion. So 164 00:11:54.600 --> 00:12:00.919 bias munch and and I keep we keep seeing this though, were the law 165 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:03.960 is supposed to be impartial, where the best evidence is presented and then they 166 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:07.519 make laws about it. Now it's like, well, you know, your 167 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.759 sky daddy is telling me that you know this is the moral you know reality 168 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:15.559 we have to live in. So we're gonna go with the sky daddy. 169 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:20.279 And it's just it just so so much that was the thing that really chucked 170 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:26.080 out for me as a feminist and a person that a humanist and people being 171 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.720 having a cooxis to healthcare and things. So hell and so did you really 172 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:35.879 did you read enough about it to hear the part about sending aboarded fetus pictures 173 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:39.240 to multiple people? Did you? Did you catch up? Did you catch 174 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:43.720 that? Yes? I did? Don't? Yeah, and and and that's 175 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.480 the thing, And this is the thing I think those of us who are 176 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:50.759 talking out against these things, is that if you're playing on people's emotions, 177 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:56.559 you're not going to help them engage with things logically and separate their emotions your 178 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.440 and I will say your emotions are valid, but it's always is what you 179 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:03.799 do with your feelings. And you can think that you know, boar de 180 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:09.279 fetuses are gross and also think that, oh, this is just you know, 181 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.159 I'm something that's trying to get into into my brain brain and manipulate me 182 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.840 emotionally, and also separate that people can make decisions for themselves. He can 183 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:22.080 do both. It's fine. Anyway, I went, I did a feminist 184 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:28.799 rant. I did my quota. So Jimmy, please give me more opinions 185 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:35.679 on the women's rights. Are human rights. Okay, no issue there. 186 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:41.440 But the what I would have liked to see is a line drawn between the 187 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:48.639 case of Southwest Airlines firing Miss Carter Carter, Miss Carter, and then the 188 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.600 judge issuing his ruling the way that he did, because I think what's happening 189 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:58.039 is that the judge is just retaliating against Southwest Airlines for penalizing a Christian and 190 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:03.559 in doing so, I think he's using the legal system, using the Constitution, 191 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.559 to infuse his own religious ideology, and that is a major deal. 192 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:13.440 Uh, and that is something that can't fly. So I would I would 193 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:18.159 almost take the Southwest Airlines, you know, I would want to take that 194 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:22.320 it's in its own category and kind of analyze that independently and say, well, 195 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:24.600 yeah, she should have the right, you know, to to act 196 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.360 in accordance with her values and not be terminated with him. I think that 197 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.559 the point that we're missing though there is that Well, maybe for Southwest Airlines 198 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:37.480 there was some policy that was violated. I didn't look into this, you 199 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:39.759 know, too deeply, but from what I gathered is that she violated some 200 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:43.639 company policy and was terminated for it. Now, whether that was a you 201 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:48.559 know, religious discrimination case, that should be examined, but a judge should 202 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:52.200 not be infusing his own religious values to penalize that company for that. And 203 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:56.519 so that's what I think is happening. Uh and again dangerous precedent. I 204 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:01.960 read the Aaron. I read a news article the original case, and it 205 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:05.200 wasn't that she was had different views. She wasn't being fired for having her 206 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.519 views. People have their views, she was sharing them on Facebook. The 207 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:11.840 problem she was she was harassing people. Southwest claimed that she was harassing people 208 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.080 about it. She wouldn't let it go and she was, like I said, 209 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.480 setting pictures that people didn't want to see and all this stuff. And 210 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:20.879 uh, she did some stuff with her with her union. I'm not sure 211 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.279 exactly what I was. I wasn't able to find out, but it was 212 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:28.080 she crossed the line, is what Southwest contended, and a jury didn't agree. 213 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.879 So I mean take that, take that with what it is. I'm 214 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:35.480 too familiar with it. But the jury didn't agree, and she won in 215 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:41.440 Southwest, and I think another group are appealing the decision. And uh, 216 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:46.919 yeah, Rob, yeah, well she crossed the line. Yeah, multiple 217 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.840 pictures as ever called multiple years of harassing people. It should have been an 218 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.240 harassment case, never mind religious freedom. It's like, you know, sending 219 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.879 pictures of dead bodies, whether or not the fetuses or older humans. It's 220 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.720 like just not appropriate to people. You don't do that, even if you, 221 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.200 for some reason believe it's going to change minds to come around your way 222 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.559 of thinking regarding an issue that's come to you because of your religion. So 223 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:11.120 you know, she crossed the line. I don't know, Southwest, you 224 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.840 know it's wrong for firing her for harassment, but I don't know. But 225 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:17.559 the judge clearly crossed the line. Is everyone here is agreeing, and you 226 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:19.799 know, we'll see what happens if this is taken up by a higher court. 227 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:23.440 It's all all I can say about it. I think the frustration comes 228 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:27.840 to is that also as well, is that this Southwest is a very big 229 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:30.919 corporation, and this is where a lot of the focus is going. But 230 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:37.919 we here again and again of religious ideologies and predices. Like I know, 231 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:41.120 I know, I'm kind of beating a dead horse with this, but it's 232 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:45.960 infiltrating a lot of American businesses. And when you're a big corporation, like 233 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:48.759 it's not like a private company like you own your local like pest control, 234 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:52.919 you know, business and you have like a you have a Jesus fish in 235 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.360 your truck, and people can be like, okay, well there a Christian 236 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.240 company. I don't want to, you know, align my values there, 237 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:03.360 so you have an option to not participate in it. But Southwest is a 238 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:08.599 huge corporations with thousands and thousands of employees, and if they're going to force 239 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:17.680 them to do religious liberty training, okay, not cool man. And also 240 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:22.319 with Carter do I have bigsed feelings about it, But I don't think the 241 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:26.000 judge should have ruled and hand it's opinion the way that he did, because 242 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.599 I get it, you shouldn't harass your fellow co workers, and I don't 243 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.319 care what side defense you're on, don't do that. But the other side 244 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.759 of it is just like, well, if you're being biased, we're talking 245 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.079 about a different thing at this point. And I think that's the problem that 246 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.039 we're talking about. Because I can talk about her ethically, I can talk 247 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:47.599 about like, hey, you know it, don't do that, because if 248 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:51.720 she did, it looks really really bad. But on the flip side of 249 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.240 it, why you why are you deciding to rule on this in the way 250 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.240 that you are, and that's and that's the thing we're criticizing. Because we 251 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:02.359 can talk about the wants of the case, we can talk about our own 252 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:06.920 ethics and perceptions of it, but what we're really looking at is that this 253 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.759 is an example of religion infiltrating what it is supposed to be a public sphere. 254 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.799 So yeah, I'm just saying that it's kind of it's a problems. 255 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:19.759 It's a problem. So anyway, Jimmy, do you want to give your 256 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:25.119 final thoughts on this. I think we've said it all. I think that 257 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:27.319 was a very good wrap up. So I think I'm gonna roll with that. 258 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:32.279 You know, I ammiate everybody's comments on this topic. Yeah, Aaron, 259 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:34.039 you got anything you want to say? Rob, Nope, nope, 260 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:40.039 nope. I think we've come. We've beat the dead Southwest. We have 261 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:45.200 beat this horse. So if you want us to cee us be more dead 262 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.599 horses, click above you and subscribe and watch the videos.