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Bill cunning into Great America, and
of course what's happening in public education is

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often a disgrace. It's made difficult
anyway, but when large numbers of shall

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I say, undocumented aliens show up
in public schools, it could be a

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crisis. There have been a few
occasions when the Congress has held hearings on

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the consequences of Biden's border chaos for
k through twelve schools, but it's largely

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a story that doesn't get a lot
of media coverage because it doesn't fit the

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left wing agenda, and therefore you
have to look for outside sources to see

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what's going on. Erica Sansey is
one of the officials of Parents Defending Education.

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I know it's happening here in Cincinnati, also happening around the world.

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I can't imagine what it looks like
in Houston or Austin. But of course

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Erica has expertise when it comes to
Washington, Washington, DC, and Erica

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Sanzy welcome again to the Bill Cunningham
Show. And Erica, can you tell

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the American people just in general?
Before there was an influx of literally hundreds

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of thousands of additional students, many
poorly educated, into our public school system.

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Weren't the public schools under stress anyway? Yes, I mean this is

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just adding insult to injury. The
public schools have been struggling. Even pre

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pandemic, we had very very low
proficiency rates in reading and math. Since

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the pandemic, we've seen the scores
plummet in those areas, and so schools

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are having a hard time with what
they already have on their plates, and

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so to burden them with an influx
of new students, most of whom do

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not speak the language here, and
many of whom have had no formal schooling

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in the past. So it's not
just that you're bringing in new students to

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schools, you're bringing in very high
need students. And these school districts really

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just cannot manage this. And I
look at some of these stories given up

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about thousands. In New York City, there's about fifty thousand additional students going

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to public schools and a population of
nearly one million public school kids. You

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got fifty thousand, that's five percent, but that five percent puts them over

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the top. Also in Washington,
d C. There's something called language acquiestion

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division. Explain what English second language. Let's say you're a twelve year old,

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just show up in a public school
in Washington, d C. Or

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Cincinnati or Chicago, and you have
no education. You can barely understand and

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speak Spanish, which phonetically is easy
for some in Central America but difficult for

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others. So what are the particular
needs of any child that shows up deserving

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a public education? But let's face
it, the school system can't accept them,

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And so it kind of walks through
what occurs when a kid shows up

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at the front desk says, here, I am educate me. What happens,

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Well, the school cannot turn students
away, so really they've got to

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figure out how they're going to navigate
this. And what we did is we

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looked at emails that were going back
and forth, you know, with between

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officials in districts, so that we
could get a sense of like how hard

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of a time they were having.
And again, you're not going to get

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them out of the microphone saying this
is impossible. But in their emails,

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what we see is it's as basic
as trying to figure out space. They

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don't have the physical space, so
they're trying to figure out where they're going

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to put students you see a lot
of the you know, very compassionate people

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feeling concerned that the school that the
child is assigned to is very far away

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from the shelter that's been provided for
them. And then we see a lot

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of talk about how they don't have
the staff, they don't have staff who

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can communicate with these students, most
of whom boot speak Spanish, but certainly

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not all, and so that's become
just another major drain on the system.

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And the other thing is that English
as a second language, or what they

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call English Language learners, those students
usually are students where they know English but

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it's not spoken in their home.
But to have students coming in who have

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no English at all, I mean, that's just obviously puts them in a

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category of a very high need student. And again, meeting the needs of

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one or two is challenging. Meeting
the needs of a massive influx, where

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suddenly a school district is dealing with
one hundred and fifty students in this category

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it is just again really really difficult. And this is coming at a time

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that all of the esser money,
so all the COVID release money that school's

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got that is ending as of September, that money is gone, and so

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school districts were already trying to write, size and recalibrate their budgets as they

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need to and as they knew they
were going to need to. Unfortunately,

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some didn't make good choices about how
to spend that money. But to be

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again burdening them with this influx of
students, it's it's a totally unfair burden

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that the school districts have been asked
to carry, and that in the case

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of the NEA, the largest teachers
union, they've come out against the i'd

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an administration's plan to shut the border
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decrease this number of people coming in
that they are so committed to this ideology

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of open borders they've now thrown their
own members under the bus, saying,

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we don't care how hard it is
for you, this border should stay open.

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It's always difficult, but can you
imagine a ten year old girl showing

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up from Lithuania or Afghanistan or Nicaragua
and have little or no English language skills.

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They sit in a class and do
they test in do they say,

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okay, you're ten years old.
There's supposed to be what in about the

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fourth or fifth grade. You're ten
years old, but you have no educational

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foundation or achievement, and then you
don't speak the language. Someone shows up

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at the front desk. Okay,
here's your schedule. The first class is

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down the hallway in room one.
Ten go into that classroom and sit there,

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and they have no ability to understand
what's being said, and they have

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no foundation of the first four to
five years, which allows one the building

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points to become more academically disciplined.
So what happens to the ten year old

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who can't speak of the English is
our Do schools have to assign a mate

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with them who understands both dialects or
both two or three different languages to communicate?

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How does that work? I mean, in a perfect world, they'd

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be able to assign someone to them, but those people don't exist. The

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school district doesn't have the staff for
this, and so what ends up happening.

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And I've actually seen this back when
I worked in schools. Lots of

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times kids just have their whole day
wasted because they are because they have been

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enrolled in an institution or facility that
cannot meet their needs. Now you can

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get lucky and you can have.
It could be that the school has somebody

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who who knows the language is great
with working with newly arrived migrant students.

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Like you can see progress, but
everything has to align for that to happen,

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and that's usually in very small numbers. The problem right now is that

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places like DC Springfield, Massachusetts,
which is tak Kansas, another district in

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Wisconsin. I mean, these places
are not used to having to deal with

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this number one and they're just completely
overwhelmed. And again they're not getting you

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know, there isn't really much attention
being paid to the fact that these schools

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are being asked to manage a burden
that is unsustainable. I look at some

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of these stories and that what happens
the educational opportunity may I use the term

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regular kids. If you're a regular
fourth grader in Washington d C. Public

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schools, I can't imagine the quality
of education you might receive. But nonetheless,

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it doesn't assist to have classes disrupted
with large numbers of other fourth graders

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that are not educationally appropriate, don't
know the culture, don't know how to

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behave, and can't speak the language, and the teachers have to more or

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less take care of student body that
she doesn't speak a dialect out of a

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f or Central America, and the
kid sits there with no hope of learning.

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What impact does that have on the
kids who've been there for three or

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four years, they're in the third
or fourth grade. Here comes ten kids

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from Southern Asia Afghanistan that have no
idea what you're talking about, don't speak

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the dialect. So what is it
a babysitting service? Well, how does

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it look? I mean again,
it's hard enough to meet all the needs

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of all students in the classroom because
they're often at very different levels. Right,

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So teachers already dealing with the fact
that they've got students who have very

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different levels of proficiency. That is
a massive challenge. So then when you

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bring in new challenges and again,
these children didn't do anything wrong, right,

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and they have a right to be
enrolled in the school according to the

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law. Here, the problem is
these schools are not set up and equipped

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to set them up for success.
So what ends up happening is it's almost

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it's hard for anybody to really get
what they need because the needs are so

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disparate. And this is you know
again, I just feel like the schools

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are already reeling from the pandemic and
trying to recover from that, and this

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just adds another massive challenge that from
a compassionate angle of course, right the

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school districts wanted you the best they
can buy these kids. But the realistic,

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you know, situation, or the
truth about what's going on is like

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they don't have what they need to
be able to do it. And of

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course the leads on because what you're
reporting, Erica Sansei of parents defending education

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is happening every day in every public
school, whether in Minnesota or Maine or

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California. There's something like two million
children have come in the past five years.

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The official numbers eight million total.
And of the eight million, there's

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about two million children who are legally
entitled to a quality public education dispersed all

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over the country, and the school
districts are not set up happening. Whenever

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there's an action, there's an opposite
and direct reaction to what's going on.

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About seventeen or eighteen states now have
educational vouchers. We have in Ohio where

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if you're dissatisfied with your public school, you can take a voucher that's works

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between eight and twelve thousand dollars to
a private school or to a Catholic school

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or some other monastery school outside the
system and parents. There have been tens

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of thousands in the state of Ohio
that have left the public school system,

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leaving behind even a worse situation because
if you're a parent in Washington, DC,

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or Wichita, or Chicago or Cincinnati, and you have a voucher available

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of putting your kid's hands, the
voucher goes with the kid and you can

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get a quality education outside of the
Chicago public schools which are in total chaos,

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complete destruction. You're going to leave
and then what do you leave behind?

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Yeah, I mean the reality is, in my opinion, every single

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family, regardless of their income,
deserves to have options when it comes to

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where they're going to educate their children. And to your point, you know

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there's people who are if you're in
a failing system and you have an escape

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hatch, most of the time you're
going to take it. So what's the

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solution, Erica? Instead of cursing
the darkness, what's the solution of this

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terrible problem which is producing kids coming
out at eighteen years old who have difficulty

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reading their diploma. They were never
failed because it is always socially promoted throughout

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urban America. You never fail,
and you get done, and you basically

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went through about fourteen years of whatever
in the public school system, and you

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come out and you have no quality
education at all. What happens? How

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do you solve the problem? Well, the social promotion is not only in

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urban America, though we've never seen
social promotion in suburban America. I think

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that, honestly, part of it
is people have to get brutally honest about

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what's really going on. I mean, one problem is that nobody wants to

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tell the truth about what's really going
on. So the first thing is is

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to and part of that is because
there is a lot of intimidation around people

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wanting to speak freely about these topics, right, So teachers that are really

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really struggling all with these issues,
they're not likely to speak out about this

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in any sort of public way.
The other thing is that is that I

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mean, again, I was a
teacher for a lot of years, and

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I was a member of the NEA
and two states, and I'm telling you,

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like, the unions are a massive
villain in this. They never talk

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about student learning, student outcomes.
They don't talk about, you know,

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reading and maths proficiency. They are
hyper political organizations now, and so,

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for example, that's why we don't
even see them being supportive in terms of

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helping with this immigration, this influx
of students, because their ideology is such

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that they want the borders wide open
and they don't really care about the impact

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that that's having on their own members. No, teachers are leaving in droves,

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they can't can't take it anymore.
And lastly, if after November or

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the same philosophy remains in charge,
and we have the next four to twelve

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years of open borders, whether it's
whether it's Biden or Kamala Harris or Gavin

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Newsom wherever, it might be,
all interchangeable left wing drill bits. If

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that policy continues the next four to
twelve years, what's the state of public

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education all over the country after twelve
more years of this? I mean,

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I have this. I have concerns
about the state of it now currently.

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And so if we do not get
our arms around this and begin making you

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know, hard choices, but hard
choices that are good for students and families

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and teachers, we're going to be
in trouble. Teachers will leave, counselors

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will leave, Education will become double
and triple and price. Citizens don't want

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to vote additional levies to support the
schools that aren't functional. You've got to

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build brand new building. Schools have
become also now welcome wagons. They've become

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language centers, They've become nursing centers
and medical centers. They've become psychological service

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centers. They've become feeding stations.
All these things in the past were handled

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within a family or a community,
and families and communities don't exist anymore.

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And I don't see a way out
of this until we stop what's in other

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words, before you start about drain
draining the swamp, stop the inflow.

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And we can't do that until we
stop this happening of literally two million kids

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have entered America in the past four
years, two million dispersed all over the

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country. And if that accelerates these
days, the same public education is done.

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And I don't know what happens to
our great and use to our magnificent

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cities. You know, America,
for a long time we had magnificent American

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cities, majestic American cities, and
all of them are being destroyed in one

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way or another because of crime and
lawlessness and lack of faith, lack of

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family. And it's not lack of
funding, because Washington DC public school kids

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get about twenty two thousand dollars a
year each from the Congress, and they

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want more money, and they want
more money because of the failure of the

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board and border policies. But all
right, Erica Sanzi, go ahead,

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please, Finnishop, I was just
going to say, most of that money

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never makes it to kids, and
it never makes it a classroom, so

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you know, obviously they're terrible stewards
of the money. And the last thing

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I would say is that if we're
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institutions, right, you know,
we're going to provide you with all the

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services that you need, then we
need to stop calling them schools, right

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because schools are not meant to be
places that provide every single need for a

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family. They're meant to be institutions
of learning. Now the goal is higher

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learning or secondary learning. The goal
is to come here and get the basics

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and then many at the age of
eighteen, I love the idea of getting

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an electrician, getting a plumb.
I love that some go on to institutions

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of hire indoctrination at the Ivy League, and that's even worse. But I

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can't imagine public education. I don't
care what city or state you're in.

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If these policies continue, it'll it'll
collapse. And the collapse. I think

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it's collapsed right now because I can't
imagine comparing the senior high school or eighth

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grade proficiency rates now till like fifty
years ago, it's not even close.

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There is none, and they're getting
worse, and no one's addressing the real

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problem, which is out the southern
border. It's not money, and it's

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as teachers' unions dominate and they fire
superintendents all the time. Like in Cincinnati,

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we had a pretty good one named
Ironetta Wright, and she had a

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vote after about a year and a
half trying to change things in Cincinnati,

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which is a terrible school district.
The six unions got together voted a censure,

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no vote confidence, and the school
board fired the superintendent and paid off

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about three hundred thousand dollars to get
her out the door. And she wanted

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to make significant changes, and the
six unions in Cincinnati did not want it

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to happen, and we're left and
it's awful. The unions do not like

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people who come in to disrupt the
status quo, so it is very common

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for unions to go after makers,
and what we need are change makers.

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So that is again why I say
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unions are not well represented by their
leaders, and those organizations are nothing but

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political organizations. Now, they do
not represent their members well at all,

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and you know, they are a
big problem. And that is why you'll

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see like a place like Florida is
really taking off academically. They're you know,

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they've they've moved up to the rankings. They think they're now first at

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least in some categories, whereas other
states like where I live, Rhode Island,

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where a high spending, low performing
state, and that is not only

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because of the power of the union, but is definitely related to that.

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All right, Erica Sansey, we
got to go parents defending education keep working.

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It's a tough job, but someone
has to do it. And Erica,

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once again, thank you for coming
on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank

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you, thank you, Erica,
thank you, thanks for having me.

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