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Billy Cunningham, the Great American.
Of course, the brilliance politically, which

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is good substantively of Governor Abbott of
Texas to disperse around blue cities and blue

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states literally millions and millions of unwashed
masses of refugees is having the desired political

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effect. Of course, as an
American, I don't worry about politics.

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I worry about the survivability of our
country long term and the election this is

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November. How many times have you
heard, as a great American that this

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is the most important election of your
lifetime. Well, if Joe Biden makes

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it to November the fifth, which
is highly unlikely, I think Gavin Newsoon

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is being groomed to take over,
and or Michelle Obama. And if these

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policies continue the next four to eight
years, the country will not exist as

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we know it. And of course
Eric Ruark is with Numbers USA. They

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have the facts of the statistics and
more. Eric Ruark, welcome again to

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the Bill Cunningham Show, and Eric
going back in time. Numbers USA has

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been around a long time. Could
you have conceived in your worst nightmare the

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idea that in a four year stretch
is going to be about twelve million identifiable

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illegals inside of America on top of
the twenty eight million here previously, that

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gets to forty million. And they
had, on top of that the idea

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that the Democrats are promising more of
the same. Could you have envisioned the

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country in this batter shape when it
comes to illegal migration, No, I

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could not. And I mean you
think about and we and under President Obama

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there wasn't massive surge, but it
was nothing compared to what we're seeing now.

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And the difference is President Obama did
take steps we would say they weren't

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adequate or they weren't sufficient to really
solve the problem. But you know,

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when President Biden came in and said
I'm going to, for instance, get

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rid of rominam Mexico and the other
things he was doing, You're thinking,

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well, once they realize what the
effect that this is going to have,

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which they should before they do this, but it's going to become obvious,

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and you think, not just as
a policy person but as an American that

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they will not let this happen.
But they continue to let it happen.

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And after the Senate bill fell failed
last week, they said it's all Donald

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Trump's fault right, and that's sort
of where we're at right now. We're

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just not having rational conversations where we
can see what's happening. The effects are

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being felt all around the country,
including a demonstration traditional Democratic strongholds Chicago,

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New York. To point out a
couple and the administration is saying, you

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know, we can't do anything until
Congress acts, and Congress is saying,

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well, least the Senate was saying, well, let's do what you would

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you like, and then we can
move on to our other priorities. And

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that, I think is what's most
stunning to again, not just a policy

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person, but to Americans is the
border. Having a secure board seems to

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be at the very bottom and on
the priority list for a substantial number of

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Congress Members of Congress. They want
to have a deal, just to have

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a deal and then move on to
what there are other priorities, which is

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funding Ukraine or Israel or whatever else
it is, which may be important issues,

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but it doesn't take precedence over having
a sovereign, secure US border.

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Well, I watch MSNBC now and
then so you don't have to. On

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one of the morning shows, one
of the democratic left wing political activists said

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that this was a gift handed to
Joe Biden by the Republicans. They're going

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to tag the Republicans and Donald Trump
with the problems on the southern border because

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the Republicans would not go along with
a four hundred page bill which provided free

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attorneys for every illegal immigrant coming across
and a pathway to citizenship and also of

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voting rights, et cetera. And
because because of politics, how's it conceivable?

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Eric Drew ark that the average Americans
American would say, you know what,

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that Joe Biden is tough on the
southern border, and the problem of

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the report publicans can they sell that? Well? That's it? You know.

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I was talking to a reporter about
this, and my point was,

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you know, every all the discussion
that we've seen in the reporting in DC

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is about the deal. That the
fact that they had a deal, of

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bipartisan deal though really it was McConnell
and Schumer which worked it out and they

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said this is the best you can
get, and so either take it or

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leave it. And it was a
terrible bill. So he said, no,

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thank you. You know, you
know, we weren't that polite.

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We pointed out how terrible it was, and I said, there's not really

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any discussion about the details. In
his response was, well, I'm a

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political reporter. You know the details
aren't important to me as the politics of

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it, but that's how DC works. But I also made the point.

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President Biden went out today after the
bill failed and said, again, this

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is all President Trump's fault. And
you know my point, and I think

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it's correct. Even people who don't
like Trump but will never vote for Trump

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aren't going to buy the argument that
he was soft on the border because some

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of the reasons that Democrats don't like
him is they thought he was way too

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tough, right, Yeah, So
to say that president President Trump caused this

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and is responsible for, you know, the current Congress and the current administration

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from taking steps to end it,
I don't think that the President Biden can

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sell that. And it seems to
me really a bad strategy for President Biden

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to want to make the upcoming election
about the border when you're running against Donald

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Trump. Whatever you want to say
about Donald Trump did secure the border.

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When you and when you compared to
President Biden, there's just no there's no

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way to say that President Biden is
tougher. And I'm not a Democratic voter

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base voter, So I don't I
can't tell you if that plays with me,

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but I certainly would think it's going
to be a really tough sell.

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Now you have a posting at Numbers
USA that says, the following American history

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is full of rags to riches immigrants
stories. They're rich and important. Today's

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immigration policy, however, is the
reverse robin Hood program. Instead of the

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unwashed masses showing up at Ellis Island
and then distributed all over the country by

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train, and then these Hibernian societies, Germanic societies would take in these refugees

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and they would have to get to
work because nobody was getting one thousand dollars

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prepaid credit card, nobody was getting
an Obama phone, nobody was getting free

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food. Forever, it was an
opposite system. You had to work,

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in fact, to become a legal
immigrant. Today, a legal immigrant there's

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quotas on about eighty countries and it
takes three to seven years from the time

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you apply. You have to provide
your access to your criminal record in your

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home country, had provide your medical
records. You have to have a person

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inside of America that will care for
you, economically, it won't be a

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dredge on society. And you have
to have a skill the country needs of

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one type or another. We don't
have a country anymore that needs millions and

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millions of unwashed masses working in factory
systems or in farms. Had done you

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know that the policies of the of
the nineteenth century don't apply in the twenty

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first. It's not true of liberty
was created in like like the eighteen seventies,

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eighteen eighties, a completely different America
than we have today. So explain

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how immigration, how it should work, which is America has these needs.

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This is the person we're letting in. You'll become a citizen. I've sworn

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in a citizen group or two down
in federal court, in which a federal

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judge asked me to come on down
to give a speech about America and to

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swear in the new immigrants. And
they could not been a greater group of

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people. They were friendly, they
were happy, they got their citizenship papers.

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They're ready to go, ready to
vote, ready to get to work.

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How is that? How is that
not what applies today? You know?

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And I've been to a naturalization ceremony
myself and it's a wonderful thing to

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see and take part of. Yep, you know, and a lot of

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people the argument on the other side
as well, everyone who showed up at

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Elis Island got into the United States. Well that's not true, because lots

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of people weren't allowed to show up
at Alice Island. Lots of countries were

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barred from coming sending people here.
But also a lot of people who did

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show up for various reasons were not
admitted, including political views. Right there,

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there were restrictions, and people sort
of point out it wasn't until recently,

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you know, the twentieth century where
he actually had the restrictions. We

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never had open borders in the US, no, But also that you're right

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to point out our political system we
didn't have well we didn't have an income

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tax for one in right till twentieth
century. But we never had a welfare

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system for people United States citizens or
immigrants, but particularly for people who showed

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up here who were in missible,
who snuck into the country. Were giving

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in the case of Chicago, nine
thousand dollars and seams a month, and

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it's been reported that Mayor Adams in
New York wants to give people who are

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illegally in the country ten thousand dollars
in cash, and that's coming from taxpayers,

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and that is an incentive the people
who are showing up, they're making

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a rational decision. If they can
go to New York City ten thousand dollars

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in cash, why would they not
do that? Because our government is sending

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the message not just we'll let you
in, but that we're going to let

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you in and provide for school,
public education, healthcare, cash money assistance,

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housing assistance. And the difference is, you're right, we don't have

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the need as we did in nineteenth
century when we're undergoing Industrial Revolution for workers

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coming in. But we also romanticize
that history. We don't point out that

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these people were being exploited, and
the same thing is happening. And so

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what we're seeing in the twenty first
century are increasingly nineteenth century labor conditions for

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people. We see child labor again
on the rise, and that is entirely

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due to people coming over the border
illegally and being allowed to work in the

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US and being exploited by employers.
And that's a real tragedy that unfortunately too

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many people, particularly who are traditionally
Democrats. They're not standing up for workers,

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They're standing up for the people who
are exploiting them. And we do

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see some movement within the Republican Party
to say no workers should be exploited,

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whether they're American or not. But
we also need to make sure that American

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workers come first and foremost, and
that's a really powerful discussion debate that's taking

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place within the Republican Party. But
also we're seeing a political shift when it

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comes to who is representing American workers
in DC. Now I'm not President Biden.

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I assure you of that. No, I'm holding a story about the

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workers shortage. Liberal Democrats tell us
we need these unwashed masses to come in

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here because Americans will not take jobs. Everywhere I travel on the highways and

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the byways of the tri state Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, and you're from

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a different part of the country,
I see employees want it needed. How

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Come we have large numbers of illegals
in this country, We have large numbers

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of Americans getting public assistants that refuse
to take entry level jobs like in fast

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food restaurants or elsewhere. Is there
a worker shortage that legal immigration is going

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to solve? No, the answer
is no, but there are certainly and

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we can't deny that there is a
difference in if you want to say work

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ethic or at least Americans who are
willing to take certain jobs. Well,

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we can't just say, well,
that's because Americans have all of a sudden

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gotten lazy or you know, past
decade or whatever it is. We have

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to look at long term conditions,
which includes pay and you know, you

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know, health care benefits that are
that are being provided. And if you're

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an employee or excuse me, an
employer, and the federal government and state

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governments in many cases are allowing you
to hire someone maybe you're paying them off

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the books, or you're not paying
payroll taxes, or you're not paying for

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their health care. That is a
substantial savings to an employer. And so

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that the and it's an incentive for
someone to come in from another country because

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they may not be making as much
as a US worker would make, as

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a legal worker would make, but
the incentive if they're making more than they

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would in their home country. But
if they have a child here, they

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get free health care, i mean
pre education, and their child is a

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US citizen. If that child is
born here. So that's what we're talking

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about when we say incentives. What
incentives are there for lots of Americans to

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take a job which is going to
pay you below poverty wages and isn't going

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to offer you benefits when in something
we've looked at COVID, people were making

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money, more money from the government, or at least they were making enough

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where they weren't motivated to go back
into the workforce. And we need to

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make sure that we don't just dismiss
At this point, there's thirty seven million

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US born people between the ages of
eighteen and sixty four who were not in

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the labor force. Thirty seven I'd
just say, well, yeah, thirty

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seven million, and we just can't
wipe them away. They exist, and

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we need to help them get back
into the workforce and become productive citizens.

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It's not just because they're helping our
economy. It's because it's good for them

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as individuals to be It gives them
value right in their lives that they're not

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sitting at home. Right if you're
sitting at home doing nothing, the chances

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are you're not going to be number
one very productive member of society. But

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also probably not very happy as an
individual. And we see that with crime,

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with drug use, with the you
know, suicides and death of despairs.

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This is a real problem that our
government is saying, well, we

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have a worker shortage. Well what
about the people who are here? What

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do we do about them? We
just don't, you know, consider them

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a statistic on the books that we
can ignore at our convenience. And you

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know, I'm reading this column by
a story at Numbers USA by Roy Beck

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that any put together on January twenty
fourth of this year, quote the worker

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shortage myth depresses Black wealth, and
it goes back into the eighteen hundreds,

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and that when I watched some of
the interviews out of Chicago in which citizens

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are saying African American citizens are saying, we don't want this to take but

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it's a long history of the Democratic
Party misusing their core voting base, which

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are Black Democrats, to advance their
causes, which is hurting black employees and

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depressing black wealth. And if someone
has time Numbers USA, the workers shortage

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myth depresses Black wealth. It's a
wonderful historical treatise by Roy Beck as to

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how this began and how Philip Randolph
and WB du Bois and others forced Congress

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to depress annual migration because it was
hurting the black workers. And I think

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there's the inkling, the beginning,
maybe in Chicago and New York and the

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Los Angeles of black Democrats thinking,
you know what, I've been a Democrat

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all my life, and look how
I live, look at my schools,

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look at my environment. Promises are
made repeatedly by liberal Democratic politicians, but

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the rubber never hits the road.
And by the nineteen sixties, the share

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of the black households that were considered
middle class had expanded from two to ten

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to seven and ten. And then
all of a sudden the doors swung wide

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open with the Great Society, and
then today in the last several years by

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liberal Democrats. Can you briefly explain
how that the current immigration policies of the

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Democrat Party hurts Black Americans. Well, you know when we talk about what's

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known as the Great Migration, which
is Black Americans who moved from the South

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to the north to take Detroit or
you know, the manufacturing centers Cleveland and

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Ohio would be another example. This
came at a time when there was low

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immigration, which started in twenty four
and went to nineteen sixty five. And

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so the economic gains for Black Americans, the greatest economic games by far,

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came during periods of low immigration because
employers didn't have a choice of bringing in

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people from other parts of the world
and employing them. So black economic standing,

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you know, when we talk about
the black middle class, that really

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came about in the mid twentieth century, and the Democratic Party traditionally did recognize

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that. You know, we go
back to Frederick Douglas and Brooker T.

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Washington, but even up to Scott
King and Barbara Jordan, who was one

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of the most prominent members of the
Democratic Party in the twentieth century. And

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one of the reasons that Numbers USA
was founded because of Jordan commission she chaired,

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and one of her main concerns was
immigration policy. People who make immigration

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policy must be concerned about the most
vulnerable Americans. And yes, it's true

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that all American workers are hurt by
mass immigration, but we also need to

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understand that Black Americans throughout history have
disproportionately been hurt because they're always as roy

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Beck's book is entitled, they're put
at the back of the hiring line when

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it comes to getting jobs. So
you're saying the Democratic Party's policies hurt,

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hurt the Black Americans who vote for
Democrats about ninety percent of the time.

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And at some point a light's got
to go on and the Stockholm syndrome must

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be reversed and the Black Americans have
to understand what the Democratic policies have done

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for them. Eric grew Ark,
we got to run once again Numbers USA.

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It's a wonderful site. I haven't
touched on the budget deficits, the

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economic and fentanyl, the human trafficking, the slavery on the Southern board.

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A haven't got into that. We'll
do that to some other point. Eric

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grew Arc, Numbers USA. Thank
you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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God bless you and God bless America. Thank you, Eric oh all,

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it's great to be on with you. Very good. Thank you all.

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Let's continue with more. Well,
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