WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:15.679 You know, we um it's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do this 2 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:19.079 for September eighth, twenty twenty three. For the next hour or so, 3 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:22.559 let me help you sort through the world of gaming on Game Mess Mornings Live 4 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:26.600 with Me Jeff Grubb. Today is a it's a major Nintendo franchise, finally 5 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:30.600 making a comeback after almost twenty years. But first please join me and welcome 6 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:33.679 me today's co host a Game Mess Mornings. It's Timor who's saying, everybody, 7 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:38.479 dam how are you doing? I am okay, I am very okay. 8 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:42.520 You know, very okay, Okay, I can accept that. What 9 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:45.840 what are we gonna go to make it better? I don't know, man, 10 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:47.920 I don't know if we can get to bad today. I think this 11 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:50.560 is just a very okay day. And sometimes, you know, okay, 12 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:54.159 accept you have to accept that very okay as good enough. Yeah, at 13 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:56.640 a certain point in life, you gotta take those as dubs. You gotta 14 00:00:56.719 --> 00:01:00.000 say that that is a way it could be worse. Yeah. Yeah, 15 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:04.040 is Friday. It's dregs day. So it doesn't mean that things will improve 16 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:10.280 over time, but you know it's for now, it's just very okay. 17 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:12.439 I'll have my tea over the course of the next hour, and then it 18 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:17.439 will improve too. Quite good, quite good, damn if I want to 19 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:21.959 do still be like I have like a starter tea for a boy from from 20 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:26.200 the Midwest. Do you have recommendations? Would you grow up? Would you 21 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:33.040 grow up on? I grew up on very highly caffeinated British like, so 22 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:37.439 for me, like I I wish I wish you were a hair or something. 23 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:40.959 I could make you a chie, like a nice South Asian chie. 24 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:42.760 It's got like it's time we get together to make it happen. That a 25 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:47.599 little bit of spice to it. It's got like cardamm it's got like a 26 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:51.719 little bit of anna seeds. You know, it's it's cinnamons. It's really 27 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:56.719 nice. And ginger is really good. But if if we're talking like if 28 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:01.680 you want like actual kind of caffeinated tea, I would recommend probably Yorkshire tea, 29 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:06.400 which you'll probably have to import to get it here, a little splash 30 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:13.120 of milk, you'll be good. If you're talking about like non like British 31 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:15.680 that I'll tea milk tea. I would recommend starting with a like a mint 32 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:21.400 tea or a jazz mint tea. I think like Twining's is pretty good. 33 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:28.120 That's that's when I can reliably get right Twinings. Yeah, you can very 34 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:32.599 easily right okay everywhere? Yeah yeah. Because I had this spressover this morning 35 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:36.400 and people notice it, I'm gonna be I'll be jittery on the show. 36 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:38.479 There's no way around it. Everybody, we just got to deal with it. 37 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:42.000 But I'm like, I should I should maybe throw some tea in the 38 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:45.319 rotation. That sounds like an alternative that would be very good for me. 39 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:49.919 Tea's very for me, It's very relaxing. I don't use it for caffeine. 40 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.800 My caffeine tolerance is just crazy now because I used to drink tea three 41 00:02:53.840 --> 00:03:00.680 cups a day minimum, two tea bags per cup. Okay, So I 42 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:05.039 was lost in my body to the point where I eventually it had like a 43 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:07.319 full breakdown. And there was a couple of years ago I developed like an 44 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:13.639 intolerance to caffeine. So every time I drink it, I would feel awful, 45 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:17.719 like genuinely sick. So I'd like weaned myself off of caffeine and then 46 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:23.439 came back slowly. And those are British teas as well, So it was 47 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:27.960 intense. Yes, the real deal stuff. Damn, I I gotta say, 48 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:31.560 I'm I'm starting to come back to life personally. I I my brain, 49 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:37.199 my body, everything goes into hibernation in the summer when it's hot and 50 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:42.039 then it falls basically here, it's getting into the sixties finally where I'm at 51 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:45.960 in Cleveland. And then and then football's back and the Lions kicked off the 52 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:47.639 season. I'm a Lions fan, and they played very well last night and 53 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:52.080 say, oh man, it's it's very cool to for that. That's weird, 54 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:55.120 wonderful. Yes, it's one. It's it's it's very strange because they've 55 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:59.759 been bad my entire life. They've never really had a good season. They've 56 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.719 had a couple here and there, flukes, and so they just they went 57 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:06.280 they beat these super Bowl champions from last year and in their in their city. 58 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:11.400 So it's like people are getting their hopes up in a way that I 59 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:15.960 think is very dangerous for a team like the Lions, because I think you 60 00:04:15.279 --> 00:04:17.680 tend to find a way to always be fit. But so far, I'm 61 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:23.360 fun. I'm a basketball guy. My team is a warrior. So I 62 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:26.439 got nothing right now, right, But if you had, I mean you 63 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:29.680 got that good stretch and that teams that seems still fun to watch. Oh 64 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:31.560 yeah, they rule. I mean like it's going to be interesting to see 65 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:35.879 because you don't get into the finals last last season. But let's see what 66 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:40.360 happens this season. I think they're gonna Yeah, I think I think they're 67 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:44.000 They're very hungry, Chris pol Now, we got rid of my boy Jordan 68 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:48.279 Pool, which made me sad. But Jan's boy Draymond Greened, that's all 69 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:53.639 he needs. Raymond. Draymond is the he's he's he's ready. He's a 70 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:57.920 scientist. Uh yeah, yeah. So but mostly I'm just like, oh, 71 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.600 okay, falls here. That means just falls here. I can start 72 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.519 coming back to life and having a personality again. I'm feeling good about that. 73 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:08.040 I don't have to be on autopilots, so I'm looking forward to it. 74 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:10.600 The shows will get spicy. Everybody look forward to that as well. 75 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:13.519 All Right, before we get into this message, to explain what we do 76 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.800 here on this shows most weekdays, I Jeff Greb will help peace your gaming 77 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:19.160 life back together. That includes a breaking news and maybe even some of our 78 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:23.720 own original reporting. For all these topics, I'll get the input of a 79 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.920 bona fide expert who will make me look smart. If you were watching live 80 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:30.240 on twitch welcome. You can always listen to the show later on podcast feeds 81 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.240 by searching for Game Mess Mornings, or find the RSS on giant bomb dot 82 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:38.319 com. You can also catch the show later with chapters and timestamps on YouTube. 83 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.040 Hello YouTube. All right, we have a lot to get into, 84 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:46.360 so let's start the Morning Mess with the return of a classic Nintendo series might 85 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.680 be being teased for an upcoming Nintendo direct. This comes from Tom Ivan f 86 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:55.839 VGC, and of course that's Tom the Machine Ivan. An upcoming Nintendo director 87 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:59.680 could feature news on the return of a classic Nintendo series. It's been suggested 88 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:04.160 that zero news maybe being teased by Twitter user Pioro, who has a strong 89 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:09.680 recent track record when it comes to the Attendo leaks, including outing Super Mario 90 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.839 Brothers Wonder ahead of its official announcement. How do you feel about these leaker 91 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:18.240 names? Tim Lincoln is terrible. We've been here, man, that we 92 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:24.319 have been here, Like, I hope it's true, but I refuse to 93 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:28.160 believe it at this point. I don't blame it if it's If it's really 94 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:33.120 coming back, right, it's a remake and remake. But I just again, 95 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:36.360 I'm not trying to be cynical. I love F Zero, I want 96 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:40.240 F Zero, I just do not. I just do not see a market 97 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:44.240 case for it. Yeah. The best I can get is people know that 98 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:47.879 Captain Falcon from Smash. Yes, that's not enough, man, that is 99 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:53.240 not enough. I feel like the Also, it's like it's been gone so 100 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:56.480 long that people will have a very baseline understanding of what it is. When 101 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:59.560 it appears the broader people, they will look at it and go racing game. 102 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:01.759 And I just don't think racing games hit as hard as they used to 103 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:09.560 think. You have a couple of franchises will make it work for a Grandurismo 104 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:15.519 and Mariel Car is the other exception. I mean, like Ugusoft has the 105 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:20.480 crew which are trying to everyone's one about the crew. Tam about to say 106 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:26.600 it's not popular, but like they make it worse through sheer force or just 107 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.399 incessant releases. They just never stop releasing it and they keep coming and adventure 108 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:35.120 and just through like saturating the market, they get some share of that market. 109 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:38.360 Of that. You're not wrong, that's so true, It's so true, 110 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.240 Like so many things that you BESTOFT does, but especially the crew. 111 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:45.639 I just I would I would love I hope I'm wrong. I just don't 112 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:47.759 see it for F zero like I want to see it. I hope that 113 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:50.560 GX is the one that they do. I would love it. I'd be 114 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:54.439 very excited for it, but for me right now, and maybe it's because 115 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:59.000 it's a defense mechanism where I try to be hurt again, but I'm struggling 116 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:03.399 to see it happen. Yeah, So I'll say that the among the rumor 117 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:09.360 mill for Nintendo stuff since like late last year earlier this year, F zero 118 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.120 g X coming back has been a popular rumor. I guess it's how I'll 119 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:18.680 phrase it. It's one that is, it's frequently reared its head and to 120 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.000 the point where you know, I've never been able to confirm it personally, 121 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:24.920 but it's it's also not one that's been Oh that's easy to debunk as well. 122 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:28.000 It lines up with it to know right now that the way that they've 123 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.879 treated GameCube games as like these are good to pick up, take and move 124 00:08:31.919 --> 00:08:35.919 over to the switch and they'll they'll do relatively well. And I think they 125 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.759 do it in the line of like Metroid Primary mastery. That makes sense. 126 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.080 Yeah, I mean, like that's the reason why I think it would happen. 127 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:48.960 But it's also like, what's the next step in that business case exactly 128 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.759 for Metroid Prime, is there's another Metroid Prime, and also Metroid has just 129 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:58.080 had a moment with Dread, so there's a business case to be made there 130 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:03.440 F zero only really as Captain Falcon is in Smash and that's about it. 131 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:07.679 There's no current business case. Like if they were doing it, and I 132 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:11.759 hope they are, like I said, it would just be like a kind 133 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:13.759 of like a tip of the hat or not at their head to fans of 134 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:18.200 F zero, which I think that we deserve something and they give it to 135 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:22.480 us. F zero when it comes to rumors as well, is also one 136 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:26.279 of those ones where I'm not trying to I'm not trying to like talk down 137 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:31.519 the credibility of this leak up. Yeah, any want. Yeah, it's 138 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.080 very easy to anyone, for anyone to say anything about F zero and get 139 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.799 a lot of traction out of it. It was It's the same for Metroid 140 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:41.600 Prime. It was the same. Anyone could say Metroid Prime. I heard 141 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:46.399 there's a new metro Prime coming and it didn't really matter if you were credible 142 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.639 or not, you would pick up some traction F zero is exactly the same. 143 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.080 Again, I'm not saying this Pyro person or whatever your nonsense name is, 144 00:09:56.080 --> 00:10:00.639 is lying. I'm just saying, like, it's is one that we 145 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.679 have to be careful of. Yeah, it happens so frequently. His his 146 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:07.399 his leaks recently. The one the reason that like people would be like, 147 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.519 oh well, I'm I am choosing to believe this is Uh. It was 148 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:13.120 the Super Mario Brothers Wonder and Super Mario RPG remake that that he was the 149 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:16.360 one the source of those leaks that happened right before that show. So everyone's 150 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:20.919 like ready to believe him, and you know this direct probably is happening next 151 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:26.159 week and uh, and they have to have something in there. And so 152 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.879 it's like maybe that F zero rumor that is a frame like that, But 153 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.840 I also know exactly what you mean. And we've also seen with like some 154 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:35.840 of these lakers who have been very accurate in the past, it's like something 155 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:41.480 changes and then suddenly the sources in a solid anymore that could be happening. 156 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:48.360 I was Priora this morning also tweeted a gift of Donkey Kong from the movie 157 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:52.000 like rolling into the screen. Donkey Kong is another one that we've heard repeatedly 158 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:56.360 as a rumor, But that one is that one seems less easy to pin 159 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:00.600 down because that like it's been all over the place. There's a three ding 160 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.039 Donkey Kong. No, it's a two D Donkey Kong from from the two 161 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:05.159 D Marrio team. It's like, well, now we know what the two 162 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.799 D Mario teams working on. That's definitely not Donkey Kong. Or maybe Donkey 163 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.080 Kong's DLC in there, who knows. So maybe this is the three D 164 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:15.039 Morrow team making a Donkey Kong game. What does that make sense? Well, 165 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.440 they're probably gonna do a Donkey Kong movie after this movie was very successful 166 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.840 and they got Donkey Kong stuff going into Universal studios, so maybe they want 167 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.159 to synergize with all that stuff. It's very easy to take the circumstantial evidence 168 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:30.919 to him and be like, well, of course that makes sense. At 169 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.360 the same time, like, I think that would be a good and cool 170 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:39.360 move for them to be like, here is a new take on Donkey Kong. 171 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:41.480 A separate from what what Retro was doing, separate from what Rare was 172 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:46.879 doing before that and re establishing that character something that they have remodeled the character 173 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:48.039 recently. It's like, oh, we're gonna kind of go in this direction. 174 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:50.080 So I would like to see that, but I don't know, what 175 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:56.080 do you think? I think it makes sense again. Donkey Kong is another 176 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:01.200 one that we have. You know, people who are have the inside knowledge 177 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:07.080 have heard about many many times. Yes, many times, I've heard about 178 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.879 a new Donkey Kong game, like you said, so many times and so 179 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:13.679 many different variations. And the other thing is like things like you said, 180 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.279 change you you of all people know what that happens. Where it's like the 181 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:20.000 amount of times I have been told that, I very quickly have learned that, 182 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:24.399 hey, when someone tells you this is going to happen, like I 183 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.240 don't tell a lot of people because I know that especially Nintendo especially, they 184 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.279 can they can decide, oh, we're actually not going to do this right 185 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.360 now, We're going to save it for six months, and then you look 186 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.799 like a fall for We know for a fact that they did that with Metro 187 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:41.120 Prime Remaster because that was the one that that like radio they like people went 188 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:46.639 back like oh, this was like submitted in Germany in twenty twenty or something 189 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:50.600 like. That's why I did not say shut Metro Prime, because I was 190 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.279 like, I know what's going to happen here, and it happened. Donkey 191 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:56.480 Kong is another one where it has been flowing around for a very long time. 192 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:01.279 It does make sense for it to kind of be the next thing that 193 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.159 Nintendo or anything that Nintendo does. I'm not one hundred percent sure if it 194 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:11.120 would be an internal team, especially given that internal team when when the choice 195 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.879 is make them make a new Donkey Kong which could be good, could be 196 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:18.840 a success, or make them make a new Mario like which is definitely going 197 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.559 to be access regardless. I don't know if you put that team, like 198 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.559 the three D Mario team on a Donkey Kong game, maybe you put a 199 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:31.960 three D Marrio team on Mario and Donkey Kong Squash the Beef game or ever. 200 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.759 Yeah, that's that's what I'm thinking, Like there's a there's a chance 201 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.440 here that you still play as Mario in this Donkey Kong game. Like I 202 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:43.159 think that's a fantastic like unite Donkey Kong and Mario again, since like you 203 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.360 know, from the early days, like go back to that. I think 204 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:50.120 that's such a clever idea. I hope that's what they're going for. And 205 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:54.480 I would love to see the you know, the Nintendo three D team Mario 206 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:58.559 three married team handling that franchise or handling that character. But at the same 207 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:03.080 time, I just would love a new Donkey Going game is great. You 208 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:09.360 know, I love for Donkey Kong. He's he's the European uh Nintendo mascot 209 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.000 of choice for us. Really, I didn't really, I didn't know that. 210 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.080 It's like he's like shows up maybe as frequently as what Mario. No, 211 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:18.879 it's in like it's rare. That made him right, Oh well he 212 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:20.879 would you know, shug hear me about him, made him like a for 213 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.559 the arcade game and then yeah, and then on the current Donkey Kong that 214 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:30.799 everyone thinks I was definitely rare. Yes, that's exactly definitely, he's our 215 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.200 He's our kind of boy. Yes. So yeah. I played ship tons 216 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.919 of Donkey Kong country when I was a kid. Jim Ryan's a big fan 217 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:41.480 of Donkey Kong. He's like another European Let's go, Yeah, let's go. 218 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:48.440 I think that everything you said about Donkey Kong is is spot on. 219 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:50.440 It's something that I would like to see if they have an idea for it. 220 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:54.200 They feel like, I hete we have a really cool thing that we 221 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.759 want to do with this That would be cool. But you're right, I 222 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:00.639 still like, underneath all these rumors, I'm like, the next thing from 223 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.480 the three D Mario team is going to be a follow up to Super Mario 224 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.000 Odyssey. Like they didn't they didn't give DLC for that game. Uh. 225 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:11.120 They that those teams usually work in such a way that, hey, we 226 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.840 have all these extra ideas that we have to on the floor, We're gonna 227 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:15.919 come up with a bunch of extra ideas and a sequel here is going to 228 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.519 build on that. We've seen them do that with Galaxy. We see this 229 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:20.960 is all the team just do that with Tears of the Kingdom. So it's 230 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:26.000 like my expectation has always been that there would be an Odyssey two or excuse 231 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:31.120 me, or some variation on that that follows up on them. But if 232 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:33.159 if you know, there's no reason they couldn't take those ideas and change things 233 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.159 up and and have Donkey Kong in there in some way, that could be 234 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:41.879 cool as well. The timing though, because if this is from the three 235 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:46.159 D Mario team. You would expect that to be a a big, big 236 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.679 release for them, and they was something that they were like, hey, 237 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:54.799 this could do twenty five million copies. Is there enough time to announce this 238 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.600 game and get it launched on the Switch before the Switch two comes out? 239 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:00.399 That That's where I'm like, not, you're about any of this anymore? 240 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:07.559 Yeah, I mean, like the timing is a bit strange, especially with 241 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.360 Wander coming out, and if everything we heard about a new Switch turns out 242 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:15.519 to be true, it could be I don't think I think the Switch to 243 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:22.120 you know what it could it could kind of indicate to us that the Switch 244 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:26.519 and Switch Too might be closer than we realize. And there's like some level 245 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:30.960 of backwards compatibility and also scalability on how a game performs, like or they 246 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.519 could just release two versions of a game. You know. They haven't been 247 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.240 beyond that before, especially when the game that they know is going to be 248 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:41.399 successful, take to Switch one version of this new Merry game or whatever it 249 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:45.559 is and put it out or Donkey Kong game and then also a Switch Too 250 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:51.360 version. They did did that for Breath of Wild and the Wiu and Switch, 251 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:53.840 So it's not beyond them, but it would be a bit strange. 252 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:56.440 Yeah, I guess. Like, you know, people in chat are given 253 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:00.639 a whole bunch of different scenarios here. It's like people, hey, there's 254 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.679 a whole year probably between the now when the Switch two comes out, so 255 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.279 that game can come out and early summer or like March or something like that. 256 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.920 Yeah, I guess so. But it's again like why wouldn't you say 257 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:12.799 it? No, But regardless of if you want to save it, if 258 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:17.240 you're launching a new piece of hardware and you have a Mario game, like 259 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:19.960 you, that's an absolutely slam dunk. Like that's how I feel too. 260 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:22.480 Yeah. I mean like, even if it's a case of like we just 261 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:26.119 put a Mario game out, they're not gonna hold it. I imagine if 262 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:30.559 they have a new piece of hardware out like this, like just put that 263 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.599 thing out right now. It worked for Breath of the Wild and right a 264 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:36.400 Nintendo Switch, so I imagine they're just like, yeah, if it's done, 265 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:37.880 us for that show out with this new thing. I think it would 266 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:44.119 indicate also that they probably have plenty of other stuff working in the works right 267 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:48.039 now that they could launch a switch to console with. Even though they've just 268 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.920 launched a Zelda. They will have a two D Mario on the switch, 269 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:53.759 and then something from the three D Mario team, and if that goes on 270 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:56.119 switch one, it's like, well, what's left on for the system? 271 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:00.079 But this is a Nintendo that is working in a very different way. We'll 272 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.599 talk about it here. Actually, let's get through it right here in this 273 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:08.839 story. Tam I know you talked to Tezuka Tessica about Super Mario Brothers development. 274 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.839 Here's like a little bit similar to what you told me. But I'll 275 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.440 ask you if your thoughts on this afterwards. Super Mario Brothers Wonder dev's had 276 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:19.799 no deadlines during the prototyping phase. This is from Jonas Maki at Game Reactor. 277 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:22.880 The two D games in the Mario series have long lagged behind the three 278 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:26.759 D releases in terms of introducing new creative elements and mechanics. However, this 279 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.680 looks set the change with the upcoming Super Mario Brothers Wonder, which introduces a 280 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:34.680 number of gameplay innovations and power ups, not least the ability to transform into 281 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:38.200 an elephant. The fact that the game appears to be more experimental may have 282 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:41.599 something to do with the fact that Nintendo had no internal deadline during the game's 283 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:47.799 prototyping phase. The game's producer, Takashi Tessica told Wired, I wanted to 284 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:49.960 prevent people saying from saying, we won't make that deadline. So that's why 285 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:53.400 we didn't do it. We can't do it. Whether Super Mario Brothers Wonder 286 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:56.720 actually feels as fresh to play as it looks, we'll find out on twentieth 287 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.640 October. Tell you know what, it feels pretty fresh after we played it 288 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:04.960 twice. Damn. So you've talked to Tessica and you had he told you 289 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:10.359 something similar. What's the vibe you got like that this no deadline thing during 290 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:11.640 the prototype and phase. It's something he touched on with you. We talked 291 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:15.279 about in this interview. Clearly this is something that they think is unlocking some 292 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:19.119 extra potential in this Mario game, right. Yeah. So I spoke to 293 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:22.759 Tescasan and Morrison, who both worked on the game, and they've worked on 294 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:26.519 They're like they worked. You look at their credit list and you're like, 295 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:32.319 god, damn, they like or a year of Mario and then yeah, 296 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:36.880 Tesica did getting one of my favorite games of all times in one of them. 297 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.880 I think maybe Morrison also worked on a metroid know and then so they 298 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:42.319 know what they're doing. Yeah. And their general thing was like, we 299 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:48.000 didn't set a deadline up until we were a year out from completing it, 300 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.559 so it was cases like the prototype phase, etc. Essentially, they were 301 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:55.079 like, we'll figure it out once they have the rock solid foundation and know 302 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:59.000 exactly where they're going. That's when they were like, let's set this deadline. 303 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.960 Yeah, And I think that's definitely been It's clear that every part of 304 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:11.960 the development process and like the workflow and pipeline was designed to ensure that they 305 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:17.160 were coming up with the most interesting ideas and being able to execute on them. 306 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:19.440 I think the thing, the thing that everyone is latching onto is that 307 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:25.640 there were no deadlines because that's something that's very commonly discussed in video games, 308 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:30.359 both people who cover it and have like a professional insider interest in it, 309 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:33.359 but also people who play games. They know that deadlines can be a big 310 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:36.920 issue when it comes to when it comes to developing games, and it's and 311 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:38.880 it's a it's good to see that stuff. For me, what they told 312 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.839 us, like me and Lucy did the interview, and what I found more 313 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:47.039 interesting was they had no kind of like barriers on who could submit ideas for 314 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:51.359 Wonder another thing which is a very very cool thing. So like basically they 315 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:53.759 were like, we're making a new Mario game. If you have an idea, 316 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:59.960 holler at your boys. And they said, like a bunch of ideas 317 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.400 is that they actually ended up using came from the sound team as more than 318 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.319 anyone else. So that's why it's like a very different kind of game. 319 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:11.599 And also from based on discussions, I had a lot of the development team 320 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:18.920 on Wonder is very very young, and Tesca and Mari indicated that like they 321 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.400 were the young staff or challenging a lot of the kind of taken for granted 322 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:27.119 elements of Marry experiences. Namely, we talked about this, for example, 323 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:32.480 we talked about this in the interviews, like there's no timer on those games, 324 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:34.279 on those levels anymore, like and that was something and one of the 325 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:37.359 younger a couple of the younger team came up. I was like, do 326 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.160 we need a timer on this? Why is this a thing? And they 327 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.880 laid reassessed it, and it turned out they didn't need a timer on it, 328 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.160 which makes perfect sense because when we were playing it, we didn't want 329 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:52.119 to run forward. We wanted to goof around and explore and do stuff, 330 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:57.119 you know, and it made perfect sense. The idea of a game where 331 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:03.759 you're collecting this item had does something different each time, or like does something 332 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:08.279 different depending on stage, inspires wonder and if it's doing that, the last 333 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:11.680 thing you want is people just legging it forward and not really taking the time 334 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:18.640 to have fun with it. So yeah, it seems like the lack of 335 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:22.359 a deadline is just one of many things that Nintendo did to create a well, 336 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:29.759 or at least they present as creating a very comfortable, very open, 337 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:37.359 very kind of idea and new Blood driven development and ideation environment. And based 338 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:41.400 on what we've played, which is admittedly a extremely limited slice, a very 339 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:47.319 small slice, it seems to have some magic that Marya hasn't had before, 340 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.519 which is very exciting. I mean again, we could be getting debated pretty 341 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:56.599 hard, but a limited slice, but I am extremely interested in seeing what 342 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:00.839 else is in that game. Yeah. I came home and my kids wanted 343 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:04.200 to play a new Super Mario Brothers You Deluxe, Damn, and I when 344 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.839 I was playing that, my main I this is actually kind of rough for 345 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:11.480 me to go back to after playing Wonder just a lot. It just feels 346 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:18.839 static and and stayed and just kind of like it's just there's something musty about 347 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:22.039 it where it's like, God, it doesn't look alive. It doesn't. 348 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:26.640 Yeah, sure it plays like a Mario game, yeah, but it's the 349 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.720 creativity just isn't there compared to Wonder. Yeah. I talked to Jan about 350 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.759 this quite. We all talked about it once we played. But like, 351 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:37.920 this is a game, these are changes and this is a different tack than 352 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:42.400 it needed to take, primarily because you know, they have technology now that 353 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:47.680 can support it, but also we live in a post Mario movie world now, 354 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:52.799 and Mario Movie was an incredible, big success, but it's weird to 355 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.839 say that it probably created new fans as if there are still people who don't 356 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.480 know don't like Mario, which is wild, but they're death finitely are. 357 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:03.319 I mean, Lucy mentioned it on on the podcast that we did from the 358 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:11.039 Bed Jan's Room at Hotel Room. Her nieces are now into it and they 359 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.640 weren't before. But like, this is a post Mario movie. Mario game 360 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:21.680 and the Mario movie set different expectations now because you're seeing Mario in a way 361 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:25.359 that you never have before like close up, you get to see him emoting, 362 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:27.759 You get to see them having personalities, you get to see them speaking 363 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:33.559 more than we have ever seen. If you if you kind of create the 364 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:37.160 new fan base with that movie, who you know, are now interested in 365 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:40.240 playing games, and then the first game you release after that is a the 366 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:45.119 same kind of very pulled back. We can't see Mario's face not emoting. 367 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.079 You know, she's not emoting. It's very limited in terms of the personality. 368 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.400 You're gonna have a bit of an issue there with consistency, and you 369 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.720 want to make the most of the kind of amazing performance of the movie. 370 00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:00.880 And the way you do that is by upping the game on how it's animating, 371 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.359 how how it shows the personality, and it does it in more ways 372 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:07.839 than just like expressions as little flourish his hair in there. That makes you 373 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.160 feel like, oh, they have really thought about making every aspect of this 374 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.079 charming in a way that yeah, kids and newcomers and people who have come 375 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.640 from the movie will be like, this is my Mario yep, and I 376 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.599 think I mean take it so like the game, it looks very promising because 377 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.000 of all that, and like we're film pretty good after playing it and it's 378 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:30.319 like, that's that's awesome for Mario. Is Nintendo applying this similar level of 379 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:34.440 thinking about, Hey, a long prototyping phase something that you know, when 380 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:38.319 developers refer to this concept, they call it the process. And it's actually 381 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:42.799 Mark Sarney's credited with coming up with this of a very long prototyping phase and 382 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:48.279 then at least almost certainly at least the same amount of time later spent on 383 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.759 actually defining the fun and polishing it up and stuff. And Nintendo's like, 384 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:55.279 hey, yeah, that's working for us. Respond is famous for this. 385 00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:59.519 They have really long phases. It's the process that gave us NACK one and 386 00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:04.200 nack that's right, clearly against that, clearly it's unassailable. That's damn right. 387 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.799 So but you know, you hope that. Okay, So if we 388 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.319 go back to that, looking at or we got a Zelda recently, we 389 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:15.359 got a we're getting a two Dmorrio, we might be getting some from a 390 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.240 three Dmorrow team going into and all that could happen before a switch too is 391 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:25.519 here. Clearly they will have either decent backward compatibility upgrades something to make all 392 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:29.119 those games be there day one for a switch too in some better form that 393 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.119 seems likely, But that's not exactly what we're thinking. We're like, Okay, 394 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:34.200 how do you have a strong launch with new games? Well, the 395 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:38.319 truth is is that they have maybe they have some of these other teams work 396 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.920 doing the similar thing of taking a long time to get stuff ready, and 397 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:44.319 they think that those some of those games are going to be promising and a 398 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.200 very strong way to launch of Switch Too. I guess we'll see. That's 399 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:52.440 I I has think. I think it's more likely that we get an fdo 400 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:56.640 or remake for Switch two than for Switch one. Yeah, I could say, 401 00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.000 what one the one that's really curious to meet TAM's Metroid Prime for everyone, 402 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:03.119 And it's just kind of defaulting to this idea that Metric Prime four is 403 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:04.960 going to be a switch to game now and I still like, I still 404 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:07.160 think they try to get it out on the system, which means we would 405 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:11.720 have to come out soon in the next year. Yes, And yeah, 406 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.480 I mean, given the was it the development reset thing that they did fairly 407 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.799 recently could be weird. It's that might feel recently, Tampa, I think 408 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:23.799 that's like been four years now. It's been like four years, which week 409 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:27.599 because they have not said shit sets It's been completely silent. So I mean, 410 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:32.240 that's that's the That's the Nintendo game I won the most. Like I'm 411 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.880 when it comes to the Interno franchises, I'm a Metroid boy. I love 412 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:41.079 Zelda and I love Mario, but one million percent I'm a Metroid guy and 413 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:45.720 and like that's the one I'm desperate for more information on. But yeah, 414 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.759 also like I'm just to plug it again. I will have my Mario interview 415 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:53.079 next week. Fantastic. I wanted to have it up this week, but 416 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.759 it's been so busy. I also asked them, like why they took out 417 00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:03.079 the interactions between is, you know, picking up each other and being menaces 418 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:06.680 and that kind of stuff. And it's got a really interesting but very obvious 419 00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:11.359 kind of like uh answer to it. Probably not the one that you expect, 420 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:12.240 but I was like, okay, yeah, that makes perfect sense. 421 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.640 And it was funny because when they were answering it, they could also tell 422 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:19.160 that I was. I was like, I was the person causing problems in 423 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:30.119 these themes out It's like, sorry, you can checked on the couch, 424 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.240 And I got very exciting and had to show everybody, Uh, that's a 425 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.440 good kiddie. Look all right, you know what, let's take a quick 426 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.319 break. When we come back, we're gonna talk about Phil Spencer talk about 427 00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:52.200 Elder Scroll six exclusivity and more. We'll be right back after this, and 428 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.200 we're back. We're talking about more gaming news here on Dregs Day on Gay 429 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:02.640 Mess Mornings. Xbox Boss, Phil Spencer us potential Elder Scrolls six exclusivity. 430 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:06.880 This comes from Tom the Machine Ivan as well over a VGC. Microsoft's head 431 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:08.880 of gaming has addressed the subject of whether the Elder Scroll six will be an 432 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:14.240 Xbox exclusive. Following this week's release of Starfield Bethes, the game studio's next 433 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:18.079 game will be a new entry in the long running fantasy RPG series. Starfield 434 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.920 is availed for Xbox Series X and sp PC via Windows and Steam and Microsoft's 435 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.599 game Pass subscription service, which lets players play titles blah blah blah. It's 436 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.759 but as the game studio's first release since Microsoft acquired its parent companies ZeniMax Media 437 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.799 in twenty twenty one. Notably, Starfield is not available on PlayStation consoles, 438 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.279 which it will also be the case for an upcoming Indiana Jones games set to 439 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.640 be published by Bees the softworks. In an interview with Bloomberg this week, 440 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:47.640 Xbox boss Phil Spencer was asked whether Elder Scrolls six will also be exclusive, 441 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.839 and how Microsoft decides whether it's on the right track with this release strategy. 442 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.160 We look at it on a case by case basis with the games that we 443 00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:57.200 build, he replied. We want to make sure our games are available in 444 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.759 so many different places on our Xbox consoles, on PC, also via the 445 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:06.240 cloud. These games can come to almost any web enabled device. We're looking 446 00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.759 at millions of millions of players who will have access to Starfield and other Xbox 447 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.319 Game Studios games. It's really about giving players choice around how they want to 448 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:18.160 play and they build their lives where they build their library of games. Dam 449 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:26.160 I think that I'll just reiterate that I saw the documents in turn, with 450 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.839 the internal documents of how they decided what they were going to do with as 451 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.720 the exclusivity, and basically what it looked like is they did the math and 452 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.119 they saw, yes, we will lose money by when we don't put these 453 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.400 games on PlayStation, but we are. When we look at it, it's 454 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.599 like that amount of money we're losing makes sense in terms of how it will 455 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.720 feel like an investment into game Pass and make game Pass seem more valuable. 456 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:52.480 So they're like they're just doing they're considering it the cost of doing business. 457 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.559 And they decided pretty firmly at that time, And at that time was a 458 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.920 couple of years ago now, but at that time they decided pretty firmly. 459 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.799 But as the games for the most part going forward are going to be exclusive, 460 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.480 especially stuff like Elder Scroll six, which I heard specifically was going to 461 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:12.759 be exclusive. Now maybe that changes. There's always things can always change, 462 00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.920 and especially after going through that that gauntlet with regulators, and maybe you want 463 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.759 to keep keeping things maybe more on the level of regulators, but oh yeah, 464 00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:22.759 you know what, we are going to actually consider things on a case 465 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:29.000 by case basis, So that could change. But mostly I expect Elder Scroll 466 00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:33.720 six to be exactly like Starfield and exactly like Indiana Jones. And Indiana Jones 467 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.480 is maybe the key thing there, because that game was going to come to 468 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:42.359 PlayStation even after Microsoft acquired ZeniMax. But Microsoft made a deal to actually we're 469 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:45.599 gonna pay you a little bit extra, or we're gonna put some stuff on 470 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.480 top to actually see if we can keep it on Xbox only, and they 471 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.519 were able to make that happen. Like, why go through all that effort 472 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.160 if that's not your main strategy going forward? So what do you think here? 473 00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.519 I mean, like, yeah, it's pretty much exactly what you said. 474 00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:01.680 I don't think I have much to add to it. It makes perfect 475 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:08.240 sense. I mean, I still I feel conflicted because the logical part of 476 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:12.160 my brain is like, yeah, I'm unsurprised that they would do that, 477 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.440 But the other part of it is also like I think it's it really does 478 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.799 suck that there's going to be a whole bunch of people who have been playing 479 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:23.359 Elder Scrolls games on platforms that they have continue to own or new versions of 480 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:27.960 and they won't be able to access it. But again, like I said, 481 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.039 it's there. They on that shit. Do what you want. I 482 00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.640 don't care. Like it's I own every console, so I'm much too. 483 00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:40.400 People won't kind of a believe that on the line given online given the last 484 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:45.119 few weeks. But like, I love my Xbox, I love my PC, 485 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:49.279 I love my PlayStation, I love my Nintendo consoles. So as it's 486 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.359 coming out on there one of those consoles, so I'm happy. I'm good. 487 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.119 But yeah, I do, I do wonder, I hope, I 488 00:32:55.200 --> 00:33:00.839 wish it was. I wish there was more transparency in the impact that game 489 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.759 Pass has had on games, especially new ones, Like what is the what 490 00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.559 is the kind of translation that is it translating? What is the release of 491 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:14.319 star Field doing to the kind of membership levels and numbers of game Pass? 492 00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:17.720 And I don't know, Like at a certain point, I'm like, Oh, 493 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:21.039 is there going to be a certain point where they look at it and 494 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:25.799 they have released enough major games as exclusives and then reassess whether that strategy is 495 00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:30.160 working, because if they are, let's say they put out of star Field 496 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:36.680 and it does nothing for them in terms of like long term gain for game 497 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:39.000 Pass, Yeah, and then like star Field to like test it against. 498 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:45.440 But and it's like they probably do have expectations of, Hey, if this 499 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:50.920 meets a certain level, then it's working. What what is the strategy shift 500 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:53.920 if it doesn't meet that level? I mean exactly feel like do they make 501 00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:58.319 that call after a game like star Field or do they assume you want more 502 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.079 data points like they've had mid here games coming in and out, Like I 503 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:07.960 imagine like after you've done Starfield, Fauser, maybe even Elder Scrolls, But 504 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:12.559 Elder Scrolls is really far away. I don't think you waited that long tim 505 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.639 and maybe closer to fifty than forty when that game comes out, And that's 506 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.679 deeply, deeply upsetting exactly. I mean, like between Fauser and and and 507 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:25.320 Starfield, I think that's two day appoints. You probably need a few more 508 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:29.119 than that. But I just don't know what else they have coming out in 509 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.599 the near future that they could used to work in. What has what has 510 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.920 the appeal of Starfield? You know, gas yea, Like anybody, I 511 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:43.199 don't. I don't think it's likely, but I do think there is a 512 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:49.159 very small outside chance that the policy is reassessed by the time we get to 513 00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.039 Elder Scrolls. If a bunch of games leading up to their don't hit, 514 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:58.320 and someone says we are keeping these games offer platform for other platforms that will 515 00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:02.000 guarantee us ex amount of revenue when they're old, in the hopes that we 516 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:06.360 get it on through this other service, and that service isn't hitting. With 517 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.119 four games now, top two games, I think it's time to reassess. 518 00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:13.679 And I think that's probably when they do. And if it happens, I 519 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.840 imagine we'll get a kind of ketch up where it's like, oh, Scrolls 520 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:22.599 is coming to PlayStation. Also, we're gonna put out star Field a version 521 00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:24.519 of star Field. We'll put out a version of wherever the game is not 522 00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:29.079 for us obviously because wass locked. Yeah you got you gotta imagine that. 523 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:31.159 Well. First of all, like Phil Spencer's in charge right now. I 524 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.760 think he's fully behind the strategy of these on but he's been doing that job 525 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:37.639 for a while now. He's been doing that job longer than I think almost 526 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.079 anyone has done that job before him. And not just that, like Microsoft, 527 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.199 most of these companies tend to not have leaders that that last this long. 528 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.079 So by the time Elder Scrolls six comes out, he probably will still 529 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:52.599 be there, still be there, still guarantees he will. And so you 530 00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.719 could demagine the world where someone else comes in and they're like, well, 531 00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:00.320 my gut tells me one or two years of exclusivity is good enough, and 532 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:01.400 then we could put it somewhere else. So it's like, who knows things 533 00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:06.559 could change fast? Yeah, yeah, And like I trust Phil to do 534 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:08.519 the right thing. I mean, end of the day, he's an executive 535 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:14.039 who works for a company and there are various pressures beyond that. Beyond just 536 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:15.760 like he seems like a good dude, and I've spoken to him enough times 537 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:20.679 to know that he does really care about video game and he video games and 538 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:22.960 it also really cares about Xbox. So I trust him to do the right 539 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:28.840 thing eventually, or do the smartest thing for the Xbox business and also to 540 00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.440 some degree, the broader gaming ecosystem. And I think, like, if 541 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:36.360 it came to a point where it was like we got we got a holder 542 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:40.519 hands up and say that it's not working and for the greater good, as 543 00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:44.840 they saying hot, for us to you know, make some changes, I 544 00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.519 think they'll do it. Yep, like based like, you're right, we 545 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:52.039 have no idea how they're measuring success. Not really we talked about it. 546 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.400 They say it's successful game Pass in general and stuff like that. But you 547 00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:59.920 know, my most wanted Xbox product, Yes, I don't want and you've 548 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.960 able. I don't want a new perfect doc. I don't want any killer 549 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:07.440 instinct. I want transparency on game boss metrics. That's all I want. 550 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:09.880 And it's like, you know, we can even if it's doing it, 551 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.960 if it's successful. Right now, we know that these companies. It's about 552 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:15.199 growth. It's like, is it growing fast enough? We here it's oh, 553 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.840 it's growing very fast on PC. But that's easier because there's not as 554 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:22.440 many subscribers on PCs. So that makes sense. But we don't know, 555 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.719 but we look at like what evidence we do have before us it. I 556 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:29.920 think it's pretty safe to say a game Pass isn't hurting Microsoft in any fundamental 557 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:31.920 way, even when it comes to selling games. Just like look at at 558 00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:37.199 Ford's The Horizon five. That game had like something like a million concurrent or 559 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.599 not a million, like a million people buy it on Steam and Xbox before 560 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:44.440 it hit game Pass, so it's like that was the more expensive version, 561 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.920 and it seems like Starfield did even better than that, like significantly better than 562 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.119 that. So people are like still buying this game, buying these games that 563 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:53.760 they can get a game pass and they're paying a premium on top of that 564 00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:59.639 to play a week early. So if they're still selling plenty of games and 565 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.199 game ass is getting like this this sort of different angle at a different kind 566 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:05.400 of player, that's like, I'm not sure about buying so many games. 567 00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.039 Subscription makes more sense to me. It's like this two pronged attack does. 568 00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:12.760 It does seem like it's working based on what we could just view out in 569 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:14.920 front of us, But it's like, we just don't know if it's growing 570 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:16.440 fast enough for them to be happy with it internally, and that's something they're 571 00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:22.679 Eventually they might tell us, but who knows, all right. Jean Claude 572 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.159 Van Damn guest stars in Mortal Kombat one and makes a street fighter references from 573 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:30.440 Jason Finnelli at game Spot. Back when Mortal Kombat one's premium editions were first 574 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:34.320 announced, Nether Realm Studios revealed that the action movie stars Jean Claude Van Dam 575 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.559 would appear in the game as a skin for Johnny Cage. Today, a 576 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.320 new trailer showcased how the real life movie star portrays the fictional one, and 577 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:44.639 it's a match made in Hollywood. Those who played as Johnny Cage in the 578 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.039 recent pre order beta tests will recognize the moves on display here, as the 579 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:51.679 Van Dam skin fights exactly like the normal character. There may be a few 580 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:57.840 cheeky extra lines, though, as at one point Johnny Van Dam tells Garis, 581 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.760 I'll play blood sport, you play street Fighter, a reference to two 582 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.719 Van Dam's two of Van Dam's films. Van Damn Don's his look and attire 583 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.480 from the aforementioned Blood Sport, which holds significance in the history of Mortal Kombat 584 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:12.719 in the early nineties. The game was originally pitched as a video game version 585 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.320 of the nineteen and eighty eight film I Love I Love blood Sport, Dam, 586 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:20.159 I love Jean Claude Van dam I'm very excited about this, and it's 587 00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:22.079 like one of my face, I guess, one of my fasts. I 588 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.639 like the thing where I go on TikTok and then I stumble on the hey 589 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:30.000 fun intros to fights from Mortal Kombat and Injustice, Like, here's what this 590 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.079 character says to this character, and oh and here's this character flirting with all 591 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:37.280 the other characters. And it's it's cheesy and hokey and it's fun and I 592 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.199 like it a lot. So I love the getting yes, getting John Claude 593 00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:43.199 Van Dam in on that action sign me up, I'm ready to do it, 594 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:45.360 my fair raise. Yeah. I love that bit where they're like they 595 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.400 come into clash and moms like I'm gonna kick your ass, and then the 596 00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.599 other one's like I wish you'd eat my man. Oh yeah, more combat 597 00:39:53.760 --> 00:40:04.519 baby combat between them cheeks. Yes, yeah, how know how they got 598 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.000 away with a street Fight reference? Fair? Yeah right, that's that's wild. 599 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.280 Yeah, I mean they're not licensing that. I imagine they're talking if 600 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:15.400 they if they have any beef, who who distributed the street Fighter movie? 601 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:21.800 If it's Warner Brothers. That was universal. I want to say, I'm 602 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:24.639 having a God, there's I forgot there's multiple Street Fighter movies. Now it 603 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:30.119 was universal. Okay, so I guess they would have Columbia TriStar internationally, 604 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:34.199 and so I guess they would be speaking to the movie licenses more than anything. 605 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.119 But I mean he's yeah, maybe you say lower case s f like 606 00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:43.679 you play like a street Fighter. I feel like what happens is like if 607 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.199 you were a low tier, low to mid tier product that you're you know, 608 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:50.079 putting out there is make a cheeky reference, people would turn a blind 609 00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.760 eye. But when you're making literally millions and millions of dollars off your video 610 00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:58.599 game, that's when someone goes m that seems like it's worth chasing. We 611 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.119 might get some piece of that part. I think these days the fighting game 612 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:06.440 scene is just like it's not worth fighting with each other. We're we're all. 613 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.039 We all have our our niche or the ones that are left have our 614 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:13.199 niche, and we should just be having not like since cease and desists when 615 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.400 when another game is having fun, even expense, it could be it could 616 00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:21.280 be laying the groundwork for finally that more combat versus three fire. Oh yeah, 617 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.880 any minute I'm hoping for We've been hoping for for ages and this is 618 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:30.599 it. This is how it starts. John Killer Vantam becomes like the the 619 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.639 Nick Fury of that universe, and he like travels into different games and is 620 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:39.280 like setting up his own tournament five characters, bringing more combat characters. Boom, 621 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:45.599 let's go free Street Fighter X Mortal Kombat. That'll be that'll happen any 622 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:50.480 minute, right after which one that never came out Street Fight A cross techne 623 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:55.480 Cross Street Yes, that's right, all right. Twitch Sensation Only Up has 624 00:41:55.480 --> 00:42:00.000 been removed from steams so dev can find quote Piece of Mind and Healing. 625 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:05.519 This from Ethan gootch Echotaku. Only Up is a brutal jankie platformer that blew 626 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.800 up on Steam earlier this summer after becoming a hit with Twitch viewers. A 627 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:12.800 number of controversies later It's Creators has removed the kettkey, turned down the volume 628 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.800 on the TV for me real quick. Thank you. It's Creators has removed 629 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:19.800 the game from Valve's digital store seemingly forever, saying that that they made a 630 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.920 lot of mistakes and need time to heal before making their next game. The 631 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.599 game has kept me under a lot of stress all these months, the game's 632 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:30.719 developer in indie Solo dev wrote in what appears to be the final update for 633 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:32.840 Only Up now, I want to put the game behind me, and yes, 634 00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:36.719 the game won't be available on the Steam Store soon. That's what I 635 00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:40.760 decided myself. This is is pretty similar to what happened with What's the Flappy 636 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:44.079 Bird? Right where the twelfs like, oh I blew up and now it's 637 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:50.000 too stressful and I wanted to go away. Yeah. I mean, I 638 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.800 don't know what they were thinking. I guess it is something that when you're 639 00:42:53.159 --> 00:43:00.360 one person or very small of them and Timmy don't expect. But I feel 640 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.440 like this is what people want most out of their game, right, Like 641 00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:07.039 you, people hope and pray that this happens to them. Yeah, but 642 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:13.199 yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like I get it to a certain extent, 643 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:16.079 you know what form the outside, I'm sure it's it's always like, 644 00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:19.400 hey, that just seems like a lot of money. You keep it to 645 00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:23.760 keep the train rolling and keep making more, but maybe it's enough money and 646 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:29.719 at a certain point, so I also think it does genuinely become extremely stressful 647 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.440 because like now there now, there, now there are expectations from this audience 648 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:36.840 that you never expected would reach this level. Like then, now you've got 649 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:42.239 random major streamers who play this game, like you know, I don't know, 650 00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:45.360 like a who's number one stream in the world whatever, like Distortion for 651 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.800 example, He's not number one streamer, but I've seen him do only up 652 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.639 streams like that. Whole community is now like this sucks. I wish it 653 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:53.039 was like this. And then you've got that community on your ass and you're 654 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:57.800 like I just made it a game, please yep, and like the yeah, 655 00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.199 now you're committed to support the game, and then you have to consider 656 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.880 do I I can't do this alone. Do I need to scale up to 657 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.760 bring people on? And some people are just gonna be like I don't have 658 00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.880 it in me to run a business and a team. And the only way 659 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.039 I can avoid doing that now is just by abandoning this game and telling people 660 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:20.360 I'm doing nothing with this. This is it leave me alone? Yep, 661 00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:27.480 exactly, you get good because a clean break. I think that if you 662 00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:29.440 know, if you're on steaming, you bought the game, you're gonna be 663 00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.920 able to get access and stuff going forward, I believe, And then there 664 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:37.360 will be lots of replacements. They're are already a ton of clones. There's 665 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:42.480 like only up like multiplayer clones and stuff like that. And I have to 666 00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:46.400 happen with Flappy Bird as well. But I like these kinds of games, 667 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:51.760 Tam. I'd like the Jinkie weird games to come that people like I remember 668 00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:53.840 at the time, like with flat Flappy Birds. I remember Jason Tryer was 669 00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.119 like, hey, this uses like this is a cop, like just ripping 670 00:44:57.159 --> 00:44:59.559 off Mario Art. And then later he's like, you know what, I 671 00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.440 don't care. I apologize for him bringing that up. Who cares. It's 672 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:05.159 like not that big of a deal. And that's how I feel about this 673 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:08.159 with this stuff where it's like apparently you use like Final Fantasy stuff. I 674 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:13.000 don't care. That's that's square Innex's problem. I en a cop for them, 675 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.039 so to me, that's just kind of like, oh, this feels 676 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:22.039 strapped together in a way that is very bootstrap and maybe a cheap, but 677 00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.840 I just something about it feels punk rock, and I'm into it. I 678 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:30.239 like it, So I'm glad that it burned bright and and maybe a camp 679 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.519 burned for so long. But I will continue to play this game occasionally because 680 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:39.480 I really like it. Atari doubles down on retro buys beloved Atari homebrewmaker. 681 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:45.360 This comes from Benji Edwards at ours Technica. On Thursday, Atary announced that 682 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:50.000 it will acquire Atari Age, a popular online community for Atari enthusiast over for 683 00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.719 over for over two decades. Atari Age is best known for selling Atari twenty 684 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:58.880 six fifty two hundred and seventy eight hundred council homebrews in high quality cartridge form. 685 00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.559 I think they known for selling a baseball cap. That speaker is in 686 00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:05.880 it. Okay, that's Atari itself. That's the proper Atari, that is 687 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.639 definitely known for the speaker. Hat shout out respect on Atari's name. Well, 688 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:14.920 now now the bringing the two together and Atari Age will be under the 689 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.440 actual Atari itself, Atari's founder. Let me see if I have the name 690 00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.239 here, Yeah, Russo I don't have his full name here, but you 691 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.239 Russo, Albert, your Russo. There we go. He will still be 692 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.880 He's gonna be working at Atari now over sin atari Age going forward. And 693 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:34.280 it seems like this the idea here is Atari, yes, really doubling down 694 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.519 on nostalgia, like like Ben J. Edwards says here where it's hey, 695 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.719 we we could take all these ips and officially put them in really nice cartridges, 696 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:44.920 something that attari Age has gotten very good at, and package that stuff 697 00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:46.199 up and put them in collector's editions. And you know who's going to be 698 00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:50.239 interested in it. People who are fucking dead. Yes, that's who. 699 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:54.440 Right now, I'm gonna reanimate and go. I love that game. I'm 700 00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:59.599 gonna buy that I give it off. Do you have any any nostalgia for 701 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.000 that? Eric, It's like I might. I talk to kids these days 702 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:07.119 and they're like, I don't even really care about any sames fucking cares no. 703 00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:12.440 Like I had my phase where I played all the video games that were 704 00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:17.360 important before I was alive. I did my research, I had an academic 705 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:22.800 interest in video games. People don't give a shit, man, They don't 706 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.679 care about these old ass games like the best You're going to be able to 707 00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.880 do is like, you'll get a few people who are like, for preservation's 708 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:30.840 sake, we'll try, and if you do a good job of it, 709 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:36.800 they'll buy it. But like, put out the Atari app on an iPhone 710 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:40.039 stick all your games in there, charge five dollars for it and get on 711 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.800 with your life. Yeah, I listen. For me, the Atari fifty 712 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.800 was the ideal way to experience that stuff. I want the history lesson. 713 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:52.679 I want the stories of Hey, we got really high and it made some 714 00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.760 bullshit and then people liked it and that's weird. Or we were driving down 715 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:59.760 the highway and we saw one of our old our game machines and we saw 716 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:00.840 it, we wouldn't looked at it, and turns out it was one of 717 00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:05.679 the original like six machines ever made. And isn't that wild. I'm like, 718 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:09.039 yes, that's crazy. Tell me more stories like this. But you 719 00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:12.880 know, they've done a Tarry fifty now and I don't know if I need 720 00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:16.199 another one. Was amazing, it was incredible, it was fantastic. I'm 721 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:21.440 not playing the hell out of making the making of Karatica. Yes, although 722 00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:25.119 apparently Jordan Metner says Kara Taka I said Karatcha the first time I was talking 723 00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:30.400 about this. Everyone pronounces it differently, but that that is Oh god, 724 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:34.880 that's so good. That's such a good time, just having these stories told 725 00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.199 to you and then playing the game. And we've got to change the battery 726 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.079 pack on TAM's thing. We lost your camera. Tam. It's okay, 727 00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:43.920 we still got you. We'll wrap it up anyhow here pretty soon. Let's 728 00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:47.400 uh, let's get these last couple of stories. Game stops financial. I 729 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:50.599 don't have about the wet part of it is, I don't have it. 730 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:55.320 Oh no, Jan had a similar issue recently, so that's that's always scary. 731 00:48:55.639 --> 00:49:00.119 You're back there we go. We got beautiful TAM's face. Games games 732 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:04.199 financial numbers are improving. This is from Eddie mcooch Eddie mcco at game Spot. 733 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.840 Video game retailer game Stop has released its latest earnings report and the company's 734 00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:13.400 fortunes are improving. The company's total net sales reached one point one six four 735 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.519 billion dollars for the quarter that ended on July twenty ninth, up from one 736 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:21.559 point one three six billion during the same quarter last year. Game Stop posted 737 00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.760 an overall net loss of two point nine million for the quarter. However, 738 00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:28.239 the net loss of two point nine million was a significant improvement over the one 739 00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.440 hundred and nine million loss from last year. At the end of the quarter, 740 00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:34.760 Game Stop had one point one nine five billion in cash, cash equivalents, 741 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.119 and securities on hand. Blah blah blah. It seems like they are 742 00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:44.800 maybe the cut cutting costs is working for them. I just this has got 743 00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:49.159 to be a company that just finds a level where hey, maybe we can 744 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.880 speak out a profit every couple of quarters, so something like that, and 745 00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:59.000 that's what keeps us floating. There's no world where there's some real like where 746 00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:02.000 Game Stop to take it's over again, right, I don't think so. 747 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:07.000 I mean, didn't they have that that executive come out and go. I 748 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:12.760 think all consoles should have described in it. Yes, that was story was 749 00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:16.480 basically dinosaur says comments. Suck should not come to it. Commets should be 750 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:22.880 outlawed. If you're a commet, don't come anywhere near a planet. I 751 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:24.400 think that they should stay away from us. Make up, we should make 752 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:30.960 a law. Yeah, it's yes. Game Stop out obviously still sees their 753 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:36.519 future as as selling mostly physical games and use games, and that's gonna be 754 00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.800 a ever dwindling market, but I don't think it's gonna It's never gonna go 755 00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:44.800 completely away. So they can find some sort of equilibrium here. Maybe they 756 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:46.840 can justify themselves going forward. But you know these companies, they need that 757 00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:51.039 growth, so I don't think they need that growth. I would suggest game 758 00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:55.079 Stop tries experiment with with better business practices. Yeah, that's I don't think 759 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:59.360 it's an option for that's just they don't know how to give that a go. 760 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.519 Maybe some good will from gamers instead of giving them one dollar for the 761 00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:07.079 game that they bought yesterday and kicking them out on their ass, you know 762 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.280 that kind of shit. Instead of that, how about more fun coo pops? 763 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:12.559 Oh yeah, I love you know what we should do? You should 764 00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:16.559 stop making fun call pop pops of Game Stop executives. I think everyone will 765 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.480 be super into that. I'd be down with that. Uh, last couple 766 00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.800 of things here, I'm just gonna mention as well. Then we'll get out 767 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.480 here. The last of US season two is cast Abbey. They haven't said 768 00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:30.400 who yet, but everyone thinks it's gonna be Sharon Barry. I think it's 769 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:32.360 her name or Shannon Barry. Excuse me, there, we go and she's 770 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.960 from the Wilds and hunters. Uh, people a picture of her. I 771 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.960 think she'll make a fine Abby. Are you worried about the you were we 772 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.639 were a fan of the show, right, have you watched that show? 773 00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.760 I've been watching. I think that I thought it was fantastic. Right, 774 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.239 that's what I thought. I remember. So are you worried about the casting 775 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:50.880 of Abbey? Like, do you feel feel like that's something that's gonna be 776 00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:55.639 difficult for them to get? Right? No? Yeah, okay, okay. 777 00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:59.599 I'm not one of those people that takes on goes to the internet and 778 00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:02.159 is like I cannot believe they cast this person in this role. I was 779 00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:06.960 like, all right, man, no amount of complaining is gonna change it 780 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:09.280 for me or whatever. So just like, I hope the acting is good 781 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:14.119 and I hope that they do good casting in that. See, the problem 782 00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:19.280 is everyone who complains about casting complains from a purely physical level. They look 783 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:21.880 at this person, They're like, I don't like the way they look. 784 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:23.880 They don't look to it like I don't give a show about that, Like 785 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:28.800 if that person looks like completely different. But when you go in there, 786 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.559 they've got the vibe of Abby and they're acting their ass off, like fantastic, 787 00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:36.480 good for you. I don't really care. But if you get in 788 00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:38.880 there and it's like, oh, this person isn't hitting, that's that's a 789 00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:43.480 different that. That's the casting and casting issue I can get behind. It's 790 00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:46.760 like this person just didn't put in the work and like isn't performing well and 791 00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:50.559 isn't embodying in that role. Well, but I don't care. Well they 792 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:57.039 look like well. I learned my lesson there with Chris Evans for Captain America. 793 00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.239 I remember being like, well, that's just a bad choice, STA, 794 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:02.280 that will never work. And I was I was very wrong. He 795 00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:06.320 was a great example. A good example is the One Piece of live action. 796 00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:08.280 Like, I'm watching it. Everyone looks great, none of them can 797 00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:12.280 act. I'm just like, all right, cool, yeah, why would 798 00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:14.679 you do that to yourself? Why are you watching that? I don't know. 799 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:16.639 I love one Piece of I keep I feel like I'm softening on it 800 00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:21.840 a little more. That's something. I think I'm accepting it for what it 801 00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:24.519 is. I don't. I find it very awkward to watch and I feel 802 00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:27.800 like I'm like, oh God, I hope this isn't what people think One 803 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.119 Piece is. Because it very much isn't but I feel like that it has 804 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.599 the spirit. It's got the spirit. I don't enjoy it much. I 805 00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.519 think that the lad who plays Lufy is great, but it's just weird seeing 806 00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:42.039 that kind of level of earnestness come out of a human being instead of like 807 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:49.400 a very time yeah, exaggeratedly animated group of characters. And it's just it's 808 00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.800 the garp. It looks very weird. He's a northern dude with a dog 809 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:59.400 hat, and I'm just like this, man, It's better than Dragon Ball, 810 00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:02.480 is better than Cowboy Beepop. It's very watchable. I just I think 811 00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:07.199 it's because my background with it. I'm one of those weird anime people that's 812 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:08.920 like, that's not what I wanted. I'd sam, I just said, 813 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:14.679 you mentioned the North and I reminded me I played that. Thank you so 814 00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:19.440 much for coming or whatever it is that really cartoon looking game that was a 815 00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.960 showcase. Did you end up playing that at packs? I think did you? 816 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:24.599 No? I downloaded it, but I need to play it more, 817 00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:29.280 okay, because apparently it's got a lot of references that they said people from 818 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:31.199 the north of England will get and I'm like, oh, wait no, 819 00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:34.440 the British one, the British one, British play that, yes, yes, 820 00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:37.639 yes, yes did you did you notice any of that? Because I 821 00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.039 mean, yeah, it's the most British game that me and Lucy what I 822 00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:45.719 laugh and are off. That's exactly because is yeah, I think it's it's 823 00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.159 I think it's called thank God your Hair. Yeah, I think your thank 824 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.159 Goodness your hair. But like it opens with someone going, what's all what's 825 00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.639 going on over here? What's all this? Then? And it's like pure 826 00:54:55.039 --> 00:55:00.719 just ridiculous, like British like sensibility is kind of mix with a little bit 827 00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:05.960 of Warrior where if ye just going around doing things for people and increasingly weird 828 00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.039 mini games and it's just very funny. Yep. I really enjoyed my time 829 00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:12.039 with that final story. Cup Noodles is now making food for gamers. They 830 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:15.480 always have thank you and good night, Yes, thank you and good night. 831 00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:22.039 I don't know there's a report though they always have been understand what the 832 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:27.159 official food? Come on, what's what's going on here? All right? 833 00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.639 I gotta pull from yesterday. We're gonna get to that in a second. 834 00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:32.199 But before that, tam do we got going on? You got anything you 835 00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:36.239 want to plug anything you want to tell people about. They should be a 836 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.559 new episode of spot On going up today, and me and Lucy were chatting 837 00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:43.119 about there's a lot of games. It's just such thing as too many games, 838 00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.760 Like what is the impact of having all these games crammed in together? 839 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:49.760 And we'll probably gonna got some ship for it, but we're just trying to 840 00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:51.719 say, like, you know, it's kind of weird, right, like 841 00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:53.719 we don't do we get to ready enjoy these games. If we're constantly moving 842 00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:58.559 from one thing to another, it is. It is weird and a consideration 843 00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.920 that we should have. But yeah, that'll be up after dark. Podcast 844 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:07.280 will be up today. There's gonna be upf for the crew A hera GB. 845 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:12.239 I think that that is still happening, right, is it gonna happen? 846 00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:14.320 I'm sure what was that was? I should get the pull set up? 847 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.199 What was the UPF? Yes, we're still happening, dead bye Frid 848 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:22.639 dead dead right whatever it is? Yeah, Yeah, that is looking forward 849 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:24.400 to that. That's happening. Yeah, we got I went through the tutorial 850 00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:29.920 and everything. We can get custom games going, So we're gonna do that. 851 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.119 We're gonna I'm gonna say, there's a good chance we might all be 852 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:38.800 Nick Cage might be sur yes that that there's a bunch of videos up on 853 00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:45.159 the site now that from the our trip to packs, wh voicemail dump truck 854 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:49.400 is up. I think Jan is furiously working on the travel log. It 855 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:53.679 is a big, big beefy thing we start. We started recording from the 856 00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:58.360 point we left to go, which was pre a twenty eight hour train John 857 00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:00.840 and we recorded various were pretty much every day up until that point. So 858 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:02.840 it's a lot of foot used to go through. So please it would give 859 00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:06.480 Jen a little bit of time to yep, grape through that and put it 860 00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:09.519 all together. The pack's panel we did with Jenna is up, and yeah, 861 00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:14.199 it's there's a lot, a whole load of content out there to check 862 00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.719 out, but that's pretty much it. You have today is at one pm 863 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:21.920 Eastern time, ten am Pacific. Yes, that's so, it's the earlier 864 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:23.480 time that we've been doing recently. Is when we're doing so in at about 865 00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:28.599 an hour from now is when we'll be making that happen. Okay, the 866 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.400 poll from yesterday, do you really think E three comes back in twenty twenty 867 00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:37.800 five, Ninety two percent of you very skeptical and say no. Eight percent 868 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.800 say yes, Tam, I am with the nose on this one. M 869 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:46.119 I don't think so. Yeah. I think it comes back in like five 870 00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:50.599 years from someone else who bought the name in rights D three. Every time 871 00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:52.440 someone says, well, E three come back, I see that picture of 872 00:57:52.599 --> 00:58:00.960 Principal Skinner saying pathetic, but it's Jeff Keeley. Huh exactly. Okay, 873 00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.519 well let's see here. And then I got a new poll that we're gonna 874 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:07.639 put up right now. Have you ever played F zero GX, yes or 875 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:08.719 no? I just want to know. I just want you to tell me 876 00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:12.760 it's okay, it's safe here, tell me the truth. It's okay if 877 00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.039 it's a no. But hey man, maybe you'll get lucky and get a 878 00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:17.639 chance to play it on your switch real soon. That would be very nice. 879 00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:21.920 Who knows? Nice? All right, Tim, thank you so much 880 00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:23.360 for spending today talk with me about video games. Man. I really appreciate 881 00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:25.639 it. Thank you very much. Sadly, I won't be here next week 882 00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:29.079 because I will be traveling. Yep, You've got a busy week next week. 883 00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:31.079 I'll be back off to that week, yep. Cool, looking forward 884 00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:35.280 to it. We'll get someone else in here next Friday, everybody for Dreg's 885 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:37.920 Day. I'm looking forward to that. Here on giant body blessing at Aoya 886 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:42.880 Junior, we'll get blessing. Then. That sounds fantastic, all right, 887 00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:45.320 Thank you everybody for watching your the best audience in gaming. Until next time, 888 00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:50.559 have a good one, take care of yourself. Goodbye, wait to blad