1 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,079 Welcome to episode six of Get On a Live, a podcast where me, 2 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,640 your host Ashley, gives you a different animal attack story every week. And 3 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:30,359 I'm your other post Nick, who sits here and listens and offers basically nothing 4 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,920 in terms of academic value, but you offer a lot and honesty. Oh 5 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 yeah, I'll be very honest. I know nothing. I like to act 6 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:42,240 like I know a lot of stuff, so that usually goes wrong for me. 7 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,880 All right, So anyways, today we are talking about coyotes. I 8 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,039 throw it a poll on our Patreon. In Patreon, if you don't know 9 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:53,640 what it is, is a service where essentially you can subscribe to our podcast 10 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:57,159 for different tiers. There's one dollar level, five dollars level, and the 11 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,960 fifteen dollars level, and you get different benefits for each tier. And one 12 00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:03,840 of the benefits is that you could vote on the next species that we talk 13 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,439 about. So coyotes was chosen by our patrons and I could not be more 14 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:11,560 excited about it. So we might actually break this into a part one to 15 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:15,000 part two because I have two stories I want to tell, but I also 16 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,480 have a lot of things I would like to share about coyotes. I feel 17 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,959 like give a lot of emotion you want to share about coyotes, I do, 18 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:29,239 but there's also okay, we need to put out some disclaimers here before 19 00:01:29,239 --> 00:01:34,239 we get started, because there's so much we can talk about and the history 20 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,079 that we have with coyotes is so interesting. But that being said, first 21 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,879 disclaimer, I'm going to tell you the facts of our history with coyotes, 22 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:48,840 and it's not exactly a pretty one, so it might be uncomfortable at times. 23 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,040 And like I've said in a few other episodes, coyotes and wolves are 24 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:57,799 like the most controversial species we have in North America. And the more and 25 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,439 more I got ready for this episode, the more where I was like, 26 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:04,239 yeah, it's coyotes. Coyotes are the most controversial species in North America. 27 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,599 Even saying that forever, how about you tell us your experience with coyotes and 28 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,919 what expertise you have. Thank you for setting me up. Yeah, I 29 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,560 guess coyotes would probably be the species I'm like the most qualified to talk about. 30 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:22,840 I guess if you could say that, because I did my undergraduate research 31 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:27,039 on coyotes and part of what goes in I mean a long story short. 32 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,960 If you care about my research and my thesis that I did, I can 33 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,080 send it to you, But it wasn't biologically based. It was more like 34 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,639 the social aspects of how we live with coyotes. But I had to spend 35 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,800 a lot of time researching their history and whatnot. And the book Coyote America 36 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,120 was recommended to me by the PhD student I was working with, Josh, 37 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,560 who is fantastic, And the book Coyote America is by Dan Flores. He's 38 00:02:50,599 --> 00:02:55,879 this awesome historian and the book is so compelling and it's as much about us 39 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,759 as people as it is about coyotes. So I highly recommend for any It's 40 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,560 truly shocking. And I'm going to be using what Dan Flores says in interviews 41 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,719 and in that book for a lot of what we're going to talk about for 42 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:12,439 the history, just because he's researched it so extensively. So yeah, disclaimer 43 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:16,120 One, this might be an uncomfortable conversation. Two, because coyotes are a 44 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:21,360 very controversial species, you might come into this episode with some preconceived notions about 45 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,520 coyotes. And if I say things that upset you and that you disagree with, 46 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:29,080 feel free to contact us and we'll talk about it with you. People 47 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,319 have already, so we're used to it. Four episodes in, we're used 48 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:35,560 to the controversy already. Now people just think you abuse animals. So uh, 49 00:03:36,479 --> 00:03:38,400 I had no comment, Like, I don't we can put that out 50 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,759 there. Yeah, First of all, how stupid would I be to be 51 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,280 a wild life biologist who chooses to make a podcast about animals with someone who 52 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,240 abuses animals. I'm not that stupid. Yeah, we don't need to discuss 53 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,680 my animal abuse. I mean we can be petty. I'm totally fine with 54 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,719 that. I definitely won't be petty. I love being petty. Okay, 55 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:57,719 then we'll keep it in So yeah, I mean, I don't mind constructive 56 00:03:57,759 --> 00:04:03,960 criticism, but like saying that Nicobeese's animals because we joke around is dumb, 57 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,759 a bit far. Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch. But that 58 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,360 being said, I also another disclaimer, Nick and I are both hunters. 59 00:04:11,879 --> 00:04:15,319 We well, I hunt grouse roughed grouse. Nick, you just hunt turkeys, 60 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,680 right, Yes, I hunt turkeys. Okay. That being said, 61 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:23,920 I think it's important to distinguish that a lot of hunters the joy of hunting 62 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,160 is being out in the woods and connecting with nature. It's not the act 63 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:30,399 of actually killing the animal. Yeah, I totally agree. Oh absolutely. 64 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,040 The first time I killed a grouse, I apologized profusely and like almost cried. 65 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:38,800 When I was like ten, I had a turkey lined up at like 66 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,959 five yards of my brother called in for me and I didn't pull the trigger 67 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,839 and I cried for like three days because that was such like a big baby 68 00:04:45,879 --> 00:04:48,120 about it. Yeah, And I think it's important to say that because some 69 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,959 of the things I'm gonna talk about coyotes, that's not the case for a 70 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:55,720 lot of people in the past. But I would just like to say that 71 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,439 Nick and I as hunters, it is not the joy of killing things that 72 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,279 we like about hunting. It's the act of being part of nature. So 73 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,360 anyways, I just want to say that upfront, because once again it's gonna 74 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,199 be comfortable to talk about. And like I was saying before, if you 75 00:05:10,319 --> 00:05:13,439 disagree with anything that we talk about, feel free to reach out to either 76 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,600 of us somehow. Our email is get Out a Live podcast at gmail dot 77 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,079 com. We've already had one lovely person send us pictures of bears. If 78 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,519 you just want to send us pictures of animals, you see, I'd love 79 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,199 that And Nick will respond to them. I was not allowed to respond to 80 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,480 this one because apparently my response were not appropriate. Yeah, saying a bear 81 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,680 has a big but donk is not really great. I said she has a 82 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,560 dumpster. She was on a dumpster in one of the cat shows that mom 83 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,439 at a big old ass. Anyways, So yeah, I just I just 84 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,720 want to throw those things out there because there's a lot here to talk about. 85 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,920 But like I said, I kind of want to split this into two 86 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,519 episodes. I have a lot to say, but I also have two stories 87 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:56,079 that are kind of have different outcomes, and we'll talk about the two different 88 00:05:56,079 --> 00:06:00,800 aspects of those outcomes after. Let's start with a little bit of history about 89 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,879 coyotes, or more about the coyotes names, because in the last episode we 90 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:09,560 talked about the grizzly name and I really like that, so coyote when we 91 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,199 originally okay, let me back up. When European settlers came over here, 92 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:17,600 they had no idea what to make of the coyote because it wasn't a wolf, 93 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,560 it wasn't a fox, so they called it the prairie wolf. And 94 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:27,560 it wasn't until around the eighteen forties when the White European settlers made it all 95 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,360 the way over to New Mexico that they met native people who were calling it 96 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:34,240 a different name. And the name coyote is actually from the Aztec language, 97 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:40,839 which is super cool, and it was originally spelt coyotl, but the l 98 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,319 was silent. Long story short, because I can go on about this forever. 99 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:49,160 Mark Twain actually originally described coyotes as like cowardly and scoundrels, and that 100 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,759 kind of set the tone for how Americans felt about coyotes. But he also 101 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,639 was the first to like normalize the current spelling and pronunciation we have of coyotes. 102 00:06:58,879 --> 00:07:02,240 That being said, I say coyotes, What do you say coyote? 103 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,519 I didn't know there was anything anything else. I will shorten it to like 104 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:10,480 yot Like I heard yot a lot when I was in my time out west. 105 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,120 Like people said that I personally love yotas yotas. I've never heard that 106 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,000 one. I just recently started saying it because it's ridiculous and it disarms them 107 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,600 a little bit. You just think it's cute. I do. I think 108 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,920 they're cute, So any we'll get into it. So I say coyote A 109 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,240 lot of people say coyote. Oh yeah, okay, exactly. I don't 110 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,279 think that's a big difference, honestly, Like everyone knows what we're talking about. 111 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:33,800 Well, in Dan's book Coyote America, he like goes on to explain 112 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,480 it's a huge long thing about why some people say kyote and why some people 113 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:42,000 say coyote and can't give it to us some shorthand real quick, long story 114 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,079 short. If you're from more like rural areas, people tend to say kyote 115 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:49,560 and people from more like urbanized areas tend to say coyote. That's the short 116 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:55,639 of it. But let's get started. That's good, it started. I'm 117 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,120 sorry, that's good it started. So I'm one of those people who who 118 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,199 used to watch like animal attack shows on Animal Planet religiously because Animal Planet was 119 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,800 the station that was my favorite. So there was a show called I Was 120 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:11,439 Pray. Have you ever seen it? Uh? Yeah, now I also 121 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,439 grew up on it. Exactly. Probably leads to us making this podcast directly, 122 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:22,759 honestly. Oh, so this story is I took it from that because 123 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:26,360 it's the actual guy who got attacked telling the story. However, Animal Planet 124 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:31,079 does get a few details wrong, so I've used other news sources from back 125 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,440 then, but it's a little crazy because the new sources from back then say 126 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:41,120 like completely different things. So I'm using his clip from Animal Planets. I 127 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,279 was prey as like the most valid because it's coming from his direct count. 128 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,120 However, that being said, Animal Planet said that it happened in twenty fourteen, 129 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:52,879 and it happened in twenty thirteen, so you take it with immediately. 130 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:58,240 They're great. So our story begins on October fourteenth, twenty thirteen, in 131 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,919 Boulder County, Colorado, specifically in a town called Longmont. Andrew Dickett is 132 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,440 a twenty two year old single father to his son DJ and has been since 133 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,679 he was twenty one, and at this point he's living paycheck to paycheck and 134 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:16,600 working at a tech desk in Colorado. So one week, the belt on 135 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,120 his car snapped and he didn't have enough money to buy a new one since 136 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,639 he was living paycheck to paycheck, so we had to wait. So he 137 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,600 decided that he would have to walk to work. On October fourteenth, at 138 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,960 two thirty in the morning, he started walking so he could get to his 139 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:35,200 job for five in the morning, and it was a six mile walk on 140 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,519 a back road towards the Rocky Mountains. Just two miles into his walk this 141 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:43,519 morning, he started hearing some high pitch squeals that made him really uneasy. 142 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,960 So he had a flashlight with him, and he shined a slash light towards 143 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,279 the source of the noises that he heard and realized that they were coyote zipping 144 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:54,039 and the first coyote he saw, which ended up being the biggest one out 145 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,519 of all of them, seemed really calm despite all the noises it was making. 146 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:03,279 So as he stared at this first coyote, two more coyotes come around 147 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,240 and begin to approach him. And as he turned his attention to those two 148 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:11,080 approaching coyotes and shined his flashlight on them, the first coyote attacked him. 149 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,480 So it started by biting his hand repeatedly, and he recalls it felt like 150 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,440 being stabbed repeatedly with a fork, and they were like tugging on his fingers. 151 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:22,879 So he hit the coyote with a flashlight to have it let go, 152 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,480 And as soon as he did that, that's when the other two began to 153 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,000 attack, and they went directly for his face in his neck at this point 154 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:35,919 already so soon into the attack. This is merely just seconds in. He 155 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,960 has open wounds on his face all over his arms, and he dropped his 156 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,799 flashlight because he was like, I need both of my hands for this. 157 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,919 However, in hindsight afterwards, he said that dropping a slash light was a 158 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,720 terrible mistake because since it was so early in the morning, it was so 159 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:54,559 dark, and he dropped his flashlight, he couldn't see where they were, 160 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:58,399 so he could only see glimmers of their eyes and their teeth as they were 161 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,960 jumping at him. After this, one of the coyotes leaped directly for his 162 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:05,519 face and bit him right below his jawbone and up into his cheek. Because 163 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:09,120 it was so dark, he said, all he could feel was fur and 164 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,039 pressure as they were biting him from all sides. And he said that as 165 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,320 they were jumping and biting him, they were also yelping. So it's this 166 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:18,840 weird mixture of it's dark, all you're seeing his eyes and teeth, and 167 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:24,960 also it's like a deafening yelping in your ears. Yeah, sensory overload in 168 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,159 a way, like without being able to see, but like all that noise, 169 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:31,720 that'd be really freaking. Because Andrew was on a back road. He 170 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:33,960 also had the realization that no one was going to be buying anytime soon to 171 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,639 help him out. So and because it was so early in the morning, 172 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:39,799 you know, it's not like it's a major road where people normally traverse it, 173 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:43,679 let alone at like three in the morning. So he was yelling as 174 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,320 much as he could, trying to fend them off. But the coyotes were 175 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,559 really going for his throat, like every single time they jumped, that's what 176 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,480 they were aiming for. And as soon as he'd pushed one away, another 177 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,519 would take its place and try to jump at him. His next tactic, 178 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,399 because this wasn't working just pushing them away, was okay, maybe if I 179 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:03,240 try to act really outwardly aggressive they'll stop. So when he tried showing that 180 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,080 aggression towards that first coyote, the other two lunged at him simultaneously, and 181 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:13,679 he managed somehow to grab one of the coyotes that leaped and grabbed it by 182 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,919 the throat, and he started squeezing on that coyote until he felt a pop. 183 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:24,360 Do you know what that pop? Wash neck might guess it was the 184 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:31,480 coyotes trachea nice. Oh, this is why people think us, yeah, 185 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,480 Jesus. But anyways, he pops his coyotes strachia, let's it go. 186 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,559 And then they're all like, this is too much for us. We out, 187 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:43,799 so they leave. He looks down after they're gone and finds his flashlight 188 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,120 and shied out on his arms and they were completely covered in blood. And 189 00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:52,320 this attack lasted like a few minutes max. And this is how much damage 190 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,960 they did. He looked down to his hand that the first coyote was biting 191 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,879 on and saw that one of his fingers was completely bone. It had like 192 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,960 tore all of the flesh off of it. At this point, panic began 193 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,120 to set in and all the pain, but he was really determined to stay 194 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:13,080 alive for his son because he didn't want his son to have to grow up 195 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,919 without both parents. So he began his three mile journey to the office because 196 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,320 he didn't know any place in between there and his office, so that was 197 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,200 the only place he had to go. So he had to keep making that 198 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:28,240 journey. As he begins walking, with each step, he's growing weaker and 199 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:31,120 he's getting colder, and he said he couldn't feel the tip of his nose 200 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,200 or the tips of his fingers, and he had to physically remind himself how 201 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,039 to walk, like okay, lift your right leg, lift your left leg. 202 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,440 That was his entire three miles. So he eventually made it to the 203 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,320 office, and when he tried to swipe his badge at the door, he 204 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:48,639 was so tired and beaten up that he just felt to one knee and was 205 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,720 basically just stranded outside. I mean, I would hope there were other people 206 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:54,960 coming in to work at the same time, Like, hopefully someone found him 207 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,519 in a couple of minutes. Yes, he was very lucky because somebody was 208 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:03,960 already the office and ran outside to help him. What a freaky way to 209 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,159 start the day, Like your coworkers comes in, I'll bloodied up, Like, 210 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:09,080 oh yeah, because you don't know that could be anything. I would 211 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,720 assume he got jumped by a person, not a pack of coyotes. Yeah, 212 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:16,519 especially when you hear me tell you about how his wounds looked afterward. 213 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:20,679 Anyways, his coworker calls an ambulance, stays with him the entire time until 214 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,840 the ambulance gets there. Well, when the ambulance crew arrived, even they 215 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:28,519 had a look of panic on their face, which made Andrew super uneasy because 216 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:31,919 that's the last thing you want to see. It's like having a surge and 217 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,399 say, oops, oh remember that scalpel. We gotta go back in. 218 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:39,240 Oh I forgot a towel in this Oh snap, Yeah no, uh, 219 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:45,720 I would be very concerned if the paramedics started getting nervous. That's kind of 220 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,000 a not something you want to sea side. Yeah. Yeah. Andrew gets 221 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,919 to the hospital and he truly looked like he had been slashed with knives, 222 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,279 Like you were saying if somebody had jumped him, it looks like somebody just 223 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:00,879 attacked him with a bunch of knives, because it was just a just slits 224 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,720 all over his arms, his chest, his face. He said. Honestly, 225 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:07,879 the worst part of all this were the shots that followed, Oh, 226 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:13,360 the raby shots and all the oh yeah, especially you're attacked by three coyotes 227 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,799 that they're obviously going to assume is a rabbit, because why else that's a 228 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:22,240 paint not only expensive shot, but also you have to get a butt ton 229 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,720 of them, and they're super painful. Yeah no, yeah, I mean, 230 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:31,120 so you and I are both vaccinated against rabies. It took like a 231 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,240 series of three different shots over like a weird specific period of time. And 232 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:39,919 even if you or I were to be bitten by a rabbit or suspected rabbit 233 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,679 animal, we'd still have to get those booster shots, but we wouldn't have 234 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:46,440 to get as many. So Andrew had to get like tens of shots gross 235 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:52,279 just for rabies, not even to fight off infection of other kinds and everything 236 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,360 else, like a lot of stuff you worry about. Yeah, brutal, 237 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,320 quick question. Yeah, I've been told by someone who might I know what 238 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,840 they're talking about, that you only need one raby shot and the rest of 239 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:07,679 her just like fake fake news. Is that true? No, So what 240 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,840 I was saying is that in theory, if you get your pre exposure rabies 241 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,720 shots, you should be good unless you get bit. Well, they give 242 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:21,360 you boosters because rabies is one hundred percent fatal, so they're not messing around. 243 00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:25,000 They're not going to assume that you still okay. So when you get 244 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,240 your raby shot, you have to get your tighters checked, and that's essentially 245 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:30,960 checking every year. They draw some blood to see if you're still like, 246 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:34,399 you still have the antibodies in you, essentially unless they know that you still 247 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,679 have those antie I mean, even if they knew that you had the antibodies, 248 00:16:37,679 --> 00:16:40,240 they'd still give you the boosters because rabies is one hundred percent fatal, 249 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:41,960 so you're not going to mess around with it. So he gets all those 250 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:47,159 shots and then he sees his son again, and his son when he saw 251 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:52,440 him, looked so confused because his dad's face was completely slashed up and different 252 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,919 point. He was little, like a few years old. Yeah, so 253 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:03,519 Andrew completely healed. He didn't get any sort of infections from the coyote attack, 254 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,720 and his son is now a big brother. The pictures at the UNFA 255 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,960 Animal Planet episode were very cute. So after this attack, wildlife officials went 256 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,200 out and killed three coyotes that they suspected launched the attack within just two days. 257 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,359 Each coyote had very recently eaten, one had eaten like a cat or 258 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,799 a dog, one had eaten a bird, and one had eaten a rabbit. 259 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,119 If you were to guess why do you think this attack happened, immediate 260 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,039 guess is that the rabbit. It seems like they had a half decent food 261 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:36,599 source, like they all ate recently. It was all different stuff, so 262 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,480 it's not like they got a lucky kill like. No, they were all 263 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:44,240 eating so being rabbit is the obvious guess. So obviously that's what I would 264 00:17:44,279 --> 00:17:48,079 have assumed too. They didn't have rabies, so why'd they do it? 265 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:52,480 I'll be honest, I don't know, And I think that's the scariest part 266 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,359 is that no one knows why they did it. So one wildlife official was 267 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,440 like, oh, there was a dead bird nearby, so he probably startled 268 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,359 them when they were on top of their kill and that's why they attacked him. 269 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,480 But to me, that doesn't check at all, because that's not really 270 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:10,680 a thing coyotes do. Person's a big animal for them to go after. 271 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,160 That's a big risk for them. Yeah, I don't think they want to 272 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,759 try and kill a person over at bird personally, No. But yeah, 273 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,559 like this whole podcast, the point of it is to say, hey, 274 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:23,680 here are ways that you can avoid doing this or avoid gang attacked. What 275 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,279 are we supposed to tell people with this episode? Were with this story like 276 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:33,440 I think, Yeah, the guy just got jumped by a gang of coyotes, 277 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,279 Like straight up, they just wanted to attack them and they did. 278 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,920 It's a very good point. Our whole podcast is to help people understand animal 279 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,400 attacks more and that's why this story fascinated me so much because the easy answer 280 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,839 is rabies, and it's just not the answer in this case. That being 281 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,519 said, this is such a weird and rare circumstance and a pack of coyotes 282 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:56,000 would go after a person. It just like, there's really not a lot 283 00:18:56,039 --> 00:18:59,759 of other stories like this in cases where the coyotes are not rabid. So 284 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,279 that being said, the odds of it happening to you are so so so 285 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,160 slim. I always hear different things about coyotes on whether or not they're pack 286 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,480 animals. So immediately when you say like a group of three, like, 287 00:19:10,519 --> 00:19:14,240 okay, that's probably a pack or a family group of some kind like wolves. 288 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:17,400 So what is it? Like, is there a difference between Eastern and 289 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,920 Western coyotes like how they pack up? Because I have read, believe it 290 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,839 or not, that Eastern coyotes have more wolf DNA in their blood than Western 291 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,880 coyotes for whatever reason, I can't really tell you if I've read that our 292 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:36,640 Eastern kyries more likely to pack up than western Are Western coyotes just nuts and 293 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:37,680 attack people for the fun of it? Like? What's going on here? 294 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,240 I'm so excited to talk about this. I'm excited for all of it, 295 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:45,759 but this part is so interesting to me. So coyotes have a type of 296 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:52,599 sociality called fission fusion. Okay, you need to explain this, I've of 297 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,440 course, it sounds like a science experiment. Yeah, So fission fusion societies 298 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:02,160 simply mean sometimes they're in groups and sometimes they're not. Is there any pattern 299 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:07,200 as to why they are or why they're not? So sometimes they'll pack up 300 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:11,160 to attack larger prey, and if they're under a lot of pressure, so 301 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:14,319 like you know, say there's a pack of coyotes and I go out and 302 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,200 I'm actively hunting them, they'll break off and go off on their own and 303 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:22,839 hunt smaller things like rodents. So the reason that they're like this is because, 304 00:20:23,079 --> 00:20:26,079 Okay, we're gonna have to get into some of the history here, 305 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:30,079 and I'm really excited about it. Coyotes are in the Canis genus. I 306 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,799 was hoping i'd have the chance to say that. Would you like to say, 307 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,119 no, it's okay. Coyotes shared a common ancestor with gray wolves, 308 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,160 so coyotes are basically a smaller wolf. Whereas the gray wolf got big and 309 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:47,359 learned to pack up, coyotes got smaller and learned this type of strategy. 310 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,200 So back when the bearing Land Strait was a thing and we were more connected 311 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,279 to the other continents, gray wolves left. They went to Asia and Europe 312 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,440 and messed around for a couple thousands of years. Coyotes stayed here, red 313 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:06,599 wolves stayed here, and what's called the Eastern wolf or the Algonquin wolf which 314 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,640 is up in like eastern Canada, stayed here. So after a couple thousands 315 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:17,039 of years, gray wolves came back. They were different. Not only could 316 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:21,359 they not breed with coyotes anymore, but they were like, we hate you 317 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,200 and we're gonna kill all of you. The smaller coyote was like ash shit, 318 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,480 peace out, and basically evolved to have this type of fission fusion society 319 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,400 so they could get away from wolves if they were under intense pressure by that. 320 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:34,759 And this is a great point where I have a question. This might 321 00:21:34,759 --> 00:21:37,880 be a huge stretch for you to know, because it's not really somewhere you're 322 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:44,119 overly familiar with. On a research side, and Yellowstone are the coyotes there 323 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,079 are more likely to be individuals and impacts because I'm sure with the wolf pressure 324 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,759 they don't get to go after a big prey even if they wanted to, 325 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:52,799 if they wanted to pack up and go after them, they're not gonna have 326 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:55,079 a chance against you know, a pack of wolves. They're going after the 327 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,920 same prey. So they're more likely to go after rabbits and squirrels and birds 328 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,119 and stuff like that is what I would assume, which they don't need impact 329 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,720 for they can be individuals. Yes, So this is actually so I looked 330 00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:08,960 into this when I was in college. I did a research project in Africa 331 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,480 on mongeese and how they responded to larger predators like hyenas and lions and whatnot. 332 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:17,519 But it's the same kind of thing. So what's cool about the whole 333 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:21,880 Yellowstone experience is that, well, I mean it's not cool. We killed 334 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,920 all the wolves off, which super sucks. Yeah, and we can get 335 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,160 into that later about how we were able to do that. I canna mentioned 336 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,599 Yellstone every episode because it's amazing. Oh yeah, it's super relevant all the 337 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:36,160 time, all the time. Yeah. Essentially, we had seventy years of 338 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:41,079 there being no wolves in Yellowstone and we actually got to see what coyotes do 339 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:45,680 when they are not being actively pursued by larger predators, which is super cool 340 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:51,519 because yeah, they flourished, so they were able to group up go after 341 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:55,480 bigger things. But they also we have so much to talk about here, 342 00:22:55,519 --> 00:23:00,119 but essentially they hit caring capacity, which in a biological sense means there were 343 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,079 so many coyotes that if there were to be more, there wouldn't be enough 344 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:08,359 food. That's actually surprising to me because I know when the wolves left Yellowstone 345 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:15,799 were killed off from Yellowstone, the undulates exploded and they hit that carring capacity 346 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:18,880 because they were eating all the vegetation there. But I would assume with all 347 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,880 the higher populations of undulates that the young, the babies, the sick, 348 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,200 the week, there would be so many of them for the carriers go after. 349 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,880 I think they would just keep going, like keep reproducing, keep thriving. 350 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,720 I'm surprised to hear that they actually hit that capacity. Yeah, so, 351 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:36,880 I mean there was a lot of coyotes though, right, I guess 352 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,839 that's a good point, Like if there's a million of them, like, 353 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:41,519 yeah, they're gonna run out of food events, just like everything else did. 354 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,200 Like I mean, the the elk ran out of grass. So I'm 355 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,240 sure it's not that shocking to hear that, you know, Carris ran out 356 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:49,440 of elk and there's only so much space, like physically so much space, 357 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:53,000 you know what I mean. So yeah, I mean I think now would 358 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:57,279 be a good time to segue into the extermination of coyotes because it kind of 359 00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:02,240 ties into this. So when you got rid of wolves, this gave the 360 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:07,440 coyotes the chance to grow so exponentially and begin to move off into other parts 361 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,240 of the country. So originally coyotes were only like really centered in the USA, 362 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:15,880 And when European settlers came over here, they looked at everything and they're 363 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,680 like, well, we killed wolves back where we lived in Europe, so 364 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,640 what if we just do the same here and like kill everything. So that's 365 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,319 pretty much what we did. We drove off as many wolves as we could. 366 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,559 We put bounties on them so people could kill them and get money for 367 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:36,400 every wolf pelt or skull they had, and they started doing the same for 368 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:42,200 coyotes. However, because they evolved so differently, wolves became super pack oriented, 369 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,920 and because they were so pack oriented, they didn't really have the ability 370 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,039 like coyotes do to be on their own and be successful. I mean, 371 00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:52,880 this is a brutal detail, but I want to share it because when I 372 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,599 learned it, I was really upset, and I think if you're upset too, 373 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,559 then so that makes sense. Upset the entire world world right now is 374 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:02,960 what we're about to do. I'm upset by a lot of things when it 375 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:04,920 comes to animals and what we've done to them, So I would like to 376 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,079 share it. The reason we were able to so effectively get rid of wolves 377 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,599 is because they're pack animals. They want to hang out with us. Oh 378 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,880 how cool that had been, though, I mean, we have dogs, 379 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,000 so wolf would be so sick. Did you not listen to Oliver? Of 380 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:21,759 course I did. I know. I know I can't have one. I 381 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:23,440 know, I know, I know, I know I can't response, but 382 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:29,240 it take a wolf, yes, But like, okay, no, So 383 00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:34,519 European settlers came over here and killed wolf puppies and would use the scent of 384 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:38,960 the wolf puppies in the traps to lure in their parents to kill them. 385 00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:42,480 I hate Europeans now, Well, okay, that's the thing. Like, 386 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,079 I'm sure some people who listen are like, ooh, don't make fun of 387 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:51,640 white people, and it's like I personally would never do this, but Europeans, 388 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,400 Yeah, European settlers came over here, and okay, it only gets 389 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,160 worse. So they killed off all the wolves, right, why do you 390 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,599 kill a wolf? Puppies? They're so cute? What kind of monster? 391 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,119 That's why at the beginning I wanted to specify you and I are hunters. 392 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,799 I would never look at a baby animal and like bludgeing it to No, 393 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,519 I cannot imagine. I'm just talking about Ben kill him last week. Most 394 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:15,640 of the animals he gets are from hunters who have killed the mom. Like, 395 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,160 they aren't going after a mother bear. But they not. Even it's 396 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,559 people who shoot bears for no reason or for killing a chicken. Okay, 397 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,319 well either way, they didn't. They didn't kill the baby. They didn't 398 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:27,119 go out go out and say, oh, well cool, I found a 399 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,039 baby bear. I'm gonna go kill it. Now. Even the people who 400 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:33,599 are actively killing things are not killing babies. You gotta be jacked up to 401 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:40,079 go kill little baby wolf. And that's what I'm saying. Like, so, 402 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:45,839 back then, people didn't really understand the concept that other animals had feelings 403 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:52,480 and were intelligent and formed bonds with other things. Yeah, so how could 404 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,559 you look at an intelligent, self aware animal and bludge it to death. 405 00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:00,039 To me, that does not make you very different from a psycho serial killer 406 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:04,319 who kills people because they don't acknowledge that people are living, being creatures with 407 00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:07,440 feelings. I do think you took a little bit of a gap there, 408 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,039 but yes, I see your point. But is it because if you're bludgeting 409 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,799 a defenseless baby wolf in the head, does that not make you a little 410 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,240 bit of a psychopath? Yeah? Nothing, And you're doing it just because 411 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,759 there's a gap there between killing a baby wolf and killing a person. But 412 00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:25,519 you're right. I agree to the principle. Thank you. That's all I 413 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:30,079 asked. Anyways, we were really successful in killing off wolves because they're pack 414 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,039 oriented, so we were able to group them up. So you can imagine 415 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,359 when people started to go after coyotes and try to exterminate them, they had 416 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:44,200 a real tough time because not only are coyotes fission fusion animals where they can 417 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,680 just split off and be on their own, and they're very intelligent, they're 418 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:49,400 very nervous of new things, so if you try to go after them, 419 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:57,599 once they know it, they respond to extermination by breeding profusely. If they 420 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:03,680 acknowledge that other coyotes around them are gone, they will respond by having more 421 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,680 pups in their litter the next time. Is that just like a biological thing 422 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,359 where now there are less animals going after the same food source. So now 423 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:17,000 they're healthier, and now they're reproducing at a higher rate, they're able to 424 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,319 raise more young. Is that kind of how that system works. Yeah, 425 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,279 that's exactly it. They will literally go from having I'm so good, Yeah, 426 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,880 good test you're learning. I'm so proud of you. They will go 427 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,640 from having like four to five or whatever babies to like more than ten pups 428 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,680 in one litter. So when you think that you're trying to eliminate coyotes from 429 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,799 an area, yeah, you might kill a few adults, but they will 430 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:42,200 go on to breed way more. And because I mentioned their fish and fusion, 431 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:47,279 they will split off and they will go off farther in separate directions. 432 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:52,119 So basically what happened is we try to eliminate them from the west. Now 433 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,119 they're up towards the Arctic Circle and they're going towards South America. Wow, 434 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,680 as we didn't realize they were so sensualized to just that part of the country. 435 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,920 I thought they had just always been everywhere no, they were a prairie 436 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,920 species. So like in my my grandma was born in nineteen thirty three or 437 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,680 one of my grandma's I should say, in her lifetime, coyotes have come 438 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,200 over here. Really, isn't that insane? Yeah, that's crazy. Like 439 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:21,079 I mentioned before, so gray wolves left and messed around in Europe and Asia 440 00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:23,799 for a while and came back. Coyotes, red wolves, the algonquin wolf 441 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:29,519 they stuck around. So when coyotes come over here, they can breed with 442 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,839 algonquin and red wolves. No shit, yes, oh what does that look 443 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,400 like? Any find a picture of Well, I mean, it's like you 444 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,200 were saying earlier, the wolves we have are Sorry, the coyotes we have 445 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:44,559 here have wolf DNA in them because they interbreed with the Eastern Canadian wolf and 446 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:48,359 the red wolves, which are super endangerous. That's cool. Yeah, well 447 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,319 so people who are trying to recover the red wolf, which is super endangered 448 00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,920 down south. Kind of the worry there is even if you put more red 449 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,400 wolves in the landscape, the odds of them finding each other are so slim 450 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,480 They're probably gonna find in a coyote first and just mate with that instead. 451 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:06,359 So you're just gonna get like half red wolf half coyote hybrids that'd still be 452 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,799 cool, Like, I guess it defeats the purpose, but still cool. 453 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,720 Yeah, for sure. And I mean, you know, back when I 454 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,960 did research in college, I was pretty in the middle on how I felt 455 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,279 about the issue. So okay for more context. In some places there are 456 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:25,160 coyote hunting contests where you get money if you kill the most or the biggest 457 00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:29,839 or whatever. My research was based off of, like why certain people do 458 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,160 that and why people are against it whatever. I'm pretty sure it's open the 459 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,960 season here in New Hampshire, and we don't even have that big of a 460 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,039 population. Like my brother says he only sees a couple of year if he 461 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:42,240 sees that many. You know, when I lived out in California, I 462 00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:47,039 saw them multiple times a day. I mean it was probably the same group, 463 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,960 same family group, but I saw them all the time. I don't 464 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,039 see I haven't seen a single one since I've been back in New Hampshire. 465 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,359 That being said, ninety percent of the calls I've gotten this week where about 466 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,160 coyotes? Why so many this week? I mean, are my work the 467 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:04,200 kind of nuisance work? The calls I get about. Certain animals kind of 468 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,440 cycle through the seasons, So when you get more towards winter, it's more 469 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:14,680 beavers. When it's spring slash summertimes bears, but as the natural food for 470 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,279 bears comes out, kind of switches to coyotes because they had their pups in 471 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:21,039 the spring. Their pups are getting older, so a lot of people are 472 00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:26,599 interacting now with like adolescent, stupid coyotes pups walking into a neighborhood, not 473 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,240 realizing exactly. So that's kind of why. But that being said, there 474 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,799 are other states currently in twenty twenty one that have bounties for coyotes. I 475 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,480 just that part boggles my mind because it's like, we know now that trying 476 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,039 to kill them off doesn't work. California spends millions and millions of dollars every 477 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,839 year trying to exterminate coyotes and it just doesn't happen. And I think part 478 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,200 of the reason we hate coyotes so much is because they're the one thing we 479 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,680 can't kill off. They are viewed as a pest, is how I see 480 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,759 it. I don't understand why they're just another animal in the forest. In 481 00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:02,759 my opinion, I don't really hear about them killing off. Okay, actually 482 00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,039 I do need to talk about this. When I lived in California, within 483 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:13,440 like two days with each other, I had a good friend and a college 484 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,079 professor who both told me that their pets were eaten by coyotes. And these 485 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:21,160 weren't people who were just like letting their cats out like this was a guy 486 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,799 who had a Brazilian mastiff to protect his two little yorkies, had a fenced 487 00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:29,039 in yard, had grass like this was a dude who like really took care 488 00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:32,400 of his animals, and kyote jumped the fence grading all yorkies took off. 489 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:37,279 My college professor his cat just got out on accident one day, like it 490 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,759 sucks, and found her chewed up. It was really rough for him. 491 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:44,599 But like, if that happened to me, I would also have a real 492 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:49,000 hate for coyotes. But everything is a part of the food chain, so 493 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,519 unfortunately Kyrie's going to find an easy meal and come grab it. That is 494 00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:58,720 a valid concern one hundred percent that coyotes eat pets, because sometimes they went 495 00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:01,799 they will walk up and rab people's dogs as you are walking themuddle leash. 496 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,440 But that being said, though, I think it's kind of in the similar 497 00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:09,920 vein of what Oliver was saying about cattle who die and then get fed on 498 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,240 by wolves. The wolves get blamed for killing that cattle. And obviously, 499 00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:16,799 in your case, if someone saw coyote take a dog, obviously that's what 500 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,359 happened. And it sucks, but it happens sometimes. But a lot of 501 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:23,960 the times I think animals just get hit by cars or just get taken, 502 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,400 like a cat could easily get taken by an owl, and it happens all 503 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,519 the time, and then coyotes might just take the body. Keep your cats 504 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:34,240 inside. I was wondering when we were gonna get into the cat Keep your 505 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,680 Cat five episodes. All right, this is way further than I expected. 506 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,200 Oh, one hundred percent, me too. I could go on about that 507 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,519 forever. Yeah. So when someone calls me they're like, I'm reried about 508 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,880 my cat outside, I'm like, well, keep it inside or supervise it, 509 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,000 like you woul your dog, because why do I have to watch my 510 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:47,880 dog but you don't have to watch your cat. And it can come in 511 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,680 my yard and kill all the birds. But I die, Chris, So, 512 00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:53,119 yeah, I mean it happens, but I think in a lot of 513 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:59,200 cases, coyotes can serve as scapegoats for animals dying. But that being said, 514 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,720 they do kill sometimes, they do kill a lot of pets, especially 515 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,839 out west. Like I guess that said earlier. Here, they're not as 516 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,360 prevalence. I don't think it's as much of an issue. So there's people 517 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,400 claiming that we need an open season because of that. I think that's a 518 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,360 little little bit of a stretch. But I do understand people out west, 519 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,960 where there's a lot more of them being more concerned. Well, do you 520 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,760 remember how petros when we were talking about how to like mitigate petator damage, 521 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,599 he talked about the devil you know versus the devil you don't. Yes. 522 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,519 I think that goes a long way for coyotes too. So if you have 523 00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:37,760 a coyote in your yard and it's going after your chickens, or it's hanging 524 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,360 around your pets and it makes you uncomfortable, I think it's way more valid 525 00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:47,639 to teach that specific animal to not do that rather than kill it and wait 526 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,039 for the next thing to come in. Yeah, if you can teach a 527 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,440 young coyote that's going after your stuff, hey, this is really bad and 528 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,199 I'm going to harass you and spray you with pepper spray, or shoot guns 529 00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,000 in the air and scear you off. It won't wantn't do that anymore, 530 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,519 but then you could kill it. Then another young one comes in, and 531 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:08,199 then you kill that another one. But are coyotes as territorial as mountain lions 532 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:13,159 are. I've never really heard of a coyote trying to defence territory like other 533 00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:17,519 animals. Not necessarily. However, this ties back to our history with coyotes. 534 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,679 Back when the white European settlers were trying to completely eliminate coyotes, they 535 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:30,079 developed this Those fucking guys exactly, they were mostly guys. Those guys created 536 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:35,440 this poison called strychnine cool name. Sure. It was essentially this small little 537 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,000 tablet that they put into sarcases of animals that they knew that coyotes were going 538 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:42,519 to feed on. I mean, honestly, they probably just put it on 539 00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,559 anything, I mean, put it up for anything that they could get. 540 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,960 So as soon as the coyotes or whatever poor animal happened to eat this thing, 541 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:54,519 they would die a horrible death and like do really weird convulsions, foam 542 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,639 whatever, and then just die within minutes. So that being said, how 543 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:06,159 you were asking about if coyotes are territorial whatever. They are not. However, 544 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:12,320 they are very intelligent. So because eating that little tablet killed them so 545 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,880 fast, if that coyote that ate that tablet died and there was a coyote 546 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:22,519 next to it, that coyote learned real quick to never eat one of those 547 00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:28,400 tablets. So they ran into this problem where these other coyotes kept surviving because 548 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,960 they learned not to eat anything that had those tablets in them. So essentially 549 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:35,840 they were like, well, we made a poison that works too fast. 550 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:42,719 So do you know what they did? No, a government entity created entirely 551 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,960 and I won't name them. You can read Dan Flor's book Coyote America, 552 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:51,679 but they created a poison that when the coyotes or once again whatever poor non 553 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,400 target thing ate them, it would take weeks for them to die, but 554 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,960 it would be a grueling few weeks where the pads on their paws would fall 555 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:07,719 off. Oh man, their fur would fall off. Literally, their skin 556 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,440 would just and this is a terrible word, but I have to use it, 557 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,400 slough off their bodies. What the hell is sluffed? Sluffing is like 558 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,360 I actually think that's gonna work. In the audio podcast, that's a great 559 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,119 way to describe it. And there was one so Dan Flores talks about this 560 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,039 one farmer who he had found. He went into his barn one day and 561 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,800 found a group of coyotes with no fur and no pop heads, huddling in 562 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,159 his barn for warmth. And do you know what he did? I I 563 00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:40,440 would hope shoot them, stab them to death with pitchforks. I would rather 564 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:45,719 he do that than let them suffer for the next two weeks, I guess, 565 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,840 But I feel like that just goes to show you, like how much 566 00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:55,360 people hated and sometimes still do hate coyotes, and it's I just don't really 567 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,199 get it. I mean, I'm also pretty biased, I guess now, 568 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,039 because I all so just love wolves and predators. But I just I can't 569 00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:07,639 imagine hating an animal so much for just existing that you'd want parts of its 570 00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:12,400 body to fall off slowly. I don't think it's that people hate them. 571 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,039 I think it's that people don't even think about it and don't care. If 572 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:21,559 you have some random person who doesn't know anything about the poison and they hear 573 00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:24,119 about this, like they hear that they're poison kyries. They don't think about 574 00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:30,400 the actual process of the body destroying itself. They just know that Kayri is 575 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,599 going to be dead and that's fine with them. It's brutal, once again, 576 00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:38,119 a brutal history we have with coyotes, and sometimes it's misplaced. I 577 00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:43,280 mean, in the case of Andrew, the attack he sustained was obviously super 578 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,440 random, and once again people don't really understand why it happened because coyotes in 579 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,679 their nature are unpredictable. I mean I have so. I used to be 580 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,639 an intern at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center and holder in his New Hampshire. 581 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,360 If you ever come New Hampshire, go check it out. They're easy 582 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,800 accredited. It's essentially like a little zoo, but you're just taking a walk 583 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,440 in the woods and seeing all the animals that live here and also used to 584 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,880 live here because they have mountain lions. But anyways, they have a coyote, 585 00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:12,599 or they have two coyotes, and they have one female who her mother 586 00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:15,760 was hit by a car and killed and she got her little paw run over 587 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,599 and could never be released, so she lives there and she was basically an 588 00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:23,840 ambassador for her species. So I was helping to teach a class of six 589 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:29,360 year olds that summer, and there was this one girl. I'm not super 590 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,880 a fan of children. I don't know if that's come across yet, not 591 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,039 really good with them. I don't really know what to say to them, 592 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,280 so I was doing a best I basically just talked to them like their little 593 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,119 adults. So this one little girl, she was super ficiy and I was 594 00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:44,159 like, Hey, we're gonna go see a talk with a live coyote. 595 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,400 Sit next to me. Do not move the entire time, please, She 596 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,440 said, okay, So we go sit down. We're in an enclosed room. 597 00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:53,840 Okay, the coyote comes out. She's on a leash, of course, 598 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:58,239 but they have some little different scent things on the ground for her so 599 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,440 she can show all the other kids around how she sniffs out food and whatever 600 00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:06,199 as they're talking about the coyote's natural history to teach these little kids. So 601 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:10,199 what is the little girl I told to stay in her seat? Do no? 602 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,559 She jumps down to sit in the seat in front of where her seat 603 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:20,000 was, and as soon as she moved, that coyote whipped around and snapped 604 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,960 in the air, and that little girl came back to me so fast and 605 00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:27,480 was so scared, and I was like, I told you, they are 606 00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:31,440 unpredictable animals. They are nervous. There is a reason people don't keep coyotes 607 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,239 as pets. It's because they are very nervous, unpredictable animals, and that's 608 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,320 how they survived so long, and that's how they're now in like every major 609 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,719 city in North America. I just think they're cool. They deserve a lot 610 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,880 of respect for how adaptable they are, and I feel like they're really similar 611 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,760 to humans in a lot of ways, and it makes us uncomfortable, honestly, 612 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,480 And also the fact that we can't control them makes us uncomfortable. Yeah, 613 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,639 I think that's a big part of it. Yeah, which is really 614 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,320 unfortunate because if that's how we're gonna value animals based off of how we can 615 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,679 control them, that's not really a good setup for a lot of other animals 616 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,320 in the world. So now I do have a question for you. So 617 00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:15,039 we obviously there are coyote population controls happening. Whether it's an open season, 618 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:19,800 a bounty, or if they're poisoning, they're going to have these programs. 619 00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:23,239 Do you prefer it as a hunt or as poisoning or trapping or things like 620 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:29,079 that, because I have my personal opinion that people might not enjoy. I 621 00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:31,679 think the hunting is the most humane way to do it because you have experienced 622 00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:36,840 people who know how to kill things very quickly doing it, as opposed to 623 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,880 the three weeks of poison and suffering that these things go through in the example 624 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,920 you just gave us. Yeah, so I think first and foremost, the 625 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:51,000 fact that you're still able to buy like rat poison in stores is asinine to 626 00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:55,400 me. Actually is cyodine to me? Get it? You mean cyanide? 627 00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,840 Oh fuck? Yeah aha, I did it on purpose. It was a 628 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,679 funny thing. Sure yeah, sure, sure, sure, Le's do it 629 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,679 so good? This episode too comes around eventually. Nope. So the thing 630 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,760 with poison is your average Joe on the street who goes out and buys poison 631 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,840 because they have mice in their house doesn't understand that those mice don't immediately die, 632 00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:20,840 and then other animals like hawks and owls come and eat those and then 633 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,199 also get poisoned. I think poisoning is never, ever, ever the way 634 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,840 to go for any species. I somewhat agree with you about the hunting, 635 00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:31,199 however it goes back to the point I was saying, we're killing one coyote 636 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,320 doesn't do a damn thing to the populations. Are there going to be very 637 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,960 problematic individuals that probably need to be euthanized. Of course, that goes with 638 00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:43,320 every single species you have. If there are coyotes running up and grabbing pets 639 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,480 from people, I don't think they're gonna last very long because that's not a 640 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:49,760 thing a lot of people, even coyote activists, will tolerate. However, 641 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,760 that being said, I think if you have an issue coyote who's going after 642 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,760 your chickens or something, there are other ways to mitigate that electric fencing, 643 00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,320 baiting your electric fence with chicken or bacon or something, so the coyote has 644 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,960 to go up and lick that fence, like we talked about with black bears. 645 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:07,239 Another great deterrent besides air horns, those are really great for any animal, 646 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,599 just because it's super loud and abrupt. Carry a trash bag with you, 647 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:14,960 a big black trash bag. Anytime you see one, pop that sucker 648 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,000 in the air like you're about to fill a trash can with it. Because 649 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:23,159 the sudden noise, yeah, and the presence of something giant black and floating 650 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,880 really scares them, and there's actual scientific evidence to back that that's a more 651 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,639 useful way of harassment. So there are things that you can do to harass 652 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,159 coyotes and live with them safely. Also a thing we should remember, like 653 00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:39,239 we talked about with petros, they're very intelligent and they get very curious. 654 00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:43,599 So I have a lot of people call me and say, hey, I'm 655 00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:45,719 having an issue with coyotes. I put out wolf urine. It's not working, 656 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,719 and I'm like, well, yeah, first of all, these coyotes 657 00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:52,239 a coyote and New Hampshire know what wolf urine is. Thank you. Also, 658 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,079 do you know that it's even wolf urine? You have no idea of 659 00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:58,199 what you're going to buy it from. You buy it, some dude on 660 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,880 the corners scratch in his arm, so you have that. And then it's 661 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,119 like, also, they're curious animals, so what if that draws them in 662 00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:09,679 because they're curious about what it smells like. But yeah, I mean I 663 00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:14,039 think we should do a second coyote episode. What do you think I already 664 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,559 told you? Yeah? Hell yeah, yeah. I have a different story, 665 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,519 a local one that I would like to tell. And then we'll talk 666 00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:27,119 about different aspects of coyotes in that episode, and we will also get into 667 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:34,400 some disease ecology with a disease that I'm very familiar with, probably the most 668 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,800 familiar with of any of the wildlife diseases, just the one that you dropped 669 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,159 vaccines out of a plane for. Yes, a little bit of a teaser 670 00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:44,719 there for the people. Yeah, that is the thing I've done. So 671 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,679 I flew an airplane once. For a few seconds, you were, Oh 672 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,880 you did at that? Yes, I did. Thank you so much for 673 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,280 coming to episode six. I know we covered so much, and there's so 674 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,880 much there about our history with coyotes that I would love to get into more, 675 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,639 but we only have so much time. 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