1 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:09,160 Let's see, will are the impossible or whatever I made however improbable must be 2 00:00:09,199 --> 00:00:15,279 true. And it is not a question of the limpoper cultism or a touch 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,879 of mysticism. Is to dead? It is vampires. There's a host of 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:28,280 damned souls and hellipots, thy father spirit doomed for a certain term to walk 5 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:34,240 the night here. The old gods aren't dead, and what is the true 6 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:41,320 god? He's dead? Can't complain. People assume the time is a strict 7 00:00:41,359 --> 00:00:45,600 progression of cause to effect that action. From a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint, 8 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:51,960 it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimi stuff. You're 9 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:59,320 listening to Paranormal UK Radio. Hi, everybody, This is Irin Alan, 10 00:00:59,399 --> 00:01:03,439 the host of the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show for the Paranormal 11 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,280 UK Radio network. And I'm with that bloke I forgot his name again. 12 00:01:10,439 --> 00:01:17,719 Oh you're just teasing me. I'm just teasing you. Oh. I gotta 13 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,280 get used to this and now being you know, across the pond rather than 14 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:26,760 across the table from you. Yeah. Yeah, that was good, that 15 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,799 wasn't it. It was really good. You know, well it's good. 16 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,400 You know, well, first of all, I love being over there, 17 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,280 and uh but yes, us doing a show with us like actually facing each 18 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:45,200 other and reacting off of each other is a Yeah, was a treat. 19 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:53,280 Yeah, that was a show about clip over. Hey, wasn't it. 20 00:01:53,640 --> 00:02:00,799 Yeah? M hmm yep. All the fun research and ghostly happenings we had 21 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,319 happened while I was there. Yeah, that's right. I'm going to have 22 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:12,120 another one of those, only because I quite enjoyed it. You enjoyed it. 23 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:15,680 It's a pity you're not sitting across the table. But then again, 24 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:23,199 you know we can't have everything. So next year, next year when it 25 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:30,080 comes, yes, yes, next year. Oh, go on holiday when 26 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:36,400 you come, so you won't be there. Huh, well you just let 27 00:02:36,439 --> 00:02:38,840 me know. I'll leave the key under something out the back at the front 28 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,039 so you can get in. Okay, Oh sure, that's that would be 29 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:49,120 a fun holiday for me. He hasn't run in the place. Yeah, 30 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:52,919 it'll be just me and Gerty and Pepper. No, no, and take 31 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,840 Gerty and Pepper. You've got pickups mate? Oh god, yeah, make 32 00:02:57,879 --> 00:03:00,879 sure he doesn't, like, you know, try to RiPP my face off. 33 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:07,360 Pickles peewee the pope parrot. That's right, yea even a little bird 34 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:14,759 in the universe that he listened to me. A couple of times I talked 35 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,599 to him and was from a distance and he would get excited and jump around 36 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:23,159 from the cage and not act like he wanted to kill me. But then 37 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:30,599 there was one day why because you would not say it's more than like sounds 38 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:35,879 pretty English, mate, You were talking American Eese, and that's no good 39 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:44,240 for him. I can't understand Americanese. You can understand English. I have 40 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,000 to talk with a British accent. That's right. Solum in your mouth, 41 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,240 plumbing in my mouth. Yeah, I'm so rusty on that anyway. Well, 42 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:59,400 well, we'll definitely look forward to next time. Yeah, yes, 43 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:10,000 and in this next show just the two of us where we're talking about investigation. 44 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,360 Yeah, I can't wait to talk about that with everything that we are 45 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,920 starting to realize what we captured. So yep, that'll be an upcoming show. 46 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:24,360 But in the meantime, I want to introduce tonight's guest, who has 47 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:28,759 been on this show a few times now. I always love having him come 48 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:35,680 back. Our guest is Preston Dennett. There's an author and UFO researcher youth, 49 00:04:36,079 --> 00:04:42,240 mouf On Investigator, he's written. Preston, I don't know how many 50 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,480 books you've written now, but it seems like, you know, there's about 51 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:49,240 twenty five of them out there. It's actually thirty one now, Oh thirty 52 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:57,759 one, and I thought twenty five was highballing it there. I can't keep 53 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,240 up myself, So you know what you're You're gonna have Nick Redfern beat here 54 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:05,959 soon. We always used to tease Nick about how many like he would like 55 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:12,399 write a book for lunch or something. You better keep on his toes because 56 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:16,399 I've got another one lined up already. Oh boy, well it's it's you 57 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,560 know. I'm glad you've had a lot of success with all of these books 58 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:28,720 and the new one that's out which I'm currently reading, Humanoid. Yeah I 59 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:34,240 got it. Yeah, I bought it on Kindle. Oh there's something you 60 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:46,000 never do called Humanoids and High Strangeness twenty true UFO Encounters now Preston. You 61 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,800 know, for anybody listening who has not read any of Preston's books, I 62 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:58,639 highly recommend going out and start reading because he does such a variety of topics 63 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:06,920 on the UFO subject in general, but everything from just regional sightings to personal 64 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:15,720 encounters, and this one I especially enjoy because it is people interacting with other 65 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:21,800 types of entities and experiencing some very high strangeness involved with it, which we've 66 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:28,000 heard of, you know, I've heard of before talking with other experiencers, 67 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:35,399 just how otherworldly some of these experiences can be. How long did it take 68 00:06:35,439 --> 00:06:40,879 you to collect the stories for this one? Oh? Gosh, well years? 69 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,120 Really. Some of these I've been holding onto for a while because it 70 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:50,399 just didn't fit into other books, and sort of they were ongoing honestly, 71 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:57,920 so I kept getting new information. Some are fairly recent, some are actually 72 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:03,680 quite recent. But yeah, it took took years actually interviewing these people and 73 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,839 transcribing the interviews and vetting the witness and doing all the things that go involved 74 00:07:10,879 --> 00:07:15,959 with investigations. Yes, definitely doing your research on that. I know a 75 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,839 few people who just do a lot of armchair research, copying and pasting, 76 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:30,879 not naming any names, but yeah, ye see who would that be, 77 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:40,560 doesn't Oh you know who I'm talking about? I know, Okay, somebody 78 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:53,879 we used to be associated with anyway, So with with the stories, and 79 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:59,079 there were a few, Like I said, I'm I'm a few chapters in. 80 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:01,920 I still have a lot more left to read, but what I read 81 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,560 so far intrigued me. With some of them. There was the one story 82 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:15,279 where you mentioned, and I don't know why this one struck me of the 83 00:08:15,439 --> 00:08:22,040 people seeing what you would call a flying platform. Yes, yes, I 84 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,399 know that case that you're talking about. Very interesting gentleman by the name of 85 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:31,840 Sebastian Vulos. And what was so fun about interviewing him is not only is 86 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:41,240 he really passionate and really very very emotional about his encounters. I'm like many 87 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,279 contacts, he's very eager to get the word out about this subject. But 88 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:50,960 it was a treat to interview him because he's from Lima, Peru. Being 89 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:56,639 here in the US, I get a lot of cases from here, but 90 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:01,200 this book I got to talk to people from all over the world England, 91 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:09,480 France, Australia, there's partly in China, Germany, Canada, and also 92 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,799 in South America, Argentina and Peru. So got a little bit of a 93 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:20,440 cultural no diversification, I guess, well, let's facing. South America has 94 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:26,399 always been a very big UFO hot spot, everything from Mexico on down to 95 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:31,320 Central and South America. Oh yeah, yeah, it's amazing. I think 96 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,240 UFOs are a little bit more accepted down there because you can't hide it and 97 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:41,559 it's just so active. And Sebastian he kind of grew up believing in UFOs 98 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:48,320 because his mother had had a very close upsighting at a party once where a 99 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,559 flying disc came right down over the house and covered for like twenty minutes during 100 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:58,480 a house party. It was a very interesting sighting, but it was in 101 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:05,440 essence just a sighting of a desk, and she, as well as her 102 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:09,080 husband. Sebastian's parents had had a number of sightings, so he kind of 103 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:15,879 always believed in this subject. But then things kind of ramped up for him 104 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:18,799 as a young adult when he moved out of the house. He was working 105 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:24,639 as a tourist guide, had learned English, so he was able to converse 106 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,159 with people from him, you know, the US and so forth, and 107 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,559 lost his job and so it was kind of depressed and really kind of trying 108 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:39,080 to search for answers and get another job, and I'd run out of money. 109 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:46,120 So he was basically on a vegetarian diet, which he felt was significant 110 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,080 because of what happened next. He was just in a space that was where 111 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,759 he was doing a lot of soul searching, and then one day he had 112 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:01,679 this very strange experience. He started spontaneously. I guess you would call it 113 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:05,559 remote felling. He didn't really realize what was happening, but in his mind's 114 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:13,759 eye he saw this image of this glowing kind of orange, fiery square shaped 115 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:18,720 object or rectangular rather, and he's like, well, this is odd because 116 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:22,799 he's looking down upon it in his mind's eye and he recognizes the area. 117 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,759 It's the town of Lina, some distance north from his house where he's staying, 118 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,039 and he's like, huh, I wonder what this means. And he's 119 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,480 watching this thing move closer and closer to his actual location in his mind's eyes 120 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:43,159 still, and it's getting real close to his house, when suddenly he hears 121 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:52,480 this phrase in his head in a Spanish mira els yellow, which means look 122 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:56,960 at the sky, look up, And of course he does, and he 123 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:03,159 can now see this thing physically with his eyes. It's this giant, orange, 124 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:09,600 glowing rectangle, and inside of it he sees a human looking figure. 125 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:15,600 And I guess you know, in UFO terms, we call this Nordic, 126 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:20,320 meaning pretty much human looking. I don't like the term Nordic because it kind 127 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,679 of implies it's going to be a white person. Isn't always. And I've 128 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:28,960 talked to many people who've seen all kinds of human looking ets of I guess 129 00:12:30,039 --> 00:12:35,519 different ancestries. But yeah, in his case, it was a Nordic looking 130 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:41,840 individual. He said, very broad shouldered, very muscular, quite tall, 131 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:50,080 and looking very much like the Truvian Man by Leonardo da Vinci. This is 132 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,120 how he described it, which I thought was interesting. Really, the only 133 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:00,440 difference was in the Vitruvian Man. The sketch shows the figure with the arms 134 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:05,480 outstretched to the side, and he said, in this case, this figure 135 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:11,360 had its arms stretched forward, kind of in a supplicating gesture. And it 136 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:16,720 was interesting because he felt this intense wave of love coming from this like this 137 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:22,279 was a long lost relative, or even more than that, because it was 138 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:30,519 just this very intense feeling of love coming from this figure. And he watched 139 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:35,759 this thing just come right over his house, and I believe Rand decided to 140 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:39,000 get another witness or no called out to her someone else in the house, 141 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:43,240 and it was already moving off at this point, but she did see it, 142 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:48,159 not close enough to see the figure and they go back into the house. 143 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,320 Mind you, it's afternoon and they go back into the house and boom, 144 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,360 he looks outside. It's dark, so he had had missing time. 145 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,960 M Yeah, that was his first encounter, but that was followed up by 146 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,720 several I think this is what you're talking about sightings of where he saw a 147 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:11,720 flying humanoid. And this first one was so weird. You know, you 148 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:18,559 do get a number of cases of flying humanoids in Mexico and Soft and Central 149 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:24,360 American. Yeah, I've seen videos that are years old on YouTube about showing 150 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:30,679 these weird, weirdly shaped humanoid type figures flying through the air. Yeah, 151 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,240 you don't get a lot in the US. Really, Elsewhere there's some. 152 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:39,279 I've definitely found some. There was one over Lax Airport for a while, 153 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,360 Yeah, freaking people out, a flying humanoid. Apparently not a guy on 154 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:50,399 a jetsuit because they could not track it. But yeah, in Sebastian's case, 155 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:56,360 he saw this short little dwarf. He described it almost looked like it 156 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,320 was wearing a hood, kind of like uh, you know those little guys 157 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:09,840 on Star Wars games, Yeah, theows or like Yoda or something. And 158 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:16,159 he said it almost okay, was writing a flying carpet, which I thought 159 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:20,759 was kind of an interesting statement to make, considering you know, there's myths 160 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:24,240 and legends of that, but quite low lowing up where he got a good 161 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:30,879 look at it, and it kind of just went over and was gone. 162 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,120 But it was followed up by two other sightings a weird timing pattern. I 163 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:39,679 think it was like one week and five minutes later after the first sighting he 164 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:45,519 had a second, Then one week after that and five minutes later he had 165 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:50,320 a third sighting, and his mom saw it on that occasion, so she 166 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:56,320 actually called him out, like, there's your flying illinoid, so very interesting 167 00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:00,440 and so bizarre, and he just, I mean, isn't Conor's ramped up 168 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:07,519 from there? As you talk about people that lose time? Have you ever 169 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:12,399 had interviewed anyone that's going time? I sure have, Irene. I'm glad 170 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:18,279 you mentioned next there's two cases in the book of that. Can I tell 171 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,840 you in my case? Boss? Yeah? Before you used up? Yeah? 172 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:29,720 Sure, Okay. A few days ago, I woke up exactly four 173 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:36,600 o'clock in the morning, I got out of bed, all right, I 174 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:41,240 walked around the bed and I even tied it up. The covers because they'd 175 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,399 all fallen into one side, so I pulled them over. I went to 176 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:51,960 the loop, came out, my slippers back off. Check the time again, 177 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,879 just come four o'clock. Okay, I know this is because as soon 178 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:00,960 as I put the light on to get up, the flock is on the 179 00:17:02,039 --> 00:17:07,519 wall opposite my bed. So don't help, but see it. I'm going 180 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:14,720 to bed. I had a beautiful sleep and I felt like I had slept 181 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:19,119 for very deeply for hours. And when I try woke up, I couldn't 182 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,359 open my eyes. So I'm trying to force them open with my fingers, 183 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,359 and I'm thinking to myself with a bird smote a bit quiet out there because 184 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:32,960 I got trees outside the window. But if I get my eyes open, 185 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:36,440 I know I'm going to see beautiful, lovely sunshine today through the window. 186 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,319 And I finally got my eyes open, it was pitch dark and I turned 187 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:48,519 on the light and it was twenty to four. Wow. That isn't mak 188 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:55,440 about it the other day and I can't figure it out. Yeah, I 189 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,400 mean, I wish I had an easy answer for you. I've heard this 190 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:03,960 before from other people, and it wasn't as if I was dreaming it. 191 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:07,240 I wasn't asleep. I was up walking around that room at four o'clock. 192 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,400 Yeah. The first time people started telling these stories, I'm like, well, 193 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:17,240 I kind of concluded you probably just looked at the clock wrong. And 194 00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:19,039 I kind of stuck to my guns on that until I kept coming up. 195 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,240 People were saying things I looked at the clock twice pour a clock and then 196 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,359 just after four when I got back into bed. Yeah, I mean I 197 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:36,680 think four when I woke up. Ets do have the ability to pull people 198 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:40,559 out of the time stream, I guess would be the best way of putting 199 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:45,960 it. And I do have cases where people were put back earlier and it's 200 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:51,880 very confusing. Wow, but I could be that's what's happening. And I 201 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,960 found like I'd had a really relaxed, dates long sleep. Oh and there 202 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:00,240 was a red car involved. I didn't dream when I got back into bed, 203 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:03,160 and before I woke up again, I dreamt of a red car. 204 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:10,000 M. Yeah, it's hard to say for sure, because that's a little 205 00:19:10,039 --> 00:19:14,279 different from most of the cases I get where people are perhaps driving along on 206 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,759 a truck takes some two hours and boom they get there in an hour, 207 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:29,079 which is flatly impossible. And I in one cup. I can't I explain 208 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,359 it. I'm ready call it explaining. You know, I woke up at 209 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,359 four o'clock. I do whatever I've gotta do, look about the bed just 210 00:19:33,559 --> 00:19:37,680 after four? Are they there for a couple of minutes? And then I 211 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:41,359 fall back to sleep. I wake up at twenty to four. Well, 212 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:47,559 you know it's with our concepts of time. We've discussed this many times in 213 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,759 the past. Huh there, pardon the pun. You know, time is 214 00:19:52,359 --> 00:20:03,200 wonky relative and all time happening at once. So with realities changing, maybe 215 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,880 maybe you slipped into a slightly altered reality when you went to the loop. 216 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,720 Who knows. There's a lot of different possibilities that may not even involve aliens. 217 00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:25,680 Just the fact that you just experienced a wonky time event. Yeah, 218 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:29,480 a lot like If anybody else has ever had anything like that happened to them, 219 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,839 please contact us at infillip pa UK radio dot com. Yeah. I 220 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:40,759 think times story it is time is a bit more fluid and flexible. Yes, 221 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:48,279 well, what about the stories of people. I actually have someone and 222 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,359 I after the show, if you hang for a minute, there's someone I 223 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:59,400 want to talk to you about. But I know someone who's been having encounters 224 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:07,680 and they feel like they've been gone a week and they just wake up and 225 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:15,559 it's just a few two hours later. And that that does involve UFOs and 226 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:18,799 ets, but it feels like, I mean, how many cases have you 227 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,319 come across where it seems like people have been gone for a very long time, 228 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,599 when in fact they're brought back almost the exact same moment, or maybe 229 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:33,039 just a little bit later. Yeah, that's not at all unusual. Actually, 230 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,640 that's exactly what I'm talking about. I mean, Dolly Saffron in my 231 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,440 book Symmetry, had that experience many times where they would take her from her 232 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:45,519 room and she would be with them for sometimes two hours, but a few 233 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:51,319 times a couple of weeks. She's fully conscious of this. This is not 234 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,359 missing time as we would think of it. Yeah, it's put back minutes 235 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:02,640 later. So they absolutely have that ability of her many times of people being 236 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,880 hours on board of craft and put right back, like at the scene of 237 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,079 an accident. Even I've got a couple of cases of that. People have 238 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,599 a car accident, they're pulled out, they're healed, takes an hour or 239 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:21,119 two put back and the ambulance is just arriving time is such a fascinating thing. 240 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,160 We really need to look at it from a completely different perspective and not 241 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:37,759 so linear. Not so linear because I experienced a couple of events here and 242 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:44,599 there. Nothing framatic, but it just there's a lot of strangers going on 243 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,119 there. Some of the other cases that you mentioned, you mentioned you're getting 244 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,799 cases from all over the place. Well, because Irene is from the UK. 245 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,359 What's a good case from the book that you've had from somebody that was 246 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:06,960 over the UK. Yeah. I interviewed this really wonderful gentleman by the name 247 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,839 of Andy Daley from I'm not going to pronounce this right, but I'll try 248 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:18,799 Warwickshire, Warwickshire, England, and he had some whole variety of paranormal experiences. 249 00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:26,720 Actually he had encounter with a hairy, demonic dwarf. I don't know 250 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:36,599 exactly what it was. My husband could also a hostile ghost and an angelic 251 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:42,680 encounter. That's some really interesting UFO encounters as well. But the most interesting 252 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:47,119 I thought was when he was eight years old. This is on January eighth, 253 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,960 nineteen eighties birthday. Actually, he had woken up super early in the 254 00:23:53,000 --> 00:24:00,319 morning and felt lonely and decided he was going to crawl into his parents' bedroom, 255 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:07,200 but his father who was still asleep, of course, so he kind 256 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,599 of just slid into bed next to him and was waiting for him to wake 257 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,680 up. The door was ajar. It was slightly open, and he saw 258 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:22,119 someone was kind of jingling on the door handle, which was weird to him 259 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,880 because the door was already open. You don't really need to use the handle. 260 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,960 And it opened a little bit more. He could see a shadow coming. 261 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,319 It was exerted on the wall there, and outsteps this short, little 262 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:41,720 creature. Definitely not a normal being, he because it was covered with hair 263 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,000 from head to toe, and it was about three or four feet tall, 264 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,200 you know, right up to the door knob, but not over It had 265 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:57,400 this dark, small eyes and a large mouth filled with very sharp teeth, 266 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,839 and it was staring right at him. I mean, it locked gazes with 267 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:06,799 him. He knew he wasn't dreaming. He could see the shadow on the 268 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,799 wall. He had never fallen the sleep, so this thing has just stopped 269 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:18,480 there, staring right at him, and he's terrified. Naturally, he terrified 270 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,240 to the point where he can't really move. He wants to wake up his 271 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,359 dad, but he's afraid to even move, so he's just nudging his dad 272 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,680 with his elbow a little bit. Of course, his dad wouldn't wake up 273 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:34,680 or didn't wake up. Yeah, he's so frightened at this point that he 274 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,279 decides he's just going to close his eyes and wish that this thing goes away. 275 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,599 So he does that and waits, you know, ten twenty thirty seconds 276 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,480 and opens his eyes, and of course it's still there, still glaring at 277 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:56,880 him and totally solid. Finally it starts to step back, disappears behind the 278 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:03,480 door, closes it slightly, and that he screams, wakes up his dad. 279 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:07,440 He was like, ah, you just had a nightmare. Everything's fine. 280 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,519 But no, it wasn't a nightmare. He was awake, he never 281 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:14,359 fell asleep, he never woke up. Yeah. I talked with him for 282 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,960 a long time about this because he wanted to know what it was. I 283 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,559 don't know, it's not always easy to interpret these things. Did it have 284 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,119 any sort of clothing on? I know it was hairy and everything, but 285 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,559 did it have any sort of clothing on? Because we interviewed Barry Fitzgerald one 286 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,880 day and he gave a story very very similar, but it took place in 287 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:44,000 Woodland. Yeah, it was a female and had was wearing like leather, 288 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,039 but she was hairy. Wants more. I actually don't remember that story because 289 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:53,720 it's been so long since we've talked to Barry. Yeah, well, well 290 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:57,599 that's certainly interesting. I never heard did you ask whether did you ask whether 291 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,119 it wore? And it's sort of a thing like shoes or oh yeah, 292 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,759 no, No, it was just Harry from head to toe dark brown, 293 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:11,039 not quite black, but pretty dark, and the head was larger than you 294 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:18,799 would expect from a normal monkey type. Being later, you know, some 295 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:22,599 years later, he's still a kid, but he goes up to the attic 296 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,519 and pulls out a box of books to be a book on big foot, 297 00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,200 and opening it, he saw a picture of a big foot and he's like, 298 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:36,640 well, that's really close to what he saw. But it's weird. 299 00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:40,680 I mean, he's in the house. I do have cases where big Foot 300 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,279 has appeared in people's homes, in their bedrooms. There's a paranormal sort of 301 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:51,839 aspect. Yea, that yeah, people have told us about that sort of 302 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:59,119 thing. What about the ghost thing, the aggressive ghost that is so yeah, 303 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:03,839 that happened later as an adult where he was sleeping. It just had 304 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,279 a child and he was sleeping with his wife. The kid was in a 305 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,960 crib in the corner, and he woke up because he felt somebody kind of 306 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:18,160 pushing on him and messing around with his head, kind of running his fingers 307 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,039 through his hair or something. He thought, oh, I must be dreaming, 308 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,480 but it kept pulling him into the waking state, and finally he's fully 309 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:33,599 awake, and he can still feel this unpleasant, almost painful pressure on his 310 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,160 head, as if someone is trying to squeeze his head or something into the 311 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,319 push it down into the bed. When it got real bad, he instantly 312 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,400 had this image in his head of who it was, and he saw a 313 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:53,880 very angry old man who was basically physically assaulting him, trying to beat him 314 00:28:53,960 --> 00:29:02,400 up, and it really quite upset him. And having had some psychics you 315 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,079 know abilities at this point, because he had an angelic encounter prior to this 316 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,359 which was quite profound, so he had that to sort of draw on, 317 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,599 and he's jumped up and he spoke out loud to this ghost, basically saying, 318 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,839 go away. You have no right to attack me. Don't you realize 319 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:27,160 you're dead or someone you should find and go to the other side. There's 320 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,000 light there. You'll be much happier. But you have no right to be 321 00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:34,519 in my house. This is my house now it's not yours. And that 322 00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,359 stopped the activity. Well, it was just once that this happened, but 323 00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:41,960 he decided to do some investigations because he's wondering, you know, am I 324 00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:45,960 making this up? Am I crazy? What is going on here? But 325 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,319 found out that the prior owner did match the description, and not only that, 326 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:59,079 he had fallen down the stairs tragically, passing away from his injuries and 327 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,160 wasn't found for like three days. So that would be fit in with what 328 00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:10,079 we often see with earth bound spirits of a sudden death, don't realize that 329 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:17,079 they've passed. Yeah, you know, I not to get off the subject 330 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:23,799 exactly of UFO and alien encounters, but it's not exactly the same. But 331 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,799 it reminds me of that instant you had when I was visiting you, Irene, 332 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:33,160 with that thing in the room that showed up in your bedroom that night. 333 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:40,200 Oh yeah, you felt like it was in your face. Oh God 334 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:48,160 Almighty had putrid. It was not God dog barking when you hit a dog. 335 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:56,480 No, No, this this thing I knew it was in the room 336 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:06,599 and there was a smell was absolutely horrendous. It was putred and it was 337 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:12,079 right in my face and I what I was seeing was this grotesque feature, 338 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:21,920 humanoid, twisted, horrible looking thing straight in my face and it was down. 339 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,319 I was laying in the bed on my side, and it was like 340 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:32,400 pushing its face into my face. There was that close. I'm doing it 341 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,920 with my hand, not that you can see, but I've got my hand 342 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,240 in right in front of my face. Yeah, it was practically touching my 343 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,000 face and the smell was horrendous. I just let it have it. I'm 344 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:51,039 afraid when I say let it have it, I let them habit in. 345 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:56,440 I can't swer it on the radio because I get complaints that sounds like a 346 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:02,279 demonic spirit just because yeah, I demonic, Okay, totally demonic. But 347 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:10,359 it was obviously passing through. She has a way of telling them to f 348 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:22,680 off. So get with seeing little people or there's a lot of stories of 349 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:28,759 people seeing very short I mean, and grays themselves are normally looked at as 350 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:36,279 being you know, very short four feet tall. Or maybe you have one 351 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,160 chapter that I've I'm not quite up to you yet that I'm interested in the 352 00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:45,519 blue men. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about that, 353 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,359 then I'll tell you about my why my interest is, isn't that? 354 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:52,680 Yeah, Well, that's what I love about this book because feature is not 355 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,160 just grays, but all different types of humanoids, and boy, there's a 356 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,960 lot. And occasionally I get these reports of the tiny little troll like blue 357 00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:08,079 guys, blue skinned figures. And this gentleman, Ron Johnson, from East 358 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:14,279 Palo Texas called me up because he had seen an illustration that my sister in 359 00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:19,640 law did of one of these blue fellows and it matched exactly what he saw. 360 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,519 So he was quite excited about it because he had done his own research 361 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:28,799 and found very few cases. I've got a number of them, certainly, 362 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:34,000 but it's pretty rare. He and his younger brother, they were about four 363 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,640 or five years old. This is in the early nineteen seventies. The other 364 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:44,960 bedroom would fill up with light and suddenly the inn would walk this very tall 365 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:49,079 figure which would stand in the corner. And by tall, I mean it's 366 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,759 eight maybe nine feet tall. It's right up to the ceiling, very thin. 367 00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:57,480 It could not really see it because the light was so bright, but 368 00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:04,279 it would be followed by short little grays and the blue, tiny little humanoids 369 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:12,199 which were very squatty, very kind of flat faces, all wrinkled up and 370 00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:17,400 not big big eyes, kind of smaller eyes, but very sparkly dark eyes 371 00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:23,440 and thick fingers. And here's the interesting part to me too, because this 372 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:30,199 is how they're often described, is wearing robes, hooded robes, very much 373 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:36,920 like again, you know Yoda or something, and you know Whitley Streeper described 374 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,039 this in his book. That's why I was going to bring it up, 375 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:45,440 because that in his very first book, Communion, in fact, the first 376 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:53,519 entity he consciously remembered from that first encounter. Well turned out later it wasn't 377 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:59,719 his first encounter, but the first one he consciously remembered from nineteen eighty five 378 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:06,599 dealing with the short, troll like blue figures and they were hooded, so 379 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,840 it sounded. And I've heard a couple of other similar stories. You don't 380 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,000 hear about that type of alien that often, but I have heard about it 381 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:19,039 more than once. But that he That's where I first heard about it was 382 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:23,079 in Communion. Yeah, when I watched his movie, which wasn't a great 383 00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:30,000 great movie, but it was certainly interesting. They did a little they represented 384 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:32,639 those blue guys. I'm like, whoa, that is very close to my 385 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,880 sister in law drew what other witnesses have described to me. And yeah, 386 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,039 I mean he saw them many many times. You know what's really funny about 387 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,599 his case, because this is just here's where the high strangeness comes in. 388 00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:49,920 He and his brother, after they would have one of these encounters, would 389 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:57,519 wake up in the morning, tightly rolled up in their quilts their bedsheets like 390 00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:02,239 a burrito. Tight they could not get out, they could not free themselves, 391 00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:06,000 and they would call to their parents like, I help, hell, 392 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:10,920 we're stuck in our sheets. It would be either the quilt or the sheet 393 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,199 both And that just made me laugh because I've heard that like three other times. 394 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,239 It's super rare, but it does happen. There's no way they could 395 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,599 have done it themselves. Their parents were absolutely baffled, and the kids are 396 00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:28,239 like, the little blue guys came and they're like you're dreaming. They're like 397 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,760 no, the room filled with light and said, well, that's the light 398 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,199 outside the window and they're like no, no, no, but didn't connect 399 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,039 it to the fact that they're stuck there and the sheets all wrapped up don't 400 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:45,039 you just love how parents dismiss most things kids say is just all at your 401 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:49,760 imagination. I can't tell you how many times I had something happened when I 402 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,519 was younger, and like, I'd hear somebody calling my name. I thought 403 00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:55,920 it was my mother. I'd go to her and say, what do you 404 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,519 want? She goes, what do you mean? I'm like, just heard 405 00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:01,480 you calling me? She goes, Nope, wasn't me, And I well, 406 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:04,880 I heard you. She goes, Oh, it's just your imagination. 407 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:12,159 That's shame on those parents. Yeah, the hell it was, because I 408 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,559 heard it several more times in my life. There's so many cases of that 409 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:22,239 where kids are just not believing in Contact always, as a rule, starts 410 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,800 it around age three, four or five, even up to seven or eight 411 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:30,840 or nine, but almost always at a very young age, kids are on 412 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:40,159 their own because their parents don't believe it. But some of the encounters that 413 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:46,760 you've talked about in your books are you know, sometimes when you say high 414 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:52,239 strangeness, I'm talking real high strangeness, things that just seem like out of 415 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:58,360 this world. You have a chapter called The Gray Et and a Bicycle. 416 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:02,920 Yes, I'm glad you brought that up because I haven't had the opportunity to 417 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,280 talk about this really at all, and because it's you know, later in 418 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,320 the book, and there's so many cases. But this lady grew up very 419 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,800 close to where I lived in Woodland Hills. I was into Panga Canyon, 420 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,000 which neighbors that, and moved to Knoga Park, which is on the other 421 00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:24,320 side. So I'm super familiar with where she's talking about, which was Wells 422 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:30,760 Drive in Woodland Hills, which is your regular suburb right outside of Los Angeles, 423 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:38,840 California. It well, yeah, yeah, it's really interesting, a 424 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:45,719 really nice lady, and she contacted me because I had done a lot of 425 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:52,599 research cases in this exact area. And one day, this was early morning. 426 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,719 She spent a lot of time outside because her home life wasn't great, 427 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,280 and she was ten years old, and she often go biking around in the 428 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,960 neighborhood with all the other kids. And that's what they were doing, just 429 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,400 biking around. And so they're going back and forth up Wells Drive when they 430 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,039 don't see a UFO, and at that age they hadn't really heard of UFOs. 431 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:21,159 They saw this object, a dark sort of saucer shaped object floating in 432 00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:24,320 the sky, at treetop level, right at the top of this driveway. 433 00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:30,159 So they go racing up this driveway, which is quite steep and one hundred 434 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:31,639 feet long, so they couldn't really bike up it. They had to push 435 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:37,599 their bikes, but got to the top and the object was gone. They 436 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:40,679 had lost interest in it by this point because it was such a brief sighting 437 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,519 and they couldn't explain it. So they decided, well, look, here's 438 00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:47,559 a nice steep driveway. Let's have fun. We'll ride down it and race. 439 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,639 They were doing that several times until you know, this is a group 440 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:57,960 of a half dozen kids. They decided let's go home and eat some snacks 441 00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:01,440 and rest. Janet decides, you know what, I'm just going to go 442 00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:06,199 up one more time. And she thought she was being real sneaky. She 443 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,079 would climb to the top of the driveway and race down and beat them because 444 00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:14,440 you know, with the momentum, she'd beat them to the house. But 445 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,320 she gets to the top of this driveway and there's nothing up there, just 446 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:24,440 a grove of eucalyptus trees. And out of this grove comes this little kid 447 00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:30,400 on a bicycle and he's you know, about one hundred yards are so away, 448 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,159 you know, one hundred and fifty feet two hundred three hundred, and 449 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,960 he's riding this bicycle but not well. He can't do it, and he's 450 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:44,280 kind of shimmying all over the place, and she's looking at him like, 451 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,199 wow, he looks strange. His fingers are way too long, he's barefoot, 452 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,760 his feet don't look right. He's got a huge head, there's no 453 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:59,639 hair, his eyes are enormous in black. In hindsight, she knows that 454 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,000 it was so gray, but at the time she was thinking, this is 455 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:07,800 a poor, deformed kid. Now, she had known someone who was severely 456 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,519 handicapped and had some real problems, so she was open to that idea and 457 00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:14,920 thought, well, you know, this is just a kid who has problems. 458 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,159 Maybe he'll be a new friend. And didn't run away or anything, 459 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,199 even though the closer he got, the more scared she got. Because by 460 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,599 the time he was right up to her, she realized, this is not 461 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,840 human. Whoever is on this bike, it's not a human being. But 462 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,480 it was confusing because he was wearing a pendleton buttoned down, long sleeved shirt 463 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,400 pants. You know, his bike looked new, had a little sissy bar 464 00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:45,280 on the back, and he steps off the bike, walks I'm their face 465 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,519 to face, reaches up to her and puts his hand on her shoulder, 466 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,679 and she can see at this plan he only has four fingers, no real 467 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:59,400 mouth, not much of a nose, no ears. So that's when she 468 00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,679 just is it. She's like, this is not right. She's frozen in 469 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:10,159 fear. Yeah, And next thing she knows, he's gone, Just boom, 470 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,239 he's gone, and she freaks out and races down the driveway. She's 471 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:21,199 thinking she's still going to beat everyone home, not realizing that some time had 472 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,679 past, and in fact, when she finally got reached the house where all 473 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,159 the other kids went, they were sitting there eating and they're like, where 474 00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:30,480 have you been? It's been an hour? And she's like, did you 475 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:34,519 see did you see the freak? Boy? Did you see the monster? 476 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,719 There's a monster And they were like, shut up, you're just trying to 477 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,719 scare us, and no, it's been an hour. What are you talking 478 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:46,800 about? And that was her childhood and counter that was her introduction to all 479 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:53,880 this. It's a very strange case, but not wholly unique, well only 480 00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:01,880 in that you have a gray rest in human clothes trying to ride a bike 481 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:08,239 of all things. I mean, I've heard of stories of people seeing very 482 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,199 strange looking people who look like they're trying to disguise themselves, and they say 483 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:22,320 they look very alien, even Whitley Strieber said of what his publisher. I 484 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,079 think once was in a bookstore and a couple of people were looking at Communion 485 00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:30,639 and commenting on it and saying, oh, he got that part all wrong. 486 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:34,760 And when he went to talk to them, they just glared at him, 487 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,840 and he just said, they just looked strange. But to be riding 488 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:45,519 a bicycle, no, it's it's beyond bizarre. I mean, this is 489 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,880 definitely high strangeness. I do have other cases where your tease have come into 490 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:57,880 people's homes dressed in a tuxedo or a suit, or human clothes, a 491 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,079 cowboy hat. I'm dressed up in a clown suit, even especially with kids. 492 00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:05,960 Well, you used to hear a lot about the hat man. Didn't 493 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,559 you from me much about that? Now? Yeah, that could be related 494 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:15,880 to all this. I don't know, it's hard to say. I suspect 495 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:21,800 that what was going on here was that was a technique, you know, 496 00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:25,960 something that they decided to use to sort of reduce the fear factor and introduce 497 00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:31,719 themselves to her in a way that wasn't perhaps as frightening. It didn't work, 498 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,679 by the way, but it was a good attempt. Or how much 499 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,320 how much of these types of encounters that you're mentioning, not only just the 500 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:46,079 bicycle, but people seeing aliens and clothes in their rooms and whatnot, how 501 00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:52,280 much of that is a screen memory? You know, that's it's for them 502 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:58,599 to think about later after everything's happened, to lessen the blow or make it 503 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,639 seem either way too strange to be afraid of, or add a little bit 504 00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:08,679 of some kind of normalcy to it. Yeah, I definitely agree that there 505 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:14,599 are screen memories for sure. That often happens with very young kids who have 506 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:20,360 these grays come into their bedroom, usually grays. And I've heard such a 507 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,920 wide variety of screen memories from you know, three four foot tall Teddy Bears, 508 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:32,480 owls, Barbie dolls, superheroes, cowboys, clowns, clowns, clowns, 509 00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:39,519 a lot of those before they everyone became scared to death of them. 510 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:46,440 Yeah, which makes me wonder. Thank you Stephen King and John Wayne Gacy, 511 00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,199 Right, I wonder about that. I brought that up at a UPO 512 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,920 support meeting once. I was curious because I had gotten three cases in a 513 00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:59,280 row of kids who were like having these alien clowns coming, Like, how 514 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,719 do you guys feel a clowns? I must I might as well have set 515 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:07,920 off a tear gas bomb or something, because the room exploded. Everyone's like, 516 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,880 oh my god, I hate clowns. It's funny. I was watching 517 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:17,960 TV ones and this lady, Yeah, this lady was in the room and 518 00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:23,480 a clown walked in. She fainted dead away. Let's how fear her stronger 519 00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:27,480 fear of clowns was. And I've wondered to myself, I bet she's a 520 00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:31,639 contact and had this happen. I don't know. It makes you wonder because 521 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,239 when you when I was a kid, you know, you go to the 522 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,800 circus and everybody looked forward to the clowns and and they were funny, and 523 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:46,239 yet the whole Oh, I don't know what the correct word would be, 524 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,639 you're the off, you're the writer, paradigm or whatnot. There is a 525 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:58,320 shift to where now it seems more people than not find clowns to be terrifying. 526 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,119 Yeah, I think a lot that also is that film that came out 527 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,039 It won't. Yeah, well, I mean between that, there was a 528 00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:10,039 few couple of years back when people were seeing these there was all these creepy 529 00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:19,639 clown sighting the college kids and things. Won't it that, But I don't 530 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,000 really fully explained it. It just it just happened. And the stories. 531 00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:27,400 I mean, I don't know how much of it was urban legend, and 532 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:34,639 but it really caught on wildfire. And now it seems again whether it's based 533 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,760 on people having ET experiences or not, you know, most people seem to 534 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:45,400 have a fear of clowns. It seems like that's why clowns themselves are like 535 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,159 kind of going away. Yeah. I don't like clowns me personally. I 536 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,760 just don't. I don't think they're funny or fun so, yeah, it 537 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,480 doesn't surprise me. I think it was a technique for by the ETS to 538 00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,599 reduce the fear factor and approach kids. Is something that might be fun, 539 00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:07,920 but it backfired. And now look how prevalent fear of clowns is in our 540 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:14,239 society. I think that points towards how common contact is. That this was 541 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,360 a technique that was probably widely used by the ETS. Put it wrong, 542 00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:27,239 Preston, I've just been looking at your book on Amazon dot com. Yeah, 543 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:32,800 how are you okay? By the way people and you talk about I 544 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:37,840 was just reading the writer and there are so many people that have been given 545 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:47,639 a message by aliens, important messages, been taught something. Yes, yeah, 546 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,159 that's actually quite common. You know, a lot of people do have 547 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,760 a lot of fear, and when you have a very strong fear reaction, 548 00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,599 probably won't get the message other than you know, don't be afraid. We 549 00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:04,480 won't hurt you, No harm will come to you. You're fine. But 550 00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:08,159 if you don't have a strong fear reaction, ets will communicate. They'll tell 551 00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:13,199 you exactly what's going on. We're saying, listen, you've got this illness. 552 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,880 We're trying to heal you. But their message is very clear and it 553 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:22,400 hasn't changed over fifty years. They've been saying the same darn thing over and 554 00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:28,679 over and over. Grays, mantids, human looking tall, right, you 555 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:36,320 name it. And their message pretty much universally is stop messing around with nuclear 556 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,719 power. It's very dangerous. You're affecting areas you don't even know of, 557 00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:46,239 your actual danger of destroying your entire planet. And it goes beyond that. 558 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:53,079 Of course, they want people about our warlike ways and aggression, or against 559 00:49:53,119 --> 00:50:00,440 greed and corruption, pollution and the destruction of the environment. That is one 560 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:08,559 of the real big agendas is to just warn to part the impart this information. 561 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:16,639 So if only that information could be put to good use, because it 562 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:25,239 seems like such a small percentage you know, runs the planet. They take 563 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,320 they're the ones doing all this stuff, and let's average people, other than 564 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:36,960 like shouting the warning, don't have much influence in stopping it. No, 565 00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:42,719 this is it. You'd think that they would concentrate on the MP's and people 566 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,719 in parliament and god knows what house those sort of people, rather than the 567 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,639 housewife is doing or washing up in the kitchen. But that seems to be 568 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:59,000 a common theme. They well, yeah, but even even most abductions, 569 00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:04,880 most people, it just seems like it's just common, average everyday folk have 570 00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:10,119 these encounters more than you know, a you know, a politician or a 571 00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:14,960 famous person, unless they're just being quiet about it. Yeah, well that's 572 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,599 exactly what I thought. I'm like, huh, And I started looking deeper 573 00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:22,360 into it because I have interviewed some people who are mega famous and will not 574 00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:29,239 come forward. You would recognize their names for sure, and people who are 575 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:36,239 in very high positions of society and going public would risk their jobs. And 576 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:42,239 I even looked into politicians because we have a lot of people who were presidents 577 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,599 or heads of state, senators, representatives, governors who have had major encounters 578 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,079 and of course are not talking about it. I do think that what we're 579 00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:58,639 seeing there is a real reluctance on people in those positions to come forward. 580 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:04,440 And they have communicated to our world leaders who are not nice people. I 581 00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:08,199 hate to say it, but they're just making some very poor choices and how 582 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:15,440 they're treating humanity at large and hoarding the wealth and inciting divisiveness and violence and 583 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:22,800 all about greed and selling weapons to both sides and funding wars, and so 584 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:28,239 they're not getting the message because they're not listening. That's why I think ETS 585 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:34,320 are doing what we would call a grass roots movement and telling everybody these things. 586 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,280 But it's funny because, yeah, I've got cases in the book. 587 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,679 Both involved two little girls who are you know, ten years old, who 588 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,920 were told by the ETS flat out, you need to tell everyone to stop 589 00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:52,400 the wars and show to them scenes of wars that were going to happen and 590 00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:53,920 you know, they're They're like, I'm just a little kid. You know, 591 00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:00,480 what do you expect me to do? Go ahead? I mean, 592 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,079 have you finished. He's still talking about that Christ but it in there. 593 00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:12,199 Sorry, No, I was I was gonna. I was gonna ask you 594 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,000 to the question. But go ahead. No, I wanted to know about 595 00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:22,159 the A woman from California is visited by a tree spirit. Ah. Yes, 596 00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:28,079 I love that case. It's so unusual. Yeah, I know. 597 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,039 And I've got trees all around my properties. Yeah, I mean I love 598 00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:37,800 trees. I think we all love trees, and yeah, there's something really 599 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:43,599 special about them and nature spirits. Certainly, there's something that appears in all 600 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:49,199 cultures if you dig into it, the idea of water spirits, sprites and 601 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:58,320 so far. Yeah, she described the spirit the tree spirit. Yeah, 602 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,800 to some degree. How it all rolled out for her was she was a 603 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:09,559 victim of a violent assault at school by the school bullied who beat her up 604 00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:15,480 so badly she was really in danger of dying and had to be both school 605 00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:20,360 and they moved and ended up moving into a forested area Julian, California. 606 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,920 And she had no friends, so her friends were trees, and she just 607 00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:30,559 started to look upon them, as you know, there is someone that gave 608 00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:36,920 her a sustenance and nurturing, who wouldn't, you know, commit violence to 609 00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:40,559 her. So she became a real tree hugger, so to speak, and 610 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,119 started having these very vivid, lucid dreams, which she says, you know, 611 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,840 I'll call them that, but they weren't dreams. They were real. 612 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,960 But it would happen in the sleep state, where every night she would wake 613 00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:59,760 up in the forest outside of her home. So perhaps these were out of 614 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:06,199 b experiences, those lines. But she said this tree spirit would come, 615 00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:07,880 and she says, I wish I could tell you what he looked like. 616 00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:13,239 I had the impression he was a beautiful man, but I never really saw 617 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,440 him, or she couldn't remember seeing him. She would see him, but 618 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:22,400 when she'd wake up, that would just escape. But he would talk to 619 00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:25,960 her about love and her life and what she was going to be doing in 620 00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:30,239 her future, and then she should pursue art and music and writing. What 621 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:36,760 she did, she provided a written testimony of her experiences that was just a 622 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,400 lovely It was really well written. And she also gave me a course an 623 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,639 interview, so I could feel in some of her perhaps, but This went 624 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:50,280 on for over a year and it was nightly. Every single night, she 625 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:55,519 would just have long conversations. He called himself Birch, which I thought was 626 00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:00,079 interesting because, yeah, I read I read that story. Yeah, because 627 00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:04,599 she's surrounded by pine trees, and you know, in eucalyptus and oaks, 628 00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,719 there weren't a whole there for some birch, but not a whole lot. 629 00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:12,679 And that's the name he gave her. And if you look up birch tree 630 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,960 there, they're a real special tree with a lot of uses. And yeah, 631 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:25,760 a long history using birch trees. But at some one point she was 632 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,440 having another meeting with this lovely tree spirit and he said, you know, 633 00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:34,639 this is going to be our last meeting. And she's like, well, 634 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,519 what are you talking about? And he's like, you're are okay now, 635 00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:43,239 you're healed. You don't need me anymore. I have to leave you now. 636 00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:47,840 And of course she never saw him again, never had another experience until 637 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,079 you know, she tried to call him back, reach out telepathically over and 638 00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:55,960 over again, even into adulthood. Occasually should just lie down, like Birch, 639 00:56:57,039 --> 00:56:59,880 where are you? And one day I think she was in her four 640 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:06,159 she's like reminiscing again and called out to him and got an answer, and 641 00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,000 he said, I'm here, and she she had this long conversation with him, 642 00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:15,119 and she managed to write a good portion of it down and asked him 643 00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,039 who are you? Are you an angel? And he said, no, 644 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,159 you could look at me that way, but I'm not. I'm more of 645 00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:25,239 a guide. I came to you because you called out to me and you 646 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:30,239 needed me. And basically he's said, you have a mission in life, 647 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:37,480 and the mission is to spread love, and I'd have to go into the 648 00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:40,559 book and that's exactly what he said, because I honestly don't remember, but 649 00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:45,480 it was along those lines. It was a short conversation, but quite profound 650 00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:52,599 and very philosophical. Well, is lovely things absolutely lovely to even think that 651 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:57,119 there's a tree spirit. Yeah, I don't doubt it for a second, 652 00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:00,880 because you know, I did my investigations and I'm like, wow, dry 653 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,639 out, this is a thing. This is appearing in most cultures. Yeah, 654 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,079 So I think you have to be psychically sensitive, and she is certainly. 655 00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:15,199 She's had a lot of precognitive dreams. Her mother really encouraged it, 656 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,920 whereas most parents would be like oh, you're imagining her mother sat her down 657 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:25,199 and said, let's do psychic exercises she developed. Yeah, well, listen, 658 00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:29,679 lovely, we're coming up in the end of the show here. I 659 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:35,119 mean, obviously there are many, many, many more stories within this book. 660 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,480 I have to have him back again. Oh of course in the crew 661 00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:45,280 get a crew here the President. Not to suck up to you, but 662 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,039 you are one of my favorite guests because you have such great stories, and 663 00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:54,079 you know, I feel the connection because we grew up so close physically close 664 00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:59,880 to each other in the valley. So especially all the UFO stuff that you 665 00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:05,960 talked about happened in the valley that I never encountered, but I find fascinating. 666 00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:12,960 So the book is Humanoise and High Strangeness twenty true UFO Inc. Counters. 667 00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:19,039 Now people can find this in Amazon and anywhere else. Yeah, online 668 00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:22,280 retailers should have it, Barnes and Noble and so forth bookstores as well. 669 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:29,159 You can also get more information from my website, which is Preston Dennett dot 670 00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:31,199 Weebley dot com. Just punch my name in it should take you there. 671 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,519 But yeah, I'm all over media. Are you doing any conferences? Are 672 00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:44,199 you making any appearance in the near future here and not in the near future. 673 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,800 I try to do one or two a year. It's been a rocky 674 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:52,760 few years for obvious reasons, and I don't know, it's just a lot 675 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,480 of work doing these conferences, so I don't do a whole lot of them. 676 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,199 But I don't have any currently planned. But I try to do a 677 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,960 couple of year. And I posted him on my Facebook and social media if 678 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,119 I do well. And as we talked before we started the show, you've 679 01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:17,400 had some television appearances on Ancient Aliens and the Unexplained and so people can look 680 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:22,239 for those as well. Pressing again, thank you very much for coming on 681 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:27,360 and can you hang for just one second after we're done, Yeah, of 682 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,079 course. Okay, Well, I want to thank everyone for tuning into another 683 01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:36,760 edition of the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show here on the Paranormal 684 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:43,199 UK Radio Network and Irene. Where can people find us? Everywhere? People 685 01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:49,639 everywhere else, especially Audible. We just found out we're on Audible. Yeah, 686 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,159 for free. You don't have to pay, all right, thank you 687 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:59,599 everyone, You have a wonderful week. We will be bet back next time 688 01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:01,880 with another brand new shows, so take care of be good humans. We'll 689 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,480 talk to you soon Hi.