Let's see, will are the impossible or whatever I made however improbable must be
true. And it is not a question of the limpoper cultism or a touch
of mysticism. Is to dead? It is vampires. There's a host of
damned souls and hellipots, thy father spirit doomed for a certain term to walk
the night here. The old gods aren't dead, and what is the true
god? He's dead? Can't complain. People assume the time is a strict
progression of cause to effect that action. From a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint,
it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimi stuff. You're
listening to Paranormal UK Radio. Hi, everybody, This is Irin Alan,
the host of the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show for the Paranormal
UK Radio network. And I'm with that bloke I forgot his name again.
Oh you're just teasing me. I'm just teasing you. Oh. I gotta
get used to this and now being you know, across the pond rather than
across the table from you. Yeah. Yeah, that was good, that
wasn't it. It was really good. You know, well it's good.
You know, well, first of all, I love being over there,
and uh but yes, us doing a show with us like actually facing each
other and reacting off of each other is a Yeah, was a treat.
Yeah, that was a show about clip over. Hey, wasn't it.
Yeah? M hmm yep. All the fun research and ghostly happenings we had
happened while I was there. Yeah, that's right. I'm going to have
another one of those, only because I quite enjoyed it. You enjoyed it.
It's a pity you're not sitting across the table. But then again,
you know we can't have everything. So next year, next year when it
comes, yes, yes, next year. Oh, go on holiday when
you come, so you won't be there. Huh, well you just let
me know. I'll leave the key under something out the back at the front
so you can get in. Okay, Oh sure, that's that would be
a fun holiday for me. He hasn't run in the place. Yeah,
it'll be just me and Gerty and Pepper. No, no, and take
Gerty and Pepper. You've got pickups mate? Oh god, yeah, make
sure he doesn't, like, you know, try to RiPP my face off.
Pickles peewee the pope parrot. That's right, yea even a little bird
in the universe that he listened to me. A couple of times I talked
to him and was from a distance and he would get excited and jump around
from the cage and not act like he wanted to kill me. But then
there was one day why because you would not say it's more than like sounds
pretty English, mate, You were talking American Eese, and that's no good
for him. I can't understand Americanese. You can understand English. I have
to talk with a British accent. That's right. Solum in your mouth,
plumbing in my mouth. Yeah, I'm so rusty on that anyway. Well,
well, we'll definitely look forward to next time. Yeah, yes,
and in this next show just the two of us where we're talking about investigation.
Yeah, I can't wait to talk about that with everything that we are
starting to realize what we captured. So yep, that'll be an upcoming show.
But in the meantime, I want to introduce tonight's guest, who has
been on this show a few times now. I always love having him come
back. Our guest is Preston Dennett. There's an author and UFO researcher youth,
mouf On Investigator, he's written. Preston, I don't know how many
books you've written now, but it seems like, you know, there's about
twenty five of them out there. It's actually thirty one now, Oh thirty
one, and I thought twenty five was highballing it there. I can't keep
up myself, So you know what you're You're gonna have Nick Redfern beat here
soon. We always used to tease Nick about how many like he would like
write a book for lunch or something. You better keep on his toes because
I've got another one lined up already. Oh boy, well it's it's you
know. I'm glad you've had a lot of success with all of these books
and the new one that's out which I'm currently reading, Humanoid. Yeah I
got it. Yeah, I bought it on Kindle. Oh there's something you
never do called Humanoids and High Strangeness twenty true UFO Encounters now Preston. You
know, for anybody listening who has not read any of Preston's books, I
highly recommend going out and start reading because he does such a variety of topics
on the UFO subject in general, but everything from just regional sightings to personal
encounters, and this one I especially enjoy because it is people interacting with other
types of entities and experiencing some very high strangeness involved with it, which we've
heard of, you know, I've heard of before talking with other experiencers,
just how otherworldly some of these experiences can be. How long did it take
you to collect the stories for this one? Oh? Gosh, well years?
Really. Some of these I've been holding onto for a while because it
just didn't fit into other books, and sort of they were ongoing honestly,
so I kept getting new information. Some are fairly recent, some are actually
quite recent. But yeah, it took took years actually interviewing these people and
transcribing the interviews and vetting the witness and doing all the things that go involved
with investigations. Yes, definitely doing your research on that. I know a
few people who just do a lot of armchair research, copying and pasting,
not naming any names, but yeah, ye see who would that be,
doesn't Oh you know who I'm talking about? I know, Okay, somebody
we used to be associated with anyway, So with with the stories, and
there were a few, Like I said, I'm I'm a few chapters in.
I still have a lot more left to read, but what I read
so far intrigued me. With some of them. There was the one story
where you mentioned, and I don't know why this one struck me of the
people seeing what you would call a flying platform. Yes, yes, I
know that case that you're talking about. Very interesting gentleman by the name of
Sebastian Vulos. And what was so fun about interviewing him is not only is
he really passionate and really very very emotional about his encounters. I'm like many
contacts, he's very eager to get the word out about this subject. But
it was a treat to interview him because he's from Lima, Peru. Being
here in the US, I get a lot of cases from here, but
this book I got to talk to people from all over the world England,
France, Australia, there's partly in China, Germany, Canada, and also
in South America, Argentina and Peru. So got a little bit of a
cultural no diversification, I guess, well, let's facing. South America has
always been a very big UFO hot spot, everything from Mexico on down to
Central and South America. Oh yeah, yeah, it's amazing. I think
UFOs are a little bit more accepted down there because you can't hide it and
it's just so active. And Sebastian he kind of grew up believing in UFOs
because his mother had had a very close upsighting at a party once where a
flying disc came right down over the house and covered for like twenty minutes during
a house party. It was a very interesting sighting, but it was in
essence just a sighting of a desk, and she, as well as her
husband. Sebastian's parents had had a number of sightings, so he kind of
always believed in this subject. But then things kind of ramped up for him
as a young adult when he moved out of the house. He was working
as a tourist guide, had learned English, so he was able to converse
with people from him, you know, the US and so forth, and
lost his job and so it was kind of depressed and really kind of trying
to search for answers and get another job, and I'd run out of money.
So he was basically on a vegetarian diet, which he felt was significant
because of what happened next. He was just in a space that was where
he was doing a lot of soul searching, and then one day he had
this very strange experience. He started spontaneously. I guess you would call it
remote felling. He didn't really realize what was happening, but in his mind's
eye he saw this image of this glowing kind of orange, fiery square shaped
object or rectangular rather, and he's like, well, this is odd because
he's looking down upon it in his mind's eye and he recognizes the area.
It's the town of Lina, some distance north from his house where he's staying,
and he's like, huh, I wonder what this means. And he's
watching this thing move closer and closer to his actual location in his mind's eyes
still, and it's getting real close to his house, when suddenly he hears
this phrase in his head in a Spanish mira els yellow, which means look
at the sky, look up, And of course he does, and he
can now see this thing physically with his eyes. It's this giant, orange,
glowing rectangle, and inside of it he sees a human looking figure.
And I guess you know, in UFO terms, we call this Nordic,
meaning pretty much human looking. I don't like the term Nordic because it kind
of implies it's going to be a white person. Isn't always. And I've
talked to many people who've seen all kinds of human looking ets of I guess
different ancestries. But yeah, in his case, it was a Nordic looking
individual. He said, very broad shouldered, very muscular, quite tall,
and looking very much like the Truvian Man by Leonardo da Vinci. This is
how he described it, which I thought was interesting. Really, the only
difference was in the Vitruvian Man. The sketch shows the figure with the arms
outstretched to the side, and he said, in this case, this figure
had its arms stretched forward, kind of in a supplicating gesture. And it
was interesting because he felt this intense wave of love coming from this like this
was a long lost relative, or even more than that, because it was
just this very intense feeling of love coming from this figure. And he watched
this thing just come right over his house, and I believe Rand decided to
get another witness or no called out to her someone else in the house,
and it was already moving off at this point, but she did see it,
not close enough to see the figure and they go back into the house.
Mind you, it's afternoon and they go back into the house and boom,
he looks outside. It's dark, so he had had missing time.
M Yeah, that was his first encounter, but that was followed up by
several I think this is what you're talking about sightings of where he saw a
flying humanoid. And this first one was so weird. You know, you
do get a number of cases of flying humanoids in Mexico and Soft and Central
American. Yeah, I've seen videos that are years old on YouTube about showing
these weird, weirdly shaped humanoid type figures flying through the air. Yeah,
you don't get a lot in the US. Really, Elsewhere there's some.
I've definitely found some. There was one over Lax Airport for a while,
Yeah, freaking people out, a flying humanoid. Apparently not a guy on
a jetsuit because they could not track it. But yeah, in Sebastian's case,
he saw this short little dwarf. He described it almost looked like it
was wearing a hood, kind of like uh, you know those little guys
on Star Wars games, Yeah, theows or like Yoda or something. And
he said it almost okay, was writing a flying carpet, which I thought
was kind of an interesting statement to make, considering you know, there's myths
and legends of that, but quite low lowing up where he got a good
look at it, and it kind of just went over and was gone.
But it was followed up by two other sightings a weird timing pattern. I
think it was like one week and five minutes later after the first sighting he
had a second, Then one week after that and five minutes later he had
a third sighting, and his mom saw it on that occasion, so she
actually called him out, like, there's your flying illinoid, so very interesting
and so bizarre, and he just, I mean, isn't Conor's ramped up
from there? As you talk about people that lose time? Have you ever
had interviewed anyone that's going time? I sure have, Irene. I'm glad
you mentioned next there's two cases in the book of that. Can I tell
you in my case? Boss? Yeah? Before you used up? Yeah?
Sure, Okay. A few days ago, I woke up exactly four
o'clock in the morning, I got out of bed, all right, I
walked around the bed and I even tied it up. The covers because they'd
all fallen into one side, so I pulled them over. I went to
the loop, came out, my slippers back off. Check the time again,
just come four o'clock. Okay, I know this is because as soon
as I put the light on to get up, the flock is on the
wall opposite my bed. So don't help, but see it. I'm going
to bed. I had a beautiful sleep and I felt like I had slept
for very deeply for hours. And when I try woke up, I couldn't
open my eyes. So I'm trying to force them open with my fingers,
and I'm thinking to myself with a bird smote a bit quiet out there because
I got trees outside the window. But if I get my eyes open,
I know I'm going to see beautiful, lovely sunshine today through the window.
And I finally got my eyes open, it was pitch dark and I turned
on the light and it was twenty to four. Wow. That isn't mak
about it the other day and I can't figure it out. Yeah, I
mean, I wish I had an easy answer for you. I've heard this
before from other people, and it wasn't as if I was dreaming it.
I wasn't asleep. I was up walking around that room at four o'clock.
Yeah. The first time people started telling these stories, I'm like, well,
I kind of concluded you probably just looked at the clock wrong. And
I kind of stuck to my guns on that until I kept coming up.
People were saying things I looked at the clock twice pour a clock and then
just after four when I got back into bed. Yeah, I mean I
think four when I woke up. Ets do have the ability to pull people
out of the time stream, I guess would be the best way of putting
it. And I do have cases where people were put back earlier and it's
very confusing. Wow, but I could be that's what's happening. And I
found like I'd had a really relaxed, dates long sleep. Oh and there
was a red car involved. I didn't dream when I got back into bed,
and before I woke up again, I dreamt of a red car.
M. Yeah, it's hard to say for sure, because that's a little
different from most of the cases I get where people are perhaps driving along on
a truck takes some two hours and boom they get there in an hour,
which is flatly impossible. And I in one cup. I can't I explain
it. I'm ready call it explaining. You know, I woke up at
four o'clock. I do whatever I've gotta do, look about the bed just
after four? Are they there for a couple of minutes? And then I
fall back to sleep. I wake up at twenty to four. Well,
you know it's with our concepts of time. We've discussed this many times in
the past. Huh there, pardon the pun. You know, time is
wonky relative and all time happening at once. So with realities changing, maybe
maybe you slipped into a slightly altered reality when you went to the loop.
Who knows. There's a lot of different possibilities that may not even involve aliens.
Just the fact that you just experienced a wonky time event. Yeah,
a lot like If anybody else has ever had anything like that happened to them,
please contact us at infillip pa UK radio dot com. Yeah. I
think times story it is time is a bit more fluid and flexible. Yes,
well, what about the stories of people. I actually have someone and
I after the show, if you hang for a minute, there's someone I
want to talk to you about. But I know someone who's been having encounters
and they feel like they've been gone a week and they just wake up and
it's just a few two hours later. And that that does involve UFOs and
ets, but it feels like, I mean, how many cases have you
come across where it seems like people have been gone for a very long time,
when in fact they're brought back almost the exact same moment, or maybe
just a little bit later. Yeah, that's not at all unusual. Actually,
that's exactly what I'm talking about. I mean, Dolly Saffron in my
book Symmetry, had that experience many times where they would take her from her
room and she would be with them for sometimes two hours, but a few
times a couple of weeks. She's fully conscious of this. This is not
missing time as we would think of it. Yeah, it's put back minutes
later. So they absolutely have that ability of her many times of people being
hours on board of craft and put right back, like at the scene of
an accident. Even I've got a couple of cases of that. People have
a car accident, they're pulled out, they're healed, takes an hour or
two put back and the ambulance is just arriving time is such a fascinating thing.
We really need to look at it from a completely different perspective and not
so linear. Not so linear because I experienced a couple of events here and
there. Nothing framatic, but it just there's a lot of strangers going on
there. Some of the other cases that you mentioned, you mentioned you're getting
cases from all over the place. Well, because Irene is from the UK.
What's a good case from the book that you've had from somebody that was
over the UK. Yeah. I interviewed this really wonderful gentleman by the name
of Andy Daley from I'm not going to pronounce this right, but I'll try
Warwickshire, Warwickshire, England, and he had some whole variety of paranormal experiences.
Actually he had encounter with a hairy, demonic dwarf. I don't know
exactly what it was. My husband could also a hostile ghost and an angelic
encounter. That's some really interesting UFO encounters as well. But the most interesting
I thought was when he was eight years old. This is on January eighth,
nineteen eighties birthday. Actually, he had woken up super early in the
morning and felt lonely and decided he was going to crawl into his parents' bedroom,
but his father who was still asleep, of course, so he kind
of just slid into bed next to him and was waiting for him to wake
up. The door was ajar. It was slightly open, and he saw
someone was kind of jingling on the door handle, which was weird to him
because the door was already open. You don't really need to use the handle.
And it opened a little bit more. He could see a shadow coming.
It was exerted on the wall there, and outsteps this short, little
creature. Definitely not a normal being, he because it was covered with hair
from head to toe, and it was about three or four feet tall,
you know, right up to the door knob, but not over It had
this dark, small eyes and a large mouth filled with very sharp teeth,
and it was staring right at him. I mean, it locked gazes with
him. He knew he wasn't dreaming. He could see the shadow on the
wall. He had never fallen the sleep, so this thing has just stopped
there, staring right at him, and he's terrified. Naturally, he terrified
to the point where he can't really move. He wants to wake up his
dad, but he's afraid to even move, so he's just nudging his dad
with his elbow a little bit. Of course, his dad wouldn't wake up
or didn't wake up. Yeah, he's so frightened at this point that he
decides he's just going to close his eyes and wish that this thing goes away.
So he does that and waits, you know, ten twenty thirty seconds
and opens his eyes, and of course it's still there, still glaring at
him and totally solid. Finally it starts to step back, disappears behind the
door, closes it slightly, and that he screams, wakes up his dad.
He was like, ah, you just had a nightmare. Everything's fine.
But no, it wasn't a nightmare. He was awake, he never
fell asleep, he never woke up. Yeah. I talked with him for
a long time about this because he wanted to know what it was. I
don't know, it's not always easy to interpret these things. Did it have
any sort of clothing on? I know it was hairy and everything, but
did it have any sort of clothing on? Because we interviewed Barry Fitzgerald one
day and he gave a story very very similar, but it took place in
Woodland. Yeah, it was a female and had was wearing like leather,
but she was hairy. Wants more. I actually don't remember that story because
it's been so long since we've talked to Barry. Yeah, well, well
that's certainly interesting. I never heard did you ask whether did you ask whether
it wore? And it's sort of a thing like shoes or oh yeah,
no, No, it was just Harry from head to toe dark brown,
not quite black, but pretty dark, and the head was larger than you
would expect from a normal monkey type. Being later, you know, some
years later, he's still a kid, but he goes up to the attic
and pulls out a box of books to be a book on big foot,
and opening it, he saw a picture of a big foot and he's like,
well, that's really close to what he saw. But it's weird.
I mean, he's in the house. I do have cases where big Foot
has appeared in people's homes, in their bedrooms. There's a paranormal sort of
aspect. Yea, that yeah, people have told us about that sort of
thing. What about the ghost thing, the aggressive ghost that is so yeah,
that happened later as an adult where he was sleeping. It just had
a child and he was sleeping with his wife. The kid was in a
crib in the corner, and he woke up because he felt somebody kind of
pushing on him and messing around with his head, kind of running his fingers
through his hair or something. He thought, oh, I must be dreaming,
but it kept pulling him into the waking state, and finally he's fully
awake, and he can still feel this unpleasant, almost painful pressure on his
head, as if someone is trying to squeeze his head or something into the
push it down into the bed. When it got real bad, he instantly
had this image in his head of who it was, and he saw a
very angry old man who was basically physically assaulting him, trying to beat him
up, and it really quite upset him. And having had some psychics you
know abilities at this point, because he had an angelic encounter prior to this
which was quite profound, so he had that to sort of draw on,
and he's jumped up and he spoke out loud to this ghost, basically saying,
go away. You have no right to attack me. Don't you realize
you're dead or someone you should find and go to the other side. There's
light there. You'll be much happier. But you have no right to be
in my house. This is my house now it's not yours. And that
stopped the activity. Well, it was just once that this happened, but
he decided to do some investigations because he's wondering, you know, am I
making this up? Am I crazy? What is going on here? But
found out that the prior owner did match the description, and not only that,
he had fallen down the stairs tragically, passing away from his injuries and
wasn't found for like three days. So that would be fit in with what
we often see with earth bound spirits of a sudden death, don't realize that
they've passed. Yeah, you know, I not to get off the subject
exactly of UFO and alien encounters, but it's not exactly the same. But
it reminds me of that instant you had when I was visiting you, Irene,
with that thing in the room that showed up in your bedroom that night.
Oh yeah, you felt like it was in your face. Oh God
Almighty had putrid. It was not God dog barking when you hit a dog.
No, No, this this thing I knew it was in the room
and there was a smell was absolutely horrendous. It was putred and it was
right in my face and I what I was seeing was this grotesque feature,
humanoid, twisted, horrible looking thing straight in my face and it was down.
I was laying in the bed on my side, and it was like
pushing its face into my face. There was that close. I'm doing it
with my hand, not that you can see, but I've got my hand
in right in front of my face. Yeah, it was practically touching my
face and the smell was horrendous. I just let it have it. I'm
afraid when I say let it have it, I let them habit in.
I can't swer it on the radio because I get complaints that sounds like a
demonic spirit just because yeah, I demonic, Okay, totally demonic. But
it was obviously passing through. She has a way of telling them to f
off. So get with seeing little people or there's a lot of stories of
people seeing very short I mean, and grays themselves are normally looked at as
being you know, very short four feet tall. Or maybe you have one
chapter that I've I'm not quite up to you yet that I'm interested in the
blue men. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about that,
then I'll tell you about my why my interest is, isn't that?
Yeah, Well, that's what I love about this book because feature is not
just grays, but all different types of humanoids, and boy, there's a
lot. And occasionally I get these reports of the tiny little troll like blue
guys, blue skinned figures. And this gentleman, Ron Johnson, from East
Palo Texas called me up because he had seen an illustration that my sister in
law did of one of these blue fellows and it matched exactly what he saw.
So he was quite excited about it because he had done his own research
and found very few cases. I've got a number of them, certainly,
but it's pretty rare. He and his younger brother, they were about four
or five years old. This is in the early nineteen seventies. The other
bedroom would fill up with light and suddenly the inn would walk this very tall
figure which would stand in the corner. And by tall, I mean it's
eight maybe nine feet tall. It's right up to the ceiling, very thin.
It could not really see it because the light was so bright, but
it would be followed by short little grays and the blue, tiny little humanoids
which were very squatty, very kind of flat faces, all wrinkled up and
not big big eyes, kind of smaller eyes, but very sparkly dark eyes
and thick fingers. And here's the interesting part to me too, because this
is how they're often described, is wearing robes, hooded robes, very much
like again, you know Yoda or something, and you know Whitley Streeper described
this in his book. That's why I was going to bring it up,
because that in his very first book, Communion, in fact, the first
entity he consciously remembered from that first encounter. Well turned out later it wasn't
his first encounter, but the first one he consciously remembered from nineteen eighty five
dealing with the short, troll like blue figures and they were hooded, so
it sounded. And I've heard a couple of other similar stories. You don't
hear about that type of alien that often, but I have heard about it
more than once. But that he That's where I first heard about it was
in Communion. Yeah, when I watched his movie, which wasn't a great
great movie, but it was certainly interesting. They did a little they represented
those blue guys. I'm like, whoa, that is very close to my
sister in law drew what other witnesses have described to me. And yeah,
I mean he saw them many many times. You know what's really funny about
his case, because this is just here's where the high strangeness comes in.
He and his brother, after they would have one of these encounters, would
wake up in the morning, tightly rolled up in their quilts their bedsheets like
a burrito. Tight they could not get out, they could not free themselves,
and they would call to their parents like, I help, hell,
we're stuck in our sheets. It would be either the quilt or the sheet
both And that just made me laugh because I've heard that like three other times.
It's super rare, but it does happen. There's no way they could
have done it themselves. Their parents were absolutely baffled, and the kids are
like, the little blue guys came and they're like you're dreaming. They're like
no, the room filled with light and said, well, that's the light
outside the window and they're like no, no, no, but didn't connect
it to the fact that they're stuck there and the sheets all wrapped up don't
you just love how parents dismiss most things kids say is just all at your
imagination. I can't tell you how many times I had something happened when I
was younger, and like, I'd hear somebody calling my name. I thought
it was my mother. I'd go to her and say, what do you
want? She goes, what do you mean? I'm like, just heard
you calling me? She goes, Nope, wasn't me, And I well,
I heard you. She goes, Oh, it's just your imagination.
That's shame on those parents. Yeah, the hell it was, because I
heard it several more times in my life. There's so many cases of that
where kids are just not believing in Contact always, as a rule, starts
it around age three, four or five, even up to seven or eight
or nine, but almost always at a very young age, kids are on
their own because their parents don't believe it. But some of the encounters that
you've talked about in your books are you know, sometimes when you say high
strangeness, I'm talking real high strangeness, things that just seem like out of
this world. You have a chapter called The Gray Et and a Bicycle.
Yes, I'm glad you brought that up because I haven't had the opportunity to
talk about this really at all, and because it's you know, later in
the book, and there's so many cases. But this lady grew up very
close to where I lived in Woodland Hills. I was into Panga Canyon,
which neighbors that, and moved to Knoga Park, which is on the other
side. So I'm super familiar with where she's talking about, which was Wells
Drive in Woodland Hills, which is your regular suburb right outside of Los Angeles,
California. It well, yeah, yeah, it's really interesting, a
really nice lady, and she contacted me because I had done a lot of
research cases in this exact area. And one day, this was early morning.
She spent a lot of time outside because her home life wasn't great,
and she was ten years old, and she often go biking around in the
neighborhood with all the other kids. And that's what they were doing, just
biking around. And so they're going back and forth up Wells Drive when they
don't see a UFO, and at that age they hadn't really heard of UFOs.
They saw this object, a dark sort of saucer shaped object floating in
the sky, at treetop level, right at the top of this driveway.
So they go racing up this driveway, which is quite steep and one hundred
feet long, so they couldn't really bike up it. They had to push
their bikes, but got to the top and the object was gone. They
had lost interest in it by this point because it was such a brief sighting
and they couldn't explain it. So they decided, well, look, here's
a nice steep driveway. Let's have fun. We'll ride down it and race.
They were doing that several times until you know, this is a group
of a half dozen kids. They decided let's go home and eat some snacks
and rest. Janet decides, you know what, I'm just going to go
up one more time. And she thought she was being real sneaky. She
would climb to the top of the driveway and race down and beat them because
you know, with the momentum, she'd beat them to the house. But
she gets to the top of this driveway and there's nothing up there, just
a grove of eucalyptus trees. And out of this grove comes this little kid
on a bicycle and he's you know, about one hundred yards are so away,
you know, one hundred and fifty feet two hundred three hundred, and
he's riding this bicycle but not well. He can't do it, and he's
kind of shimmying all over the place, and she's looking at him like,
wow, he looks strange. His fingers are way too long, he's barefoot,
his feet don't look right. He's got a huge head, there's no
hair, his eyes are enormous in black. In hindsight, she knows that
it was so gray, but at the time she was thinking, this is
a poor, deformed kid. Now, she had known someone who was severely
handicapped and had some real problems, so she was open to that idea and
thought, well, you know, this is just a kid who has problems.
Maybe he'll be a new friend. And didn't run away or anything,
even though the closer he got, the more scared she got. Because by
the time he was right up to her, she realized, this is not
human. Whoever is on this bike, it's not a human being. But
it was confusing because he was wearing a pendleton buttoned down, long sleeved shirt
pants. You know, his bike looked new, had a little sissy bar
on the back, and he steps off the bike, walks I'm their face
to face, reaches up to her and puts his hand on her shoulder,
and she can see at this plan he only has four fingers, no real
mouth, not much of a nose, no ears. So that's when she
just is it. She's like, this is not right. She's frozen in
fear. Yeah, And next thing she knows, he's gone, Just boom,
he's gone, and she freaks out and races down the driveway. She's
thinking she's still going to beat everyone home, not realizing that some time had
past, and in fact, when she finally got reached the house where all
the other kids went, they were sitting there eating and they're like, where
have you been? It's been an hour? And she's like, did you
see did you see the freak? Boy? Did you see the monster?
There's a monster And they were like, shut up, you're just trying to
scare us, and no, it's been an hour. What are you talking
about? And that was her childhood and counter that was her introduction to all
this. It's a very strange case, but not wholly unique, well only
in that you have a gray rest in human clothes trying to ride a bike
of all things. I mean, I've heard of stories of people seeing very
strange looking people who look like they're trying to disguise themselves, and they say
they look very alien, even Whitley Strieber said of what his publisher. I
think once was in a bookstore and a couple of people were looking at Communion
and commenting on it and saying, oh, he got that part all wrong.
And when he went to talk to them, they just glared at him,
and he just said, they just looked strange. But to be riding
a bicycle, no, it's it's beyond bizarre. I mean, this is
definitely high strangeness. I do have other cases where your tease have come into
people's homes dressed in a tuxedo or a suit, or human clothes, a
cowboy hat. I'm dressed up in a clown suit, even especially with kids.
Well, you used to hear a lot about the hat man. Didn't
you from me much about that? Now? Yeah, that could be related
to all this. I don't know, it's hard to say. I suspect
that what was going on here was that was a technique, you know,
something that they decided to use to sort of reduce the fear factor and introduce
themselves to her in a way that wasn't perhaps as frightening. It didn't work,
by the way, but it was a good attempt. Or how much
how much of these types of encounters that you're mentioning, not only just the
bicycle, but people seeing aliens and clothes in their rooms and whatnot, how
much of that is a screen memory? You know, that's it's for them
to think about later after everything's happened, to lessen the blow or make it
seem either way too strange to be afraid of, or add a little bit
of some kind of normalcy to it. Yeah, I definitely agree that there
are screen memories for sure. That often happens with very young kids who have
these grays come into their bedroom, usually grays. And I've heard such a
wide variety of screen memories from you know, three four foot tall Teddy Bears,
owls, Barbie dolls, superheroes, cowboys, clowns, clowns, clowns,
a lot of those before they everyone became scared to death of them.
Yeah, which makes me wonder. Thank you Stephen King and John Wayne Gacy,
Right, I wonder about that. I brought that up at a UPO
support meeting once. I was curious because I had gotten three cases in a
row of kids who were like having these alien clowns coming, Like, how
do you guys feel a clowns? I must I might as well have set
off a tear gas bomb or something, because the room exploded. Everyone's like,
oh my god, I hate clowns. It's funny. I was watching
TV ones and this lady, Yeah, this lady was in the room and
a clown walked in. She fainted dead away. Let's how fear her stronger
fear of clowns was. And I've wondered to myself, I bet she's a
contact and had this happen. I don't know. It makes you wonder because
when you when I was a kid, you know, you go to the
circus and everybody looked forward to the clowns and and they were funny, and
yet the whole Oh, I don't know what the correct word would be,
you're the off, you're the writer, paradigm or whatnot. There is a
shift to where now it seems more people than not find clowns to be terrifying.
Yeah, I think a lot that also is that film that came out
It won't. Yeah, well, I mean between that, there was a
few couple of years back when people were seeing these there was all these creepy
clown sighting the college kids and things. Won't it that, But I don't
really fully explained it. It just it just happened. And the stories.
I mean, I don't know how much of it was urban legend, and
but it really caught on wildfire. And now it seems again whether it's based
on people having ET experiences or not, you know, most people seem to
have a fear of clowns. It seems like that's why clowns themselves are like
kind of going away. Yeah. I don't like clowns me personally. I
just don't. I don't think they're funny or fun so, yeah, it
doesn't surprise me. I think it was a technique for by the ETS to
reduce the fear factor and approach kids. Is something that might be fun,
but it backfired. And now look how prevalent fear of clowns is in our
society. I think that points towards how common contact is. That this was
a technique that was probably widely used by the ETS. Put it wrong,
Preston, I've just been looking at your book on Amazon dot com. Yeah,
how are you okay? By the way people and you talk about I
was just reading the writer and there are so many people that have been given
a message by aliens, important messages, been taught something. Yes, yeah,
that's actually quite common. You know, a lot of people do have
a lot of fear, and when you have a very strong fear reaction,
probably won't get the message other than you know, don't be afraid. We
won't hurt you, No harm will come to you. You're fine. But
if you don't have a strong fear reaction, ets will communicate. They'll tell
you exactly what's going on. We're saying, listen, you've got this illness.
We're trying to heal you. But their message is very clear and it
hasn't changed over fifty years. They've been saying the same darn thing over and
over and over. Grays, mantids, human looking tall, right, you
name it. And their message pretty much universally is stop messing around with nuclear
power. It's very dangerous. You're affecting areas you don't even know of,
your actual danger of destroying your entire planet. And it goes beyond that.
Of course, they want people about our warlike ways and aggression, or against
greed and corruption, pollution and the destruction of the environment. That is one
of the real big agendas is to just warn to part the impart this information.
So if only that information could be put to good use, because it
seems like such a small percentage you know, runs the planet. They take
they're the ones doing all this stuff, and let's average people, other than
like shouting the warning, don't have much influence in stopping it. No,
this is it. You'd think that they would concentrate on the MP's and people
in parliament and god knows what house those sort of people, rather than the
housewife is doing or washing up in the kitchen. But that seems to be
a common theme. They well, yeah, but even even most abductions,
most people, it just seems like it's just common, average everyday folk have
these encounters more than you know, a you know, a politician or a
famous person, unless they're just being quiet about it. Yeah, well that's
exactly what I thought. I'm like, huh, And I started looking deeper
into it because I have interviewed some people who are mega famous and will not
come forward. You would recognize their names for sure, and people who are
in very high positions of society and going public would risk their jobs. And
I even looked into politicians because we have a lot of people who were presidents
or heads of state, senators, representatives, governors who have had major encounters
and of course are not talking about it. I do think that what we're
seeing there is a real reluctance on people in those positions to come forward.
And they have communicated to our world leaders who are not nice people. I
hate to say it, but they're just making some very poor choices and how
they're treating humanity at large and hoarding the wealth and inciting divisiveness and violence and
all about greed and selling weapons to both sides and funding wars, and so
they're not getting the message because they're not listening. That's why I think ETS
are doing what we would call a grass roots movement and telling everybody these things.
But it's funny because, yeah, I've got cases in the book.
Both involved two little girls who are you know, ten years old, who
were told by the ETS flat out, you need to tell everyone to stop
the wars and show to them scenes of wars that were going to happen and
you know, they're They're like, I'm just a little kid. You know,
what do you expect me to do? Go ahead? I mean,
have you finished. He's still talking about that Christ but it in there.
Sorry, No, I was I was gonna. I was gonna ask you
to the question. But go ahead. No, I wanted to know about
the A woman from California is visited by a tree spirit. Ah. Yes,
I love that case. It's so unusual. Yeah, I know.
And I've got trees all around my properties. Yeah, I mean I love
trees. I think we all love trees, and yeah, there's something really
special about them and nature spirits. Certainly, there's something that appears in all
cultures if you dig into it, the idea of water spirits, sprites and
so far. Yeah, she described the spirit the tree spirit. Yeah,
to some degree. How it all rolled out for her was she was a
victim of a violent assault at school by the school bullied who beat her up
so badly she was really in danger of dying and had to be both school
and they moved and ended up moving into a forested area Julian, California.
And she had no friends, so her friends were trees, and she just
started to look upon them, as you know, there is someone that gave
her a sustenance and nurturing, who wouldn't, you know, commit violence to
her. So she became a real tree hugger, so to speak, and
started having these very vivid, lucid dreams, which she says, you know,
I'll call them that, but they weren't dreams. They were real.
But it would happen in the sleep state, where every night she would wake
up in the forest outside of her home. So perhaps these were out of
b experiences, those lines. But she said this tree spirit would come,
and she says, I wish I could tell you what he looked like.
I had the impression he was a beautiful man, but I never really saw
him, or she couldn't remember seeing him. She would see him, but
when she'd wake up, that would just escape. But he would talk to
her about love and her life and what she was going to be doing in
her future, and then she should pursue art and music and writing. What
she did, she provided a written testimony of her experiences that was just a
lovely It was really well written. And she also gave me a course an
interview, so I could feel in some of her perhaps, but This went
on for over a year and it was nightly. Every single night, she
would just have long conversations. He called himself Birch, which I thought was
interesting because, yeah, I read I read that story. Yeah, because
she's surrounded by pine trees, and you know, in eucalyptus and oaks,
there weren't a whole there for some birch, but not a whole lot.
And that's the name he gave her. And if you look up birch tree
there, they're a real special tree with a lot of uses. And yeah,
a long history using birch trees. But at some one point she was
having another meeting with this lovely tree spirit and he said, you know,
this is going to be our last meeting. And she's like, well,
what are you talking about? And he's like, you're are okay now,
you're healed. You don't need me anymore. I have to leave you now.
And of course she never saw him again, never had another experience until
you know, she tried to call him back, reach out telepathically over and
over again, even into adulthood. Occasually should just lie down, like Birch,
where are you? And one day I think she was in her four
she's like reminiscing again and called out to him and got an answer, and
he said, I'm here, and she she had this long conversation with him,
and she managed to write a good portion of it down and asked him
who are you? Are you an angel? And he said, no,
you could look at me that way, but I'm not. I'm more of
a guide. I came to you because you called out to me and you
needed me. And basically he's said, you have a mission in life,
and the mission is to spread love, and I'd have to go into the
book and that's exactly what he said, because I honestly don't remember, but
it was along those lines. It was a short conversation, but quite profound
and very philosophical. Well, is lovely things absolutely lovely to even think that
there's a tree spirit. Yeah, I don't doubt it for a second,
because you know, I did my investigations and I'm like, wow, dry
out, this is a thing. This is appearing in most cultures. Yeah,
So I think you have to be psychically sensitive, and she is certainly.
She's had a lot of precognitive dreams. Her mother really encouraged it,
whereas most parents would be like oh, you're imagining her mother sat her down
and said, let's do psychic exercises she developed. Yeah, well, listen,
lovely, we're coming up in the end of the show here. I
mean, obviously there are many, many, many more stories within this book.
I have to have him back again. Oh of course in the crew
get a crew here the President. Not to suck up to you, but
you are one of my favorite guests because you have such great stories, and
you know, I feel the connection because we grew up so close physically close
to each other in the valley. So especially all the UFO stuff that you
talked about happened in the valley that I never encountered, but I find fascinating.
So the book is Humanoise and High Strangeness twenty true UFO Inc. Counters.
Now people can find this in Amazon and anywhere else. Yeah, online
retailers should have it, Barnes and Noble and so forth bookstores as well.
You can also get more information from my website, which is Preston Dennett dot
Weebley dot com. Just punch my name in it should take you there.
But yeah, I'm all over media. Are you doing any conferences? Are
you making any appearance in the near future here and not in the near future.
I try to do one or two a year. It's been a rocky
few years for obvious reasons, and I don't know, it's just a lot
of work doing these conferences, so I don't do a whole lot of them.
But I don't have any currently planned. But I try to do a
couple of year. And I posted him on my Facebook and social media if
I do well. And as we talked before we started the show, you've
had some television appearances on Ancient Aliens and the Unexplained and so people can look
for those as well. Pressing again, thank you very much for coming on
and can you hang for just one second after we're done, Yeah, of
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