1 00:00:05,719 --> 00:00:10,320 What's he will have the impossible or whatever remains however improbable must be true. 2 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:15,400 And it is not a question of a little cultism. What a touch of 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,679 mysticism is to dead? It is empires. There's a host of damned souls 4 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:28,280 and Hellipus thy Father's spirit to do it for a certain term, to walk 5 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:34,280 the night here. The old gods aren't dead, and what is the true 6 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:41,840 god? He's dead? Can't complain people assume the time is a strict progression 7 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,640 of cause to effect that action. From a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint, 8 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:52,600 it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimi stuff. You're listening 9 00:00:52,719 --> 00:01:00,039 to Paranormal UK Radio. Good evening, everybody. Welcome to another edition of 10 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:06,040 the Paranormal UK Radio show, the flagship show here on the Paranormal UK Radio 11 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:11,680 Network. I'm your host for this evening, Mark Johnson. Irene Alan is 12 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,599 feeling a bit under the weather, so she's taking the night off. Hopefully 13 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:21,840 she'll be back with us for the next show, so she better get better. 14 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,519 I'm supposed to be going over there and almost exactly a month from now. 15 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,159 We have a lot of things planned and I plan to run them ragged. 16 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,760 While I'm there, I want to see some of the ghosties that are 17 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:38,120 in their house. She promises me that I won't be disappointed, So we'll 18 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:44,920 see how that goes. Hope everyone is having a good start to their summer 19 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,400 here in the Northeast. We've been having a lot of rain, heavy rain 20 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:55,359 the last few days, which we've needed badly, and we're still getting some 21 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,959 smoke from those wildfires in Canadas. They're still calling for poor air quality down 22 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,480 here. Thankfully, nothing as bad as it was a couple of weeks ago, 23 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:08,039 which was really horrific. I thought there was a forest fire right around 24 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:14,319 the corner. The smoke was so thick here in New Jersey. So but 25 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,879 we're going to go ahead and get right into tonight show. Now, this 26 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,840 guest has been with us before tonight. We're talking with von Bressler, and 27 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:30,360 Vaughan had previously written a book about past lives that we discussed with him. 28 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,520 Well, now he's got a new and I don't think I could really call 29 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:42,520 it a book, a very unique way of publishing about lucid dreams. So 30 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,039 let's talk to him about it. How are you tonight, Von Hi Mark, 31 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:51,280 I'm doing just fine, thank you. Now again I mentioned that this 32 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:58,599 these writings, I should say, it's not exactly a traditional book. Can 33 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,280 you talk a little bit about, first of all, what made you want 34 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:07,879 to published in this format. Well, I was speaking to my publisher over 35 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:13,759 at Schiffer in Pennsylvania, and we thought that in the Red Feather Line we 36 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,080 got to do something different, that was different from books. And we were 37 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:24,120 discussing how people tend to read shorter amounts, they have a shorter amount of 38 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:30,520 time, they take things in little snippets, and we talked about doing a 39 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:35,520 condensed book and he said, what do you mean by Ken Dent's book? 40 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,159 I said, why, I think you put everything you would put in a 41 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:43,639 book, but really really condense it. There's no fluff anywhere, there's no 42 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:49,520 anecdotes anywhere, no musings anywhere. But it's got to be practical, and 43 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:53,879 it's got to tell you about the ancient wisdom tradition behind something. He said, 44 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:57,520 for instance, we came up with a whole list of things that we 45 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,879 would do. The first was past lives and the second was the scroll. 46 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,919 It's actually a scroll. It's two part wooden scroll. You hold one in 47 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:12,080 your left hand, one in your right, and the paper feeds across from 48 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:15,599 one scroll to the other, and there's a little marker you can save your 49 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:17,639 place at any point. So it reads just like a book, but in 50 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:26,079 a scroll. So you're you're holding pine, you're you're you're smelling um natural 51 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:30,120 wood products. It's a very different experience from a book. It is suter 52 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:38,399 read than the book. And we also think that the ancient wisdom tradition should 53 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:46,959 be maintained in scrolls because not only do they tend to be more concise, 54 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,560 but they could be more long lasting. We put this in a plastic case, 55 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,439 you know, it could be preserved, you know. And I find 56 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:04,439 that intriguing because I'm a big fan of the TV show The Chosen. I 57 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:12,279 don't know if you've seen it, and of course it's all based about the 58 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:16,079 life of Jesus and the Apostles, but it's but it's more like watching an 59 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,920 historical drama. And it's excellent. Um, it's up right up there with 60 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:28,240 anything produced on HBO and whatever. It's totally crowdfunded, free to watch, 61 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:35,160 and they spend a lot of time. You learn more about Judaism or the 62 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:42,920 Jewish community in that period of time than ever before. And especially all the 63 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,800 scrolls. Everything is written on the scrolls, all the scribes, all the 64 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:50,920 all the old books, and they opened the scroll of a certain passage and 65 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:57,360 reading from the scroll. So I found it interesting that you chose to use 66 00:05:57,399 --> 00:06:01,240 scrolls for this product. And let's face it, scrolls have been around a 67 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:06,279 lot longer than books, and they and they they could they can be preserved 68 00:06:06,759 --> 00:06:11,439 I think, more easily, uh, in many ways than books. And 69 00:06:11,519 --> 00:06:15,160 you think of of of everything that was found, and we're talking like in 70 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,480 less than one hundred years ago. You know, in the fifties, we 71 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:24,720 found the non Commodi Library, we found the Essene books, you know, 72 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,560 we found the Dead Sea scrolls, all the caustic coptic writings we found. 73 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,680 We found the Babylonian tablets too, and they were all buried, weren't they. 74 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,160 None a single one of them was written on paper, you know. 75 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,079 So so I think I think there's something to be said for the scrolls. 76 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,240 I know we're going to do two more after this. Um, we're probably 77 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,319 going to do well. They're all written, so it's a matter when we 78 00:06:48,399 --> 00:06:53,319 release them and how we release them. But there would be two two scrolls 79 00:06:53,399 --> 00:07:00,920 next year on Nature spirits and uh and elementals, oh right up my alley. 80 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,720 Yeah, and and and how we've taken off with that everything from you 81 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:12,160 know, the games that Pokemon games and the Dungeons and Dragons and you know, 82 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,959 and now there's a Disney movie Elemental. You know, it's it's very 83 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:20,639 much a part of creation around us, but we've we've kind of forgotten it, 84 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,160 haven't we. And then we're gonna do one on amulets, talismans and 85 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:30,839 spells. And if you think like only you know, magical people walk around 86 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:34,680 with amulets and talismans and spells. Look at what's on your sweatshirt or on 87 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:40,800 your cap or your tattoo. It's all there. We have this with us 88 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,560 everywhere. Well, I'm going to tell you right now we're gonna have to 89 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,160 have you back for both of them, especially the one on nature, spirits 90 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:53,360 and elementals, because that's been part of my research these last few years. 91 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:59,000 I've had some personal experience with it. So that's definitely something that we could 92 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,360 have a great conversation. Sation that'll be fun. Mark, Yeah, yeah, 93 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:09,959 but this is about lucid dreaming. Yeah, and so talk to me 94 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:13,319 a little bit. I mean, I understand lucid dreaming. But let's talk 95 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:16,920 for the audience who may not be fully aware of what lucid dreaming is. 96 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,079 Yeah, so I always say a lucid dream is when a dream is more 97 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,720 than a dream. By that, I mean it's not just your you're tossing 98 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:33,480 and turning at night, going over the same problems of yesterday and you're worries 99 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:39,600 about tomorrow. They're not idle musings of a restless mind that cannot sleep fully 100 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:43,759 at night. It is something much much more. And so you know, 101 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,919 serious dream work has been with us for probably five thousand years that we know 102 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,600 about. You know, it dates back three thousand BC, goes all the 103 00:08:54,639 --> 00:09:01,039 way back to the ancient Sumer culture. It dates back then to the Acadian 104 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:09,279 lifestyle of the Mesopotamian kings, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, goes right up 105 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:16,120 to Egypt in two thousand BC. They were inducing inducing lucid dreams, mind 106 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:20,639 you, as being prophetic. So for thousands of years we've seen these special 107 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:30,000 dreams, which will call lucid dreams as treated more like divine revelation, prophecy 108 00:09:30,159 --> 00:09:35,960 and windows of the soul. And in many ancient cultures, dream work of 109 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:41,360 this sort was very serious, and it was indeed considered considered to be the 110 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:46,879 soul or a part of the soul leaving the body during sleep. Now, 111 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,320 with a lucid dream, the difference between the regular dreams, as you mentioned, 112 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,480 first of all, the imagery is a lot clearer. Yeah, but 113 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:07,159 what's very important is you're also aware that you are dreaming. Your consciousness actually 114 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:13,240 becomes lucid. Why they call lucid dreaming enough to understand that you're in a 115 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:20,720 dream state and you can interact rather than react like you usually do in a 116 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,279 dream. Yeah, this is the real deal. I would call the other 117 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:31,720 dreams which clinical science tends to want to study during all this rem dream sleep 118 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,639 clinic work. They want to study those dreams, divide out why people get 119 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:41,279 nightmares and why they get night sweats. And these are kind of like the 120 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,600 very routine common dreams of the mind, the physical mind, they can't shut 121 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:50,120 off at night. But the lucid dream is more a dream of the deeper 122 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:56,360 subconscious self, you know, the soul of you will, the inner spirit, 123 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,120 and which longs to get out and longs to explore, and as it 124 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:07,360 explores, it explores with a greater sense of awareness. Than are five physical 125 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:13,960 perceptive skills. It is keenly aware of everything around us. It moves freely 126 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,399 throughout time and space. There are no barriers to it. It is. 127 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:26,559 It is energy. It leaves us and goes anywhere it pleases, and it 128 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:35,519 explores. And historically we've seen that people would believe that our soul then travels 129 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:43,960 from the body during during these lucid special dreams and visits, the divine has 130 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:50,960 encounters with guardian spirits, if you will. It's often been considered a point 131 00:11:52,000 --> 00:12:01,000 of revelation. We have the Morpheus mysteries going back to ancient times, which 132 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:07,240 was the god Morpheus reaching out to the wandering souls at night. And yes, 133 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:11,039 indeed, uh, these are very vivid dreams. You know, you 134 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,480 tend to remember your lucid dreams because they're so vivid, they're so impactful, 135 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:24,399 they're so filled with personal insight and meaning as as to turn your life around. 136 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:31,159 Would you classify at least some lucid dreams to be a form of astral 137 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:37,679 traveling. Yes, I would tend to say that they're all astral travel but 138 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:43,240 but but you know, more than simply astral traveling, it's it's it's it's 139 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:48,639 much more of you leaving than just your astral your astral body. If you 140 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:54,039 think of the body as holistically as being a mental body, an astral or 141 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,879 emotional body, a causal body, a Buddhick body, you know, and 142 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:03,440 so forth so on. And I think we see that that in a in 143 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:11,039 a true in a true dream, our spirit, our spirit energy bodies all 144 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,080 all of the physical body or can. And in fact, if this if 145 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,080 you're going to for instance, if you were going to visit the mental plane, 146 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,720 you would take the mental body, you were going to visitle the causal 147 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:26,240 plane of existence, you would visitle the causal plane, you know. And 148 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:33,840 these are very very real planes of existence outside of what we can visibly see 149 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,759 in the physical world. They are not part of the physical world, you 150 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:41,519 know, but they are very much a part of our world. And they 151 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:48,720 correspond to various aspects of our self, our holistic self, which would be 152 00:13:48,759 --> 00:14:01,559 described in as as consciousness of energized nature. There's a couple of different aspects, 153 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,720 and I wanted to bounce these off you to get your interpretation of them. 154 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:13,720 Now, there are vivid dreams. Most dreams you tend to forget almost 155 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:18,000 as soon as you wake up. Maybe they hang with you a day or 156 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:22,360 so, and then you forget. And then there are other dreams that will 157 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,759 literally stay with you for years. Yeah. I mean, I've had some 158 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:33,320 quote unquote and amusing air quotes here that you can't see dreams that I've had 159 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:39,679 back in high school or in my early twenties that were so vivid. Now, 160 00:14:39,799 --> 00:14:43,200 they weren't lucid in the terms that I knew I was dreaming and could 161 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,559 control what was happening. I was still long for the ride, but yet 162 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:54,679 they were so vivid that I can still remember them forty years later. Oh 163 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:00,120 yes, And you'll return to these dreams on occasion. You could. You 164 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:03,240 can count on it. If they really have meaning for you, they might 165 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:07,919 even continue. They might be a continuing dream. But you know, another 166 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:15,720 aspect of a true vivid dream, and fans of Carl Young might find this 167 00:15:15,879 --> 00:15:22,360 interesting, was the idea that you'll see characters in these dreams, and they're 168 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:28,639 not in your your past memory, of your physical memory bank, but they 169 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:33,519 will be. They will be people that you you seem to know. Maybe 170 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:37,919 you don't know them in this physical world that you live in and during the 171 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:41,840 daytime, but they will be other other than you. You will not in 172 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:46,080 short, you will not be all the characters, and you will you will 173 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:52,519 definitely see things that have form and and it will it will be impactful, 174 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,240 you know, it will just be searing into your memory, you know, 175 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:02,000 forever, you know. And they're not just idle musings during restless sleep, 176 00:16:02,919 --> 00:16:11,799 and so they are vivid and and they will they will, Yeah, exactly 177 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,120 what you said, Mark, they will. They will be with you forever 178 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:19,279 well, like for one example, in fact, it's the earliest vivid dream 179 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,480 I can remember. I think I was seventeen years old in high school. 180 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:30,159 And in hindsight now it wasn't It seemed like it was a dream, but 181 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:36,879 it was insanely vivid. And I'm realizing now it was more an out of 182 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:44,279 body experience. But it felt like a dream because I found myself suddenly in 183 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,639 my backyard and as you mentioned, people that you that are there you seem 184 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,360 to know, but you don't really know. And there was somebody else there 185 00:16:53,399 --> 00:16:59,039 with me that I knew, I really couldn't see their face and tell you 186 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,880 who they were. And I was just amazed at the fact that I said, 187 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,079 oh my god, I'm a ghost. Yeah, that's how my brain 188 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,359 was interpreting it. And even though it was the middle of the night, 189 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,759 it was brightest day, but everything had almost like a green tint to it, 190 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:23,160 like looking through night vision glass scopes. Yeah, that real third generation 191 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:32,880 starlight scope type of light. And it wasn't a long dream, but the 192 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:37,480 other person was there encouraging me. When I woke up, my whole body 193 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:41,240 was electrified. I felt like I was walking three feet above the ground for 194 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:45,000 like the next three days. Yeah, very often, I think this is 195 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:48,480 true that you you will have a dream and they'll have a kind of a 196 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:55,319 color cast to it, you know, sometimes yellow or orange or grain to 197 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,880 be a tint maybe of blue, and it will indicate what plane of existed 198 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,759 you're on, or or what or what what a subtle body is most active 199 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:08,680 in this dream, you know. And and and that will be a clue 200 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:14,160 as as to where either where you've gone, what plane of existence, or 201 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,440 what part of you is leading the way you know, is is most active. 202 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:23,039 And and I think also that back to what you've said here, that 203 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:30,559 that we we will encounter people in these lucid, vivid dreams of ours that 204 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,240 we seem to know, but but we don't know. You know, and 205 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:41,000 I think I think the answer there is that your subconscious mind, your spirit, 206 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,720 your inner spirit or soul, if you will, simply knows more than 207 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:48,160 your physical mind does, you know, because it's been around a lot longer, 208 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:53,240 you know, and it preceded you, and it's going to you know, 209 00:18:53,240 --> 00:19:00,079 it's going to to continue on after your mortal coil is gone, and 210 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,799 it has encounters that are are outside the physical realm, so it has a 211 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:11,039 wider circle of friends than maybe you physically can can recollect in your mind. 212 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:15,920 Well, I figure when we come here, you know, we have amnesia 213 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,680 right away, and so that we can live this life fresh, even though 214 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:30,079 in our subconscious or on the higher higher self plane, we already know what's 215 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,599 going on, but it's just our conscious minds are not aware of it or 216 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:41,240 tuned into it. So whether it's people we've interacted with before we've come here, 217 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:45,920 people who we are interacting with, you know, during dream time or 218 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:52,519 during these um these astro travel events or whatnot when we're sleeping, that again, 219 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:56,279 just they filter down through the conscious mind when we awaken, but we 220 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,960 just don't know who the people are. We just there's a fi millioned about 221 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:07,519 them. Yeah, and we we begin to do have a sense on this 222 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:14,079 subconscious level that there is there is, there's more going on in our lives 223 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:19,119 than we we physically can account for during the day. Um, you know 224 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:26,680 a lot of people today are fascinated by the cutting edge physics that has indicated 225 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:36,160 will will will have experiences of a parallel life or will or that we have 226 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:44,799 some knowledge or inkling of parallel realities, worlds or universes that are just so 227 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,960 very close to ours, but just it's like like a map that's been folded 228 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,039 many many times, and as you fold the map, they say, oh, 229 00:20:53,079 --> 00:20:56,960 well, there's there's a whole country on the other side of this map, 230 00:20:57,319 --> 00:21:02,000 and it's paper thin, but you know, I can't see what's there. 231 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,319 The light doesn't go around. So once I folded the map, we'll 232 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:11,680 perhaps you know, creation or space is folded like that. There's every indication 233 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:18,400 that there are parallel worlds and realities that are very close to us but just 234 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:25,039 not visible to the naked eye. And maybe maybe we we we we we 235 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,400 have a sense of that, and maybe sometimes in a dreams we go there, 236 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,279 dreams or even trance like states. If Irene were here, she could 237 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:42,400 tell you that she has had experiences of slipping into parallel lives and dimensions where 238 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:48,519 she and I are interacting and yet I'm different. Yeah, Like in one 239 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:53,559 of these I smoke. I've never smoked, so yeah. So yeah, 240 00:21:53,559 --> 00:22:03,519 there's all these these different vibrations, different planes that you can act excess when 241 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,839 here's a good one for you. What about that? And I recently experienced 242 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:17,319 this where I was in the middle of one of my normal stress dreams, 243 00:22:17,319 --> 00:22:22,319 as I call them, where everything is frustrating. I'm trying to accomplish something 244 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,599 and all these barriers keep coming up to keep me from doing it. And 245 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:30,319 I've had these types of dreams all my life. And yet in the middle 246 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:37,640 of this dream he got interrupted and a vivid portion comes into it. Yeah. 247 00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:44,319 Quite frankly, I'll keep this brief, and I'll be honest. My 248 00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:51,880 wife passed away last November, and you know, I had not really had 249 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:59,079 any visitations or anything from her for a while, and then one night, 250 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,559 I'm in the middle of this dream and all of a sudden, it's like 251 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:11,319 somebody pressed pause on the VCR and suddenly there she was in the dream, 252 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:21,079 absolutely vivid, looking younger than she was now, wearing her favorite color. 253 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,440 She was gorgeous, and she just looks at me and she goes, how 254 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:33,480 can I help? Yeah, And I was lucid enough to know that it 255 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:38,960 was a visitation. I know she was dead, and my reaction at the 256 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,880 time was, well, you could still be here. And it's interesting that 257 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,000 almost right after that, it's suddenly it's like somebody hit the pause button again, 258 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:56,039 and then I went right back into the regular, you know, stupid 259 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,880 dream. So it was like this, It felt like it was a visitation, 260 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,799 a vivid aspect that was inserted into the middle of this real dream that 261 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,759 I was having. Yeah, I do think that our subconscious or our inner 262 00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:19,640 spirit will sometimes just take charge and walk out on us because it longs to 263 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:25,880 explore and learn and and and have these these vivid encounters. This is how 264 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,519 it explores. You know, how else can it do it? You know, 265 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,160 probably all the great you know, insight in our life happens when we're 266 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,240 sleeping, you know. But but but you know, we tend to spend 267 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,960 so much of our time in these stress dreams, as you call them, 268 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:47,359 and and this preoccupies our time. And so you know, I'm well, 269 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,720 I'm working on a new book too that will actually help people actually to program 270 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:57,240 their lucid dreams with greater with greater fidelity, so that so that you know, 271 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:03,680 a person can actually program or induce a lucid dream to work on the 272 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,079 problems that are veccine you during your waking hours, you know, because I 273 00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:11,519 think there's there's greater insight, you know, there that that that we're not 274 00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:15,240 tapping, you know, and and and yeah, yes, I think there 275 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,920 are many cultures around the world historically, just just like Hugh Mark, that 276 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:26,519 have have experienced speaking with the dead during dreams. It is. It is 277 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:34,799 not an uncommon thing at all. No, there's there's I've been very big 278 00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:47,160 over the years with dream symbolism and able to certain dreams that seem semi lucid, 279 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,680 semi vivid, I could say, the ones that really stick with you. 280 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,079 And um, whether I've had them myself or I've had I've had other 281 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,559 people tell me the dreams, and some dreams are highly symbolic, and you 282 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:07,279 have to look at the imagery that's within the dream that would tell you what's 283 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,799 you know, what's going on that you can gain further insight, whether it's 284 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:17,599 something happening in somebody's life, something that's going to happen in their lives. 285 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:27,599 I've had prophetic dreams certainly that were very vivid and uh, you know, 286 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:33,000 sometimes I would have dreams something would happen and within twenty four hours or would 287 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,200 happen afterwards. You ever, have you ever had dreams with animals in them, 288 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,440 because I think our animal spirits and our animal guides wouldtimes sometimes come to 289 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:47,960 us in our dreams because we're more accessible. Then I've had some animals come 290 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,640 in my dreams, but sometimes there's a fear factor involved in there, like 291 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,240 like I'm being stocked by an animal or something. Yeah, yeah, I 292 00:26:56,279 --> 00:27:02,000 think that's typical. And then and then if you you just turn and confront 293 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:07,519 the animal, it's pursuing you because it wants to have an interaction, interaction 294 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:12,920 with you. I mean, for years I had dreams of a giant snake 295 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:18,519 following me. No, I, like a lot of people had early fear 296 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:26,119 of snakes, and so I thought this was just horrible. And then I 297 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,960 thought, you know, maybe it's not trying to wrap itself around me, 298 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:36,079 this big snake. Maybe it wants to beat up with me, and you 299 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:41,440 know, for some other reason. And so I stopped in the in the 300 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:47,720 snake got to me and it went between my legs, and then it cut 301 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,680 on the other side of me, and then it rose up and it spoke 302 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,559 to me. And it was very simple, you know it I realized that 303 00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:03,839 I was running from my own animal spirit. Um. Now, with lucid 304 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:11,240 dreaming, this is the trick with lucid dreaming. With lucid dreams, you 305 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,960 are able to realize your dreaming and then have a measure of control of your 306 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:22,640 actions within the dream, like you dealing with the snake. Now, from 307 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:30,640 what that's it's it's very difficult for most of us to be in that situation 308 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:37,160 because I know sometimes you really have to work on it, maybe maybe before 309 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,039 you're going to bed, putting out that intention, setting the intention that you're 310 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:48,039 going to have a lucid dream and be able to be more of an active 311 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:53,079 participant and control the dream and then just and just be along for the ride 312 00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:59,720 exactly. So many people have trouble visualizing, and but you know, I 313 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:06,519 would throw this out that they're trying to visualize within the constructs of their their 314 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:11,759 analytical physical mind. And not everyone can do that, you know, uh, 315 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,680 inventors can, Artists can't, right, But a lot of us, 316 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,400 can't, you know. So it's hard. But but but this is a 317 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:27,160 different kind of visualization. This kind of visualization is asking your analytical brain to 318 00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:33,400 just kind of slow down and rest and let the whole body rest, and 319 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,920 then you ask your inner self to come out. And so we're talking about 320 00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:44,160 a different level of consciousness. I know we throw this term around, but 321 00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:49,759 too mystics, it generally means something else. Your inner consciousness is the consciousness 322 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:57,640 that connects you to all of life and greater cosmic consciousness. And this consciousness 323 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:03,200 can come forward and and create a picture. In fact, it thinks in 324 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,680 pictures. That's how it thinks. So it's very easy to visualize where you 325 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,319 want to go. Now, Now, when you can visualize where you want 326 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:15,079 to go, then you could have a lucid dream. You can actually program 327 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,799 that elucid dream, you know. Otherwise you can just think about it. 328 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,119 And if you think about it hard enough, it might come to be that 329 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,480 you might have a lucid dream inadvertently. And let's say, because it's not 330 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:33,400 programmed, and and the way you have it isn't that your analytical mind is 331 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,920 going to gift it to you, because it can't you know it that that 332 00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:42,240 wheel does not turn these waters. You know it's going to take it's going 333 00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:48,200 to take your your inner consciousness, your deeper consciousness to come forward and say, 334 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:53,319 okay, I'm free to do this now. So you see the whole 335 00:30:53,359 --> 00:31:00,720 trick too, well, just like meditation, the whole trick to actually doing 336 00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:07,079 dream work that's significant and we're speaking now of vivid lucid dreams, is to 337 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:15,559 to reach this this inner holistic harmony within you so that your physical body, 338 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:22,519 your physical mind can kind of rest and kind of tune out, so that 339 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:29,119 your inner consciousness and your spirit can come forward it. You know, in 340 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,880 a sense, then you have to get out of your own way. What 341 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:48,160 about with there's lucid dreaming, and then there's I'll go back to something that 342 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:56,319 I had learned to do, which is with shamanic practices, doing shamanic travels, 343 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:02,279 yes um using you know, get into that meditative state using the drumbeats 344 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:09,839 uh to adduce that that state where you're able to travel into other dimensions in 345 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:16,640 a lucid fashion. Very very similar, very similar. I mean the dream 346 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:22,480 walker of course, in the in the in the shamanic tradition, induces um 347 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:30,359 this heightened state of consciousness, heightened state of awareness to to to induce what's 348 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:37,640 sometimes called a vision where they visit ancestors, they go forward to speak to 349 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:43,960 the divine spirits, they speak to their animal spirits. They can even go 350 00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:46,839 forward in time, you know. And that's it's very very very similar, 351 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,440 you know. But I think most people, you know, they they're not 352 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,000 able to do that. You know, they're not able to meditate. And 353 00:32:55,039 --> 00:33:00,200 I think for the great, great bulk of people learning to control your dreams 354 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:06,759 in serious dream work, which has been going on for five thousand years, 355 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:14,880 it's probably the best way to get a handle on your inner self. Well, 356 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:20,640 how can someone, let's say, like myself, I have a hard 357 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:28,160 time meditating. I've tried using affirmations to try to have lucid dreams. Usually 358 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:34,079 my monkey brain won't shut off, and I have I've have difficulty with it. 359 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,279 What can an average person do to try to prepare for a dream journey 360 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:49,839 to have a lucid dream. The first thing is to find a RESTful position 361 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,519 where the body can slowly go to rest. Yeah, I do. What 362 00:33:53,640 --> 00:34:01,000 I do is is self hypnosis. I will consciously order my feet to go 363 00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:06,640 to sleep. And get heavy and dense, and then just there there, 364 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,039 I don't feel them anymore. And then I work upwards. My legs do 365 00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:14,960 the same thing, and the torso, and then the chest and the arms, 366 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,880 all the way to the top of my head. I just selectively focus 367 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,320 on a part of my body and I and I instructed to to become RESTful 368 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:30,519 and in recline. And you can only do this in a in a very 369 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:37,440 safe, peaceful, quiet place where you can do this, you know. 370 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:44,440 So then the last thing is to ask. You can't order it. You 371 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:50,239 have to ask your analytical physical mind to go to sleep, you know. 372 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:59,079 And and and with that understanding is that your your your consciousness will then come 373 00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:05,400 at your inner you're the part of you that dreams at will at night to 374 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,440 come forward and take charge because there's nothing, there's nothing else steering the ship 375 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,800 at that point. And the hardest part of all is to shut off that 376 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:22,199 analytical physical mind. It is so hard because there's the fear that you're going 377 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:29,719 to lose control. There's more than that, there's the built in a governor, 378 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,559 if you will, of the mind that says I'm in charge, I'm 379 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:40,480 responsible for safety and operating everything here I can't be shut down, but you 380 00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:45,480 have. You have to convince it to shut down or at least go into 381 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,599 a rest mode for a brief amount of time. And you can only do 382 00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:55,239 that with the assurance that all will be well and you will be safe during 383 00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:04,280 this dream experience. And then what I do is I begin to visualize what 384 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,000 I want to do, where I want to go, and what I want 385 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:12,719 to see in my lucid dream. And I do this by visualizing on a 386 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:20,679 clear, clear slate in my mind's eye. And I'm inside this, this 387 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,320 darkness inside my mind and and and at this point I call it my mind, 388 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:31,239 but I'm looking in. It's the mind's eye that's looking out into this 389 00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:36,639 blackness. And I call that the conscious void. It is the pool, 390 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,159 It is the pool from which everything comes. And in that deep pool, 391 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:49,760 then I begin to visualize exactly the agenda of my dream, you know. 392 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,280 And you can't do this with words. You can't do this with sounds or 393 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,719 anything that would come from the analytical mind. And it can only be done 394 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:07,280 as as the inner spirit sees and experiences everything visually. You begin to visually 395 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:13,920 draw or paint what you want to see, where you want to go what 396 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,480 you want to know. It can be vague, you know, but but 397 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:22,800 you begin to actually set then an agenda and a dream agenda of what you 398 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:29,679 want to experience. And then you as you tuck that back, you you 399 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:37,119 repair yourself for leaving the body, leaving the body to go out and explore, 400 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:43,159 and with with the understanding that when you call that slate back in front 401 00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:46,519 of you, in front of your mind's eye again, that will be your 402 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:51,719 map to take you where you want to go. And it is, it 403 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:57,559 is, it's your ticket. It's your ticket to to to your dreamscape. 404 00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,719 And in the dreamscape, you know, going to experience things in a much 405 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,840 deeper way. You know, you'll see colors you've never seen, and you'll 406 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:14,880 you'll you'll be fragrances and and and experiences uh you've never you know, you'll 407 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:20,320 go somewhere in a in a flash, you can go vision virtually anywhere in 408 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,039 a moment, you know, just by thinking about it. But you need 409 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:30,480 to set up a dream by bye, you need. Every good journey starts 410 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,639 with a plan, right and a lucid dream. I would submit you to 411 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:40,599 you as a really exciting exotic journey. So this journey of the soul needs 412 00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:45,400 to have a plan. You need to know what you're going to take with 413 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,719 you. Now, you don't need to take a backpack, you know, 414 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,760 like the fool in the Tarot card that starts out on a journey, there's 415 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,519 very little in his knap knapsack. If you notice, the fool carries nothing 416 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,599 on that stick but a little teeny you know, twat of things. Because 417 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:09,159 everything you have is inside of you. So you just need to know where 418 00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:14,480 you're going, when, when you want to be there, what you want 419 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,320 to see, and what you want to learn, and if you can if 420 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,440 you can do that, and it doesn't matter that you can't draw, I 421 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:28,039 can't draw, I can't hardly fingerpain. But you will know this is your 422 00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:32,360 own shorthand of where you want to go in your in your dream and you 423 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,920 have to have you have to have a dream plan to do dream work. 424 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,960 With the plan and the types of dream work, I mean, what kind 425 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,960 of dream work can somebody do? I mean, as some examples, whether 426 00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:58,039 it's learning more about themselves, about their their purpose in life, or maybe 427 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,119 looking at other realms. What are some good examples. Well, well, 428 00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:06,800 you've you've you've touched on some big ones. I think most people have these 429 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,639 big questions that they're confronted with, and they have no way of resolving it 430 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,400 with their analytical mind, like who am I? Why am I here? 431 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,079 What is my mission? What should I be doing with my life? You 432 00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:23,199 know? What am I missing? You know? And so all of these 433 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,639 questions you know, and and you and you could explore all of these and 434 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:34,800 lucid dreams in ways that you could never do walking around during the day with 435 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,880 the best of hiking shoes. But but I but I think that I think 436 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:49,880 that most people probably want to know who am I? And and and what 437 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,320 why am I here? Because I think that most people have some idea that 438 00:40:55,679 --> 00:41:00,360 that there's something unresolved in their life, some things that they're missing that they 439 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:06,199 should have they should have been addressing in their lifetime, and they don't know 440 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,239 what it is, you know, what? In short, what should I 441 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,559 be doing with my life? You know? Because you know, we sense 442 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,199 destiny in each one of us, that there's some reason why we're here and 443 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,400 there must have been some kind of an agenda for us to come here, 444 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,239 especially those of us who do believe in past lives, we think we probably 445 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,360 return again and again and again and we keep forgetting what was my primary mission, 446 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,320 you know. So you know, we have this great amnesia when we're 447 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,960 born, you know this, and and and and most of us simply don't 448 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,960 remember, you know. So I think that they our inner spirit knows all. 449 00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:52,559 It precedes us, and it will it will will continue long after we're 450 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:57,920 physically gone. And it knows, it knows, it knows the plan, 451 00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:01,559 It knows your mission. It is your destiny. So let it explore and 452 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:08,280 discover itself. And I think that for most people that the greatest thing you 453 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:21,920 can do with your lucid dream is to know yourself. You mentioned, um 454 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:28,079 in the email that you sent before this, there's a couple of topics on 455 00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:31,920 here that I find interesting. Um, you know, we talked about parallel 456 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:38,920 lives, Yeah, and visiting. Tell a little bit about visiting parallel lives 457 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,360 and what we can learn from that during a lucid dream. Well, we're 458 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,639 probably more complex than than we like to admit. We like to think, 459 00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:53,599 Oh, you know, I'm so obvious, you know. I All you 460 00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:58,639 have to do is just you know, look at my calendar, and look 461 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,880 look at my phone and look at you know, but there's there's there's a 462 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,920 lot going on behind the scenes, right, So, I think that most 463 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:14,800 of us are probably aware of a parallel life that there, that that that 464 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:22,760 is is somehow part of them actively or inact inactively, they're they're aware that 465 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:30,039 of of of things that should catch their attention that are related to them, 466 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:36,599 Um, others in your soul group, if perhaps who are they? Where 467 00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:39,000 are they? And how do I link up with them? You know, 468 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:45,760 there are are are things that that that kind of vex all of us. 469 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,840 Don't you think that we were we're not seeing the whole picture. I I 470 00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:58,840 I personally think that, um, most people are somewhat aware of a of 471 00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:06,280 a parallel existence. Now that could simply be the part of you that leaves 472 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,800 at night and goes on these lucid dreams, but I think I think that 473 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:15,159 that's kind of an awfully short answer. I think that the part of you 474 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:22,039 that leaves at night and goes out on these dreams is exploring a life that 475 00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:27,840 you you're ignoring. So I do think that there are parallel realities. I 476 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,920 do think I do think that we in fact live on other planes of existence. 477 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,920 And I think this is why if you look at our seven chakras and 478 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:45,039 our seven subtle bodies that I think they all correspond to other planes of existence. 479 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:52,679 What about shared dreams? Yeah, see, so so shared dreams are 480 00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:59,079 really special. Now you could have a shared dream with someone who's very very 481 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:02,599 close to you, and you could actually dream link with them, and you 482 00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:07,400 could do this like, oh, well inadvertently, but that's just kind of 483 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,880 a big surprise, like oh, I ran into your last night during a 484 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,760 dream. But you know, you could actually program yourselves to have the same 485 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,360 dream and the same night and go to the same place. And those are 486 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:25,800 very very special because when you do that, then you you you you can 487 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:31,000 both come back and analyze the dream together and it will have a slightly different 488 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,079 meeting for both of you. And now you could do this with a group, 489 00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:37,519 of course, but I think it's easier to do it with one person 490 00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:44,280 you know most likely. And this person might likely be someone very very close 491 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:49,760 to you, like a mate, spouse, a best friend, a sibling. 492 00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,800 It might be someone like that. It might be your your twin flame, 493 00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:58,800 you know, it might be someone from your soul group. It's it's 494 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,840 usually you know, if you have a twin obviously at twin but if someone 495 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,440 very close to you is going to be very very good at this because you're 496 00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:15,599 already kind of linked. Ironically, I had a twin brother, so oh, 497 00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:21,519 but we never had shared dreams exactly. Oh okay, but I think 498 00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:23,880 you could have, you see, because you would have been closer than most 499 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:29,199 people and you would have been able to dream link. And dreamlinks are very 500 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,280 special because then you can come back and you can you can speak at length 501 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,280 with this other person about the dream experience. And that's the other thing is 502 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:45,599 like people who have very common stress dreams all the time, they want to 503 00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:49,320 talk about everything that was in the dream. You know, what did the 504 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,920 owl mean? Or, as mister Freud would say, what did the cigar 505 00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:57,960 mean? Right? So you say, well, you come back from a 506 00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:01,360 lucid dream and it all has meaning too, but it but it's you know, 507 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,840 it's like it has meaning for you. You know what did it mean 508 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,400 to you? So you know, it's very hard to like go to a 509 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,239 psychologist say and say, oh, I had this this lucid dream. I 510 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,519 would like you you'd explain it to me. I mean you could do that, 511 00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:21,000 and I'm sure, I'm sure that they'll take a shot at it. 512 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,719 But you know, it's like you're you're the best interpreter of this dream. 513 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:30,880 It's a very it's a very personal encounter, right. So I mean if 514 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,280 you, if you, if you do a dream link with someone, a 515 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:40,599 shared dream, you know you can talk about it together and probably get more 516 00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:45,760 out of it. Because they are they are going to be they are going 517 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:52,800 to be very very lucid. They're going to be very very direct. You 518 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,000 know, they're not going to have a whole lot of hidden meetings. But 519 00:47:55,039 --> 00:48:00,599 there there are keys to be opened in all of this because it's a new 520 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:06,559 experience for you. It's it's a new encounter. And so while there might 521 00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:10,800 be not a not a whole lot of symbolism in in a lucid dream as 522 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:17,559 opposed to another dream, there would still be a lot of unraveling or or 523 00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:22,159 or unpacking to do with the other end. So I think, I think 524 00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:29,559 when you come back from a lucid dream, you want to go into a 525 00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:38,239 lower level meditation where you're you're reflecting inwardly, reflecting on it without without engaging 526 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:47,119 the analytical mind initially, just letting your inner your inner consciousness absorb it and 527 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:53,280 digest it and grab a hold of it and encapsulate it and when you've done 528 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,679 that to some degree, then you can get up and then you can begin 529 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:08,079 to analyze it analytically. What does it mean regarding the never ending journey of 530 00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:14,039 the hero inside you? Yeah? See, so the never ending journey of 531 00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:17,519 the hero inside you is your dream self. You know, it is your 532 00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:25,239 inner spirit or consciousness that can step outside you and take these great journeys. 533 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:34,440 And that journey never ends because that that dream walker inside you you see, 534 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:42,239 is pure energy. It is it is conscious energy, and it will never 535 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,280 die, It will never be destroyed, It will never end, you know. 536 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:55,760 And and u as said in the bog bog Gida, written thousands of 537 00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:01,480 years ago in India, it is the part of you that uh that that 538 00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:06,760 precedes all, it ends all it is. It is a part of you 539 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,559 that never was born and never will die. It just is. It is 540 00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:19,760 pure conscious energy. And that that dream walker inside you um is um is 541 00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:25,800 on a is A is on a journey that keeps going around and around and 542 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:31,320 around circles within circles. So you think of the hero's journey the here, 543 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,960 the arc of the hero's journey tends to be in literature or in psychology, 544 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:42,880 around circle where you accept a call with the journey, and you embark, 545 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:49,440 and then you have you have a challenge right off a gate to be to 546 00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:53,480 be encountered, and you get past the initial gate, and then you go 547 00:50:53,639 --> 00:51:00,760 through where you're dealing with supernatural forces and an enemy and allies, and then 548 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:07,199 you come to the midway point where you have the deep abyss of the soul, 549 00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:12,800 and then you begin the hero's arc of recovery back homeward. And then 550 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,679 you return home, you know, and and this and this hero ark of 551 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:23,519 the journey, supposedly you become transformed into a greater person, you know, 552 00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:30,000 and and you're not the person you were at the beginning. You return home 553 00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:34,880 a hero, you know, with with great abilities and insight from having done 554 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,719 the journey. Well, this happens in every lucid dream. It happens over 555 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,199 and over and over, this ark of the journey. Moreover, your life 556 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,079 is like that. Your whole life is the arc of a hero's journey. 557 00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:53,480 And you will eventually eventually complete the journey and go home. Now what does 558 00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:58,719 home mean, Well, it's not necessarily Ithaca or going back to Kansas. 559 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:04,039 It is returning, in this case, back to the source of all creation. 560 00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:08,320 So upon physical death. You will return home to home base, and 561 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,920 then you'll start the whole thing again. So you see, it's like getting 562 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,800 on a musical carousel that you know, you up and down on these horses 563 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:22,400 and then the music stops, and then you just get on another horse and 564 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:30,280 the music starts again, and this will go on forever. Can you We've 565 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:36,679 got a few minutes left. Can you do you have any lucid dreams that 566 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:45,679 you have had that you could share as an example? Oh? Any um, 567 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:52,760 But they're very personal. A lot of times in my dreams, I'm 568 00:52:52,039 --> 00:53:01,800 encountering people that I don't know in this physical world. And the interesting thing 569 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,119 about these kind of dreams is that when you become aware that you're you're meeting 570 00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:15,840 with a interesting cast of characters assembled only during this dream escape is that you 571 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:21,039 can return to them and they're there, and then you you understand that you're 572 00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:23,719 in a dream, and then you come to understand that they understand that they're 573 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:29,519 in a dream, and then you come to understand that you're all beginning to 574 00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:34,920 like have this dream together in that sense, you're it's a shared dream, 575 00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:40,639 right, So these dream characters, you know, not people of of of 576 00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:50,960 of the daytime experience are are kind of like, um, I don't know. 577 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,320 I wouldn't say they were like a dream world people, but they're there. 578 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,960 There are people that do not occupy your waking hours. So then you 579 00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:04,639 become aware of people that are going through the same experience as you, and 580 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:09,639 and you're gathering together, and people will typically have their first lucid dream where 581 00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:13,880 they go to what's called the upper room and they all sit in a circle 582 00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:16,880 and then someone comes out and speaks to them. You know. That's that's 583 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:22,840 a classic example of a lucid dream, which is a shared dream. Well, 584 00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:28,360 the kind of dreams I have is like I keep encountering these people and 585 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,400 then I later on find out that they're out there. I mean, they're 586 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:37,360 there. I just haven't physically met them yet. They're out there, you 587 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,039 know. So I've come to meet some of them, and some of these 588 00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:44,320 people I seem to have a lot of past life we call with them, 589 00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:47,000 you know. So I guess what I'm saying is in a lot of my 590 00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:55,360 lucid dreams, I've I've reconnected with some of my soul cluster groups that I 591 00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,920 keep returning with, and I have many life times in common with these people, 592 00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:06,079 it is. It's been a huge resource to talk to them. Only 593 00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:13,800 a couple three, you know, but it's it's really significant because because they 594 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:22,199 know me better than on physical analytical level, I know myself. Well. 595 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:29,199 This has been really fascinating, definitely something I'm gonna try to start working with 596 00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:36,239 more to try to induce more of the lucid dreaming. Moving forward. Now, 597 00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:40,400 is the book available yet? Yes, it's available. You can get 598 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,679 it online. I think you can order it through a bookstore. If they 599 00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:51,360 don't. Haven't becomes from Red Feather, which is part of Shiver Publishing in 600 00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:58,719 Pennsylvania, and it's now out there. I think that it's actually on sale 601 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:05,400 online right now at Amazon, if I can use them as an example. 602 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:12,199 And his Companion is on sale if this one isn't. So um. Yeah, 603 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:17,440 And I think that it's important for people to understand their dream and begin 604 00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:22,239 doing dream work, because you go back as early as you know, two 605 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:30,239 thousand BC in Egypt they were they were inducing dreams for insight, you know, 606 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,159 and in the Greeks, you know, like one thousand BC, they 607 00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:40,639 were forming dream dictionaries and they actually had dream temples. And then of course 608 00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:46,880 we had the Morpheus experience mysteries. I mean, people for many, many 609 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:53,639 centuries have been using their dreams as a way of learning more about themselves and 610 00:56:53,800 --> 00:57:00,880 the world around them. Fantastic. Well, I just want to thank you 611 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,639 so much for coming on tonight talking about this. Hope people will pick up 612 00:57:05,679 --> 00:57:10,000 the book. I'm certainly going to look into this more myself because there's a 613 00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:16,480 lot of work that I want to do so and definitely when you're when your 614 00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:22,400 other books start coming out, especially as we mentioned earlier about the Elemental and 615 00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:24,320 Nature Spirits one, I definitely want to talk to you on that one. 616 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:30,519 Oh yeah, you bet you. That sounds like fun. Well, thank 617 00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:36,679 you and thank you everybody for tuning into another edition of the Paranormal UK Radio 618 00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:43,519 Show, the flagship show here on the Paranormal Radio UK radio network. I'll 619 00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:47,159 just screwed that one up and we'll be back in two weeks with another brand 620 00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:51,960 new show. So thank you all for tuning in and be good humans. 621 00:57:52,159 --> 00:58:05,400 We will catch you later. Bybebe s