WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:07.559 You're listening to KFI A six forty on demand. Rubelle, Welcome to the 2 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:11.160 Jesus Christ Show. Hi Jesus, thanks for taking my call, my pleasure. 3 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:15.560 How can i help you? Okay, It's just something I've always done. 4 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:18.719 It's just you know, when if you don't believe someone, you make 5 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:21.440 them swear to God. And I figure if you swear to God and telling 6 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:23.359 the truth, it's not a problem. If you swear to God and you 7 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:26.559 lie, you burn an hell. So that's like, I don't see the 8 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:31.239 difference between that and swarting to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing 9 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:34.600 but the truth. So I'll be God. Is that people always tell me 10 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:36.679 if that's a sin to swear to God even if you're telling the truth. 11 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:43.840 Well, the two are different. One in the case of being in a 12 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:47.479 courtroom, you are swearing to tell the truth. You're not swearing to God. 13 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:50.399 You're saying, so help you God, meaning that there will be consequences 14 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:53.960 to you not telling the truth. When you swear to God, you are 15 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:59.600 putting yourself in comnant with God in regards to any particular topic that you will 16 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:03.200 not follow through with. Even if you think you're telling the truth, you 17 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:06.120 will not follow through. With an example of this, and I'm going to 18 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:08.640 give you just a tiny bit of homework is you can go through and you 19 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:15.079 can read them Abrahamic covenant found in Genesis twelve one through three, and you 20 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:19.359 can see the ceremony that takes place there between God and Abraham, and how 21 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:26.799 God the Father even put Abraham to sleep so that he wouldn't walk down this 22 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.599 aisle and be a part of this covenant, as was normally the case when 23 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:36.079 two people were making a covenant they both walk down this isle. It seems 24 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:44.879 quite strange by today's standards dealing with these offerings. And for the point of 25 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:49.359 understanding, you had two halves of animals and they would walk through, and 26 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:53.079 the two parties would pass through to show that their bond with this covenant and 27 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:59.480 his belief. Well, if in this particular safe case, this covenant was 28 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:04.519 with between God and Abraham, God didn't even want Abraham to walk down it 29 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.199 for many reasons, one of which is that Abraham would not have been able 30 00:02:07.240 --> 00:02:09.879 to live up to it, as any man would not have been able to 31 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:14.960 live up with it to it. So God represented both sides in this case, 32 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:21.479 and God ended up being the one who made the covenant with himself. 33 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:25.719 So Abraham ends up being a party to it, but a silent party in 34 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:30.080 this particular case. And when you swear to God and I know, it 35 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:35.039 becomes kind of a just a vernacular and it gets thrown around. It does 36 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:38.639 a couple of things. One, it makes a promise to God that you 37 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:45.599 cannot keep because you're human and you're fallible. And two, on the flip 38 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:53.360 side, it makes it makes it trite, It makes it small and meaningless 39 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:55.879 to throw around God's name in that context and to say, you know, 40 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:01.080 say these things. Also in scripture, another part that might be playing into 41 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:05.560 this is it says, let your yes mean yes, and you know me 42 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:09.479 no, that's it. So if you have to go to the place where 43 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:15.400 you're starting to swear all the time, that means that that implies that other 44 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:19.000 times you're not telling the truth. That if you have to say no, 45 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:22.919 this time, I'm really telling the truth. But last time I lied to 46 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:24.719 you, is what it's implying. And so it's better to get to a 47 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:30.960 point us, especially with your friends, that the confidence is in the person 48 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:34.000 saying it. That if you're saying, if you're making the claim that you're 49 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:39.479 making the claim based on the best knowledge you have and doing it wholeheartedly and 50 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:44.560 not somehow you know, going well, no, most of the time, 51 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:47.680 I'm full of garbage, But this time, no, I'm actually telling the 52 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:52.960 truth. Watch. I'll even swear to God one don't bring me into it. 53 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:58.039 If there's something that you want to stand on, stand on on your 54 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.520 own, say leave this to be true. And you note that I believe 55 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:10.000 it to be true because it's coming out of my mouth. Sandy, Welcome 56 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:14.479 to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi Jesus, thank you for taking my call. 57 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:20.439 I have a question about Genesis one seven. God says, So, 58 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:30.560 God created man in his own image. I'm one behind. Possibly, yeah, 59 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:35.560 let us make man in our image. He's speaking in plural there, 60 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:41.720 and it confuses me. You know, some people, You're in good company. 61 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:46.000 Some people get confused by that. And there actually is about three different 62 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:50.240 explanations that people, theologians and the like go to when it comes to this 63 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:57.759 particular passage. The most simplistic answer is the direct answer, and that is 64 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:03.120 that in the Hebrew the word which is used there for God is actually plural. 65 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:11.600 The word by its very nature is plural. So some say, just 66 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:18.560 by way of assumption that the basic grammar begs for that response. So it 67 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:24.519 says that the name of God in this sense is plural. Then it goes 68 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:30.360 on to say, let us go down and make man in our image has 69 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.759 to be plural because the name of God in that context is plural. So 70 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:40.279 academically that's the simplest answer. Now people get confused and go, well, 71 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:44.959 why is God's name plural in that case? Well, God's name goes from 72 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:50.720 plural to singular throughout scripture depending on the context. But God in the Judeo 73 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:59.480 Christian belief system is always one, always one. The Shmah is hero is 74 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:00.519 reel, the life, Lord, our God. The Lord is one. 75 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:06.160 The word there a God is That means one is very important. So as 76 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:10.920 a as a belief system, that's that's a monotheistic belief system. You believe 77 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:15.600 in one God. That doesn't make God plural. That merely says that the 78 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:20.399 massiveness of God is a plurality. But God is not plural. There's not 79 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:26.600 many gods. So the debate goes on here from there and goes from the 80 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.240 just a simple word study into the possibility that it could be. There are 81 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:38.040 some that believe that it's merely God speaking to the Godhead, the Father, 82 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:43.439 the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And there, yeah, absolutely there 83 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:49.120 are many wonderful theologians that believe that, not putting him in the wonderful theologian 84 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:55.399 category. But my producer Neil believes that also in addition to that, there 85 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:59.800 are some that even maybe on a stretch, look at this as a possible 86 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:08.120 use of the majestic we you know, the old elizabeth Ian we are not 87 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:15.160 to muse or the Queen Victoria that those type of kind of majestic terms always 88 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:20.600 speaking in plurality, but the context doesn't really denote that. And then lastly, 89 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:27.439 there are those that believe that it's the Father speaking to the Holy host 90 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:31.079 of angels, but that doesn't sit true in the context because it says, 91 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:39.120 let us go down and make man in our image, and angels are debatable 92 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:42.639 as far as being made in the image of God to begin with, let 93 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:48.120 alone going and creating creation further based on another creation, which is angels. 94 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:57.600 So the most likely explanation is dealing with strictly that it's just the language, 95 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.680 the way the language was speaks that the name of God Elohim in this case 96 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:09.120 is plural. Therefore led us grammatically has to be plural as well. But 97 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:15.160 I think that since the rest of Scripture as you go through, often speaks 98 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:22.079 of the Trinity. And I'm going to reference Matthew three, sixteen and seventeen 99 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:30.160 tewod Corinthians thirteen fourteen, first Peter one two, is you know, spoken 100 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:35.480 about throughout scripture. Now, it's not necessarily fully developed in the Old Testament, 101 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:41.200 but if you read Psalm one ten one, Isaiah sixty three seven, 102 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:48.799 Isaiah nine or sixty three seven, nine and ten as well, and Proverbs 103 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:54.879 thirty verse four, I think that you get a good insight as to the 104 00:08:54.919 --> 00:09:05.120 Trinity as something that exists and is obviously deeply rooted in scripture. Jim, 105 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.320 welcome to Jesus Christ show. All right, Jesus is great to talk to 106 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:11.960 you. My pleasure, Jim. How can I help you? Uh conundrum 107 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:15.960 in some of my some of the churches I've been in in the past, 108 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:22.320 as I realized that I was kind of just a Christian and name only the 109 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:26.120 way I lived my life for years and years, and as I get into 110 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:31.799 your words and start studying and being in a lot of Bible studies, realizing 111 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:37.840 that my fruit was rotten, and people would know me that I wasn't living 112 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.679 the way I needed to live. Well, now, as the more I 113 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.080 study, I'll know others about it by their free And the biggest thing that 114 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:54.360 that seems so hard to get a pastor to address, especially a male pastor, 115 00:09:54.039 --> 00:10:00.600 is im modest dress among women, especially in church, especially leavage. 116 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:03.840 And you know, I brought up to a person at church, what if 117 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.120 I wore my cap in church every Sunday. They said, well, people 118 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.399 will be asking you to take it off. And I say, why, 119 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:15.039 what's the difference between you know? They said, you know, there was 120 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.159 obvious reasons for that, but nobody, even the women, won't go to 121 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.440 some of the other women and say, look, darling, we'd like you 122 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.360 to dress a little more modestly, or the Lord would like you to do 123 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.320 or that's and then what's really weird is when somebody has a cross, a 124 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:35.240 lady has a cross hanging right between that area decollegue. So I don't want 125 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:37.480 to you know, people say, well, we're not supposed to judge. 126 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.879 I understand that, but anyway, it seems to cause a stumbling block for 127 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.919 men. To me, it seems to cause a stumbling block for men who 128 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:50.440 have problems with sexual addiction. And so I just wondered, what do you 129 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:52.919 think about all that? Well, there's many verses, and I'm going to 130 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.240 try and get to as many of them as I can in the time that 131 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:00.320 we have allotted. First of all, the hat issue is a specific issue 132 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.519 spoken about, and first Corinthians eleven four through seven, so about a man 133 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:09.639 wearing a hat, and so that might be a little more specific. But 134 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.480 as far as a woman showing her cleavage or not showing her cleavage, there's 135 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:20.879 not necessarily a specific verse for that in scripture. The misunderstanding in scripture deals 136 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.600 a lot as far as what modesty is. You kind of have to know 137 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:28.919 based on yourself. There are all kinds of weird fetishes out there where men 138 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:33.759 like ankles or feet or hands, And you're not going to have the women 139 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:37.799 cover their hands or their feet or their ankles just because there's men that have 140 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:41.919 issues with it. That would be silly, wouldn't you agree, So there's 141 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:46.480 there's a balance and an understanding here. One Timothy two nine and ten. 142 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:52.120 One Peter three through five will give you an idea of certain verses that talk 143 00:11:52.200 --> 00:12:00.440 about modesty and dressed for women in particular. But you kind of have to 144 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:01.600 know more than that. You kind of have to know the history of what 145 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:05.480 took place here in the biblical times. It's not about women wearing pants or 146 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:11.279 not wearing pants. It's totally fine with women wearing pants. It's really speaking 147 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:16.240 about the beauty of an individual should come from their faith and their understanding of 148 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.039 God, not from adornment. That's the first thing. As far as modesty, 149 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.360 the rules of modesty are going to change as they've changed throughout the centuries. 150 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.240 So it's gonna be hard, Jim, for you to say. Now, 151 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.559 you may know it when you see it, you may say that bothers 152 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:33.240 me, but to dictate that to someone else, there's not going to be 153 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:35.960 a biblical precedent for that. There's not gonna be a place where you can 154 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:43.440 say you can't do this specifically, because in scripture it talks about general ideas 155 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:48.799 or things that were combating the view or to the appearance of being a pagan, 156 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:52.720 not so much just for the sake of looking a particular way. So 157 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.840 modesty is going to change, and you're gonna have to kind of change with 158 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.399 it. If something bothers you then you need not to look at it. 159 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:05.279 But a woman showing her cleavage isn't less necessarily the end of the world. 160 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.360 Okay, we were up against a break there and Jim had such a great 161 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:15.480 question. There's more to it that I wanted to get into. It's not 162 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:18.200 that women should be able to do whatever they want anymore than a man can 163 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:22.960 do whatever he wants in church. But when it comes to cleavage, there's 164 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:30.000 an area of discernment that's going to be different with different people. There is 165 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:37.919 nothing inherently vulgar about cleavage. The interpretation of that cleavage would be based on 166 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:43.759 an individual person. So if it's something it's really the way a man looks 167 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:50.600 at the cleavage that's the problem. And so there's kind of a marriage that 168 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.840 should be done between the two. A woman should not be putting a man 169 00:13:54.919 --> 00:14:01.679 in the area of lust and a man should not be lusting. So to 170 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:07.200 what point that happens, And truly it doesn't. You don't need cleavage to 171 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:15.279 lust. So at what point should be the discernments discernment of the individuals in 172 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:20.639 any particular case? Are there women that dress inappropriately at church? Absolutely? 173 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.120 I see it quite often that it looks like women are going to a beauty 174 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:35.120 contest. And some of these churches really have very cliquish popularity contests. And 175 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:41.159 these are the wealthy groups, and they're very fantastic churches. And these are 176 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:43.559 all the books we've written, and these are all the music CDs we've put 177 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.720 out, all of these things, and it gets to the point where the 178 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:52.720 gospel is kind of put in the back seat and people are wearing all their 179 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.759 fancy clothing and look how wealthy are Look how productive I am in this world. 180 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.720 And yes, that can take away from from the cause of Christ, 181 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:07.759 but you also have to A woman may say, hey, a guy and 182 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.200 T shirts and jeans does it for her? And is she going to dictate 183 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:18.399 now, I don't want T shirt and jeans. And you know, baggy 184 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:22.360 pants looks like you're a gangster type pants looks like you're trying to show off 185 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.320 your goods. There's you're going to have to use discernment and it's not going 186 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:33.639 to be one size fits all. The clothing. The background dealing with the 187 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.879 clothing of biblical times, it was incredibly different from what you wear today. 188 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:43.720 It was very similar that what men and women wore there was very few things 189 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:52.279 that differentiated, and men often wore you know that this kind of loose woolen 190 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:58.799 robelike cloak, and it referred to in scripture often as a mantle. This 191 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:03.879 this outer garment, and they have belts or something fastened around the waist, 192 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:12.039 a sash, and a coat that went over that long piece of cloth, 193 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:22.159 sometimes leather sandals. Men would wear turbans. I know you don't think of 194 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:26.039 it that way, and you don't see a lot of biblical depictions that way 195 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:33.080 in movies, but that's the truth. Women sometimes and in some cultures would 196 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:38.600 wear a veil, but not necessarily across the board. So there are some 197 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:42.120 specifics that are talked about in scripture. Cross dressing is one of them, 198 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:45.639 and part of that is due to the confusion that it caused. There were 199 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.759 so many similarities in biblical times of how a man and a woman looked, 200 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.559 and there were rules and laws as such. Men weren't supposed to touch women 201 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:57.039 that weren't their wives. Some of the cross dressing would cause confusion. Now 202 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:00.480 there's other insights. Some people say, well, has to deal with sexuality 203 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:06.000 and these types of things, but there were basic concerns that if you didn't 204 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:07.519 know that you were. You were reaching out to touch a man or a 205 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:14.799 woman that could cause problems, and the appearance was very similar. So those 206 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.240 distinctions were important so that men would not get themselves into a situation and women 207 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:26.519 would not get themselves into a situation. In the New Testament, when it 208 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:33.079 talks about proper dress for women, it says in one Timothy two nine through 209 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:37.559 ten, I also want women to dress modestly with decency and propriety, not 210 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.279 with braided hair, or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good 211 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.960 deeds appropriate for women who profess to worship God. Does that mean that a 212 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:51.880 Christian woman cannot braid her hair, or gold or pearls or expensive clothes. 213 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:57.160 No. The context of this is trying to overshadow any of those things, 214 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:03.200 to make the individual not be about those material goods, but it be about 215 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:07.839 the goods of the heart, good deeds, those things that were appropriate for 216 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:18.039 women who profess to worship God. A lot of these Biblical writings were countering 217 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:22.759 a concern at the time. The epistles are really dealing with things that were 218 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.160 going on in the church at the time that they were trying to combat, 219 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:32.440 and so that comes out quite a bit in the scripture, and sometimes when 220 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:37.079 reading it people don't put it in its proper context, and therefore it gets 221 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:41.480 misunderstood that there was a battle going on between the Pagans, between new people 222 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:48.359 coming to church and understanding this thing, this new church that was different than 223 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:53.640 just temple to them, and an understanding is what should be done there Now 224 00:18:53.680 --> 00:19:00.119 a lot of the New Testament epistles the letters are dealing with these specific abuses 225 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:07.000 during the early church growth, and some people feel, some theologians feel that 226 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:15.599 Paul was was very big on declaring all people equal, men and women equal, 227 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.720 and that wasn't always the case in some religious views at the time, 228 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:23.680 and that everyone was part of the family of God. You can reference Galatians 229 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:29.920 three twenty six through twenty nine, and there are a lot of theologians and 230 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:36.400 scholars that believe that at this time there were women that were feeling their new 231 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:40.799 stated liberation and going overboard. And you see that all the time. There's 232 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:45.680 people that they get a new lease or they have a freedom that comes to 233 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.200 them, and the first desire is to swing the pendulum all the way to 234 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:56.000 the other side and not find balance. And some theologians believe that these statements 235 00:19:56.039 --> 00:20:00.400 in One Timothy two nine through ten and One Peter three two through five, 236 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:10.519 we're addressing this kind of swing to the opposite side as the early Church was 237 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:15.039 saying, no, men and women are equal and women have rights. I 238 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.599 know that sounds different than what some people would like to tell you. Scripture 239 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:22.799 in the New Testament says, but that's the truth. The scripture was about 240 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:29.799 liberating women and showing the equality between men and women, and not saying that 241 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:32.880 there isn't different positions, because there are. Everyone has different positions, and 242 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:37.359 women give birth, men do not, and things like that. But some 243 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:44.920 feel that during the time historically women started going overboard because of the repression and 244 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:51.720 the oppression and going overboard, and this was to squelch that in response saying, 245 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:52.200 hey, hey, hey, hey, tone it down a bit. 246 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:57.000 It's not about that. It's still it's about your heart and that's what God 247 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:02.200 wants to see and not your adornments. And don't cause someone to stumble. 248 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:06.200 Scripture does say that that a brother should not cause another brother to stumble. 249 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:11.119 So in the case of cleavage, in the case of a woman dressing attractive, 250 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:15.519 at what point do you say hey, that's causing me to stumble and 251 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:19.160 it's infringing on their liberties or freedoms. As a Christian, that's something for 252 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:25.400 you if you really feel that, you you know, you feel moved to 253 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:27.960 go up to somebody and in the case of being at a church and you 254 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:34.119 feel that a woman's dressing inappropriately and you want to approach her and say, 255 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:40.599 I in no way want to make you feel embarrassed or feel bad about yourself. 256 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:45.039 It's just a struggle for me here at church to focus on God. 257 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.279 When I find that some people are wearing mini skirts or you know, half 258 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:52.440 tops or things like that, I think it's very appropriate to go up and 259 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.240 say, hey, I have an issue with this, or it's really distracting. 260 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.000 And I don't mean that to make you feel bad in new way shape. 261 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.960 That's just the truth of it. And it's hard for me to get 262 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:08.319 past that and get to that point of worshiping God. But when you start, 263 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.680 you know, saying well, then there may be something that she finds 264 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:17.880 distracting and you go back and forth, and that's when problems arise. It 265 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:23.200 is difficult for male pastors to speak on these things because it may be looked 266 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:33.759 upon as patriarchal lean on women and women alone. It's not very fair in 267 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:40.319 the eyes of a woman that since women don't look at men as sexual objects 268 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:45.119 in the same way in the same sense, that it doesn't affect men. 269 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:47.960 So now the women are the ones that are constantly having to deal with this 270 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:52.920 because the guys can't see them in fitted pants or a fitted top without thinking 271 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:57.960 that them sexually. So I would say that it is very much a combined 272 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:04.359 effort that men need to see women differently and women need to understand that men 273 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:11.720 do look at them, and the combination should birth a new modesty in the 274 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:19.200 church. But what is modest now, for better or for worse, is 275 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:26.519 different than what was modest two thousand years ago, and that can't you can't 276 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.079 pass that up. I don't think that's fair to take it out of context 277 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:34.559 and not understand that. So the battle does continue, and I understand that 278 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:38.680 a lot of men deal with this and women. I want you to know 279 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:45.079 that and to think about that when you're dressing as men and women should be 280 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:52.119 going to church for God and not to show off their latest outfits or to 281 00:23:52.839 --> 00:24:04.480 somehow show off their bodies. Charlie welcome to Jesus Christ show Hi, Hi, 282 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:11.640 Charlie. I have a kind of a theological question for you. If 283 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.640 God is all knowing, then does he know those that are going to be 284 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:22.359 saved? I was told that salvation does not come through choice, that God 285 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:30.000 knows your actions prior to you taking them. And the question I have then 286 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:37.640 going along those lines, did you die for everyone as the Bible says? 287 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:42.640 Or is there limited atonement for the elect that you read about in Ephesians, 288 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:51.440 in tewod Peter and there's a few other books. Because I'm always I always 289 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:56.480 hear the scripture reference that none should perish, and I was just curious as 290 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.039 to what your take was on that. Yes, this is one of those 291 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:06.759 theological dilemmas that sometimes it's right in front of you and people don't seem to 292 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:11.319 see it. When it comes to being all knowing, that doesn't mean dictating, 293 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:18.240 Charlie. You remember that that old silly show The Newlywed Game, and 294 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:22.640 the premise was that the husband and wife, the newlyweds, One would go 295 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:27.400 where they couldn't hear, and the other would sit and answer questions that they 296 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:33.079 thought the spouse would say, and then they'd come back together and you'd see 297 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:37.960 how many of them you got right. So, what's your wife's favorite ice 298 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:42.279 cream? And the man, the newly man would say it's chocolate, or 299 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:47.839 they might even word it this way. If we had chocolate and vanilla here 300 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.200 for your wife to choose to eat today, which would she choose? And 301 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:56.519 the man would say chocolate. Now, that's because he knows that individual. 302 00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:02.640 And the whole premise of that show was to point out how well they knew 303 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:07.279 each other. And it doesn't dictate. And that doesn't mean that the husband 304 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:11.599 is forcing the woman the wife to eat chocolate ice cream. It's that the 305 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:15.680 man knows her so well through his love for her and attentiveness, that he 306 00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:22.319 knows that she would choose ice cream. That in no way forces her choice. 307 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.559 So God's foreknowledge doesn't force the choice of the individual. He simply, 308 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:32.039 and I say simply, because he's God. He simply knows what choice will 309 00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:37.240 be made by the individual. But that doesn't mean that the choices or the 310 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.960 availability of those choices aren't there for everyone. Of course they are. But 311 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:47.400 if you don't like vanilla, and you'll never eat vanilla no matter what, 312 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:52.240 then vanilla really isn't even a choice. To you only the chocolate is or 313 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:57.160 anything that's not vanilla. So there are individuals that will reject God no matter 314 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:02.039 what. They just don't want to know God. They don't want to be 315 00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.880 accountable to God here. They certainly don't want to be with God in heaven 316 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:10.039 for eternity, which is what heaven is. Everyone thinks, well, heaven 317 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:11.480 is this great reward. It's like, oh, we get to go to 318 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:15.319 heaven and we're going to have fast cars and we're going to be able to 319 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.160 eat all the ice cream we want. And that's not what heaven is. 320 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:23.279 Heaven is being in the presence of God and worshiping God. And if you 321 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:26.599 don't want to do that here on earth, God allows people not to do 322 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:32.759 it. So it comes back to the fact that if God knows what your 323 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:37.599 choice will be, it has no way an effect on what your choice is. 324 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:41.640 It doesn't mean that God forced the choice. He just knows what your 325 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.119 choice is going to be. Now, as far as the elect it depends 326 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:52.119 on the definition of elect Some people feel that the election is not done on 327 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:57.200 God's end. God wishes everyone, God desires everyone to be saved. The 328 00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:02.599 blood and the cross is there everyone. You're correct, across the board. 329 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.119 But there are those that will receive, and there are those that won't. 330 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.680 And the ones that receive are the elect because they will receive, not because 331 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:19.480 they are somehow separated from everyone else by God. And therefore God is playing 332 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:23.000 a game with everyone and saying, well, you know, it's impossible for 333 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.359 you to win this game, but you're gonna play it anyways. It's not 334 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.279 like that. It's everyone does get a fair chance, although God does know 335 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:36.160 who will receive and who won't, and it's still more valuable to have that 336 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:38.759 option and reject it than it is to not have been created at all. 337 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:45.119 There's no moral value in nothingness, so you can't say, well, why 338 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:49.000 didn't God just create those that would choose him? Then there isn't truly a 339 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:55.440 choice or a value in that process. You have to have the ability to 340 00:28:55.599 --> 00:29:00.359 accept or reject for there to be value in that choice. And just because 341 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:06.920 God knows what you will choose doesn't mean you didn't have that value or didn't 342 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:11.240 have that ability to choose. There's a major major difference between God knowing and 343 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:17.039 God forcing you to make that choice. Do you understand the difference between the 344 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:19.359 two? Yes, yes, I do. Okay, good, good, 345 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:25.119 You're very very welcome. Kf I AM six forty on demand