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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network, the best in paranormal talk radio

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in the UK and around the world. There are more than a thousand musical

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records made around the world every month. Ninety of them are flops, but

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ten percent are not. These are
called hit songs, and how they're made

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is one of the most closely guarded
secrets in the entertainment business today. Join

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us now as Mac and the gang
take a deep dive into the strange world

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of hit music and people who make
it. This is Mac Maloney's Musical X

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Files and now here's Mac. Well. Good evening of one. Welcome to

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Macmoney's Musical X Files here on Distant
Thunder Radio Network. This is my I'm

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woning. Wow, what a show
we have for you tonight. But first

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let me introduce you to the co
conspirators. Girls, you can feel his

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vibe. I hate to do this
in front of you, lost, so

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sit yourself down, kitchen, catch
your big box of cleaning said big box

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of wipes. You squeegee in,
you lou because he's here of the very

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famous one one. Hello everyone,
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, all ships

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at sea, Welcome to the show. Glad to be here, Mac,

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as always, I live for this. You know, we all know I'll

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have nothing else to do. How's
the weather. The weather's been beautiful lately.

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Yeah, it hit something like eighty
six. Maybe we don't know what

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that is in centigrade. I don't
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Maybe let me see thirty. If
the quick way is doubles thirty, make

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it sixty, then add twenty eight
ten. That's that's simple. We're doing

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a musical special tonight about drummers.
Okay, drummers, the joke out of

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the way. We all have our
favorite drummers and not so favorite drummers.

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So that's the topic tonight. So
one one is here also joining us,

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also in England is a good friend, Martin Fitzgibbon. How are you,

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Martin. I'm great, Thanks guys, pleasure to be here. Nice to

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join. We had a lot of
fun last time you were on we did.

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You were the first drummer for the
Rocky Horror Picture Show when it was

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playing to audiences of fifty or so
right before it blew up. Yeah,

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sixty three in total. You under
sold us there a little bit, sixty

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three seats. It was the very
first venue, but it played that and

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actually the anniversary, the fifty first
anniversary of the show was this week.

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Wow, amazing, the nineteenth nineteenth
of June. Yeah, nice. Did

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you ever think it was going to
become what it became? Did you have

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any notion back then? We knew
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and after the first, the first
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of that. But nobody, i
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fifty plus years or even thirty years. It's just just inconceivable. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's going well, cut
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important. Thanks for joining us today, mine, pleasure. Good to see

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you, Barton. Also with us
down there in Fort Lauderdale is a famous

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musician, Rich Kennedy. Rich,
how you doing? Okay, I'm famous?

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Well, who says you're not well? In Fort Lauderdale? Everyone knows,

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right, that's right? Yeah,
yep. So you want to briefly

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describe what Kaver is. You have
three kava bars. Just can give yourself

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a plug for Carver this. Listen
up, this is actually pretty good.

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Oh. Fifteenth year of business.
We serve Cavo, which is a Pacific

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beverage it's a mood elevator, muscle
relax or anti stress, anti anxiety,

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all natural, chill you at natural
natural, no alcohol. This makes you

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feel good. Yes, and that's
uh. We're down into two locations.

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Now it's the competitions getting ferious here. This is in the first open there

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were maybe three kava bars in Florida. Now there's thirty in my county.

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Really, yeah, it's but you're
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original gangster, the original in Power
County. For sure. It's actually pretty

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good. I've had some a's kind
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put like coffee mate or something in
it, it's it's not bad. And

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you know, you get this nice
little buzz going to the truth. Yeah,

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it's a good alternative. A lot
of people recovery like it, so

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that's recovery recovery. Yeah. And
also when we went down there, there's

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a few years go, Now,
do you still have comedy night? No,

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Because we would go down there and
and he would say, this is

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how it's going to go. It's
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who get stoned and forget their jokes, okay, and the other half won't

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be funny. And that was the
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what happened. People that, yeah, one of the things comedians would always

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say, but it's got a horrible
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and they go, that was funny. That whyet ended? It was like

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I heard that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like that.

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You remember the one person who told
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yeah, we punch and actually we
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had a gun, he's going to
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he got fired and instead of telling
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reanted about what a what an asshole
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it to get funny because it was
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it was just the exit. But
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funniest, the funniest person the reas. Yeah, it was just a a

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therapy session for people. You know
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person we saw was that high school
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out and he said, I got
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know what, the stupidest song on
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Chicago, right and he goes through
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of these lyrics, you know,
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been. It might have been the
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the fourth of July? Is that
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give that answer when someone said when
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hey, when'd you get stabbed?
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not know it was today? Well, let me see what year was?

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It was really funny, it was
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kid. Here's the high school binish
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teacher, his wife, and you
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all right, So anyway, well
I haven't introduced Lois. Oh my god,

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I'm going to take a you you
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he too. I'm going to take
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it very rare apparence. I don't
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is the very lowly lowest lane double. How are you? I'm great,

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thank you, thank you for having
me. Hi everybody. She's drinking a

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drink coke. Yeah, this is
water, not Carver. So we're all

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here and as I said, to
musical like styles, and we're going to

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be talking about drummers tonight, but
we thought we would start off with some

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rock and roll drummer trivia. Okay, so, uh, I have a

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funny story, you have a story, a little opening, Go ahead,

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please, I want to hear the
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Okay, So, especially if it's
trim lois it's well it is. This

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is a drummer story. A fan
wrote a letter and addressed it to the

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best drummer in the world. The
letter arrived at Jean Krooper's house, but

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he said, Melissa isn't for me, so he sent it to Bill Bruford.

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Brufford thought, I know who this
is really for and sent it to

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Buddy Rich. Buddy Rich. Buddy
Rich thought finally, and he ripped it

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open and read the first two words, which were dear Ringo, good way

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to get off Ringo? The most
underrated drummer? Or was he rated?

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Pretty much where he was? I
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rated. He's considered one of the
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music back then. You know,
brought a lot to those songs, no

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doubt about it. I think a
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was just in this and Ringo isn't
that good. So he threw him out,

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threw him out in the store,
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yeah, Ringo is the if you
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what they do is they take off
Ringo's drums, leave everything else in and

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then they just have like some regular
guy just play through it and it's it's

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you know what I mean, it
sounds flat, it's not exciting. You

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know, a regular like good drummer
play through it who's familiar with the song,

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and it sounded yeah, yeah,
you know, but interesting. He

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added stuff to it, a lot
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of you know, fills the right
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the life and stuff. You know, that's really kind of rain unbelievable,

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you know, I mean, the
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to just going to be in the
background. So anyway, we have some

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rock drummer trivia. Okay, were
ready you forget this stuff? Okay?

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Yeah, me either. I don't
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Okay, here we go, see, okay we go? Wow?

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Oh good one that you're gonna it's
question number one? Is this friend zone?

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Oh that's so funny. Jimmy Nichols. He filled in for like eleven

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days. Okay, don't give it
away, there we go ready. In

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June of nineteen sixty four, the
Beatles began a world tour which would bring

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them from Scandinavia to Australia. However, ring got tonso light and had to

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stay behind in England to get treated. His replacement for eight shows on the

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tour was a session drummer named Jimmy
Nickel, who had been recommended highly by

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Beatles producer George Martin. Of all
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why didn't Nickel get the gig?
Okay? Okay? A. He

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grew up with Ringo B. He
played in a cover band that recorded knockoff

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versions of Beatles songs CEE. He
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the Dave Clock five D. The
previous year. He had been named best

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New Jazz Drummer by New Music Express. Let me just I'll give you the

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traces one more time. A.
He grew up with Ringo B. He

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played in a cover band that recorded
knockoff versions of Beatles songs. See.

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He had previously filled in for Dave
Clock of the Dave Clock five D.

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The previous year, he'd been named
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Got a Richie first, I think
it's the Dave Clark Hey, he

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had filled in for Dave Clark.
All right, Mattin, what do you

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say I'm gonna go with with Richie? Yeah, I think it's I think

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it's c. Dave Clark filled in
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A. I think he knew Ringo. He grew up with Ringo one one.

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I'm gonna really go out in the
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Okay, New Music he was named
best in Jazz Dramma. Yeah.

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I don't know if that's a fun
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say those are good crewds. Well
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Answeres b Nicol was a session drama
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album label that recorded cover versions of
Beatles songs and released them at half the

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price of Beatle records. This meant
Nickle, this man's nicol already knew all

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the Beatles songs in their arrangements.
He didn't have to be taught. And

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wait, he had just done a
session with the guy Tommy quickly was that

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some British guy years ago? Something? Quickly? He had just done a

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session with Doreg Martin and that's how
we saw him. Yeah, okay,

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number two everyone zero for everyone,
honey, I mean lowis Okay, here

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we go number two. Stuart Copeland, drummer for the Police, had a

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very famous father a few people know
about. Copeland credits his father's job with

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exposing him to world music influences,
which helped create his unique drumming style.

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What was Stuart Copeland's father famous for? Okay, okay. A. He

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worked for the United Nations B.
He was a founding member of the CIA.

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C. He was part of a
family. He was part of a

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family vaudeville act that toured the world
for three decades. D. He was

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the conductor of the London World Symphony
AUGUSTA. Okay. Why was he famous?

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A? He worked at the u
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I A. C part of a
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for three decades. D he was
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AUGUSTA. Let's get to lowest.
Wow, Okay, I have zero idea.

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I'm just going to go with D
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do with music. One one.
What was D? That was the he

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was the orchestra. He was conductor
of the London World Symphony. AUGUSTA.

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Yeah, it's gotta be something cool
like that, okay, Martin, Yeah,

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the answer is definitely D. I'd
like it to be C. That

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would be that would be good fun. But yeah, he was Richie,

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sorry rich C I A. That
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is right? Oh really? Uh. Copeland's father, Miles Copeland Junior,

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was one of the first intelligence officers
hired by the CIA, and he was

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the first CIA agent assigned to the
Middle East. His most the police.

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Yeah, yeah, is that really
true? Did you? Yeah? He

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had some kind of connection, like
not. His most infamous mission was helping

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to overthrow the government of Iran in
nineteen fifty three, which led to the

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rise of tyrannical tyrannical dictator the Shah
of Iran, who in turn was overthrown

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by the religious maniacs who run the
country. Now, fun fact this I

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didn't know. Stuart's Stuart Copeland's brother, Miles Copeland third was the manager for

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the police and his brother Ian Copland
was their booking agent. So their family

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kind of ran the band, which
is kind of interesting, I think pretty

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amazing. Yeah, Miles went through
CIA training and he was gonna join it,

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and then he started managing the band. Yeah, yeah, he Yeah.

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The father was in with uh mattin. You probably heard of Kim philby

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Kim philby the famous British guy who
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go? Oh no, where's Martin? Brusia Intelligence just get rid of him.

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He was about to reveal something.
Wow, he was, Yeah exactly,

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and there you go or cut off. You just got canceled. It's

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it's a conspiracy. Thought back though, and then we'll go back to it.

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Sure he'll come back. He was, he was in. He worked

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for the OSS during World War Two. This is the father. And then

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when they started the CIA in forty
seven, he was one of the first

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people they hired and he was the
first agent in the Middle East. He

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was in bay Ruth. That's where
Stuart Copeland grew up in Cairo and bay

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Ruth, and you know that's where
he says he got all kinds of you

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know, the different you know,
Arabic drumming and all that stuff. You

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know. Yeah, see, I
didn't even know he was American. He's

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American, and the two other guys
of British. But he lived, but

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he went to live in England.
One the father mind and you're back with

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us. Yeah, it's the heat. Sorry, guys, I thought it

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was just for some reason, I
thought it was M I five, M

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I six, you're pulling you off
the air. We were talking about Kim

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Philbery, which is he was a
British spy who was Yeah, it could

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be g c h Q, which
is the Spy Center is not too far

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away from here. Who is Kim? He was a British spy was he

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was in the British government and he
and five other people turned out to be

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Russian spies during World War Two?
Right? Is that it the elevator pitch

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Mountain. Yeah, there was Philby, Burgess and MacLean with the three kind

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of famous spy figures and there was
another guy who was vaguely distantly related to

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the royal family. I think he
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family's picture collection or something like that. Jesus and he was involved, So

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you know they're everywhere. Yeah,
as has just been proved that the sustas

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already and knocked me out out of
the meeting, So okay, here we

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go fifth time. Keith Moon was
the drummer for The Who from nineteen sixty

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four until his death in seventy eight. He was known as much for his

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rocky antics as his unique drumming style. These antics included taking a helicopter from

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his estate to his local pub,
even though the distance is only one eighth

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of a mile, playing jen in
Dean Songs twenty four hours a day for

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months on end, and moving into
Alice Cooper's house uninvited, where he dressed

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up as a French maid and cleaned
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That sounds crazy, well, he
was a crazy guy. Moon is

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also credited with coming up for the
name Moon is also credited with coming up

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with the name of one of the
most famous bands in rock history. Who

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was the band led Zeppelin, the
roly Stones cream or you two Lois Cream

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one wound you two, Martin you
two Richie led Zeppelin. Richie's right,

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it must be that kind of this
answer. Bok, it's going to go

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over like a lead balloon. Right, led Zeppelin came up with Zeppelin in

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nineteen sixty six. It was new
yard Birds. Right, Sorry, I'm

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getting too ahead of my houself.
That's good. One that said that it

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was going to go over like a
balloon. In nineteen sixty six, Moon

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briefly considered leaving. In nineteen sixty
six, Moon briefly considered leaving the Who

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and starting a super group with session
guitarist Jimmy Page and Who bassist John in

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Twistle. The musicians had a meeting
during which Moon said his idea went over

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like a led Zeppelin. Paige remembered
the comment and used the team in his

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own supergroup two years later. Okay, okay, number four, So the

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score is go ahead, Richie.
To one's keeping track. Everybody has zero

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except for to who has two points. Richie. Number four was the helicopter

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story, true, Yes, yep, he take a helicopter. He had

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it. There was a plub break
down. The clown of the street and

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he take a helicopter to it,
and he did a lot of stuff that

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you know wasn't as funny, But
all right, let's go on number four.

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I spent a last weekend with Keith
Moon weekend. Really, you got

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to hear that story. You and
Keith Moon on the last weekend. What

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do you remember? Well, Keith
came to see the Rocky Horror Show and

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for the first time, and he
came backstage afterwards because the bass player in

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the band was a guy called Dennis
Cowen, and Dennis had been in the

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Bonzo Dog. Whether anybody remembers the
Donze Bonzered old band in the States,

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the guys, yes, yeah,
we heard of that. So I ended

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up naked on the couch and that
was it question for Hal Blaine was the

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drummer for the famed group of session
musicians from the sixties and seventies known as

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the Wrecking Crew. He's among the
most recruited drummers in music history, with

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thirty five thousand sessions and six thousand
singles. Constantly performing on the road,

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he would bring a rubber stamp and
ink with him and mock every venue he

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played in, usually in very high
define places. These rubber stamps are still

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being found today. What was the
saying how Blaine used on the stamp that

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he put on these venues? What
was the saying hal Blaine used to stamp

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on these venues? Okay, you
got the story. Yep, he marked

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his story. Okay, Number A, don't blame me. I'm the drummer

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B property of hal Blaine Charity Fund. See hal Blaine strikes again. D

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I'll be back, oh Lois,
I'm gonna go with Wow, I feel

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like I should know this. I'll
be back. I'll be back, Richie.

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I guess what was it? The
second one property of hal Blaine Charity

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Fund. No, the other one
after just just his name, right,

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yeah, hal Blaine. Hal Blaine
strikes again. Yeah, probably that.

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Yeah, I'll go with that too. Hal Blaine strikes Martin. That sounds

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clever for him, Martin. I'll
go with whatever says okay with him.

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The answer is hang on, hang
on, it's not here for some reason.

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Yeah. Literally, the answers in
here. But the answer is hal

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Blaine strikes again. And what he
did was he just said this quirk where

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he played on so many songs and
any kind anytime they gave him the shots,

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he would just put a brother stamp
on it, hal Blaine with his

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name, then it's not hal Blaine
strikes again. And then he just started

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bringing in on the road with them, and wherever he would go he'd find,

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he'd find some out of the way
place and stamp it. So Springsteen

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tells the story. He was in
some venue, I think it was in

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New Jersey and he says they were
like renovating the you know, the the

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backstage when he was there, his
dressing room. And he says he was

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there when they took down a wall, and there on the original wall it

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says, hal Blaine strikes again.
So and they found them. Who's the

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name of that band? Uh a
Speed? They were playing at the Hampton

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Casino about four years ago and someone
said, hey, look at this,

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and there's a rubbers stamp hal Blaine
strikes again. So nice. Yeah,

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I read about that, and so
I said, hey, what the hell?

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So I wrote to hal Blaine's fan
club, believe it or not,

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and his son in law answered me, and I said, if I sent

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you some index gods, would you
have hal stamp his stamp on it?

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Right? And he said, yeah, So I sent a but then he

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says, he says, but send
the ink pad to he might not have

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an ink pad. He was probably
ninety at this point and he lived in

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Hawaii. So I sent it to
him, and no. Three or four

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weeks later, a bunch of Index
gods come back. He signed them and

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then he stamped them, which is
cool. And again I said, wow,

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this is great. And then about
two days later, I go back

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down the post office an any meal
back the inkpad. He was so everybody

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got that except me. He was
on one hundred and fifty gold records and

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forty top singles, forty top.
Even the Beatles had like twenty one number

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one singles. He was on forty
number one singles. Wow. Yeah,

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I mean he's just played all different
kind of styles, you know, like

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there's the guy from some band said, yeah, I didn't realize that,

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but Hal Blaine is like my ten
top favorite drummers, you know what I

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mean, because he played on everything, but played differently. Well. Blaine

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was trying to give Jim Gordon a
leg up every so often. He was

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trying to help him out. Yeah, right, up and up and coming

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guy. Yeah. I think they
liked each other. That's how Sonny and

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she had got the start hanging around
that studio. Ye I think him and

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Tammoorine or whatever. Okay, okay, Nutty, yeah, yeah, right,

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yeah, here we go. All
right, Okay, so everybody got

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a point. Everyone got that.
So let's see. Now it's three for

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Ritchie, one for one, one
for Martin, zero for me. Well,

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this is how you know that he
doesn't share the answers with me.

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Okay, here we go. When
a recent survey magazine Survey asked who is

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the worst rock drummer of the sixties
and seventies, Dave Clock with the Dave

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Clock five one in the Landslide.
This is ironic, to say the least,

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because Dave Clark carried the secret with
him for years. That would turn

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that opinion on its head. What
was Dave Clock's secret. A he had

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a degree in percussion from the London
School of Music. B. He created

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and built his entire drum set by
hand. C. He was one of

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Freddie Mercury's lovers. D. He
never played drums on any of the Dave

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Clock five hits. Okay. A. He had a degree in percussion from

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the London School of Music. B. He created and built an entire drum

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set by his hand. See he
was one of Freddie Mercury's lovers. D

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He never played drums on any of
the Dave clock five hits. Lois,

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Oh boy, why do you start
with me? I'm going to say,

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since they're saying he's a bad drummer, let's do B Because if he built

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the drums himself, maybe that's why
he was there was a bad drummer,

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Martin. Go ahead, Martin,
for sure be he created and built his

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own drum Okay, Oh wait,
wait, mart what you say? Not

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that one? I say? He
didn't play on any of these? Okay,

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he never played drums on any of
their hits. Okay, everyone to

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get one going? D? Should
I Can I change my answer? Go

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ahead, I'm going to change D. I'm losing answer is D. He

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never played drums on any of the
Dave clock five hits, although Dave Clark

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played the Ben's live performances. Udio
drummer Bobby Graham played on all the DC

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five records, something that was not
revealed for many years afterwards. In other

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words, this is with Weirpot the
worst drummer of the sixties and seventies.

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Was a session guy. Do you
know what I mean? Didn't that makes

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sense? I thought Jimmy Nichols played
on all of he actually uh paum conn.

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He felt so bad for Jimmy Nichol
that he set him up. He

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was in Peter and Gordon's touring band
for a long time. There goes Okay,

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here we go, fun facts ready. David Clark was the Yeah.

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Dave Clarke was the first rock musician
to retain the rights to all his music,

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becoming a multi millionaire in the process. He was also the manager and

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the producer for the band, so
he was the first guy to asked for

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his original master tapes back and he
got them. Okay. But he was

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also a close friend of Freddie Mercury
and was at his bedside when the lead

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singophon Queen passed away. So he
was. But he also wrote a play

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that ran in London for like three
or four years. Okay, this is

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Dave Clark. It's I think it's
called Fame a Burne or something. They

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said like four number one singles came
out of it. Stevie Wonder was in

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it, David Cassidy was in it. I guess it just didn't so anyway,

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Well, that's the trivia part of
the show. Why don't we clap?

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Why don't we We're going to clap
the aquoad for ourselves. I'm going

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to say this is you've done trivia
before and I've never had somebody get you

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know, like so many. Right, Richie got four the five, One

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got two of the five, Martin
got two of the five, and only

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because I stole an answer from everybody
else, I got one at it.

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Yeah, you're on the school aboard, that's all. You might have to

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invite him back for a rematch with
somebody sometimes and this Connor, Okay,

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so when do we do this?
Why don't we take a rush break down?

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And we'll be right back after this. You're listening to Mac Maloney's musical

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X File show here on the Distant
Thunder Radio Network. We'll be right back

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after this. And now the further
adventures of Al Ferrari, star of Max's

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new book How to Dump a Body
at Sea and Not Get Caught Mac malone

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Show. This is Lois, Hello, Lois al Ferrari, give me Mac.

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I'm sorry, Al. He's doing
his court ordered CST at the moment,

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CST. What's that a time zone
cat sensitivity training, you know,

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after the incident. Can I help
you? Well, look, I just

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heard from Amazon that Max's new book, How to Dump a Body at Sea

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and knut Get Caught is selling like
hotcakes with lots of syrup. Right now,

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I'm touring to you know, promote
the book, calling from Vegas.

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Well, that's great to hear.
Did they tell you why people like it

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so much? Well, one guy
said, I must have been a pretty

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smart, juvenile delinquent. Somebody was
amazed how I turned to Toyota into a

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Rolls Royce. Somebody else said it
was cool that I ripped off seas.

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Somebody was shocked that the mob was
pissed off of me because of one lousy

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day old plum, one little plum. And that's all in the book,

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you know it. There's also,
you know, particular advice like how to

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torch a car and how to make
lots of money in prison, which I

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did, though it might have gotten
me killed. Also dangerous making friends with

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this iconic parrot, which ain't exactly
easy. I'm bad. So anyway,

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I'm on this book tour and I'm
at a place called the Kitten Ranch just

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outside of Vegas. I swear.
I thought it was a place where they

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raised kittens. Oh my gosh.
So when they found out who I was,

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like a big celebrity or something,
they asked me if I wanted to

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be part of a movie about cats. You're adorable, sweetie. Now they

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wanted me to make a movie with
what they call a quote unquote tasteful nude

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scene. Oh my gosh, Al, is that even possible? I don't

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know. I passed out right after
the yell action. And now they want

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five hundred bucks. I have to
wash dishes for a month here. You

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don't want to know what the kitchen
is like in a cat house. Oh

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so it is a place where they
raise cats. Shot have back, Give

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me a call, sweetheart. Remember
remind everybody to check out Max's new book,

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How to Dump a Body at Sea
and not get caught. Starting me

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Al Ferrari my iam is on dot
com. Welcome back everyone to Mac Maloney's

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00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,839
musical exiles here on the Distant Thunder
Radio. Not worry, this is Mac

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00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,759
Maloney. Wow, what the show
we have for you tonight. First off,

412
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,119
let me introduce the members of the
Plastic Girls. He's here, pretty

413
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,759
famous. One one go back,
everybody, Wow, I'm here, don't

414
00:32:54,759 --> 00:33:00,279
worry all right. Good. Also
with us in the studio is the lovely

415
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:04,359
Lewis Lenane. Hi, everybody,
it's good to be here. Also calling

416
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,160
in from England, I think on
the Welsh border is a good friend,

417
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,559
Martin fitz Gibbon. How are you, Martin? I'm good, Hi,

418
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:16,119
guys, nice to be And down
there in Fort Laudadale is our other good

419
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:22,319
friend, rich Kennedy, Richie,
how are you doing hey? Now tonight

420
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:28,200
we're talking about rock drummers, all
things drummers, and I think Lois you

421
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,720
have some fun facts about drummers,
right, I do have some fun facts.

422
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:37,039
So this first one is in the
early nineteen seventies, Emerson, Lake

423
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:42,759
and Palmer were about to undertake a
world tour. Each band member would be

424
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:49,880
sponsored by a British company. Palmer
sponsored was British Steel, telling Palmer they

425
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,319
wanted to build him a drum made
of steel. He was asked how thick

426
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:59,000
should the drums be. Palmer said
he just picked a number out of the

427
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,839
air and told them one half inch
thick. Palmer did not see the drum

428
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,760
kit until the band was about to
go on the road. Only then did

429
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:15,599
he discover the drum kit weighed two
point five tons and a half tons.

430
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:21,199
Because of the half inch thick steel
drums, the group had no choice but

431
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,039
to hold the thing around with them
for months. It also required Palmer's drum

432
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:30,559
riser to be strengthened, and in
some cases the stage itself had to be

433
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:35,840
reinforced because of the weight. It
took three roadies just to move the bass

434
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,800
drum. Ringo Star later bought the
drum set and it's currently in storage at

435
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,920
his estate. Ringo bought it.
If you can believe it. The thing

436
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:47,639
weighed two and a half tons,
right, and they had to send advanced

437
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:52,400
people to make sure that the stage
could handle the weight of the How much

438
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,599
as a regular drum set? Does
it weigh one hundred and fifty pounds?

439
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:01,440
Not even an maybe the dand yeah, yeah, two and a half tons,

440
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,440
two and a half times, And
he said, I just pulled out

441
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,920
of the year. He says,
how do I know? How do I

442
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,559
know? How thick it is?
But when you think that's a half inch

443
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:15,159
of steel around everything around everything,
go ahead? Played they sounded though?

444
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:21,119
Did they sounded? Fun? Facts? Yeah? I don't know, yeah,

445
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:30,599
yeah, okay, drummer Pat Mastello
has the distinction of playing with two

446
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:35,280
wildly opposite hit bands. In the
nineteen eighties, he was the drummer for

447
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,960
Mister Mister. Then he moved to
England and became the drummer for XTC.

448
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:44,800
That's strange. Can you think of
two bands that were so opposite? Now?

449
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,440
I wonder if Ritchie already knows this. He's also played on records by

450
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:53,000
King Crimson, which he's a big
King Crimson fan, The Stickman, and

451
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:58,840
the Rembrandts. Who did the theme
song for the Friends TV show I'll be

452
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,599
there for you? There's a trivia
question? Who did the song for the

453
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:06,159
Friends show? Which I never watched? Well, the Friends. Everybody who

454
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,880
watched Friends would know that. Imagine
the residuals from that anyway, Okay,

455
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:15,800
go on, please fun facts about
drummers. Lois isn't his name pronounced Massdalletto?

456
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,119
Oh? What did I say mass
to letter? And who's the King

457
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:23,880
Crimson fan? Rich Richie? Really? I'm a huge King Crimson fan.

458
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:30,719
Really? Yeah, I really preferred
the Great Lake first two albums. Yeah,

459
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:39,559
that's the first record to the Crimson
King and had music next lowest?

460
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:44,639
Please fun facts, all drum good
stuff, Okay, I have a that

461
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,760
you were talking about hal Blaine earlier. Hal Blaine is also credited with popularizing

462
00:36:51,000 --> 00:37:04,000
the disco beat after he recorded shup
shoo that does not look like shoboob after

463
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:13,400
he recorded uh shoboop sound by opening
and closing the high hat at appropriate intervals

464
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:20,000
on Johnny Rivers or Side of Town. The effect had been wild and wildly

465
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,800
used in jazz, but professional recording
engineers disliked it because of its resemblance to

466
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,280
white noise. So what he's saying
is that he's he's raising and he's lowering.

467
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,920
What do you call it the high
hat? Yeah, you can hear

468
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,119
it, and there's there's like a
space in there that sounds kind of like

469
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:43,960
white noise or static or whatever.
But it became very popular and it was

470
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,599
like the It was literally the beat
of the disco era. And I think

471
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:52,920
he did it on by mistake or
something too interesting. Do we have anymore?

472
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,920
They lost? Uh? Just one
more little tidbit. In a more

473
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:05,320
recent poll, who was the worst
drummer of the modern rock eerror? Is

474
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,960
it you know we should do before
we give the insult, let's go around

475
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:15,039
the horn. Who do you think
is the worst drummer of the modern rock

476
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:17,320
era. And I'm saying I'm gonna
say that's from the eighties to the present.

477
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:29,039
Okay, one one worst drummer.
Jeez, to me, it's drummers

478
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:32,159
that I can't hear. Okay,
And like every time I listen to Pink

479
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,679
Floyd, I really can't hear any
drumming. Yeah, they say, not

480
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,079
that I care about it, but
yeah, I'll have to say. People

481
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:44,760
Mason pops into my head because they
never hear any drumming. And you know

482
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:57,920
Rich Rich Uh, Tommy Lee,
Tommy Lane from Martin least favorite drummer,

483
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:07,280
least favorite, the worst. I
have absolutely no idea is there music in

484
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,760
the nineteen eighties? Don't the computer? The light was the name of that,

485
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:22,119
the Fairlight. So I'm I have
absolutely no idea. I was.

486
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,159
I was with the day clock answer, that's absolutely great, but that would

487
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:30,000
have been the nineteen sixties. Okay, So I wait with anticipation to see

488
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,960
what see what the answer is.
To end the anticipation. Don Henley of

489
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:44,639
the Eagles and Lars Ulwark of Metallica
tied for number one. First, he's

490
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:50,679
the most annoying. Yeah. Now
here's the thing too, Why is he

491
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,519
so annoying? What is wrong with
that? He's just saying he's annoying.

492
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:58,960
Guy, he just wants to be
while you're in a band, man.

493
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,719
You know, I relaxed. But
you know what they did. They caught

494
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:09,639
the Eagles Don Henley lip singing in
their concerts, which is very strange,

495
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:15,960
just in the past six months that
I don't understand because they're known for their

496
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,360
harmonies, you know, even more
for their musicianship. Really and uh,

497
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,760
yeah, they caught him and the
way they condum was funny because people go

498
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,079
around and they record all their concerts
like the Grateful Dead people. And then

499
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:38,960
once people got a word of this
lois what do you ribbon lettuce over there?

500
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,800
Oh, they started matching it up. They started syncing it up with

501
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:51,719
past concerts and it's and it all, it's it sunk up perfectly. So

502
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,360
you know that's I don't know.
I don't really like him. He's going

503
00:40:54,440 --> 00:41:00,960
after all these little YouTube people who
record Eagle songs. He's going after them.

504
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,280
He's going after them. Yeah.
One guy made sixty bucks on a

505
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:08,239
on YouTube, which I guess is
a lot of money for some live performance

506
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,239
of an Eagle song. And Don
Henley's lawyers went after him and brought him

507
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,480
to court. Yeah for sixty bucks. Yes, yeah, he's the big

508
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,000
he's big into that. Yeah.
I mean I don't know where it goes

509
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,440
people. Yeah for literally for pennies. I know they want to protect their

510
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,800
YouTube. Yeah oh yeah, yeah
all the time. Yep. Yeah.

511
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,800
He complains about the Eagles a lot
because he's like, you know, I'd

512
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,760
love to do some some lessons on
their music because he just does like guitar

513
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,840
stuff, and like he goes every
time I try, they just they just

514
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,760
you know, strike it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know those

515
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:53,119
guys are And I read that book
by Don Felder, it's called Heaven and

516
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:59,920
Hell or whatever, and being in
the Eagles, man, it was just

517
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,000
it was torture. I mean,
you're a rock star. You're getting everything.

518
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,039
You're getting money, you're getting girls, getting coke, you're getting the

519
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,039
works. But he said it was
horrible. Every day him and Randy Meisner

520
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:15,639
would go in literally to work and
deal with these two assholes, Don Henley

521
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:19,079
and the other guy who's the other
guy. He's now passed away. His

522
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:23,599
son plays in the band though,
and they were just mean to the other

523
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:29,440
players because they were jealous. They
always thought these guys are going to take

524
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,440
over opposition. They were like the
Lennon and McCartney of the band. And

525
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:36,760
meanwhile the other guys are saying,
that's the last place I want to be,

526
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,599
That's the last thing I want to
be. Is like one of these

527
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:44,440
guys, you know. But yeah, it was kind of a sad story

528
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,320
as it turns out, heaven and
hell. But Don Fielder and the funny

529
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,079
thing about him was he's working in
a music store in Florida and a guy

530
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:52,239
walks in. He says, can
I take a tole lessons from you?

531
00:42:52,960 --> 00:43:00,719
And it was Tom Petty and then
it kind of happened again. No,

532
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:05,079
he was he was playing with his
own band in might have been around what

533
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,000
Lada deal whatever, And the opening
band was a band called the Almond Joys

534
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:13,599
and they were the Almond Brothers,
you know. And he also he also

535
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:15,719
met Steve Stills along the way.
So it's kind of funny we talk about

536
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,960
how musicians for some reason, these
guys they cross paths, you know all

537
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,480
the time, you know. And
and so it says, well, because

538
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:29,039
it's such a small fraternity, so
hey Martin, listen, we might cut

539
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,840
you off with your story about Keith
Moon, you had a wild I was

540
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:38,280
driving up the King's Road in Chelsea
and Keith there was this kind of commotion

541
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,960
going up in front of me.
I didn't know what was going on,

542
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:49,039
but Keith was throwing stones at the
cars as they were going past. Yeah,

543
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,679
yeah, that was Keith. He
was on something. Yeah when he

544
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,280
was when he you know, when
he was sober, he was the nicest

545
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:00,599
guy in the world. I always
say that. But you know, if

546
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:06,199
he was on something, then he
could be multiple personalities. When you were

547
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,760
sobering, you could let him babysit
your kids. Yeah, maybe, okay,

548
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,599
you daughter. You know the way
that he met the who was they

549
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:22,280
were playing I think their name at
the time was the Highlights or something and

550
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:25,800
the high numbers right, and he
saw them and they had another drummer,

551
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,159
and after the show he walked up
to them and said, I'm a better

552
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,920
drummer than this guy. You know, you should have me in the band,

553
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:37,199
right, And that's the famous story. But Pete Townsend tells the story.

554
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:40,239
He says, when he approached them, he was completely dressed in ginger.

555
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:45,760
He had like you know when ginger
Suko thie Vest works boots he had

556
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,119
he had died as he had ginger. Okay, so it's just like this

557
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,159
freaking guy who and they said okay, and he got behind the drum set

558
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:58,360
bubbah blah and they said okay,
you're in, and they fired the guy

559
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:00,599
and it's it's it's kind of like
it's kind of like the Beatles story all

560
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:04,480
over again, you know, where
they're okay, things are going on,

561
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:08,119
but they just needed that one last
piece of the puzzle. Ringo was there

562
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:14,480
beetles and the moon was this.
He had twenty two drums at its height,

563
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:17,480
He had twenty two drums in his
set, and his lady said,

564
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:23,480
there's so many drums, so he
won't miss one. And he never kept

565
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,039
the He never really kept the beat. What he was what he would do

566
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:30,920
is just well he kept the beat, but he would put fills in almost

567
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,360
everywhere. That was this thing.
He would just put fills in in odd

568
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,519
places. You know. He used
to drive the bassist John Enfistle nuts.

569
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:40,719
He says, at first, I
can't work with this guy, but then

570
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,400
he kind of get into it and
they became, you know, four separate

571
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:52,400
pieces of one band, and it
was very successful. Sounds that because yeah.

572
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,119
I mean when when the High Numbers
started, when Keith started playing with

573
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,639
them, he played, if you
like, in a very conventional way,

574
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,039
so he would keep time on the
high hat, and he played the two

575
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:09,000
and four et cetera, et cetera. But there came a point I don't

576
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:15,360
know where it was, but where
it was visually much more exciting and everything

577
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:21,760
else, and he just like would
hit anything, yes, and he kind

578
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,039
of became revered for that in the
end, I suppose. I first,

579
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,280
I first saw The Who on British
TV. I was a school kid and

580
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,679
they came on and you just went, Wow, what a band, because

581
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:38,159
you know, you had Townsend was
doing stuff that I've never seen anybody do

582
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,199
before, even simple things like running
the guitar strings along the mic stands,

583
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:47,800
all that kind of business. And
Keith was doing what Keith was doing,

584
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,400
and John Westl on bass was just
amazing, this kind of incredible bass player.

585
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:57,119
And then I so I thought I
must go and see these guys.

586
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:02,760
So about all night later I went
to which is two weeks in the UK

587
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,760
talk two weeks later I went to
see them and they were in this little

588
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:13,679
kind of not a village hall,
but it was close to that, and

589
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:19,840
they just had this this whole refurbished. And the thing I remember most about

590
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,639
the gig was Keith Townsend putting his
guitar through the ceiling his guitar. Yes,

591
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:30,599
yes, yes, and the guy
was going nuts because but the audience

592
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:32,280
loved it. We all loved it. We thought it was fantastic. They

593
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,039
were different when they hit, they
sounded different, you know, they were

594
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,039
violent almost in a way. Yeah, there's another good book. Well not

595
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:44,519
really. Lois made me stop reading
it halfway through, but it's called Who

596
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:50,960
We Am I the Pete Townsend autobiography
was making you a bit, making me

597
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:55,320
a built nuts or something. He's
not if you can believe this book,

598
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,800
He's not the guy that you think
he is. Like for instance, when

599
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,599
they went to Woodstock Lowess blockyr Rears, I take off you he had never

600
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,239
he was still a virgin. Let's
say he had never had sex with a

601
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:13,400
woman when he was at Woodstock,
not come on, you know the Townsend

602
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,159
Yes, absolutely, and he I
don't know. It got to the point

603
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:21,519
where I got to stop reading this
because first of all, it's ruining my

604
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:24,800
image of this guy. And number
two is just too freaking weird. Just

605
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:30,440
too weird. I mean saying that
he has visions and stuff, and he

606
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:35,400
signed contracts when he you know,
thought he was unsatin and all this stuff.

607
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,079
And you say, well, how
much are you gonna believe in this?

608
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,239
You know? But uh, they
they definitely can't, mostly because of

609
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,880
him. They definitely had that sound. No one sounds like them. You

610
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,360
cannot replicate the Who. You just
can't do it, you know. And

611
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:51,199
they were a great band. They
were a great band, you know.

612
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:54,639
And here's the here's a trivia question. Who's the original league guitar player for

613
00:48:54,679 --> 00:49:01,280
the Who? This is extra points
if you get this one. Okay,

614
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:07,800
I'm thinking Richie, I'll know this
one. I don't know, man,

615
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:13,880
Now the guitar wasn't Roger Daltrey.
Roger Daltrey was the original league guitar player

616
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,599
for them, So apparently he can
he can play the guitars. Yeah,

617
00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:22,039
he's doing a solo twy. That's
not so well if they well, yeah,

618
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:23,679
well Towns had had the thing and
the thing about Towns. And two,

619
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:29,440
he was an odd student and he
was making more money in a week

620
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:32,360
than some of his teachers were making
in a month, you know, like

621
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,000
a senior year in college or something, and they really resented them when they

622
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,800
flunked them and stuff, and but
he's like, yeah, I make more

623
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,760
in a weekend than you do in
a month. And they resented him for

624
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,000
that. But that whole idea of
smashing guitars and going with it, that

625
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:51,679
was that that kind of oddest thing
where you kind of destroy what you've just

626
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,119
made and you know, blah blah
blah. Performance on. Anyway, speaking

627
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:59,559
about the cop of the odd Birds, the Oddbirds did that from time to

628
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:05,119
time to not what do you mean
theybird's smashing the guitars? I know they

629
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,800
did. Yeah, yeah, I'm
not sure blow up, you know,

630
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,840
but how often does you do?
Jeff Beck does it in that film,

631
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,199
but I think he does it just
because of the who I don't know,

632
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,159
I've never seen him doing Andrex did
it. Henderson you don't let his guitar

633
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,719
on fire and so on, but
yeah, Hendrix for sure. Anyway,

634
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:23,920
So listen, why don't we do
this, Why don't we take a quick

635
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,639
break now, and we'll be right
back after this. And you're listening to

636
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,519
Macloney's musical X Files here on the
Distant Thunder Radio Network. My good friend

637
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:36,320
Rich Kennedy is here from Fort Lauderdale. One one is here. Martin fitz

638
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,199
Gibbon is calling in for England on
the Welsh border. Also lovely lowest line,

639
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:45,039
So please listen to these words.
We'll be right back after this.

640
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,000
So until you hear us next time, this is Macawney for the entire gang

641
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:55,320
saying, be safe, be happy
and bye. Okay, the show's over.

642
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,280
Hey, Cobra, where are we
going to eat tonight? Well,

643
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,880
gentlemen, what do you feel like
Chinese? Eat Italian sushi? How about

644
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,760
we go where they have the best
hamburger in the world? And where would

645
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,119
that be? One one only the
Starboard Gally, Starboard Glly. They're a

646
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:12,639
great seafood place. But they're a
newbury Port and we're an Exeterra. But

647
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:15,360
they're only twenty minutes away down Route
ninety five. And believe me, they

648
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:25,199
have the best hamburger in the world. Let's go, okay, boys,

649
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:30,440
license and registration. Where's the fight, you clowns going through the sarcus Bernahri

650
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:32,320
just to get the best hamburger in
the world. And where's that Gally?

651
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,320
That's the Starboard Galley, newburg a
great seafood place. Yes, but they

652
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,400
make a great hamburger too, and
they start with the best piece, super

653
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,639
fresh buns. Three tops. Plus
it's only twenty minutes. If we from

654
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:47,599
next twenty five reportsman that with a
police sys God buddy, light them up,

655
00:51:47,639 --> 00:52:02,119
switchblade, Starboard Galley, they're here. That's the Starbuck gall Like fifty

656
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:07,400
five Water Street, you breakboard,
bray seedfood and the best hamburger in the

657
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:52,320
world, and tell them one one
that you have really welcome back, and

658
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,719
we went to Macimoniy's musical lex files
here on the Distant Thunder Radio Network.

659
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,119
This is Macamaroney. Wow, what
is show we have for you tonight?

660
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:01,440
Very quickly training us tonight the very
famous one one is here. Girls,

661
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:06,679
Hello Michaelo, everybody, welcome back
to the show. Had a great time

662
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,559
so far. This is this is
a fun show. I love these shows.

663
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:15,039
We did most fun anybody can have
on an evening, especially on my

664
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:19,199
time zone. Well, yeah,
where it's already tomorrow. There you go.

665
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,039
Wow, it's a good name for
a book. Well also when your

666
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:28,760
time zone is a good friend.
Martin Fitzgibbon, who is a a drummer

667
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:37,159
from the sixties ever, was talking
about when did you start professionally nineteen sixty

668
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:39,360
five, I was no, sorry, sixty six, I was sixteen years

669
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:45,840
of age and started playing professionally.
Didn't earn very much in the way of

670
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,559
money, but I had a lot
of fun and it was It was a

671
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:53,519
nice card to say professional musician,
was it? So what was your gig?

672
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:59,679
What was the first thing you played? Well, I still played drums,

673
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,320
if that's what you mean. I
mean at your first gig? What

674
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,280
was it? Was it a dance? Was it in a bar or?

675
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:12,519
Oh? Yeah, well we played
a dance and we played really bad versions

676
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:17,360
of motown songs. I have no
idea why we even tried to do that,

677
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:23,559
because you know, like those Motown
guys were were amazing. You've got

678
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:28,239
to have sold yes, yeah,
Benny Benjamin was the drummer or a lot

679
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,760
of those things who was absolutely amazing. So I don't know why we figured

680
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,599
we could do that. But you
know, we were fifteen, sixteen year

681
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:39,320
old, So you feel us,
aren't you. You got paid. You

682
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:45,239
got paid, that's important. Yeah, I mean that's a big plus in

683
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,119
the music business. If you get
paid and you get out with your equipment

684
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:52,360
intact after a few fights take place, then you know, You've had a

685
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:58,559
good night a friend of mine.
So many old clips of bands in it.

686
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:00,199
It's I don't know, was it
the odds versus the rockers? What

687
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,480
was going on with all these spikes
and throwing chairs that happened to rolling stones

688
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:07,679
all the time, right, yeah, yeah, that's a whole differently.

689
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,480
They'd still be playing as best they
could and chairs are flying around, and

690
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,280
then people are running on the on
the stage and he used to pulling them

691
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,800
off, just Keith still playing.
Not Fade Away or something. There's a

692
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,840
film with him. Some guy ran
on the stage and some concert, I

693
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,639
think it was in California, and
he just takes his guitar off and he

694
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,719
hits the guy, smacking the head. He goes, oh, yeah,

695
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,679
I didn't see that. I was
protecting my singer. He says, I

696
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:38,320
had to protect my singer. Yeah, he hits the guy. The guy

697
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:42,199
boom, he's going, you know, one of those strats, so you

698
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,599
know they whatever he was playing.
The heavy guitars are heavy. I had

699
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:50,599
no idea how heavy some of these
guitars were. And I don't know,

700
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:53,039
I knowin can do a double neck
one. That thing must weigh twenty pounds.

701
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:59,639
Rich would you say, yeah,
I mean yeah, he telecaster strats

702
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:04,920
anywhere from seven to That's a lot
to have strung over your shirt every night,

703
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:07,400
night after night, and then you
have to play the freaking thing.

704
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,480
So also with us is a good
friend, Rich Kennedy down there in Fort

705
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:15,159
Laudadell. Rich, thanks for joining
his musician, Rich Kennedy. How you

706
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:21,840
doing Jimmy Hendrix's disciple, would you
say? Is that accurate? Wow?

707
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:25,119
Years ago I listened to him for
two years straight. I think, hmm,

708
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:30,480
okay, you survived that. So, I mean, I don't want

709
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:36,840
to say this, but it was
he overrated in any respect? No,

710
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:42,079
I don't think so. He was
an awesome rhythm player, awesome solo is

711
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,280
awesome songwriter. You know, he
didn't even like his own voice, but

712
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:52,559
you know his voice is good.
And how about how about those two guys

713
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:58,320
playing with them, Mitch Mitchell and
the other guy. Were they any good?

714
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:04,440
I always shut down on No.
He loved Mitch. And then they

715
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:08,440
when they had h what was the
guy, buddy Buddy Miles. Yeah,

716
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:15,760
when they did band the Gypsies.
After that they got Mits mitchelland and they

717
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,360
just had Billy Cox, the bass
player from uh from there, and uh

718
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:27,559
that was supposedly the best version of
the Experience or Jimmy Hendrick group, because

719
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:31,239
you had because Noel wasn't really a
bass player. He was a guitarist.

720
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,519
Okay, yeah, yeah, I
always heard that, you know, they

721
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:37,320
weren't really you know, who they
were supposed to be. But we know

722
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,880
his story, Richie, and I
know his story about what happened those two

723
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:45,519
guys. And it's only because for
a while I was the pr guy for

724
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:51,320
Patrick Maraz who was played in Yeas
and the Moody Blues, and he played

725
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,199
in he played in a band called
the Knights. Okay, now this was

726
00:57:53,880 --> 00:58:00,599
originally Keith Emerson's band. Keith Emerson
left and Maras took over and they had

727
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:02,880
a couple of good, uh you
know, hit records and so on albums.

728
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,679
And then he gets he gets to
drawing, yes, okay, and

729
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:12,079
that's the that's the step up to
the major leagues. So now he hasn't

730
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,960
He has a apartment in London somewhere
that he doesn't need, so he lets

731
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:21,360
no reading. And Mitch Mitchell lived
there, remember the story. We went

732
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,599
out to and they trashed the place, They trashed the place. They had

733
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:30,199
no money they never paid him rent. It cost him money to fix the

734
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:35,199
damage they did to it because they
was so pissed off that they weren't with

735
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,639
Jimmy anymore. Well he was.
He had died, right, he was

736
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:45,920
like over a year and had nothing
to do. Ye, amras is the

737
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,559
nicest guy in the world. Had
to go kick them out, which must

738
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:52,800
have been huge. Yeah. So
anyway, you know, you got to

739
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:58,480
say, was he like, uh
from the Netherlands or from uh Switzerland?

740
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:00,760
Switzerland? Pat? But I just
remember his accent. He's like, come

741
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,079
on, guys, yeah, yeah, yeah, Jimmy's Jimmy's dead. He's

742
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,000
dead. Come on, you have
to move on and get out of here.

743
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:15,079
Nobody comes to see the rhythm section
Jimmy Andrews. Yeah. It's a

744
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:19,280
funny guy. Patrick Murras. Interesting
guy. We knew him for a long

745
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,400
time. They haven't talked to him
in a while. But very unique individual

746
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:28,800
and the best story I ever heard
of him. This is about drummers.

747
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,400
I will tell this real quick.
So he was like his father ran a

748
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,760
concert home in switzerland' zor in Switzerland, so he got to know all these

749
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,880
people. He met Louis Armstrong and
all these people and this is a drags

750
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,760
club. So his father always wanted
him go to business school, but he

751
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,079
wanted to go to music school.
So he says, if you're going to

752
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,280
go to music school, you have
to go work for it. So he

753
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:52,320
took a job on a construction site
in Maratz and he hated the boss.

754
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:57,280
And one day he's wheeling a bucket
of cement like one floor up and he

755
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,599
dumps it on the boss. He
gets fired, so now he's got to

756
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:06,320
go tell his father. He gets
fired. So he and his father are

757
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,000
walking along the street. And in
Switzerland they've had a state lottery, country

758
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:14,760
lottery for years and people sell the
tickets on the street. He buys one

759
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,239
with the last dollar he has,
and the worst day of his life,

760
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,960
telling him his father that he's lost
his job, cannot go to college,

761
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:28,400
and he hits for five hundred thousand
dollars I mean, I mean, you

762
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,559
know. And then two years later
he's recorting for Lamborghini Records and everyone to

763
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:36,880
sign a contract, they gave him
a Lamborghini. He says, I went

764
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,880
to Liamborghini's a potty at the house
and he says, all it was was

765
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:44,440
hundreds of the Laghini's packed up and
down this the mile long driveway. So

766
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,360
yeah, he was. He was
a good guy, nice guy, went

767
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:51,119
through the whole rock thing. A
great player, you know, real kind

768
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:53,800
of class school player. But anyway, yeah, Patrick Moraz not a drummer

769
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:59,000
though, So I'm going to start
with my favorite drummer. Okay, I'm

770
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,960
looking at always Like have I introduced
everyone lost? I don't know. Okay,

771
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:10,719
so the introduced you though, that's
the important Well I'm here, everybody,

772
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:17,880
and I gotta say my favorite drummer. I mean it's actually split between

773
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,880
two. Okay, Bill Ruffort,
who we mentioned earlier in the show,

774
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,280
who it's kind of funny. He's
a jazz drummer who came over to the

775
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,960
rock world, you know, and
he kind of went to the dock side,

776
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,760
but for a band like Gas,
who was very progressive and had a

777
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,199
lot of instruments, a lot of
stuff going on, you know, a

778
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,239
lot of time changes and all that
kind of stuff, and he played in

779
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,599
almost in a simple way. It's
it's it's weird how he did it.

780
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,119
A lot of his thing was just
based on what the snare drum hitting it

781
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:49,760
once every four times, you know, but he just knew what he was

782
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,599
doing in those first years album close
to the edge of the drumming in that

783
01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:58,599
is like unbelievable and fragile as well, and then he went on to more

784
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:01,400
of a jazz guy and stuff like
that. But he's one of my favorite

785
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,519
drummers. And then Jeff Picaro of
Toto, which you know, I know

786
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:08,800
Toto was like not the most say
there's Richie sticking his singer down his throat,

787
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:14,239
but he was a great drama.
That guy. Jeff Ricaro was just

788
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,639
amazing drummer. And he also he
was just a kid and he helped a

789
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:23,320
lot of young drummers actually start their
careers. He was really a good guy.

790
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,239
Died at like thirty two, you
know, spraying on secticides and his

791
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,280
plants or something. I mean,
yeah, yeah, very yeah. But

792
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,840
Toto was someone I came to Toto
late in life, but they were great

793
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,639
music. They were like the nineteen
eighties version of the Wrecking Crew. They

794
01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:45,159
were basically the session musicians in LA
and they farmed their own band. They

795
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:51,000
played all of Michael Jackson songs and
stuff. Bos Skaggs, that's Toto backing

796
01:02:51,079 --> 01:02:54,599
him those people up. So yeah, Jeff Piccaro and Bill Brufford I got

797
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:59,679
to say, and Ringo I think
goes out without mentioning. I think that's

798
01:02:59,679 --> 01:03:04,159
the whole different class. But those
two guys are my favorites. I'm gonna

799
01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:06,639
got a wan one now, I'm
gonna I know, Charlie Watson. Who

800
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:15,639
else? Yeah? Right, Charlie, we miss you. He had that.

801
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,599
It's because of his jazz background apparently. I mean I never thought about

802
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:22,960
it at the time when I was
a kid, you know, listening to

803
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:32,079
them banging away with tell Me and
Bo Diddley and Chuck Berry covers. He

804
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:36,800
didn't really sound like a jazz drummer
to me. But that's where he got

805
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:42,079
his chops and that's where he he
until his death, still lives. Right.

806
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,679
So, my jazz quartett, you're
a drummer, so with with with.

807
01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:51,199
If you're a jazz drummer, is
rock easier? Is that what we're

808
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:58,599
trying to say? I guess.
So, yeah, it's a different kind

809
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:01,239
of discipline. I think, a
different kind of technique. I mean,

810
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:11,559
I never I can't imagine Charlie playing
jazz really. He was kind of quite

811
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:18,400
simplistic in his He's playing in the
in the same way that Ringo was.

812
01:04:18,519 --> 01:04:21,800
I think although Ringo, I think
Ringo was more intricate. And you were

813
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:28,119
saying earlier on about you can isolate
drum tracks now and listen to some of

814
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:33,239
the stuff that the Beatles did.
And Ringo is an interesting character, but

815
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:40,079
I don't want to take over one
one's kind of so maybe maybe we'll come

816
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:42,880
back to that, but well,
go ahead. One of the things that

817
01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:47,480
Charlie Watt said, and it's in
that book, Sympathy for the Simpathy for

818
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:53,159
the Drummer, that I think you
gave me back, yes, the opening

819
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:57,920
page, she says, what the
f is a rock drummer? Because he

820
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,159
didn't consider himself a rock drummer.
I agree, yeah, he didn't at

821
01:05:01,159 --> 01:05:08,599
all. He was a disciple of
Charlie Parker and that band that that kind

822
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:12,239
of music. Yeah yeah, yeah, and that probably molded his style and

823
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:18,480
molded his approach to rock music.
But you know what he played, it

824
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:21,360
he played He can play rock music. I mean, you hear him.

825
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:27,679
And when when I saw the first
concert, the first tour without Charlie,

826
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,480
when we first moved here in Hyde
Park in twenty twenty two, there were

827
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:36,239
certain songs where you say, damn, that's not him. Charlie should be

828
01:05:36,239 --> 01:05:40,920
in this. You know you hear
it, you know it when you don't

829
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,400
hear it. He's really yeah funny
though, yeah, yep, he was.

830
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:47,480
He was like like Ringo he I
mean, he had a four drum

831
01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:54,480
set maybe five drums, okay,
and he also had a phantom beat Charlie

832
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:59,639
wats did where he would almost hit
the high happen, he wouldn't every other

833
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,119
beat sometimes, and that, to
him left space. So that's why he

834
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:08,679
was able to be a dynamic drummer
and live, you know, because that's

835
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:14,679
what they became, a live band, yet not playing anything like insanely complicated,

836
01:06:14,719 --> 01:06:17,280
you know. And I think there's
a nod to that what not to

837
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,559
play type stuff, you know what
I mean, what not to play,

838
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:25,519
But you've got to be there at
the same time. So he too,

839
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:28,719
is one of my favorites. I
mean, you know, he's all right,

840
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,840
I'm gonna go to Richie now,
Richie, well, I'm sorry,

841
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,320
I'm sorry. Oh, I'm just
gonna throw this one in and hopefully there

842
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:42,840
will be animal fingers inserted in mouths, but mouths mouths to identify a drummer

843
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,880
that just fits a band so perfectly. It's like, yeah, Dovetail Joints.

844
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well he was them, Yeah,

845
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:56,199
he was that Tucker of de velovet
Underground. Oh they're the terrible band.

846
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,559
That What a waste of vinyl those
people are. Come on, come

847
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:04,760
on, Green Tucker was a great
drummer for that band, and that band

848
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:10,840
was no slush. You just you
just gotta get whipped, you gotta you

849
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,559
gotta do a revisit back on the
Velvet Underground, Okay, And I keep

850
01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:18,960
telling you. Boston was one of
their favorite venues from New York. Boston

851
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:23,599
was one of the favorite venues,
and in particular the Boston Tea Party was

852
01:07:23,639 --> 01:07:27,239
a favorite place. Be there.
That was a favorite place and thrown out

853
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,480
of there as it turns out.
But yeah, okay, I just don't

854
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:33,719
like what's his name there? What's
his name? Lou Reed? Yeah,

855
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:40,159
come on, freak, you know
you had that one song and and now

856
01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:42,679
we're supposed to, you know,
kiss his ass because he's, you know,

857
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:47,559
Andy Waha's friend. I mean that
that whole New York bullshit is I'm

858
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:51,880
not a snob at all. No
one enjoys that music. Anyone pretends they

859
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:57,679
do, but they don't love it. Let's be real about it. I

860
01:07:57,719 --> 01:08:00,880
can put I can put on that
Banana album all see. What more do

861
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,199
you need to know? I did
see that. I did see them at

862
01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:08,880
their heyday. The exploding plastic,
inevitable extraffag answer just happen to be the

863
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:13,360
right place at the right time.
And before that he's cutting you off.

864
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,239
Can you save us, please?
Matt? So do you know? I

865
01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:20,359
mean, are you in love with
development underground as much as one one is?

866
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:29,359
No? I did briefly get to
meet lou Reid and he's and his

867
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:35,600
comrades, and again going back to
the Rocky Horror Show. They came to

868
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:41,920
see The Rocky Horror Show and I
could see them from where I was sat

869
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:47,079
playing. After about the first five
minutes, they all fell asleep. Okay,

870
01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:59,880
all right, I'm sure they're just
the thing for me that spoiled it

871
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:02,920
is that when the show finished,
they all woke up and they wobbled backstage

872
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:08,159
and said how great it was to
the cast, you know, And that

873
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:13,319
sort of thing doesn't sit very well
with me. So that's my abiding memory

874
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:20,600
of Blue Ray. That's terrible.
I don't know interesting. I just think

875
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,640
that that that, you know,
if you're going to be famous. You

876
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,640
should you be able to like tune
your instrument and play your instrument and stuff

877
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,760
like that, you know, and
I don't know. I don't know.

878
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:35,600
It's just just not for me.
Okay, I'll tell you the first record

879
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:41,119
Nico did it for me. Oh
wow, where did you grow up against?

880
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,720
I grew up in Cambridge. I
grew up in that era. In

881
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:51,399
that period of time the bombs stopped
dropping and then all of a sudden I

882
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,159
was born. Okay, Oh really, yeah you too. They were dropping

883
01:09:55,159 --> 01:10:00,000
them on Cambridge. In Cambridge.
Cambridge is for people to know, cambridg

884
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:01,720
is where have it is? Haved
is not in Boston, It's and Cambridge.

885
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,000
He grew up in Charles Well,
he's he's every time you hear him.

886
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:10,000
It's a different story, grandmother.
But the Carl Cambridge now Cambridge Stan,

887
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:17,960
Cambridge Stan get it anyway? They
yes, Well, because I'll tell

888
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,479
you what, the People's Republic of
Cambridge. That's right, that's right.

889
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:25,079
And it's so phony. It's so
freaking phony. Okay, because we went

890
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:28,079
down there, this is probably ten
years ago, and everyone is like kind

891
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:31,199
of this enlightened yet rich hippie down
there. We went into that bakery,

892
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,119
and we got the many donuts,
we got many cupcakes, many cupcakes,

893
01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:42,720
six dollars apiece, six dollars apiece
those ten years ago, they're probably forty

894
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,239
dollars a piece. Now, who
are you sell them to? You know

895
01:10:45,279 --> 01:10:49,600
what I mean? Anyway, let's
get back to drumas. Okay, he

896
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,279
got a job and they started making
some money. Well that's what happened,

897
01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:00,199
exactly what happened. So did Martin
went on to RICHI, Rich, you

898
01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:05,479
were going to go to you now
your favorite drummer? Well, they rotate,

899
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:09,800
but I've been listening to so much
deep Purple now I'd have to say,

900
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:19,199
I paste, oh woe. Yeah
is amazing, and uh yeah,

901
01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:23,560
I should have picked him. They
got a new record out, don't they.

902
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,720
That's what started me getting into him, because they put out this,

903
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:32,479
uh put out a new video for
for Smoke on the Water. And now

904
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:36,840
they put out a new record.
They put out a video like forty years

905
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,600
later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's it's amazing.

906
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,520
It's all animated. Yeah, and
tell us the whole story of the song.

907
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,479
And now they've now they're putting out
their new album and great new song

908
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:55,079
called Portable Door and I just started
listening to Deep Purple over again, and

909
01:11:55,439 --> 01:12:00,439
Deep Purple, his cres roll,
his speed like and any play to the

910
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,920
song. It's not just a technical
drummer. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's

911
01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:08,279
unbelievable. And I don't people don't
really mention him. And I was like,

912
01:12:08,319 --> 01:12:11,239
you know, that guy's play killer. He was on my list.

913
01:12:11,279 --> 01:12:14,359
I was going to mention him.
Really, I was going to segue into,

914
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:18,640
uh, Deep Purple is probably featured
in Once upon a Time in Hollywood.

915
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:24,399
Oh, I'm going to talk about
that movie. We're not going to

916
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,640
do. That's another show. That
movie sucks. So now who's playing the

917
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,680
league about that? On the movie
show? Yeah? Yeah, two movies.

918
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,920
So I can't I can't win for
trying on this show. No,

919
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:38,600
you can't keep trying. Never say
never want one. So who's the league

920
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,000
guitar player now on that? It's
not Richie black Boy was with them years

921
01:12:42,039 --> 01:12:45,520
ago, right, yeah, an
Steve Morse for a long time and they

922
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,359
just got rid of him and there's
some new guy. I don't even know

923
01:12:48,359 --> 01:12:51,840
who he is. So, so
what do you know about Richie Blackmore or

924
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:58,520
anything? Jimmy tag Basically, I
think he's the one of the basis for

925
01:12:59,359 --> 01:13:03,760
Nigel. Okay, so this is
this is what this guy did. He's

926
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:10,239
famous for playing practical tricks or practical
jokes on someone. This is Richie Blackmore,

927
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:14,439
guitar player for Deep Purple, and
he's been around Richie Blackmore's rainbow and

928
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:19,239
stuff. He's one of these guys. And did he play for Ozz No,

929
01:13:19,239 --> 01:13:21,399
No, I don't think so.
That's always told me. I am

930
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:27,600
so. Anyway, he got mad
at his like booking agent or something for

931
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,680
some reason get mad at this guy. So he got him drunk and they

932
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:39,680
put that stuff in your drink that
makes you you know, like rufi rufie

933
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:44,880
put a roofie in his drink.
Okay, he passed out. They stripped

934
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,720
them naked and put him on a
ferry to Iceland, tied him up in

935
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:54,680
the front seat of his car naked
and put his car on a ferry to

936
01:13:54,760 --> 01:14:00,880
Iceland as a prepis who would do
that? Richie black More? Yes,

937
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:06,920
but supposedly that's yeah, that's just
thing practical Joe, but also weird thinking

938
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:12,760
about him. Really yeah, his
seems like a guy. Well he's a

939
01:14:13,039 --> 01:14:20,840
guy. Yep. He also was
doing this this kind of cathedral tour.

940
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:25,479
This is when I was working with
Maras, they would do these tours Mattin

941
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,880
maybe you know more of them than
we do, where they would go to

942
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,039
these old kind of churches and do
this kind of you know, middle aged

943
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:34,640
cantle and whatever that stuff is.
Do you know what I mean? How

944
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:40,399
do I dream this? Now?
You're right. It's called Blackmore's Nights and

945
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:45,600
it's with his wife. Oh yes, yes, I talked to his go

946
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:49,039
ahead. It's crazy. I don't
understand it, Like they were going to

947
01:14:49,079 --> 01:14:51,840
do another tour with him, and
he was like, no, I'm busy

948
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:57,880
doing this. I talked to his
man, his command, his p was

949
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:02,319
feeling their oats with the classical music, including uh, Emerson, Lake and

950
01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:09,680
Palmer and that whole era. Yeah, it was just loaded with classical music.

951
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,960
I mean, right in your face, yes, delicious. It was

952
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:16,039
very good. I enjoyed a lot
of that stuff. Emerson, Lake and

953
01:15:16,119 --> 01:15:20,840
Palmer works is a great full It's
a two album set and they all do.

954
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,960
They were all an exhibition. Yep, A really good. They were

955
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,279
good players. I mean Keith Emerson
really was, and so was we're talking

956
01:15:28,279 --> 01:15:31,239
about keyboard players now, but so
was Rick Wakeman and Tony Banks and those

957
01:15:31,239 --> 01:15:35,960
guys. They were kind of classic
classantly trained, classically trained. They were

958
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:41,399
classically trained we call classically trained,
you know, and then they just go

959
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,479
over to keyboards. And so Lowis
was going to go to you, who's

960
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,880
your favorite drama? Lowis the guy
from the Basity Rollers? What's his na

961
01:15:49,079 --> 01:15:54,840
I honestly don't really have one.
But someone I think is really talented as

962
01:15:54,920 --> 01:16:04,119
Sheila e. Yeah from Oh,
I don't know, is that different?

963
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:11,520
Like she's not she I don't know, she just can She's jumping around the

964
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:17,479
box and stuff. Yeah, but
she does so many different Wow, she'll

965
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,199
e Lowis surprising us. All that's
really good and interesting. Well, I

966
01:16:21,239 --> 01:16:27,039
mean she's she's talented, So I
would give her props for that. I

967
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:33,399
just don't you very on everything?
Yeah, yeah, Hungry put some for

968
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:39,920
holy Is on that. You know. There's another guy, Prince, very

969
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:44,279
strange career prince, like you know, he he made his name like in

970
01:16:44,319 --> 01:16:47,239
Minnesota and then some management company out
in Los Angeles. Who this is all

971
01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:53,239
these guys kind of get famous.
They bring him out there and and he's

972
01:16:53,319 --> 01:16:55,279
like, you know, a babe
in the woods. He didn't know what's

973
01:16:55,279 --> 01:16:58,279
going on. All these guys doing
coke and stuff like that. So that's

974
01:16:58,279 --> 01:17:01,880
why he built that big studio of
his back in Minnesota, right what it's

975
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:06,520
called Purple Studios or whatever park.
Yeah, and he'd do everything himself.

976
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,800
I mean, you know, one
of he says, I could just do

977
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:14,880
this all myself, and he did. Really talented guy played guitar like crazy.

978
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,359
He never really played his guitar a
lot. But gess if you see

979
01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:24,039
that video of wa my guitar grintly
weeps that they did at the George Harrison

980
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:30,399
memorial, unbelievable. I mean,
this guy was unbelievable. But but he

981
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:35,399
hadn't He ended uh traffic tragically.
Absolutely. But she came from a really

982
01:17:36,199 --> 01:17:45,199
musical family. And do you know
her godfather was Mylon Brando no Tito Puente.

983
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:59,640
Oh that's how she got the tim
ballas someone listened too. And her

984
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,760
dad was a drummer, and and
they just had a whole, I mean

985
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:11,760
their whole. She has uncles and
brothers that were all in the musical world.

986
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,800
If you are so very talented,
talk about the music and winded things.

987
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,439
So going back to Jeff Picaro for
a second, the guys in Toto

988
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:21,079
is the drummers Jeff Picaro. The
bass player was Mike Picaro, and the

989
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:25,880
keybod player was Steve Pacarro, right, and and then they had two other

990
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,960
guys and that made Toto. So
there's these three brothers. Their father played

991
01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:35,000
on like every TV show theme song
in the sixties. He plays on the

992
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:43,479
Flintstones song Joe Picaro and everything everything, you know, And that's where they

993
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,760
got actually, that's where they got
their break because a lot of people in

994
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,079
Toto, their families were in the
biz, you know what i mean.

995
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:53,680
Yeah, their kids from Hollywood and
they had connections, you know, but

996
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,880
they also could play like crazy.
They I mean, when not to talk

997
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,520
about these guys a lot, but
when Jeff Picarro and this other guy,

998
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,760
David Page, which where he was
the other keyboard player for Toto, and

999
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:10,800
their brother and their other brother,
Steve Picaro, they recorded with Boss Gigs,

1000
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,720
the Boss Keggs album, and then
on weekend they'd come home and play

1001
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,439
high school dances with you know,
the other guys. And they were playing

1002
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,399
high school dances when they were when
they were we quit with Steely Dan.

1003
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,840
Okay. They were so young,
is what I'm saying. And they were

1004
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,359
just great musicians that happened to have
a lot of connections, you know,

1005
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:35,119
so yes, thus total and toto
in Japan means toilet. All right,

1006
01:19:35,159 --> 01:19:39,159
why don't we do this? Should
we take a commercial break now and add

1007
01:19:39,239 --> 01:19:43,479
all this? Why don't we do
that? Why don't we take a commercial

1008
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,239
break now? And when we come
back? I want to ask Martin about

1009
01:19:45,239 --> 01:19:48,720
when he met Elton John. You
turned down being in Elton John's band?

1010
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:57,640
Correct, Well, okay, I
hang out. Well, we'll get to

1011
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,880
it after the Prussia break. Will
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Join our mission at HFOTUSA dot org. Welcome back. If we went

1020
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:09,920
to mc maloney's musical X Files.
Here in the distant Thunder Radio Network.

1021
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,680
This is mc maloney. What a
show we have for you tonight. You

1022
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:17,399
know who co conspirators girls, he's
here across the puddle, our good friend

1023
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:28,199
Martin Fitzgibbon. How about that across
Now you're going to get all the fan

1024
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:33,319
mail. How are you, Martin? I'm good, I'm good. Thank

1025
01:21:33,359 --> 01:21:41,560
you guys here Martin was the original
drupper Let's move a lot for the Rocky

1026
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:45,199
Horror Picture Show and then went on
from there. So we're gonna get back

1027
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:47,199
to you in a second. Also
with us girls, don't be disappointed.

1028
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:50,800
The very famous one one also here
from across the puddle. Hello, this

1029
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:56,159
is one one. Hello, boys
and girls and all ships at sea.

1030
01:21:57,039 --> 01:22:00,319
You're listening to the show on pirate
Radio. Maybe whose but welcome to the

1031
01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:04,199
show and we love to have you. Do they still have that? I

1032
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:11,239
listened to this on BBC Sounds Oh
yeah, okay, happen. But there's

1033
01:22:11,279 --> 01:22:15,399
actually a lot of good content on
British radio these days. It's not like

1034
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,079
back in the old days where I
had to have a short wave radio to

1035
01:22:18,199 --> 01:22:23,560
listen to what was coming out of
Liverpool. I mean seriously, a short

1036
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:27,640
wave as big, big as Zenith
shortwave nice stuff to my uncle, I

1037
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,479
tune it in and going, oh
wow, it's the Kinks all day and

1038
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:35,119
all the night, Top of the
Pop. No, it couldn't be Top

1039
01:22:35,159 --> 01:22:41,920
of the Pops. That's the BBC
thing. But the BBC used to pirate

1040
01:22:42,039 --> 01:22:45,399
radio with you know, but do
they still have that? Is that pirate

1041
01:22:45,039 --> 01:22:49,279
Caroline? Yeah? Still out there
Radio Caroline. So that we should explain

1042
01:22:49,319 --> 01:22:54,079
the BBC is a British broadcasting again, and the gunman kind of owns the

1043
01:22:54,199 --> 01:22:57,479
radio over there, and they used
to sense the stuff they wouldn't have day

1044
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,479
in the life on they had.
They wouldn't let them play, wouldn't let

1045
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:04,800
some Stone songs on because of what
they considered bad content. But there were

1046
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:10,399
these pilot pirate ships that were you
know, basically anchor off of England,

1047
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,600
so many miles off so that they
didn't get busted, and they and they

1048
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:21,399
played rock music right not the this
still did. That's crazy man anyway.

1049
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:26,840
Yeah, also that that was a
good time. Yeah, oh yeah,

1050
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,560
yeah. I was a kid kid
growing up, Martin. I'm sorry,

1051
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:34,720
what what Martin? And when I
was a kid growing up there was something

1052
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:41,600
called Radio Luxembourg. Yeah. That
was the only music that played anything that

1053
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:46,520
kids wanted to listen to really,
and it used to be surprisingly given the

1054
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:51,359
name, it used to be broadcast
from Luxembourg and they're this huge, huge

1055
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:57,239
mast. Yeah, because it was
coming such a distance, it kind of

1056
01:23:57,239 --> 01:24:00,079
faded in and faded out, so
you know, you you'd get sections of

1057
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,880
the record and usually it was a
bit of a game because when it started

1058
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,560
to fade out, you kind of
sing along and try and come back in

1059
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:12,199
exactly in the right place. Yeah, and stuff like that. And then

1060
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:17,399
the Pirate Radio Guys came along and
that kind of revolutionized the BBC as well,

1061
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:23,279
So I did a few gigs with
the DJs used to come over to

1062
01:24:23,279 --> 01:24:27,239
the Mainland occasionally and do some shows, and I did a few gigs for

1063
01:24:27,319 --> 01:24:30,640
those guys back in the day,
but they all ended up working for the

1064
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:36,159
BBC, which the BBC used to
put out a radio content which was still

1065
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:41,560
pretty lame really in my opinion,
or at least it was, you know,

1066
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,159
and there was something exciting about listening
to the Pirate Guys because it was

1067
01:24:45,399 --> 01:24:48,159
you know, slightly naughty. Illegal, yes, because it was illegal,

1068
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:53,880
Yes, so we enjoyed that.
But the BBC, and also with us

1069
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,880
is our good friend rich Kennedy and
for Laa Dell, Rich, do we

1070
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,920
introduce you? No you didn't,
would you introduce you? Also with us

1071
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,479
in the studio with the very lowly
Lewis Lane happy to be Richie's system,

1072
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:10,840
But that makes no difference. Are
lowis just dandy? Okay? One one

1073
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,159
that I introduced him? Yes,
yes she did, she did, and

1074
01:25:14,199 --> 01:25:17,760
then Martin was telling us about the
pirate ships. So so, but the

1075
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,840
BBC, in a way, as
I understand it, they would they as

1076
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,199
I said, they would sense of
stuff. They wouldn't let Day in the

1077
01:25:24,279 --> 01:25:27,239
Life on because they said, I
get you know, it seems like I'm

1078
01:25:27,279 --> 01:25:30,920
getting high or whatever. Right.
But they also brought the Beatles in.

1079
01:25:30,279 --> 01:25:34,680
They did those albums the Beatles at
the BBC. They would play live Beatles

1080
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:39,239
shows. So the BBC, so
they must have been somewhat hip if you

1081
01:25:39,279 --> 01:25:44,159
know what I mean? Right wrong, Well, they had to be dragged

1082
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:45,520
in, kicking and screaming to be
hip. I yeah, yeah, I

1083
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:53,479
know, but still you mean the
BBC had to be yeah yeah, It's

1084
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,720
like I don't know how how it
would be like watching Channel two here in

1085
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,319
Boston and going there for your music. It's just like dull intellectuals in a

1086
01:26:00,359 --> 01:26:04,880
fish called Wanda with John clice We're
not John Clicee the other morning Python guy.

1087
01:26:05,399 --> 01:26:08,960
Excuse me, know what's wrong with
you? People? Get your bloody

1088
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:16,319
polite? Ain't that Tru's that's what's
going on. If my wife is British,

1089
01:26:16,359 --> 01:26:21,439
that's she is wicked, bloody polate. She's only British by birth,

1090
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:28,479
but you know she's British nonetheless.
And it's difficult to explain to people what

1091
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,680
the BBC. I mean to try
and give you an idea how crusty the

1092
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:38,760
institution was that when it was just
a radio thing. I didn't have any

1093
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:45,399
TV. The radio presenters used to
stress up in suit and time even though

1094
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,920
they were on the radio. We
should do that. That's British except the

1095
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:57,800
colleagues. That's fun. They have
a great history though that that documentary about

1096
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,159
the BBC how it started, it's
just a gives me goosebumps. Because I

1097
01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:03,560
love radio. I love I love
being in radio. I love I love

1098
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,680
working on radios. That's what I
did in the Navy, and that's what

1099
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:11,319
I did. I earned my stripes. Before I came an IT guy,

1100
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:18,279
love radio and always interested in the
skip and how radio way, especially AM

1101
01:27:18,319 --> 01:27:25,039
propagates through the off the ionosphere depending
on the clouds. And and then we

1102
01:27:25,159 --> 01:27:29,079
lived on the coast and f M. I would listen to stations from the

1103
01:27:29,159 --> 01:27:34,960
Cape Cape cod because FM propagates really
good over water, straight shot, because

1104
01:27:35,079 --> 01:27:41,520
FM is like line of sight.
Yeah. Yeah, you can't get it

1105
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:45,279
in tunnels, right, yeahh well, you know up in when we were

1106
01:27:45,319 --> 01:27:48,800
up in upstate New York, in
Albany and York, we could pick up

1107
01:27:49,279 --> 01:27:53,880
radio stations from Chicago, like yeah, like they're right down the street,

1108
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,239
you know, because I guess there
was kind of a lot, you know,

1109
01:27:56,399 --> 01:28:00,640
kind of flat all the way to
Chicago, and you would switch on.

1110
01:28:00,279 --> 01:28:03,880
I had my cable, you know, fixed ones, and I had

1111
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:09,239
an old VCR and the guy said, how many channels do you watch on

1112
01:28:09,279 --> 01:28:11,119
this? And I said, I
know all the channels. This is way

1113
01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:14,319
way back. He says, hey, flip the switch. And I flipped

1114
01:28:14,319 --> 01:28:18,479
it and I got an entire Chicago
station's TV you know, the weather,

1115
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:23,880
the news, their their comedies there. Yeah, it was funny. Just

1116
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:28,039
with a little flick of the switch, you know so yeah, anyway,

1117
01:28:28,199 --> 01:28:30,239
those signals are all around us,
you know, I know that someone said

1118
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:33,880
once Radio Moscow is around us right
now. If you had the writing antenna

1119
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:36,439
to pick it up, you would
hear it. You know, it's not

1120
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:41,640
out there, it's everywhere. But
now everything's streaming now wall yeah back then

1121
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,960
yeah right yep. And then all
this stuff also goes off from the earth

1122
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,399
and it's been traveling, you know
for all these years. So someone else

1123
01:28:47,399 --> 01:28:51,319
there's going to hear you know,
how do do to you something? Anyway,

1124
01:28:51,359 --> 01:28:56,960
nobody's going to hear Winston Churchill's speech
or something like that as if it

1125
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,720
was right right off the press.
Yes, wait a minute, that was

1126
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:06,199
uh. You know, supposedly there's
a radio in an old rif bass that

1127
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:11,479
still you know, it picks up
like stuff from the forties and stuff,

1128
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:15,119
and you know, people hear churchill
speech on it and they unplug it and

1129
01:29:15,119 --> 01:29:17,920
they can still hear it and all
that kind of stuff. England is a

1130
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:21,159
strange place. You know, we
said this many times. There's so many

1131
01:29:21,279 --> 01:29:26,319
myths and stuff because it's such an
old place. You know, all this

1132
01:29:26,399 --> 01:29:31,840
stuff kind of piles up ghost stories
and different creatures and stuff like that so

1133
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:40,399
much Roman history, Viking history,
I'm always bumping into Henry the a stuff.

1134
01:29:40,399 --> 01:29:45,199
You know what I did not know. I thought Herman's Hermits that created

1135
01:29:45,239 --> 01:29:46,760
the song I'm Henry the Eighth.
I didn't know that they were singing that

1136
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,840
in World War One and the trenches. I did not know that. I

1137
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:58,000
know that. Okay, did they
know that that song is? Oh?

1138
01:29:58,079 --> 01:30:02,960
I thought there was a yeah,
the clever so abits m I'm Henry the

1139
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:10,319
Eighth, I am, but well, you know they were. I was

1140
01:30:10,399 --> 01:30:15,600
in researching these trivia questions from earlier
on the show. I started quote by

1141
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:21,840
Andrew Luke Oman, who was the
Rolling Stones mandra and worked for the Beatles

1142
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:27,560
for a while for Brian Epstein,
and he said, you know when the

1143
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:31,960
when the Beatles looked over their shoulder, they weren't really looking at the Rolling

1144
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:36,920
Stones, believe it or not,
they were looking at Herman's Hermits to overtake.

1145
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:44,000
Yeah, because they were slightly younger
than the Beatles, you know what

1146
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,479
I mean. I mean, the
Beadles just have like thirteen year old girls

1147
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,359
screaming at him. These guys that
the ten year old girls screaming and they'll

1148
01:30:48,359 --> 01:30:54,680
stay with you so you know,
but they didn't have the musical pals,

1149
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:58,720
you know. But yeah, yeah, that's funny that they actually thought the

1150
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:00,479
Herman's Hermits might you know, will
be there. Yeah. Them. And

1151
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:04,159
then Dave Clack five, which is
funny. Dave Clack five played on Ed

1152
01:31:04,199 --> 01:31:08,439
Sullivan more than any other rock band. Don't think about that for a second.

1153
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,479
And Dave Clake used to play I
mean they'd played live. They were

1154
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,439
terrible, but you know, and
he just used to boom boom boom pummy.

1155
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,159
Is funny how he drivened. But
bits and pieces, this is the

1156
01:31:17,239 --> 01:31:21,800
drum work on that one. Yeah, bits and pizza. Yeah, I

1157
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:28,840
remember that one. So best song
was a ballad called because because he just

1158
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:30,840
come to my eyes in that song. I love that song. Mike Smith,

1159
01:31:31,159 --> 01:31:34,479
the keyboard play you know what happened
to him? We talked about him,

1160
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:38,680
Martin. Do you know what happened
to Mike Smith, the keyboard player

1161
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:44,840
of Dave Clack five, No,
go on tell me. So they were

1162
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:48,640
all still friends and they all made
money, especially Dave, and they'd get

1163
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:53,479
together every once in a while and
so on. So Mike Smith was he

1164
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:58,800
lived in I think in Spain with
his wife and he lived in a gated

1165
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:03,039
community, let's say, and he
was out one night. This is a

1166
01:32:03,119 --> 01:32:08,239
terrible story. Well, you know, drinking, forgot the combination to the

1167
01:32:08,319 --> 01:32:12,920
gate, went over the wall and
fell and broke his spine. And what

1168
01:32:13,079 --> 01:32:15,119
is that, Rich? Is that
a piccani? What is that that?

1169
01:32:15,279 --> 01:32:17,680
Get that cat out of it?
Is that a camarin? That's what I

1170
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,079
meant. That's what I meant,
Pomeranian, I get those two mixed.

1171
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:25,800
Anything that looks like one one dumps
on our awful story. So, yeah,

1172
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,359
he fell off a wall and it
was paralyzed for the rest of his

1173
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:35,399
life. Geez, really yeah,
yeah, yeah, but I'll tell you

1174
01:32:35,399 --> 01:32:41,479
another story. How about this?
Now? It turns out that the cousin

1175
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,840
of Lois and Rich, one of
them played drums for Flock of Seagulls for

1176
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:51,039
a while, right correct, right
A j His name is good guy and

1177
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:57,920
he wouldn't us yes, And and
your other brother played for the other his

1178
01:32:58,039 --> 01:33:06,520
brother played for the Rascals, right, So anyway, so the original Flock

1179
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:10,640
of Seagulls, and I know this
only because they saw like a retrospective of

1180
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,640
them. Okay, there were two
brothers, the drummer and the and the

1181
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,239
guy with the haircut, right,
and the guy with the haircut kind of

1182
01:33:16,319 --> 01:33:20,520
ran things. Okay, well if
you know who I mean, you know

1183
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:26,439
what I mean, he had you
know so. And then the guitar player

1184
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:30,520
was a fifteen year old kid when
they hit all right, and he automatically

1185
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:36,159
went nuts. I mean literally went
into a mentalence institution at some point.

1186
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:41,399
And I think it's probably drugly lad
when those uh, and then the two

1187
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,560
other guys, you know, Mike's
score was the lead singer. He kind

1188
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,800
of kept the band going with a
j and people like that. And his

1189
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:53,520
brother was working in a warehouse that
they did this VH one retrospective and these

1190
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,760
guys are like, yeah, we're
still we're going to get back together,

1191
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,720
We're going to do an album,
and you know, and he's working in

1192
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,479
a warehouse. Sorry, So they
go to the base player. The bass

1193
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:06,520
player married some French princess, some
French socialite, and he lived in like

1194
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:13,239
one of these huge, huge mansions
and had you know, servants and stuff

1195
01:34:13,279 --> 01:34:15,359
like that. So it does work
out, kids, one out of every

1196
01:34:15,359 --> 01:34:21,680
four times. Okay, yeah,
I think I play the bass. Those

1197
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:28,359
kinds of things can happen if you're
in Europe. Great Britain, France.

1198
01:34:29,119 --> 01:34:33,680
You know, you have opportunities,
weird opportunities like that, Okay, more

1199
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,159
so than you would if you were
in the United States. Martin's raising his

1200
01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:43,079
sand mine. Did you marry a
French social? Lie? Tried, but

1201
01:34:44,279 --> 01:34:47,479
they were all taken. I think
you know it was their loss in my

1202
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:50,800
opinion. Okay, yeah, okay, So listen, we're coming to the

1203
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:55,720
end of the show, so please
Martin tell us how you turned down Elton

1204
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:00,920
John joining Elton John's band. Well, it sounds it sounds much more dramatic

1205
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:06,640
than is the truth. Elton John's
real name is, of course Regg Dwight,

1206
01:35:08,359 --> 01:35:14,000
and he grew up around the corner
from my cousin. My cousin,

1207
01:35:14,079 --> 01:35:17,880
my auntie and uncle lived around the
corner and we used to visit them on

1208
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:23,840
a fairly regular basis. And I
went there one day and this little pudgy

1209
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:30,960
guy was there with glasses and they
said, oh, you know, I

1210
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,840
don't know how old he would have
been, ten or eleven or something.

1211
01:35:36,199 --> 01:35:39,800
And my auntie said, oh,
you know, this is this is reg

1212
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:44,920
He plays piano and he's he's brilliant, and she said, and Martin plays

1213
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:54,319
drums, so why don't you guys
get together the group? And I kind

1214
01:35:54,319 --> 01:35:56,680
of looked at him and I thought, well, you know, with a

1215
01:35:56,760 --> 01:36:00,840
name like reg and looking like that, he ain't never going to go perfect.

1216
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:11,600
Well, okay, it wasn't my
best career move. And he also

1217
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:15,399
he turned up. Actually i've never
met him since, and I would love

1218
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:17,920
to, because he turned out.
One day there was an escape budgery guard

1219
01:36:18,279 --> 01:36:21,840
and he took it home to his
mum, and his mom said, his

1220
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:25,399
mum was pretty fierce lady, and
she said, you're not keeping it go,

1221
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,199
let it go. And he said, you know, I can't do

1222
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:30,520
that. It will die, because
they do die if they're out in the

1223
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:34,840
wild. So he took it round
to my auntie and uncle said, will

1224
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:40,560
you take this this budgery gar,
in which they did, what is that

1225
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:46,239
budgery gar? It's it's a bird, like a little canary. Sure yea.

1226
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:53,560
So they called it reg and and
Rege lived for years and years and

1227
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,960
years. So I always figured if
I ever met Elton John, I'd say,

1228
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:03,680
do you remember that little canary story? We have? So there you

1229
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:11,479
go. Interesting story, but that
is interesting, but when you bring animals

1230
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:16,600
into it, it always enhances the
doesn't. I'm going to bring a chicken

1231
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:20,039
parmesan into this discussion right after we
get off the Yeah, how about that?

1232
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:29,920
So you know what I've been saving
the Hedgehogs a bobbe An Instagram thing,

1233
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:36,720
a TikTok with the Hedgehogs. We
Matt Maley is on with us every

1234
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:40,399
once in a while. He might
have been on last time. And he

1235
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:44,199
used to play bass for the Countain
Crows and so he had a he had

1236
01:37:44,199 --> 01:37:48,199
a day off and he went to
that Tower Records in l A Okay,

1237
01:37:48,279 --> 01:37:53,159
remember that famous place. It's not
closed down. And he's walking around in

1238
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:56,079
there and he said, you know, he noticed this guy's behind him and

1239
01:37:56,199 --> 01:38:00,880
is like this big, big muscle
bound guy kind of moving him along.

1240
01:38:00,039 --> 01:38:04,800
And it was it was Elton John's
bodyguard and and he and Elton John had

1241
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:08,560
him carrying a basket and say take
that, take that, take that,

1242
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:13,720
take that. And so Matt was, who's a uh. He loves like

1243
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,199
Indian music. He was like the
George Harrison of the Counting Crows. He

1244
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:18,960
went and he got this kind of
Indian music that he really liked. This

1245
01:38:19,039 --> 01:38:21,800
is CDs. As he was checking
out, he went over and he says,

1246
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:25,479
you know, I love your music. I want you to you know,

1247
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,760
this is my favorite music. I
want to give it to you.

1248
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,359
He says. It's just nice,
nice guy, thanks a lot, very

1249
01:38:30,399 --> 01:38:32,920
sincere counting crows blah blah blah.
You know he was he was an okay

1250
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:39,279
guy, you know, which is
always important to me. Yeah. Yeah,

1251
01:38:39,319 --> 01:38:42,199
down the earth when you're like a
mega mega, mega freaking rock star

1252
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,840
is good. So anyway, well, why do we do this? We

1253
01:38:45,239 --> 01:38:48,039
have to say goodbye and it's switch. He isn't here to put the train

1254
01:38:48,119 --> 01:38:54,560
crash vision image up, so we're
gonna have to imagine the train crashing into

1255
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,800
the station. Martin. Thank you
very much. We're gonna clap you waft

1256
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,920
there, my friend, Thank you
very much. Thank you guys, thank

1257
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,399
you very much. Pleasure to be
here. Now, let us know if

1258
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:11,199
I five, I five, or
I six contacts you. Okay, you're

1259
01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:14,079
close by. Thank you very much. Now come on real soon again.

1260
01:39:14,119 --> 01:39:16,720
Okay, and thank you. We
appreciate it. Now you've written a book,

1261
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:20,399
what's your plug? Your book there, my friend, it's called My

1262
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:26,720
Life in Rocky Horror, which is
it's about my life and Rocky Horror.

1263
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:32,439
Clusing the time named Thank you took
me awhile to come up with it.

1264
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:41,000
But is it Is it a recent
release? Yeah, it was released in

1265
01:39:41,319 --> 01:39:47,000
November twenty three. Okay on Amazon. So it's on Amazon. It's on

1266
01:39:47,039 --> 01:39:50,720
Amazon. Yeah, it's only ars. Okay, it's the title one more

1267
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:56,479
time. The title it is My
Life and Rocky. It's actually called behind

1268
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:59,159
the Curtain. There's a story behind
that we don't have time to go into.

1269
01:39:59,279 --> 01:40:02,840
So Behind the Curtain my Life and
Rocky horror. Okay, nice,

1270
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:06,319
yeah by Martain Fitz. That's great. Join us again soon, right,

1271
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:11,760
thank you, Martin, Thank you, Martin, Richie, thank you for

1272
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:17,560
Richie rich Kennedy, thank you,
thank you. And he can pluck?

1273
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,720
Was that a cat? Was that
a cat that you brought it in front

1274
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:26,720
of the camera just a little while, Molly the dogs. They don't have

1275
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:29,560
a cat. It looks like a
cat. Do you have anything to plug

1276
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:32,399
there? My friend? Yes,
his businesses. Let's hear it. Wow,

1277
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:39,840
well, I mean well being for
I'll come by for drink. I

1278
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:46,920
don't want to cover sixty two.
It sounds like you get drunk on it.

1279
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:49,880
But it's not an alcoholic, right, it's not an alcoholic. Yeah,

1280
01:40:50,079 --> 01:40:53,640
you don't get drunk on it,
you get a you get what you

1281
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:58,640
would call it late a medium buzz
okay, just a nice kind of calm

1282
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:02,000
down. Get a happiness it's happiness
buzz. Yeah, you make believe it's

1283
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:05,720
alcoholic, and then if you go
right, you feel a nice, nice,

1284
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:11,680
nice mellow feeling. You drive home. Yeah, yeah, you have

1285
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:15,800
good dreams and then you wake up
with no hangover. Yeah. I want

1286
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:17,199
to go up to the girls to
say, hey, buy you a cava.

1287
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:21,680
Yes, if there were girls that
came in for sure, Oh wow,

1288
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:30,520
pretty much, dude, it's pretty
much. It's bad man. Thank

1289
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,600
you Richie. But it's the original, the O G the og right,

1290
01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:39,840
Lois, Thank you Lois for joining
us, and thank you for having me.

1291
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:43,680
It was always fun to listen to
everybody talk about music. Oh,

1292
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:48,399
including everyone. Thank you, Thank
you, Lois. We appreciate it.

1293
01:41:49,039 --> 01:41:54,079
One one. Thank you. You're
welcome. Pleasures Allline, glad to be

1294
01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:57,039
here, in fact, glad to
be anywhere You've got it, and we

1295
01:41:57,079 --> 01:42:00,079
will see you every very soon.
Let me do the plugs hang on.

1296
01:42:03,319 --> 01:42:09,000
So first we have to apologize to
our listeners because Apple and also a couple

1297
01:42:09,039 --> 01:42:15,239
of our podcasts platforms Now put ads
in kind of randomly in our show.

1298
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:18,359
We have no control over it.
It would be us against Apple. You

1299
01:42:18,359 --> 01:42:21,319
know who's going to win that.
So we just apologize to that. And

1300
01:42:23,239 --> 01:42:25,760
if you listen on at least we're
getting a lot of money for it.

1301
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:28,520
Well, yeah, thank it.
It makes me feel really better there.

1302
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:34,359
The thing to do is just go
to podbean dot com. Podbean dot com

1303
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:39,880
is the platform that we'd load the
show up to and there's no commercials in

1304
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:44,640
those broadcasts. Plus they have archives
of all the shows. So podbean dot

1305
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:47,640
com is where you should go.
Also, Home Spread Troops Home Start Troops

1306
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:53,560
is a charitable organization that raises money
for our vets who are engined in combat

1307
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:57,600
after nine to eleven. That's the
Iraqi Wa and the Afghanwa. These are

1308
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:03,960
people who came home missing limb,
have some kind of disability, good one

1309
01:43:04,359 --> 01:43:10,199
and homes Rough Troops builds them homes
adapted to their needs. That means like

1310
01:43:10,279 --> 01:43:13,880
low account of space, not a
lot of stairs and so on. And

1311
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:15,920
then when they finish the home,
they rip up the mortgage, they give

1312
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:19,239
them the keys. It's their home
for life and they can go back and

1313
01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:25,399
reading society and without that idea or
that headache of a mortgage hanging over your

1314
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:29,399
head every month. The beautiful homes
Lois and I went downs won a couple

1315
01:43:29,399 --> 01:43:32,239
of years ago. It was just
a knockout the way they build these souls,

1316
01:43:32,279 --> 01:43:39,359
don't you agree? Beautiful? It
was just amazing, all accessible,

1317
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:42,760
beautiful. So they've built three hundred
and eighty five of these homes so far.

1318
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:50,319
They're waiting list. There's twelve hundred
people, so please homes rung troops,

1319
01:43:50,359 --> 01:43:55,920
please google them, see what they're
about. Ninety cents in your charity

1320
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:58,680
dollar goes right toe. Event's okay. These are people who gave a lot

1321
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:00,560
to us. We should give a
lot to them. Also, we end

1322
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:04,239
every show by saying John McCain was
not a loser. He's a war hero.

1323
01:44:04,359 --> 01:44:08,119
He's a war veteran. You don't
make fun of people like that.

1324
01:44:08,399 --> 01:44:11,479
You look up to them. So
this is MAC for the entire gang,

1325
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:15,680
saying until you here us next time, be safe, be happy, and

1326
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:47,359
bye bye. In the darkest darkness, in the blackness black on the road

1327
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:53,640
to nowhere, there's no turning back. Love reached out and touch me,

1328
01:44:54,199 --> 01:45:01,039
stop me in my tracks, cross
my heart because it's true. I'm nothing

1329
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:11,199
with that you cross my heart.
Because it's true. I'm nothing with that,

1330
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:29,079
with the when the stars i'm raging
and the sees are hide, when

1331
01:45:29,079 --> 01:45:35,800
the cabin's fire across the smoky sky
and the castle's crumble and the angels cry

1332
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:45,960
across my heart. Because it's true. I'm nothing with that you across my

1333
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:56,600
heart. That is true. I'm
nothing with the hat, with the g

1334
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:36,800
I don't need no reason, I
don't need no vision. I'm just gonna

1335
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:43,880
stand here, me my own decision. I'm gonna listen to the rhythm of

1336
01:46:44,039 --> 01:46:58,680
my Sometimes I'm nothing at all.
You're always there when I call, You

1337
01:46:59,039 --> 01:47:10,560
always catch me when never a fall
across my heart, because it's true.

1338
01:47:11,279 --> 01:47:19,800
I'm nothing with that you across my
heart. Is true. I'm nothing with

1339
01:47:20,079 --> 01:47:51,840
that without your Sometimes I'm nothing at
all. You're always when I come,

1340
01:47:54,800 --> 01:48:03,840
You always catch me whenever I am
fall cross my heart because it's true.

1341
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:15,840
I'm nothing with that you cross my
heart. Because it's true. I'm nothing

1342
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:26,000
with that you cross my heart.
But it's true. I'm nothing with that

1343
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:38,960
you cross my heart because it's true. I'm nothing with that without you.

1344
01:49:13,319 --> 01:49:24,960
The feel can you hear mad?
The feel? The feel can you hear

1345
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:33,520
mad, the me up, thet
f up? Can you hear bad?

1346
01:49:34,199 --> 01:50:30,560
Feel me up? Can you hear
bad? Feel there? My soul?

1347
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:56,119
So he somebody trible my mother?
If I dye somebody trible, man rumble

1348
01:50:56,399 --> 01:51:15,439
there I die? You know that
fu so have of my school that bakes

1349
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:30,760
me mom. Someone tellble mamaca if
my di somebody trible, mamacle that I

1350
01:51:31,720 --> 01:53:36,960
mean mees moos moos of the og
my soul o the b so someone can

1351
01:53:38,039 --> 01:53:45,880
tell my bumble it's I die.
Some of them tell my combo that I

1352
01:54:35,520 --> 01:56:18,880
trem to sit in this place where
time is time but givens a never chime

1353
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:25,600
in time to a little in days
gone by, if I could catch one

1354
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:32,119
one fi ye. It was on
the way on the road to tread it

1355
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:45,239
now drowned out of house, treating
basic its trees of God, the stories

1356
01:56:45,319 --> 01:56:51,880
though the god has water. Once
I said sail to catch us stuff the

1357
01:56:53,039 --> 01:57:00,239
feel it was you. It was
on no way on the road, oh

1358
01:57:00,479 --> 01:57:27,159
to treat now don't know. I'm
strong in no. I was treating want

1359
01:57:27,239 --> 01:57:31,560
this dark place so it's back and
went to light to come in the back.

1360
01:57:32,279 --> 01:57:38,920
Stop this dark place. It's no
inside there's no retreat. Sometime that's

1361
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:45,720
time. It's got a no way. It don't no wrong to treat.

1362
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:56,520
And now my hotrong hose treating.
I don't know. I was traveling.

1363
01:57:56,800 --> 01:58:54,920
Don't have no house straight. I'll
go with him. Shout like that s

1364
01:58:55,640 --> 01:59:04,199
my DA's car. True stop,
I don't be a struck. It was

1365
01:59:04,319 --> 01:59:27,920
on the back on the road three
day start street. True, no struck, no