1 00:00:10,359 --> 00:00:15,359 What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season two, Episode three 2 00:00:15,439 --> 00:00:18,879 of Clips and Dip. Are we in season two? Now? Yeah? 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,000 Will you haven't been here for a very long time. We determined that, 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:29,079 we determined that seasons new seasons start whenever the NBA Draft happens. So okay, 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,840 we are on season two. Yeah, no, after after the finals, 6 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,159 the season is over. That makes sense. I get it. That 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,159 season one cliffhanger was wild man. Yeah, that was crazy sticking around. 8 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,960 Yes, I mean hey, thank you for sticking around. Thank you. 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,799 If you're listening in the offseason. We are Clips and Dip. We're part 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,039 of the two and three hoops Empire. I am Chuck Mockler, joined by 11 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:53,799 Adam Oslin and William Updike. Can find us on YouTube at Clippers Podcast, 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,920 Twitter at Clippers Pod. Guys, how are we doing? We're gonna get 13 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,560 into some we haven't even talked Kenyan in junior yet. We're gonna talk roster, 14 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,079 We're gonna talk plumbly. We're talking what the hell's next, as well 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,439 as some summer league. But more importantly, how are you fellas doing? 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,680 How's your off season so far? Adam, we'll go with you you're the 17 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,840 more positive one. Usually everything's awful. Guys. It's so hot outside. 18 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,480 I can't sleep at night. I gotta turn the ac all the way up, 19 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:23,439 and that costs more money. Now I'm good. Everything's fine, and 20 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:26,159 I'm back with you two. And Will's arrived. I felt like he signed 21 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:33,519 our yearbook and said see you next year or something. Summer. We miss 22 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,480 you, Will, how you've been. I'm good, I'm good. Uh, 23 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:41,560 you know, basking in this relative lack of Clippers news. We'll get 24 00:01:41,599 --> 00:01:44,640 into it in a minute, but uh, yeah, just I've been enjoying 25 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,359 the summer. I'm I'm actually, I'm I'm not taking this heat for granted, 26 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:53,040 after the after the May and June gloom that we've suffered here in Los 27 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,599 Angeles that we've you know, we've battered down the hatches. Um, I'm 28 00:01:57,599 --> 00:02:01,200 welcoming it with open arms. Much all right, like this Clippers offseason, 29 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:07,480 all right, we're basking in the heat. We're gonna talk because there was 30 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:08,960 a flurry of Clippers news, like we all thought we were going to trade 31 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,800 for James Harden imminently or some crazy thing. We're gonna talk about that in 32 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,479 a bit. But I think the more exciting thing is we got some youth 33 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,159 on the team. We've finally got some youth, a guy who can play. 34 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,719 In case you've missed this living your life, the Clippers traded two second 35 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:30,759 round picks to Kenyan Martin Junior for the Rockets. Incredible deal. He's making 36 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,680 just under two mill this upcoming season. Then he's an unrestricted free agent. 37 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:38,400 We will the Clippers will have full bird rights, so that's nice. Just 38 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:44,800 a breakdown for kJ. Martin played eighty seven percent of his time last season 39 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,800 at the small forward the year before that seventy six percent of his time at 40 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,719 the power forward position, so it seems like there's some flexibility there as we 41 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:55,400 know that the Clippers love it. Thirty four percent from deep on four and 42 00:02:55,439 --> 00:03:00,840 a half attempts per one hundred possessions in his career. He's he's hustles, 43 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:04,719 he's fast, he dunks, Adam, you've talked about him before. This 44 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,719 is a pretty nice little margin piece of business for the Clips. He played 45 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,960 eighty two games last year. That's kind of a big deal. No, 46 00:03:13,159 --> 00:03:15,719 this is someone we brought up over the last six months as someone that we 47 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:20,360 were hoping the Clippers would have an eye on. And would target just because 48 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:25,039 you get that infusion of athleticisms that pops something that has been sorely missing from 49 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:30,560 this ball club. A rim runner that can really go up and get anything 50 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:34,199 taken nickel off the top of the backboard, whatever it may be. But 51 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,400 I love the fact that you brought up the bird rights and they can go 52 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:42,800 over the cap to pay him regardless of how this season goes. And look, 53 00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:50,840 guys in contract years typically fall out a motivating factor there. And while 54 00:03:51,039 --> 00:03:54,840 he's only shooting thirty four percent from distance over his career, the first two 55 00:03:54,919 --> 00:04:00,879 seasons he shot about a very respectable thirty six percent from the outside, so 56 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:03,360 he's not just a rim runner. He's got some skill with the shot. 57 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,520 And I think it's going to come down to I love that set you brought 58 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,719 up of how much he played the power forward position, but if he can 59 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,800 guard up because of his athleticism, even though he's undersized, if you have 60 00:04:15,839 --> 00:04:20,399 a guy that can leap and just play stronger than your size, that could 61 00:04:20,439 --> 00:04:24,600 be a big factor for this team. And getting him more minutes on the 62 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:29,040 court and just having a more expanded role he can play against force and hold 63 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:31,680 his own. Yeah, well, where you're out on kJ Have you ordered 64 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,879 the jersey yet? Are you writing? Well? I'm curious to see if 65 00:04:34,959 --> 00:04:39,000 if he is going to be able to guard up a position. Last year, 66 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:42,600 you know, probably his most successful season so far and his short tenure 67 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:46,360 in the league, you know, nearly double the amount of minutes from any 68 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:49,199 season previous, and he actually played the fewest amount of minutes at the power 69 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:54,079 forward position. Now, it's not necessarily an indictment on him. I'm just 70 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:57,000 such a weird over and he's yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, 71 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:00,319 it's a it's a team that you know, like maybe doesn't have the best 72 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,839 tracking. I'm not going to go as far as to say rutnerless, but 73 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:09,079 maybe doesn't have the best tracking in terms of direction. So I definitely wouldn't 74 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,399 rule it out as a possibility. He's definitely got the size and the athletic 75 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:16,680 ability, and I think, I mean, youth is a huge thing that 76 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,959 we need to infuse this team with, especially if of any yeah, at 77 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,279 any hope of sort of extending this championship window around the core duo that we 78 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,360 know that they're gonna run with um. And I love him for the price 79 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,480 that you got him and Honestly, like, my biggest concern with this signing 80 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:41,360 really has nothing to do with what Kenyan Martin does on the core or who 81 00:05:41,439 --> 00:05:44,439 he is as a player, has to do with the fact that we still 82 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:48,800 haven't solved one of the biggest problems with this roster, which is the lack 83 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:55,399 of consolidation of the four position or the three four or however you want to 84 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,480 like break down that that position estimate. You can look up the stats on 85 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:04,279 our reference on your own, but it's last season, right. We looked 86 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,399 at like this glut of talent that the Clippers had, and I think, 87 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:10,439 you know, you can go back and listen to episodes. All of us 88 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:14,480 were really positive on it, especially on a team with two main guys who 89 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:16,600 you know, it's gonna be questionable if they're going to get to the fifty 90 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,480 game mark apiece. It's great to have, but I think what we saw 91 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:27,160 really is that it can lead to a sort of indecision fatigue, especially on 92 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:30,160 the part of coach lou And I think that you know, adding in another 93 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,240 wing and this is a more athletic wing, but i'll be another kind of 94 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:40,519 flawed wing that it's not the clear necessarily go ahead over some of the other 95 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,680 guys on the roster. I think that really presents a challenge. And the 96 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,560 biggest question for me about the signing is, Okay, so where are these 97 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,000 minutes coming from? Like, like, ultimately, where are these minutes going 98 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,920 from? If these are coming out of Marcus Morris minutes, which if he's 99 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,639 still on the roster, you know, I mean he's still expecting a starting 100 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:00,399 spot really from everything we've heard, right, you know, you know, 101 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,199 it's it's it's all just kind of a math equation of like how you're going 102 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:09,600 to figure out how these minutes are gonna go. Um, But there's no 103 00:07:09,639 --> 00:07:13,560 real loss necessarily, especially because of how low you got him. And I 104 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,240 love the idea. I love the direction of getting a little younger, but 105 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,439 you know, when the rubber meets the road, where is the plane in 106 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,160 development time for Kenny Martin Junior? And I don't have the answer right now. 107 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:28,040 I mean I have some thoughts, but that's something that they're going to 108 00:07:28,079 --> 00:07:31,399 have to figure out this season. Yeah, we did, especially with the 109 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,560 pending contract right because he wants to add one extra thing, but like you 110 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,120 know, you do have to figure it out because his rookie deal is about 111 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,000 to be up. So if he's not happy with his role, yes, 112 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,240 you have his bird rights, but like, yeah, you know, oh, 113 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:49,759 we don't want to pull a Joseph It getting mad at the front office 114 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:55,240 for an off season that hasn't finished yet. But I do shots that Joe 115 00:07:57,959 --> 00:08:01,639 retired old man gets also he'll be back all of as he hasn't retired, 116 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:07,279 come out. He's a special guest. But I think we're all assuming they're 117 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:11,639 going to make some move, considering they already telegraph to move with Marcus Morrison 118 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,040 a trade that fell through with Malcolm Brockton. So I don't know if he's 119 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,519 long for being a Clipper at this point, if they can really go into 120 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:26,800 camp having him but toomb and Robert Commington still on the team now with kJ 121 00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:30,360 Martin, with Kenyan Martin Jr. I don't see it happening. I don't 122 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,759 think it's very likely they tried to move him right Like, we're exactly only 123 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:39,120 like two weeks away from the Clippers first piece of business being trading away Marcus 124 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,799 Morrison. I just don't see him as the type of guy that now that 125 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:48,200 you've tried to move him, he's willing to stay and play nice, and 126 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:54,080 you know he has that document. The workout picks from Marcus Morrison even got 127 00:08:54,519 --> 00:08:58,440 You gotta wonder if some of those early free agency sort of moves and indications 128 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,799 didn't have anything to do with that. Yeah, we got some more of 129 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:05,960 the possible moves that could be coming. We'll talk about in a future segment 130 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:11,480 in this episode. But I just don't see it happening where Kenyan Martin Junior 131 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,480 isn't getting at least twenty minutes a night. At least, that's a guy 132 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,519 that has to be out there. I think, well Man second unit, 133 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:26,039 I mean it's probably second unit minutes. I don't see Martin starting for the 134 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:28,600 Clippers. No, and that wasn't when I was suggesting, oh totally yeah, 135 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:31,639 thirteen to twenty, Yeah, I'll take that. I think thirteen to 136 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:35,080 twenty is reasonable. I think, like expecting twenty at a minimum. I 137 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,000 don't know if reasonable. He's getting Terrence Man minutes, like, I just 138 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,639 don't see him as being well to be prepare they hate Terrence. That is 139 00:09:41,639 --> 00:09:46,799 fair, It's gonna be interesting, and there's so many moves that happen. 140 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:50,039 Still, I think that initial Marcus Morris mood had farther though I mean, 141 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,480 I guess from a fan perspective, there is because we need like the fourth 142 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,240 thing is every single fan, the one thing Clippers fans have united on in 143 00:09:58,279 --> 00:10:03,080 this offseason is we need to feel the four position. So I guess that's 144 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,679 all I see incoming to find room for Martin. Yeah, and I mean 145 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:13,120 there's still well, the thing is is like we just can't sign guys out 146 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:16,559 right because if if even if you're looking at the market right now and you're 147 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,200 thinking, you know, maybe a Christian Wood or an Urey is somebody who's 148 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,960 like gettable at what the Clips can offer, you still got to offload a 149 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,360 lot of money before even start to think to talk about that. Yeah, 150 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,159 I just think Kenyan Martin Junior is such a breath of fresh air, kind 151 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:35,240 of like Balls Highland, but add more of a I don't want to say 152 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:41,039 position of need, because the point guard position also is something that I think 153 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,679 it's I think it's a position age of need or age. It's just getting 154 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:52,159 younger, finding ways to get younger as your stars age. I think that's 155 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:56,399 where it has to be for to have young guys with bounce that can play 156 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,120 heavier minutes during the regular season. We can't us rely on Russell Westbrook being 157 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:05,799 able to play every night. There has to be some young guys that can 158 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:11,960 do that and develop while playing good enough basketball and being featured in roles where 159 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,519 they can thrive. I just don't think the Clippers have had this element since 160 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,039 Monsta Tres, since Montrese Harold. Of a guy like Kenyan Martin Junior that 161 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,440 can just go up and throw down whatever and that pick and roll game that 162 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:26,759 I'm hoping he can play off of. I think it'll be really interesting. 163 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,679 Man, the names right now, if you're not watching us on YouTube at 164 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,480 Clippers podcasts are going off. Yeah, the second unit idea, like the 165 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:41,080 three man lineup of Terrence, Bones and Martin, that's gonna be fun to 166 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,919 watch. And whatever minutes they find for that trio with showtime plumb out there 167 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,559 and then whoever at that other position, that'll be a fun little bench unit. 168 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:54,519 We're talking to some Clippers now who've returned. Russell Westbrook is back. 169 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:58,279 Signed a two year, seven point eight million dollar contract with the player option 170 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:01,440 now for this upcoming season. It's all that we could offer. He didn't 171 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,279 take some kind of hometown discount. This is the most the Clippers could have 172 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:11,000 offered seemingly. I mean, he's say the hometown discount in that he took 173 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:15,159 what the team was that he wanted to stay with, could possibly maximum give. 174 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:16,480 But did we did he get any other offers? Do we know? 175 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:20,679 I don't no shade on I generally just don't know Derek. Like people were 176 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,679 there's some crazy point guard money going around. I didn't see any fan fridge. 177 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,799 I didn't see anything publicly. But maybe his intentions, you know, 178 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:33,399 were fairly clear. I don't know. Yeah, I assume somebody else would 179 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,080 give him more than just three point eight million this season had he wanted to 180 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,360 go there. I think it came down to everybody knew he was coming back 181 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,440 to the Clippers in a similar manner to Austin Reeves was coming back to the 182 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,960 Los Angeles Lakers. Yeah, that's true. So we gotta assume he's a 183 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,240 starting point guard as of July twelfth, five forty five pm, right. 184 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,360 I don't see anyone dethroning Russ right now when you look at the Clippers roster 185 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:07,120 for starting point guard. We basically need what we got from him for twenty 186 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:13,759 one games all of next season, right like we need crash the offensive boards, 187 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,039 hit shots when he's within zero to ten feet of the rim, no 188 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,879 one to take the three, and you know, fix the two to one 189 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:26,159 assistant turnover ratio. Oh my god, something happened with Will's camera, but 190 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,039 he does seem to be here still. But so how are we feeling about 191 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,279 the return? I think we kind of knew this was happening, Adam, 192 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,559 while Will figures this camera situation out, how are you feeling? What are 193 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:41,320 your expecting? You're hoping it proves to be a bargain. I don't think 194 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:46,600 he's going to shoot thirty six percent from three over entire season, but like 195 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:50,679 I said before, if he shot thirty three percent or above that you're in 196 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,840 good shape. And limited attempts per game. He's done that twice in his 197 00:13:54,960 --> 00:14:00,960 career, and that's discounting what he did in the Clippers and limited on last 198 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,000 season in just the twenty plus games. But I think they were in need 199 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:11,519 of an emotional leader after Patrick Beverlely left, and somebody that can be more 200 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,080 of a floor raiser in the regular season because the lack of availability with two 201 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:24,159 stars and Russ in that way, not missing games and just being a stabilizing 202 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,600 factor out there on the court just for the sake of availability. I think 203 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,600 it's meaningful for this group. I think guys do get inspired playing next next 204 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:37,399 to Russell Westbrook. Everybody seems to love them. PG talked about it. 205 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:41,080 He said that he changed the culture, which we talked about it with tomayher 206 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:50,879 Man. Why don't you change the culture? Yes, the vibes, that's 207 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:54,559 what Russ is bringing. If it's helping the guys believe to play better, 208 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:58,360 that's good. You look at the offensive rating numbers with PG and Kawhi. 209 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,360 It was just two hundred and thirty minutes, so it's not a large sample 210 00:15:01,399 --> 00:15:09,320 size. Offense offensive rating one hundred and ten point five not good, defensive 211 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:15,919 rating one oh five point four phenomenal, net rating five point two not necessarily 212 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,960 good. Um, but this is where we're at. What like what this 213 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:26,039 feels weird? Because for Russ's scenario, he played as well as we I 214 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:31,480 think most people could have expected him to play right like better. I mean 215 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,480 I'd be willing to say better, sure, for sure, And I just 216 00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:37,879 like I just think we expect him next year, like is it gonna get 217 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,080 It has to be as good as it was for twenty one games the whole 218 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,320 time next season. So let's say it is right. Yeah, let's say 219 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:52,919 best case scenario, he stays available and it is that same similar level of 220 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:58,519 production which did Habits up and up and down. Yeah. U the Clippers, 221 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:00,200 you know, looking at the West and how other teams have improved, 222 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:07,559 are a playing team maybe six at best, Like I will say, I'm 223 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,360 just saying, like so far in his Clippers off season, like looking at 224 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,120 what we got, unless we get a massive uptick in the amount of games 225 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,159 played between Paul George and Kawhi Leonard, like this is if you get russed 226 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,799 at the level that he was, this is a playing team, well maybe 227 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:27,200 slightly above. I think the difference could be and we don't know because he's 228 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:32,600 coming off another knee injury that hopefully Kawhi can hit the ground running and not 229 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,039 have this ramp up process like we saw going into last season where he was 230 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,240 coming off the bench at first. It was really awkward because he got back 231 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,159 to his regular minutes. He played some of, if not the best regular 232 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,840 season basketball of his career. And for as much as people have criticized, 233 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,960 hey, they weren't even good even when Kawhi Leonard and Paul George were on 234 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,759 the court, they still weren't a lead out there. Well, there were 235 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:59,639 fourteen games over five hundred when Kawhi played. They were at a six thirty 236 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:03,279 win percentage. The Denver Nuggets, who won the championship were at a six 237 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,359 forty win percentage last season, so I would say they still were pretty darned 238 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,000 good even though yes, there were still a lack of continuity. They still 239 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:15,160 hadn't clicked in for a long enough period of time where I think fans felt 240 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,480 comfortable saying they are an elite championship contender. But they still punch the Phoenix 241 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,599 Suns in the mouth in Game one and came out and looked like a team 242 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:26,079 that was going to win that series had Kawhi Leonard just stayed healthy even without 243 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:30,880 Paul George. So there were still I think a lot of positives and reasons 244 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,519 to believe that, Yeah, if they just could get closer to playing sixty 245 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:40,839 games plus continuity with the backups and not having a guard situation like we did 246 00:17:40,839 --> 00:17:44,799 to start off last season with John Wall and Luke Kennard and Reggie Jackson, 247 00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:51,960 and having a stabilizing force also at the backup center position with Mason Plumbly now 248 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:56,000 sign which we'll get into a little bit more at a second here. I 249 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,960 think their ceiling or their floor is definitely higher than what started off as last 250 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,920 season. Now we didn't know what Kawai's minutes or what he was going to 251 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,240 look like. I'm hoping we have a better idea going into this season. 252 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:12,720 And what Lawrence Frank is saying, they expect him to be ready for training 253 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:18,200 camp coming off the meniscus cleanup surgery is true. When does training camp start 254 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:26,279 September Tuesday? All right, sometime between next Tuesday in September. Yeah, 255 00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:27,079 I don't know if you guys saw it, but they put out I can't 256 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:30,519 remember what betting site put out, like the wind totals for like each division 257 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:34,400 for basketball, the Clippers they don't have one up because they're just like we 258 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,640 don't know, like we have no idea what the availability is going to be, 259 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:42,920 which I think is totally fair. Like I think, what would you 260 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:49,319 bet the line at if you were Vegas. So Pg's coming in healthy. 261 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,680 We know Adam has to like cover his ears and his eyes or whatever. 262 00:18:52,720 --> 00:19:00,519 Want we talk about this, but like so if fifty I'd feel like two 263 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:03,599 and a half. No, I'm saying you're setting the line. You're Vegas. 264 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:11,039 Oh I'm Vegas. Fifty one and a half, fifty and a half. 265 00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:14,799 I'd go fifty and a half. So they'd have to win fifty one 266 00:19:14,839 --> 00:19:18,720 to get over your Vegas. Brittany is tapping on your shoulder as we speak. 267 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,400 Man, I don't even want but so rest like, but I did 268 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,640 like what Will said. We're essentially as of fifty two pm July twelve, 269 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,759 we're running it back right now. Plus kJ Martin, There's probably gonna be 270 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:36,400 some moves made. Part of running it back is Mason Plumly coming back one 271 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,640 year five million dollars. Then he's an unrestricted free agent. He can do 272 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,400 whatever he's gonna do after next year. Can't be traded until December fifteenth, 273 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,440 which I think is something to keep in mind for the people who think that 274 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:52,559 some midseason moves are gonna come. Plumbly who I could see maybe being either 275 00:19:52,599 --> 00:19:55,720 a salary filler, you know, he's kind of a bit, he's filler, 276 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:57,039 and then he can be a veteran dump, you know, contract wise, 277 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:03,400 someone to maybe look out for way down the road past December for someone 278 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,240 to be traded. But this is great, right we got the same backup 279 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:08,960 center we had last year. It feels like forever since we've had the same 280 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:15,400 backup center in like a known role two years in a row. Yeah, 281 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,599 I don't know. It feels like another good margin piece of business by the 282 00:20:18,599 --> 00:20:23,680 clips. I would hope unless Moosa takes a big leave that Mason Plumley is 283 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,240 good for the long haul and somebody they want to keep around for all next 284 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:32,319 season because that contract that's pretty darn tinam friendly five million from a year. 285 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,079 Yeah, you're not gonna do much better than that. Yes, at least 286 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,799 top three backup center in the league. At worst it's him and naz Reid, 287 00:20:41,319 --> 00:20:45,519 Like what are we talking about? No, totally will Where are you 288 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:48,079 out on the plumb dog? Do you have the jersey coming? Or stop 289 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:53,319 asking? I own one jersey and it's because of friends sent it to me. 290 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:59,079 Which jersey is it? It's sick as hell. We'll just nick saban 291 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:07,519 you not answers a stop. I love it. And you know, looking 292 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,240 at last year and sort of how things started, especially all the most like 293 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:15,440 the mosest Brown minutes, Um, I do think that if you were pessimistic 294 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:19,000 after this Clipper season, as I was, and a number of people were 295 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:23,519 just having a legitimate sort of backup center on the roster. I do think 296 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:29,599 that that um, that is an uptick or or a little bit of a 297 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,160 bright side for the Clippers. And you know, Plumbling, they put together 298 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,039 a great highlight real form, Like he's a fun player to watch, designing 299 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:40,200 the basketball to watch. He is a little too fun sometimes. Oh yeah, 300 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,119 absolutely, I'm like, dude, I was trying to find a thumbnail 301 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:48,039 to tweet out. I was using some AI generator and I was trying to 302 00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:52,720 get an AI generated image of Plumbly doing like a Showtime style behind the back 303 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,400 pass a I can't even figure it out yet. So Plumbly is doing things 304 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,640 that A I can't even figure out, which might need to get rained in 305 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:06,839 a bit, but Plumbly Martin uh Man and Bones, who's gonna be that 306 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,799 other person on that second unit? Because that second unit of after that Laces, 307 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,559 We're all right, we're gonna talk about Jason Preston in a couple of 308 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:17,839 segments. That's gonna be fun. He's a good vet to have to you 309 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,799 know, like if Moose is gonna be up with the team. He's a 310 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:22,559 good guy for Moose to learn from. Like, it's a solid it's a 311 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:26,680 great signing. I like the signing. Uh it's Rocco or bat toomb in 312 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:32,039 there or mirror Coffee in there one of those three guys. Possibly, I 313 00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:34,799 don't think it's a mirror. Maybe Rocco. Did you drop who? Who 314 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:40,599 are the four you put up? We got bones EJ Terrence big Plum, 315 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:48,279 EJ kJ okay J. Did you put it in? Norman Powell? Are 316 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,599 you so? Yeah? Norm? Damn damn. That second unit, that 317 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,519 second unit can score the ball. That's one. It feels like, UH, 318 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,240 don't know how they'll really pass it around or planning defense. But we'll 319 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,920 figure all that out later. Coming up, we're gonna be talking more. 320 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,519 Things have to be coming. We'll kind of alluded to it. We're basically 321 00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:07,839 running it back. Some other things have to happen. We're gonna talk to 322 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,839 Harden stuff. But first there's ads and for some people, they've been too 323 00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:14,480 loud. Adam is one of those people. He complains about it constantly and 324 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:18,279 we're not recording. So if you've been one of those wonderful individuals who it's 325 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:22,279 been too loud, go ahead and turn it down. We're talking hardened, 326 00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:26,519 Kawai's extension and then how PG doesn't know how to backcut coming up after these 327 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:32,519 ads and three two one. All right, we are back and we are 328 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:36,000 kind of speculating a little bit about the Clippers off season. Welcome to Clips 329 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,119 and dips. Also, didn't I didn't bring that in right away at Ben 330 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,480 in the segment you somehow got too if you somehow got this far in the 331 00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:45,279 podcast, no idea what you're listening to now, you know. Anyways, 332 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:49,279 we talked a little bit about the Clippers signs thus far, but things have 333 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,960 gotten a little quiet, a little quiet on the Harden front, if you 334 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,440 will. So let's let's talk there because I feel like that has been thus 335 00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:03,599 fall are I mean, depending on how you feel about Malcolm Brogden, probably 336 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:10,240 the largest name that's been attached to the Clippers in this free agency. Where 337 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:14,000 do you want to start, Chuck? I mean, I don't know, 338 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:22,160 Like the hardened, the hardened thing's weird. It's gonna drag ass, So 339 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,680 it's gonna be done in like December, is what it feels like. Because 340 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,400 Marie is an idiot. One thing that's kind of interesting to me about this 341 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,240 is, you know, seems like every year, especially in the koin Paul 342 00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:38,839 George era, you know, you get kind of faint whispers of some disgruntled 343 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:44,519 star wanting to come to the Clippers, somebody you know they're on the list 344 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,480 for a potential trade target. And you know, we've gotten pretty used to 345 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,200 the situations generally a leverage play to see this all the time. This one 346 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:56,599 is so interesting to me because he opted into the contract. There was not 347 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:03,559 more money on the table. He is a sixer for all intents and purposes 348 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:06,480 like that, you know, they it wasn't ever up in the air. 349 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,759 So for this one to kind of get it just feels like there must have 350 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,400 been some some more serious conversations, I guess, is what I'm saying than 351 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,440 maybe some of those other sort of trade whispers that we hear that I don't 352 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,559 normally give a lot of credence to unless we're hearing something directly, you know, 353 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:33,200 from someone close to the team. But yeah, I think it's interesting 354 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,799 because I'm a little unclear how much you're really willing to give up. I 355 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,359 talked about in the last segment, how you know, with the improvement of 356 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:47,000 other Western Conference teams. It does feel like the Clippers, even just from 357 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:51,720 a talent perspective or maybe lagging behind the field a little bit. Certainly don't 358 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,599 have the continuity of other teams, but like just in the raw talent department, 359 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,640 or maybe lagging behind some of their Western Conference competitors. But at the 360 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:07,279 same time, you're talking about an expiring contract for you know, an aging 361 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,279 player UFA after the next season two. Yeah, Like, I can understand 362 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:18,920 why you're not really willing to do much more than aggregate salary plus I would 363 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,799 say there was I would say one pick has most likely been on the table 364 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,039 unless they're not serious about this acquisition at all. They're completely un serious about 365 00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:32,279 the acquisition. The no pick has been offered. But beyond that offer, 366 00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:37,799 which I get isn't the tastiest. It's not off You mean they don't want 367 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:41,079 Roco Nico and like a pick and more and yeah, and a pick, 368 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,799 Like, I don't really know how much you're willing to go in on this. 369 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:53,400 I mean, considering Philly isn't exactly having a sell offer looking to rebuild 370 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,720 when you have joelm beat there. That means they have to get something substantial 371 00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:04,519 back a playable guy that helps them today. Otherwise, why not for James 372 00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:08,319 Harden with one year left on his deedle? Right, That's kind of what 373 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:11,400 I'm saying, because the Clippers aren't the only person in this situation. It's 374 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,039 like, or how much are we willing to put in the pot for us? 375 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:22,519 An expiring that can walk? It hasn't exactly shown the utmost loyalty or 376 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,119 dedication to a team, no disrespect. They do have Norman Palace former coach, 377 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,359 and Nick Nurse, which I think makes things interesting. And I'm sure 378 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:37,359 some combination of him or Terrence Man or both along with the first round pick 379 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,599 and then one of those fourds you talked to way too fucking much that I'm 380 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:47,119 sorry, that's try to try to win your first championship. It's what I 381 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,640 don't package specific. I don't think that that's getting it done. And like 382 00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:52,720 the window, you know we talked about it. Do you think it's more 383 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:02,480 like you think it'd be like Terrence and Norm? Like me? Yeah? 384 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:04,759 Like will like do you think they'd walt like Terrence and Norm? I mean 385 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,200 if I'm the Sixers, totally, if I'm the Clippers, I mean, 386 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,240 I mean, no way you can't ask me. It's just way too high. 387 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:15,200 Like we just talked to him the last segment about you know with kJ 388 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,039 Martin, like it's a move in the right direction to get younger, you're 389 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:22,680 gonna trade out I mean norm who isn't young but comparatively to some of this 390 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:30,920 roster and your youngest rotation player. I mean, I don't know. I 391 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,559 think that at that you're you're for you it's championship or bust basically in one 392 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:40,799 season you maybe have to if he comes back. Yeah, if he comes 393 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:44,119 back, is that not where they're at? Anyways? Are they not in 394 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,720 that championship or bust window already? No, was not traded for Scoop. 395 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:53,920 It didn't happen. I don't think Portland wanted that. But that's besides the 396 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:59,279 point, because I do like the way that you guys are kind of debating 397 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:03,960 each side is what I feel like exactly why this is going to drag out 398 00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:10,440 until maybe that post December trade deadline or something like that for guys who are 399 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,960 eligible to trade. I think if it gets done, I think it happens 400 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,759 in the season. It's definitely not an easy decision for either side, I 401 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,759 think, right because he's under contract in Philly. Yeah, he has to 402 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,759 play to earn the money and to try to get that next contract, so 403 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,799 he doesn't have a ton of leverage depending on what kind of stink he makes 404 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:36,559 to try to get out of there. And there was a report earlier today 405 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:41,079 from Ramona Shellborne that he still wants to be traded, while Dave mcbenneman was 406 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:45,160 saying things have cooled off a little bit, so who knows exactly what's happening 407 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:51,359 behind the scenes. There was some cryptic pictures on Instagram with him with Tobias 408 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,079 Harris and with Joel Embiid. I think Patrick Beverley quotes because he's got sign 409 00:29:56,079 --> 00:30:00,759 by the Sixers, so he's like, I really hope he stays. Is 410 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:04,440 he hell bet? Or is he looking for changes in upgrades? And the 411 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:11,880 head coach still wasn't enough for him being moved out? Yeah, how do 412 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,240 other than Mike D'Antoni does Jane's trying to care about any head coach? Well, 413 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:22,640 it seemed like him and weren't getting along. There seemed to be something 414 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,359 there. I mean, who could have seen that coming? A guy who 415 00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:30,880 flames out in the playoffs pairs up with a coach who can't coach in the 416 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,119 playoffs and throws guys under the bus. What's the end of that story? 417 00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:41,200 A beautiful and meaningful friendship. So, Adam, what is your You walk 418 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,400 into Lawrence's office, you say you're fired? Adam, time excuse me? 419 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,359 And now you're the GM. What's the trade? You're not going to do 420 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,119 that. I would pay to see you try and do that. But what's 421 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:59,119 the trade you're offering for James Harden if you're the Clippers? Like, I 422 00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:03,359 don't want to see anybody go. Of course I love all of these guys, 423 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,839 but if I'm thinking of something realistic that Philadelphia might go for, I 424 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,400 think Terrence Man and Norman Powell have to be involved. It starts there because 425 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,359 they have to get a player that can make up some of the production that 426 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:21,680 Harden gave them. Is much as Tyrese Maxie is improving, you can't just 427 00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:25,680 say, oh, he's gonna supplement everything that James Harden did, which was 428 00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:30,559 lead the league and assists last season. He's still that good. So it's 429 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:37,960 one of them plus either probably the tomb or Roos, a first round pick, 430 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,039 maybe a second round pick if they have a couple more of those hanging 431 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,720 out somewhere they might get the kJ Martin trade. I don't know either, 432 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:49,880 but I think it's a first round pick one of the two top forwards in 433 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,480 Nico and Rocco and either Norm or Terrence Man. And I'm still not convinced 434 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,079 for sure that gets it done. That may be where the Dalemates at right 435 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:06,279 now, where Philadelphia saying yeah, that's something, but we'd still like to 436 00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:08,160 see if we can hold on to James hardly not have to make this move 437 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:15,920 all together. And Daryl and Daryl Morey is the ultimate, maybe there's something 438 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,400 else out there, Like he's the ultimate. I'm gonna wait, I don't 439 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,480 care, like this can take forever, like maybe like Daryl Morey is the 440 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,000 kind of GM to call teams and be like you want James and they're like 441 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:29,039 no, and he's like but what about that? And they're like stop it 442 00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:36,240 likes And that's what makes it hard because we're dealing with another GM who kind 443 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:40,440 of drags shit out and has a strong relationship with James Harden, just like 444 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,240 Mike D'Antoni had, which will brought up before this is Daryl Morris, a 445 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:50,079 guy that he said yeah on paper, he scores more points per possession than 446 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:54,799 Michael Jordan, so he certainly has man what a thing to say? What 447 00:32:55,039 --> 00:33:00,559 a why? I know it's accurate that you're a wild ass. Things you 448 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:05,799 can say. I don't recall if he said that means he's for sure better 449 00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:08,519 than Michael Jordan. You can compare errors or whatever. But yeah, it's 450 00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:13,920 not going to be easy for him to give up on this guy. You 451 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,720 may have to throw another sweetener in there. I don't know. Would they 452 00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:20,920 want bones? Would they would they want to get bones in there as well? 453 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,160 Would you guys want to do that? Brandon Boston Junior? Because what 454 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,279 does Joel Embid want to You mentioned the Joel Embiid stuff like on with the 455 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,480 Instagram picks, Like you know, Joel Embiid has a voice in this right 456 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:34,559 he wants to win. Like if there's any semblance that they are starting to 457 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,079 tear things down or becoming a worst team than they were this past season. 458 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:44,039 They haven't gone to the Eastern Conference finals since they've had Joel Embiid, that 459 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,160 is a really bad look. And then then he's been a drop Is he's 460 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,720 asking out? Yeah, he's been through the If any there's no athlete. 461 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:57,599 I think in any sport currently that has more of a right to say I'm 462 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,279 done with this scenario if it goes than Joel embeat the man has been with 463 00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:07,359 the seventy six. He was the process. I think the best might be 464 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,639 heading for that imminently, though I agree with that. You yeah, I 465 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,960 wouldn't want it. They could, but you don't want to be the GM 466 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,880 who asked to do it, Like I'd rather get fired before. Will you 467 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:22,159 look at you look at Toronto and how they never wanted to trade van Fleet 468 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,119 and then he just walks and they don't get anything for him. But they 469 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:30,039 had the ring Messiah Jerry has the credibility, thanks k sure, but they 470 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:35,880 made good moves along the way. The trade that's out there that seems the 471 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,239 most realistic, even though it's convoluted, is a three teamer where Dame goes 472 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,760 to Philly, where James Harden goes to the Clippers in Portland, ends up 473 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,360 with young guys in draft picks. Right, yeah, I would love that. 474 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:53,880 Where the problem is you have Dame wanting to direct Dame and put a 475 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,840 mandate on where he goes now, and I still you know, who knows 476 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,599 if that's how much that is him, how much that is his agent speaking 477 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:06,559 for him, because I gotta believe if he ended up in Philly next to 478 00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:09,159 Joel Embid, the best player by far he's ever played next to. I 479 00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:12,840 don't think Damian Lillard is gonna make that much of a stink about it. 480 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,920 I really don't show up unhappy or whatever those insane reports. He's not going 481 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:21,320 to hold out and not get paid that money from the Supermax extension that he 482 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,159 got, or if he went to the Clippers. I don't think that would 483 00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:27,639 happen either. I think he would settle it. We know what we know 484 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,599 Lillard on the Clippers will What would you give up for Lillard? You would 485 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:38,159 both of us, Paul George and my two co hosts thank you now, 486 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,679 Like Paul George for Damian Lillard doesn't really make any sense. No, for 487 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:49,840 Portland's I just offered that you wouldn't send a Philly for James for Dame, 488 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,760 Yeah, because he's got more years left, even though you know, like 489 00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:57,440 Aging Guard, I don't love the end of that contract. I don't even 490 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,519 know how you can. I don't have the numbers running for me how you 491 00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:06,599 can make the math work for those three superstars plus managed to have any other 492 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,559 semblance of the team on the floor. I really don't know how that works. 493 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,199 J Martin. Bro Cap goes up about ten percent for your voice. 494 00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:16,760 Yeah, we're on the we're on like yeah, with the new CBA, 495 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,320 we're like wearing three aprons or whatever the new thing you are, Like, 496 00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:25,480 you give up though, Terrence in norm in a situation for Dame plus a 497 00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:30,400 first round pick and Roke overber two. Yeah, but they got to absorb 498 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:37,519 Mooris of course has to be gone. I mean, and I man like, 499 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:40,440 if you're going that all in? He's at forty five mill this year 500 00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:45,360 and then forty eight million dollars the next year. Holy, and when does 501 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,599 he get to sixty plus when he's at thirty seven, when he's thirty yeah, 502 00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:55,280 thirty five, he's at fifty eight thirty six a cool sixty three million 503 00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,519 dollars player option. He might opt out, go for a go for more 504 00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:05,079 money after all those ships, four guy, ye afew in three chips in 505 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,719 four years. Why wouldn't you have now? I also would do it. 506 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,599 I love Damian Lillard. I like him more than the next team he goes 507 00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:15,599 to. Yes, the next team he goes to, he's going to be 508 00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:21,639 in for a shock when he actually gets criticized for not playing much defense and 509 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,039 being a liability on that end. He's gotten buy in Portland for so long. 510 00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:30,679 He's beloved there because of everything he does and giving them a chance, 511 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,800 and he's their favorite son and everything. But once the championship expectations become much 512 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,719 more realistic and much more real as they would to whatever team he goes to, 513 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,400 because that's why they're doing it. All of a sudden, his flaws 514 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,679 are going to get picked at a heck of a lot more. Yeah, 515 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,719 that's a good call, speaking of kind of other years. And so basically 516 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,519 we're just waiting for any real news from this hardened thing. There's there was 517 00:37:53,559 --> 00:38:00,159 some heat, now it's cooled off. Sources twittering that Terrence Man as the 518 00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:04,519 hold up, but who knows. Let me throw out this And regarding James 519 00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:07,960 Harden and this is one of the reasons I'm most for it, because I 520 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:13,880 think it would give the Clippers a better excuse to bring Russell Westbrook off the 521 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,039 bench where I think he's best suited running the show with the second unit and 522 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,760 raising their floor. I think if you have James Harden. You can make 523 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,760 that argument and say, look, we got up start James Harden. He's 524 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,559 the guy led the league and assist last season over you. We want you 525 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:32,719 to run the show and be the star, and then offense centered around you 526 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,719 with the bench. Yeah, does that make sense? I think it does 527 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,880 make sense. Are Russ Russell Harden are cool? There's no weird shit. 528 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,320 I don't remember any bad juju which I obviously Russell's moved to Washington and they 529 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,719 brought in John Wall, but I don't think it was I can't remember something 530 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,719 between him and Hardened Harden and CP three may have never worked before. Why 531 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:04,400 wouldn't it work now? All right? It never works until it does, 532 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,280 all right? So as of today, Andrew Greife put out a wonderful piece 533 00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:13,159 on the LA Times. Also, just real quick, please support local newspaper 534 00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:16,599 beat writers. Sports journalism in terms of print and beat writers is in hell 535 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,000 right now. And if you'll like a local beat writer, please support them, 536 00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,440 subscribe, do some shit to help him out. We all need more 537 00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:30,320 local actual sports reporting in our lives. Kawhi is extension eligible. As of 538 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:36,280 big wigs. Oh, I don't I support literal big wigs, but not 539 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,400 the big wigs and the fatcats who you know run this dang old country. 540 00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:45,880 Kawhi is extension eligible as of today. He has until June thirtieth of next 541 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:52,559 year to sign a four year extension contingent on if he declines his player option 542 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,719 for the twenty four twenty five season, or he can sign a three year 543 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:02,440 extension on October twenty third if he opts into the contractum. According to a 544 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,920 person with knowledge of extension timetables, which what a credit to having a newspaper 545 00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:10,360 that was me, Actually, I don't believe that, no disrespect, I 546 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:19,599 don't believe that. Uh. He also he had some quotes from anonymous executives 547 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,920 that would be wary of giving Kawai the full extension due to injury and due 548 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:30,360 to low trade value and all this stuff. Um the ramuses, Yeah, 549 00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:31,559 yeah, he asked. Yeah, he just went across the all where you 550 00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:35,360 guys at he wants a full extension for Kawai. Is that what we're probably 551 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,840 gonna see? That's an all timer right there. Appenheimer. Guys, bro, 552 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,320 don't even get me started. I am so hyped for Oppenheimer. Um, 553 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:50,119 the guy are you giving? I? Can you can like more movies. 554 00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:52,920 There's a movie. You have your palette, Adam. You can watch 555 00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:57,159 different kinds of movies. One day, I'll watch m I five. Next 556 00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:01,079 day I'll watch Past Lives. I don't care movies or movie. Cannibal hologost 557 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,320 Yeah, great movie. Um all right, um, Adam's bad movie takes 558 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,920 aside, Adam, would you sign Kauai to the to let's call it four 559 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,320 for two twenty, that's the opt out two twenty, that's that's the Matt. 560 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,400 Yeah, if you have to. I think there's going to be a 561 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:28,000 negotiation. Just looking at this quote in the Andrew Griff article, and this 562 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,360 was coming off the presser on Draft Night with Lawrence Frank, where he said, 563 00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,480 quote and you know, we'll just have the dialogue and just have very 564 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:42,679 very honest and open conversations and see if there's something that makes sense for all 565 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,199 sides unquote. It's gonna be I think some hard negotiations going on. I 566 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,159 don't think it's going to be an easy process. I don't know. I'm 567 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:57,239 just trying to read the tea leaves here and considering Kawai's only played in fifty 568 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,519 two percent of the possible three hundred plus regular season games that the Clippers have 569 00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:08,039 had since he's been here over the four years. And it's not easy because 570 00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:14,719 I don't think we've ever seen a player this elite that also has been this 571 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:20,320 injury prone, someone who has been a number one option on championship teams, 572 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,199 that can absolutely get you to the promised Land, that can win a first 573 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,559 round series against Kevin Durant even without Paul George, I think you would have. 574 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,800 But also there's that injury bub that he can't seem to get over, 575 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,800 and it's with that right leg, and he just had meniscus a clean up 576 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,159 on that right knee coming out of the playoffs series. So I don't know. 577 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,079 I think you have to if I'm talking about going all in and as 578 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:50,840 championship or bust, whatever it takes. But it may not take the entire 579 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:58,440 max to get the deal done. Well, yeah, I think it has 580 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:04,119 to be a conversation. There's just I just don't know that you can offer 581 00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:07,239 I don't know that you can offer the full because if you offer it, 582 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,880 he's just gonna be like, yep, like no problem, Well is anyone 583 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,920 else gonna do it? Like that could maybe be the benefit of that New 584 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,159 York Knicks Report with Paul George. If you don't have the leverage of saying 585 00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,719 why I could just go somewhere else and get the extension because all these executives 586 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,119 offering it. Yeah, all these executives are like, we don't know, 587 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,519 like what maybe they're colluding could be. But I do like that, Like 588 00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:34,559 if you're like, yeah, well you're definitely are a lowballing Kawhi. What 589 00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:39,360 if we paid Kawhi a million dollars per game played? How about that this 590 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:45,840 is a great deal for him. You can offer one contract on your team, 591 00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:49,159 uh price per game. You can offer PPG price per game. That's 592 00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:52,119 the new stat that the new cbafer. Well, I guess so, I 593 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:55,280 guess My other thing would be I don't know one else about this. The 594 00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,239 CBA, especially like the with the current updates, like art has it all, 595 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,800 print it out all six hundred and seventy six pages if you want it. 596 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,440 We talked about it last time. Is that his next jersey just a 597 00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:13,000 CBA jersey? Yeah, CBA and the number is six seventy six on the 598 00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:16,920 back of it. Um, Like, the only way I think it's getting 599 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:22,400 close to that is if you can make it heavily incentive driven like if you 600 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,360 can, you know, like if the guarantee like like let's say we offer 601 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,639 him four for two twenty, but the guaranteed money is you know, so 602 00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:34,840 you're almost think like a lot closer to half that you're almost in like NFL 603 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,719 contract territory. I mean no, I'm not like an interesting take. That's 604 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,079 if you're interesting idea if you want that number, and you know, of 605 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:52,679 course who wouldn't um and obviously you know they're gonna do everything they can to 606 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,639 keep Kauai. Are you willing to put it on the line? I you 607 00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:00,920 know, I don't know. It seems a little bit though, like then 608 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:06,800 you're challenging whether or not he could have played in some of these games, 609 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,239 and it's not really about how much he's actually been injured. Has nothing to 610 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,719 do with the past. Man has to do with the future. Okay, 611 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,559 but we know what the past is and we can't erase what's been happening over 612 00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:25,760 the last four years, like the reason it happened, Patty. If the 613 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:32,119 past didn't matter and we were just talking about oh Kawhi Leonards won multiple NBA 614 00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:37,000 finals MVPs, then they wouldn't even try to negotiate. They just say, 615 00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:38,440 oh, this is this is a guy who on paper you just have to 616 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:43,719 give the max to how many years ago? Though my guy, Like I'm 617 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,320 saying, so the past does matter, right because of what's transpired over the 618 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,000 last four years. But it is kind of a weird scenario, as you 619 00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:54,079 said, like we might see some incentives. I don't know if it'll be 620 00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:59,159 crazy heavy like half the contract, but I could see some incentives in there, 621 00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:02,920 worded in a way that isn't disrespectful to the fact that he's actually hurt. 622 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,639 I mean, like tours ACL tried to win the championship. Like he's 623 00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:13,519 not getting hurt for no reason. He Look, he played in game two 624 00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:15,519 on the meniscus. Like, look, I don't want to get into a 625 00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:19,719 conversation because I don't think that this is any fault of theirs. I don't 626 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,159 think the Kauhi is choosing not to play or anything like that, but like 627 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:28,239 he's as acutely aware of how many games he's played as we are in the 628 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,519 front office. Is Like, you know, I'm not saying that if you 629 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,119 give him an incentive way in thing like that, it might you know, 630 00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:39,440 that might be a sign of bad faith, but I mean he all, 631 00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:45,760 like you know, he also knows what the marketplace could be like league wide 632 00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:51,119 where he were to opt out. Here's a question for you. Would the 633 00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:53,679 teams are spending money at the teams that the teams that can throw two or 634 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,719 twenty million dollars at you? That's where do you want to play, QUI 635 00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:00,880 right, Yeah, you want to go to Charpotte, That's where you want 636 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,719 to run things out. Here's a question. Would you give the max contract 637 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:10,199 to a player who admittedly doesn't know how to backcut? Absolutely not. You 638 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:15,760 mean the guy who had a three sixty dunk on a backcut right before, 639 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,880 but he didn't even know how to backcut. I'm just I'm just doing this 640 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,079 to give you a shit specifically, Adam, Like you guys are losing the 641 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:25,519 podcast p Battle. Everybody's loving it, but you two. I'm gonna be 642 00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:29,880 through it. It's true. No, it's not. They're cold at the 643 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,519 best NBA podcast out there besides clips and did Well. Okay, sure, 644 00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:37,519 low bar. If we're number one, that's a low bar. Low bar 645 00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:44,440 maybe sixty five says anyway. So if I was in the negotiating room with 646 00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:47,760 PG, I would say, Paul I'm gonna slide you a number. Why 647 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,760 don't you go ahead and take a look. Tell me what you think. 648 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,800 I dramatically slide a piece of print, your paper, across a very paper. 649 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,599 It's a big sheet of paper. Oh yeah, it's a fool. 650 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,920 You know. You should slide laser printer. You slide when you're in like 651 00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:06,159 art class and you have to get a big piece of paper off the thing 652 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,920 and rip it across the like the big cutter. That's where you're sliding across 653 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,400 the table. Yeah, and once they get it up and he's going, 654 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,159 this is just a blank piece of printer paper, And I'm saying, what 655 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:24,400 do you say, buddy? Four for zero. I do think part of 656 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,239 the leverage the front office has is not just the injuries. They know what's 657 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,800 been going on in the last few years. Not just that if that report 658 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:37,239 is true about the New York Knicks, but we think overall in the NBA 659 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,280 right now, there aren't a lot of teams that would likely give them the 660 00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:45,400 max extension. But they also want to be home. That's part of the 661 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,360 reason they became Clippers to begin with. So you have that working in your 662 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,559 favor when you're going through these negotiations. Right, Yeah, it's again the 663 00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:58,519 Clippers find themselves in multiple Yeah. One are of these guys Edwards Sharp and 664 00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:06,159 the Magnetic Zeros a joke that I I don't get it. I don't know 665 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:13,880 the reference that I'd like to that terrible song let Me Come Home. Stop 666 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:19,199 clapper of music, stop clapp um. Yeah, I don't know. Like 667 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,760 the Clippers are just in quagmire after quagmire is what it feels like. The 668 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,840 contract negotiations are going to be a quagmire of the Harden things. And this 669 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,159 is partly This isn't their fault. It's just like we're in the age of 670 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:35,119 quagmires right now for the Clippers. Too many quagmires. Theoretically you should have 671 00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:38,559 none. It's not a family guy, all right, Wheels off the pod. 672 00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:44,320 Coming up. We are gonna be talking just Adam and I are gonna 673 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,599 be talking some summer league. This is why I've been gone. This was 674 00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:52,519 actually not a planned absence by me. There was a forced absence. They 675 00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:54,119 were just like, yeah, yeah, we're gonna record later. But you 676 00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:57,880 know, it sounds like you're pretty busy if you've got something going on. 677 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,559 Man, Totally cool, dude, unless you got one of those Nick Batoon 678 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:07,559 jokes. Again. That's a classic that he was a classic bro. It's 679 00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:09,639 season two, season two, episode three. We're starting hot. Um, 680 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,360 all right, the we're coming up? Were we talking the summer league? 681 00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,360 Who's impressed? Who still can't get by anybody no matter what position they seem 682 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,440 to play? Uh, that's going up. The ads have been a little 683 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,159 loud. So if that's been loud for you, go ahead and turn it 684 00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,559 down. We had ads coming up in the summer league talk in three two 685 00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:29,760 one. Welcome back into Clipson, Dimp. I'm out of Maslin. It 686 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,119 is season two, episode three of season two. If you missed season one, 687 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,280 well you can go back and then try to guess who shot mister Burns 688 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:42,480 or whatever the hell because we revealed and it was mapisode one of season it 689 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:47,079 was Maggie shot mister Burns. We all thought, So there is some summer 690 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:54,960 league going around at the moment, and today it's a virus. I did, 691 00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:59,840 I did. I was sitting on the couch the other day and Hannah 692 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,119 was like, what basketball are you watching? I was like, summer league. 693 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,320 She goes, what a summer league? Which I've explained many times and 694 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,000 It never gets easier to be like, this is the basketball that's before training 695 00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:17,039 camp of guys who might not make the league but might Well, it's way 696 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:22,599 easier to sell if your team actually like has sucked, like draft equity or 697 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,360 like, yeah, you know, it makes a lot more sense. You 698 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:32,079 know. Yeah, I uh watched the game earlier today, partly just on 699 00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:37,599 the fact that Noah Eagle, yeah, Clippers radio voice, was on the 700 00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:43,760 call an NBA TV with three D Dennis Scott. It was fantastic. Felt 701 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,760 like he gave the Clippers a little more love on every make Now he didn't. 702 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,440 He's a professional like that. They were, they were taken on. 703 00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:54,400 God the hell was the team they were playing today? It was the Memphis 704 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,880 Grizzlies because they have one of the biggest players in Summer League looking like hode 705 00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:04,920 Or against the Clippers and Kenny Lofton Junior, no relation to the former baseball 706 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,480 player who was kind of an All World athlete. I think he did a 707 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,559 few different things. But Clippers ended up getting the victory there two and one 708 00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:15,360 now in the three games in Summer League going back to last Saturday. But 709 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:22,480 you mentioned it before the break, Jason Preston didn't exactly shine, and he's 710 00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:25,559 such as like that's the thing. He has the vision. The vision is 711 00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:30,039 so there. He can pass with either hand. It's just like there's something 712 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,079 about it. Man. When he gets the ball in his hands and the 713 00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:37,639 guys in front of him, he just says, uh, there's no way 714 00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:42,039 to go around this player. Like it's got it's an aggression thing. His 715 00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:45,480 size at the point guard position is good, it's just not he doesn't have 716 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:50,320 the first step. He does not have the first step. Yeah, I 717 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,760 wonder you know, is that something because he had the foot injury his rookie 718 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,280 season, if he lost a little bit of that juice because of that. 719 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,599 I don't know. He didn't even have juice to begin with, is the 720 00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:05,159 issue. It's not like he went from crazy first step to no first step. 721 00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:09,159 He went from kind of a first step to no first step. The 722 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:14,679 blogging juice was evident, though. Oh man, his WPM, I'll tell 723 00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:17,079 you what highest WPM in the league, probably Jason Preston. He's probably at 724 00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:22,679 buck fifteen words per minute would be. Well, you've been traditionally the Jason 725 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,079 Preston hater on this podcast, which is weird for a guy who hasn't played 726 00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,639 much in the NBA. Do you want to start with your assessment on his 727 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,119 I like that Will gets that title. I'm not me was it wasn't he 728 00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:37,800 took? I think he's so bad. I don't think he stinks. He's 729 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,639 just never gonna play for the clip, dude, he's never gonna go. 730 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:45,639 I think it was Will. Yeah, I think he's confirming, all right. 731 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,639 So Jason Preston very good at passing, not good at a whole bunch 732 00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:54,960 of else. Moster, so passing doesn't matter. It doesn't gets Utah on 733 00:53:55,079 --> 00:54:00,679 Saturday? How dare you s Saturday on Saturday in the middle of July is 734 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:07,679 putting up fifteen in Vegas. Musa Diabate didn't play in Wednesday's game because he's 735 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:13,360 been hurt or sick or something. Very energetic Two on three Hoops on their 736 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,440 kind of Primer said that he's a year away. I think that feels pretty 737 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:22,639 fair. Once again, he is a year away from being a year away. 738 00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:27,119 If we start the season with all of the four is currently signed that 739 00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:29,440 we have right now, Yeah, he's not. He doesn't have time. 740 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,480 Interesting fact, Adam, I'm sure you heard this on the broadcast. Tylu 741 00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:39,679 said that Musadia Bate has put up six thousand more shots than any other guy 742 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,039 so far this offseason. Jeez, mamba mentality has that too many shots? 743 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,840 How do you get it to an exact number? He said, Lawrence Frank 744 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,360 keeps track of everything. Was the exact quote. He's got like the little 745 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,400 like the bouncer has, like the little clicker. Yeah, yeah, I 746 00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,840 think he's just doing hash marks on the gym wall. But Merton last out 747 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,480 of practice, Well, he's got to be the last out if he's putting 748 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:07,239 up six thousand extra shots, So he's splitting up the three like it's just 749 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,840 a lot. What if he did all in one day? But I think, 750 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,400 yeah, probably another year away. Kobe Brown, though the shot has 751 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:22,480 not been there in the Summer league. Four seventeen from three. Everything else 752 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:28,559 there in summer League. He's grabbing boards like he's really active, got a 753 00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,559 good handle. I like it. I'm really excited to see what he does 754 00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:37,119 in the G League this year. Like he gets the personality mold I feel 755 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:38,800 like for the kind of guy the Clippers are looking for. Yeah, I'm 756 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,559 I've liked what the limited stuff I've really been able to catch from Kobe Brown. 757 00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:45,239 Adam. What do you think. No, I've been oppressed with his 758 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,559 ball handling and some of his playmaking out there, like the way he brings 759 00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:53,480 the ball up the floor. He's so comfortable. It's weird to see a 760 00:55:53,519 --> 00:56:00,639 guy that size play with the basketball. And because he's big, he's he's 761 00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:05,360 not Zion, but he's big, he's strong. It looks like Anthony Mason 762 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,360 a little bit late great Anthony Mason out there. So he has a skill 763 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:14,559 set. Obviously the shots haven't been following, but when they do, it 764 00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:17,239 looks really good. His form looks nice. I think that's gonna be the 765 00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,280 biggest thing for him. Is that three point shooting from his senior year where 766 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,679 he shot forty six percent going to translate at all. It doesn't need to 767 00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:28,079 be that he'll be thirty eight percent at all. Yeah, it could be 768 00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:30,280 thirty five percent. Like, if he's gonna do everything else that he's doing, 769 00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:35,480 he's gonna be that bench guy who comes in you're like, oh shit, 770 00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:38,639 okay, cool, thanks, Kobe Brown Like, yeah, It's it's 771 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:46,119 less about accentuating your strength sometimes as a young player and more on just minimizing 772 00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:51,400 the miscuse and not standing out by not fitting in Actually, for a Tylou 773 00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:52,800 coach team, he has enough of those with the guys who are already on 774 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,360 the team. If you're a young guy, you can't be making mistakes. 775 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,519 Jordan Miller room to grow. I don't know, nothing super special, that's 776 00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:07,159 like popped out. I liked him in game one. I think he had 777 00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:09,719 twelve points, four assists, a zero turnovers. And he is long, 778 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,800 like he's listened at six to seven. He's got the long wingspan he projects. 779 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,639 I know he's twenty three and still an older player too, but he 780 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:24,679 looks the part. He looks like your modern NBA switchable, versatile type of 781 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,800 player. Whether or not he ends up having the instincts and it all comes 782 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,559 together for him, I don't know, but the body type is certainly there. 783 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:36,920 Yeah. But again, Miller lte Jordan out there. I like that. 784 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,159 Actually, that's a great nickname. Will's back, Well, the jokes 785 00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:45,320 are back. And then Xavier Moon, who clearly is the best player on 786 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,639 the Summer League team because he's twenty eight years old and has played more in 787 00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:52,079 the NBA than anyone else, and I believe has scored. This is not 788 00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:57,320 an exaggeration, Like sixty five percent of his points in the fourth quarter over 789 00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,639 the three games the Clippers have played like that. I think it might be 790 00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:06,159 higher legit. I'm gonna Russo had a stat for it. Um. But 791 00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:08,440 he's a guy who like and I don't want this to come off as weird. 792 00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:14,840 I feel bad that he's on a summer league team. I think he's 793 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,159 like, I mean, I think that he likes the opportunity to show out 794 00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:22,599 and I mean, like, you know, it's just a bummer. He 795 00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:27,079 just doesn't NBA, which he doesn't. He's so good, he doesn't really 796 00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:30,639 fit in the NBA, especially like he's not the answer at point guard for 797 00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:34,599 the Clippers. Yeah, okay, here we go, quarters one through three 798 00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:38,679 for x Avery Moon in the Summer League nineteen points fourth quarters. That's total 799 00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:45,159 for these three games fourth quarters forty one points. He scored like over fifty 800 00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:49,000 percent of his points in the fourth He's he's a guy who like I see 801 00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:52,480 him as a Clippers coach. And I don't mean that that's not in the 802 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,039 disrespectful way at all. The dude knows how to play NBA basketball. He's 803 00:58:55,079 --> 00:59:00,079 so smart, he's so crafty. He's a he's a guy per Reggie, 804 00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:04,000 like I see him as a coach for I hope he ends up as a 805 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,800 coach for the Clippers if he cannot find a spot on an NBA team, 806 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,199 because and inevitably when he has to stop playing, I hope he comes back 807 00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:15,199 to the Clips as a coach because he just seems like he fits. He'd 808 00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:19,800 fit nice coaching role for the Clippers. I think it's as simple for him 809 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,480 as it's just genetics. If he was a little bit bigger, with the 810 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,519 stuff that he literal the game, he would be fine. I think he 811 00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:29,800 would be fine in the nineties, in the early two thousands. The problem 812 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:35,079 is team's matchup hunts so much more now that if you're under sized defensively, 813 00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:38,239 if you're dominated, they're going to behind you and attack you and spam you. 814 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:43,239 That's it. The skill is there. He's got quickness, he's got 815 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,800 bounced like. That's why he can take over. He's the Jerry West of 816 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,840 fourth quarters in Summer League. Like, I mean, he's literally like the 817 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,360 greatest player in the history of the Canadian Basketball League. Didn't they name the 818 00:59:54,719 --> 01:00:00,599 MVP Award after him? Yeah, and James Naysmith was Canadian and they named 819 01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:08,559 it after no Seriously, like it's such a crazy career um, but I 820 01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:15,000 hope he comes back for the clips um. He won two MVPs in Canada. 821 01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:20,840 That's so sick. Yeah, what's disappointing is in this era of Clippers 822 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,239 basketball, and there's an upshot to this. I'll get to the end. 823 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:31,320 He won three vs. Jesus Christ Dominant. They have had this. Maybe 824 01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:39,639 it's a self created problem, or it's not actually an issue, but it 825 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,360 seems to be one or a talking point for us. At least. They've 826 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,440 had a lack of a traditional point guard in the two one three era, 827 01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:52,000 and we're going into year five of the two one three era. You would 828 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,760 have hoped that they might have been able to draft a guy in the summer 829 01:00:54,760 --> 01:01:00,679 of twenty nineteen that they could have molded into form by now right, that 830 01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:04,920 would have been ideal, or they could have found a guy in free agency. 831 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,119 It never really happened. But the other side of it is they got 832 01:01:08,159 --> 01:01:13,400 Bones Highland. They let somebody else develop a young guy at a point guard 833 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,639 position and they were able to get him, and it's kind of like he's 834 01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:21,679 their young guy draft pick that has the high ceiling at the point guard position 835 01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:27,199 and hopefully the timeline still is there for him to match up with the two 836 01:01:27,239 --> 01:01:30,679 one three era and for them to put it all together where he can be 837 01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:34,199 a contributor on a team that has a lot of vets and has a lot 838 01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:38,440 of expectations. Yeah, man, anything, I mean, I think we're 839 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:44,960 winding down. Any final thoughts on Summer League. That Thomas guy had a 840 01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:52,039 nasty ankle breaker and he was very good, but overall, there just hasn't 841 01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:57,719 been enough. And I've watched I haven't even watched the entire three games in 842 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:02,679 their entirety, but I've watched enough. We're enough highlights matters if your team 843 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,480 sucks and you want to see if the guy's gonna get actual minutes, is 844 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,599 gonna be good? Yeah. The guy who has been the standout is the 845 01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:14,280 twenty eight year old an Xavier Moon, right. Unfortunately it hasn't been one 846 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,519 of the young guys, one of the twenty three year olds that would have 847 01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:21,679 brought about a lot more excitement. When Brandon Boston was lighting things up, 848 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,920 it brought about more excitement. But because one of these older rookies hasn't popped 849 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,800 yet, people aren't exactly freaking out about the Summer League and there's just not 850 01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,280 enough buzz right now among Clipper Nation because well, we already knew Moon could 851 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,920 do this, and like you said, it's too easy for him. He's 852 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,480 too talented for this league. But or he wants to flip that switch. 853 01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:47,480 In the fourth quarter he shows why. Yeah, I think we're about wrapping 854 01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:51,280 it up. That's about it. We're gonna be back next week for y'all, 855 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,199 maybe with the guest who knows could be fun. You can find us, 856 01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:58,320 well, where can these wonderful people find this podcast? So you can 857 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,199 check us out over on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. If you could leave a 858 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,519 rating or review on either one of those platforms, would really appreciate it. 859 01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,559 You can listen to us, as I said, on both of those. 860 01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:09,960 We're also on Google Podcasts. We're on Amazon Music, We're on Stitcher, 861 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:15,039 we're on Deezer on All the Regular Suspects, All the Irregular Suspects. If 862 01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:19,199 there's anywhere you listen to podcasts and we're not there, go and let us 863 01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:22,920 know, please do. We're on YouTube at Clippers Podcasts and yeah, I 864 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,480 think about wraps up. I hope everyone's having a great offseason. Hope. 865 01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:30,559 Ralph Lawler and Joe are doing okay. Yes, they caught up bit of 866 01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:32,440 the COVID and Ralph said, see was kind of going through it or on 867 01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:35,920 Twitter, so it's some of all the vibes over to them. Hope they're 868 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,400 doing okay, and we'll be back next week and as always, let's go clips