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Hello everybody, and welcome back to
That's No Mattal, your weekly rock and

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heavy music podcast, and today welcome
back to another edition of Hyperblasts are just

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pretty speedy in and out news show. Let you know exactly what has been

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going on in the last week in
those forementioned realms of rock and heavy music

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and hardcore and everything else. We
are here to let you know all of

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that good stuff. My name is
Parin Hayish. Sam Bignon is here.

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We've got Elliott Paisley back as well. You're back from the Channel Islands,

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which I'll be honest with you,
I don't believe those are a real place.

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It's a bit like the shadow realm
or something like. They're not real

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from Cornwall, you know, don't
judge too much. At least it's attached.

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It is weird that the plane's landing
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going, oh, that's weird.
You can still see the shore.

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You look out the other window and
you can also see the shore. It

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looks a little postman pat Island.
It's the most like quaint. Even I

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was there and I'm not convinced it
was real. It still seems fake.

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Yeah, so you're back that means
that, you know, this week,

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we've got some exciting stuff going on
in terms of this podcast and what we're

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going to be doing and recording.
But before we that you know, all

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of that, we're just going to
dive into the news. Actually, before

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I do that, I suppose just
mentioned I was at a couple of shows

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this week. Firstly, I went
to see Sick of it All last week,

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who I'd never seen before, and
I just saw that they were touring,

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you know, fairly last minute,
and I was like, you know,

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I've never seen Sick of it All. I've heard for years just like

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what a great live band they are, you know, in that particular.

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Have you seen Sick of All one
of them? Mut have? Yeah,

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I've seen him a bunch, one
of the best hardcore bands I've seen,

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like the Underworld to headlining the Forum
to like Gross Rock Festival where there was

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no barrier in a big festival tent, and they've just reliably incredible every time.

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Yeah, I'd heard that they were
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realm of hardcore, that they were
one of the must see live acts absolutely,

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and I thought, you know,
what better opportunity maybe will I have?

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I didn't even realize. I turned
up and they were doing a thirtieth

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anniversary tour for Scratch the Surface,
which they didn't play the album like in

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its entirety in order, but they
played almost all of it like over the

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course of the night, mixed in
with you know, loads of other classics,

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you know, fucking It's Clobber in
Time and all that good stuff,

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you know, the recent songs that
are really really good as well. And

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it was yeah, like a properly
just like joyful, I am all in

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hour of classic hardcore views. He's
got that like he's like, you're in

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your like typical motivational hardcore front man. He's got that energy like every five

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room I mean, but also like
entertaining. Like there was a fun line

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about obviously they're aware of the fact
that they are like veterans in the hardcore

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scene, and they were like,
we're gonna play like a fast song.

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We know that like the young folks
don't like the fast stuff. They only

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like the ones that they can like
kunk Fu kick to that one, hate

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breed Rift too, But we're gonna
play you know, a far song if

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that's okay with you, And yeah, just fucking you know, like I

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said, loads of like you know, the staple classic sick of it All

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songs, heavily weighted on Scratch the
Surface, but plenty of brothers as well.

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You know, by the very end
of it, they're hitting like you

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know, the song scratch the Surface
and obviously ending on step down, which

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is just brilliant. And it got
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the new Not Loose album had come
out that I went to the show,

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and obviously I was listening to that
album like you know, in the day

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and stuff, and just with the
amount of like buzz around that, it

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just got me thinking like in say, like thirty years time even twenty,

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which is again how far we're talking
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hardcore bands of right now that everyone's
kind of falling over and everyone's kind of

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talking about being because thirty years ago, like who was the hardcore band who

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were kind of taking it to the
masses and the mainstream in like the largest

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way. It was sick of boll
wasn't it. Yeah, they were in

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a way like they not to Loose
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I was just thinking, like you
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those bands that we talk about right
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way that you can go and see
Sick of It All doing right now.

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And it was just it was kind
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So I'd like to hope that that
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you know, in twenty years time, you're just going to get not close

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doing the Underworld every other year,
like the same way, you know,

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like mad Bourne and all of those
bands just come back and they'll they'll go

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to their usual stomping grounds. I
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massive, that they carry on that
attitude. Yeah, and Sick of It

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were just setting a very fine example. And then yesterday I went to see

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Green Lung, which is maybe a
tour. Obviously that was like, what

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the number four album of the year
or something with the listener votes, So

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I think that's obviously a tour that
a number of you guys were probably very

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very interested in attending. I hadn't
seen Green Lung yet, hadn't seen them

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on the last album or anything,
and I was very interested in terms of

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like the crowd, because obviously you're
gauging sort of the you know, the

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appeal and who was turning up to
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funny. It was a mixture of
like the shirts. It's like people you

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would see at like a Damnation or
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an you know, underground like doom
Sludge whatever type of event, mixed in

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with people like loads of like you
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and stuff and like that. Like
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know, with no judgment or whatever, but you know, those people who

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have patch jackets and it's just like
guns and roses system under downwere like those

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those type you know jackets you see
like those people are at the Green Lung

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show. Mixed in with people wearing
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interesting mix. And I think that's
good obviously because it shows that, you

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know, it's a broader appeal of
people, maybe skewing older rather than younger

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because it is you know, like
retro music in a way, but a

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decently broad audience there. The set
was they had a lot of For me,

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it was like sound and tech stuff. It was funny after you know,

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listen to the album A bunch and
it's so like perfectly mixed and everything

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getting a version of that that was
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the sound which is like fucking really
really in your face. And they had

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some like tech problems like very first
song, like a guitar lead cut out

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and then they're to stop for a
bit, and then he's got an a

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Maxine witch queen. The the vocal
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exact moment when the second Maxine weird
queen like comes in and he had to

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like run over to the bassist like
backing microphone, which is like a weird

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like reverb effect, and it kind
of sag it through there. But god,

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that band sound good when they riff, you know, like again really

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meaty power of you know, those
those really classic black sambathy type riffs and

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all that stuff. The bassist is
the rock star. He's like the platonic

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ideal of what you want a bassis
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a large framed guy, uh just
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on these basslines, tinted sunglasses on
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all that kind of shit. Very
entertaining guy to watch him. They played

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I think it was literally every song
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a good you know seven or eight
or whatever from their previous two as well.

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All of those songs obviously sounded one
for sorrow, particularly that with the

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main closer of like the main set, and that really had like a sense

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of you know again, a sort
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oceans of time, with the kind
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and I feel it too. That
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I think, like I said,
the kind of marred a little bit by

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sound and tech and stuff. But
I can certainly imagine seeing that band armed

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with those songs, maybe in a
larger space again if you want to see

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and get those good supportsorts, so
whatever, I can imagine it going very

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very well. Indeed, they had
like some cool stage set behind them,

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the massive like teeky skull thing that
I watched them assemble, like they put

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his horns on during the band change, a fun stuff. So yeah,

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I enjoyed seeing that those two shows. Indeed, as saying the news this

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week where maybe it's everyone has announced
their albums for like both spring and then

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I guess we'll get the autumn one
as well. But we're quite a patch

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for sort of new singles and now
announcements and stuff like that coming out.

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The first thing that we're going to
talk about is one that I maybe can

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throw to someone else here to see
if they kind of registers more, I

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guess. But the Blood Brothers have
announced this week that they are going to

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be doing a reunion shows and also
live album reissues and stuff like that.

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But it is their first show in
ten years. And the Blood Brothers,

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I guess maybe they noticed that a
C Space Cowboy have arrived and are talking

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about them a lot. That kind
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doesn't it. Well, it's that, and you know you're seeing a

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lot of the naughties and sort of
formative metalpor bands are coming back, like

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the Bled are back with the Blade
yea, the Bla Yeah, like all

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that sort of stuff. And the
Brothers you know that they were a little

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different I guess to a lot of
those bands being purely the one they were

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like they were the sassy ones.
Yeah, you want know that the whole

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sascore that sees his Cowboy going about
the bled obviously, actually when of the

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key influences there, I've gone to
the bed quite late on again when I

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was just kind of like fully in
my okay, what was medtlecore in the

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naughties? I have to listen to
it all the Blood I mean Blood Brothers.

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Yeah, bands, but Blood Brothers
are really like the the Again,

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if a band like the Space Cowboy
are like arguably the biggest and most sort

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of like popular a band like that
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breaking out of a scene level,
Blood Brothers are like the classic example of

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like when that sound was coming through, who was like the definitive band of

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it? They're the band, I
say again, So for me, it's

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not like it's not the realm.
I have the most knowledge expertise on by

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any means. But the Brothers are
like the if you liked Saskred, that

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was like the band doing it,
I guess, and kind of embodying it.

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So again I expose, while that
sound has been like on a bit

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of an up again, might as
well play some shows. Yeah, it

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was funny because there was a couple
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there was like a clip of them
that kind of went viral in like metical

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and hardcore twins of them just playing
leven them and kind of going like,

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oh, this is actually really cool
with the like the two vocalists being a

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bit like wacky and sassy all over
the place. And I was like,

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and now that they've actually come back, and it was unrelated, but it

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just felt like interest was kind of
winding up in them anyway because of how

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that, like the whole Sasqua thing
starting to take off, So they've they've

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picked a good moment to come back
and sort of catch up one's attention.

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And it really feels like every time
one of these bands comes aback, you

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go Okay, that's really it,
now, no more coming back. That

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was the last one, and then
go, oh fucking hell the blood.

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I genuinely didn't see this coming.
You fan like a big fan. I

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really like Burn Piano Island Burn.
I'm not that familiar with that's album.

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Yeah, that's the one. I'm
not as familiar with Crimes, which I

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think is the one they're doing the
push for this time. To be honest,

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it's like I think I said this
when we talked about Coalesce. If

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it doesn't intail either new music or
UK dates. There's a kind of ceiling

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to how excited I can get because
it just, to be honest, it's

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almost worse than them not coming back, because I just get fomo, like

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it's just get I get sad that
I'm not there. But they're like,

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if it, I mean, I'll
take a final reissue because I don't come

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across their records all that much.
And like Sam and I just said,

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like burn Piano island, Burn rocks
pretty hard. Yeah, son, that

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is happening. At the very least, sleipnot have a brand new song that

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they've said that they've written, and
we don't have a release date or anything,

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hopefully becoming sooner rather than later.
But their first song written and recorded

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with elo has a Grande in the
band, which feels like it must.

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I mean, obviously, I suppose
Eloy had been in the band for a

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certain amount of time before it was
publicly announced that he was so, but

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that still feels like a very rapid
turn around. It feels like last time

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we were here, we're like,
oh shit, yeah, they've announced they've

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played the first show with Eloy,
and I was like, oh yeah,

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we've already got new music nice to
and they keep them momentum up hit while

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the iron is hot, so to
speak. Yeah, part of me is

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like if this' has been like a
sort of surprised, whether they're just going

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to went bam new song when they
had it ready to go, rather than

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I'm like, oh no, we've
got it ready and not know when to

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release it. I don't know if
that's maybe with this, but I guess

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because whilst momentarmy is on their side
and they're just going to keep the good

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press going. But I'm excited to
hear what this new iteration of Slipno's going

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to sound like. I see in
iteration they have a new drama, but

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it feels like a re energized band
all of a sudden after these recent live

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shows. I actually like how forthcoming
they're being with the info this time around,

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because I mean, it's been about
fifteen years since Shawn has taught like

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a normal person, where every time
he's asked about Slipknop music, it's always

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riddles and stuff and they say it's
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in advance, where it's just going
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song. It's it's coming out so
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soon, but i'd be surprised if
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Die phrase, which is they've said
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on the posters for the California Desert
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done maybe with that in mind,
and they chose to delay, so I

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would think it's fairly soon. I
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band of their size and with their
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this stuff now, and like you
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and it seems like people are more
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least since we are not your kind, it seems wise to me. And

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I mean the prospect of Elloyd playing
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get over how excited I am.
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talking about that like next week or
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time, as you say, But
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exciting stuff I think, you know
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the UK actually for once, is
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through those The first of those is
that Outbreak Festival are bringing back something that

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I believe may have been done before
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Autumn, which is a random,
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happening in the same place, the
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twenty seventh, and the announcement,
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and more so, this is not
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so far. Headlining it with Citizen
Angel, Dust narrow Head, Fleshwater and

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horse Jumper of Love for their horse
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Maybe that shows my ignorance, but
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I'm not familiar with them either.
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you are in the Manchester ever,
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that certainly seems like it's leaning on, obviously the more kind of alternative

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rock side of Outbreak, although flesh
Water for me would be the real,

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you know, exciting band amongst that
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are complaining that this isn't part of
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they've been trying to get to the
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just never manage it. And this
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is part of the story so far
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are doing a UK tour around it, They're doing a full UK tour with

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angel Dust supporting. But this is
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need to do something pretty cool for
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part of the main festival that's coming
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the sort of the Saturday sunder that
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swap out what I've got on those
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time it would be an idea to
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the Outbreak autum, almost like its
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make that the Friday. Yeah.
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some degree when Sam, You're going
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you're not doing the only during the
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hip Hop Day. We don't know
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but we'll certainly, you know,
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about But I think, you know, we've spoken a lot about how last

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year the hip Hop Day seemed a
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they've done it seems like a mistake. And I think the people who are

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firmly against it, maybe who aren't
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all, well like this would have
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day as opposed to this separately ticketed
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conversation. But if you want to
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said stories about our doing a you
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in maybe my little corner, I
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Art Tangent. If you're listening,
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which is I won't lie, right. So, you know, last

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year we did the album club special
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I don't know if we'll do that
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nice little tie in maybe well,
but certainly I haven't had it in my

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mind for some reason since like last
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this time next year, we'll be
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the Sunlight. They hadn't even booked
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deep down in my mind. I
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was like, I know that Dragon
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at Damnation twenty twenty four. And
it's nice that, you know, my

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my intuition has not been proven to
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that is in fact happening. Hatred
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club in for in like October or
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but one of the genuinely like top
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live bands certainly that I've ever seen. I feel quite quite lucky actually during

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the sort of like mid twenty tens
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the UK. I know, in
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go over there like Maryland definitely something
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been, you know, going shows
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someun like were very readily available and
readily you know accessible, and they played

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a lot of shows around that time, and then they went away for a

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good like five years or so.
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it a real question. Drags are
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who has not yet seen this band, and they are going to be playing

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what is you know, their generally
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already on the Damnation build that makes
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with this very nicely, but Hatred
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unmissible set right now. It's one
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like a super Dragons Slight fan,
but I think they're a fascinating, incredible

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band that when I'm in the right
mood I can listen. Never seen them

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like this is the thing. The
first time I saw Dragon Sunlight, I

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like, I liked them. It
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went to the merch table and bought, like one of everything. I have

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to be I have to be in
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But and again with the album of
Full sets. This is when you

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kind of go like, well,
yeah, no, Hatred of mankind is

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a body of work. If you're
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you're putting an album on to just
sit there in darkness and like oppressive

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misery for however long and kind of
seeing that live is this is on a

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festival that's got you know, bleeding
through doing this love. This is Murders

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and Nails coming back. This is
like on the level of like, holy

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shit, I got to see that. I mean, it's certainly it's on

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the same level as intensity as you're
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yeah, different kind of intensity,
but like well yeah, but to the

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point where I mean me and my
damnation, like some people that go with

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we were kind of spitballing like what
album in forcets would you like to see?

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And none of us ever brought this
forward. And it's baffling cause it's

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like a total slam dunk for that
sort of thing. And then when they

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announced it, well this is it. And when it was announced I was

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like that might actually be too intense, Like it's more it's almost as daunting

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as it is exciting. I when
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it's a pretty like frightening line up
anyway, you know, inter Arm

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and Nails, Cradle of Filth,
all that stuff, Gate Creeper, and

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then this is like substantially more kind
of intense and scary than any of that

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stuff. And I haven't seen Dragged
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that their sort of period of activity
was like that a few year period was

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I wasn't really going to any metal
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that hatred for mankind, the way
people talk about that of a certain age,

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it's like the way people talk about
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by Iron Monkey and stuff like it's
like these low level classic amshe it's you

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have to hear that. And oh
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Like I don't know if there's a
thing I'm more excited about on the

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bill. Now, Yeah, they've
they said that this is going to be

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headlining. I presume it's the kind
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of the one where they usually have
all the black and death metal type stuff,

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which does mean that I now fear
for whatever is going to be headlining

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that in the other room, and
I hope it isn't something I'm you know,

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Gavin, if you're listening, do
not put a hab there. I

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swear to god. That is as
said. They're literally slapped bag the middle

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of the poster right now, and
it's like the dark Heart like that that

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logo just sort of like catches your
iron just looking like way scary than anything

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else on there. Yeah, and
now I've a voiced that out loud.

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I'm really terrified about ahab so Gavin, please, but very excited about Dragon

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the Sunlight and then a few tours
and stuff that are also rather exciting.

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Jimmy World are going to be touring
in the UK with Pup in support,

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which Jimmy World I haven't seen since
we did our big special on them,

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and that's been like one I really
want to say, bringing along like one

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of the the best, most reliable, you know, support bands in that

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kind of sphere perfectly. I'm just
going to have a lovely time at that.

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I'm just going to just see some
of my favorite songs from two bands

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that are always great, and I'm
just gonna like that's just the perfect night

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out for me, just like good
feelings all the time. Yeah, I

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can't wait for that, even Ali
Pali, which you can. I I

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don't know as much as many people, but I'm like, ah, nothing

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could make me not have the like
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Yes. Uh. And then Baroness
are going doing a co headline tour

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with Graveyard and they're bringing Paul Bearer
along in support, and that's going around

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the UK as well, and I
think, you know, maybe from the

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TNM sort of bubble, there will
be people who are like Graveyard, are

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they really like you know, because
Baroness is such a beloved band here,

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I think a Baroness are not actually
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sort of we treat them, want
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Graveyard are actually very big in their
specific kind of like retro seven e'es,

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Like that's a band who headlined Desert
Fest and stuff like that. I really

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like their first Slab when it came
out again like years ago. I haven't

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always kept trap with them, but
that's a you know, that is a

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fairly you know, similar sort of
pegging level. But Paul Bear along as

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well, that makes it certainly if
you're into your I guess Stoner Doom whatever

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type area. That's one of the
tours of the year. And I haven't

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seen Baronet since Purple, so I've
been fucking again gagging for that, so

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very good and over in the US. To not leave you out the Brebre

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Death Cort tour of the year,
I suppose Lorna Shaw doing a big old

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headline over the US with Whitechapel,
Coupli Khn't and Sangue Sugar bolg in like

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the four of a twenty twenty four
Larna Shore fan and again like Lorna Shore,

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an extremely heavy band, but there
is no sex of their fan that

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like the twenty twenty four, isn't
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is just a fascinating image that I'm
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the link between like Leak Token and Sanguy

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Sugar Bark if you have to,
you know, Kevin Bacon away from one

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of those bands to the other.
Lord the Shore of the Way to do

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it well, Sangwa super Bogs.
I haven't really adjusted to their I don't

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even know if like their music's popular, but like the number of times you

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was watching some guar on Youwtube and
he's wearing a Sangua super Bog shirt and

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you're like, hey, when did
this happen? When did that become like

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the new Supreme or whatever? It's
cool to be seen in the Sangua super

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Bog logo. Yeah, very good. Right. Questions. We're bringing these

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back to Hyperlasta for a couple weeks
off and we have a few with the

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start with one that we kind of
covered extensively last week. But Paul Terry

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asks, what are each of your
top three albums recorded by Steve Albini.

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They can be bands with him in
or not. Obviously myself and Sam were

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here, you know, eulogizing essentially, you know, the great Steve Albani

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last week and we did say we're
like, what is your favorite Steve Albanie

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record? But Elliott, you weren't
here, and I know that you will

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have such an affinity for you know
a number of Steve Albini's works, whether

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again that'd be his own bands or
bands he worked with, just to you

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know, give you the moment,
little moment to sort of pay tribute.

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What would be your like favorite,
very favorite Steve Albini associated records. This

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like may maybe more than any other
producer outside like Rick Rubin. I can't

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think of anyone where this is more
difficult for because even if you just look

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at the ones he played on,
which there isn't a ton of those,

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but picking a top three of those
is hard enough, and then when it's

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stuff he produced, it's basically it'd
be hard to do a top twenty.

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I think Steve Olcaviuni produced like albums. I think, like if I was,

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I find it hard to look past
the two Big Black Records in terms

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of like stuff he's on. I
kind of flip floped between Atomizer and songs

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about fucking like depending on the day, either one of those is number one,

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and then maybe I think it's a
shell Ac like. I feel like

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they kind of get overlooked in a
way, but all of their albums are

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excellent, even like there's one called
Excellent Italian Greyhound, which no one seems

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00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,000
to particularly like, but I think
is one of my favorite. I'll say

406
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,519
at Action Park is the three those
are my top three Steve Albini records of

407
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,000
ones he's on. And then if
I just throw in favorite produced ones.

408
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:21,480
I feel like the two that come
to mind are Goat by the Jesus Lizard

409
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:27,039
and I don't know how you say, It's Yankee Exo by God's Yeah,

410
00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:30,559
And I feel like between those two
you get a pretty good summation of what

411
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,400
it is that made Steve Albini like
a once in a even generation, once

412
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,279
in a universe kind of character,
because it's like he can make caustic alternative

413
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,720
rock sound as good as anyone,
and he also you know, left space

414
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:47,279
for bands to make their most daring, strange act Like that's a now that

415
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:49,680
even Godspeed fans struggle with. But
there's days I think it's my favorite album

416
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,759
of theirs. It's just like I
was on the show last week to talk

417
00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:56,640
about it, but like that news
coming in, it's like I can't think

418
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,440
of many people who have had a
career as long as him where it's still

419
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,640
like, oh, there had so
much more to give, Like a lot

420
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,559
of this stuff you kind of go
like, you know, it might be

421
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,359
a small cast long years ago,
and you're just sad because you know you

422
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,920
have an association with that thing.
But it's literally like well, like you

423
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,480
said, like the above, that
literature record coming out of last year.

424
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,799
It's like two of my favorite albums, you know, within the last few

425
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,039
years. Still, like with that
guy at the Helm, it's just insane.

426
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,839
Yeah. I think if I was
to do like a top three,

427
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,759
because you know, we spoke about
it last week, but I feel like

428
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,839
in Utero, I should says in
my top three, but I would I

429
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:36,119
would almost have to decline this question
because just of the Neurosis albums, right,

430
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,960
yeah, four of those would be
contenters the top three, like the

431
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,480
Eye of Every Store will be number
one, But honestly, like each of

432
00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:45,920
like like Times of Grace, a
Son that Never Sets and on a Fan

433
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,119
of Decay, every one of those
could potentially find themselves being the one left

434
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,640
out of the top three. On
the outside, I mean right now,

435
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,599
I might end up saying the Times
of Grace falls out of like the top

436
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,880
three, like it's just top three. Steve Albini Neurosis album, it's fucking

437
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,119
bat shit. If I was limited
to one per band, I would have

438
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:08,599
the Ivory Storm in Utero and then
either Blessed Black Wings or the above,

439
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:14,160
and then Sam you were saying in
Europe and the above certain and I probably

440
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,640
would say Times of Grace again,
I was like, I was that kind

441
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,880
of you know the US. No, No, that album is like when

442
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,079
you put it take it as an
albu but it's just a masterful piece of

443
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,519
work. And none of us said
Surfer Rosa. It's just like, yeah,

444
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,119
I only got into Surf Rosa in
like the last six months. Yeah,

445
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,400
I had to say it again like
last But when we were sort of

446
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,920
prepping to do you know the episode
and talk about Steve Albinie again, I

447
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,279
was listening to those records and I
put on Surfa Rosa and like, I'm

448
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,720
I really like, I really like
that record, and I like Picks in

449
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:42,680
general, but I'm not a die
hard fan. It's not a record that

450
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,240
changed my life or anything, but
fucking where is my Mind? Here?

451
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,079
And I found myself like welling up
a little bit, and it's like how

452
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:51,519
many times as you have you heard
where is my Mind? But in that

453
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:56,279
moment, it's like, man,
when that song arrives is something. Yeah.

454
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,920
So there are again reiterated our very
favorite st our Bean Eat records.

455
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,160
Stephen Sweeting asks, I'm curious what
your take is on bands that just completely

456
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,759
neglect the UK and other areas when
it comes to touring. AFI were my

457
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,359
favorite band growing up, but I
honestly think the fact they haven't done a

458
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,400
headline tour in the UK for fourteen
years is disgraceful and a kick in the

459
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,480
bollock for the UK fans, especially
when they use to tour here before.

460
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,839
Yeah, So I guess the question
here is let's take the obvious. I'm

461
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:23,839
sure there are other ones as well, but the obvious elephant in the room

462
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:30,359
is AFI. Bands who just like
completely ignore a territory as someone who lives

463
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:37,039
in that territory wants to see them, Does it like lessen your affinity or

464
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:41,559
your respect or your you're thinking in
any way of that band? Because again

465
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,279
it's particularly me and you, Sam. The reason we moan about AFI all

466
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,880
the time is because we love them
so much and we desperately want to see

467
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,640
that band because they are one of
I'm sure both of our favorite bands ever.

468
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,400
But is your love tested by the
fact that AFI do not care about

469
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,000
you tested? Yes? But I
also know that the moment they do set

470
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:11,359
foot on it, I'll be crawling
towards them like same like. I ain't

471
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,359
got no lik like because there are
a few bands I look at like there

472
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:15,440
are some bands where I go like, well, you know what, I

473
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:22,519
kind of get it. It's not
reasonable to expect like small US hardcore bands

474
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:26,200
to tour the UK regularly. Yeah, I'm the same with all matter of

475
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,640
like bands and bands like I mean, I'm fucking seeing Rise off the North

476
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,240
start for the first time on Saturday, and they're like one of those bands,

477
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,759
like they're massive in Europe for their
sort of scene, but over in

478
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:38,079
the UK, I'm like one of
like probably like four die hard fans.

479
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,680
Yeah. Its like, let let's
hone in the question of here, because

480
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,640
again, I think we can all
understand why a small really struggling to make

481
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,799
ends meet kind of band might not
be able to tour because again we've spoken,

482
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,960
everyone's spoken about you know, breast
and stuff like that. They're not

483
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,000
exactly a small band that they do
ready big females, So they just don't

484
00:29:56,039 --> 00:30:00,839
come to the UK because it just
that they won't be the rooms that they

485
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:03,839
are in sure, But I mean, but that's what I'm saying, is

486
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:08,720
hone in here on like actual big
bands like an AFI, who I think

487
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:14,319
you know, we've wondered a lot
whether the fact that AFI essentially removed themselves

488
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:18,279
for a generation of like UK rock
fans lessons they're draw in the long term

489
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:22,079
because it feels like most AFI fans, particularly maybe in a place that the

490
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:29,960
UK are in there sort of like
thirties or older. But uh yeah,

491
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,359
basically like bands who like are big
and theoretically may have the financial means to

492
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:37,880
do it. I mean again,
Poison Well are fucking coming over here for

493
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,200
the first time, and that they're
They're a band of wids who probably are

494
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,880
in a position where they can do
it, And I don't find my my

495
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,000
inffinity for them to test the talk
because I mean, I'm fucking seeing them

496
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:52,119
so like I would like our wings
and moan about it. But in the

497
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:53,640
long run, the moment they do
any of these bands and they do come

498
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,559
over, like I say, I'll
be there, so I'm like, it

499
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:02,000
doesn't affect my long term feelings for
them. I just moan about it a

500
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,440
little bit. Yeah, Like entitlement
is a weird thing as a music fan

501
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,440
because on one hand, we're always
told like, don't demand music from your

502
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,759
favorite bands or don't get annoyed when
they change. How could you be so

503
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:17,160
entitled they don't know you anything,
And then like there's people I know who

504
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,559
just swear off bands if they cancel
a UK tour or whatever. There's oh

505
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:22,400
fuck them then if they don't care
about and it's a nail special that we

506
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,839
did. We spoke about how public
opinion turned on nails at the end of

507
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,599
twenty tens because of failure problem.
Yeah I suppose yeah, yeah, And

508
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,799
I just I think I said it
then, But I just I find that

509
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,440
thing a bit weird, Like I
don't prefer it when bands don't tour the

510
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,119
UK, But I don't know,
I don't feel like I'm sort of owed

511
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:47,319
it necessarily, or that it's kind
of them not caring. Like the thing

512
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:51,519
about does it affect my affinity for
bands? Maybe it's more like the bands

513
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:55,039
that I do see and can see, I like them more more than like

514
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:56,559
in the bands I can't see less, if that makes sense. If it's

515
00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,160
if it's a thing where you're competing
for attention, I can't see you live,

516
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,400
maybe you are kind of doomed to
suffer against bands who tour here a

517
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,799
lot. But that's not really the
same as going you know what, I'm

518
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,839
not I'm not a fan anymore.
Yeah, I think again is the great

519
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:15,359
example obviously is AFI, and as
I said, obviously they're one of my

520
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,640
favorite bands of all time. And
does it it does bum me out,

521
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,440
Like I mean, on a personal
level, it bums me out that they

522
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,319
haven't obviously. The other one is
the Misfits two, which is a I

523
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:30,359
don't expect that. I yeah,
it's like theoretists because if they don't tour,

524
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,640
they only do those like one show. Theoretically they could do like his

525
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,880
one of those massive Misfit shows at
fucking you know, Wembley Arena or something,

526
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,799
or even if it was just like
in Germany or something. They haven't

527
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:45,200
obviously done a European date and they
could do it, and they don't because

528
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,480
no one in Europe has offered them
enough money and dan Zey can't get on

529
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,759
a plane and et cetera. The
FI thing. It's like, I don't

530
00:32:52,759 --> 00:33:00,839
know. I does it lessen my
opinion of them, No, because what

531
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,720
makes my favorite bands my favorite bands
is over anything else, the art and

532
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,279
how I view them as a you
know, a purveyor of music so to

533
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:14,240
speak. And obviously that doesn't chime
into AFI's output or anything like that at

534
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,960
all. It does bum me out
that they haven't come here, and to

535
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:25,359
a degree you could say that it
is like maybe not disrespectful would be the

536
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,599
word, but like it's that they're
they're leaving a certain amount of their fans

537
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:34,559
out in the cold by not like
going and performing to them, and uh,

538
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,400
it's a it's a shame. But
I don't let that kind of I

539
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,160
don't know, turn me off a
band and be like, oh, I

540
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,079
that like whole Oh you don't care
about me because you're not playing here,

541
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:49,359
so I'm not care about you.
It's not a mindset that I personally have

542
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,200
ever subscribed to in terms of stopping
me listening to music or anything like that.

543
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:58,359
A more extreme, much more extreme
version of this conversation comes to our

544
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,000
next question. Rory Bentley ask there
is quite a large rumor going around that

545
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:07,440
a certain incredibly canceled artist has signed
a Nuclear Blast, which is hugely disappointing

546
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,920
if true, particularly as they are
home to so many of my favorite bands.

547
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:15,039
Should alternative label be more vigilant when
signing artists with questionable ethics or as

548
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:16,280
all just business at the end of
the day. I mean, right now,

549
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,880
it looks like it's more than a
rumor, because there's been teaser videos

550
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,119
and stuff posted. It is looking
like Nuclear Blast have signed Marion Manson,

551
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,199
who and they will be home to
his new music. Obviously, we knew

552
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,320
that Marrion Manson was going to be
touring again because he's doing that the most

553
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,199
disgraceful looking tora ether with fighting a
death punge in. Is this a lot

554
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,880
to prevail over in the US?
Probably, But yeah, Nuclear Blast looks

555
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:45,760
like are going to be signing Marilyn
Manson, and yeah, I think it's

556
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:51,400
shitty. I don't think they should
do that. I agree, Like I'm

557
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,920
going to people say it's a business. I'm like no, But like these

558
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,159
labels, they're in a position of
power. They like are kind of expected

559
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:02,440
to offer some kind of like protection
and and like safeguarding. There is almost

560
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,280
an expectation of that and not platforming
people who are problematic. I mean my

561
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,519
thing with Manson as well is like
it's been fucking forever since Manson did anything

562
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,320
good like and that, Like,
I know, I'm not I might be

563
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,039
pop disgree with that, but I'm
like, why would you want to stick

564
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:22,079
your neck out for Manson when the
art isn't even worth it at this point?

565
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:24,880
Yeah, I mean he would he
will still be a big live d

566
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,360
or. I think that much is
fairly obvious. I think again, obviously

567
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,000
we have to make a different diition
here in terms of like, I don't

568
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:36,880
know how extreme you want to take
this, because again, there was a

569
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,679
little bit of a a debate opened
up to the comments under thisath particular question.

570
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,000
Very friendly debate, but people talking
about that, you know, the

571
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:45,320
levels of that, And I think
someone in those comments put it that,

572
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,840
you know, like, we're not
talking about people who just maybe have a

573
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:53,440
like slightly different leaning political belief or
whatever it's win or whatever. Yeah,

574
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,960
like even like, yeah, again, people you have your own different levels

575
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,679
of what kind of count some of
like what you want to support or whatever,

576
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,719
And that's entirely whatever. But in
terms of those bands who are and

577
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,679
those weird sort of thresholds of like
not being like hard canceled per se,

578
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,440
Like I don't really care about any
labels I like signing those bands, right,

579
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,800
Because again, that's very much in
the personal. What we're talking about.

580
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:21,039
Manson is someone who is you know, the rap sheet against him in

581
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,400
terms of his alleged crimes and so
on, which I personally am inclined to

582
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:34,440
believe is like properly heinous, like
criminal fucking stuff. And that is the

583
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,000
level where I'm like, yeah,
like a huge business, like arguably the

584
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:43,920
biggest label in metal music right now, putting their resource behind that. I

585
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,880
do find disappointing. Obviously on lower
levels, you know, there are certain

586
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,159
obviously in the underground, they'll always
be like a, yeah, this extreme

587
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,800
label has signed X band who have
like these obvious ties or whatever, and

588
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,280
that is unfortunate. And there are
you know, there's discourse, debate and

589
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,599
stuff that signs up comes up whenever
one of the cases. But I feel

590
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:06,719
like this is such an almost unprecedented
case that we have seen of like huge

591
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:15,519
label signing a infamously like it's gone
mainstream Manson's crimes exactly. Yeah, Like

592
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,679
this isn't you know bands where we
could go on like everyone in the scene

593
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,280
or whatever knows that they might be
a bit dodgy. They've said said or

594
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:29,159
done something problematic, blah blah blah
whatever. Manson is like almost like banking

595
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:32,599
on his reputation as like a bad
guy at this point. And and that's

596
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:37,719
why I think this one sticks out
especially as a bit like just really dodgy

597
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:43,079
and irresponsible for nuclear blast. Yeah. I mean I've spoken before that I

598
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:45,800
don't like the whole you know,
and you know, we're not talking about

599
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,880
this in this case, but whole
like six degrees of Kevin Bacon thing where

600
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,119
it's like, oh, they follow
this account, they read this book,

601
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:54,159
they have a photo with this guy. It's like that sort of thing where

602
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:57,280
that makes you paride. I kind
of find a lot of that stuff a

603
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,400
bit pearl clutchy, and my instinct
would be, you know, we shouldn't

604
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,639
get too deep in the weeds with
that sort of thing. But the trouble

605
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:08,800
with the trouble with this one is
it's like the Marilyn Manson case is particularly

606
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,559
different because we all, I presume, share the suspicions of what we think

607
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,119
he did. Right. The trouble
is is he's not being convicted of anything,

608
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:22,159
which makes it easier and harder because
on because one hand, people go,

609
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,719
well, you know, he's not
being convicted of anything, he should

610
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,239
be able to live his life well, and that will be nuclear blasts sort

611
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:35,239
of justification in this case. Yeah, But on the other hand, if

612
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,400
he's not being convinced of anything,
but if he did do it, well,

613
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,960
he hasn't even served his time,
so you can't even fall back on

614
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,639
the whole light. He's paid his
dues, he should be able to rehabilitate

615
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,800
himself. So what this is is
either an innocent person trying to rehabilitate,

616
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,360
you know, their career after something
that's there's something that you know, something

617
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,960
it's been taken and it shouldn't have
or it's a serial abuser who's managed slash

618
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,559
managing to slip through the cracks.
So it's like the worst case either way.

619
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,599
And it's like and so I try, and you know, I tried

620
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:07,639
sort of strong man the opposing thing
of like, oh, you know,

621
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:12,360
is it a would you have a
go at a pressing plant for making Manson

622
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,760
records? Would you condemn a record
shop for selling them? Where where does

623
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,679
the record label fall in that?
But it just a lot of the things

624
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,519
that you just kind of to trust
your guy, and it's it just doesn't

625
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:24,880
feel right, Like if I ran
nuclear blast, even without the convictions,

626
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:29,400
I wouldn't sign Marln Manson. Even
if you're betting on people not knowing or

627
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,079
caring or whatever it is. It's
a bad look on you, isn't it.

628
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:35,320
Obviously obviusly what this is. It's
it's you know, some you know,

629
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,199
whatever executive at a nuclear blast is
responsible decision has you know, taken

630
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,519
it. And you know, like
obviously I've got friends who work at nuclear

631
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:46,760
blast and you know, people who
I, you know, consider to have

632
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,000
good ethics. Yeah, and I
know that, Like, you know,

633
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,280
obviously my friends doing whatever, like
you know, pr a nuclear blast or

634
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,920
whatever, they aren't responsible for this
decision being made. And I do have

635
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,599
to I wonder what their thoughts are
on this, obviously behind closed doors because

636
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:07,119
it's their jobs and their livelihoods,
But like I do wonder what their positions

637
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:09,320
are on something like this being sort
of fed from higher ups. Oh yeah,

638
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,480
we're signing Manson. Now, how
do you kind of deal with that?

639
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,559
And you know, it's again the
higher up, the executive whoever has

640
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:24,679
done this has taken the position of
the financial draw of Manson. Is I

641
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:30,840
suppose they have deemed worth the kind
of bad press they may get for it.

642
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:36,559
But yeah, and I personally think
it's shitty because again, maybe it

643
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:39,480
just comes to it and again,
whether you are inclined to believe the allegations

644
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,559
against him or anything like that,
where you fall on it. And in

645
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:49,159
terms of obviously like Nuclear Last have
like the biggest roster in heavy music,

646
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:52,719
and in terms of like you know, like would we not cover like Spalbard

647
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,440
or something because they're like on the
same label. I mean again, you

648
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,599
wonder how all these different bands does
think about who they're apparently make some stuff

649
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:02,199
are now Obviously you know we wouldn't
do that. We're not going to just

650
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,400
like block out anything associated with Nuclear
Blast now, but I do think that

651
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:14,159
it is a shitty, irresponsible,
morally bad thing to occurring. And other

652
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,920
than again discussing our thoughts on it
here, we're certainly not going to go

653
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,079
back to color In Manson just because
he's on Nuclear Last now, So that's

654
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:25,920
that. And James Bentley finished off
our questions here asking how long after an

655
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,360
album's release would you class it as
one of your all time favorites and not

656
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,480
just due to recncy bias. Rat
wars By Health has only been about six

657
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:35,360
months by probably having my top ten
of all time feels odd say that about

658
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,079
such a recent release. Yeah,
I guess I'll throw us over to you

659
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:44,239
guys. At what point do you
start judging, Hey, this album that

660
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,440
I cannot fucking stop listening to right
now. Maybe it isn't just like my

661
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:51,159
favorite, you know, release of
the minute. Maybe this is going to

662
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:54,079
be one with me, you know, forever. I'd probably say, like

663
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:59,599
for as well, at least a
year, because there are some albums that

664
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:02,679
I will be subjects for a while, but they don't eventually that that stampower

665
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:06,000
will right out. If like a
year later, I'm still you know,

666
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:12,000
reaching for something, I probably say
reasonable has show. I mean, like

667
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:14,880
when we did our Top twentyes,
I think most of like I've only had

668
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,920
one of the most recent lists out
of all of us in terms of like,

669
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,639
yeah, a lot of my favorites
at the time doing it will will

670
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:22,920
be in like five or so years
of that. Like, so I'm not

671
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,679
one who's like, oh, you
know, it's going to be with you

672
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:30,199
your whole life to be if it's
not more than twenty years old, it

673
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,920
doesn't count. Yeah, I don't
know that, But I wouldn't be like

674
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,239
I mean the above, right,
I still don't know because it's like I'm

675
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:45,840
gonna pick that one because oh fucking
not Underneath Forever Forever was on my list

676
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,880
of my family and I don't actually
know now what my favorite of those three

677
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,559
records are, and so if I
would say my family those records is the

678
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:58,480
above in theory, that would make
it one of my top five records of

679
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:00,760
all time. But so this is
why this is what I'm trying to graph

680
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,760
with it, so like it's what
I'm gonna have to see, like after

681
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,840
after a year or so, do
I still think or could the above be

682
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,360
my favorite code Imine record? Then
I'd say, well, then yeah,

683
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,159
it is, you know, my
one of my top five. Yeah.

684
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:15,800
And I remember when we did your
Albums of All Time, we were also

685
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:21,960
doing Alex and that just happened to
be The Fortune by Kajira came out and

686
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,760
Alex again, in the course of
like we were doing that special basically at

687
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,039
the time that Fortune came out,
and that was saying to me, I

688
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,400
think the Way of All Flesh was
like in contention for the list, and

689
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,400
then Fortune came out and he was
like, oh no, actually this is

690
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,119
my favorite Kajear album and the Way
of All Flesh was going to be in

691
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:38,559
the list, So I suppose.
So it was in Alex Albums of All

692
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:42,119
Time before it was actually his album
of the Year because we did it like

693
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,239
that summer and that was a particularly
mad case. But I guess if you

694
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,079
feel that strongly about like a record, if your favorite band's newest album is

695
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,400
your favorite thing, is like it
just comes out and because this is my

696
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:54,039
thing they've done, you're going to
go, well, yeah, realistically,

697
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:55,840
it probably will be one of my
favorit albums of all time. So I

698
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,599
don't think there is like a armor
tray and number you can stick in it.

699
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:00,840
But for me, I would look
at around a year of kind of

700
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,880
like judging an album after I have
sat of it for a relatively decent amount

701
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,960
of time. Yeah, I mean
I've I haven't really encountered this problem in

702
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,679
that in the last few years hasn't
been an alum that's come out that's entered

703
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,920
my Top twenty. It's stayed pretty
static, And that's a bit. If

704
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,360
I did a top hundred, you
know, there'd be more movement, and

705
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,039
there'd be some stuff in the last
few years moving in there. And you

706
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:22,559
know, in theory, I have
no issue with calling a brand new album

707
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,199
an all time favorite. You know, maybe it would be different if I

708
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,199
was like publishing a list, because
just me listening it for myself, I

709
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,679
don't think that's a big deal.
And I don't know, like this whole

710
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:35,760
thing, like nostalgia personal experience is
it's sticking with you in that kind of

711
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,639
thing. That's a good test and
you can give it more waiting. But

712
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:43,199
those are like new route new albums
that enter the top, that would enter

713
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,480
those sort of top one hundred eeschalons. There's a kind of feeling like I

714
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:47,360
go, when I heard them for
the first time, we just go,

715
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,679
this is going to be with me
forever. And I don't think that's ever

716
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,800
led me astray. I've never heard
Now I've got oh my god, this

717
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,239
is you know, a modern classic, and then a month later I'm not,

718
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,800
I'm not really listening to it,
and I was. I always think

719
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,119
like the rules for it, this
thing are a bit strange where it's like,

720
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,320
like, you know, just to
give an example of a new album,

721
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,199
like if the Not Loose record came
out and I went, this is

722
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,920
one of the best albums ever made, ever ever, people might go,

723
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:13,679
that's a bit weird. But if
I found an old album and I heard

724
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:15,039
it for the first time and I
went, this is one of the best

725
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:17,280
albums ever made, people go,
yeah, you know what that's fine,

726
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:21,519
it's weird or like the kind of
context that I'm not. But the first

727
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:22,960
one I heard Pinkerton, I thought
like, this is the greatest rock record

728
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:29,239
I've ever heard, And you know
that was I didn't have the context of

729
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,679
twenty years of it being a classic
or whatever. It was just the first

730
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:34,239
time I heard it, and I
thought, this is amazing, and it

731
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,760
entered that top echelon right away.
I don't so it's like I don't know,

732
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,119
Like I said, I've never encountered
it, But I don't see any

733
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,360
strong reason per se why a brand
new album. I think like it's kind

734
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,880
of down to you as an individual. I don't think there is anything you

735
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,159
should be any rules you should set
yourself or like you should feel forced on

736
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:55,079
you. You should set your own
rules as to how you think, how

737
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,760
am I going to engage with this? Yeah, and like there's this I

738
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,000
kind of wish there was a bit
more like big scale thinking in rock and

739
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:05,920
mela. That's not to say we
need more hyperbole, because there's enough of

740
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,639
that, But I don't know.
There's this thing where it's almost like a

741
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:12,199
taboo to say if you would do
like the best metal bands ever, the

742
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,480
idea that Mastered On being number one
would be like, oh no, it

743
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,320
can't be them. It's like because
they're not they're not old enough. Like

744
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:20,320
their catalog is as good as any
metal band ever, and I just I

745
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,039
don't know, it's you don't want
to do it all the time and it

746
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,760
is, you know, a card
you don't want to play when it's not

747
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,239
when it shouldn't be. But like
this is outside of rock and melt.

748
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,039
But like when T Pimper Butterfly came
out, they were like major outlets going

749
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:35,679
is this the best rap album ever
made? On like the day of release,

750
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,440
and you know, maybe you totter
them, but I kind of think,

751
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,760
I think that's kind of nice that
when something special comes along, people

752
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,400
are willing to go, oh this
could be an all time of this.

753
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:47,280
Yeah, I think for me,
it just it doesn't happen that often for

754
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,599
me to think about this question extensively. I guess because you know, there

755
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:57,360
are historically an awful lot of brilliant, you know, albums that can be

756
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,280
in contention for your favorites of all
time. Obviously there's always stuff coming out

757
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,280
that you like, but one coming
out that you think is you know,

758
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,119
up there with fucking you know,
the best things ever doesn't happen every week.

759
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:13,679
Maybe that might only happen once every
handful of years or something. I

760
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,039
think the last time, you know, a record came out from a band

761
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:22,840
who I wasn't considering at that level
and then it put them at that level

762
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,440
for me, it was maybe Ray
by oath Breaker, as like, that

763
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,880
album came out and you know,
within a couple of years, I was

764
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,719
like, yeah, this is like
in my you know again, my list

765
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,840
of my top favorite albums of all
time. Maybe it took a couple of

766
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,239
years for me to think about it
in that way, but I wasn't shying

767
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,039
against the idea of it being in
there because I connected with it so heavily.

768
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,159
I mean, I can think because
that twenty sixteen, there was a

769
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:47,840
couple of weeks where I got Rail
and Stage four in a few weeks of

770
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,280
each other, and that was one
why I did feel like, oh god,

771
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,119
these are special albums that I will
be you know, clinging on too.

772
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,360
Yeah, but the rare example again
as a band too, like I

773
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,320
had heard Oathbreaker before, but they
weren't at that level. The other one

774
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,320
that's happened since is maybe again at
a band who are like in Darkument by

775
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,079
an Alathrak, who are like one
of my like Mount Rushmore bands, and

776
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:12,880
that came out, and again it
took me a you know however, many

777
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,599
months of listening to it to think
about it in this way, but I

778
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:17,800
knew that, like, it's not
my favorite Anna Threat record, it still

779
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,199
is not my like number one and
now Threat record, but it's certainly in

780
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,400
you know, the the higher the
upper like quarter or so of their catalog.

781
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,760
It could well be on like the
podium if I thought about it.

782
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,559
Uh. And again with that being
like one of my like, like my

783
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:36,480
personal like Mount Rushmore bands or whatever, even if it's not my number one,

784
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:38,400
even if it has potentially be in
like the top three or whatever,

785
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,639
that certainly puts it in like my
favorite albums of all time. But yeah,

786
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:46,320
it just it doesn't happen mega often. And I suppose you weigh up

787
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,199
against your own, you know,
your personal comparison points or whatever. So

788
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:53,000
there you go. That was a
question. Thank you very much for for

789
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:57,360
asking them. Everybody who did,
if you want to get in on that,

790
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,039
so then it's in the that' somethingle
focus group where you can go and

791
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,119
drop on the little questions posts that
we do, so we should announce what

792
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:07,280
we're doing on Patreon this week.
The last thing obviously last week when myself

793
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,679
and Samuel here we had just done
the Tea and as Horror, we did

794
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:15,360
on Godzilla X Kong and Love Lies
Bleeding, which we recommend you go check

795
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:22,159
out if you're interested in punching and
other similars similar activities. Very very good

796
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:28,760
indeed. But what I have been
working on this past few days is writing

797
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,960
the script for the next band special
that we are going to be doing,

798
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,079
which we are going to be recording
this coming week. I think it'll be

799
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:37,920
up sort of, you know,
fairly early first thing next week. And

800
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:44,199
that is a band special that has
been bandied around for I would imagine years

801
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,920
in terms of I guess how to
approach it. We settled on how to

802
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,760
do it because a while ago there
was a bit of news. I don't

803
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,400
think she spoke heavily about that news
because it might have been during the Christmas

804
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,000
break, but the news at Sepultura
we're going to be going on their farewell

805
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,679
tour, and obviously, whenever anything
that happens, there's always a certain amount

806
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:05,079
of you know, recollection and reassessment
and looking back on things and stuff like

807
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:08,000
that, and we are no different. I have to say I have wanted

808
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:13,039
to do a Sepultuer band special for
like forever, like I thought it always

809
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:15,719
be a really, really good one. The problem came in how to do

810
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:22,199
it, because Sepultura are a strange
case in terms of like how many dominoes

811
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,239
would be knocked down, right,
because you know the deal the first six

812
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:34,599
albums of That's Cavallera is classic sepulturer
era when that schism happens, if we

813
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:37,519
were to be comprehensive about especially the
way we historically have been about almost everything,

814
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,960
right, if we were to do
the entire story, we would have

815
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,119
to obviously we would cover all of
the Sepultier stuff with Derek Green as the

816
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:50,039
vocalist. However, because the Cavalleras
are so tied in with the mythology of

817
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:54,280
sepulturer and you know what people associate
with that band at the same time,

818
00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:00,000
it would feel wrong to not also
cover what the Cavalleras were doing, right,

819
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:01,639
and it would it would end up
being like a ten part special,

820
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,360
Like it'd be fucking crazy, And
like if you've seen how many albums Matts

821
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,239
Carolao's pout Out. It's nuts.
So what we are doing, out of

822
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:14,000
no disrespect for you know, the
ongoing output of Sepultury clubs, that's the

823
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:15,360
version of the band that's going to
be playing at the end of this year

824
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,000
and this kind of stuff, and
no respect for Cavaliras or whatever, we

825
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:22,880
are doing the Classic Year's Sepulturer Special. It's going to be two parts in

826
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:29,039
which we talk about those first six
records seven if you count the first EP.

827
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:36,280
Everything basically from that classic like first
you know, ten plus years of

828
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,039
that band, which pound for pound
could make it one of the greatest band

829
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:43,760
specials we'd ever do in terms of
just like the selection of you know music

830
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,760
we are focusing in on, and
so if you want to hear all about

831
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:55,719
that golden era of one of heavy
music's greatest ever bands. As I said,

832
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,440
the first part of that is going
to be coming first thing next week.

833
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,960
That first part is going to be
covering there the thrash years of Sepultura

834
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:07,480
and their birth in Brazil, before
we then go on to obviously the latter

835
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:10,480
part of the Cavalier years. Again, I've been writing the script for this

836
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,039
this past week. It's like a
full Brazilian political history lesson. We the

837
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,920
context for because we've never done a
band from you know, South America or

838
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,760
somewhere like that before, so the
context of like where the Brazilian netle scene

839
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,199
came from. And that doesn't just
mean Sepultura, it means at the start

840
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:30,760
to sort of compare them some of
their peers. You know, we have

841
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,519
a sort of if you've ever been
interested in, like who are these other

842
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:36,559
Brazilian bands who are around when Sepulturia
came up, I can't have just been

843
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:39,800
them, you know, there's going
to be spotlighting some of those before then

844
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,119
going through. So it is a
we haven't recorded it yet, but it

845
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:50,239
is sure to be a jam packed, particularly juicy content heavy episode, you

846
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,360
know, part of a special.
That's where my head has been because I

847
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,559
said, I've been doing all that
research and putting it all into a document.

848
00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:00,679
You too, have you kind of
dug head at all into your your

849
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,880
your you're listening yet for this early
year Sepultura, Well, I mean I've

850
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,400
dug into the part that was a
complete mystery to me and kind of like

851
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:15,760
starting to talk about the first I
don't want to go into where I'm out

852
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:20,000
because, like again draw like obviously, the albums I love are the albums

853
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,039
we're going to talk about in part
two of this special, But there are

854
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:25,559
albums I like in this part one, and there are albums I've never listened

855
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:29,480
to and I've got right back to
them, and it's kind of like I

856
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:32,519
was like, so, how do
you get to roots from here? That's

857
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:36,880
that's the journey I'm looking forward to
sort of tracing. Yeah, I mean,

858
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:40,440
like I'm very familiar with the Sepultury
catalog, like back to the beginning,

859
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,599
but if it's the first time where
I'm going through it in order,

860
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:50,239
and it's been very funny so far
in a good way. Yeah, I

861
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,039
think we could maybe talk about this
a little bit more, you know,

862
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:55,159
come next week when we've recorded it
and uploaded it and stuff. But it's

863
00:53:55,159 --> 00:54:00,639
certainly, uh, there is stuff
in this which is a uniqu perspective in

864
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,000
terms of stuff like that coming from
like one of our most iconic bands that

865
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:09,079
everyone listening will have you know heard. Certainly a song from right very one

866
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:12,320
off case doesn't happen very often,
and that is part of what makes this

867
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,599
special, so so fascinating, and
like I said, the whole context of

868
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:17,400
where they're coming from and stuff like
that. It is going to be a

869
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:22,519
big, juicy special indeed, and
I'm personally, I'm very happy to be

870
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,719
finally, you know, ticking off
again figuring out for a while how to

871
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,159
do Sepultura. But we found the
time in the moment and the way to

872
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:31,599
do so. So Sepultura Bad Special
coming to that that's not a Patreon very

873
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:37,039
very soon. Indeed. To end
off today's hyperblasts, we're going to do

874
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:38,280
what we always do, which is
round off some of the releases that you

875
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,800
may be wanting to check in on. First of all, it was a

876
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,880
couple from last week which I just
forgot to put in, even though there

877
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,360
once I was quite looking forward to. There's a band called Missiles. We

878
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,719
put a record called Weaponize Tomorrow,
which is a really good post punk record

879
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:54,199
out on spart Records, like very
like proper you know, fucking goth dancing

880
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,440
eighty stuff, but I think of
the better end of what you might hear

881
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:00,159
from that in any given year.
And then also one that was sort of

882
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,840
sent my way, but it's really
bizarre. It's a man called Mark Graff

883
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:07,920
and their record hoh Abandon. I'm
not sure what country and Europe they are

884
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,480
from, but again all the names
of everything in the description of the episodes.

885
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,639
But it's like Kirethun Goal style heavy
metal, which again, if you

886
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:17,599
know Kirethun Goal, that kind of
mad vocal and stuff. But the last

887
00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:22,239
song is twenty minutes long and it's
like a technical, progressive death metals song.

888
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:28,679
But with those like Kirethun Goal heavy
metal, it is batshit and I

889
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,960
liked the creativity, So a couple
of deeper cuts there. First of all,

890
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:36,840
today, the seventeenth of May,
we have some pretty large releases on

891
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:42,760
the metal calendar. Certainly we've got
the release of Kerry King's debut solo album,

892
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,840
which is called From Hell I Rise. We have the quite heavily anticipated

893
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:51,880
had from Gate Creeper called Darker Superstition. Jasta has got an album ount called

894
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,800
and Jasta for All because of course
it is, and the album cover is

895
00:55:54,840 --> 00:56:00,440
exactly what you would expect it to
be. Paul Bearer their new album Mind

896
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:02,599
Burns Alive is going to be out
as well. We do have as I

897
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:06,960
mentioned last week, we have a
shell Ac album. We have the last

898
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:10,840
you know, musical work from Steve
Albinie that is incredibly you know, spooky

899
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,599
timing, but it probably won't be
on streaming or anything because shell Ack and

900
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:19,920
Steve albin you would certainly want it
to not be anywhere near Spotify or anything

901
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,679
like that. But however, you
can find the shell Ack album you Know

902
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,960
that is out today. In hardcore, we have One Step Closer and All

903
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:30,880
You Embrace, which is a very
melodic hardcore band. We spoke about him

904
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,800
on the Outbreak episode from last year. Be curious to see. I guess

905
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,159
if that sort of you know,
takes off to become again one of the

906
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:43,280
buzzy hardcore releases or anything of right
now. A band that I really really

907
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,440
love are abound called ropes Sex,
which is again we're going back to kind

908
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,800
of the very gothy, you know, grave pleasures adjacent whatever kind of dark

909
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,119
post punk stuff rope Sect. Their
album is called Estrangements. The first album,

910
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:55,280
the first debut, like so for
length album, was fucking brilliant,

911
00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:00,280
so I hope this one is similar
and coming into sort of more underground death

912
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:06,639
metal stuff. We have Nocturnus ad
the kind of revived Nocturnus Unicursal the name

913
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:08,599
of their album. We have for
your you know, brutal death slammy stuff.

914
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:13,559
We've got Pathology releasing there probably like
one hundredth album. It's called Unholy

915
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,280
Descent. A band who again in
that sort of definitely so called be getting

916
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,079
a fair bit of buzz in previous
weeks. Excuse my pronunciation here, but

917
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:25,800
zomb Panteley. That is a band
who maybe from Mexico, maybe from the

918
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,760
USA, but with sort of Hispanic
members. But the record is certainly massively

919
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,480
stooped in, you know, sort
of like as tech and you know,

920
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:40,519
Latin American like asthetic and stuff.
And their promo pictures there appeared to be

921
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:45,360
about about ten guys in that band, and they look like they would fuck

922
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,039
you up, and the record certainly
sounds like it would just beat their hell

923
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:52,599
out of you. Similarly, Bat
just bat under the Crooked Claw. That

924
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:55,639
is a band that features I believe
what's his name, Ryan Waste the guitari

925
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:59,239
from Municipal Waste, but doing like
a kind of like more black speed metally

926
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:04,119
type thing bats because of course he
is. Then we have Golden Veil of

927
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:06,599
the Fallen. That is the band
formed by the guy who used to be

928
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:09,840
in winter, so very heavy like
hell hammer s kind of death doom stuff

929
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:15,880
for your like proper psychedelic stoner sludge
sort of stuff, Ulfa Mammut back with

930
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,960
Hidden Botanist, back with Pale your
botany Botanist, the sort of hammered dulcimer

931
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,920
themed blamer band. They seem be
a real tary releases. I feel like

932
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,800
they've been in the type of a
lot in the last couple of years and

933
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,119
a couple of EPs for your kind
of like alternative rock grunge type stuff.

934
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:35,679
There's a soft cult with heaven and
like really just like noisy abrasive stuff,

935
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:39,760
civil legies with no life. So
that is a lot this time. Thank

936
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:44,079
you very much for being with us. As I said, hop over to,

937
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:45,679
that's not a folks group. If
you want to kind of get in

938
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:49,159
involved with this for next week or
anything like that, if you want to

939
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:52,559
hear, and you should are sure
to be pretty massive. I will say

940
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,880
I feel like we should we should
schedule an early record session for us because

941
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,079
it's going to be a big one. Sepulturer Band Special Part one is going

942
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:07,320
to be coming early next week,
covering the the nineteen eighties birth of Brazil's

943
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:13,480
most famous metal export and some classic
records are included there. Absolutely yeah,

944
00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:15,039
that's gonna be on that sort of
Patreon patron dot corm slash. That's not

945
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:19,920
metal and that is what helps this
podcast stay alive and keep going. Otherwise,

946
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,400
we will see you here next week. We'll have more reviews in a

947
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,760
couple of weeks time. Actually that
maybe next week if you looking at my

948
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,800
schedule. Mm yeah, I'm right, So yeah, next week Friday will

949
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:35,840
be actually be the May review show, So get excited and we'll see you

950
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:36,800
there for all that. Bye bye,