WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.759 Ktr H Garden Line does not necessarily endorse any of the products or services advertised 2 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:19.160 on this program. Welcome to ktr H Garden Line with Skip Rictord so Trim 3 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:41.320 just watch him as anything. Clubs back, but not a sign. Well, 4 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:51.759 good morning, Sunday morning. We're looking forward to talking about things that 5 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:55.439 you are interested in this hour. We are fortunate this hour to have my 6 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:59.719 old friend, Jay White, my old friend, my friend of many years. 7 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.359 Otherwise it sounds like Jay, I'm calling you old and I think that 8 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:07.519 the pot cannot call the kettle black, right, So we're gonna not do 9 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:14.480 that. But seriously, Jay White is the owner the publisher of Texas Gardner 10 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:19.359 magazine. We've been friends a long long time. Uh, Jay Goes Goes 11 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.079 goes way back in time when it comes to Texas Gardening. He's been He's 12 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.239 very familiar with the Houston area. Certainly he has spent many years here. 13 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:30.239 Jay, Welcome to garden Line. We are so glad to have you today. 14 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:33.239 Thank you, Skip the very very happy to be here. Yeah, 15 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:37.640 that is that's good to have you. I mean, I feel fortunate Jay. 16 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:44.120 I mentioned this a little bit earlier, but you in Texas Gardener as 17 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:47.000 the new owner, not new. How long have you been doing Texas Gardner 18 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.799 now, so exactly a little over five years. July third was our fifth 19 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.560 anniversary. Seems like yesterday too, I know, it really does. It's 20 00:01:53.599 --> 00:02:00.560 flown. That's good. You know, people don't realize that they're no longer 21 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:05.560 state guarding magazines around. You know, there's not a Louisiana Gardner magazine, 22 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:10.479 Oklahoma Gardner magazine. I think there's some maybe that some national or statewide plant 23 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:15.000 society may do or something there. As far as we can tell, there 24 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:20.479 are five left that but they have sponsors and so, like the California Gardener 25 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:25.240 is sponsored by the Floral Association out there, okay, Pennsylvania Gardener is sponsored 26 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:30.120 by the State Hoarded Cultural Society, Okay, and so but I think, 27 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:34.639 you know, we're the last one's left that there's a for profit magazine. 28 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:37.879 And I really do believe we're going into our forty third year. And I 29 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.240 think what keeps us going is the people that write for us, like you, 30 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:45.960 well you you have a great slate. I'm telling you. The folks 31 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:50.159 that contribute to Texas Gardner, Uh, they know what they're doing. And 32 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:54.639 you know, the bye line is four Texas Gardener by Gardeners, by Texas 33 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.039 Gardeners, and that is really true. I know, you know, when 34 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:02.879 I read a vegetable article from Patty Er, I mean that lady she's been 35 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:07.960 hands in the dirt for a long long time and she knows what she's talking 36 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:10.039 about. And that is true. I mean, you got Greg Grant writing, 37 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:14.599 so I don't know how you pull that one off, kind of like 38 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:17.000 I pulled you off. He was here when I got here. Oh oh, 39 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:21.360 so you had you had compromising photos that he didn't want to see. 40 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:24.639 Now that the light of day is that, you know, I think this 41 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:28.599 is this is kind of interesting. Greg's been with us so long. I 42 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.120 know, You've been with us twenty five years. Greg's been with us in 43 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:36.439 that time frame, twenty eight something like that, and he actually took the 44 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.639 place of another gardening icon. I just think it's funny how many people have 45 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:46.400 come through Texas Gardner, but Howard Garrett he had that that spot that Greg 46 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:51.840 Grant took over twenty five thirty years ago. It is going back a long 47 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:54.080 long time. Yeah, the magazine really has run some of the best through 48 00:03:54.280 --> 00:04:00.759 Jerry Parsons, doctor Bill Welch. Yeah, so all good names and Randy 49 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:06.319 Lemon I remember that. Yeah, Randy wrote for some too, so well, 50 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:09.120 that's good. Well, it's good to have you here. We're gonna 51 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:12.360 talk all things gardening today. If you got some gardening questions you'd like to 52 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.279 visit with Jay about feel free to call in. It looks like the phones 53 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:19.680 are lightening up. Jay. I don't know you've you've got a little following 54 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:24.399 coming on here. Let's let's head straight out. We're gonna go to Southwest 55 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.759 Houston and we're gonna talk to Anthony. Well, good morning, Anthony, 56 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:31.199 welcome to Guardenline. Thank you, sir, my guarden and your plants. 57 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:36.959 Brook quick history. About three weeks ago, the plants leaves were getting guilty 58 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:43.199 and about four or five branches just brown dead. You can't bring dead back 59 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:46.319 to lie, so I cut them out and everything, and they were looking 60 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:51.000 well. And I'm noticing again about four branches on one plant and two on 61 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:59.279 another are round. I would say the dead or dying. Is it okay 62 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:03.319 for me to them in its heat? Well, I don't want to old 63 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:08.399 water. When you when you continually wet the foliage and keep it humid and 64 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:11.319 wet in there, you're gonna have more disease problems. And guardenias can get 65 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:15.199 some foliage, leaf spots and other things. I would check the soil moisture 66 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:19.360 content, check your sprinklers, turn them on, walk out there and look. 67 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:26.600 Maybe there are plant parts from other gardenias or other plants that are blocking 68 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:30.519 the spray. And there are certain areas that are not getting adequate water. 69 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.560 I would check for that. I would dig down about three or four inches 70 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.759 and feel the soil, see if it's moist I think this is a root 71 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:42.120 problem in guardenia's demand a constant supply. They don't want to be in a 72 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:45.879 swamp, but they want to constant supply a soil moisture. And I tell 73 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.519 you they will croak in a heartbeat if you don't if you don't give them 74 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:55.160 that these are in pots. Okay, oh wow, Okay, well now 75 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.839 yes, so now it's even more so a confined root system and easy to 76 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.959 easy to dry out. So just something to think about for alady. So 77 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:08.439 they get about two and a half three hours of direct sun and the rest 78 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:11.160 of the time they're in the heat. But what I did was pull them 79 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:15.399 out of the direct sun under my patio cover is that bad, No, 80 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:17.639 not at all. They in fact, they don't want to be out in 81 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:21.240 the full direct sign. They would like a little morning sun to be okay, 82 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:28.519 but a bright, bright, bright shade is a happy place for ann. 83 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:31.079 Do that all right? Yes, sir, thank you very much. 84 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:36.560 All right? Will you take care appreciate. So, Jay, we're we're 85 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:42.759 talking about all kinds of different topics and plants and whatnot. I've got a 86 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:44.920 fellow this called in. I want to go to that call, but after 87 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.680 we come back, I'd like to have a little tomato discussion with you. 88 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:51.160 You know, tomatoes or the king of the garden. They are. And 89 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:55.399 it's almost time to start over. Yep. We always say the three tas 90 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:58.600 that make the garden line phone ring, the extension office phone ring, or 91 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.680 trees, turf and tomatoes. Nobody ever calls me about their cale, Robbie, 92 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:06.399 tomatoes are popular. Let's go to the woodlands now and we are going 93 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:11.959 to talk to Earl. Hello Earl, Yes, go ahead. How can 94 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:16.639 we help today? Okay? I am building a small garden in the back 95 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:23.920 in my backyard. And what I did last year I bought some dirt and 96 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.399 I it was absolutely awful. I almost turned to see. Man, I 97 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:30.920 dug it all out, and I want to know what kind of soil to 98 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:36.399 put in my little garden. Okay, Jay, do you want to address 99 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:41.160 that or high earl? What I mean? What kind of soil do you 100 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:45.680 have in the yard? Well, the one in the yard, I don't 101 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:53.120 know. I just have it's mostly bermuda grass and in the yard. But 102 00:07:53.240 --> 00:08:00.199 in the backyard, I'm building this little little garden spot and and I don't 103 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.199 know what tap soil to put in it. Okay. So yeah, And 104 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:07.439 when you say little, I mean I understand when people start building these gardens, 105 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.160 these raised beds, they understand that bag soils are kind of expensive. 106 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.639 So I mean, how how large of a small garden are you talking? 107 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:22.160 It's probably about ten by tans something like that. Oh yeah, I'm sorry, 108 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.399 Yea'll go ahead. No, that's a very ten by tens of very 109 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.120 manageable size. So are you in a neighborhood, yes, yeah, So 110 00:08:31.159 --> 00:08:35.039 a lot of times in the neighborhoods, you know, you really don't know 111 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.720 what soil is right under that layer of top soil, and so that's why 112 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:41.919 they always recommend that you go up. So if you're going to build a 113 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:46.039 garden, you need to come up at least six to twelve inches if you 114 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:50.000 can. And then you want to go back and like to say, if 115 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:54.360 you've bought top soil or something like that from somebody and you just dump that 116 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.480 in there, you're gonna find out a lot of times it will turn into 117 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:01.879 concrete or or something very much like it. So you're gonna want to get 118 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.720 something if you're gonna improve that, you're gonna want something that's a lot of 119 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:09.840 um organic material in it. But if you've removed it and you want to 120 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:15.720 start from scratch, just go back with a high quality bed mix like Heirloom 121 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.159 Soils is. They're one of our advertisers and they really do make a nice 122 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.759 product. And so because what you need is you need drainage, you need 123 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:28.360 tilth, and you need nutrition and you're gonna high quality betting mix will have 124 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:30.840 that. Yeah, hey, earl, can you hang on just a minute. 125 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.399 I've got a hard break. I'm facing here and we'll come back to 126 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.720 you if you can hang on, sure, sure, all right, just 127 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:41.159 do that Our phone number seven one three two one two five eight seven four. 128 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:58.919 Well, good morning, you are listening to Guardline. I'm your host, 129 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.360 skip Ricker, and we are fortunate today to have my friend Jay White 130 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:05.919 here with us in the studio. Jay, thanks for coming and sticking around. 131 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:07.519 Thanks. We're gonna try to hang on to you for an hour and 132 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.600 pick your brain. If that's okay, look forward to it. All right, 133 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:13.360 good, we're on the head back out now. We were in a 134 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:18.679 conversation earl. We're in a conversation about garden beds and things like that. 135 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:24.360 You know you're in conro right now. We're in the in the woodlands. 136 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:28.480 Oh, in the woodlands. Oh wow. Okay, Well, if you 137 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:33.120 if you just head up the street street me and I forty five, you've 138 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:37.360 got Nature's Way Resources right there where fourteen eighty eight comes into Interstate forty five, 139 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:43.399 and they have got a couple of really good quality mixes that would fit 140 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:48.200 your garden bed plan that I've been hearing you described there. So one would 141 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:52.480 be called Garden and Flower bed Mix and another one would be called garden mix 142 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:54.639 Light. You can go either way. I mean, you've got a rose 143 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.679 soil in there too, but one of those two is probably going to be 144 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:03.600 your best bed. You can either get a bolt delivery dumped on the driveway 145 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:05.720 or you know, you can go buy and pick it up if you happen 146 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:07.960 to have someone or you or someone has a little trailer, or you can 147 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:11.559 just buy a whole bunch of bags of it. But at ten by ten 148 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:13.960 area, that's going to take a lot of bags to fill that up. 149 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.360 So you kind of have to do the math to figure out which is a 150 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:22.320 better way to go. But do you know, I think I'm this that's 151 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.320 where I got my soiled the first time, I think, But I it 152 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:30.600 was a poor, very poor grade of soil well that I got. I've 153 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:37.480 never heard that about Nature's way. So I they high quality sta it's right 154 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.679 off of forty five on the east side of yeah, SAMs and all that. 155 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.320 It's or they have all the different types of dirties. That's when you're 156 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.519 talking about Yeah, that's it. That is it. They are the originators 157 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.960 of Rossau, They're originators of leafmold compost, and they, I mean, 158 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:58.240 when it comes down to the science how to make good soil. H John 159 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.600 Ferguson knows how to do that. And then and I and his son who's 160 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:05.399 running the place is Uh is also very knowledgeable. I would grab a little 161 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:07.399 bit of your soil put in a little sick and carry it in there and 162 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:09.759 say, here's what I'm looking at. What do you what do you have? 163 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:15.240 What do you recommend? And I'm seeing their products and they're they're very 164 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:20.399 very good, excellent And the name of the place is right now, Nature's 165 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:24.840 Way Resources. Yeah, yeah, that's that's where I went. But I 166 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.120 just got a poor or grade. Well, I don't I can't answer on 167 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.600 that one, but I can tell you that they've got good stuff. So 168 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.000 go see them and check that out. You know, Jay mentioned heirloom soil, 169 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.399 they had good quality stuff as well. I mean, we're fortunately here 170 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.519 to have options. But gosh, this is just down the street from you. 171 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:43.799 I sure would, I sure would talk to them, take some of 172 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.440 your soil in, talk to them about what your experience has been, and 173 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.360 I know they'll they'll make it right, okay. And and that's where I 174 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.519 get it. All the you know, the bed all fix what is the 175 00:12:54.639 --> 00:13:00.679 good? Something that's good I can plant right now? Like you cum version 176 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.759 what else? Oh gosh, well, you can plan a lot of good 177 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:05.399 things, Jay, what do you what would you recommend planning this? You 178 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:09.440 can always plan, okra, Yes, you can lots of okra. I'd 179 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:16.039 grow okra in the winter if I could find a heater big enough. No, 180 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.039 I know, cucumbers is a good time to plant cucumbers this year, 181 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.639 isn't it. Yeah, here's the thing. You know, cucumbers are gonna 182 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:28.600 take about forty eight fifty five days to hit maturity, and so you want 183 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.840 to count back. You would like him to do that at the end of 184 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.000 September. You know, that'd be a good time. So if you come 185 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:39.440 backwards, that's going to put you, you know, in August doing that 186 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:45.919 cucumber planting for the fall. Okay, and August fifteenth is typically a good 187 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:50.399 time to plant your tomatoes. You're smaller tomatoes too for your fall. All 188 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:56.159 right, that's what I'll do, Dan, I hear. I really appreciate 189 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.000 your information. Man, Well, thank you, thank you for listening to 190 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:03.000 the show, and appreciate that call. Jay. I want to talk about 191 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:07.360 tomatoes a little bit. That is a topic, and we're gonna we'll talk 192 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:09.120 a little while. We'll go to a call here and then come back and 193 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:16.159 continue. But you know, nothing inspires the vegetable gardener like a vine ripe 194 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.720 tomato. Right, that's right. It just read I read a stat one 195 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:26.440 time when they interviewed gardeners across the world that they found out that eighty six 196 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:30.159 percent of people that have a vegetable garden have tomatoes in them somewhere. Wow, 197 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:33.519 that's impressive. That is impressive. That was not the truth. That 198 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.960 was not the same stat for eggplant. I can promise you, well, 199 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.919 that's good. Yeah, And there's a lot of work being done on breeding. 200 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:43.919 Of course, the professional breeders with the companies have been breeding tomatoes forever. 201 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.559 I don't know what we would do if we had a gardening season without 202 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.679 at least five to ten new tomato varieties. I think the world would come 203 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.639 to a halt and stop turning on its axis. But we always have lots 204 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:58.240 of new ones. I want to talk to you. We're gonna take a 205 00:14:58.279 --> 00:14:58.919 call here when we come back. I want to talk about some of the 206 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:05.240 home breeders. You've got some good information on some things being done by amateurs. 207 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:07.519 That's right across the country. Right now, we're going to head out 208 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:13.039 to Liverpool and talk to Trish. Trish, are you talking about the home 209 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:18.080 of the Beatles or what here? What's Liverpool? No, No, Liverpool, 210 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:26.320 Texas You get where that Texas twining. Um, I've got watermelon bed. 211 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.720 I didn't think it was going to do very well, but all of 212 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:37.480 a sudden exploded. And I've got several in different stages of maturity. There's 213 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:39.919 one that I know that it's going to be ready to pick, but i've 214 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.240 you know, it says if you want it to be sweet, you need 215 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:48.679 to cut back on the watering about a week before you pick it. But 216 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.000 with this heat that we have, if I cut back on the watering, 217 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:56.279 the other melons are going to suffer from it. Okay, So well, 218 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:58.919 let me let me just do idea. Yeah, let me make some comments 219 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.960 about that claim. Uh, watermelons need a lot of water. And you 220 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:08.159 know there are some melons like cantaloupes that if you just get gully washers of 221 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.519 rain and it's been dry, but then you get gully washers, they tend 222 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.080 to fill up and be a little less tasty. Also, rain means cloudy 223 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.720 weather, and cloudy weather means they're not making carbohydrates. So I don't know 224 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:21.960 how much of it is the rain and how much of it is the lack 225 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:25.759 of sunlight, But as far as you're watering, I would water them as 226 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:30.120 to what they need sunlight and healthy leaves are gonna are gonna make a sweet 227 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:33.639 watermelon, Is that right? Okay, well, then I'll make sure I 228 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:40.200 give it another good saturation today. Yeah, and make sure it's miss about 229 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:41.679 three or four days. Yeah. Good. Well, if you if you 230 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:47.240 don't water them regularly, watermelons can get blossom en drought like tomatoes do, 231 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:49.240 where the calcium doesn't make it to the end of the fruit, and so 232 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:56.039 an ariatic watering system can cause those problems. But the main thing is picking 233 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:57.320 it at the right time. And there's a lot of ways we go by 234 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:02.159 trying to figure that out. But you pick them too early, and they're 235 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:04.160 not going to be fully If it's a red watermelon, not gonna be red 236 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:07.119 all the way to the outside. Uh. If you pick them too late, 237 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:11.519 they get mealy and oh my gosh, mealy watermelons, or they used 238 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:19.240 to hang in touches for serving mealy watermelons. Well, the tendril, the 239 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:25.720 little tendril that's that's associated with that particular watermelon, the very tip of its 240 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:30.559 starting to dry out. Okay, well, when the when the whole tendril 241 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.960 needs to be dry, that's that's one trick Another one is to turn them 242 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:37.000 over, and where that watermelon sits on the ground, there's going to be 243 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:40.960 a spot that's not as green as the west of the watermelon, and it's 244 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:44.960 going to go from that to kind of a chartruse green, uh and and 245 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.839 kind of to a whitish color. And but when you start to see kind 246 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.559 of a creamy color, I don't know, not not fully like them Manila 247 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:56.519 folder, but in that direction, that's a sign that it's getting ripe too. 248 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:00.440 Yeah, it is it the white, it's I think it's turned into 249 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:04.480 that color, the creamy color, but it's not quite there yet. All 250 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:07.880 right, Okay, well then I'll just give it a few more days. 251 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.400 All right, good Jay? You have any other thoughts on watermelons or did 252 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:14.000 we cover it there? I don't know. But it's been a good year. 253 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.279 We got some in Himstead the other day and it was the best watermelon 254 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:19.200 I've ever had in my life. So that's saying a lot. So I 255 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:22.440 think that's encouraging for your caller. There you go, Hey, Trish, 256 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:27.720 thank you so much. I appreciate that. I want to go back to 257 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:33.400 this tomato thing. Jay, tell me a little bit about what you've what 258 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.759 you've been learning. I mean, I know in Texas Gardner there's article way 259 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:41.240 back when about this, but about hobby breeders and tomatoes, right, I 260 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:47.240 mean probably we back I can't remember. They all kind of run together after 261 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:51.079 Wall. But after two or three years ago we were in an article called 262 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:56.839 Dwarf Tomatoes, bicontinent breeding, Bear's Big Bounty, and it was time. 263 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:02.759 That's right. People love that alliteration. But anyway, it's about a like 264 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:07.039 you say, an amateur breeder named Craig Lajoie who teamed up with a girl 265 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:15.319 in Australia named Petrina Newski Small and they are both amateur breeders, and they 266 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.759 work together because of the opposite seasons, and so they breed. He'll grow 267 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:23.119 out some in America. Six months later she's grown the same thing in Australia. 268 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:29.279 And so they can bring a bunch of these tomato crosses to market relatively 269 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:33.039 quickly. And what they're trying to do or make things for the homeowner too, 270 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:37.640 the patio gardener or whatever. These are tomatoes that are going to be 271 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.839 smaller in stature, smaller fruit, but they're going to work good, you 272 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:47.079 know, in a container on your driveway and this year, I actually tried 273 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:49.839 four of their different or five of their different varieties, and I was quite 274 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:55.079 impressed they were. They produced some very nice tomatoes. They got kind of 275 00:19:55.160 --> 00:20:00.519 like the size of a determinant variety, but they acted more like an determinant 276 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.960 on how they put their fruit on and everything. And they were very good. 277 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:07.480 I mean, my favorite one was called Tasty Wine and it looks very 278 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:12.319 similar and taste very similar to brandywine. And if you've ever grown brandywine, 279 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:15.240 you know that thing can get six foot tall, six foot in diameter. 280 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:18.960 And this one I grew in a what I call a lick tub or a 281 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:22.839 mineral tub, and it did awesome. And then out of the other ones 282 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:26.440 that were the best was that was called Purple Heart, and it was kind 283 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.599 of a small, smallish tomato, smaller than a celebrity, but it was 284 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.000 not, you know, grape size, And this was a small tomato, 285 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:38.880 but it produced very well and it is still producing today now not very much, 286 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:41.920 but it's still got two or three little tomatoes hanging on, and it's 287 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:45.960 got flowers in this heat. That is cool. You know, having that 288 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:51.240 northern hemisphere Southern hemisphere, I mean, you do double. I need find 289 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:53.000 somebody in southern hemisphere to help me from my ocra, because that's right. 290 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:56.000 I can only grow ocra one time a year in the summer, and maybe 291 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:59.279 I could grow it in there in the winter and I could speed this thing 292 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:02.319 up. You can only grow at one time in the summer here, but 293 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:06.359 summer here last last time. It lasts all, so sometimes you get two 294 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:10.200 or three crops in that's true. That is true. Hey, if you 295 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:14.880 are interested in birds and you just enjoy backyard birds, which I think everybody 296 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.000 should, you need to check out a will Birds Unlimited. You know, 297 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:19.200 this is the time of year, by the way, where birds need water. 298 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:23.160 In fact, I was down at the wild Birds down at Memorial Area 299 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:26.720 and talking to them the other day about all the different kinds of bird baths 300 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.119 they have and the water the supply lines that you can have set up, 301 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:33.200 and it's really nice. They've got the super blend that you need to be 302 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:37.400 feeding now too, and that is you know, our birds are about to 303 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.400 go into molting in facts, I'm I'm already are, and they need a 304 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.880 quality food during that time to keep their plumage in top condition. So all 305 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:49.079 the way through August, the super nesting super blend they call it. Is 306 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:52.519 the feed you need to put out there. You need to get a good 307 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.599 quality feed or two. I have the squirrel excluder, and I have never 308 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.920 heard squirrels cuss like they do in my backyard. But they cannot get into 309 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:03.079 that darn thing. It's horrible the language they use. But you need to 310 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:07.960 get you one of those. Hey, go to WBU dot com forward slash 311 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:12.799 Houston and you can find out about the wall birds nearest to you. Don't 312 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:29.599 drive do the watermelon crome. The fans started fleeing watermelon Queen Jos can find 313 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:33.119 the music appropriate to the situation. You're listening to garden Line. I'm your 314 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:37.119 host, Skip Richter our phone number seven one three two one two five eight 315 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.960 seven four. We're talking with Jay White if Texas Gardner today. First thing 316 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:44.519 we're gonna do right now, though, is go grab a couple of calls 317 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:49.200 out there, John V. How are things in League City wonderful? Skip 318 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:53.880 and mister White. Yes, I have a question about some land. I 319 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:59.880 would like to turn it into a rainforest. It's about fifty three acres of 320 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.920 land, and I know it's a big project, but I just wanted to 321 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:10.160 see about how I should start with the soil and yeah, well that's a 322 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:12.559 boy, that's a challenge. So with that much land, you know, 323 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:15.720 all these things we talk about in the garden where put composts down there and 324 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.599 throw some expanded jail on it. You're not going to do that to fifty 325 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:22.839 three acres. This is not going to work. What you probably need to 326 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:29.000 do is talk to the Texas Forest Service. They have folks here in town. 327 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:36.519 In fact, the urban forester foresters here in town are they're geared toward, 328 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:38.920 you know, trees throughout you know, an urban type area. They 329 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:42.839 can give you advice on the species that are going to do the best for 330 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:47.200 you so as you develop it. If you need to plant anything, they 331 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:51.279 can give you some suggestions. When it comes to I've got trees, what 332 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:52.839 do I take out? What do I leave? They can help and guide 333 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.640 you. They call that woodlot management, but they can guide you on, 334 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:02.960 you know, how to make it the best forested setting you can, considering 335 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:06.680 our local climate and soils. That that I would refer you to them. 336 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:08.160 I don't have their phone number off the top of my head, but if 337 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:14.440 you just do Texas Forest Service or Urban forest or Houston, there you're gonna 338 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:18.519 be able to find them. Oh wonderful. I'm so thrilled and excited. 339 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.519 Well, good, well, I hope you have a face. Sounds like 340 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:26.359 you got a heck of a project. There's a good luck getting it all 341 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.400 together. Hopefully a couple of years will be open. But I'll take some 342 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.480 time. Well it may take more than a couple of years, but you 343 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:36.920 know a couple of decades. They take ten years before you can bring in 344 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.759 some monkeys to swing from the trees. But thank you, John v. 345 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.319 I. I really appreciate your call. We're gonna go out now and talk 346 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:48.680 to Mo and Spring and Mo. I believe we're gonna talk about tomatoes. 347 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:56.160 How are you doing? I like homestead tomatoes. Are there a lot higher 348 00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:03.440 plant on the outside instead of end my little greenhouse? You can grow homestead 349 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:07.119 outside. It's an older variety. It's been a long time. In fact, 350 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:10.319 I don't remember ever growing a homestead, but I know they've been around 351 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:14.119 as long as I can remember. It seems like they've been homestead tomatoes. 352 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.039 Well, I got to homestead beefy ones and the little cherry ones I've got 353 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:22.400 growing right now, and I wanted to move them outside. I wonder if 354 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:23.640 this is a great time to do it. I would go ahead and do 355 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:26.319 it. If if you've got them and you can plan them out, go 356 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:29.440 ahead. I mean, you can put them out a little bit later. 357 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:33.519 But homestead, I think it's gonna take a little longer in days to harvest. 358 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:36.839 If I remember right, I believe it's gonna be up in the seventy 359 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:40.000 eight day range. But I'm not sure of that. But I would rather 360 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.079 get them out and get them growing, so when it finally cools off, 361 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.400 you can get some tomatoes off those things. Yeah. I have to find 362 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:52.720 my neighboring his okra, all right, And I am highly allergy to okra 363 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:56.039 and he knows it and it will kill me, so I have to stay 364 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.640 away from me. Oh my gosh. Well yeah that's that. I love 365 00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:02.839 it, but it don't love me, Okay, all right, I get 366 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:06.359 it. Hey, mother, thank you so much. I appreciate that call 367 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:11.720 and the other question I had for you, Skip, I tell your friends 368 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.799 I like his garden book. Well, I like his garden book. Two. 369 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:19.720 Jay, think you got a fan there. Thank you, Mo. 370 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:25.640 I appreciate you. Alcome, Hey, thank you for the call. Mo. 371 00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:30.400 We really appreciate it. You have a nice day, you two, 372 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:34.319 you two, you take care. You know, Jay As, you've been 373 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:40.640 producing Texas Gardener now for a while and it's no news to you that people 374 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:45.000 are into tomatoes? Is it? That is correct? I mean, without 375 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.160 making the sound like a shameless plug, Our biggest selling article are an issue 376 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.680 of every year is what the January February issue is what we call the tomato 377 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.559 issue. And literally this year we sold every magazine that we printed. We've 378 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:02.920 printed sixteen thousand magazines and we sold every one of them. And so so 379 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.920 anyway, if you like tomatoes and you want to try Texas Gardener, January 380 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:10.880 February is the article or is the issue you want to sign up for? 381 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:12.599 Well, you know what, we haven't talked about this, but if just 382 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:17.400 in a nutshell here, if somebody would like to check out Texas Gardner, 383 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:19.720 what are their options and how do they go about that? Well, we've 384 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:23.359 got the website Texas Gardner dot com, and so you can go out there 385 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:27.480 and it lists all of our products. But basically, we sell print subscriptions, 386 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.720 we sell digital subscriptions, and then we have a thing that we call 387 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.319 a planning guide, which I think is just awesome. It's kind of a 388 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.559 day by day what you need to do in your garden, but it also 389 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:41.759 gives you places to record what you're doing and like when the rain came and 390 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.720 when the freezes came, and when the bugs showed up. So it's really 391 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.880 a nice little garden journal. And so there's so many ways that you can 392 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:53.640 consume our magazine and the information in it. Some of our momipop garden centers 393 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:59.359 here we'll even carry Texas Gardeners. Somebody wanted to sample one before they subscribe. 394 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.200 You can go to a mom and pop, buy an issue and just 395 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:03.759 check it out. That's right. It's not just the mom and pops. 396 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.920 We're in a lot of the nurseries here in the Houston the Gulf South area, 397 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.680 and we're very fortunate to be there. But we're also in HB. 398 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:18.319 Barnes and Nobles, Walmart, Tractors supply all food central markets. All right. 399 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.079 So there's the ubiquitous Texas Gardener magazine. Easy to find, y'all. 400 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.119 Lot to check it out. I mean, I know, I'm biased. 401 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:29.400 Have been writing for him since pretty much. There's there's some dirt and soils 402 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:32.559 and Texas that are not have not been around as long as I've been writing 403 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:37.720 for Texas car not many though not many, But seriously, though it is, 404 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.240 it is a great magazine and lots lots of good fun stuff in it. 405 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:44.839 Let's see, we are going to head out nout to Jersey Village. 406 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.160 Hello, Bob, We've got about a minute and a half. How can 407 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:49.880 we help? If if we can, we'll get it done in a minute 408 00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:56.880 and a half. Is Bob there here? All right? How can't we? 409 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:03.400 Who go ahead? Gotta get you off feaker because that's not mood? 410 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.079 Okay, yeah, that's right, all right, I'm the one to call 411 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.680 it in about three waistbel about squirrels and tomatoes, okay, And I've been 412 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.920 doing using pepper. I try to find some hot pepper oil. Couldn't find 413 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:19.799 any, but I went by the mulating grow free Okay, they hands and 414 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:25.119 kneeme oil before I put that on the on my plants? Is it on 415 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:30.559 a sore being to the plant and cost problems? Okay? I know it 416 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:33.200 won't, but you've you've kind of opened a little bit of account of worms. 417 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:36.480 So what I'm gonna do is start to answer and then if if I 418 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:38.440 can put you on hold when we come back from break, we will continue 419 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.880 that and we'll get j involved as well. How does that sound? Sounds 420 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.079 great? All right? So the hot pepper oil is to burn the little 421 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:51.240 squirrels mouth. Birds hot pepper doesn't bother them, but but squirrels, it's 422 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:52.839 their mammals there. You know, like as you stick a hot pepper in 423 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.680 your mouth can burn you. The kneeme oil is not going to keep squirrels 424 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.240 away. It is an insecticide, and so it can kind of soak into 425 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.640 the tissues. And we'll talk more about that when we come back from break. 426 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.680 But our phone number if you'd like to call in get Josh to get 427 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:12.480 you on the board is seven one three two one two five eight seven four. 428 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.400 I forgot all about the sweating and dig and have the time I go 429 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:32.480 out and big all the two things that true love. I love that song. 430 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:37.400 Oh gosh, hey, we're back. You're listening to Texas to to 431 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:42.519 the Texas Gardener radio show. You're listening to guard Line Radio. We got 432 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:48.319 Texas Gardeners j White here and we are picking his brain today about some different 433 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.079 kinds of things related to plants and tomatoes, and certainly want to hear more 434 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.000 about the magazine. Bob, We're gonna come back to you now. I 435 00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.359 think we had started talking about the kneem oil. So I'm gonna let you 436 00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.319 if we are hitting on your question. Let me know if if I didn't 437 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:04.839 understand it, but please clarify. Okay. When I went to find some 438 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:11.359 the hottest peppers I could find to make hot pepper oil, you can't really 439 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.319 find it easily. The lady said, well, I have some neme oil 440 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:23.680 mating nme seeds that would be bitter and kinslow the squirrels down, and so 441 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.960 I was going to try that. They said, well, maybe maybe that 442 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:30.400 might not be the right thing to do, if you might soak into the 443 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:36.279 plant. Okay, well neem does so again, but it is very effective 444 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:41.359 as an insecticide against anything that choose up your leaves, for example, if 445 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.519 it's a leaf feeding like a caterpillar or a beetle. Name is a good 446 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:49.039 product for that, but it absolutely will not do anything to squirrels. You 447 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:53.240 can, okay, you can get hot peppers and make your own oil, 448 00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:57.400 but boy, that's a that's a chore. I would suggest you just go 449 00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:01.400 down and purchase them. If you go to a like a wall birds unlimited. 450 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:07.359 They're gonna have products that they put in bird seed that keeps the squirrels 451 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.200 out of the bird seed because the heat, believe it or not, doesn't 452 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:14.960 bother birds one bit, but as sure gets the squirrels. You'll find it 453 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:19.359 there. You can find hot pepper oil kind of things for sale, and 454 00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.640 and just that's the easy way. That's that's what I did when I was 455 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:27.680 trying to use something. But yeah, and the other option is you can 456 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.480 put a little bag over the fruit. If it's the larger to mate that 457 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:32.880 you need to put a bag over them. There's certain kinds of bags you 458 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:38.000 can buy that just kind of you know, keep the squirrels and things away 459 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:43.759 from them. Yeah, well squirrel squirrels can find their way through a baize 460 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:49.200 like you wouldn't believe. I mean, if I all right, one other 461 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:54.079 question, if I spray it with cam or something similar and then sprinkle uh 462 00:32:54.880 --> 00:33:00.279 cay anne pepper, crash canne pepper, but that work is similarly. I 463 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:07.720 have no idea the pam in the heat of summer, that oil you may 464 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:14.880 get some what we call phido toxasity, meaning burning the plant. I don't 465 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:16.799 know about that one. I mean there's a lot of home remedies are going 466 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.480 about things, but it sounds like you're making a little harder than we need 467 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.359 to make it. I would just get you a good hot pipper. I'll 468 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.599 just be willing to be ready to wipe it off, or your tomatoes are 469 00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.319 gonna be like you know, the rotels and the peppers for making a good 470 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:36.880 SALTI cheese sauce, all right, All right, then sounds like a winter 471 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.240 go Wow Birds Unlimited. I would give him a call and see, Yeah, 472 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:44.559 there's there's one near you see your Jersey Village, Jersey Village, Jersey 473 00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:45.839 Ville. I'm trying to bring that. Oh you're up north. There's a 474 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:52.160 wild Birds Unlimited up in the Cypress area and you just go to WBU dot 475 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:59.079 com forward slash Houston WBU for wild Birds Unlimited dot com forward slash Houston. 476 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.160 You can find it, all right, Thank you very much, Yes, 477 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:04.880 Sarah, thank you very much. Well, Jay Gosh, I told you 478 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.400 the hour will go fast and does. We're just not too far from the 479 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:12.199 end of the show here or from the end of this hour. H some 480 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:15.079 other things that you would find of interest. I don't know, you a 481 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:16.800 little bit of a challenge you're dealing with this year in the garden or some 482 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:22.400 some aspects of some upcoming things with the magazine. Well, I can tell 483 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.800 you there has been a challenge. I think this has been a very unusual 484 00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:30.079 year. I think we've had two or three really unusual years. You know, 485 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.280 we had such a nice, cool, wet spring, and then all 486 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.840 of a sudden, you know, this heat's turned on and it won't turn 487 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.360 off, and I've got stuff struggling this year. That's really I've never had 488 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:43.800 a problem with struggling. I mean, in fact, before I left, 489 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.800 I've got an heirloom begonia that has been in my wife's family seventy five eighty 490 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:51.360 years, and I'm worried about it, and so you know, I've moved 491 00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.199 it to the shade and i'm fertilizing it a little bit more. But it's 492 00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:59.719 just brutal out there. Yeah, And I mean the garden's about shriveled up. 493 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.639 Got some tigger melons. If you're familiar with those, they're still producing. 494 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:07.800 You don't know the tiger melons. Oh, they're a little like a 495 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:12.199 Winnie the pood tiger. They're about less than one pound melon. They're yellow 496 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.639 with orange stripes on them, white fruited, and they're awesome. Oh so 497 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:20.280 it's more like a kind of a muskmelon or it's like a musk melon or 498 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.679 a cantlope. But it's a smooth skin, it's a it's a lovely little 499 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:27.119 plant and one and I love it because the grandkids love it. You know, 500 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.400 you can get them to eat a cantaloupe if it looks like Tigger from 501 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.920 Winnie the Pooh. So but it's you know, so it's hanging on. 502 00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.760 You know, tomatoes are done and they were really done early. So I 503 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.079 mean, this has really been a brutal, brutal year, especially for people 504 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:45.039 growing in containers. I'm finding that more and more. In fact, I 505 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:52.199 did a talk, did a couple of talks recently on hot weather garden greens. 506 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.199 And if you go to places of the world that are as hot and 507 00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.039 humid as Houston, you know, I mean we're talking about the tropics. 508 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.360 We're talking about calcut India, you know, right, those kind of places. 509 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:07.440 You're going to find some things that are very successfully growing there that do 510 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.760 we here, Like black eyed peas, alcohol peas. They came from Africa 511 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.559 and and so they get over here and are hot, hum humidity, and 512 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:17.519 they just laugh and say, we're at home. Oh yeah, And I 513 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:22.360 think we're gonna have to find more and more vegetables like that. We are 514 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.480 going to end up with some very unique gardening seasons. I agree. I 515 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:30.440 mean, things really are changing. And just because things are changing doesn't mean 516 00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:35.880 you can't grow here. I'm sorry, Oh go ahead, It doesn't mean 517 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:37.159 you can't grow here. But like you say, you are going to have 518 00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:42.239 to be more willing to experiment in your garden. Try different varieties, maybe 519 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.519 try something. You know, you've written several articles for us for the heat 520 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:51.320 loving greens, and our heat loving periods are getting longer, and so you 521 00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.079 may need to start experiment more with some of this molochai or some of these 522 00:36:54.239 --> 00:37:00.239 other things outside of the traditional lettuces and spinishes kales that we think of. 523 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.440 Yeah, because you know, when you say the word greens, I mean 524 00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.239 everything that comes to mind is cool season. You know, spinach, collards, 525 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:16.440 kale uh uh let us those kind of things. So the goal of 526 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:22.280 our gardens is to always have something coming up that's right. And just because 527 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.519 it's summer, we've got plants that can do it. You know, our 528 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:30.039 tomatoes. Cherry tomatoes hang on pretty well compared to the big slicers. But 529 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:37.480 you know, it's like the skin becomes cellphones. The quality degrades quite a 530 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:40.079 bit, a little less, something not so much, something to write write 531 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:44.400 home about. We were at a pool party yesterday and they had sun Gold, 532 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.360 which is an awesome tomato. Still doing well but like says a little 533 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:50.559 tough, Yeah, it is good one. It is a good one. 534 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.480 Well. I I so appreciate you guys, uh you know, publishing Texas 535 00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:59.639 Gardener, making it available for gardeners. I uh it it. I read 536 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:05.199 it myself to learn and I mean when I mentioned Patty, I mentioned you 537 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.559 know, Greg Grant. There's just a lot of good writers that you guys 538 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:12.719 have writing for it is and I learned something every time. Keith Hanson for 539 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.280 Horticultures, the Igord Life up in the Tyler area. Oh yeah, excellent 540 00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:21.280 job and it is very informative. It is a good magazine. I think 541 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:23.639 really like to say this fact that we're still here as a testament to those 542 00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:28.239 writers. And right now I think it's more important than ever because we have 543 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.960 so many new gardeners in the state. But if you're new to Texas. 544 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:36.719 You don't know how to grow like you write an activity checklist in every issue 545 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.199 that tells you what you should be doing right now in your garden. If 546 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:43.719 you're new to the state, that's indispensable. Yea by step. Yeah, 547 00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:45.559 and you know the best thing of all, I know some people save these. 548 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.239 I've had people that just have decades of Texas gardener. I think you 549 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.400 need to take the staples out and lay the paper on the ground as a 550 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:57.159 mulch, watered in and throw something on top of it, and that your 551 00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:01.280 garden will do better. Except if it's an article I wrote, don't use 552 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:06.199 that one because that has way too much of nitrogen in it. If you 553 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.519 know what I mean, Well, you can burn your plants with that kind 554 00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.079 of bologny. All right, I go. Jay. It's been so good 555 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.880 having you here. Thank you for coming in and visiting. I hope you'll 556 00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:19.440 come back again, so I'll come anytime you ask. That is good. 557 00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.800 Well, we've been visiting with Jay White from Texas Gardner Magazine. We got 558 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:27.800 one more hour left in the books this weekend. We're here every Saturday from 559 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.760 six am to ten am and Sunday from six am to ten am. So 560 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:34.159 we got one more hour. If you'd like to call, give Josh a 561 00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:38.800 call. It is seven one three two one two fifty eight seventy four seven 562 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:43.559 one three two one two ktrh. He will get you on the boards and 563 00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.320 when we come back we'll talk to you. Oh and by the way, 564 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:49.639 Jay, you and I both are going to be at Oba Palooza, which 565 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.280 is August the fifth. That's a Saturday. That's next all day, next 566 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:59.800 weekend all day ten amazing organic speakers. Go online to Oba Online, oh 567 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.840 A online, dot org, slash register to find out more information about that