1 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:38,840 What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Let's Ask Paul, the 2 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,759 podcast where you get to ask me Paul Abernathy anything you want about the National 3 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,600 Electrical Code and all things electrically related. If selected, your question will be 4 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,759 featured on an upcoming podcast much like today's, or I will respond in an 5 00:00:54,759 --> 00:00:58,159 email. But remember, all you have to do is you have to go 6 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,560 to Paul Abernathy dot com and simply put your name in email address and put 7 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,079 your question in and again, if selected, will be on an upcoming podcast 8 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:10,640 or responded in an email. Please be patient. We have tons of them 9 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,159 and I'm trying to get through them and sort through them. So again, 10 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:15,560 it takes time to be able to get to all that. So again, 11 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:19,439 I appreciate you sending in those questions. Though it's totally paid for by weeks, 12 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,599 it's sponsored, you don't have to worry about a cost. Then, 13 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,959 just remember I can't be your personal consultants, so don't ask me how to 14 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:32,079 do an installation, ask me a code question, ask me something else in 15 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:36,719 electrical industry, how to start, how to promote, But don't ask me 16 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,280 to be your consultant, because I can't do it unless you want to do 17 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:44,840 a paid consulting again liability reasons only, I cannot design your system. Okay, 18 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,920 all right, enough of that, all right. So also I want 19 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,200 to give a couple announcements to a couple of products that we have over on 20 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:56,840 our website fastracksystem dot com. Y'all all heard me talk about the voltage drop 21 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,560 NFC cards. They are really thick and the NFC if you don't tell us 22 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,400 what you want it to scan to, we'll scan it to our mobile app 23 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:07,799 so you can get access to all the tools right away that are on our 24 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,120 mobile app if you don't have it already installed on your phone. And then 25 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:15,000 we also have new what's called conductor length cards. Now, these cards are 26 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,599 designed to tell you how much wires still left on a reel in a barrel, 27 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,879 or maybe on a coil of MCA or something like that, or maybe 28 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:29,960 our pull pros that we have at Encore, all those type of things. 29 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,960 But anyway, this conductor link will get you really, really really close. 30 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,719 And it's all based on ambient temperature, so you'll need to know what the 31 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:39,080 temperature is approximately in the area that you're at, although I will tell you 32 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,919 on the back. We give a wide range from seventy five to ninety because 33 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,719 that's typically the area that you might be in a conditioned space. It's not 34 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,039 going to help you try to measure it if you're out in a one hundred 35 00:02:51,039 --> 00:02:55,240 degrees outside, although you can probably assimilate what the changes would be, but 36 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,199 we give you most of that on the back of the card. These are 37 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:06,360 thick cards, forty five mili a millimeters thick, and they're engraved and it 38 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,000 gives you step by step and then if you don't want to use our values 39 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:10,719 on the back, we actually show you how to take the values from the 40 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Chapter nine Table eight, which is based on one hundred and sixty seven degrees 41 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:21,599 fahrenheit seventy five degrees celsius, and we convert them for you so that you 42 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,039 don't have to but there is a formulae here for you to do it. 43 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,800 And the reason that we're using everything in fahrenheit is because in order to measure 44 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,960 resistance, you have to have the ambient temperature and the wire has to be 45 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,199 acclimated to the ambient temperature that you're testing in order for you to get an 46 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,439 accurate resistance over the length of the conductor. And that's the only way the 47 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:45,759 equation can be really accurate. I'll give you an example. We did a 48 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:51,560 test with what the NEC said at one hundred and sixty seven degrees fahrenheit at 49 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:54,199 for one thousand feet of twelve gauge, which is one point nine to three 50 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,719 ohms per thousand feet, and we had a thousand foot roll. Well, 51 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,039 if you use that table, it said there was only eight hundred sum feet 52 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,000 on the role. If you use the ambient temperature, it was right dead 53 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:10,319 on at a thousand feet. We knew that role was exactly a thousand feet, 54 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,840 So you know, we've tested it out. But again, many people 55 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,240 teach you how to determine the remainder by using resistance, but they don't take 56 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:24,439 into effect the ambient temperature. That is going to be a key player when 57 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,240 you're trying to measure lengths. So we do that for you on this card. 58 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,560 It's available on our website. Go check it out. It's under the 59 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:36,240 engraved Products over on fasttracksystem dot com. All right, so let's get into 60 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:42,240 today's question. Today's question was submitted through the portal. It says, Dear 61 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,600 Paul, I watch your videos and listen to your podcast all the time. 62 00:04:45,879 --> 00:04:48,639 Thank you for everything you do for the trade, We're most welcome, says 63 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:54,199 I'm about to start a new project to install at two hundred and AM three 64 00:04:54,279 --> 00:05:00,839 phase meter and panel three OT copper conductors. This installation will be in the 65 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:04,240 basement of a building. Okay. So it's a two part question. Okay, 66 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,480 So this is the first part. Situation is I will be running RMC 67 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:15,160 conduit for the service raceway, but just before I get to the meter, 68 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:21,959 I will be transitioning to RMC to five feet FMC to the top of the 69 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,639 meter. Do you need a supply side bonding jumper over the FMC section? 70 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:32,199 Okay, So first of all, let's talk about the FMC. The question 71 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:38,839 that everybody will have is can you use FMC to enclose service entrance conductors? 72 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:43,920 Any answer to that is yes. If you go to two thirty forty three, 73 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:49,120 item number fifteen, it says it flexible metal conduit or FMC not over 74 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:57,519 six feet long okay, okay, not over six feet long between a raceway 75 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:02,480 or between a raceway and service equipment, and with a supply side bonding jumper 76 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:10,680 routed with the flexible metal conduit according to two fifty one zero two ABC and 77 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:15,639 E. So the answer to the first part of the question is can I 78 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,639 do that? Well, you said your FMC was only five feet, Absolutely, 79 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:25,439 and do you have to put in the bonding jumper. Absolutely, And 80 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:31,279 you'll get all of that right from two thirty forty three Item fifteen. So 81 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:36,439 that answer pretty much answers that question. The second part of the question says, 82 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:43,120 I will be using two feet of flexible metal conduit FMC from the meter 83 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:48,439 to the panel. Because of flexibility, do I need to run a supply 84 00:06:48,519 --> 00:06:54,800 side bonding jumper from the panel from the panel to the meter and install two 85 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:00,000 bonding bushings with lay in lugs at both ends in size based on Table two 86 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:06,839 fifty one oh two C one, the equipment has eccentric and concentric KOs Okay, 87 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,480 so brings in two parts to this one. Obviously, any anywhere that's 88 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:17,199 going to have service entrance conductors and you're going to be using FMC, you're 89 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,360 going to have to have a supply side bonding jumper. Shear fact that it 90 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:25,199 has service conductors in it tells you that it's on the supply side of the 91 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,560 service disconnect. Now again, other people would would would would kind of go 92 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:33,600 in and say, well, what about emergency disconnects. But he never said 93 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:38,800 anything about this being a dwelling is at the basement of a building, So 94 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:42,480 I'm not going to speculate on any other application. I'm not going to speculate 95 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,480 of grouping. I'm not going to speculate whether there's more than one service to 96 00:07:45,519 --> 00:07:48,399 a building. There's many of you out there who will speculate I am. 97 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:54,079 I am not as a as an expert in consulting. I have learned through 98 00:07:54,079 --> 00:08:01,120 the years that you you protect yourself because you only comment on what is presented. 99 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:03,040 You do not speculate. Now, you can do it in your real 100 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:07,240 world all you want, but when you're giving advice to people, do not 101 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:13,040 elaborate on things that you do not know. Unless you can give friendly advice 102 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,439 to some kind of strangling thing out there that they need to make sure that 103 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,680 they do get right. I'm not going to tell them how to install it. 104 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,279 I'm not telling what fittings to use. I'm not going to tell them 105 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:26,519 where to spond to install the system bonding the supply side bonding jumper, for 106 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,920 example, inside the raceway, outside the raceway. I am not getting in. 107 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,960 That's their choice. I'm just going to tell them that they have to 108 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:39,639 do it. Okay, Now, so that two foot peet, you obviously 109 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:45,840 are going to have to have to maintain the integrity basically skipping over this FMC 110 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,519 so that it's almost like it's not there when it comes to you know, 111 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:52,039 a condition where it all the bonding is take place. So yes, you're 112 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:56,000 gonna have to put that supply side bonding jumper in. You can put it 113 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,279 inside outside whatever that That choice is really up to you to do that, 114 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:05,279 but yes, you would need to do it. And say, now when 115 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:09,799 it comes to eccentric or concentric KOs, since you're doing service, then you 116 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:16,080 have to worry about the requirements in two fifty ninety two. Okay, so 117 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:22,120 obviously if you have concentric eccentric KOSH, then you got to You can't use 118 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:26,080 a standard lock nut for the you can for mechanical, but you cannot for 119 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:31,759 the integrity because those are considered impairments, unless, of course, your enclosure 120 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:39,679 is listed where those actual KOs are rated for a voltage higher than say two 121 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,840 fifty vaults the ground. That type of scenario, it's typically not what I 122 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,399 would see on a typical service enclosure, especially one that's got the concentric or 123 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,399 eccentric knockouts. Okay, so just keep that in mind and all else fails. 124 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:56,480 If you're going to use all of the your leave the concentric or eccentric 125 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,399 rings, additional rings in there, then I would go on and put a 126 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,120 bombing jumper on that, and you'd be honest with you, I'm not giving 127 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:09,200 any advice, but as long as that supply side bombing jumpers has ran inside 128 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,519 and it's long enough and it's sized properly, then you could bring it into 129 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:16,679 the panel, loop it through a lay and lug that's on the actual bushing, 130 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:20,360 and then take it to the bus. But I'm not telling you how 131 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:28,840 to install it. Okay, I'm not gonna be be doing that well, 132 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:35,320 but that's just just my take on that. Okay. Let's see here and 133 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,919 it says and you're in the twenty seventeen NEC Okay, it says service cable 134 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,639 three out copper tn thwn, x HHW DAS two. It's not going to 135 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,360 be all three of those, so most of the time it's probably gonna be 136 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:52,519 either THHHN THWN DASH two or it's going to be XHHW DASH two. Probably 137 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,399 that just depends on which one you want to run. That's that's up to 138 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,600 you. Lastly, it says, my understanding is that I need to run 139 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:05,159 a AWG copper from the panel's main neutral bar to the first bushing lay in 140 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:09,480 inside or outside of the FMC over to the next bushing lane. I say, 141 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:16,799 if you want it to be totally continuous like that, perfectly fine to 142 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:18,840 do that. And you're in as far as sizing goes. If you're doing 143 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,879 this based on the fact that you've got the three out, which is what 144 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,919 you would use in two fifty one zero two. Uh. If you're doing 145 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,639 that, then you would look in see since you only have the one race 146 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,559 way, so you're gonna be in C one and so on the table it 147 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,679 looks like copper three out it would be absolutely would be a four gage. 148 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:46,000 That's two table two fifty one H two C one. Okay, So that's 149 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:50,960 the best advice I can give you on that one. But it sounds like 150 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,120 but that last statement, it sounds like you are on track for what I 151 00:11:54,159 --> 00:12:00,480 would do. Now for everybody says that that what you have to worry about 152 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,440 is parallels things like that. Well, you remember, we can use the 153 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:09,639 neutral to bond all metal parts on the supply side. If we want to 154 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:13,720 two fifty one forty two permits us to do that. Okay, so you 155 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:18,840 know, keep keep that in mind, okay as well when you're when you're 156 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,480 thinking about ooh, these these things that you can do on the supply side. 157 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:28,519 Okay, all right, let's see here, oh see, okay, 158 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,000 see if we have another question. Okay, So the next question we have 159 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:39,360 presented, says Paul. If if suppose you are looking to build a meter 160 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:46,879 bank set up for three tenants using two thirty forty exception number two allowance, 161 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:54,440 and you're looking to size the neutral, where do you differentiate the neutral size 162 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:58,960 between the overhead service conductors down to the trough and the neutrals? You sply 163 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,960 to each smaller set of conductors that go to each one hundred to one twenty 164 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,720 five amp meter. Is there any way you can explain what note three on 165 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:18,159 the table two fifty one zero two C one means when it says or equivalent 166 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:24,440 size of the largest ungrounded supply conductors shall be determined by the largest sum of 167 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:30,600 the area of the corresponding conductors of each set. What is the area referring 168 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,879 to? Is it are we measuring a conductor? Yes, the area would 169 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:39,000 be the circular mills. Okay, it says I would like I would think 170 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:45,240 that I size the initial overhead service conductors that supply all three meters per the 171 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:50,200 calculated load, okay, and the neutral conductor for this for each set would 172 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:56,000 be plucked from this table based on the largest ungrounded conductor okay, to that 173 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,320 piece of equipment, to that service equipment. Yes, but then we are 174 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,799 we still doing the same when we drop the size of the wire from the 175 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:09,840 splice in the trough to the feed the meters? For example, would you 176 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:15,200 just size your wire for the load over current device to be used? If 177 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,919 I were if I were to install one hundred ANP meters for all three and 178 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,559 one hundred anp main breakers for each am I sizing my neutral based on the 179 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,759 one hundred and amp on grounded conductor? Or is Note three telling me to 180 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,440 calculate differently? Okay? So what we've got to do is we're going to 181 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,639 go look at two fifty one zero two C one and I will explain it 182 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:43,799 to you. So let me go to two point fifty one zero two and 183 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:54,840 let's see here. Okay, all right, so you're installing the application. 184 00:14:56,159 --> 00:14:58,919 Oh first, let's go in and look at your application. So your application 185 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,759 is two thirty forty exception number two. So let's go look at that first. 186 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:07,320 That way we we have a good idea of what you're trying to construct 187 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:13,519 here, right, So we're going to go to two thirty dotty. Hopefully 188 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:18,840 you got your codebooks you can follow on, and we're looking at exception number 189 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,000 two. Okay, so exception number two read it now. By the way, 190 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:24,919 for those that don't know what two thirty dot forty is, this is 191 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,919 the number of service entrance conductor sets. So you have one service to a 192 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:33,720 building, but you are permitted, for example, to make a connection to 193 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:37,399 that one service drop. Let's say let's just use overhead drop or whatever that's 194 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:43,120 coming to a building. You're able to tap onto that and go to different 195 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:48,559 service disconnects all grouped in one location, right, or they don't have to 196 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,879 be grouped in one location. You could have this. An example of this 197 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,639 would be like an exception number one where it says, okay, you're tapping 198 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:58,480 to it, and then that those service entran conductors as long as they stay 199 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,480 outside of the building. Hell, they could wrap around the building and then 200 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:03,559 the moment they go to that individual dwelling unit, that's say, in a 201 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:07,720 multi family building, then you're limited to up to six, okay, But 202 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:11,960 these conductors stay outside of the building, so you're okay to make a connection 203 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,759 to the service drop, let's say. And then as long as their service 204 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:21,120 interesance conductors are outside, they can run around the building and then enter, 205 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,879 and then you have to meet all the rules of nearest point of entry and 206 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:27,279 all that kind of stuff. But that's that's an okay application. That's exception 207 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:33,879 number one. Exception number two to this says, we're two to six service 208 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:37,840 disinictum means in separate enclosures, and that's what he wants to do. Are 209 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:41,039 grouped in one location and they are remember he said it was coming to a 210 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,360 trough and then underneath it you had three one hund panels. Okay, it 211 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,360 says, and supply separate loads from one service drop. So it is one 212 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:55,559 drop coming down into or one overhead service conductors coming down into the trough and 213 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,480 then splicing onto it and then coming down to three different undernap service disconnects. 214 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:04,000 That's what he said he's doing, and that's what so far Exception number two 215 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:10,160 is allowing it says, so where two to six service discim can means and 216 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,359 separate enclosures are grouped in one location and supply separate loads from one service drop 217 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,799 one set of overhead service conductors, which is what he's doing, set up 218 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:26,000 underground service conductors or service laterals. One set of service in conductors shall be 219 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:33,079 permitted to supply each of several such service equipment and closures. So what that's 220 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:37,519 allowing me to do is to have one drop splice onto that come down, 221 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:44,079 whether it's underground, whether or not it's overhead or whatever. It's allowing me 222 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,480 to do that and have those three right there grouped in that one location under 223 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:55,160 that meter. So that's the exception number two that he's doing. Now that 224 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,880 exception, by the way, is to the rule that says you can only 225 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:02,279 have one set of service ins conductors. Obviously this is allowing me to have 226 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:08,559 what multiple sets, So typically they originate in one location and then it separates 227 00:18:08,599 --> 00:18:12,400 out and hits up to six grouped in one location. So that's exception number 228 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:18,440 two. So we've established that. So now he's asking about the sizing the 229 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,799 ground to conductor. Now, first thing is to remember the grounded conductor that's 230 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:26,079 coming from the service point of attachment down. Okay, So in the moment 231 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,319 that it becomes part of the NEC, that point of attachment okay, not 232 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:36,200 the drop service drop that's outside of our scope. That's the utility code. 233 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:41,000 But once if it's an overhead service conductors, then it means that it transitioned 234 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:45,039 and so now it's under the NEEC. Or if it's from the point of 235 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:49,200 attachment down to that trough, that is now under the NEEC. So it 236 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:55,200 has to be sized accordance to the NEC. Now think about this. Your 237 00:18:55,279 --> 00:19:00,799 rules in two twenty dot sixty one are going to tell us what that we 238 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:07,039 have to size based on what the calculated load and it's and when it comes 239 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:11,759 to the neutral which is what that deals with, is we're talking about what 240 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,359 to twenty dot sixty one tells me that I'm going to size the servicer feeder 241 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:23,839 neutral for the maximum unbalanced load determined by the Article two twenty calculation. So 242 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,880 we have to know what our neutral loads are. We we have to know 243 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,839 that first right now. One of the other things that we have to be 244 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,799 aware of is under two fifty we have some minimum rules that we have to 245 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:40,599 follow as well, which pretty much are not going to come into play, 246 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,640 but we will look at them just so you kind of get an understanding. 247 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:47,759 So we're gonna go look at two fifty dot twenty fours. We'll start there, 248 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,880 okay, and if you look into that and let me move down here. 249 00:19:52,079 --> 00:19:59,559 Actually, let's move Actually, we're gonna look at D which is two 250 00:19:59,599 --> 00:20:03,720 fifty twenty four D first, and that says the grounded conductor that's bought to 251 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:07,480 the service. Okay, so we have to have a grounded conductor brought to 252 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:12,839 the service, right, and then what you'll see is it says the grounded 253 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,720 conductor shall be installed in accordance with two fifty twenty four D one through D 254 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,519 four. Well, D one is talking about the sizing, right, Okay, 255 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:26,440 so the ground is so the D one says the ground and conductor shall 256 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,720 not be smaller than specified in table two fifty one zero two C one. 257 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:34,400 So even if we've got to do a load calculation, we already know that 258 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:41,480 the grounded conductor cannot be smaller than what's in this table based on what the 259 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:47,480 size of the ungrounded conductors. Okay, So in this scenario, if the 260 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,519 from the point of attachment down to the troth. It has to be one 261 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:55,319 calculated on what's the unbalanced load it's going to see, Well, it's going 262 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,519 to see the load from these three hundred and panels. So it assumes to 263 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,519 us that we have to do a load calculation for each one of these panels. 264 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:06,119 We have to know what it's going to be serving. Now I've just 265 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,119 throw this out there. If there are a hundred ant panels, then plausible 266 00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:12,920 they could serve one hundred amps, not continuously, but one hundred ams. 267 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:18,759 Okay, So most people make their design simple. If it's three to one 268 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:22,839 hundred an panels, then they will size the conductors that are supply conductors based 269 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,200 on the possibility to the plausibility of three hundred amps. Now, at the 270 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,519 end of the day, it's really size based on your calculated load. Okay, 271 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,680 you have to know your loads. So sometimes the loads would be much 272 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:37,640 less than what the panel can carry. But when we're talking about the neutral 273 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:44,200 conductor, once we establish the size of those conductors from the point of attachment 274 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:49,119 to that troth which is going to be handling all of the neutral loads across 275 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:55,640 those three panels, once we find out what the actual calculation is for the 276 00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:59,839 service for all of these panels, okay, and that's how you're going to 277 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,960 be sizing from the point of attachment down to the to the trough. Once 278 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,759 we do that, then we take those conductors and we've come over here and 279 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:11,279 we're looking at two fifty one zero two C one And then of course, 280 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,720 depending on whether it's you know, one OT, it would be a you 281 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:18,480 know, a minimum grounded conductor would be a six if it's one OT copper. 282 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,640 If it's four out aluminum, it's a minimum of four. But here's 283 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:27,240 the thing that's at least it has to be at least that size. Chances 284 00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:32,960 are very highly probable that it's going to be much larger than that. In 285 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:37,559 fact, if you're using se cable, for example, the grounded conductor is 286 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:44,079 not required to be is can be up to two sizes smaller than the ungrounded 287 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,559 or hot conductors. So typically in an sc cable you have four hot aluminum, 288 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,400 and then what happens is the neutral will be equivalent to two ought because 289 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,920 there's a three ought in between it, and the neutral cannot be more than 290 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,920 two sizes smaller than the ungrounded conductors. And that's already done for us. 291 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,400 If you're you know the manufacturer takes care of that. When it comes to 292 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:11,559 sc cable, it's already been done for you. Okay, again, don't 293 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:15,400 confuse SEU and SCR. We're talking like an SCU. That that that stranded 294 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:21,440 helical. It's equivalent to a two lot when you gather everything together, that 295 00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:26,240 type of thing, and that's something that's governed by the the UL standard UL 296 00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:29,000 eight fifty four. It's already taken care of for you. And if you're 297 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,400 running the individual conductors, then you know that it can't be smaller from the 298 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,960 point of attachment down to that trough. It could not be smaller than whatever 299 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:44,359 the size of the conductors are that are handling. The total ungrounded conductor's load 300 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:48,440 means you calculated those conductors have to be based on the loads that are going 301 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,920 to be seen from all three panels. So you're going to have to take 302 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:56,799 a calculation from all three of these panels summation, and then you're going to 303 00:23:56,839 --> 00:23:59,960 size your ungrounded conductor. Once you size that on grounded conductor, then you 304 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:02,839 come to two fifty one zero two see one, and it can't be smaller 305 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,680 than the table. However, you still got to know what your neutral loads 306 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:14,799 are because obviously to twenty dot sixty one said that the grounded conductor can has 307 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,079 to handle the maximum unbalanced load. So that means you have to calculate what 308 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,799 your neutral loads are, and we do that in our fast Tracks program, 309 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,160 uh and on our on our Wednesday Night sessions, I go over how to 310 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,359 calculate loads and the neutral and so you still got to do a calculation now 311 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:34,599 the point where you make the connection, and remember these aren't feeder taps, 312 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,359 these are just taps to service conductors. The point that you make that connection 313 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:45,519 and you're now supplying each individual unit, then you're actually sizing the grounded conductor 314 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:51,880 again based on two fifty one zero two c one, based on those ungrounded 315 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,599 conductors that's supplying the equipment. So it can't be any smaller than what it 316 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,079 would be in two fifty one zero two c one. Once you know what 317 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,000 those conductors are, and those conductors were sized is hot conductors. They were 318 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,200 sized to handle whatever the load is for that panel, that individual panel. 319 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:12,200 Okay, all right, make it clear. So yes, you would size 320 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:21,000 as the grounded conductor that's going from the tap down to the actual panel based 321 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:26,759 on the calculated load and the neutral would be sized based on the maximum unbalanced 322 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:29,880 load, but knowing that it can't be smaller than at least what's in two 323 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,920 fifty one zero two C one. So that's a minimum size requirement. It's 324 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,200 probably going to be larger because you have to do a load calculation in order 325 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,960 to achieve this. Now, lastly, you wanted me to explain what note 326 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,359 free was about. All right, And for those that are not familiar, 327 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,440 if you look underneath table two fifty one zero two, see one, you'll 328 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,960 see there's various notes. Now, these are not informational notes. These are 329 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:02,920 very applicable notes. They are to be always observed. We're applicable, and 330 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:07,279 they're not like an informational note, which is just good information. These are 331 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:10,160 mandatory. So number three, let me read you what it says. It 332 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:15,400 says, if there's no service entrance conductors, the supply conductor sizes shall be 333 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:21,799 determined by the equivalent size of the largest service inter conductor required for the load 334 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,359 to be served. So you still have to do a load calc Okay, 335 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,920 So these conductors could be coming in and they're not service entrance conductors. They 336 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,720 may be service laterals that are coming in under the building and then popping up 337 00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:38,839 inside of a switch gear room. So by the concept here, since its 338 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:47,079 table is based on what the basic table is based on, the conductors being 339 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,279 what largest ungrounded conductors are equivalent in parallel. So basically what you're trying to 340 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:56,039 do here is say, well, you know what, they're not service entrance 341 00:26:56,039 --> 00:27:00,880 conductors, okay, but they are supply conductors and when they come in to 342 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,079 the building in order to be able to determine the sizing that we can use 343 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,720 this table, then we basically just treat them as if they're service intriconductors, 344 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:15,480 determine what our load calculation is. And by the way, they could be 345 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:18,960 service laterals coming in. That's outside of the scope of the NEC when it 346 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,839 comes to sizing. So what this means is you have to forget what the 347 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,160 utility may do. You get to forget about it. What size would you 348 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:33,720 size them if you were doing this on any C installation, And then once 349 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:37,519 you establish the size you would need for the loads in question, then you 350 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:41,680 would go and pick the conductor and that's the conductor you're going to use to 351 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:47,759 go up here and use the table. So this little note is there to 352 00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:52,440 help people when the utility may bring the service lateral in and they might have 353 00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:55,920 something that's like a frickin' one OT and you're like, damn, the NEC 354 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,480 says it has to be a four OT. How do they get away with 355 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:00,960 that? Well, they can't because that's the utility and they based it on 356 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:04,920 other historical data and uses and all that kind of stuff. So you're thinking, 357 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,079 well, I can't use that with this table. So what the Note 358 00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:14,400 three is telling you to do is, hey, pretend like they're service conductors 359 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:18,319 there, and you would size them. Ignore what's there. You determine what 360 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,960 size conductors you would need to handle the load calculation. Just like I just 361 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:27,640 explained a minute ago. You have to figure out what size they would need 362 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:33,079 to be, and then forget about what the utility brought you underground. Pretend 363 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,960 that they're service entrance conductors that you sized and pick the conductor, and then 364 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,480 you go to two fifty one zero two C one. That's what the Note 365 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,599 three is trying to depict, because again, you could have applications where they're 366 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:53,759 not service entrance conductors coming in. Okay, so anyway hopefully that you know 367 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:59,960 makes sense to you. So basically, if they're not service entrance conductor, 368 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,920 the service later ules. Forget what size utility did Okay, forget about it. 369 00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:11,839 Try to determine what size service conductors you would have to have based on 370 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:18,440 your load calculation, and then use that size to use the table. Ignore 371 00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,599 what the utility brought to you. Okay, that's what Note three is trying 372 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,240 to do. Okay, hopefully that makes sense to you. If I didn't, 373 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,599 what do I always say? Just let me know what episode it is, 374 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,400 and all you got to do is go to Paul Abernethy dot com and 375 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,680 just kind of give me a summary of what the question was, what you 376 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,279 want clarity on, let me know what code socle you're working on, and 377 00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:45,359 then post your question. I'm not going to go back and listen to the 378 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:51,119 entire podcast, So give me a good summary of what you're really asking or 379 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,240 what you might have heard, and I will make it clear and then we 380 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,960 can move on from that. Okay, But in your question, none of 381 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,680 the example in two thirty forty exception number two, or none of the first 382 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,319 part of your question that you ask has anything to do with Note three, 383 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,839 by the way, Okay, all right, hopefully that answers your question. 384 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:15,440 So see if that'll be it for today, or it'll see if I got 385 00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:19,000 the other one that Darlene has me scheduled to take care of. All right, 386 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,440 I got a quick one. Here's the last question that Darlene has pointed 387 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,440 out for me today. It says, Hello, I am the Michigan Electrician 388 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:32,440 looking to take my Journeyman test again. I was wondering what study material you 389 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:38,279 could recommend Michigan still testing on the twenty seventeen NEC. Unfortunately I cannot afford 390 00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:42,759 your material, but I do have a codebook and a few books on electrical 391 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:48,799 theory and material as well as grounding and bonding. Any help would be greatly 392 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:52,200 appreciated. Thanks. Okay, I cannot help your financial situation. Sometimes you 393 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,279 have to invest in yourself, and you know what, that's why we came 394 00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:00,400 out with some more cost effective type programs. But you are on the twenty 395 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,079 seventeen and we do not have a basic or enhanced version for that. All 396 00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:07,319 we have is the Black or the Plus, which is more expensive. So 397 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,640 what I'm going to recommend you do is to go and get a subscription to 398 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:19,119 fasttrackstube dot com and start watching our videos, start watching our recordings of our 399 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,720 exam prep night. Also as a member of Fasttracks Tube, it's ninety nine 400 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,000 bucks. If you can't afford ninety nine bucks, I can't help you. 401 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,480 As a member of Fasttracks Tube, you also get to join us every two 402 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:34,440 weeks on Wednesday Nights, where you can ask your questions, where you can 403 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:38,880 interact with us, where you can enjoy lessons that I give from time to 404 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,920 time. Last week I think I did transformers, Primary and Secondary Protection, 405 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:48,880 Secondary conductors, ten foot twenty five foot rule, talked about all that even 406 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,240 little tidbits that you can pull out from there really do benefit you. So 407 00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:56,559 again I tell everybody out there, if you can't afford our courses and you're 408 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:01,400 studying, even if you're studying somebody else. Sometimes it's visual helps a lot 409 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,720 of people. So getting a subscription to our video platform and also gives you 410 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,400 access to the Wednesday Nights every two weeks. We do Wednesday Nights unless they're 411 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,200 canceled for some reason, and it allows you to sit in fly on the 412 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,000 wall. You can ask questions. We're in a friendly environment, no questions, 413 00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:23,799 dumb question you can ask. It's a great gathering of friends, everybody 414 00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:30,480 talking code and I answer those questions, and it's included in the ninety nine 415 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,680 dollars annual subscription. It's included, folks, I don't know anywhere else. 416 00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,720 For ninety nine bucks. You can get access to me every two weeks on 417 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,279 Wednesday, ask your questions, and a closed environment so you don't have to 418 00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:44,640 worry about people belittling you or whatever, and it's not going to happen. 419 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,680 It's a learning environment, okay. And when you do that, you get 420 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,519 access to our video platform, and we have a lot of videos on there, 421 00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:59,319 and the Just Calculation series is coming out in two weeks. That is 422 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,400 the only platform you're gonna be able to see our video on that. Plus 423 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,039 I've got an eight hour video on calculations over there. I got a twelve 424 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:10,000 hour video on grinding and bonding, a four part series. I've got a 425 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:15,400 seven, seven or eight part series on pools, spas and hot tubs over 426 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,440 there that you should watch. I have a video over there on a webinar 427 00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:24,640 that we did for secondary conductors and ten foot twenty five foot rule and primary 428 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:30,920 secondary protection. Jeez, it's worth it alone for just one of the videos 429 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,680 over there. So if my advice to you is to get that subscription. 430 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,559 Fork up the ninety nine bucks. It'll be the best ninety nine bucks you 431 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,680 ever invested. You get access to the platform, you get access to Wednesday 432 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,640 nights. And that's the best advice I can give you. Okay, and 433 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,960 oh oh so, the only other advice I can give you is find yourself 434 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:58,160 a good category of practice questions. And they don't all have to be sterling, 435 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:07,640 but find you some and basically find them and go over them and really 436 00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,400 hone in on it and get used to dissecting a question. Don't be in 437 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,199 such a hurry to answer a question. I've tell this to everybody out there. 438 00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:20,119 Don't get you one hundred question database or whatever at two hundred question database 439 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,039 and try to answer them all so quickly. That is not the goal of 440 00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:28,679 studying for an exam. The goal is to take your time on each question. 441 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,960 Pull out your clock if you want to time yourself, wait until the 442 00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:35,760 last two weeks before you take an exam. But up until that time, 443 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,000 if it takes you ten minutes to answer a question, that is okay, 444 00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:45,039 folks, Okay, I tell people this all the time. Do not listen 445 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:49,519 to educators that give you this bullshit about getting timed quizz and trying to do 446 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:52,679 them as quickly. That does not help you. All that does is elevate 447 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:58,280 the stress. Take a question, beat the question to death. Use your 448 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,000 index, use your table of contents, look up every word, find out 449 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,280 what could have gotten you the answer. It's going to be your way of 450 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,039 what I call the poor man's way of studying for an exam. Don't be 451 00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:15,199 so quick to just answer questions in a database. You paid good money for 452 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,280 it. Use it, milk it. Extract everything you can get from the 453 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,679 question so that it not only helps you answer the question, but let you 454 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,800 learn what's in the index, let you learn what's in the table of contents. 455 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,519 It helps you in your maneuvering skills back and forth, because I can 456 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,440 tell you right now, if you're not familiar with using the index and going 457 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,599 back and forth, you can be very slow. But the more you practice 458 00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,239 this, this is why our programs are fast tracks programs. We use these 459 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,400 chevrons. It's to pull you from the course into the NEC, back to 460 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,360 the course, back to the NEC. If you think that I'm just doing 461 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,159 that, it's being done for a reason. It's to help you move back 462 00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:59,039 and forth. And whether you know it or not. We're subconsciously trying to 463 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,800 get you more comfortable with moving in and out of the codebook. That's the 464 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,320 whole purpose of why we do it. Okay, all right, so good 465 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,519 luck. Hopefully you'll you say again. So that means by the time you 466 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:13,960 probably always tell this to people, by the time you fail some exams and 467 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,480 pay the fees, you probably could have gotten a course and then pass it 468 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:21,400 the first time and you would have actually learned something in the process, and 469 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,079 that goes a long way. There's a difference between just passing a test and 470 00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:29,360 actually learning something, and that's where structured programs come into play. All right, 471 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,719 folks, that's it for this Let's ask Paul for this week. So 472 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,719 if again, if you have any questions that you want to submit to me, 473 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,639 all you got to do is go to Paul Abernathy dot com. Yes 474 00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:44,320 it's still there, it's still active, it's still sponsored by Wicks, and 475 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,440 you get to ask me any question you want on the National Leuntric Code. 476 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,159 Just be sure to let me know the code cycle that you're working out of. 477 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,559 Be very descriptive in your question, because I'm only going to answer what 478 00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:57,599 you give me as a question. Until next time folks stay, say God 479 00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:24,719 bless both askball boot both, ask both Aska Nohing.