What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Let's Ask Paul, the
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all right, enough of that, all right. So also I want
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we also have new what's called conductor length cards. Now, these cards are
designed to tell you how much wires still left on a reel in a barrel,
or maybe on a coil of MCA or something like that, or maybe
our pull pros that we have at Encore, all those type of things.
But anyway, this conductor link will get you really, really really close.
And it's all based on ambient temperature, so you'll need to know what the
temperature is approximately in the area that you're at, although I will tell you
on the back. We give a wide range from seventy five to ninety because
that's typically the area that you might be in a conditioned space. It's not
going to help you try to measure it if you're out in a one hundred
degrees outside, although you can probably assimilate what the changes would be, but
we give you most of that on the back of the card. These are
thick cards, forty five mili a millimeters thick, and they're engraved and it
gives you step by step and then if you don't want to use our values
on the back, we actually show you how to take the values from the
Chapter nine Table eight, which is based on one hundred and sixty seven degrees
fahrenheit seventy five degrees celsius, and we convert them for you so that you
don't have to but there is a formulae here for you to do it.
And the reason that we're using everything in fahrenheit is because in order to measure
resistance, you have to have the ambient temperature and the wire has to be
acclimated to the ambient temperature that you're testing in order for you to get an
accurate resistance over the length of the conductor. And that's the only way the
equation can be really accurate. I'll give you an example. We did a
test with what the NEC said at one hundred and sixty seven degrees fahrenheit at
for one thousand feet of twelve gauge, which is one point nine to three
ohms per thousand feet, and we had a thousand foot roll. Well,
if you use that table, it said there was only eight hundred sum feet
on the role. If you use the ambient temperature, it was right dead
on at a thousand feet. We knew that role was exactly a thousand feet,
So you know, we've tested it out. But again, many people
teach you how to determine the remainder by using resistance, but they don't take
into effect the ambient temperature. That is going to be a key player when
you're trying to measure lengths. So we do that for you on this card.
It's available on our website. Go check it out. It's under the
engraved Products over on fasttracksystem dot com. All right, so let's get into
today's question. Today's question was submitted through the portal. It says, Dear
Paul, I watch your videos and listen to your podcast all the time.
Thank you for everything you do for the trade, We're most welcome, says
I'm about to start a new project to install at two hundred and AM three
phase meter and panel three OT copper conductors. This installation will be in the
basement of a building. Okay. So it's a two part question. Okay,
So this is the first part. Situation is I will be running RMC
conduit for the service raceway, but just before I get to the meter,
I will be transitioning to RMC to five feet FMC to the top of the
meter. Do you need a supply side bonding jumper over the FMC section?
Okay, So first of all, let's talk about the FMC. The question
that everybody will have is can you use FMC to enclose service entrance conductors?
Any answer to that is yes. If you go to two thirty forty three,
item number fifteen, it says it flexible metal conduit or FMC not over
six feet long okay, okay, not over six feet long between a raceway
or between a raceway and service equipment, and with a supply side bonding jumper
routed with the flexible metal conduit according to two fifty one zero two ABC and
E. So the answer to the first part of the question is can I
do that? Well, you said your FMC was only five feet, Absolutely,
and do you have to put in the bonding jumper. Absolutely, And
you'll get all of that right from two thirty forty three Item fifteen. So
that answer pretty much answers that question. The second part of the question says,
I will be using two feet of flexible metal conduit FMC from the meter
to the panel. Because of flexibility, do I need to run a supply
side bonding jumper from the panel from the panel to the meter and install two
bonding bushings with lay in lugs at both ends in size based on Table two
fifty one oh two C one, the equipment has eccentric and concentric KOs Okay,
so brings in two parts to this one. Obviously, any anywhere that's
going to have service entrance conductors and you're going to be using FMC, you're
going to have to have a supply side bonding jumper. Shear fact that it
has service conductors in it tells you that it's on the supply side of the
service disconnect. Now again, other people would would would would kind of go
in and say, well, what about emergency disconnects. But he never said
anything about this being a dwelling is at the basement of a building, So
I'm not going to speculate on any other application. I'm not going to speculate
of grouping. I'm not going to speculate whether there's more than one service to
a building. There's many of you out there who will speculate I am.
I am not as a as an expert in consulting. I have learned through
the years that you you protect yourself because you only comment on what is presented.
You do not speculate. Now, you can do it in your real
world all you want, but when you're giving advice to people, do not
elaborate on things that you do not know. Unless you can give friendly advice
to some kind of strangling thing out there that they need to make sure that
they do get right. I'm not going to tell them how to install it.
I'm not telling what fittings to use. I'm not going to tell them
where to spond to install the system bonding the supply side bonding jumper, for
example, inside the raceway, outside the raceway. I am not getting in.
That's their choice. I'm just going to tell them that they have to
do it. Okay, Now, so that two foot peet, you obviously
are going to have to have to maintain the integrity basically skipping over this FMC
so that it's almost like it's not there when it comes to you know,
a condition where it all the bonding is take place. So yes, you're
gonna have to put that supply side bonding jumper in. You can put it
inside outside whatever that That choice is really up to you to do that,
but yes, you would need to do it. And say, now when
it comes to eccentric or concentric KOs, since you're doing service, then you
have to worry about the requirements in two fifty ninety two. Okay, so
obviously if you have concentric eccentric KOSH, then you got to You can't use
a standard lock nut for the you can for mechanical, but you cannot for
the integrity because those are considered impairments, unless, of course, your enclosure
is listed where those actual KOs are rated for a voltage higher than say two
fifty vaults the ground. That type of scenario, it's typically not what I
would see on a typical service enclosure, especially one that's got the concentric or
eccentric knockouts. Okay, so just keep that in mind and all else fails.
If you're going to use all of the your leave the concentric or eccentric
rings, additional rings in there, then I would go on and put a
bombing jumper on that, and you'd be honest with you, I'm not giving
any advice, but as long as that supply side bombing jumpers has ran inside
and it's long enough and it's sized properly, then you could bring it into
the panel, loop it through a lay and lug that's on the actual bushing,
and then take it to the bus. But I'm not telling you how
to install it. Okay, I'm not gonna be be doing that well,
but that's just just my take on that. Okay. Let's see here and
it says and you're in the twenty seventeen NEC Okay, it says service cable
three out copper tn thwn, x HHW DAS two. It's not going to
be all three of those, so most of the time it's probably gonna be
either THHHN THWN DASH two or it's going to be XHHW DASH two. Probably
that just depends on which one you want to run. That's that's up to
you. Lastly, it says, my understanding is that I need to run
a AWG copper from the panel's main neutral bar to the first bushing lay in
inside or outside of the FMC over to the next bushing lane. I say,
if you want it to be totally continuous like that, perfectly fine to
do that. And you're in as far as sizing goes. If you're doing
this based on the fact that you've got the three out, which is what
you would use in two fifty one zero two. Uh. If you're doing
that, then you would look in see since you only have the one race
way, so you're gonna be in C one and so on the table it
looks like copper three out it would be absolutely would be a four gage.
That's two table two fifty one H two C one. Okay, So that's
the best advice I can give you on that one. But it sounds like
but that last statement, it sounds like you are on track for what I
would do. Now for everybody says that that what you have to worry about
is parallels things like that. Well, you remember, we can use the
neutral to bond all metal parts on the supply side. If we want to
two fifty one forty two permits us to do that. Okay, so you
know, keep keep that in mind, okay as well when you're when you're
thinking about ooh, these these things that you can do on the supply side.
Okay, all right, let's see here, oh see, okay,
see if we have another question. Okay, So the next question we have
presented, says Paul. If if suppose you are looking to build a meter
bank set up for three tenants using two thirty forty exception number two allowance,
and you're looking to size the neutral, where do you differentiate the neutral size
between the overhead service conductors down to the trough and the neutrals? You sply
to each smaller set of conductors that go to each one hundred to one twenty
five amp meter. Is there any way you can explain what note three on
the table two fifty one zero two C one means when it says or equivalent
size of the largest ungrounded supply conductors shall be determined by the largest sum of
the area of the corresponding conductors of each set. What is the area referring
to? Is it are we measuring a conductor? Yes, the area would
be the circular mills. Okay, it says I would like I would think
that I size the initial overhead service conductors that supply all three meters per the
calculated load, okay, and the neutral conductor for this for each set would
be plucked from this table based on the largest ungrounded conductor okay, to that
piece of equipment, to that service equipment. Yes, but then we are
we still doing the same when we drop the size of the wire from the
splice in the trough to the feed the meters? For example, would you
just size your wire for the load over current device to be used? If
I were if I were to install one hundred ANP meters for all three and
one hundred anp main breakers for each am I sizing my neutral based on the
one hundred and amp on grounded conductor? Or is Note three telling me to
calculate differently? Okay? So what we've got to do is we're going to
go look at two fifty one zero two C one and I will explain it
to you. So let me go to two point fifty one zero two and
let's see here. Okay, all right, so you're installing the application.
Oh first, let's go in and look at your application. So your application
is two thirty forty exception number two. So let's go look at that first.
That way we we have a good idea of what you're trying to construct
here, right, So we're going to go to two thirty dotty. Hopefully
you got your codebooks you can follow on, and we're looking at exception number
two. Okay, so exception number two read it now. By the way,
for those that don't know what two thirty dot forty is, this is
the number of service entrance conductor sets. So you have one service to a
building, but you are permitted, for example, to make a connection to
that one service drop. Let's say let's just use overhead drop or whatever that's
coming to a building. You're able to tap onto that and go to different
service disconnects all grouped in one location, right, or they don't have to
be grouped in one location. You could have this. An example of this
would be like an exception number one where it says, okay, you're tapping
to it, and then that those service entran conductors as long as they stay
outside of the building. Hell, they could wrap around the building and then
the moment they go to that individual dwelling unit, that's say, in a
multi family building, then you're limited to up to six, okay, But
these conductors stay outside of the building, so you're okay to make a connection
to the service drop, let's say. And then as long as their service
interesance conductors are outside, they can run around the building and then enter,
and then you have to meet all the rules of nearest point of entry and
all that kind of stuff. But that's that's an okay application. That's exception
number one. Exception number two to this says, we're two to six service
disinictum means in separate enclosures, and that's what he wants to do. Are
grouped in one location and they are remember he said it was coming to a
trough and then underneath it you had three one hund panels. Okay, it
says, and supply separate loads from one service drop. So it is one
drop coming down into or one overhead service conductors coming down into the trough and
then splicing onto it and then coming down to three different undernap service disconnects.
That's what he said he's doing, and that's what so far Exception number two
is allowing it says, so where two to six service discim can means and
separate enclosures are grouped in one location and supply separate loads from one service drop
one set of overhead service conductors, which is what he's doing, set up
underground service conductors or service laterals. One set of service in conductors shall be
permitted to supply each of several such service equipment and closures. So what that's
allowing me to do is to have one drop splice onto that come down,
whether it's underground, whether or not it's overhead or whatever. It's allowing me
to do that and have those three right there grouped in that one location under
that meter. So that's the exception number two that he's doing. Now that
exception, by the way, is to the rule that says you can only
have one set of service ins conductors. Obviously this is allowing me to have
what multiple sets, So typically they originate in one location and then it separates
out and hits up to six grouped in one location. So that's exception number
two. So we've established that. So now he's asking about the sizing the
ground to conductor. Now, first thing is to remember the grounded conductor that's
coming from the service point of attachment down. Okay, So in the moment
that it becomes part of the NEC, that point of attachment okay, not
the drop service drop that's outside of our scope. That's the utility code.
But once if it's an overhead service conductors, then it means that it transitioned
and so now it's under the NEEC. Or if it's from the point of
attachment down to that trough, that is now under the NEEC. So it
has to be sized accordance to the NEC. Now think about this. Your
rules in two twenty dot sixty one are going to tell us what that we
have to size based on what the calculated load and it's and when it comes
to the neutral which is what that deals with, is we're talking about what
to twenty dot sixty one tells me that I'm going to size the servicer feeder
neutral for the maximum unbalanced load determined by the Article two twenty calculation. So
we have to know what our neutral loads are. We we have to know
that first right now. One of the other things that we have to be
aware of is under two fifty we have some minimum rules that we have to
follow as well, which pretty much are not going to come into play,
but we will look at them just so you kind of get an understanding.
So we're gonna go look at two fifty dot twenty fours. We'll start there,
okay, and if you look into that and let me move down here.
Actually, let's move Actually, we're gonna look at D which is two
fifty twenty four D first, and that says the grounded conductor that's bought to
the service. Okay, so we have to have a grounded conductor brought to
the service, right, and then what you'll see is it says the grounded
conductor shall be installed in accordance with two fifty twenty four D one through D
four. Well, D one is talking about the sizing, right, Okay,
so the ground is so the D one says the ground and conductor shall
not be smaller than specified in table two fifty one zero two C one.
So even if we've got to do a load calculation, we already know that
the grounded conductor cannot be smaller than what's in this table based on what the
size of the ungrounded conductors. Okay, So in this scenario, if the
from the point of attachment down to the troth. It has to be one
calculated on what's the unbalanced load it's going to see, Well, it's going
to see the load from these three hundred and panels. So it assumes to
us that we have to do a load calculation for each one of these panels.
We have to know what it's going to be serving. Now I've just
throw this out there. If there are a hundred ant panels, then plausible
they could serve one hundred amps, not continuously, but one hundred ams.
Okay, So most people make their design simple. If it's three to one
hundred an panels, then they will size the conductors that are supply conductors based
on the possibility to the plausibility of three hundred amps. Now, at the
end of the day, it's really size based on your calculated load. Okay,
you have to know your loads. So sometimes the loads would be much
less than what the panel can carry. But when we're talking about the neutral
conductor, once we establish the size of those conductors from the point of attachment
to that troth which is going to be handling all of the neutral loads across
those three panels, once we find out what the actual calculation is for the
service for all of these panels, okay, and that's how you're going to
be sizing from the point of attachment down to the to the trough. Once
we do that, then we take those conductors and we've come over here and
we're looking at two fifty one zero two C one And then of course,
depending on whether it's you know, one OT, it would be a you
know, a minimum grounded conductor would be a six if it's one OT copper.
If it's four out aluminum, it's a minimum of four. But here's
the thing that's at least it has to be at least that size. Chances
are very highly probable that it's going to be much larger than that. In
fact, if you're using se cable, for example, the grounded conductor is
not required to be is can be up to two sizes smaller than the ungrounded
or hot conductors. So typically in an sc cable you have four hot aluminum,
and then what happens is the neutral will be equivalent to two ought because
there's a three ought in between it, and the neutral cannot be more than
two sizes smaller than the ungrounded conductors. And that's already done for us.
If you're you know the manufacturer takes care of that. When it comes to
sc cable, it's already been done for you. Okay, again, don't
confuse SEU and SCR. We're talking like an SCU. That that that stranded
helical. It's equivalent to a two lot when you gather everything together, that
type of thing, and that's something that's governed by the the UL standard UL
eight fifty four. It's already taken care of for you. And if you're
running the individual conductors, then you know that it can't be smaller from the
point of attachment down to that trough. It could not be smaller than whatever
the size of the conductors are that are handling. The total ungrounded conductor's load
means you calculated those conductors have to be based on the loads that are going
to be seen from all three panels. So you're going to have to take
a calculation from all three of these panels summation, and then you're going to
size your ungrounded conductor. Once you size that on grounded conductor, then you
come to two fifty one zero two see one, and it can't be smaller
than the table. However, you still got to know what your neutral loads
are because obviously to twenty dot sixty one said that the grounded conductor can has
to handle the maximum unbalanced load. So that means you have to calculate what
your neutral loads are, and we do that in our fast Tracks program,
uh and on our on our Wednesday Night sessions, I go over how to
calculate loads and the neutral and so you still got to do a calculation now
the point where you make the connection, and remember these aren't feeder taps,
these are just taps to service conductors. The point that you make that connection
and you're now supplying each individual unit, then you're actually sizing the grounded conductor
again based on two fifty one zero two c one, based on those ungrounded
conductors that's supplying the equipment. So it can't be any smaller than what it
would be in two fifty one zero two c one. Once you know what
those conductors are, and those conductors were sized is hot conductors. They were
sized to handle whatever the load is for that panel, that individual panel.
Okay, all right, make it clear. So yes, you would size
as the grounded conductor that's going from the tap down to the actual panel based
on the calculated load and the neutral would be sized based on the maximum unbalanced
load, but knowing that it can't be smaller than at least what's in two
fifty one zero two C one. So that's a minimum size requirement. It's
probably going to be larger because you have to do a load calculation in order
to achieve this. Now, lastly, you wanted me to explain what note
free was about. All right, And for those that are not familiar,
if you look underneath table two fifty one zero two, see one, you'll
see there's various notes. Now, these are not informational notes. These are
very applicable notes. They are to be always observed. We're applicable, and
they're not like an informational note, which is just good information. These are
mandatory. So number three, let me read you what it says. It
says, if there's no service entrance conductors, the supply conductor sizes shall be
determined by the equivalent size of the largest service inter conductor required for the load
to be served. So you still have to do a load calc Okay,
So these conductors could be coming in and they're not service entrance conductors. They
may be service laterals that are coming in under the building and then popping up
inside of a switch gear room. So by the concept here, since its
table is based on what the basic table is based on, the conductors being
what largest ungrounded conductors are equivalent in parallel. So basically what you're trying to
do here is say, well, you know what, they're not service entrance
conductors, okay, but they are supply conductors and when they come in to
the building in order to be able to determine the sizing that we can use
this table, then we basically just treat them as if they're service intriconductors,
determine what our load calculation is. And by the way, they could be
service laterals coming in. That's outside of the scope of the NEC when it
comes to sizing. So what this means is you have to forget what the
utility may do. You get to forget about it. What size would you
size them if you were doing this on any C installation, And then once
you establish the size you would need for the loads in question, then you
would go and pick the conductor and that's the conductor you're going to use to
go up here and use the table. So this little note is there to
help people when the utility may bring the service lateral in and they might have
something that's like a frickin' one OT and you're like, damn, the NEC
says it has to be a four OT. How do they get away with
that? Well, they can't because that's the utility and they based it on
other historical data and uses and all that kind of stuff. So you're thinking,
well, I can't use that with this table. So what the Note
three is telling you to do is, hey, pretend like they're service conductors
there, and you would size them. Ignore what's there. You determine what
size conductors you would need to handle the load calculation. Just like I just
explained a minute ago. You have to figure out what size they would need
to be, and then forget about what the utility brought you underground. Pretend
that they're service entrance conductors that you sized and pick the conductor, and then
you go to two fifty one zero two C one. That's what the Note
three is trying to depict, because again, you could have applications where they're
not service entrance conductors coming in. Okay, so anyway hopefully that you know
makes sense to you. So basically, if they're not service entrance conductor,
the service later ules. Forget what size utility did Okay, forget about it.
Try to determine what size service conductors you would have to have based on
your load calculation, and then use that size to use the table. Ignore
what the utility brought to you. Okay, that's what Note three is trying
to do. Okay, hopefully that makes sense to you. If I didn't,
what do I always say? Just let me know what episode it is,
and all you got to do is go to Paul Abernethy dot com and
just kind of give me a summary of what the question was, what you
want clarity on, let me know what code socle you're working on, and
then post your question. I'm not going to go back and listen to the
entire podcast, So give me a good summary of what you're really asking or
what you might have heard, and I will make it clear and then we
can move on from that. Okay, But in your question, none of
the example in two thirty forty exception number two, or none of the first
part of your question that you ask has anything to do with Note three,
by the way, Okay, all right, hopefully that answers your question.
So see if that'll be it for today, or it'll see if I got
the other one that Darlene has me scheduled to take care of. All right,
I got a quick one. Here's the last question that Darlene has pointed
out for me today. It says, Hello, I am the Michigan Electrician
looking to take my Journeyman test again. I was wondering what study material you
could recommend Michigan still testing on the twenty seventeen NEC. Unfortunately I cannot afford
your material, but I do have a codebook and a few books on electrical
theory and material as well as grounding and bonding. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks. Okay, I cannot help your financial situation. Sometimes you
have to invest in yourself, and you know what, that's why we came
out with some more cost effective type programs. But you are on the twenty
seventeen and we do not have a basic or enhanced version for that. All
we have is the Black or the Plus, which is more expensive. So
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oh oh so, the only other advice I can give you is find yourself
a good category of practice questions. And they don't all have to be sterling,
but find you some and basically find them and go over them and really
hone in on it and get used to dissecting a question. Don't be in
such a hurry to answer a question. I've tell this to everybody out there.
Don't get you one hundred question database or whatever at two hundred question database
and try to answer them all so quickly. That is not the goal of
studying for an exam. The goal is to take your time on each question.
Pull out your clock if you want to time yourself, wait until the
last two weeks before you take an exam. But up until that time,
if it takes you ten minutes to answer a question, that is okay,
folks, Okay, I tell people this all the time. Do not listen
to educators that give you this bullshit about getting timed quizz and trying to do
them as quickly. That does not help you. All that does is elevate
the stress. Take a question, beat the question to death. Use your
index, use your table of contents, look up every word, find out
what could have gotten you the answer. It's going to be your way of
what I call the poor man's way of studying for an exam. Don't be
so quick to just answer questions in a database. You paid good money for
it. Use it, milk it. Extract everything you can get from the
question so that it not only helps you answer the question, but let you
learn what's in the index, let you learn what's in the table of contents.
It helps you in your maneuvering skills back and forth, because I can
tell you right now, if you're not familiar with using the index and going
back and forth, you can be very slow. But the more you practice
this, this is why our programs are fast tracks programs. We use these
chevrons. It's to pull you from the course into the NEC, back to
the course, back to the NEC. If you think that I'm just doing
that, it's being done for a reason. It's to help you move back
and forth. And whether you know it or not. We're subconsciously trying to
get you more comfortable with moving in and out of the codebook. That's the
whole purpose of why we do it. Okay, all right, so good
luck. Hopefully you'll you say again. So that means by the time you
probably always tell this to people, by the time you fail some exams and
pay the fees, you probably could have gotten a course and then pass it
the first time and you would have actually learned something in the process, and
that goes a long way. There's a difference between just passing a test and
actually learning something, and that's where structured programs come into play. All right,
folks, that's it for this Let's ask Paul for this week. So
if again, if you have any questions that you want to submit to me,
all you got to do is go to Paul Abernathy dot com. Yes
it's still there, it's still active, it's still sponsored by Wicks, and
you get to ask me any question you want on the National Leuntric Code.
Just be sure to let me know the code cycle that you're working out of.
Be very descriptive in your question, because I'm only going to answer what
you give me as a question. Until next time folks stay, say God
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