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Well off of a weekend that has
seen not one, not two, but

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three different intriguing fight cards from California
to England and back. We are ready

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to recap what has gone down.
We are also gonna hear from the interim

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WBC Super Middleweight title holder David Benavitez
in a little bit. It is the

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Fight Freak Unit recap we come off
the weekend. I am the somewhat competent

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host, TJ. Reeves. He
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Night substack a Big Fight Weekend dot
Com. Hello, Dan Rayfield, Lots

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to go over, Lots to discuss, some news and update on Shakur Stevenson

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and why in part he may have
looked so tentative in that awful title fight

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on Thursday night in Las Vegas.
Some good nostalgia as well. How are

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you feeling coming off the weekend?
Once again, I'm ready to go.

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As always, I think we are
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As Again, we do a preview going

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into the weekend, a recap coming
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hear special different conversations and interviews on
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help us out. So let's get
into it. Let's begin with the

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Matchroom Design Show in Inglewood, California, and Diego Pacheco did deliver the rising

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contender, one of the top fighters
prospects right now at one sixty eight.

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Better than a prospect, he's a
championship contender, and boy did he deliver

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against a veteran in Coseras. So, Dan, your thoughts off the weekend

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on what we saw Saturday night,
well, Teja, going into this fight,

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it was clear to everybody that pays
attention to such things that, without

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question, this was the most significant
fight of this kid's career so far.

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He's twenty two years old, and
he looked excellent throughout his career so far,

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but now he was taking another step
up beyond the types of opponents he's

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been facing. They've matched him well
and it's not like they've given him nothing

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but soft touches. He's taken steps
up. He fought Overseas, his last

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fight was in Mexico, fight before
that was in England, and so now

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he's taken on Marcelo Cosras, a
very game, tough Argentinian fighter who had

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fought for a world title in twenty
nineteen, I believe, against Billy Joe

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Saunders for the WBO title at one
hundred and sixty eight pounds. He was

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beating Billy Joe Saunders until he got
stopped. And so, you know,

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Billy Joe Saunders at that time was
certainly one of the best fighters in the

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way class, and he gave him
a tough fight, and he's given other

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fighters tough fights too. You know, that was the only time he ever

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got stopped in his losses. And
so Pacheco has taking a quantum leap up.

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And so the thing is, how
is he going to deal with cage

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Erder, an experienced fighter who has
a good punch who has a good chin.

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They've they've want to see what he
can do. They're they're taking the

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gamble. It was his first time
headlining in his hometown. You know,

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this is at La Area. He
you know, his lips grew up,

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you know, a few minutes from
where they had this match at the YouTube

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Theater, you know, which is
next to Sofi Stadium. Uh. And

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so all his people were out there
to cheer him on, and the kid

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performed. It was a good fight, a lot of heavy action both ways.

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Uh. You know. Uh,
Pachecko did very well early on.

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Casaras came on in the middle rounds
landed a whole bunch of solid punches.

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But Pacheco showed a good chin also. He took some heavy duty shots.

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Uh. And he never stopped marching
ahead and doing his thing. And finally,

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uh the upper cuts uh and and
in the hard right hands. You

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know, it just was too much. And when Cosas finally went down on

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the mat, you know, he
got hit with a nice upper cut,

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but okay, he's gonna get up. Because he was looking right at the

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referee. He was not like discombobulated. He had his wits about him.

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Uh, and he just stayed on
a knee, and that tells you a

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lot. He's like, you know
what, I don't want to be taking

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any more of those heavy shots.
I'm done. The commentators on his own

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agreed also, yes, he could
have gotten up. We just decided not

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to, which is fine. I'm
not going to rip him for it,

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but that's that's the name of the
game. He knocked him down and he

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made him submit on the shot.
It looked like Casara's did see it,

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and it definitely buckled him. He
went down and then I'm with you,

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he was watching the count and then
once it got to like seven or eight,

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and he wasn't making an attempt.
I was a little surprised by that,

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but again, we're not in there
taking the uppercut. It's very easy

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for us to sit back and be
critical of that when it was a shot

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dan, So you know, it
was what we wanted to see was to

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see the young fighter Pacheco tested and
he was. So I'm looking at the

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official squirrecard. One judge had it
seventy six to seventy six, which is

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maybe a little bit generous to Cosras, but he definitely won. You know,

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some of those middle rounds. Another
judge had it seventy seven to seventy

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five in favor of Pacheco. The
third judge had it seventy eight to seventy

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four, for which is I had
it. And in the end, those

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three judges don't mean anything, because, as I like to say, Diego

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Pacheco brought his own two judges,
his right and his left, and he

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got the job done, and it
was a tremendous performance. And this now

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is in prime for a huge twenty
twenty four. I do believe we'll see

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him in some bigger fights. You
know. The interesting thing is at one

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hundred and sixty eight pounds currently anyway, if you want to fight for a

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royal title, you got to see
Canelo Alvarez, and that's not so easy

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to do. He fights twice a
year. He's taking the biggest fights,

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and so the titles are tied up. On the one hand, we as

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fans and media, we want to
see underspeeded champions. On the other hand,

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if there is an unisputed champion,
everybody else got to get in line

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because that undisputed champions probably going to
fight twice in the year, maybe three

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times at the most. And you
know, Pachecko was the kind of guy

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at the moment anyway, who's not
going to bring a huge amount of glory

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and money to the fight, So
he's gonna have to wait his turn.

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But he's only you know, let's
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By the way, he's only twenty
two years old. It's not like

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it's incumbent that he has to fight
for a title in the next fight.

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He's not mandatory just yet. I'm
just making the point though, When you

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have an undisputed champion that has a
hammer lock on those belts the way that

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Cano Alvarez does, it's hard to
have other fighters fight for titles. And

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in a different era or a different
year, let's say, when the titles

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were all splintered, perhaps we might
be seeing him in a world title fight

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in the next fighter too. That's
probably not gonna happen at the moment,

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but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Let the kid develop some more.

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He's not a finished product than It
was a great performance, so all things

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considered, no doubt, five straight
knockouts for him as well. Coming off

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of the victory so earlier in the
day, a couple of separate fight cards

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won a Queensberry show and another a
boxer show in England. Let's start with

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the Queensbury and it was actually the
co feature fight, but we previewed this

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on the bet Us show. We
did make mention of it on our preview

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show going into the weekend. Nick
Ball Isaac Dogbay featherweight eliminator for the WBC.

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Ball gets the decision win over the
veteran over the former world champion at

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junior featherweight. Your thoughts watching Nick
Ball's performance please, Well, Nick Ball

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is a very fun fighter to watch. I've seen him fight several times on

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some of these other Queensberry under cards. We all know about Isaac dog Bay.

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He's usually in a good fight and
so when they made the match,

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I'm like, this is going to
be a good fight. And guess what

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it was. It was definitely a
good fight, now was it? It

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wasn't. I'll put it to you
like this. If you're watching each round,

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it's competitive round to round, But
nick Ball was winning all of the

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rounds. So when you look at
your scorecard after twelve rounds, you're gonna

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probably have it very wide for nick
Ball. But that that does not tell

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you that each individual three minute segment
was competitive. You know, they were

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both going at it. I mean, Isaac Doug Bay was in the rounds.

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He just was not doing enough to
actually win them. So when you

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saw the final cards one nineteen one
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one sixteen, one eleven, okay, it's all in favor of nick Ball.

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But that again, Nick Ball will
be probably the first to tell you

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that was a real fight. He
did knock dog Bay down in round four,

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not a heavy knockdown, but a
knockdown nonetheless. Uh, and he

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just had a that was the biggest
win of his career. Now he's mandatory

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for Ray Vargas, who was the
WBC's one hundred twenty six pound champion.

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I believe he has another fight that
will come before he would have to be

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ordered for this mandatory. I believe
that will be the fight that their at

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least PBC hopes to do. I
guess against Brandon Figueroa, who is the

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WBC's interim champion at one hundred and
twenty six pounds. But again, Nick

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Ball, fun fighter. Stocky Strong
comes forward. Seems like he's got a

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pretty good chin. Twenty six years
old, not an old Man nineteen and

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zero and just just a really good
performance. And the thing that was fun

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about it is, you know,
dog Bay despite the loss, you know,

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had fought a very spirited fight.
I mean, you gotta love Dogby.

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I mean, you know, I
know he's lost two fights in a

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row because of this loss today,
you know, on Saturday, rather combined

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with the fact that in his previous
fight he challenged Robasi Ramirez for the vacant

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wo built in the same weight class. He lost a wide decision in that

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one and again round to round.
He's competitive, but he's losing all the

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rounds. You know, I don't
know if dog Bay is really I don't

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know if he can make one twenty
two still and maybe'd be better off if

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he could go back down and wait
or at one twenty six. This is

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what he's going to be. But
I'll tell you what, whatever, even

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with these two losses in a row, he's still a kind of you want

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to watch. He's still the kind
of guy that can test anybody on any

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given night. And in terms of
nick Ball, like I said, fun

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fighter, and uh, you know
he took he took some solid shots too.

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It wasn't like this was an easy
win this decision when he got you

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know, he got hammered with a
couple of big shots during of course of

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this fight also, and it was
a you know, it was a tremendous

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battle, but one sided in terms
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was it was a good fight.
I was glad to see it. Yeah,

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ball on the way up. And
you wonder if dog Bay is not

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at a crossroads again. Navarate beat
him twice a few years ago. He

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had won what at least three fights
in a row before Robas Ramirez beat him,

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and now he's lost back to back
fights. We'll see what dog Base

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future as well. Go ahead,
I just got a really I mean,

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we're not going to get too deep
into it. But in terms of the

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main event was the British Midway title. Denzel Bentley was the Middleway the British

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Midaway champion, taken on Nathan Haney, who was a huge underdog. What

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a story heiny won the fight.
Man, it was a good fight and

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this dude pulled it out. It
was he was overcome by the emotion afterwards.

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It was a majority decision that Hainy
won, but legit, I mean

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it was it was a big upset. This was supposed to be, you

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know, just a you know,
ah, just a regular old defense for

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Bentley. Uh, you know who
had won. We had lost in twenty

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twenty two at the end of the
year to Jannadeck for the world title at

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the WO had won one fight since
and now he's making a defense against Hanney

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and it was a clear loss.
And uh, you know, you gotta

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love an upset like that. Why
we love boxing because it is, as

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the great Larry Merchant, who you
still stay in contactould always say, the

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theater of the unexpected. Just when
you think you have things figured out and

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you're rolling along, you take a
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a sudden knockout or something like that
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That was a good listen. That
was a It was a long that that

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Queensberry show that you were talking about. That was on TNT Sports in the

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UK and on ESPN Plus here in
the United States. It was a long

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show, but there were some very
solid fights on that show, culminating with

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the Dog Bay nick Ball fight,
plus the upset that Bentley took from Hany.

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But it was it was a good
entertaining show overall. Coming off the

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weekend, we're recapping lots of fights
against David Ben a Vidaz conversation with Dan

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in just a few moments. It's
Ben a Vedas Andred fight week in Las

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Vegas. Coming at the end of
Thanksgiving weekend. Stand by for that conversation.

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We're not done in England. In
the afternoon US time in England,

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the boxers Sky Sports main event was
in Wolverhampton, England, and saw adam

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Azeem get a late TKO over Frank
Pettijohn to win the European one hundred and

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forty pound title. A Zeem,
again on the rise as a prospect,

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looked good from what I saw again, I can see the full fight,

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but of the highlights, etc.
Tell me what you saw out of him

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in the victory. I saw a
kid that's going a long way in this

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sport. You know, he's got
charisma, he's got punching power. He's

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got a good team behind him with
Sean mcgwigan and as his trainer. He's

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got a big broadcaster in Sky Sports
behind him. He's got determination. By

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all accounts, he has a good
work ethic. I mean, the kid

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has you know good looks. I
mean, he really is the little package.

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And as we get further and further
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only ten fights, but he's passed
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incrementally stepping up his opposition. Frank
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his career, a guy that was
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pretty good defense and uh and uh
and you know, some good experience and

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and and I have to look this
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I guess they I guess it's accurate. But they were saying that by

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by the by the victory and by
Asim's securing the European title, that he

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is the fighter that has won a
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and only his tenth professional fights.
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that's still quite an accomplishment. That
the European title is a very traditional important

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title in boxing. If you take
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European titles, many many of those
champions of the europe have gone on to

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become world champions. Uh. It's
it's a it's an important stepping zone for

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any fighter that has world championship aspirations, and this kid is like, you

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know, this guy is. It's
similar like Pacheco from from the standpoint,

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they're both in their early twenties,
they're both quickly on the rise. Obviously

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Pacheco's got more fights than this kid. But Azeem did a good job.

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Petted John seemed to be in defensive
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the punching power from a Zem and
covered up quite a bit, didn't really

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want to throw too much back and
worry about getting caught. But he did

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get knocked down in round five.
He did get knocked down in round ten,

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at which point the fight you know
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Zeem was not on purpose, but
he did land a low blow and had

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got a point taken away from But
as the commentators were saying, as it

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was very obviously at one point was
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Azein had won every single second of
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and it was just a great showcase. I was really thrilled about it because,

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as we've talked about, the folks
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on Sky in the UK now have
a deal here for their events to be

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shown live on Peacock streaming service.
So they had their first event a couple

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of weeks ago, but that was
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had been canceled because of an injury. So this was the first one that

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I was like, really, I
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you know what it was. It
was great tuning it into Peacock and the

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the simulcast of the skycard perfect quality. Uh you know, no no uh

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no international version where they're doing why
shots and you don't see the feature and

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you don't see this hear that?
I mean, it was like the full

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the full throttle show. So it
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And uh uh, I'll tell you
what. My Peacock subscription will replace

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my Showtime subscription, which will get
canceled sometime come mid to late December.

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YEP. With Showtime getting out of
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do it justice. Uh, because
we made brief mention I think only on

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the bet Us Show. And by
the way, we did well on the

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bet Us Show. What was your
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believe I was what either what four
and one for this? Think you were

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four and one? You hit the
over on the pa Checko, I got

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the Pachecko Ko. As much as
I get mocked for taking KOs, I

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gotta like Ko on that one.
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The other thing I think we missed
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and Pettijohn fight going the distance.
I thought he was defensive minded enough and

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might be able to hang it enough
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third consecutive fight, partly because he
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he might want to try to conserve
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fight. So we missed that one. But we if you were following our

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picks and you were making a few
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This we did well. But we
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Friday, where they are Fridays at
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Friday night card in Uzbekistan and Carlo's
Quadris was on that card and did end

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up getting a victory. Tell us
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Yeah, that was that was kind
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of things. I mean, Okay, So the WBC had had it's had

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its convention in uz Bekistan, and
so they did a boxing card that was

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part of the festivities, and you
know, it was in like one of

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the main arenas and in in tesh
Kent, use Bekistan, the capital of

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the country, and one of the
main fights. The co feature was Carlos

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Quadras, a former champion in the
junior banneweight division, taken on Pedro Guavarro,

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who was a former junior flyweight title
holder. They were battling it out

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for the WBC's interim Junior bandaweight title
available. I guess because the real champion,

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Jan Francisco Estrada, has not box
since last December when he had his

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victory against Chocolate Tito gonzaz in their
third fight, and there was a lot

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of conversation that maybe this New year's
time frame he might be in a unification

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fight in Japan. I don't know
if that's going to happen, but in

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any event, the WBC allowed this
interim title fight. It was a good

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fight, and so the interesting thing
was when I saw it on the calendar

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and I saw the announcement that the
fight was happening. I actually had texted

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Mauricio sulim On, the president of
the WBC, who was obviously in the

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in uz Bekkastan for the convention,
and I said, Hey, any idea

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if there's any broadcast plans for the
fight, and he was like, I

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don't know yet. I don't haven't
heard anything, but if I hear anything,

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I'll let you know. And then
wouldn't you know, on the day

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of the fight, this is on
Friday, as Mariso recounted to me after

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the fact, that on the day
of the broad on the day of the

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event, the local promoter in news
Bekistan made some kind of broadcast deal with

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his own and so they didn't announce
it. There was no publicity. I

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kind of found it by accident,
but they showed this boxing card on his

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own, so it's there if you
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besides Quadras, they also had in
the main event position the big Uzbek baka

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deir Jaalalov, the twenty twenty super
heavyweight gold medalis who's from Huzbekistan, who

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went in there and just destroyed a
guy in the first round in a knockout,

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which is always fun to watch a
big heavyweight due damage like that.

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And there was you know, some
other guys. There was a nurse nurse,

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nurse Sultanolov in a WBC middleweight eliminator. So if you if you're into

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it, whether the fight is in
Englewood, California, or Wolverhampton, England,

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or Manchester, England or tesh Kent
huz Bekistan, who cares, it's

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all the same. You're looking at
the ring. It doesn't matter where it

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is. We get to watch it. It's a beautiful thing and we do

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a great job of recapping. Yeah, big time and Quadras. Quadras looked

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about as good as he's looked in
a long time. He got two knockdowns

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in the fight. One was a
legit knockdown. One he made him touch

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his glove down on a shot in
the fight, and you know he scores.

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It was a split decision, although
I don't really quite get how the

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one judge had Guivara winning the fight
one fifteen to one eleven. But the

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more normal car of cards that seem
more reasonable were the Quadrus cards that were

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one fifteen, one eleven, one
sixteen, one ten. So Quadras is

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in that group like that round robin
of Quadrius and Sir Rungi Sai and obviously

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Chocolate Tito and of course one Francisco
Astrada, and all four of them fought

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each other through the years in one
of the great foursome round robins in boxing

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history among those little weights. And
now Quadras is teed up for another shot

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against One Francisco Astrata if he'll do
the fight, But of course he's already

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lost to One Francisco Astrada twice in
past past bouts, one of which I

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was ringing side for. We'll see
what happens. Whether the title goes vacant

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or he gets elevated, who knows. But it was good to see Quadra's

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back in action and you know,
getting a solid victory Anders Belt, no

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doubt about that. Okay. So, as we have been mentioning, it

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is fight week for David Benavitez,
Demetrius Andred. We're looking forward to this

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pay per view our friends at PPV
dot com that are sponsoring us, but

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also Showtime. This is the last
Showtime pay per view as it stands.

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Unless something dramatic changes in December.
This is it. You've already had a

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conversation with Dimitrius Andre that we played
on the podcast. Let's get to David

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Benavitez with Dan talking about this pay
per view main event coming up Saturday night

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in Vegas. It's a pleasure to
welcome into our show today, the WBC's

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interim super middleweight champion, David Benavitez. David, I want you to know

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you are in the year and a
half I've been working on this podcast,

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my first three time guest. It
does not get you any kind of special

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bonus, however, thank you very
much for doing this. How's everything going

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getting ready for your big fight?
Yeah, it's going good. Man.

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Then I just want to tell you
thank you. I respect you. You

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know, you're one of the top
sports shrinkers in boxing for a long long

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time. So it's definitely an honor
to be on here. And I feel

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good, man, I feel amazing. You know, every camp has been

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I've been getting stronger and stronger,
faster and faster, I'm eating getting more

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experience. So now for this fight, you know, we got another tough

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competitor, you know, a lefty
guy that moves around a lot. People

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saying that he's an out box mean
just like they said, Caleb Plann was

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gonna out box me, but you
know, I feel like I'm just on

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a different level than these guys,
you know, and then I'm going to

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continue to show it. You know, he has a lot of experience,

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but I have a lot of experience
myself too, the professional for ten years.

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I've been working with high class fighters
when I was sparring with them when

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I was thirteen years old, So
you know, I have a lot of

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tricks out my sleeves too. But
I've been working hard. Man. This

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is this is the fight where it
gets closer and closer. Every fight gets

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closer and closer the Canelo fight.
So I just got to, you know,

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stay working hard, stay motivated,
and you know, I'm very excited

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going to show the fans what I
got to offer this fight November twenty fifth.

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Well, I should probably mention that
we're talking about the undefeated Demetrius Andre

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and the two division world champion in
the jingior middleweight and the middleweight division now

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boxing in the super middleweight division.
In this fight will take place, of

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course, November twenty fifth, at
the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas, live

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on Showtime pay per view. And
when I was thinking about you know,

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the types of thoughts about this fight. In my mind, I was looking

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at your record and now early on, you know, you beat a couple

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of undefeated guys way back, you
know, when they were like two to

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oh and that type of thing,
and one fighter that was not a top

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guy. But I think maybe it
was about twelve and oh. But this

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is before you were a top contender, you know, or at the championship

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level. This is gonna be the
first guy that you faced that is undefeated,

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that's also an elite fighter. And
I wonder when you go into a

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match like this and he's never lost
before, obviously you've never lost before either,

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is there like added motivation just to
be the guy that takes the o

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because so many times today's boxing,
at the top level, it seems like

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fighters are are sometimes unwilling to risk
that perfect record against another, you know,

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top guy who was also undefeated.
Yeah, it definitely gives me more

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motivation to be the first one to
say that, yeah, I beat Demetrius,

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and it gives me more motivation to
go in there and to do basically

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put the to have the fight and
look the way I want to have.

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You know, I think I'm gonna
go and there's gonna be a landslide.

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Either I stop him late or it's
gonna be a dominating performance. So,

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I mean, I've been working extremely
hard and you know he's undefeated, so

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I'm gonna be the first one to
say that. I could be the first

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one to say that I beat Dimetris
andres So, and that definitely gives me

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more of a motivation as well.
So he as I mentioned, he's a

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two division world champion, he's undefeated. As we talked about, here's the

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United States Olympian, He's a world
amateur champion, got a lot of accolades,

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but hasn't had the big fight yet
as a professional. You are his

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big fight so far, and I
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this would be his biggest win.
Do you think that this would be

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your biggest win? You've got some
good wins, but I don't know if

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I think that plants a bigger win
than this one would be. What do

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you think about that? Yeah,
I think it'd be a bigger win,

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definitely. I feel like every fight
is getting harder and harder, but that's

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better for me. So I feel
like the more I go up in the

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ranks, the better fighters I fight
and the better fighters I beat. So

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you're a guy between this fight that's
coming up in the November twenty fifth,

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your last fight in March against Plant
that will have had you had two fights

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this year, both against top level
fighters at the upper echelon of your weight

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class, both guys who are former
world champions. One loss between them that

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was Plants. Uh, you know, a loss to Canelouh, and you

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take pride. I mean, a
lot of guys even when they fight twice,

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it's one maybe big time fight in
one like a little bit of a

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lesser fight. You seem to me
at least this year anyway that I can

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think of, is the is the
the only guy at the top level of

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the sport who's taken on two top
guys in a row in the same year,

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back to back, without like a
lesser touch. Let's say in there,

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does that give you pride that you're
willing to do that and why are

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you different than some of these other
cats? Yeah, that definitely gives me

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pride because I just want to show
everybody that you know, I'm willing to

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risk at all to prove myself to
the fans. At the end of the

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day, I want to prove myself
to the fans and to myself that I

404
00:23:56,759 --> 00:23:57,839
am the best in this division,
and the only way I do that is

405
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:02,960
going up against the top opposition.
Also, I've been professional for ten years

406
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:04,799
now. I turned pro when I
was sixteen, and I feel like that

407
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,279
was just the groundwork to give me
to where I'm at now. You know

408
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,960
that for ten years, It's not
like I was fighting killers. You know,

409
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,440
my career Billy started picking off the
past five years. So now that

410
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,759
I got all the experience and now
it was just time to, you know,

411
00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:18,400
really go off to the big guys
and fight the best of the best

412
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,759
and beat the best of the best. So clearly this fight's a high class

413
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:25,880
fight. I don't think anybody's going
to dispute that really interesting matchup different styles,

414
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,720
of course. But I wonder before
this fight was finalized, this was

415
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,720
not like a rumor mill thing.
This was your promoter Samson Luca Wit saying,

416
00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:37,680
so, this was David Morrell's promoter
or co promoter Liam Margerley is saying

417
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,119
so to me that the two sides
had reached an agreement and that you guys

418
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,480
would fight each other and it didn't
happen, And I was wondering, why

419
00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:48,240
did that fight not happen, even
though of course you got a good fight

420
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,039
in front of you with Andre.
What happened with the Merrell fight? That

421
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:53,039
seemed like that was first on the
agenda, at least for your promoter and

422
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:57,279
for his promoter. Well, yeah, they never talked to me about that.

423
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,799
It was on there pro motionless.
But I never got to fight myself,

424
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:06,480
you know. I was trying to
go out after Mugia first and then

425
00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:10,599
Demetrisandre. The reason so because they're
more established. Yeah, I feel like

426
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,640
these guys are more established in the
boxing. That's why I want to go

427
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,079
after David Morreau. He has like
ten fights. He's a good fighter.

428
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:18,279
Don't get me wrong. I don't
want to take anything away from he's a

429
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:22,960
great fighter. But I feel like
that fight comes later. But yeah,

430
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,079
I mean, Samson can say whatever
he wants, but at the end of

431
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:27,799
the day, we do what I
want to do, you know, And

432
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:30,079
I wanted to get these fights.
I want to get these guys out the

433
00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:33,720
way and then we give moreau out
the way. Yeah, I mean I

434
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,759
listen. I mean, like like
you said, I mean, if you're

435
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:37,039
fighting andre great fight if you're fighting
morell great fights. So to me,

436
00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:40,279
it was sort of like, okay, as long as you're fighting another you

437
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:44,519
know, interesting matchup. So the
thing about this fight also between yourself and

438
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:48,359
Demetrius in comparison to when you were
getting ready to fight against Kayleb Plant,

439
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:51,079
I mean you know this, you
were in the fight tons of trash talk,

440
00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:52,880
a lot of bad blood, tons
of disrespect, you know, a

441
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,680
lot of bad words between everybody on
both teams. Seems totally different between yourself

442
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,200
and Demetrius. I know you're both
compared. You both obviously want to win

443
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:03,559
and take the other guy out,
but respectful at the press conference, you

444
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:07,680
know, complimentary of one another,
of each each other's accomplishments. Why is

445
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,519
there such a difference in the way
that both of you seem to be approaching

446
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,480
this fight in terms of the outside
the ring business compared to the way it

447
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,880
was between yourself and Plant. It's
because with me, to be honest with

448
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,559
you, I'm not really gonna go
after a fighter like that and disrespect a

449
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,839
fighter until I get disrespected first.
If I feel like there's tension in that

450
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,000
way, then I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna protect myself for you know,

451
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,119
defend myself as a man the way
I seem Demetrius he was cool,

452
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,160
calm, collective. He's never said
nothing bad about me. I've never said

453
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,200
nothing bad about him. So we're
professionals at the end of the day,

454
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,440
you know, I'm not, you
know. And at the end of the

455
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:42,519
day, we got to show the
kids too. You don't always got to

456
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,759
have a big be for talk shit. You know, at the end of

457
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:48,519
the day, this is professional sports
where both gentlemen and we could we could

458
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,640
take it the other way, and
I'm still gonna try and knock him out.

459
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,359
I'm gonna try to take his head
off. That doesn't that doesn't change

460
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,079
at all. But the way we
could conduct ourselves outside I mean, one

461
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,759
fight, acting like this is kind
of everybody that you know, Boxing is

462
00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:03,519
a classic sport. This is a
sport of gentlemen. It doesn't always have

463
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:07,599
to be shit talking or bad blood
this and that, because at the end

464
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,000
of the day, if you're sometimes
all that bad blood, it might lead

465
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,160
to a fight before the fight and
it focks everything up, you know what

466
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,480
I mean. So we don't want
that to happen. And you know,

467
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,839
I don't want to mess my money
up, he doesn't want to mess his

468
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,599
money up, and we'll both want
to go back home to our families after,

469
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,599
and you know, that's how it
has to be. You know,

470
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,279
we've conducted ourselves like gentlemen and professionals. So one thing I also found interesting

471
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:33,319
about this is just the fact that
your brother, your your older brother,

472
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,319
Jose Junior, he's going to be
on this card. Also he's taken on

473
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:40,359
Jamal Charlot, who's returning to the
ring for the first time in two and

474
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,880
a half years. He's the WBC
Middleway Champion, although this is going to

475
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,160
be a non title fight, and
his fight takes place right before your main

476
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,359
event, at least the way they
announced the show, And I wonder,

477
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,599
do you get a little nervous with
your brother also on the card where you

478
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:56,839
know, I mean, you're gonna
be concerned about how his result goes.

479
00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:02,119
And also the fact that because your
father, Jose Sr. Trains you,

480
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:06,640
trains him, that he's gonna be
busy in the ring with your brother taking

481
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,039
care of his fight as you're in
the dressing room in the final preparations for

482
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:14,640
what's a very big fight for yourself. Yeah. So, to be honest,

483
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,559
I do get nervous. I get
more nervous to my brothers than from

484
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:18,960
my own fights. I don't get
nervous for my fights. But for him,

485
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,200
I think it's just that I have
no control of what happens with him.

486
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,079
You know, he you know obviously, but he's been working extremely hard,

487
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:29,599
and I feel like this is a
great you know, this is a

488
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,680
great comeback fight. Not comeback fight, this is a great opportunity for him.

489
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,799
Uh. I mean, I feel
like my brother's gonna I feel like

490
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:38,279
he's gonna knock Charlo out. You
know, everybody says I'm crazy, but

491
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:41,960
you know, I've been seeing my
brothers. I've been smart with him,

492
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,039
and he's looking really good. So
I think that's how it's gonna go.

493
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,359
But my dad has this assistant trainers
that I could be working in the back,

494
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,920
you know, doing mites, warming
up by the time he's finished.

495
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:55,640
And I will say this, you
know, me and Demetris have conducted themselves

496
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,000
like gentlemen, But I think my
brother and Charlo, they might go hiad

497
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,359
it at the press conferences. They
might get a little spicy. I think

498
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,079
you're right, that's going to be. Yeah, that's gonna be a good

499
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:06,279
fight too. I'm very excited for
that fight, and it's gonna be a

500
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:07,039
great fight. I can't wait to
see it. Well, I guess you

501
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,079
can't really have Benevide's on a card
and have no shit talk, right,

502
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,000
that doesn't work. Yeah, all
right, you mentioned I want to wrap

503
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,039
up with this. You mentioned earlier
about that you still hope, of course,

504
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:21,079
to get a shot at Canelo Alvarez. He, of course is the

505
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:25,920
undisputed champion in your weight division.
You are the WBC's interim title holder.

506
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,920
You'll be his mandatory challenger eventually,
obviously, if you keep winning your your

507
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,640
defenses here now. Before you even
fought Caleb Plant, my perspective was,

508
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,920
and I think that of many boxing
media and boxing fans, was that you

509
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,960
were the big fight for Canelo,
the defense. He had other things he

510
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,000
did. He ended up fighting the
other Charlote brother when the brother, Jamal

511
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:49,720
was unable to do so. I
was hopeful, as were many, that

512
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:55,279
you guys would obviously fight each other
in this spot. That obviously is not

513
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:57,440
happening. Maybe next year. But
I keep thinking to myself that you are

514
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,440
I think the guy that most people
says is like the legit number one contender,

515
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,119
Dimitrius is there also, and that
the winner of the fight between the

516
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,400
two of you guys is gonna be
the clear cut I call him the people's

517
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,160
mandatory. Whatever Sanxing Body says,
do you do you agree with that?

518
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,279
And and how likely in your mind
do you think is that, because of

519
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,759
course you're both with PBC, that
he will fight you next year. I

520
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,559
definitely I do have a feeling that
he's gonna fight me next year. But

521
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,240
like I said, we're gonna stay
focused on what we gotta do, and

522
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,240
we gotta stay working, and I
gotta come out and I gotta look good

523
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,319
in this fight, and that's exactly
what I'm gonna do. But I just

524
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:37,440
feel like I'm just knocking out everybody
down. I mean, there's nobody else

525
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,000
that wants sixty eight that the people
want to see Canelo fight. You know,

526
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,160
I've been a mandatory for the past
two years. You know, I

527
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:47,440
won the title eliminator first, and
I went into him belt and I'm still

528
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,640
haven't got to fight. I just
feel like, you know, the people

529
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,759
want to see this fight. But
it's fine if I gotta take everybody out,

530
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,400
you know, the top five contenders
and the one sixty eight way class.

531
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,079
That's exactly what I'm gonna do.
I'm not going nowhere, and at

532
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,799
the end of the day, I
become more dangerous because I'm getting more experienced.

533
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:04,960
This is my second pay per view
fight, the big fights for me,

534
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,279
big crowd, so I'm you know, I'm really getting used to this

535
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:11,160
and I'm I'm very comfortable right now. So whenever that fight happens, I'm

536
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,200
gonna be more than ready. And
I feel like it's gonna happen next year.

537
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,119
I want to ask you this one
more thing what I just thought of,

538
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,519
and I forgot to ask you earlier. You mentioned that you thought you're

539
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,000
gonna just go in there and knock
Demetrius out, and I wonder, Uh,

540
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,039
you mentioned he's southpaw, He's got
a great background, experienced, and

541
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:30,640
I wonder, how how is that
like the style wise that you deal with

542
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:33,839
the southpaw style, the technical style, because your styles are so much different.

543
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:37,279
You're a guy that's obviously a pressure
fighter, a lot of knockouts,

544
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,160
a brawler showing a great chin,
but he used that technique. Maybe not

545
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,559
the biggest puncher, although he's got
a ton of knockdowns. How do you

546
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,640
think that that What is it that
you say that you believe in yourself that

547
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,599
you're just gonna be able to basically
go in there and just get rid of

548
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,920
them that easily the way you make
it sound, Well, no, I

549
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,920
didn't. I didn't. I didn't
mean it like that. It's gonna be

550
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,640
a tough fight, you know.
I think this is just my ego taking

551
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,039
over. But obviously I know it's
gonna be a hard fight. I gotta

552
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,359
go in there. I gotta cut
the distance. I gotta attack the body.

553
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,359
I gotta throw a lot of combinations, you know. I gotta,

554
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,240
you know, cut the distance with
the jab. But I didn't you just

555
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:10,720
basically do what I always do,
you know, start at the head end,

556
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:14,039
at the body, cut the ring
off. We you know what he's

557
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:16,000
gonna do. But if he wants
to brawl, we could go that way

558
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:19,000
too. I mean, at the
end of the day, I feel like

559
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,039
I'm the bigger, stronger, I'm
the more natural one one sixty eight pounder,

560
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:27,319
you know. I I think I'm
faster, I'm definitely stronger. So

561
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,960
I don't know, we're gonna We're
gonna see what's gonna happen. The thing

562
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,359
about me is that this every camp
I have their tremendous camp. So I

563
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,799
go into these fights with so much
confidence. You know, I've done twelve,

564
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:43,720
thirteen, fourteen, fifteen rounds,
three four five different sparting partners,

565
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,200
so I have tremendous confidence. If
it's gonna happen in the first if it's

566
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,720
gonna if I'm gonna hurt him the
first couple rounds, I'm hurting the first

567
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,279
couple of rounds. He definitely is
gonna get hurt in this fight. It's

568
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:54,559
just that, you know, we
gotta do. We gotta do what we

569
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:57,759
gotta do. We gotta cut the
distance, we gotta put them in the

570
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,960
uncomfortable situations and catch them with the
shot. And it's worked for every other

571
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,319
fighter, you know what I mean. So I have a lot of confidence

572
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,759
in myself and my combination. So
when you get this job done, well,

573
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:08,880
I'm looking forward to this fight.
I think it's a classy matchup,

574
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,680
a great style matchup. I wish
you the best of luck, David,

575
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
and I thank you very much for
doing this and best of luck. On

576
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,319
November twenty fifth, yes, sir, thank you, and let me publicly

577
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,599
say you are hustling. We're bringing
the fans all kinds of newsmaking fighters,

578
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:30,920
promoters, etc. You've heard from
the likes just recently of Shakur Stevenson,

579
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:35,119
Tim Zoo, even Oscar de la
Joya, and now David Benavita's here,

580
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,680
so great stuff. Keep it up. I even got a chance to talk

581
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,200
with Jamel Herring in an interview.
So fans, if you're enjoying hearing from

582
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,680
the fighters and the newsmakers, make
it a point to follow and subscribe on

583
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:51,000
the podcast feed. With everything that's
going on, we will obviously preview more

584
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,400
specifically the Benavitas Andre fight. But
how did you find him in that conversation?

585
00:33:54,519 --> 00:34:00,240
Is this is obviously a marquee spot
for him to be in. It's

586
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:00,839
a great interview, first of all, I mean, he really gets it.

587
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:05,000
He's wonderful with his meat, with
his meat and his pr He's an

588
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,400
exciting fighter and a fun fighter to
watch, and he's a pleasure. And

589
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,559
interviewed him many times. I think
he's actually our first ever three time guest

590
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,440
on the podcast, which I joked
around with him. People heard of the

591
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,280
interview. I said, David,
you're our first three time guest and that

592
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,719
doesn't get anything extra for you for
being on again. Anyway, No,

593
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,079
David's a David. You know,
he really understands, you know, what

594
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:29,199
he wants to do in the sport. He's he's gotten more mature, you

595
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,599
know. W he started out as
a as a twenty years old when he

596
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,760
when he I think won his first
world title at twenty, he was the

597
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,199
youngest ever tybe he was twenty one
whatever was he was the youngest ever super

598
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,320
midleweight champion. He obviously, you
know, he got stripped because he you

599
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,840
know, he made a bad mistake
by by testing positive for cocaine, which

600
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,480
he seemed very apologetic for. I
actually believe the way he went at that,

601
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,920
that that he that he did,
you know, knows he did the

602
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,760
wrong thing. And I think he's
gotten some maturity now. You know,

603
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,559
he's now married with the family and
so you know that can change the way

604
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,119
people are. But anyway, he's
very much excited about this fight, as

605
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:02,960
people could hear in his voice,
just looking forward to getting down with Andre.

606
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,039
You know, you know, they
respect each other, they know that

607
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:08,400
it's a tough fight for each of
them. They bring different styles and it's

608
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,559
just a it's gonna be I think
it's gonna be a really good fight in

609
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,159
David if he can win, or
advice versa for Andred, as you heard

610
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,840
in the previous interview we had with
him on the podcast a couple episodes ago.

611
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:22,599
You know, they hope that with
a victory they get themselves into position

612
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:24,159
to get their name called the fight
against Canelo Alvas. And you mentioned about

613
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:27,760
the interviews, you know, besides
Benavidez, we've got some good ones coming

614
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,159
up. We got some that were
ready to go. We got we got

615
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:34,119
Regis Prora coming up. We got
Xanders Ayas coming up. We got Ryan

616
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,320
Garcia coming up. We got some
good shit coming up. We do that

617
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,920
should be on a bumpus sticker right
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right, some news and then some nostalgia

635
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:10,920
and we're done. Uh. When
we left the podcast on Friday, I

636
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,239
gotta keep all my day straight.
Here we we were, we were wondering

637
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:21,719
as we put the late night Thursday
Night Championship double header to bed what was

638
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,480
up with Shaquur Stevenson. So there
is some reporting out there about what's going

639
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:30,320
on, what may have been the
cause of him being Uh, let's let's

640
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,280
just say this, Uh, how
can we be polite? He was not

641
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,000
Shakoor, he was not very active, not doing a lot, very dull.

642
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,440
Let's just let's stop. We just
say the fight sucked. That part

643
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,000
of it is, I'm trying to
be politically correct, but it did.

644
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:47,599
So we did say coming off of
that, was there an injury? And

645
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:52,199
now there's some reporting about this.
What's the latest? Not excuse making,

646
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,760
but what's the latest about what was
going on? Yeah, I mean it's

647
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,599
not a surprise because if you watch
the fighting, you know the difference between

648
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,480
you're right and your left. You
notice that of course, Stevenson for pretty

649
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,480
much the entirety of twelve rounds barely
through his left hand, which is,

650
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,000
you know, a weapon for him, and he didn't use it at all.

651
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:08,880
So you wondered they were They were
commentating about it on the show,

652
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:13,519
wondering and speculating. And I will
give Shakurt credit as bad as if I

653
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,639
was. He didn't make excuses about
it and didn't call attention to an injury.

654
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:17,760
Said, I don't want to talk
about it. You know. He

655
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,800
just said he didn't feel good.
You know, he felt bad coming into

656
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,159
the fight. Okay, but that
that's what it is in any event.

657
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,840
Uh, my good buddy. Keith
Idac from Boxing Scene, who was at

658
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,800
the fight, spoke to Bob Aaron, the Top Rank promoter, and Bob

659
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,639
said that Shaquor had a bum shoulder
and that two three weeks before the fight

660
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:35,519
he had to see the doctor and
he almost pulled out of the fight.

661
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:37,719
They thought he might pull out of
the fight. He went through with the

662
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,880
fight. Obviously, he was hampered
by the left to the left arm that

663
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,800
did not work very well, or
that he didn't use, or that he

664
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,480
favored or whatever you want to however
you want to say it. And uh

665
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:51,280
uh he got the win. He
got a lot of a lot of tremendous

666
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,159
negative response from social media, you
know, from fans on social media about

667
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:59,119
the performance. He knows it was
a terrible fight. He even said so

668
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:02,119
afterwards. He never aw a guy
who just became a three division world champion.

669
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:07,039
Uh. Seemed less happy than Shakequart
Stevenson after the fight, so he

670
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,719
knows. And I've said, steadfathlete, see as horrible as the fight was,

671
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,000
as absolutely shitty as it was,
uh, I do chalk it up

672
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:15,679
as an anomaly. I do not
think this is the Shaquart Stevenson we'll be

673
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,440
seeing on a regular basis. Every
fighter, at one time or another is

674
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,920
gonna have a shit fight. It
just so happened that it came for Sha

675
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:23,679
Court when he's fighting for a world
title on a national stage, in a

676
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:27,719
main event in Las Vegas, on
national television at a huge arena, you

677
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,960
know, et cetera, et cetera, on a and following the tremendous battle

678
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:35,679
between them, never Rette and Kansas
out, which makes your fight look even

679
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,119
worse when you just follow it up, you know, one of the better

680
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:42,519
action fights of the year, and
so again. And I believe that the

681
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,320
arm was injured because he didn't throw
it. So I don't think Bob's pretty

682
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,519
shit. I think that he had
some kind of issues, and uh we

683
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,079
hopefully he'll he'll hill up and we'll
see him in better seat. And you

684
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:52,320
know what, in boxing, man
like more than any other sport, I

685
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,199
think, And the problem is there's
so much time between each fight that we're

686
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,119
all going to hear. Every time
Shakurt comes up for the next however many

687
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:01,440
months and hell he fights again,
a lot of it's gonna be centered on

688
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:06,239
what a shitty performance that was against
Edwin de los Santos. You know,

689
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,280
if he was coming back out to
fight next week, it'd be's quickly forgotten.

690
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,920
But when he comes back in the
ring whenever that is, you know,

691
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,360
let's say, in the in the
first part of next year, and

692
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,960
he does a better job in that
fight, you know what, all is

693
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,360
forgiven and people will forget because we
can sit here in cite chapter and verse

694
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,639
of all time greats who went in
the ring and put on you know,

695
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:29,119
laid eggs and had terrible fights.
You know, let's not make it like

696
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:31,519
Shakour is the only you know,
great fighter that had a shitty fight.

697
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:34,519
I mean, there's plenty of them. I mean, I can think of,

698
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:37,360
uh, you know, pick any
superstar out there that you want,

699
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,719
and I can tell you there's probably
a fight in their in their resume that

700
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,960
you would never want to pop the
video in or call up on YouTube or

701
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:46,880
whatever. All Right, a couple
more news items, then we get to

702
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,119
the nostalgia. Speaking of Top Rank, they did announce Oshaky Fosters agreed to

703
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:57,079
a multi fight deal with them.
The WBC Junior Lightweight champion was in that

704
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:04,519
great fight just a few weeks back, so they have in tim and unification

705
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:07,119
could be possible. Here, just
give me a little more on that announcement.

706
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,760
Listen. It's it's a great signing
because he was a free agent.

707
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,639
The reason he boxed against Rocky Hernandez
on a Matchroom card is because he was

708
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:19,719
a free agent at that time.
He didn't have anybody to back him.

709
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:23,000
Rocky Hernandez his promoter as Matchroom.
They won the purse bid and so therefore

710
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:25,239
he was bound to them for that
one bout. And then he was a

711
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,519
free agent after the bout and he
was talking to different promoters and Top Rank

712
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,880
made him an offer and he accepted. And this is a good signing for

713
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,840
him because it's a good It's good
for Oshaki because now he's gonna be on

714
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,280
national television on ESPN and helped build
his own profile, make some good fights

715
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,239
and all that kind of stuff.
And also it's good for Top Rank because

716
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,440
it gives them another champion who you
know who they don't have to invest heavily

717
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,199
in there. He's a made guy
already, He's got the belt and and

718
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,440
he is in the prime of his
career. He's been in some very interesting

719
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,960
and crowd pleasing kind of fights.
But he's also a good boxer, and

720
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:02,679
more importantly, they have guys that
they can match him with, you don't

721
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:06,360
you know. It's one thing if
a guy's talent and you can sign them,

722
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:07,239
but then gotta figure out what the
heck do we do with him?

723
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,480
Right in terms of Oshaki Foster,
this is not complicated. You know,

724
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:14,000
I'm not saying this is going to
happen next or what the order is gonna

725
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,440
be, But certainly at one hundred
and thirty pounds, if they want to,

726
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,960
they could make a unification fight with
Navarette. Let's say he fight,

727
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:22,599
Let's maybe he does a rematch with
Concas out. The winner of that fight

728
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:27,760
could certainly square off with Oshaki Foss
in a unification. They now control both

729
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,920
of those belts. You have Oscar
Valdez, who's still a quality contender in

730
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,559
that weight class. He could put
him in there for a title shot.

731
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,400
Some of their fighters that they promote
at one hundred and twenty six pounds at

732
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,159
some point will probably rise in a
weight I'm talking about guys like Robessi Ramirez

733
00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:45,840
someday will be one hundred and thirty
pounds. Luis Alberto Lopez will probably go

734
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,679
up and weigh at some point,
and so that would give him a name

735
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,000
in that weight class. Or if
Oshaki Foster decides he you know, let's

736
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,079
say he loses, or he goes
up and weight or whatever, there's guys

737
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:58,920
at one hundred and thirty five pounds
that he could tangle with, whether it's

738
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,400
Chuck Course Stevenson down the road,
or other talented fighters like the Lomachenko or

739
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,760
whoever. I'm just making the point
that the one hundred and thirty pound weight

740
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,840
class is such a prime spot because
you got the quality guys at twenty six

741
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,719
that are probably going to come up. You got good guys that are already

742
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,280
in your weight class that you can
tangle with or are already with your promoter.

743
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:22,960
I will er check the name Emmanuel
navarate top rank fighter. Exactly are

744
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:24,400
you not paying attention? I just
spent like five minutes talking about that.

745
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:27,800
Well, yeah, but I mean, is Navarati going to stay at one

746
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,639
thirty? Is he going to try
to move up to one thirty five,

747
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:31,119
So you're right, that's not even
relevant, right, But the point of

748
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,159
any of the guys at twenty six
that move up, he fits in with

749
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,159
any of the guys already currently at
one thirty, especially the wise with his

750
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,760
own promoter, which are good guys
he can fight. And if he just

751
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,880
decides to go up to one thirty
five, he'll up opportunity because they've got

752
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,880
talent there also, So it's it's
a it's a match that works well,

753
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,519
I believe for Oshaki Foster as well
as for top rank. He won't fight

754
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:57,320
the rest of this year. We'll
see him back in the ring, most

755
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,280
likely in February defending his title.
Stuff. One more news item. We

756
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,599
didn't really cover this yet, but
we do it here. We do our

757
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:07,400
best to get back around to it. So the WBC has put this out

758
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:13,400
there, and let me just say
at the outset, these kind of things

759
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:17,400
draw criticism, etc. But with
what we're about to talk about, boxing

760
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:20,840
fans, I'm speaking to you.
I'm not speaking just to Dan Rayfield.

761
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,599
I'm speaking to you. How many
of you can name fighters six through ten

762
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,480
in any ranking in any weight class
without looking my hand is up. By

763
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,880
the way, most of us don't
know who any of them are without looking.

764
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,719
So the fact that the WBC has
ranked Francis and Ganu number ten,

765
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,199
I mean, I saw some reaction
on Twitter. They was like, oh

766
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,440
my god, again he's ranked tenth, And I get the fact that it's

767
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:52,400
one fight against Tyson Fury. So
some of this is to drum up publicity.

768
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,719
But to me, I'm just giving
you on the front end my take.

769
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,800
Now I want yours. Most of
us don't know six through ten.

770
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,719
A lot of us don't know three
through ten in any of these rankings.

771
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,119
Even in the heavyweights, we don't
know the ranking. Go ahead. You've

772
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,079
probably heard of some of those guys. But it's like a it's there's two

773
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:13,800
ways to look at it. Either
one, like you said, they think

774
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,599
that he really deserves it because he
basically he basically beat the heavyweight champion to

775
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:20,239
a lot of people. At the
very worst, he was, you know,

776
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,119
one point away from beating the heavyweight
champion in his pro debut, including

777
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:28,760
scoring a knockdown. They do respect
his combat history, maybe not as a

778
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,320
boxer, but as one of the
top fighters in mixed martial arts. So

779
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:36,599
I'm not saying that's boxing, but
that's part of the reason because he has

780
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:42,239
shown a championship level ability in that
sport and like most importantly, like I

781
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,199
said, he went straight up if
not beat the heavyweight champion of the world

782
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:50,679
in his pro debut, and it's
you say, publicity is part of it

783
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,039
when he fights, if he goes
into an eliminator or our regional titles or

784
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:59,639
something like that, it will bringing
publicity and money to the organization. And

785
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,880
the negative way to look at it
would be that the heavyweight divisions think so

786
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,559
bad that a guy in his pro
debut could go oh to one and go

787
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:09,960
into the top ten, because that's
how weak the second part of the division

788
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:14,760
is. I think it's kind of
a mixture of both, and I saw

789
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,199
the criticisms that you saw about it. Personally speaking, I have no problem

790
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,840
with it because A it's not like
he's fighting for the title in his next

791
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:29,320
fight. B. He essentially defeated
the heavyweight champion, and even though he

792
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:34,280
technically his own one, his one
fight those ten rounds is still probably better

793
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,119
than what most heavyweights have already done, certainly in that lower part of the

794
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:42,840
top ten or into the top fifteen, and you know what, he is

795
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,559
already a star, and that you
get there are privileges when you're a star

796
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,880
in athletics, and I don't have
a problem with it. It's not a

797
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,079
big deal to me. You know, they want to associate themselves with frances

798
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:55,639
nagan Who. I get that.
Again, it's business, I understand.

799
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,119
I don't think it's strictly a business
decision, but certainly if you were making

800
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,800
a laundry list of reasons, it's
part of it. And I have no

801
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,559
problem with Francis Nigano being ranked number
ten. And one more important point,

802
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:12,039
this is math, this is reality. Can we help everybody out one more

803
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,599
time? If he's tenth, there
are nine other guys, the WBC says

804
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:22,920
that are more deserving of the shot
than a rematch for Naganu against Tyson Fury.

805
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:27,320
Everybody relaxed. I mean that means
he would have to win several like

806
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:30,480
more than a couple fights back.
No, I mean well, but I

807
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:34,639
mean I'm just saying if the number
two guy beats the number three guy,

808
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,119
or the number three guy beats the
number two guy, then then in just

809
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,480
in general, that should be worth
more than what's going down in the in

810
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,880
the bottom down in the six through
ten. But the way that there should

811
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,400
wait it that way, the way
the rules work is by being placed at

812
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,639
number ten. He now can be
an optional defense for the champion. But

813
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,320
we sort of already saw that.
We say it wasn't it wasn't a fitly

814
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,920
for their title, but but now
it could be if there's a rematch.

815
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,960
Again, this is a lot of
if in what and we'll see Tyson Fury

816
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:13,039
is fighting Alexander Usik for the undisputed
title coming in February. The WBC was

817
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,239
very specific at their convention when they
went through all their divisions and did their

818
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,679
mandatories and all that. They did
not make a mandatory in the heavyweight division.

819
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,719
It's open ended at the current time. They'll reassess it after what happens

820
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:25,880
with the Wilder and Joshua doubleheader.
They'll wait to see what happens with Usik

821
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,880
and Fury. In the meantime,
if Tyson Fury wins against Usik and there's

822
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,440
no rematch and he wants to try
to do a Nagano rematch, he now

823
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:38,199
was qualified according to their rules to
challenge for the title. They didn't They

824
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,599
did not sanction the first, you
know, the October twenty eighth fight for

825
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,360
the title, you know, for
obvious reasons. But now he's number ten

826
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,880
in the rankings based on ten rounds
of excellent performance against the champion, and

827
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,079
so now they could theoretically sanction that
as a heavyweight championship fight. Legit,

828
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:58,639
twelve rounds for the belt as opposed
to ten rounds only for the lineal title.

829
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,239
All right, onto the nostalgia and
then we wrap it up here three

830
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:07,800
different pieces. The first one a
nineteen ninety showdown thirty three years ago on

831
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:14,800
Saturday this past weekend, Chris Ubank
with a knockout of Nigel Ben in their

832
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,679
first fight. He won the WBO
Middleway title, which was a brand new

833
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,719
correct that was like within the first
little bit of the WBO's existence. Yeah,

834
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,519
about the just tremendous fight, tremendous
fight, go ahead. Nobody really

835
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:30,519
considered in nineteen ninety the WBO to
be a legitimate title. You know,

836
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:34,280
if you now that we look back
on it, it seems like, okay,

837
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,440
it was a title fight and it
was for that for that belt,

838
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,280
and in Britain it was more easily
accepted than it was here in the United

839
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,559
States. Or many other places in
the world. But put that aside.

840
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:45,880
The title was not necessarily the main
thing about it. It was that it

841
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,679
was a phenomenal fight, probably one
of the best fights in the history of

842
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,639
British boxing. It's a legendary fight
to this day. It's why there's so

843
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,440
much interest, frankly, and why
they want to see. The fans over

844
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:02,280
there are so intrigued and interested in
the prospect was seeing their stuns Chris Eubank

845
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,039
Junior fight against Connor Ben because it
carries on the family legacy of the incredible

846
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,880
rivalry that these two guys had with
this first fight coming in nineteen ninety that

847
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,960
was a phenomenal fight. To have
this rematch that turned out to be a

848
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:19,679
draw in a super mid aweight titled
unification fight in nineteen ninety three. But

849
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,000
the first one, of course was
the better of the two. You know,

850
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:25,559
they did it in the arena in
Birmingham, England, a big build

851
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:30,159
up to the fight, tremendous action, huge deal. And the thing about

852
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:32,519
it was the fight was never broadcast
in the United States. This is way

853
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:36,719
before they were streaming. There was
no YouTube, there was no anything.

854
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,000
It wasn't on one of the boxing
channels and therefore it wasn't around. But

855
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:44,519
in the UK it was on free
television in prime time on ITV, which

856
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,159
is like the British equivalent of an
ABC, a CBS, that type of

857
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:50,679
thing where it's over the area.
Plug your TV and you get it.

858
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,119
ITV, you know, for many
years, showed top quality boxing matches for

859
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:59,679
a long time. This was a
match room card. They did regular fights

860
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:02,599
on IA TV at that time,
with Barry hearn Eddie's father as the you

861
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:07,960
know, the front man promoting the
event, and they just put on a

862
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:10,239
spectacle. It was a tremendous fight
and if you've never seen it, it's

863
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,880
worth watching. This was This was, you know, one of the classic

864
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,639
nineteen nineties fights. Great stuff.
And again I've relived that and watched that

865
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,000
and it's not that unheard of.
Again, we often mocked the gen z

866
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:27,840
ors, the under thirty year olds. They used to have fights on network

867
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,639
TV in the United States regularly every
week every month, and in England it

868
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:36,320
would be the same way too,
And things then began to move to pay

869
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,599
per view and different pay services and
whatever. But that's a that's a nice

870
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:45,039
perce. I gotta tell you how
different it was back then. Because that

871
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:47,880
fight was not on television in the
United States, you really didn't know it

872
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,199
was even happening very much, except
maybe, like because you saw a thing

873
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,119
about it in like the Ring magazine
or the magazine or whatever. There was

874
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:58,840
a lot of boxing magazines back then
that you could find on your newsstands,

875
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,639
and it wasn't like a huge event
for American boxing fans. So even if

876
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:05,199
it was covered in the magazines,
it was not a lot about it.

877
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,800
Number one, number two. It
wasn't the kind of thing because it was

878
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,960
such a huge fight that it was
covered in your local newspaper or sports you

879
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,199
know, if you're watching like the
late news like eleven o'clock at night or

880
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,119
whatever, or even on Sports Center
back and then then in those days,

881
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:21,960
so even if you knew the fight
was happening, it was hard to even

882
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,000
find out what what the result was, so you might have to wait to

883
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:28,119
get like the Ring magazine a few
weeks later, a month later. If

884
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,800
you lived in Britain, maybe you
get the Boxing News which came out every

885
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,719
week. You know, there were
some people that might get the boxing news,

886
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,239
you know, delivered to them to
the United States, but even that

887
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,800
because it was on paper and it
took time mailed, you know, not

888
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,239
first class, but it took a
couple of weeks to get her anyway,

889
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,079
you know, so you might have
to like, you know, call your

890
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:47,880
buddy on the phone in England and
it would it would make this people can't

891
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,599
fathom this. No, it was
like your your your buddy would say,

892
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,119
hey, I watched the ben U
Bank fight. Did you see it ben

893
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:59,159
You know ben Uh got knocked out
and u Bank looked great and it was

894
00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:01,239
a fun fighting. You tell your
friend and that's the way you know you're

895
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:07,079
boxing. People would find out through
word of mouth on telephone calls. There

896
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:08,599
was no you couldn't text somebody.
There was no instant message, there was

897
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:15,280
no email. It was like ancient
times. We're only talking about fucking nineteen

898
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,559
ninety's that long ago. I mean, yeah, and it's a circumstance again,

899
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,119
and we're about to move on.
But it's a circumstance again where there

900
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,199
wasn't a US broadcaster who was willing
to pay to even show the replay.

901
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:30,239
So, as you use the word
unfathomable as we do this podcast, I

902
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:37,039
watched a term world title fight from
fucking Uzbekistan in the present day, but

903
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:40,800
it's unthinkable that you did not even
have somebody to show the replay. So

904
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,079
if you had not seen this live, there is no internet, there is

905
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:49,400
no YouTube, There's not a way
to see it until many years later when

906
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,119
now we have YouTube and somebody puts
it on YouTube. There were people that

907
00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:58,519
probably never knew the fight was happening, had no idea what occurred, and

908
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,800
three, four or five weeks later, the local convenience store or the book

909
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:07,360
shop or the magazine stand bought a
copy of The Ring or some other boxing

910
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,360
magazine and popped it open and read
about this great fight from England between Nigel

911
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,800
Bent and Chris Hubank. Now in
twenty twenty three, you can go on

912
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:22,280
your phone and in twelve seconds putching
that trap on YouTube. You know U

913
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,199
Bank Ben one, and you can
watch the entire broadcast in its entirety,

914
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:30,599
in its glorious different time, that's
for sure. So move forward to seventeen

915
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,800
years after that, November eighteenth of
two thousand and six, again the anniversary.

916
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,239
This past weekend, you were ringside
for Manny Pacquiow in his third matchup

917
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,800
with Eric Morales, laying him out. You were there for that one.

918
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,559
What do you remember? I remember
a lot. They had had two fantastic

919
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:53,559
fights. The first fight's a sore
spot for me. That was in March

920
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:58,119
of two thousand and five. It
was supposed to be the first fight that

921
00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:02,039
I went on the road to travel
to cover after I started working for ESPN.

922
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,039
I got sick. I could not
travel. I missed. In my

923
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,159
entire career of covering boxing, there
are two bouts that I was supposed to

924
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,000
travel for that I got and I
don't. I don't get sick a lot.

925
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,519
I got sick like twice in all
those years. I happened to miss

926
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:21,400
two of the greatest fights you'll ever
see. I got sick and miss Gaddy

927
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,000
Ward one. And I got sick
and I missed Eric Morales Pakia one,

928
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:30,039
which was an absolute classic, incredible
battle. You know that Eric Morales won

929
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,800
that fight, and you know,
a tremendous, tremendous fight. I was

930
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,880
at the rematch, which was another
great battle. Pacio got the revenge.

931
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,360
And now they're going for the third
fight. And by the way, the

932
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,119
fascinating thing, by the way,
about that trilogy, which is a very

933
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,360
underrated trilogy, A tremendous trilogy.
They fought three times, all in one

934
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,480
hundred and thirty pound weight class,
and not one of those fights between these

935
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:53,519
two legendary Hall of famers or you
know, Pakia is not in all fame

936
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:58,440
yet but will be when it's time
to be voted on. Do you believe

937
00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:00,440
that not any of their three title
uney, their three fights were a world

938
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,480
title fight. That is mind boggling
to me. They were all either regional

939
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:07,360
dogs. You would get a lot
of people on that trivia question. They

940
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:13,719
filed three times and none of them
were title fights. Pa and Eric Morales.

941
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:17,079
The first one was for the WBC
International title. It's a regional title,

942
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,760
the second one was a WBC one
hundred and thirty pound title eliminator,

943
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,880
and the third one was again for
the WBC International one hundred to thirty pound

944
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,239
titles. So these two great spot
three times, none for a world title.

945
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:34,360
But anyway, when they went into
the third fight, uh they're one

946
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,800
and one. They're doing the trilogy. Uh and uh, you know,

947
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,800
Manny Pacya was like a man possessed
a night. Morales said, seen better

948
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:45,920
days and it was. Uh so
it was a pretty dominating situation where he

949
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,920
put you you said he laid him
out. He didn't really lay him out.

950
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,440
What he did was he knocked him
down in the third round, but

951
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:55,480
he had given him so much punishment
leading up to that, and Morales was

952
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:58,880
the underdog going into the fight,
not a huge underdog, but he was

953
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,800
definitely the dog. And it got
to a point when he went down.

954
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:07,119
Uh he sat in the in the
in the ring and he put his arms

955
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:09,639
basically around it. It was very
reminiscent you if you could do a side

956
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:15,480
by side photograph and look at the
way Eric Morales looked when he got dropped

957
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,079
by Pakia, and then next to
it put the picture of the way Alexis

958
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:22,800
Argueo. Yes, I agree,
you were going there because he has the

959
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,800
arms wrapped around the knees in the
seated position and it's just like I'm done.

960
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:30,960
It was the mirror image of a
great fighter in Argueyo and a great

961
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,719
fighter in Morales just knowing they can't
beat this guy tonight and saying that's it.

962
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,280
I'm done. And it happened when
he fought the rematch against Aaron Pryor

963
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,159
for Argueo, and it happened in
the third match between Manny Pacio and Morales,

964
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,960
where Morales looked over to his father, who was also his trainer,

965
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,360
and was like, Dad, I
don't have you know. He didn't say

966
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,679
this, but you could just tell
the look on his face. I'm just

967
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,280
done. And uh, that was
a huge win because Eric Morales, by

968
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,079
the way, the last word you'd
ever used to describe Eric Rowse was be

969
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:02,199
like as a guy who's a quitter. I mean, this is a guy

970
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:06,480
who's as you know, as ultimate
warrior as there is. But on that

971
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:10,119
night he just had nothing for Manny
Packet, who was about to begin or

972
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,320
was in the in the early stages
of what became like an absolutely legendary run.

973
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,840
You know, this is a couple
of fights before he fought the first

974
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,039
fight or the rematch rather with Marco
Antonio Brera. Then he had Marquez,

975
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,800
David Diaz de la Joye, Ricky
had and Miguel Coto. I mean,

976
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,000
it was just but this was at
the that third fight with Paco and Morales

977
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,400
was sort of the indication that that
Pakia was going to be moving on to

978
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,000
bigger things beyond one hundred and thirty
pounds and some even bigger fights, and

979
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:45,719
and uh, but that that Pac
Yao was so electrifying that that you could

980
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,559
not take your eyes off this guy
and what he did to Morales. He

981
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,320
Morales had had, you know,
he had lost before, but not like

982
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,920
that, not not as complete like
you know, like it was a like

983
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,639
a tsunami just coming over him.
It just couldn't do anything. It was

984
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:02,280
any great performance in a very memorable
night at Thomas and Mack Center for me

985
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:07,880
and anybody else that was present.
And one more nostalgia moved forward seven more

986
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:15,079
years to November nineteenth of twenty sixteen, which the anniversary was Sunday. Andre

987
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:21,079
Ward defeat Sergei Coviallev in their first
fight and captures three of the light heavyweight

988
00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:23,960
titles. You were there for that
one as well, again, mister nostalgia.

989
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:28,000
What do you remember about that night? I remember that was a huge

990
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:31,760
fight going in. They were both
undefeated. Covid Lev was the three belt

991
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:37,360
light heavyweight champion and was a devastating
fighter. Was knocking everybody out. I

992
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:39,440
was, you know, doing damage
to everybody that he faced. Andre Ward

993
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:44,559
was the super middleweight champion coming up
in wait, had won you know,

994
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:49,480
the tournament, the Showtime Tournament to
you know, had defeated Carl Frotch and

995
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,000
and stood atop the King of the
Mountain in that way class, and now

996
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:58,159
the question was, you know what
is next now? He did this was

997
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,039
not this was not the next fight
after that or anything like that. He

998
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:04,480
did fight several fights after he won
the tournament, you know, including knocking

999
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:07,360
out Chad Dawson who was the light
heavyweight champion at the time that had come

1000
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,320
down and wait and then knocked out. Then he had a couple of smaller

1001
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,119
fights, and people are sort of
getting frustrated because Ward had had you know,

1002
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:15,559
he had problems with his promoter and
he was on the shelf for a

1003
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:17,719
while. He had some injuries.
He had had kind of four fights in

1004
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,599
a row against just you know,
regular kind of opponents. I mean,

1005
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:23,079
he did beat Solo Umbrera in there
that was undefeated at the time, but

1006
01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:28,599
not big time fights. And finally
they made the match with Covi Lef So

1007
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:32,119
again you got the undefeated super middleweight
champion who was high on people's pound for

1008
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:38,119
pound less. You've got the undefeated
Sergei Kovalev who was destroying everybody, and

1009
01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:42,639
it's a great clash of styles.
You got the Consuma boxer, technician of

1010
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,000
andre Ward against just all out,
you know, rip your head off,

1011
01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:49,760
but also with solid boxing ability in
covial Lev. And they made it.

1012
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,280
They made the fight for Team Mobile
Arena. This is again twenty sixteen.

1013
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:55,679
It turned out to be a very
good fight. Andre Ward got the toughest

1014
01:00:55,719 --> 01:01:00,199
fight of his career that night,
and I, along with many, many,

1015
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,840
many other people thought that even though
it was a close fight, that

1016
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,840
Covelev won the fight. I scored
that fight one fifteen to one twelve.

1017
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,320
All three judges scored the fight one
fourteen to one thirteen in favor of andre

1018
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,000
Ward. I did not like that. I think to myself, if the

1019
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,320
if the judges had gone the other
way and given it the covi Lev,

1020
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,960
what that would have been. In
terms we talked about the moments that changed

1021
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,559
boxing, I always bring up if
holy Field and Roy Jones had fought instead

1022
01:01:25,559 --> 01:01:30,440
of Roy Jones going back to light
heavyweight to fight Tarvar those types of very

1023
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:35,000
significant things that changed the trajectory of
history of boxing, or certainly for a

1024
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:37,679
particular fighter. I think things would
have been a lot different for Coviallev.

1025
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:39,719
There might there might not have been
a rematch which he ended up getting knocked

1026
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:44,320
out in controversially because some people thought
it was a low blow that scored the

1027
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,840
knockout or led to the knockout.
But this was this is a big fight.

1028
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,400
Now. It didn't do huge business
because neither guy was you know,

1029
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:53,400
had had a track record on pay
per viewed. They didn't have any of

1030
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,840
them the huge fan bases. But
they did put it on pay per view.

1031
01:01:57,039 --> 01:01:59,840
Didn't do very well. But in
terms of the significance, you know,

1032
01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:02,159
at that time in twenty sixteen,
you couldn't get a more meaningful fight

1033
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:06,320
when you're talking about the two champions
from their those two weight classes, who

1034
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,599
are both basically you know, one
two or three on the pound for pound

1035
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:12,679
list in that in that ballpark,
and uh, you know, it's still

1036
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:16,239
to me is a fight that kovi
Lev won, but at least andre Ward

1037
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:21,440
in the rematch, he got the
knockout, and that was to Andre retired

1038
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,239
after that fight, and you know, retired undefeated and is now in the

1039
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,760
Hall of Fame, and cove Lev, you know, his career kind of

1040
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:30,360
went downhill to a degree after those
losses. You know, he's never he

1041
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,480
was never really the same, and
now he's still trying to make a go

1042
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,760
of it as a cruiserway, and
I've been I've been hearing the rumors that

1043
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,280
there's a good possibility that he'll he'll
next fight on the undercard when Tyson Fury

1044
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:45,559
and Auxander Usik have their fight in
February day. Tyson, Usik and Kovil

1045
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:49,079
shared the same manager in Egus Klemas, so that would not be a shocker

1046
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:52,920
to me. But but he had
such an up and down after those losses

1047
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,280
to to andre Ward. But he
should have got the win in the first

1048
01:02:55,320 --> 01:03:00,760
fight in my opinion. Wow,
we have had a busy show off of

1049
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,119
a busy weekend. It is now
Thanksgiving week. It is Benavidez Andred week.

1050
01:03:05,559 --> 01:03:08,800
We heard from David Benavidez earlier in
this podcast with Dan again, we

1051
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:14,360
thank our friends at PPV dot com
for sponsoring a showtime in PBC will be

1052
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:20,199
TELEVISINGPPV dot Com as well on a
streaming service for that. Before you and

1053
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,800
I do this again, we got
Thanksgiving coming up, so we got Thanksgiving

1054
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,360
for later this week. We spend
some time going over, go back and

1055
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,800
relive the bet Us show. Because
at the end of the question and answer

1056
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:31,039
on the bet Us YouTube show,
I began to query you about why don't

1057
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:32,639
we just do it right here,
We'll take two minutes, We'll do it.

1058
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,480
We did it already. This is
this is like a This is like

1059
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:42,199
a comedian going through the same jokes
again, like the same routine, night

1060
01:03:42,239 --> 01:03:45,639
after night. After that, I
asked you on the bet Us Show Turkey

1061
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:51,320
or Ham. You mocked me and
said right away, of course Turkey.

1062
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,079
I hate him all right, so
I like both, but Turkey would probably

1063
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:58,239
be my preference. We both agree
on the same one side. If you

1064
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,199
can only have one side with the
turkey for Thanksgiving, it would be I

1065
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,159
mean, I didn't even think this
was like a real question. Of course,

1066
01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:08,559
it's got to be stuffing, yes, and you kind of eschewed.

1067
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:14,679
I'll use that word late night.
Cranberry, cranberry sauce, cranberry dressing.

1068
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:16,840
I'm not a cranberry fan at all. It's disgusting to me. My oh

1069
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,199
my my son likes cranberry sauce.
I could I couldn't care less, not

1070
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:24,119
my thing. And then I asked
on the bet Us Show, could you,

1071
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,719
if if you had to, in
a pinch, prepare a turkey,

1072
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,960
cook it, buy directions and prepare
it. You were hesitant, you copped

1073
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,239
out and said Missus Rayfield could do
it. And I said, I'm not

1074
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:36,039
asking you about Missus Rayfield. I'm
asking you. Can the big fella come

1075
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:39,840
through in the contract? Like I
said, I could probably read the directions

1076
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,920
and figure out. I don't think
it would probably come out that good.

1077
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,320
It'd probably be like not quite the
frost, but enough. I don't know.

1078
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,559
I'd be better off going to going
to the restaurant, ordering it in

1079
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:50,320
the restaurant. But then I and
then I turned the tables and I asked

1080
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,480
my man TJ. I said,
no, I'm gonna ask you a question.

1081
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:57,239
On Thanksgiving? Is it either at
home with the family or do you

1082
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,960
go out? And in this case, we're going to my mother in law,

1083
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:01,880
one of the in laws later this
week for her home game, and

1084
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,639
she can cook, so she will
be dynamic with all the food. I

1085
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:10,119
look forward to that, the desserts, the whole bit. So everybody gorge

1086
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:13,280
yourselves, have a good time,
spend time with the family. And then

1087
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,559
we got fights. We got fights
for this weekend. We're looking forward to

1088
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:19,559
everything's gonna happen with that. For
us, we're a mixture. Sometimes we

1089
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:23,760
go and have the home cooked thing
and we go visit my mom and my

1090
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,000
sister, and then other times we
go out. This year, we're staying

1091
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:30,079
home and we're going out. Got
a we got a reservation. They make

1092
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:31,719
a wonderful dinner at the place we're
going. We've been there before for Thanksgiving.

1093
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,400
And then of course we watch some
football. We take care of all

1094
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,159
of that, and then we'll get
to the boxing as well with Benavidez and

1095
01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:42,480
Andrea pay per view, which is
a good pay per view with the undercard,

1096
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,719
etc. We're gonna be previewing that. Mister Rayphiel, have a good

1097
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:50,320
week. It's an interesting week because
a lot of school out of session all

1098
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,800
over the country, so it's kind
of a different week, vacation week,

1099
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,480
etc. We're gonna be right here, peeps. We're gonna be previewing going

1100
01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:00,760
into the weekend, recapping coming off
the weekend. Will be here for you

1101
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,760
just as well. Have Bike's got
plenty of boxing to cover because the pay

1102
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:08,719
per view, we got Katie Taylor's
rematch against Chantell Cameron coming up on the

1103
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:12,559
weekend that's over in Ireland. Those
are two pretty big fights, not to

1104
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:15,079
mention the undercard fights that are taking
place on the on the pay per view

1105
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:18,880
with the return of the Jamal Charlotte
after two plus years out of the ring.

1106
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,639
Some real matias in the title defense
at one hundred and forty pounds.

1107
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:26,519
Hector Luis Carcia in a title defense
at one hundred and thirty pounds. So

1108
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,519
you know, and I even go
so far to say on that scene November

1109
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:34,039
twenty fifth, we got the big
mega fight in South Africa, South Africa

1110
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:42,079
for the WBC Interim bridgerweight title.
You really did just add that at the

1111
01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:45,360
end of the That was sort of
good job, but you went you went

1112
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,079
there, all right. Listen,
have a good week, great stuff as

1113
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:50,119
always, Thank you Dan Rayfield.
We'll be reading you on your sub stack

1114
01:06:50,519 --> 01:06:54,679
and we appreciate the time here on
the Fight for EACHWU Night Recap pod.

1115
01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:58,679
Yes, sir, have a good
Thanksgiving there is Dan Rayfield. Everybody do

1116
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,719
have a good Thanksgiving. Be safe, especially with those that are traveling again.

1117
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,360
We'll get ready for Benavidez and Andre
coming later in the week. Make

1118
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,400
sure you're following or subscribing to this
podcast feed. We love it to take

1119
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,599
a Fight weekend podcast feed. I'm
merely TJ. Reed. If you've been

1120
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:14,119
listening to the fight for each to
night, reaked out