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It's either the sixth or seventh year
of me doing Monday and Tuesday nights

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at least from nine to midnight here
on the Nation station. And I am

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proud and humble to be welcomed back
again. And I hope you enjoy what

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we've got planned for you tonight.
To give you a little hints our first

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guests tonight was the first guest on
my very first nightcap. Here's a clue

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done out there with the bases loaded, the outfield deeping around toward right of

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the one oh. On the way
to the play, swan On Bright felt,

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yes, this one belongs to the
Reds. How many times in his

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long, illustrious career did he say
that? Marty Brennaman, the Hall of

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Famer, joins us in just moments
as we kick off the nightcap. Also,

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Jay Armstrong, my friends stand up
comedian, the vape King of Northern

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Kentucky, will be here. Dave
had he with an I report and the

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latest and the greatest, and what
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in social media and what the chat
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If you're not careful watch out.
Karen Cataline, a fan favorite and a

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favorite of mine, will join us
too, Opine, and we haven't to

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have a chance to chat for a
while, so I'm looking forward to that.

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The Furball, Andy Furman. And
also in just a little while from

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the state of Kentucky, the Commonwealth, wonderful lady with a finger on the

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pulse as the gubernatorial election is right
around the corner in Kentucky and her thoughts

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on the legislature and what's ahead and
the election coming up. Savannah Maddox on

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the slate for tonight's Nightcap, we'll
get underway with the Hall of Famer Marty

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Brennaman coming up next on seven hundred
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with this musical jam, don't you, Mike, Mike, Mike, the

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same way you want to start your
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like a morning buffet for your brain. I got the latest news, weather,

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traffic, sports, Wall Street updates, plus my one of a guime

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Mike McDonald fun. Let's all sing
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morning light, in the morning light. Tomorrow morning at five on seven,

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I've been in the morning. Hi, I'm doctor James Wright. Want mercury

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in your mouth, a right dental, a home before the break. Our

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first guest on this nightcap. It
was my very first guest on my very

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first night cap on seven hundred w
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and he is back with us tonight. He's been graciously enough to agree to

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give me a few minutes, give
us a few minutes. Marty brennaman Baseball

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Hall of Famer from the Ford See
Frick Wing of the Baseball Hall of Fame

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and your former voice of the Rids, and now a world traveler, taking

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more road trips than he did when
he was being paid for. I think,

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Marty, how are you? I'm
good, Gary Japp, Nice to

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be with you, and uh yeah, I would say, maybe not quite

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as much traveling as I used to
do, but the places I go in

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a general sort of way are much
more appealing than where I was traveling during

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baseball. Oh, you're telling me
now, now, where's your next trip?

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If you can divulge this, you're
getting ready to go on a next

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week. We're gonna sail out of
Boston up the New England coast and into

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Nova Scotia on a week long cruise. Now, that is one that is

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one good time of the year.
That is one destination that I would I

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would leave the country for. I've
always been kind of interested in the Maritimes

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and you know those northern Canadian provinces
out on the ocean, like Nova Scotia.

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So yeah, I could get along
with that. But no, that's

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that's better than a trip to Old
Candlestick, Parker, Chevez, Ravine or

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any of those other Burgh Pennsylvania,
Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Yeah,

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it's a little bit better than that. So what was what was the one

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redeeming If you could pick one redeeming
thing about Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, what would

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it have been one thing? Oh
boy, that's a great question. You

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know what. I'm at a lost
for words. I can't remember one redeeming

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feature that immediately comes to mind about
Pittsburgh. The ballpark. Well, the

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ballpark would be that's one of the
best ballparks in Major League Baseball. The

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locale of it across the river looking
in onto the Pittsburgh skyline. That that's

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one of the better ballparks in baseball. They did a great job building that

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park, and oftentimes location is everything, and their location is spectacular because you're

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looking at the skyline of Pittsburgh for
nightball games, which is pretty impressive.

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Now, did you fly into Pittsburgh
out of here or did you ever drive

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the drive to do a game in
Pittsburgh or a series? I think I

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think I drove once or twice,
whatever the cause was. I know I

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drove at least once into Pittsburgh when
we played there, and that was years

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ago. And the drive is,
uh, you know, the boy is

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a drive, boring drive from here
to Columbus and then over and the drive

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is nothing to write home about.
But most of the time we would fly

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in there without the question. The
Pennsylvania Interstate system, what there is of

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it, is awful with my limited
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So I guess now you're you're doing
all these things he said you can't

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let the grass grow under your feet. Is that is that Amanda's doing or

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you are doing? I know you
want to go to a lot of these

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places, but how much is she
prodding you to always be on the road

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traveling? This is what I want
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one time during a REDS broadcast years
ago that in a previous life Amanda had

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been the driving an eighteen wheel or
over the road as a vocation. And

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amazingly, there were people who took
me seriously. They thought I was being

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serious. But if there's such a
thing as you know, as a previous

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life, it would not surprise me
if I had access to information that would

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lead me to believe without any question
that that's what her occupation was. She

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loves to travel, she loves to
plan travel. She's the one that plans

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all these trips that we take,
and she'll sit for hours with her computer

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in front of her plotting, you
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to? In fact, we're planning
a trip now right now into into Switzerland

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and Germany next July. And she's
planning now because we're going to add to

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the trip. The trip is into
Switzerland, but we're going to add a

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week on to that to go to
Switzerland Germany rather, because Amanda was born

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on a military base in in Germany, and so we're going to go back

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and see the house that her mom
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in the service at the time and
she's making plans now to drive from Zurich

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to to Munich and to Berlin and
to Frankfurt, and she's in her element

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when she's doing all this stuff.
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the place where you were born,
you your place of oregy. Yeah,

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I like to say. You know, my wife and I took a trip

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two years ago to Mount Pleasant,
Iowa, of all places, and I

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told her we were going to Iowa
on our vacation. Said, Iowa,

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really, And I said, yeah, we have relatives there, we had

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a free place to stay. She
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of her life in Southeast Iowa.
And I just I instantly felt at home,

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even though I didn't live there longer
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and always had revives there folks there. But it was a great trip.

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But again, that's very important going
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I think that's cool. Correct,
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Well, just one more question about
traveling. Is part of your endorsement

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deal, do you get to take
lots of Laura's lean beef with you?

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No, that would not travel well
going to Europe as we have done.

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Twice already this summer, and when
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a hard time finding a cool or
with the staying power that would allow us

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to take Laura's lean beef with us
across the pond and the places that we

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traveled too. But that's a good
thought. We'll investigate that down the road

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and see if that's doable. Is
a Manda the cook or are you the

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cook? Marty? Oh, a
man, there's a cook. My specialty

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is grilling. I do a pretty
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and that's what I'm basically confined to. I love to do it,

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but I'm the chief cook and my
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But she makes She makes incredible liver
and onions with gravy, and I've never

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had anybody who did it as well
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So God bless her indeed every single
day. Marty Branham and our guest on

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the Nightcap here on seven d WLW. Let me ask you about the legalized

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sports betting which is now everywhere.
I mean, it's yes, ubiquitous across

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the country, with more and more
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you think that has changed the game, if at all, because there's always

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been betting, there's always been gambling
on professional sports and com sports, and

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now that it's out in the open, do you think this is better or

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do you think it's just too much? Well, I think it's I think

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the option of being in the open
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and illegal. I think it's always
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And obviously all these companies that are
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are spending multitudes of millions of dollars
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product and and such as that.
But in terms of whether or not it's

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changed the game as far as baseball
is concerned, and I watched a lot

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on TV this summer watching the Redge
play, I don't. I don't see

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it. I don't see any change
in the game. I don't think it's

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affected the way the game is being
played. I think the players and the

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game itself real that we can't allow
this to affect the game. And then

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let the betters, whoever they might
be, and how heavily they are into

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it, do what they have to
do now that they can do it.

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In front of God in the world. There may be those who disagree with

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me in terms of whether it's impacted
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when I say game, I include
football and basketball and what little I know

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of ice hockey and at all the
rest of them. But I you know,

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if you're going to legalize it,
then legalize it. And that's exactly

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what they've done. And even though
they're what you said, nineteen states now

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that have legalized it, I think
it's just a matter of time before more

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and more fallen into line, because
I was just thinking about the comparison between

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Ohio and Kentucky when Kentucky didn't have
it, in Ohio did, and the

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amount of money that probably the state
government in Kentucky have come to realize how

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it's negatively impacted their economy when you
know their people are betting in Ohio and

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taking that money out of what could
be Kentucky money. Sure, and so

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I think that's going to be the
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these states are going to ultimately vote
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it is or to make it legal
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baseball specifically, just with the history
of of gambling and baseball, and of

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course Pete Rose, and you look
at characters like Denny McClain and all the

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others who were involved in gambling while
they were playing the game. We're managing

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the game, and you think about
the relationship that started with the Black Socks

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series and that death penalty and Major
League Baseball for gambling, and now the

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NFL is having to come out with
new rules and regulations for players, you

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know, gambling on games and the
like. But there's always been a chance

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for gambling to influence the outcome of
games, especially illegal gambling when it was,

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you know, underneath the cover of
darkness. So I don't know that

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it's the optimum thing, but it
is certainly better, as you mentioned,

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to have it in the sunlight as
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the back rooms, in the dark. As far as gambling, people are,

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people are gonna gamble, people are
gonna gamble regardless. Yeah, I

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don't, I don't. I agree
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why we are where we are now, with these companies spending millions of dollars

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advertising on local television and radio and
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doing it because there always will be
people gambling. But I think I think

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as far and I can't answer for
football and the rest of them, but

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I think as far as baseball is
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hit home to players in our game
that if they're ever caught doing what Pete

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did, they stand a real good
chance of being banned for life. And

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I'm not conversing on what the particular
rules are might be that would involve NFL

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players or NBA players in basketball.
I can remember years ago when Paul Horning

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and Alex Carris were suspended I think
for one season, ye because they bet

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on NFL football games. This goes
way back, but that was the extent

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of it. They were allowed then
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in good standing of the National Football
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don't know whether I'm sorry from what
I saw in the NFL just this past

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weekend they came down with a ruling
and I think it's a two year suspension

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if you're caught, you know,
violating the regulations as it pertains to gambling

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and the like. Real quick,
Marty, I is it enough that this

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Red's team, this young Red's team
this year was fun to watch and exciting

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to watch or will the fans demand
playoffs next year? And should they?

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I think it was fun to watch. I think they were a very exciting

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young team to watch play baseball.
The way they round the bases and I

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think they led the league in stolen
bases. They were aggressive, they had

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great chemistry, they legitimately loved each
other, and let's face it, they

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were too young to realize what pressure
was all about. Now they've played through

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that, I think fans are going
to be fans. I think fans are

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going to expect two and twenty four
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three, and better would be making
the postseason. Nick Crawl and his baseball

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people, I think have some work
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can stand pat with this club and
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say, well, you know,
they one year under their belt, so

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they automatically are going to be better
next year. There are a lot of

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things that come into play that you
have no way of forecasting. So I

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think there are things they need to
do to tweak this club and make it

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a better club. But I definitely
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their expectations are going to be greater
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result of what this team did this
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don't think you can really deal away
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know, obviously don't have to pay
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have to pay a Joey Vado,
for example, And I think it's important

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for them to keep intact as many
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players, as possible, don't you, Oh yeah, I don't. I

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think there are certain in touchables among
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categorize from my perspective, I'd say
Matt McClain, Alie Dela Cruz, probably

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Spencer Steer for my money, in
not counting the pictures, but I think,

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I think that I think that there
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may not be here next year.
The easy route, although the more expensive

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route, would be to go out
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market, a veteran. My my
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Number one is to go out and
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picture. With a good track record, been around the block, knows what

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it's all about, has good help, and also has been a great influence

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on young players in the clubhouse,
specifically young pitchers. I think they need

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a veteran in that rotation. They
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youngsters. I just don't think that
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making the postseason. In our last
few seconds, Smarty Brennaman, just give

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me top of your head, instant
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done, yes or no? For
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Okay, all right, Marty Brennaman, have a wonderful trip with Amanda to

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Nova Scotia. That sounds wonderful,
and continue to enjoy life. You definitely

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deserve that opportunity now that you're Freda, Gary Jeff move about the room.

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You're a good man. I appreciate
the time and joy always being with you.

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Pal. Thank you so much that
Marty Brennaman on the first nightcap of

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the season, and we'll continue in
moments on seven joining us on the program.

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Now here in our first hour is
somebody that is You've been a great,

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great guest in the past, and
we were looking forward to the new

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fall season. And I saw her
over the weekend at receptions in Erlanger for

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the Northern Kentucky's Right to Life fifty
years celebration of Life, along with many

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many other people there. But always
a delight to have her at our disposal

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for great information about the machinations and
what's going on in the legislature in the

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Commonwealth of Kentucky. Savannah Mattocks from
the sixty first District, welcome back to

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the Nightcap. Well, thank you
day Josh. It's always a pleasure to

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be on and it was the first
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even though we felt like we knew
each other, you know from all of

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our conversations that we've had over the
telephone, but it was it was nice

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to meet you, and my wife
was really taken with you too as we

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sat there and enjoyed an incredible presentation
by Kristin Hawkins. I mean, it

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is so important for people to understand
the good work that you guys did in

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the legislature with in regards to reserving
and protecting life, especially the unborn in

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Kentucky, and that fight is going
on right now in the state of Ohio

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via a ballot issue that it will
be on the ballot in just a little

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over a month from now, issue
one, which basically would change the Ohio

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Constitution and say, yeah, abortions
on demand whenever you want, up until

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and including the moment of birth.
So which is pretty horrendous if you think

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about it. It's horrendous even if
you don't think about it. But just

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your thoughts on the presentation on Sunday, what do you think? Yeah,

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as a lawmaker, you know,
I've always considered it my foremost responsibility,

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you know, given that I believe
that the natural right to life, it's

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name ter protecting that, to stand
up and speak for those who can't yet

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speak for themselves. And I think
that post Row, we have entered into

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an era where it is not as
politically expedient for politicians to try to run

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on that issue or to garner support. So there's been a certain level of

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compromise and I am concerned about that, and I think it's more important than

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ever than we stand up and stand
firm on principle on that issue. Well,

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we have also now sports betting legal
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people are doing that. Where did
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was being debated and then voted on
Savannah. Yeah, So, you know,

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although I'm not someone who gambles myself, I don't think that it's the

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appropriate role of government to tell people
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they've earned. It's bad enough that
we're breaking in so much taxpayer dollars against

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citizens will I just didn't think it
was the proper role of government to say

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that you couldn't engage in that type
of activity. Although I, like I

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said, I don't choose the gable
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at my resources, but for other
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about protecting life, liberty, and
property, I don't see that that fits

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the bill. No, I would
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that there are people that we know
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We're still friends, but that's the
way it goes sometimes with these different Mariatta

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issues. And so the other elephant
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you about a little bit, if
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This is this is this is coming
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November seventh, Andy Basher running for
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the Attorney General. And it seems
to me like I just haven't heard a

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whole lot about this, uh,
this race at all. I get my

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flyers in the mailbox, and those
two absolutely no good for them wasting campaigns,

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wasting money on flyers for me.
I mean, obviously they don't know

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where I am. They haven't been
tracking me as much as I thought they

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were. But I mean, it's
a waste of money. I've already made

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up my mind. I am not
voting for a return of four years for

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the boy dictator is what I called
it. Many Bashir is strictly based on

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the COVID lockdowns and the mandates and
all of the restrictions of constitutional freedoms that

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he thought he had the power to
take away from the citizenry. So but

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I think a lot of people have
forgotten that now people have short term memory

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loss, don't you think. Well, normally I would say that all eyes

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are on the gubernatorial race, but
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has primarily been the political class that
has been engaging in discussions and robust conversations

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about this particular race, but you
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time, because you know, Kentucky
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that has that off year odd election, you know, being in twenty twenty

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three versus you know, when the
other races are taking place for Congress or

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their presidential race so forth, so
on our local races. But so I

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think maybe a little bit closer to
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our Attorney General, has had some
grounds to make up all along,

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because it's difficult to run against an
incumbent governor who you know, at one

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point inexplicably, unbelievably was the fifth
most popular governor in the nation. So

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I think that, you know,
ultimately, this has been a moment of

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you know, coming together in unification
for the political class side of the Republican

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Party to say, we've got to
get this job done. We've got to

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make up ground in the polls.
And I think that there's a lot going

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on at the macro level with the
Republican Party as well. We see what's

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happening in Washington, DC here just
a little bit of time, as far

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as I'm aware, they're going to
be taking a very significant vote with regard

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to the motion of actes the chair. And you know, issues that we've

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seen here in the Commonwealth as well. We have a growing supermajority that whenever

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I first came in, there were
only sixty one of us. Now there

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are eighty of us. So you
have a lot of Republicans, but you

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have various permutations of folks that may
see differently on issues. And you know,

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I have always kind of been somewhat
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myself to be a constitutional conservative,
and those are the folks I want to

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work with. Those are the voices
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it's going to be interesting to see
what we look like going into twenty twenty

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four, not just here in the
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with a supermajority, as you mentioned
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in the Kentucky legislature, Savannah does
the governor does who owns the governor's seat

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in Frankfort, How much does it
really matter? If you've got the supermajorities

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acting in concert, we have the
ability to override anything that the governor vetos.

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The two major areas that it matters
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That's bureaucracy of folks that are appointed
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are a part time legislature, they
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lives of Kentuckians. You know,
I am hopeful that if we manage to

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elect a Republican governor that they will
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a certain level of peril if we do

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manage to elect a Republican and they
become a rubber stamp for some of the

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bad ideas that's coming out of the
legislature. That that is a concern of

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mine, you know, on things
like tax reform proposals, and you know,

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other types of bills that have been
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such as red flag laws. If
we have a Republican governor that coalesces

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with that supermajority on key issues,
then you know, we could well set

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back to the constitutional conservative efforts by
ten years. So I think it's really

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important that we stick to our principles
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you've always been very very consistent about
that in every conversation you and I have

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had and the way you have acted
as a legislator in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

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And I appreciate your time on this
first nightcap of the fall season.

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All is a pleasure. Savannah Mattics
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Representatives in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
Thank you so much. That's Savannah Mattics

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on the Nightcap. Our friend Rocco
Costallano is next with suggestions to help Joe

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Burrow heal. Mike mcconald, here
was something for you to think about.

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If you miss my show, you
can listen to the Mike McConnell podcast on

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the iHeartRadio app and catch what you
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eat your foot, that foot's gone
forever. So take my advice, listen

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to the Mike McConnell podcast and stay
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As we continue, the Bengals thirty
first in offense in the NFL after four

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games, their defense giving up bo
way too many yards and Joe Burrows standing

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in the pocket like a statue because
of the ongoing calf injury, and it

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just doesn't seem to be getting better
as he continues to play on it,

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and to maybe have some some other
kind of answers or suggestions for Joe Burrow's

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rehab. We have our friend Rocco
Costaguano train was Roco dot com. He's

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a fitness expert of biohacker and and
he knows a lot about the body.

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So, Roco, what about Joe
Burrow's body more specifically is calf and what

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do you think is being done correctly
and what do you think is being done

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incorrectly as it comes to Joe Burrow's
health as a football quarterback for the Cincinnati

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Bengals. Well, I don't know
what they're doing actually, because it's it's

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obviously not getting better. So and
we deal with a lot of a different

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you know issues specifically a lower a
body at a Rizana Wellness and at Tremolock.

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We we are consistently looking at injuries
especially and you know, I would

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really want somebody else to be asking
our discustions or or I'm just gonna put

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it out there. Is this really
a Grade one calf strain? Or is

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it something else that the Bengals are
keeping from us? Because we paid Joe.

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We're paying Joe a lot of money
to be on that field. No,

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hold on, Rocco, are you
personally paying Joe a lot of money

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to be on that field? No, I'm not. But Joe, us

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as fans and us as a people
stand and when you buy a ticket,

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you're paying to see him actually play. So I would want him to be

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as healthy as a humanly possible,
and I want to know what they are

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specifically doing to hope to repair a
very simple I mean a grade one capstrain.

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Is it may be irritable, but
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And if he's not able to get
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or move forward, there's something they're
absolutely not doing. And you know,

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and there's so many innovative things.
I still think that the Bengals are back

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in the eighties and you you know, are using old technology and old techniques.

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Uh, when they're trying to fix
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fixed and this should have been done
really, you know at least okay,

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okay, weeks ago, Okay,
Yeah, that's what I was going to

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ask you, Rocco for eight Yeah, for a level one calf injury,

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calf strain. What would you be
doing at Rosanna wellness to resolve this?

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And you say it should have been
it should have been better, and he

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should have been one hundred percent two
weeks ago, what would you have done.

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Well, You'll never be one hundred
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to be one hundred per sect.
I'm not gonna you know, I'm not

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gonna say that he should be out
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yeah, yeah, I mean,
you know, he is your birth but

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he would be dancid or whatever,
right, And so I would first things

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first I wanted I would be I
would I would be pumping him full of

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of of a of a molecule called
a glutifying and a glutifying is is what's

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called the master antioxidant. So it's
it's it's what we produce in our bodies

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to repair cell damage, to repair
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that would be one of the first
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do. The second thing is that
I know that the Bengals don't have a

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PEMF a machine, a pulse electromagnetic
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the only one in the tri state
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have him down here every single day, probably twice a day, or or

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I would be going to him at
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and doing a PEMF and and then
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be doing a red light therapy every
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wearing it in a portable fashion.
Well, what was what is what hold

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on? What is red light therapy? So red light therapy, UH,

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depending on it's it's photo by io
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Depending on the wavelength that you're using, either either a red light or

407
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:17.000
near infrared. UH, it will
be going in a it can go up

408
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:23.920
to two point five centimeters to a
little bit more into the skin, into

409
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:34.079
the muscle, into the tissue,
and it literally helps to heal. We

410
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:43.320
don't allow ourselves enough light exposure.
So when you use a red light therapy

411
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:52.039
or or a nearer infred therapy,
it's it's going to help your collagen a

412
00:34:52.199 --> 00:35:00.599
production, so so a connective tissue
U. It helps with a blood circulation,

413
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:07.679
it helps to get a toxins out
of the area. So you know

414
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:15.039
there's there's innovative modalities out there PEMF. Uh you know, a red light

415
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:20.039
therapy. We have a cold plunge. You know, he could be doing

416
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:28.039
you know ice bes right, which
is going to help with with that inflammation,

417
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:34.159
with the healing. The PEMF does
the exact same stuff, and then

418
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:38.920
and then I would be doing a
compression. I would absolutely be doing We

419
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.639
don't, we do not know,
we don't. We don't have privy to

420
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:46.639
know if the Bengals medical staff are
doing all these things. But if they're

421
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:52.119
not, well, you heard it. He at least three of them.

422
00:35:52.480 --> 00:36:00.199
So I mean, let's let's get
let's let's get Joe Borrow healthy. Go

423
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:05.559
to train with Rocco dot com and
ask some pertinent questions. Reporters, ask

424
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:13.400
some questions. Rocco, thank you, Thank you, Rocco Costellano. On

425
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:17.400
the nightcap, we'll be right back
on seven hundred W l W LW and

426
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:23.880
really it wouldn't be tuesday. Our
next guest who has uh you know,

427
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:29.920
have been lightened up to radio dial
in and around Cincinnati now for a good

428
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.519
thirty forty years. I mean,
he's he's just too long to say it's

429
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:37.719
for too long. It's not for
too long. It's perfect and I what

430
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:38.599
do you say that if it's Tuesday, it's going to be me. I'm

431
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:42.960
always on Mondays with you. Now
it's Tuesday. First of all, you

432
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.679
don't even get it because I don't
know the list. How you work back

433
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:49.960
to back days in your life?
Well, I know the last time I

434
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.239
worked back to back days in my
life. It was before the red season,

435
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:58.239
right, you know, which which
has just concluded. Do you have

436
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:04.679
any final just kind of post mortems
on the baseball season that was in Cincinnati.

437
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.920
I mean, obviously they went over
two million fans in attendance, so

438
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:14.000
there were people at the ballpark,
they had other places to go, unlike

439
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:17.559
what Phil Castellini said, but people
still showed up because of the excitement of

440
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.119
the young talent and the fact that
this ball club was well not in the

441
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:27.840
playoffs, very very fun to watch. And you cannot deny that, Andy,

442
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.039
and the fact that this is a
Reds town, you know, being

443
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.519
a beginning to and and it's a
Reds town no matter what happens to the

444
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.920
Bengals ORFC Cincinnati or you see,
Zavid, this is a Reds town.

445
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:40.960
It's a baseball town, always has
been. Hell. Look, when you

446
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:46.199
have sad times, sour times,
downtimes. People don't go. It's tough.

447
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.800
You know, what's an expensive deal
to take a family to a ball

448
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:52.039
game. I don't care what ball
game you're going through. So you want

449
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.000
to see a good product. And
this year they put out a good product.

450
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:59.920
They were close, but no cigars. I talked to to Marty Brennaman

451
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.840
earlier tonight, Andy, and he
said it was so exciting, so fun

452
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.400
to watch he almost unretired. Do
you believe that? I don't believe that

453
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:12.400
for a minute. He loves retirement. Really, he says, what sign

454
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.239
out of the country than in the
country. I know. I just talked

455
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.360
to him earlier. He and he
and Amanda are going to Nova Scotia.

456
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:22.039
They're taking a cruise to Nova Scotia
next week. How about that. I'm

457
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.400
sure it's free, but that's okay. What do you mean you sure it's

458
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:29.320
free? But that's part of the
gift that he had when they retired,

459
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.119
that Marty Brennaman day thing at the
ballpark and a get like ten thousand dollars

460
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.559
worth of travel deals from some agency. I think he did. Oh,

461
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:40.559
they've they've exhausted, they've run through
that. Believe me as much as I

462
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:44.880
don't. I don't know as much
as they traveled. So when do you

463
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.599
think that you would retire anytime soon? Andy? I mean you're still You're

464
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.920
working like a dog at the Point
Arc and doing that wonderful work with that

465
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:59.719
great organization. You still yet he
got an op ed in the Cincinnati Inquirer

466
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:04.840
once in a while they still print
your stuff, and you got you got

467
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:08.960
one in too. Didn't you just
just today really want Kenny Anderson recently?

468
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.360
You know that he should be in
the Hall of Fame. Nah, you

469
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:14.760
know what. To me, it's
a hobby. I enjoyed doing that stuff.

470
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.039
I enjoyed work. You know what. I think that when you stopped

471
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:19.960
working, you become old. I
really believe that, and your brain turns

472
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.400
to mush. You know, I'm
fortunate. I'm lucky. I got my

473
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:27.960
sens I got. My mind is
still operating, and I think that as

474
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.599
long as you work is going to
operate. I enjoy doing it, but

475
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.920
I didn't like doing it. I
wouldn't continue working. I do some stories

476
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.000
with another Kentucky tribune. I got
the point. I write twice a week

477
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:38.880
with the Brooklyn Daily Eagle. So
I keep busy. I really do.

478
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.559
Maybe sometimes a little too busy,
but but I enjoy it. My days

479
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.360
go fast. I enjoyed getting up
in the morning knowing I got a list

480
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.840
of things to do. I love
that. Yeah, you told me earlier

481
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.599
before we started this conversation, when
we were just you know, hooking up,

482
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:57.960
that you were really tired. You've
been really busy, just really pounding

483
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:00.679
the boot up early today. You
know, I got up five thirty in

484
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:02.519
the morning, and uh, I
couldn't sleep. I had a whole lot

485
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:06.440
of things on my plate that I'm
running around and I think I'm tired because

486
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:07.559
I don't need anything yet today.
I just had a couple of coffee in

487
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:13.199
the morning. What what what keeps
Because I know you're kind of a nervous

488
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:16.159
guy. Sometimes you're kind of a
nervous nellie. Well, what what keeps

489
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:22.119
Andy Firman up at night? What
what makes you not get good sleep when

490
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.760
you don't having a bad meal?
Indigestion probably really more than anything. Acid

491
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:29.880
acid refluxes number one for me too. I'll wake up at you know,

492
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.559
at twelve thirty one o'clock in the
morning and just go, oh jeez.

493
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:36.840
And then I have said every once
in a while myself. But I have

494
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.280
something that just doesn't agree with me, Like I have about pizza late at

495
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.320
night. You know, something acidic
that'll get to me. Tomatoes get me.

496
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:46.960
Let's food like that late at night. It'll get me white castles late

497
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:50.920
and I love white castle but you
know, sometimes they get me. There

498
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.599
aren't any thoughts that race through your
head that keep you up and make you

499
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:59.360
I mean, do you ever do
you ever worry just about doing these conversations

500
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.199
with me? But because I know
they can be so taxing on your on

501
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:05.360
your personal You're the least of my
operation. Really, of everything else I

502
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:07.599
got going on my life, at
least you're the comic relief of my life.

503
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.079
You really are? You theausus?
So what am I are? You

504
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.639
made me relax? Let let me
reenact a scene from Good Fellows? What

505
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.559
do you mean you mean I'm a
clown to amuse you? What do I

506
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:21.280
do? Do I talk funny?
Do I dress funny? Uh? Do

507
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.800
I say funny things? No?
I mean he's great. You call me

508
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:29.239
you're coming. You're a comming influence
and I appreciate that, well, really

509
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.480
does. That's one of the nicest
things you've ever seen you bring up the

510
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.079
best and worst in me at times. Hey, and you know you know

511
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.440
how to push the buttons with me. And I appreciate that, I really

512
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.280
do, because you know how to
get me going. I'm sure you're going

513
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:44.039
to be that doing that in a
couple of minutes from now. Well,

514
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.400
there was there was one thing you
said you wanted to talk about, but

515
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:54.159
then there was also the you suggested
or sent as submitted an editorial to the

516
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:58.559
inquiry. Do you want to talk
about that at all? About Joe Burrow?

517
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:00.039
I want people to read it.
We could talk about it if there

518
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.920
it gets in print. You know, that's a tease. You know,

519
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.079
why would I tell him? Now, let's tease a little bit. Uh.

520
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.599
It's about him being the average Joe. And you don't think, Yeah,

521
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.360
you know what's funny. I was
driving my wife and I were at

522
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:19.039
a wedding on Sunday and Billini was
a whole. It was like near Tips

523
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:22.559
City, Ohio, one hundred miles
round trip. So on the way back

524
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:27.480
on seventy five south around West chest
that we passed a Kroger billboard and it

525
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.519
says I'm not the average Joe.
That was a picture of Joe Burrow and

526
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:35.559
boom the lightm off my head is
that's that's tremendous. That's gonna be something

527
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:37.960
I'm gonna write about. Because you're
right, he's not the average jo I

528
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.599
wish he was. I wish this
year he was average. He's below average.

529
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:44.760
And so I got myself kind of
rittled up and I put some stuff

530
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.119
together, set it out to the
inquirer, and I think it will the

531
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:51.000
end before Sunday, before the game
on Sunday, my friend Rocco Costallano,

532
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.360
who was just on last half hour
Andy uh Or in the nine o'clock hour,

533
00:42:54.480 --> 00:43:00.400
he he thinks that the Bengals training
staff must be not doing the things

534
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.199
to get him prepared well. He
would say that because wants everybody to come

535
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:05.320
to his place. I get it, you know, I mean, he's

536
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:10.719
promoted. I understand. But but
he suggested specific things that he thinks they

537
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:15.760
should be doing. Because a level
one, tell me, tell me one

538
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:17.800
thing that he said they should be
done. I want to hit this red

539
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:23.000
is genius. I want to hit
this red light therapy. Also, there

540
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:29.159
was a certain molecule he suggested that
he don't he doesn't think that they're giving

541
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:34.280
him because he said that if it's
not legal, if he know it's legal,

542
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.159
if he was in charge, If
he was in charge, Joe Burrow

543
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.960
would have been better two weeks ago, and he's obviously not better. Yes,

544
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.599
you know what, though it's great
to say that to a radio one

545
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.280
is let him get on the phone
and talk to the training stead Let him

546
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.159
talk to you know, really,
if he feels that strongly about it,

547
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:53.880
he could be a savior to the
community. Think about that, well,

548
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:58.039
well, everybody, we want it, we put it out. We put

549
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:01.119
it out there in the interview train
with Roco dot Com. The Bengals should

550
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:05.000
contact him. Maybe no, no, no, it doesn't work that way.

551
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.199
See if he's no, if he's
the cure, all he gets on

552
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:12.519
the horn and say, look,
I think you need to see me for

553
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.239
fifteen twenty minutes. Let me have
an audience with you. I could get

554
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.880
this guy back in shape. That's
They're not gonna call him. They got

555
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.840
paid professionals with trainers over there,
okay, and medical people. But if

556
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:27.039
he feels that strongly, get on
the phone and dollar Bengals office and there's

557
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.360
for the training stip. Well,
Betty hit go down there to a practice.

558
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:32.960
As I say, he could be
a savior to this city because people

559
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.039
are wondering and hoping that Joe burrow
A is healthy and be playing against Arizona

560
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:43.679
Sunday. Andy Furman, let me
know and let us know what you think

561
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:47.159
so far of the NFL season.
Let's let's set the Bengals aside for a

562
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:51.679
moment. It's hard to do because
we're right here in the middle of ground

563
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:54.840
orange and black zero. But let's
let's set that aside. What have you

564
00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:00.159
seen so far in the National Football
League this year? Ye? That tells

565
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:07.239
you this team they really got it
and this team no way. It's funny

566
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.519
you mentioned that, because I think
it's easy to say that week by week

567
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:14.840
and then it changes week by week. And that's why the NFL is such

568
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:16.840
a great game. It's like a
soap opera, is balanced. Why do

569
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:21.639
I say that? That goes two
weeks ago, Miami drops seventy points on

570
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:24.599
Denver, and this Sunday they lose
to Buffalo forty eight twenty and Denver,

571
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:30.280
I mean, I thought everybody thought
Miami was the end all because all all

572
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.440
of them Miami's gonna win it all, and then Buffalo hands it to him

573
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:37.599
on Sunday, so you just don't
know what it's Basically, it's really great.

574
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.639
I'll look at the Minnesota Vikings,
a playoff team of a year ago.

575
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:45.119
They're one three and basically they've lost, you know, basically every game

576
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.639
by six points or less. Kirk
Cousins and more than that, Kirk Cousins

577
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:52.400
leading the Lincoln passing. It's crazy, it really is. It is incredible

578
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:57.760
the Bears. How much how bad
must the Bears be to get walloped by

579
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:06.000
the Broncos After the Broncos got beat
by fifty against the Dolphins this season,

580
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.000
see that Arizona the team that Bengals
are playing on Sunday, that's the team

581
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.199
that's gonna dump for a quarterback in
the draft. Arizona comes out beats Dallas,

582
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:16.239
and now the worst team in the
league has to be the Chicago Bears

583
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:22.239
Denver. The Bears are obviously all
The last great quarterback on the Chicago Bears

584
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:30.159
probably was Sid Luckman. Look it
up, Sid Luckman. You give me

585
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:36.559
Sid Luckman, amazing. I will
give you. I'll take your I'll see

586
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:40.519
your Sid Luckman, and I will
go to another team and I will raise

587
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.639
you A C. J. Stroud
how impressive has he been so far?

588
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:46.960
Very much so, I tell you, one of the up and comers,

589
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:51.280
one of the top quarterbacks that have
coming early on and made an impression.

590
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.880
I think he's he's got something cooking
over there here, really does you know?

591
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:59.079
It's kind of crazy what we're seeing. And again the big disappointment.

592
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.480
And I saw Monday I was a
quarterback of the New York Giants. They

593
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:05.400
gave him a big cutch chunk of
money and he hasn't done anything. Obviously,

594
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.119
no protection. He was sacked like
eleven times Monday night. But still

595
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:12.599
at all. I mean, Daniel
Jones is not the guy. I mean,

596
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.320
the city of New York is in
a quarterback frenzy. They got Zach

597
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:21.079
Zach over there with the Jets and
Daniel Jills of the Giants. Yeah,

598
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:22.000
and they just can't get it done. But I will pay you this.

599
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:27.559
He played very well against the Kansas
City Chiefs and they probably should have won

600
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:31.079
that game for sake of a fumble
at the end by Zach Wilson. But

601
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.880
you know what people say, all
of a sudden, how comes that played

602
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.039
so great? How come we did
so well against the Kansas City Chiefs?

603
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.960
You know, My feeling is on
that, my own personal take on this

604
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:45.079
game, that Aaron Rodgers was brought
back to call the plays. Aaron Rodgers

605
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:50.320
called the plays in that game because
Zach Wilson. Okay, because Nathaniel Hackett

606
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.039
can't hack it. Okay, get
it. He's the offensive coordinator, the

607
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.760
coach who was fired in Denver.
List. Yeah, he couldn't hack it

608
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:59.960
there. He can't hack it in
the Jets. They bring Aaron Rodgers back

609
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.440
on crutches. He's up in the
boot by himself. Colon placed to Zach

610
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:07.599
Wilson, speaking of Zach's and let's
go back to the Bengals for a moment.

611
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.599
Should Zach Taylor actually be calling place
for the Bengals at this point?

612
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:15.280
Well, I mean, you know, when you win, no one says

613
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.760
anything. When you lose, you're
you're you're a target. And I think

614
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:23.639
that right now, Zach, Zach
Taylor has to adjust his play calling to

615
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:29.920
an immobile quarterback. I mean,
obviously the defenses right now and budding at,

616
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.639
chomping at the bit, knowing that
that Joe can't move. He can,

617
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.199
he's stationary in the pocket. See'll
load up the defensive line, you

618
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.960
rush the guy your blitz blitz blitz, you can't run, and that's what

619
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.679
It puts a lot of pressure on
the Bengals defense as well. So you

620
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:49.199
know, he's got to come up
with some sort of a scheme that maybe

621
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:52.280
screenplays, maybe some screens. I
don't know. I don't stay up like

622
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:57.400
these guys do. I'm not the
so called offensive geniuses that they claim to

623
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.000
be. We'll see. The pressure
really right now is on Zach Taylor and

624
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:04.039
a step not on Joe Parole,
because you know, Joe Parrel has an

625
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:08.639
excuse he's and let me let me
go back to the Jets Chiefs game,

626
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:14.079
which of course you know I'm a
Kansas City Chiefs fan that that quarterback is

627
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:20.519
my Mahomy And so anyway, they
have the ball at the end, Mahomes

628
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.719
rushes for the first down and he
slides just short of the goal line.

629
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:29.679
Somebody told me that that's absolutely a
bookie move, that was a bet move.

630
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.079
I said, well, no,
I mean he gets the first down.

631
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:35.440
The Jets don't have any timeouts.
They can they can just run the

632
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:39.599
clock. But but that's a lot
of a lot of people with gambling.

633
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:45.239
A lot of people said that that
Patrick Mahomes moved the slide short of the

634
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:51.519
goal line when he could have scored
the touchdown. Was all about Vegas,

635
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:55.480
about gambling. It was a thirteen
million dollars move. Somebody told me,

636
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.920
well, and you know what,
the people who told you that gambles,

637
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:00.920
you know, and that's they think. I mean when I see that,

638
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.239
I say, hey, the genius
move. Run the clock. They have

639
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.360
no timeouts left. It's a football
move, not a gambling move. However,

640
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:12.119
that is the danger of guys that
may be dropping a pass at the

641
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:14.599
end of the game that should have
been caught that could be a touchdown.

642
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:20.440
That's the danger of inventing or permitting
gambling to get involved in sports. You

643
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.239
could have hurt the credibility at times. Give me the examples. Two weeks

644
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:27.000
ago, I think it was the
year Rams and I forgetting who they were

645
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:30.079
playing. They went for a field
goal and they were still way at it.

646
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:32.639
It was like no time to go. Remember that game. They went

647
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:36.719
for a field goal at the end
of the game, and they said they

648
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:40.800
covered by making that field goal and
had no reason to go for a field

649
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.800
goal at no time left on the
clock, right, no time left on

650
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:47.559
the clock. That couldn't have won
the game, or that there was changed

651
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:52.119
to spread and and really that was
a gambling move. That's that's what it

652
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.840
was. It had to be right, sure, But but and I had

653
00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:00.960
this discussion with Marty earlier. Marty
Brennaman was on the show. I'm name

654
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:06.360
dropping now, but I had this
discussion with Marty and and he said,

655
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.079
no, it's it's better to have
it out in the open now that gambling

656
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:15.559
is legal, because gambling is always
played a role in the NFL, especially

657
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:19.320
Andy. You know that if you
if you're not going to admit that,

658
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.440
then you've either got your head in
the sand or you're part of the cabal

659
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:27.679
that is that is changing the outcome
of games for gamblers, even if you're

660
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.519
not gambling. I mean, you're
exactly right, you know. And football

661
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:35.719
is the perfect game a game it's
perfect, I mean the way it's set

662
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.079
up, the way the points are. I mean, it's very difficult to

663
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:42.840
bet on baseball, although people have
done that, obviously, difficult to bet

664
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.280
on basketball, it's not too bad. Hockey's ridiculous. But football is the

665
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:51.280
perfect gambling game. Yep, no
no question about that. I mean,

666
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.039
so you don't gamble at all.
Right, Well, I weren't the race

667
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.119
trucks on my life and I only
have a place to bet. I just

668
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:00.119
looked at it as a sport and
try to promote it in that as.

669
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:01.639
I never got caught up in that. It never really interests me. It

670
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:07.599
really didn't. You want to talk
about sports that are dirty with gambling.

671
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:12.639
I mean the horse racing is used
to be exhibited a number one. Well,

672
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.559
I would tell you this because I
think any sport that has gambling involved

673
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:19.679
with it is somewhat shady. It
has to be. There are people in

674
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.159
there that look for shortcuts or whatever. Well, look the good news.

675
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.239
If these players make so much money, I don't think a gambler could get

676
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:29.280
to that. I really don't.
But what happened in the NBA several years

677
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.880
ago when when some of those referees
were gambling. Right, it's just a

678
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:35.719
question. If you can get to
somebody and give them the right amount of

679
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.920
money, they're gonna do it.
That's what it does. Money changes everything.

680
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:43.679
Cindy Lawper said that, Andy,
I'm quoting Cindy lawser Wait, it

681
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:47.440
didn't change Taylor Swift. Didn't didn't
change Taylor Swift because no think about this.

682
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:51.960
I mean, now Taylor Swift is
getting involved, you know, really

683
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.760
it hurts me. The NFL doesn't
need Taylor Swift. The NFL could stin

684
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:58.760
out its own two feet. It's
the most popular sport in the world.

685
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.719
I don't care what they say about
soccer in Europe. The NFL is king.

686
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:06.960
Okay, So she aligns herself with
the NFL and Travis Kelsey's good for

687
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:08.960
her. They don't need her,
right, it's a it's a bad move.

688
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:10.760
Now. If you really want that, to be smart and be a

689
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.320
hero, Taylor, you know you
should have done align yourself Amazing League Baseball.

690
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:17.599
They could have used you. I
wonder how many Swifties would have gone

691
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:22.480
to baseball to see her. Andy, I don't I don't think. I

692
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:24.880
don't think it has anything to do
with her trying to take over the NFL

693
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:30.320
or prop the it's the heart wants
what the heart wants. Oh, Travis,

694
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:37.199
Ty's too stupid to realize that the
Taylor Swift is using them. Really

695
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:42.440
on, Travis, wake up,
she's using you. I think that's a

696
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:45.280
good place to stuff Andy. Thank
you very much. Is always the fur

697
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:52.480
ball on the night. Jeff Gods, God bless you seven hundred WLW with

698
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:58.000
inflation compensation, you could knocking for
the fall season on seven hundred w l

699
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:02.039
W. I'm Gary Jeff Walker.
I will be guiding you around in this

700
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:07.199
next half hour with one of our
favorite guests of all time, a lady

701
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:12.880
who I first came to know as
someone who was spouting off. And you

702
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.840
know what, that hasn't changed over
the years, because she still is,

703
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:20.519
and tonight she's going to spout off
with us. A talk show host,

704
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:25.840
a thinker, a patriot. Karen
Cataline joins in on the nightcap. How

705
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.079
you doing kk, I'm doing good, I might add, my husband would

706
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:37.440
add a royal Paine in the bloomin
I've got. I have a friend of

707
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:42.280
mine and I know he and his
wife, and I'll always ask him,

708
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.639
usually it's at the bar. I'll
say, hey, Kyle, has Nicole

709
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:52.400
meaner than a rattlesnake. That's what
he always That's how he always responds when

710
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:57.880
I ask how his wife is doing. So I understand, So we'll start.

711
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:02.679
We'll start in the lighthearted front reel
real quickly with some borrowed material from

712
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:07.760
the uh from one of my favorite
websites, the Babylon Bee. We've talked

713
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:13.760
about this before, and the latest
headline. Here are the only twenty times

714
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:19.840
it's it's acceptable for a man to
cry. They start with when you're a

715
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.079
soldier in the Civil War and your
leg gets blown off by a cannonball.

716
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:30.400
It's okay. Here, here's sure, it's okay to cry. Here's here's

717
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:36.159
something that a lot of men will
relate to. When you manage to mow

718
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:43.639
your lawn and perfectly straight diagonal lines. Uh, and see you you've gotta

719
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:50.519
you've gotta have the mowing gene.
You've got to understand the mowing gene.

720
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.360
A perfectly mowed lawn for a man
who is doing it is is something that

721
00:55:54.480 --> 00:56:00.599
can bring a lot of men to
tears. Oh, he's crying out of

722
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:05.320
happiness. Yes, that's right,
that's right. Okay, when a when

723
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.760
a toddler just performed a double knee
drop from the arm of the couch onto

724
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:17.079
your groin, it's okay to cry. My dog does that, but for

725
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:23.760
different reasons. Yep, he jumps
on my lap and he just doesn't know

726
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:30.199
his size. He doesn't understand that
we have bones, and yes, exactly.

727
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:37.199
At the Vietnam or World War Two
memorials I would agree that's that's definitely

728
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:43.159
permissible if for a man to cry, Yeah, and there was there was

729
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:46.039
something. This is one this I'll
end with this because this is funny,

730
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:51.079
that part in the Notebook when Ali
comes back to Noah for just a few

731
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:53.440
fleeting moments and everything's back to normal
for far too short a time, and

732
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:58.800
then Ali relapses and then they die
holding hands. Ha ha, just kidding.

733
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.199
This one was a test. You
cried during the Notebook you are gay?

734
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.880
I love that. That is a
certifiable chick flick, no doubt about

735
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:15.320
it. So should Kevin McCarthy be
ousted from his speakership? They certain they

736
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:22.519
certainly are looking like they're they're poised
to do it. Do you think it

737
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.079
will happen? I would be shocked
if it did. I mean, look

738
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:29.400
at how hard they work to keep
them in there, and now all of

739
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:32.039
a sudden, Yeah, I think
they're gonna go after Matt Gates more than

740
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:37.039
they'll go after Kevin McCarthy. Yeah. Then I'm lousy at telling the future,

741
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:38.920
so I don't know. There you
go. We can all read the

742
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:45.679
tea leaves, just it's different tea
sometimes. And it's such a show,

743
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:52.519
isn't it mean, it is every
show, everything for our consumption. We're

744
00:57:52.599 --> 00:58:00.280
being fed. I have a new
verb for you, two hoax. It's

745
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:04.599
not just a hoax, it's two
hoax. It is an active verb.

746
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:10.280
Like, for example, the entire
Republican debate, in my opinion, is

747
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:15.800
a hoax. It's ridiculous. It's
a bizarre little hoax, and but it

748
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:22.920
is. It is an ongoing hoax. May I just sort of wax philosophy.

749
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.519
Absolutely, that's what you're here for. Okay, go ahead. Well,

750
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.960
I had to write this out because
it was a little bit convoluted or

751
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:37.039
intricate or whatever three syllable word you
want to convolute to. That's a force

752
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:43.079
syllable word. I think what bothers
me most about the debates, for example,

753
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:49.760
is that the establishment and the elites
are pretending that there is wide opposition

754
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:57.480
to Trump on the right and overtly
promoting opposition to Trump also while pretending there

755
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:02.840
is no opposition to Biden on the
last and overtly suppressing that. That's what

756
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:07.840
bothers me. It is not real. It is a hoax. Well,

757
00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:15.519
just as the whole government shutdown was
a hoax ally and the lead up to

758
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:20.440
it. Yeah, I was talking
about this yesterday, I said in for

759
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:24.800
Willie on the Bill Cunningham Show here, but I was talking about this obvious

760
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:30.800
political theater, and the can kickers
keep on doing it and trying to convince

761
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:35.599
the American people that they're just they're
working as hard as they can to keep

762
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:39.719
the government functioning and to work for
us and to effectively be stewards of our

763
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:45.760
tax dollars. And then they pull
this stunt every single time at the end

764
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:49.519
of every fiscal year. It's you're
getting ready to drop off the cliff,

765
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:53.719
and they wait until midnight, until
it strikes midnight. Sometimes, you know,

766
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:59.719
they do this hoax shutdown of the
federal government, which, by the

767
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:02.880
way, do they ever talk about
how they're not going to get paid,

768
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:09.000
the senators and the House members are
not going to get paid with the government

769
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:12.800
shutdown. They never talk about that. They talk about the t SA,

770
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:16.239
they talk about bus service, they
talk about i mean, for kids and

771
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:22.880
parents. They talk about things that
they think we're going to care about,

772
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:28.559
like keeping the national parks open and
all these other myriad of things, you

773
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:32.440
mean, like Obama did in this
term, trying to let us know how

774
01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:37.239
desperate we need the government you know, to keep a public park open.

775
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:43.960
It's as if Hollywood wrote this script
every year, isn't it. It's as

776
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:47.199
if Hollywood wrote it. But the
fact that people keep buying it is what's

777
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:52.199
amazing to me. Yeah, And
you know what, how do we know

778
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.280
people are buying it when the media, which lies and as part of the

779
01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:01.679
hoax, wants us to believe that
the public is more gullible than they actually

780
01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:08.079
are. I would submit that the
biggest reason for the government shutdown every year

781
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:15.800
is to try to drum into people's
heads that we desperately need the government now.

782
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:21.159
Sperately. We must have them and
life will be miserable without them.

783
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:27.920
Most people who have watched this government
and many others down through the years.

784
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:30.599
And you know what about like Will
Rogers said in a hundred years ago,

785
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:37.480
are cheering in hopes that the government
would shut down for a day. But

786
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:42.480
they never do. They never ever
do. They never leave us alone,

787
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.519
is what it is. And they
don't want to leave us alone. And

788
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:49.719
the giant, bloated bureaucracies, the
obese bureaucracies that are a part of our

789
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:57.880
government, and these unelected appointed people
in the Department of Education never feel any

790
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:04.360
kind of never feel any kind of
pain from a possible government shut down.

791
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:09.960
They keep these obsolete, unnecessary agencies
open. They're never threatened with. Well,

792
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:14.559
the Department of Energy will shut down
tonight at midnight if the government is

793
01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:19.119
not fully funded by Congress or with
the Continuing Resolution, and of course that

794
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:23.719
never happens. All of the things
that are really really useless and shouldn't be

795
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:29.440
there in the first place, they
go on operating and functioning just as they

796
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:36.360
had before. Every time they're called
essential, they're not essentials. The most

797
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:44.400
worthless of government agencies are the ones
that are called essential, right, that's

798
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:49.400
part of the homes it's a burb. Yeah, the Department of Transportation,

799
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:55.519
I mean we had a fully functioning, fully funded Department of Transportation. Why

800
01:02:55.960 --> 01:03:02.320
when the train derailed in East Palestine, Ohio and polluted an entire town and

801
01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:08.599
surrounding neighborhoods, and you know it
took a pothole, Pete how long to

802
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:14.719
just get out there, and Joe
Biden every actually never showed up when they

803
01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:19.039
were these people were clamoring and worried
about the health of them and their children

804
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:23.599
in their town. But the Department
of Transportation, which oversees such things.

805
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:29.440
Was totally useless, and it was
a great It was a great chance for

806
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:37.239
people to have the spotlight shined on
how absolutely useless these government agencies and departments

807
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:45.280
are. Touche and where were Where
was the left? That was such an

808
01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:53.519
atrocity. It's it was Taylor made
for the flagship issue for the left right,

809
01:03:54.239 --> 01:04:02.039
the environment, you know, keeping
things. Hey remember that weird movie

810
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:08.440
which I don't know if I saw
all of with with Julia Roberts, where

811
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:14.719
she played that person environmental stuff,
right, this is their issue and yet

812
01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:24.599
that's it. Thank you very much
for my little brain birth there. And

813
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:30.840
yet they ignored it completely. They
and the media ignored it completely. You

814
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:33.000
would have thought that they would have
been jumping up and down. Same thing

815
01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:40.199
with the fires in Hawaii. Yes, that's an environmental disaster. And these

816
01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:47.000
environmental disasters by the environmental activists suddenly
don't seem to care. May I say

817
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:53.960
make another example? Yes, please? Where is Cindy Sheehan on the Ukrainian

818
01:04:54.039 --> 01:05:00.639
War? It's an excellent question any
her anybody heard at all we I mean

819
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:04.800
all of it. She was camping
out on George W. Bush's doorstep,

820
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:11.519
and believe me. I have absolutely
no love for George W. Bush or

821
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:17.199
the Bushes in general. They have
been exposed to be the turncoats that they

822
01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:21.880
really always were. The radical left
was more right about them than they knew.

823
01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:30.320
Now suddenly there isn't one anti war
activist. In fact, all of

824
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:33.719
a sudden, the Democrat Party are
war activists. How did that happen?

825
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:42.159
Well, because Vladimir Putin is the
most evil person ever ever on the face

826
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:45.599
of the earth, and he must
be defeated at any cost, and the

827
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:50.000
cost is coming from all of us. It is it's the same, it's

828
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:57.320
the same industrial military complex that Dwight
D. Eisenhower warned us about because he

829
01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:00.480
saw it coming. That was another
conspiracy theory that came true, wasn't it.

830
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.880
Oh yeah, we used to say, you know, he was kind

831
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:09.159
of a conspiracy theorist, but maybe
he wasn't. No, No, he

832
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:15.119
was not. And I wish somebody
would have warned us about the pharmaceutical medical

833
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:18.840
industrial complex. Well do you remember
once upon a time, not that many

834
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:25.880
years ago, when the left was
talking about big pharma. They were,

835
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:33.079
in fact, they were talking about
Remember this, this seems like ancient history.

836
01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:38.880
When the left was screaming and jumping
up and down about how the big

837
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:45.119
box stores were eating up the mom
and pop stores, and they hated Walmart

838
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:51.199
until they didn't. They hated all
the big box stars until they didn't.

839
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:57.480
They were jumping up and down.
This my favorite one about keeping America beautiful

840
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:02.360
and littering and the environment. Now, it's perfectly okay. I ain't been

841
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:10.840
encouraged to camp up on the street
crash your city. You kind of broke

842
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:14.159
up there, your your phone signal
kind of broke up. Oh sorry,

843
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.840
that's okay. It was so good. Well, we'll say it perfectly.

844
01:07:17.320 --> 01:07:24.360
Say it again, say it again. It's perfectly okay to trash your city,

845
01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:28.719
live in a tent, destroy the
city, and poop on the sidewalk.

846
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:30.519
The poop on the sidewalk was the
Kuda gras. That's what I was

847
01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:35.719
waiting for. So anyway, you're
right, you're absolutely right, and that's

848
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:41.920
okay. It was okay while they
were they're trying to force everybody in America

849
01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:45.159
to wear masks to protect us against
something that mass didn't protect you from.

850
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:51.519
But when the Antiva and the Black
Lives Matter protesters were burning cities and rioting,

851
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:56.760
and they weren't wearing masks. It
was it was for a greater cause.

852
01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:01.159
So it's okay, well except that
they they gave them cover to wear

853
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:06.519
masks, because, after all,
who is it that traditionally have always worn

854
01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:12.400
masks in society, even back to
the Old West when they used to bandan

855
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:16.880
over their criminal it was criminals,
but criminals who didn't want to be identified.

856
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:25.119
So, you know, everything is
upside down and backwards today, and

857
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:30.119
I think among those things that are
upside down and backwards is the fact that

858
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:34.399
a greater and greater number of people
aren't getting it and understanding what's going on.

859
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:40.119
That doesn't mean everybody, it's never
everybody, but the illusion, I'm

860
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:45.560
just starting to realize this, the
illusion that the public is going along with

861
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:50.680
this and these dictators are not governing
against the will of the people, is

862
01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:59.279
getting harder and harder to justify.
You can talk to just about almost anybody

863
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:05.479
except the people will that fancy themselves
fair minded because they watch MSNBC and Fox

864
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:10.800
News at the same time, or
they watch them bosa they think, oh,

865
01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:15.720
well, I'm an independent, I
got both sides of the story.

866
01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:21.720
But in fact, I think people
are watching this that doesn't mean, it's

867
01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:28.039
going to turn around by that alone. But have you ever in your life

868
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:38.239
seen anything more brazenly unfair as using
lawfare to quadruplely indict your political opponent and

869
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:42.079
keep them off the ballot. As
Tucker Carlson said, that's the whole plan.

870
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:45.640
Even if it's the dumbest case in
the world, which they are,

871
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:51.319
it won't matter because you know it's
it's a great paradox. None of this

872
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:55.560
world, none of this, none
of this is about putting Donald Trump in

873
01:09:55.720 --> 01:10:00.600
jail. This is about keeping off
the campaign trail and bankrupting him if they

874
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:04.880
can bankrupting him, but also smearing
him and making sure and keeping him off

875
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:10.520
the ballot. And people who think
that's not their intent should realize that there

876
01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:15.199
are people activists in many of the
states already mostly leftist states, sadly like

877
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:20.119
Colorado, in which people are working
to do just that to keep him off

878
01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:25.079
the ballot. Now, mind you, he hasn't been convicted of anything,

879
01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:30.640
but they're already being proactive to keep
him off the ballot with the wrap around

880
01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:33.720
smear that they already created, which
was to indict him, and so they

881
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:38.880
could say, see he's indicted,
he doesn't need to be on the ballot.

882
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:45.079
I mean unless yeah, go ahead, finished finish, unless you are

883
01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:49.720
mentally ill, you would have to
find a way to justify what I just

884
01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:53.920
said that that's perfectly legit, go
ahead. Well, it was nice to

885
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:58.039
see the Supreme Court just kind of
saying now we're not going to hear this

886
01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:01.239
case filed by Castro who was trying
to keep Donald Trump off the ballot New

887
01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:08.319
Hampshire. Uh that that happened yesterday, so uh, there's still there's still

888
01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:12.920
the Supreme Court. Thank god.
You know, Gary Jeff, it's just

889
01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:19.920
astonishing that they can charge their political
opponent with election interference while they go about

890
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:26.479
interfering with an election. Yes,
I know. I mean if it worked

891
01:11:26.600 --> 01:11:31.239
so sad, it would be hilarious. Well, let's Karen, let's close

892
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:34.479
with this. Karen Cataline, our
guest on the Nightcap again, thank you,

893
01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:40.600
dear. Uh you mentioned the word
dictator earlier. Is is that a

894
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:48.720
misshapen potato? I'm glad I gave
you an opportunity to do that. Okay,

895
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:54.800
thanks dame, love you, thank
you. Take care. It's Karen

896
01:11:54.880 --> 01:12:00.239
Cataline with us on the Nightcap on
seven h WLW want to hear something ry,

897
01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:02.800
the amount of dust, pet hair, and allergens creeping in your are

898
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:09.640
It's another hour of the Nightcap here
on seven hundred WLWV. First of twenty

899
01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:15.119
twenty three's fall season. Gary Jeff
Back with Jeff and back with Us has

900
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:18.920
been a favorite of mine, a
favorite of this program, a favorite of

901
01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:23.840
many of yours for a long long
time, and he rejoins us as the

902
01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:29.199
new season starts. The vate King
of Northern Kentucky stand up comedian, father,

903
01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:34.319
husband and friend Jay Armstrong. How
you doing. Oh, I'm doing

904
01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:39.079
fantastic, Gary Jeff. How are
you good? Good? Good good.

905
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:46.239
I'm just I'm getting into this mode
again where I'm not bartending as much,

906
01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:49.800
which believe me, I'm I'm happy
about, and doing more radio, which

907
01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:54.119
I'm very happy about. So yeah, I mean, it's just that the

908
01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:59.600
change from the seasonal jobs that I've
been doing just to make make ends meet

909
01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:03.800
and keep a roof over my head
to now doing something that I have wanted

910
01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:08.560
to do and I've been doing for
a long long time. So it's it's

911
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:11.560
a good It's a good day.
Good day. Listen, it sounds like

912
01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:15.279
a good day. I would ask
you, first off, as a as

913
01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:25.439
a man who got kicked off of
Facebook for for vehemently demeaning former Bengals coach

914
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:30.560
Marvin Lewis. Are you at that
point with Zach Taylor yet? I'm getting

915
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:38.199
there this? Uh, I just
off. I get so frustrated. He

916
01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:41.399
just came out and said that they're
going to play him again. They're gonna

917
01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:44.199
play Burrow again, like he's hurt, let him heal. And the argument

918
01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:47.079
is, well, we could lose
if we don't play Burrow. We were

919
01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:51.920
one and three. Yeah, so
all we're doing is aggravating that injury and

920
01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:58.159
making the season worst down. Just
take the medicine today. It's just so

921
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:01.119
frustrating. And it's not just it's
not just Taylor, you know, part

922
01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:03.920
of part of that, you know
falls on Burrow too. He could say

923
01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:06.920
I don't want to play, I'm
hurt, I want to heal. But

924
01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:10.279
when you're at that age, you
know, you're mid twenties, you're ten

925
01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:14.560
feet Paul made of stealing invisible right. Sure, if you look at if

926
01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:18.119
you look at his gameplay, just
his movement altogether, like he's not comfortable,

927
01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:21.479
he can't plant that, He's like
a statue back there. Jay.

928
01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:26.680
Yeah, it's it's just it's so
ugly and it's terrible to watch him get

929
01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:30.439
hit over and over and over again. And speaking to that, why does

930
01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:33.560
Frank Pollock still have a job?
I don't. I don't get that.

931
01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:41.920
That's where I he's my Marvin Lewis
right now, it's Frank Pollock holdne coordinator.

932
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:48.800
Yeah. I don't get it either. And and you taught with Orlando

933
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:51.359
Brown Junior beIN here, and by
the way, he's played pretty well,

934
01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:57.039
you don't. You can't take anything
away from from Brown on the line.

935
01:14:57.279 --> 01:15:00.560
No, especially when you got Cordell
Yeah, especially when you got Cordell Wolson

936
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:04.000
right next to him opening the door
up for the opposing team to come in

937
01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:10.399
and smash Joe. So I'm not
I'm I'm pretty over Frank Pollock and I'm

938
01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:14.239
over Cordell Bolson. That experiment has
been a failure, So let's just move

939
01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:18.840
on. It makes me so mad
after so many years, right, well

940
01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:23.439
was it thirty one years without a
playoff win? And then we finally get

941
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:28.000
a team that's Super Bowl caliber and
what did they do? They run them

942
01:15:28.039 --> 01:15:32.000
into the ground and make terrible decisions. I don't understand what's happening. Well,

943
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:38.319
maybe what's happening is similar to what
happened with the Los Angeles Rams after

944
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:41.479
they beat the Bengals in the Super
Bowl, they won a super Bowl the

945
01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:45.239
next year, they were dreadful.
Well yeah, I mean they traded off

946
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:47.560
their future for one year contracts for
a super team to win the Super Bowl.

947
01:15:47.800 --> 01:15:51.159
Like that's that's what they did and
that was expected. That's not what

948
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:56.399
we've done. There's no excuse for
this O line to still be this bad.

949
01:15:57.720 --> 01:16:00.920
There you go, So you're close
to getting kicked a Facebook again,

950
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:04.840
aren't you. I'm trying to be
quiet on Facebook. Man. There's NFL

951
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:10.560
groups or what get me every time
now? And I've been hit with so

952
01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:15.920
many violations that the algorithm nails me. There's certain words I just cannot use,

953
01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:19.640
Like where's you're allowed to use onlike
cable television? I cannot use them

954
01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:26.000
or I get instantly banned. Well
can you use the words here on the

955
01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:30.640
radio? I'm not entirely sure.
It's the one that keeps getting me.

956
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:33.279
Is the one that you call a
female dog. That's the one that keeps

957
01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:39.199
getting me ten days suspensions. Oh
well, that's that's a bit that they're

958
01:16:40.359 --> 01:16:44.720
that very frustrating well, you know, and it doesn't matter if I use

959
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:47.039
it as a noun or a verb. It doesn't matter, just the use

960
01:16:47.119 --> 01:16:54.720
of the word at all. I
infinitely get hello, Oh he went away.

961
01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:00.239
He went away, and we did
not edit him or bleep him.

962
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:06.520
So I'm gonna call him back in
just a few minutes and talk about how

963
01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:14.279
his cell phone provider is definitely a
bitch. As we continue on the nightcap

964
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:21.359
on seven hundred WLWA, We'll be
right back with Jay Armstrong. I think

965
01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:28.319
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966
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967
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968
01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:42.720
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969
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:46.199
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970
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:55.039
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More Afternoon at three seven hundred. Trust

971
01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:57.920
is a big deal, especially when
it comes to your health. This is

972
01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:00.680
Jeff for Tri State Men's Health and
if you're a man and suffering with a

973
01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:04.520
rectile dysfunction, low testosterone or other
body mouth, Jay Armstrong, I have

974
01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:09.560
no idea why you went on that
rant that we had to somebody had to

975
01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:12.720
cut you off, Jay, I
mean, are you are you willing to

976
01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:18.039
behave now? I guess man,
the deep state got me. No.

977
01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:21.640
You could hear everything. You could
hear everything I was saying, but I

978
01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:26.720
could not hear you at all.
Yeah. Man, George Soros put that

979
01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:30.039
voice filter on me and you couldn't
hear me anymore. How much of that

980
01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:32.680
do you think is going on still? And we've had all this debate and

981
01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:43.439
controversy about social media and Washington stepping
in to censor people on social media inc

982
01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:47.800
hoots with the social media networks,
be they Facebook, be at Google,

983
01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:54.079
be at ex Twitter. How much
of that do you think is still going

984
01:18:54.199 --> 01:18:58.680
on? Jay? Oh? Every
bit of it. And I also think

985
01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:01.960
that our intelligence agencies are still going
through messages completely without a warrant, just

986
01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:05.720
like always. It's like edworshm Odin
told us about. And I think I

987
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:10.279
think the more dangerous thing, though, is And when I say that,

988
01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:14.920
I don't say it lightly because government
censorship through social media is definitely incredibly dangerous.

989
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:18.760
But you have these groups like Cambridge
Analytica that are constantly analyzing all this

990
01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:25.720
data through algorithms and AI to say
to tell people what to say to be

991
01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:30.119
most effective to manipulate the general public. That is what worries me more than

992
01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:36.880
the censorship. But those two things
definitely work together. Aren't people more aware

993
01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:42.159
of that though? Now, because
it's been pointed out and it's been admitted

994
01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:47.159
that the government is you know,
tapping these social media and tech giants on

995
01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:51.159
the shoulders saying hey, we can't
have that because it doesn't go along with

996
01:19:51.239 --> 01:19:56.840
our narrative. But people know that
that's happening now, So doesn't that at

997
01:19:56.920 --> 01:20:02.000
least change the perception of rivacy.
I have to ask Dave Hatter these questions.

998
01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:08.600
But don't you think that people are
a little bit more on the ball

999
01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:12.279
with this kind of stuff now that
we've been through, you know, especially

1000
01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:16.399
through the scam deemic and everything with
COVID and and all of the all of

1001
01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:25.119
the filtering that was done there when
it came to ivermecton and the dangers,

1002
01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:30.039
the adverse effects of COVID nineteen vaccines
and all of the things that have been

1003
01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:34.279
pointed to there is dangers, but
that was not allowed to be aired in

1004
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:40.279
the public space because it was misinformation. Well, you know what, more

1005
01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:45.039
information, no matter what the information
is, I think is always better for

1006
01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:48.560
the average person, so they can
make up their own mind. I mean,

1007
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:51.279
do you think it, Yeah,
I don't know. To some extent,

1008
01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:55.279
you kind of got to protect people
from themselves, right, No,

1009
01:20:55.399 --> 01:20:57.199
no, no, no, no, that is not the job. That

1010
01:20:57.359 --> 01:21:00.439
is not the job of the government
protecting people from themselves. I mean you

1011
01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:05.199
can cite seat belt laws if you
want, or the law in Ohio now

1012
01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:09.800
that you can't have a cell phone
in your hand while you're driving. I

1013
01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:15.119
think those are probably reasonable things.
But at the same time, it's I

1014
01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:19.239
don't like the nanny state at all. Yeah, I don't like that an

1015
01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:28.439
elderly couple went to the local pet
store and bought aquarium grade hydrochloroquine killed themselves

1016
01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:30.720
because they read a social media post
saying it with saving from COVID. Now,

1017
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:34.720
if you're fine with those older people
who don't make those clear decisions just

1018
01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:40.680
killing themselves because they read something that
some idiot wanted to say on Facebook because

1019
01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:43.960
of a political narrative that they want
to push that's that's on you. I'm

1020
01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:48.520
not okay with that. Well,
they were also they were censoring hydroxychloroquine,

1021
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:55.640
which now the CDC has indoors they
weren't. They weren't addressing aquarium grade,

1022
01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:59.760
you know. No, they were
taking out but that's where people can go

1023
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:05.319
buy regular people can't go buy medical
grade hydrochloricuine without without a prescription. So

1024
01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:09.760
these people read this stuff on Facebook
that said the government's trying to stop you

1025
01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:12.960
from taking the real medicine. So
they went and got the real medicine and

1026
01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:16.640
now they're dead. Their family has
got a big hole because they listened to

1027
01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:21.720
that nonsense on social media. So
yeah, I think that that if you're

1028
01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:26.399
going to make a platform for people
to talk about and I don't even necessarily

1029
01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:30.039
think it's the government's job here.
I think it's the social media platforms.

1030
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:32.239
If you're going to connect people so
that they can share information, you are

1031
01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:38.239
responsible in part for what information gets
shared in the consequences of such information.

1032
01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:43.600
Okay, we were talking about two
different things. Hydroxy Chloroquine is easy to

1033
01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:47.000
get, it's off patent, it's
very inexpensive, and the doctors can prescribe,

1034
01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:50.159
describe it. Maybe The problem is
they can prescribe it. Yes they

1035
01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:54.039
can. Yes, they can prescribe, but you can't just go stay it

1036
01:22:54.079 --> 01:22:59.319
at Walmart. But you can't,
Jay Jay, calm down just a second.

1037
01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:04.760
What I'm telling you is state and
medical boards prohibited these doctors from prescribing

1038
01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:10.720
or threatened their license if they prescribe
something that now the CDC has endorsed it

1039
01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:15.960
is a good preventative treatment for COVID
nineteen. They've already admitted that what they

1040
01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:20.319
said three years ago. No,
it won't help you, it's dangerous,

1041
01:23:20.520 --> 01:23:25.680
don't take it, and doctors don't
prescribe it. So that's what drives an

1042
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:30.960
old couple to find something that they
think is close to that. That was.

1043
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:35.680
That was the medical industry, the
pharmaceutical medical industrial complex that did that,

1044
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:42.600
not a social mediary desk. It's
probably not the people saying, ignore

1045
01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:45.840
your doctor, ignore the government.
Get it however you can get it and

1046
01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:47.399
take it. It's probably not them. You're probably right. It's probably not

1047
01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:53.159
the people that directly said to do
exactly what that old couple said. No,

1048
01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:59.000
it's not, it's not it's not
any No, it's not in Jang's

1049
01:23:59.079 --> 01:24:05.399
not it's not anybody it's not anybody
recommending after doctor after doctor has said I

1050
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:12.560
treated patients with hydroxychloroquin and you know
what, they're better. That's what that's

1051
01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:17.079
what you're ignoring, doctor after doctor
after doctor that I talked to you,

1052
01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:23.359
and they weren't quacks. They got
their medical degree the same place that the

1053
01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:27.840
guys at the CDC or whoever has
a medical license got it. And you

1054
01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:30.640
know what, they're they're still a
doctor. Just because they don't agree with

1055
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:36.319
the official stance of the government that
was all trying to propagate the pandemic.

1056
01:24:39.239 --> 01:24:45.039
They weren't trying to protect or save
people. That's insane, Okay, okay,

1057
01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:46.840
but that's fine. The people that
directly said to do it are not

1058
01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:51.159
the people responsible. That's that's amazing. That's a level of mental gymastics.

1059
01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:57.920
I said. I and also people
I looked up whether or not the CDC

1060
01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:01.840
is recommending hydropped the chloric when as
a preventative measure for COVID nineteen and that's

1061
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:06.680
not true. You said that at
the beginning of this, and that's a

1062
01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:12.960
problem they have. You said they
endorsed it as a preventative measure, and

1063
01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:17.760
that's just not true. See that's
the problem as a treatment. You've said

1064
01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:23.760
preventative measure, and I couldn't find
it as a treatment either. So the

1065
01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:28.600
problem is is that people hear stuff
that's completely untrue from people who say other

1066
01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:32.039
things that they like, and then
they follow that to their death. That's

1067
01:25:32.079 --> 01:25:36.319
a problem. So yeah, everybody
should should be careful about what information is

1068
01:25:36.399 --> 01:25:44.960
shared. Stuff that's not true is
not information. Information is only stuff that's

1069
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:50.880
true, all right. I just
I just have talked to so many doctors

1070
01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:58.039
who prescribe hydroxychloroquin for their patients,
and their patients did great. I mean,

1071
01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:03.159
like like nearly one hundred percent of
their patients were better after the rounds

1072
01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:06.840
of hydroxy clark win. Same thing
with ivermectin. They called it horse pills,

1073
01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:12.560
and while it's similar drugs, it's
not the same thing that's being prescribed

1074
01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:17.000
and has been okay for humans to
use jay right, right, But that's

1075
01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:21.399
not what people were sharing on social
media. The reason people said horse paste

1076
01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:28.000
is because there were tons of huge
groups of people that were sharing direct links

1077
01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:31.600
on where to buy veterinary grade ivermectin. Because your doctor is not going to

1078
01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:34.039
want to give it to you,
so come and get this horse paste.

1079
01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:40.279
I actually know a doctor. I
know a doctor from Michigan who him and

1080
01:26:40.399 --> 01:26:44.640
his wife were taking the horse paste
version of ivermectin and they both got COVID

1081
01:26:44.680 --> 01:26:48.479
and she spent a year in the
hospital because he stopped her from getting real

1082
01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:54.600
treatment to just follow the conspiracy theory
nonsense of ivermectin. Okay, Well,

1083
01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:59.479
there's lots of conspiracy theory nonsense,
and a lot of it revives revolves around

1084
01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:04.800
Maderna and Johnson and Johnson Jay.
Yeah, I'm sure it does. And

1085
01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:09.119
we're all going to die tomorrow because
our vaccines are going to be activated by

1086
01:27:09.159 --> 01:27:12.760
the New World Order. Right.
I didn't say that. I didn't know

1087
01:27:13.039 --> 01:27:15.279
a lot of people listening to this
this right now that probably are worried about

1088
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:19.880
what's going to happen with their phone
tomorrow because they've heard the same misinformation from

1089
01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:27.680
the same people about that too.
Okay, your phones are going to be

1090
01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:30.840
fine tomorrow. If you've gotten vaccinated, you don't have to freak out.

1091
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:36.119
I never said that people should be
freaking out because they got a vaccine.

1092
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:45.399
You're confusing me with somebody else.
Hello, yep, I'm here. Oh

1093
01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:50.640
okay, I just love getting you
charged up. Yeah, Well, the

1094
01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:55.720
problem is is you know that it
gets me charged up because Jason Goodall is

1095
01:27:56.079 --> 01:27:59.439
ground right now. You know it
gets me charged up because my brother in

1096
01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:01.680
law is in the ground right now. And you want to continue to share

1097
01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:06.319
the same nonsense that's being shared on
social media that drives people to their deaths.

1098
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:10.840
So stop it. Just stop talking
about it, all right. You're

1099
01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:13.000
not an expert on it. I'm
not an expert on it. But what

1100
01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:15.640
I can share is the direct experience
of my friends and my family member who

1101
01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:19.000
are not going to take another breath. I got you, both of whom

1102
01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:29.600
were unvaccinated because they listened to this
nonsense, that the nonsense that there weren't

1103
01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:39.840
people that had solutions to this beyond
what was pushed and recommended by the WHO

1104
01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:46.159
and by the CDC. But you
mean I remett in the hydrop the medicines

1105
01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:49.439
that we were already talking about that
put people other people in the ground.

1106
01:28:50.319 --> 01:28:54.359
All right, you think that that's
you think that that's still the answer.

1107
01:28:54.439 --> 01:28:58.199
Go tell those families like, look, man, I'm sorry that your family

1108
01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:01.079
member died from this thing that I
endure. But look, not my fault

1109
01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:03.920
and not the fault of anybody else
who said the same thing. It's the

1110
01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:09.119
government's fault and it's the Democrat's fault, even though you did what we said

1111
01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:15.600
and you died. Okay, can
you tell me whether the factual and accuracy

1112
01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:19.119
is not the opinion. You're the
one earlier that said it wasn't the people

1113
01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:24.079
pushing those things that killed people's fault. It was the Democrats and it was

1114
01:29:24.159 --> 01:29:30.239
the government. That's what you said, not the people. Suggest I didn't

1115
01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:34.000
say democrats specifically, No, I
did not. I said no, I

1116
01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:39.640
So I didn't. This was not
a pro Republican rant, Jay, It

1117
01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:43.880
was just a difference of opinion.
And my experience with COVID, and I've

1118
01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:48.279
had it twice, has been largely
different. My family's experience with it has

1119
01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:53.520
been largely different. And I know
lots of people who've gotten the first shot,

1120
01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:57.039
the second shot, the three boosters, and have been very, very

1121
01:29:57.119 --> 01:30:09.680
sick with COVID afterwards. Jay,
So that's my personal experience. Guess we'll

1122
01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:15.960
leave it there. Probably all right, all right, I'm sorry I got

1123
01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:19.560
you upset. Are you hoping to
calm things down a little bit from the

1124
01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:25.359
last phone call? I hope I
didn't lose a friend there, But anyway,

1125
01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:29.239
it was it was good to let
him speak his piece and yell at

1126
01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:33.319
me for a while, changing gears
completely from that tech guy, our it

1127
01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:39.560
guy, from into it or in
trust it. Excuse me? Is the

1128
01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:43.199
one and only Dave Hatter. Dave, welcome back to the Nightcap. It's

1129
01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:46.119
great to have you on the show. Always my pleasure, Garret Jeff,

1130
01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:49.640
glad to be back, and hopefully
we'll do some good tonight help people avoid

1131
01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:54.319
some of the crazy things that are
going on out there around cybersecurity. Well,

1132
01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:59.880
Amazon just got fined twenty five million
dollars for deceiving parents and violating the

1133
01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:04.000
child privacy privacy laws. So first
off, how did how was it found

1134
01:31:04.039 --> 01:31:08.960
that Amazon violated child privacy laws?
And explain this to me a little bit,

1135
01:31:09.079 --> 01:31:13.479
Dave. Yeah, So I guess
let me start out and say,

1136
01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:16.119
twenty five twenty five million dollars sounds
like a lot to Amazon. That's like

1137
01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:19.800
twenty five dollars to me and you
Gary Jeff. So I'm glad to see

1138
01:31:20.479 --> 01:31:24.600
that, you know, action is
being taken against these tech titans who are

1139
01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:29.800
frequently at best using dark patterns and
privacy washing to do things that are not

1140
01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:33.680
in your interest and at worst are
just you know, blatantly flouting what their

1141
01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:39.520
terms of servicing and so forth.
So the FTC find Amazon twenty five millions

1142
01:31:39.640 --> 01:31:44.279
or violating the Children's Online Privacy Protection
Act, which amongst other things, says

1143
01:31:44.319 --> 01:31:46.640
you have to be thirteen years old
or older to engage in a lot of

1144
01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:51.680
this stuff online without parental consent.
Apparently, the Department of Justice filed this

1145
01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:57.880
complaint on behalf of the FTC and
basically said that Amazon for a long time

1146
01:31:57.960 --> 01:32:01.960
has been misleading people about what they're
doing with the data collected through smart devices

1147
01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:08.840
like Alexa. So here's a direct
quote. Amazon's history of misleading parents.

1148
01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:15.039
Keeping children's recordings indefinitely at plowing parents
deletion requests violated KAPA and sacrifice privacy for

1149
01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:19.039
profits profits rather, says Samuel Lavine, director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer

1150
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:24.239
Protection. Quote, KAPA does not
allow companies to keep children's data forever for

1151
01:32:24.279 --> 01:32:27.720
any reason. It's certainly not to
train their algorithms. And the basic gist

1152
01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:30.039
of it was so Alexa, right, the thing you talked to from Amazon

1153
01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:34.720
that goes out and does request for
you and so forth. Was even when

1154
01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:41.039
parents were asking to have their children's
voice recordings deleted and remind people when you

1155
01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:44.880
use something like Alexa, it has
to listen to you because that's how it

1156
01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:46.600
waits for you to say the wake
word and kick it into action, right,

1157
01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:53.239
And by default it's doing some basic
recordings because if you talk to it,

1158
01:32:53.359 --> 01:32:56.520
it has to send your command off
to their servers, so that's going

1159
01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:59.640
to be at least recorded for some
short period of time. So when people

1160
01:32:59.640 --> 01:33:01.840
say that all sounds crazy, I
mean it has to work that way,

1161
01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:06.279
right. But the issue was people
were going in and saying that they wanted

1162
01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:11.680
to delete this data out of there, and even though Amazon said you could

1163
01:33:11.720 --> 01:33:15.159
do that, they weren't actually deleting
it, and they claimed that they were

1164
01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:18.000
keeping it to train their AI algorithms
and things of that nature, you know,

1165
01:33:18.159 --> 01:33:23.520
to improve the capabilities of these devices. So you know, sadly,

1166
01:33:23.640 --> 01:33:26.720
Gary, Jeff, we see this
kind of thing all the time with these

1167
01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:30.079
tech companies, in particularly when it
involves these Internet of things or so called

1168
01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:35.239
smart devices. Well, and we
talked, gosh years ago, Dave,

1169
01:33:35.359 --> 01:33:41.119
about how we'd never allow one of
those things in our houses for the very

1170
01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:45.520
reasons that are spelled out in this
slap on the risk fine for Amazon.

1171
01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:50.920
Google is about to pay another poultry. So I guess for Google ninety three

1172
01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:57.279
million dollars over alleged location privacy deceptions. I'm not even sure I know what

1173
01:33:57.399 --> 01:34:00.359
that is, but maybe you do. Well, Gary, Jeff, I'm

1174
01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:02.680
glad you brought this one up too, because it's a very similar kind of

1175
01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:06.800
thing, and you know, in
keeping with the theme. And you know,

1176
01:34:08.199 --> 01:34:11.720
while I am certainly no luddite,
as you know, I've spent you

1177
01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:15.359
know, thirty years into business,
twenty five years as a software engineer building

1178
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:17.960
stuff like this. You know.
My issue with all of these things are

1179
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:21.560
people don't really understand what they're signing
up for. They don't read the terms

1180
01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:25.520
of service, and if they do
again you'll hear terms. They use these

1181
01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:29.399
terms before, like privacy washing and
dark patterns. Right, they say one

1182
01:34:29.439 --> 01:34:31.960
thing and do another. That's the
privacy washing piece, claim their privacy friendly

1183
01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:35.159
and so forth, claim that you
can delete stuff and that sort of thing,

1184
01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:40.520
and then can't and or be they
use dark patterns an important term which

1185
01:34:40.840 --> 01:34:43.880
is getting out in the public mind
space more and more, I think,

1186
01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:46.479
which is they make it difficult for
you to do things that are in your

1187
01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:51.279
own self interests like turn off location
tracking, turn off voice recording, and

1188
01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:54.680
that sort of thing. Like you
know, you go in and if you

1189
01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:57.520
can even find the settings at all, they make it, you know,

1190
01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:00.800
give you lots of warnings like,
well, it's turn this off and this

1191
01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:02.119
thing is going to happen, and
nothing is going to happen. You won't

1192
01:35:02.119 --> 01:35:05.079
be able to fully utilize the service, and that sort of thing, so

1193
01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:11.479
so typical. In this case,
Google said that you could go in and

1194
01:35:12.359 --> 01:35:15.279
delete location data that's been collected by
their devices. So for examples, think

1195
01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:19.800
if you have an Android based phone, whether it's a Google hardware phone like

1196
01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:24.000
a Pixel or a Samsung phone,
if it has Android on it, you

1197
01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:30.239
could go in and you turn off
the location tracking and basically they say they

1198
01:35:30.279 --> 01:35:33.520
will not track you. But we
found out that they were actually doing that

1199
01:35:34.039 --> 01:35:40.119
anyway. So again here's some direct
language from the complete against Google that led

1200
01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:44.319
to this fun quote. For years, Google promises users but if they turned

1201
01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:48.000
off the quote location history unquote setting, then Google would not store their location

1202
01:35:48.079 --> 01:35:53.319
data. The complaint said it made
its promise explicit and career language on the

1203
01:35:53.399 --> 01:35:58.000
help page for location history that left
no room for ambiguity. Yet if you

1204
01:35:58.039 --> 01:36:00.600
went and it turned it off,
they didn't get rid of the data is

1205
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:05.760
essentially the bottom line, So you
know, it's just one more example where

1206
01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:11.079
and I'm not always I'm not sure
Gary Jeff that in every case this stuff

1207
01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:15.960
is being done maliciously. In some
cases, I think it's just probably human

1208
01:36:15.119 --> 01:36:20.800
error software bugs. Again, these
systems are large and complex, so again,

1209
01:36:20.960 --> 01:36:24.399
while I think some of it is
done by design, don't get me

1210
01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:27.600
wrong, I don't think it's always
done by design. I think sometimes it's

1211
01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:33.039
just bugs, mistakes, or dark
patterns, so people don't really understand what

1212
01:36:33.199 --> 01:36:36.680
it's telling you. But it's unfortunate
and again one of the reasons why I'm

1213
01:36:36.680 --> 01:36:41.000
not a big fan of Google and
generally encourage people to stay away from Google

1214
01:36:41.039 --> 01:36:45.279
as much as they can. Artificial
intelligence, according to the Signals Meredith Whittaker

1215
01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:53.039
is a surveillance technology. Basically explain
this, Yes, yeah, Meredith Whittaker

1216
01:36:53.399 --> 01:36:58.000
is a very interesting person and for
those who are interested in privacy and sort

1217
01:36:58.039 --> 01:37:00.640
of the state of technologies or pertains
to v to see, she's someone that's

1218
01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:05.239
worth keeping an eye on. She's
very smart. She's the CEO at Signal

1219
01:37:05.640 --> 01:37:11.079
for those who aren't familiar. Signal
is an end to end encrypted messaging app

1220
01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:15.199
and generally within the tech world is
sort of renowned. Is probably the most

1221
01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:17.880
secure messaging app out there. It's
one of the ones that's snowed in.

1222
01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:24.800
Like and she was recently speaking at
a conference, and she has a great

1223
01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:29.840
quote here quote And the use of
AI is also surveillant. Right, you

1224
01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:33.960
know, you walk past the facial
recognition camera that's instrumented with pseudoscientific emotion recognition,

1225
01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:38.039
and it produces data about you,
right or wrong, that says you're

1226
01:37:38.119 --> 01:37:40.800
happy or sad, you have a
bad character, you're a liar, whatever.

1227
01:37:41.319 --> 01:37:44.760
These are ultimately surveillance systems that are
being marketed to those who have power

1228
01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:47.600
over us, generally our employers,
government's border control, etc. To make

1229
01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:54.039
determinations and predictions that will shape our
access to resources and opportunities. Unquote.

1230
01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:58.239
So I couldn't possibly have said it
better than her. And it's not just

1231
01:37:58.479 --> 01:38:02.119
the fact that you have now increasing
surveillance everywhere. It's being coupled with all

1232
01:38:02.239 --> 01:38:06.960
kinds of AI that's supposedly, as
she said, can you gauge your mood?

1233
01:38:08.399 --> 01:38:11.760
Can gauge if you might have some
sort of bad intent, has facial

1234
01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:15.840
recognition to try to identify you,
which is continued to be proven to be

1235
01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:19.079
not very good, especially in minority
community. So yeah, there's a lot

1236
01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:24.000
of problems with this stuff. And
the point she really drives home for me

1237
01:38:24.760 --> 01:38:28.720
is that idea again, let's read
it from her, these are ultimately surveillance

1238
01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:31.560
systems being marketed to those who have
power over us, generally our employer's,

1239
01:38:31.600 --> 01:38:36.199
government's border control, etc. So
yeah, it's people need to wake up

1240
01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:43.279
to this stuff and realize that while
there a lot of this technology is obviously

1241
01:38:43.479 --> 01:38:46.359
very cool and brings a lot of
great conveniences and pros to our society,

1242
01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:50.119
there's an enormous amount of downside to
a lot of this stuff. And the

1243
01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:53.720
further of the genie gets out of
the bottle, the harder it will be

1244
01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:58.439
to wind this stuff back if and
when it either a goes bad or b

1245
01:38:59.319 --> 01:39:02.439
is not you in ways that are
in alignment with freedom and liberty and you

1246
01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:06.319
know, general American principles. So
yeah, it's it's a big concern.

1247
01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:12.399
And again I think she's spot on
and is constantly talking about these sort of

1248
01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:15.199
things, So she's a good person
to follow. Okay, Meredith Whittaker at

1249
01:39:15.399 --> 01:39:20.399
Signal. Dave Hatter is our guest
on this first nightcap of the new season

1250
01:39:20.560 --> 01:39:25.199
on seven d W l W and
one more for you, And this is

1251
01:39:25.319 --> 01:39:30.159
something you have, you and I've
gotten into in depth discussions about over the

1252
01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:34.399
last now six months or so.
It's been a thing longer than that,

1253
01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:41.560
but it really really is coming on
now. Packer deep fakes employees voice and

1254
01:39:41.720 --> 01:39:47.439
phone call to breach an IT company. So we've talked about deep fakes in

1255
01:39:47.640 --> 01:39:55.560
video and with our image and deep
fakes with audio. Now it's actually being

1256
01:39:55.720 --> 01:39:59.880
used and it's popping up more and
more. Is it not that ass?

1257
01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:02.760
Correct? Eric? Yeah, I
can tell you from firsthand experience playing with

1258
01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:08.119
him. You can right now go
online do a search. I wouldn't use

1259
01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:11.800
Google, I'd use ut Go or
start page or another privacy friendly search engine.

1260
01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:15.199
But do a search and find online
tools that will allow you to clone

1261
01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:19.720
a voice with as little as three
seconds of audio. Use these seven seconds

1262
01:40:19.760 --> 01:40:23.680
of more works better, and they'll
typically give you a sentence to read.

1263
01:40:24.199 --> 01:40:27.800
You read the sentence, it copies
your voice. It then trains its voice

1264
01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:30.800
model on that, and then you
can type something in and it will say

1265
01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:33.760
it in that voice. So people
will say, well, gosh, how

1266
01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:38.000
is someone going to get my voice
to cleone my voice? Well, my

1267
01:40:38.359 --> 01:40:43.479
first question to him as always,
do you currently have voicemail? Is there

1268
01:40:43.479 --> 01:40:46.119
a voicemail on your cell phone,
your work phone, your home phone that

1269
01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:50.039
has you talking? Because if the
answer is yes, I can call your

1270
01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:55.760
phone number, record your voicemail and
in about thirty minutes or less, with

1271
01:40:55.920 --> 01:41:00.399
no previous experience and at no cost. I'm you I've actually done this myself

1272
01:41:00.760 --> 01:41:05.079
firsthand, so this is not speculation
on my part. I know that it's

1273
01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:10.439
absolutely possible. And the story you
read, and let me give you another

1274
01:41:10.479 --> 01:41:13.640
headline that ties into it. This
is from the New York Post from this

1275
01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:18.079
week. Gambers use artificial intelligence to
beg New York City parents for fifteen thousand

1276
01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:24.319
dollars by mimicking their child's voice.
Again, if you have anything posted on

1277
01:41:24.439 --> 01:41:27.239
social media with your voice, video, audio, whatever, If you have

1278
01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:30.319
voicemail, if you have you know, if you're out in a public eye,

1279
01:41:30.439 --> 01:41:34.079
whatsoever. The possibility of me getting
your voice is very easy, are

1280
01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:38.439
very good, and then it's simply
a matter of finding one of these tools

1281
01:41:38.479 --> 01:41:42.319
em plugging get in once it's trained. Literally, I can sit at a

1282
01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:45.640
keyboard and type in what I want
you quote unquote to say, and it

1283
01:41:45.720 --> 01:41:48.680
will do it. And you know
the first story you brought up, So

1284
01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:53.600
in this case as part of an
elaborate attack, and we often see this,

1285
01:41:53.720 --> 01:41:56.680
and in factary, Jeff, before
I forget, there's a story all

1286
01:41:56.720 --> 01:42:00.119
the way back in twenty nineteen,
when deep fakes flash synthetic media, we're

1287
01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:03.239
really starting to get a lot of
attention, but weren't really seen out in

1288
01:42:03.319 --> 01:42:08.239
the wild like they are being now. A bank in the UAE had thirty

1289
01:42:08.319 --> 01:42:13.199
five million dollars stolen to an elaborate
scheme that involved fishing and some other typical

1290
01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:17.600
cybersecurity attacks, but one of the
angles of the attack was a voicemail was

1291
01:42:17.720 --> 01:42:21.279
left authorizing the transfer of funds that
appeared to be for one of the bank

1292
01:42:21.359 --> 01:42:26.159
directors. So this is not new, but it's become a lot more prevalent

1293
01:42:26.239 --> 01:42:30.840
because the tools are much easier to
use and are readily available at no cost

1294
01:42:30.920 --> 01:42:33.399
to anyone. So yeah, I
mean, we're seeing these things crop up

1295
01:42:33.479 --> 01:42:39.239
and I just cannot stress enough to
people. You simply cannot believe your ears

1296
01:42:39.319 --> 01:42:43.000
or eyes anymore. If you get
a voicemail, and in fact, in

1297
01:42:43.119 --> 01:42:46.600
that New York Post story I was
talking about, it appears from what I

1298
01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:50.880
can tell, that they were having
to some extent a real time conversation.

1299
01:42:51.640 --> 01:42:57.760
Now, I have not seen any
AI that's capable at this point of doing

1300
01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:00.880
a real time conversation with someone of
some one else's voice. You know,

1301
01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:04.119
typically you have to train the model
and type in what you want to say.

1302
01:43:04.159 --> 01:43:08.399
Now, could someone be sitting there
typing and that would be a red

1303
01:43:08.439 --> 01:43:12.279
flag, right if there's a weird
pause when you're quote talking to someone that

1304
01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:15.840
you think is them, that pause
might be the bad people typing in what

1305
01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:19.880
they want to AI to say.
But my point is if you want to

1306
01:43:19.960 --> 01:43:24.399
maintain your sanity and your money,
we are now at a place you literally

1307
01:43:24.479 --> 01:43:28.760
cannot believe anything you see or hear, and you really have to go out

1308
01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:31.119
a band. You have to figure
out how to go confirm that it's legit

1309
01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:36.439
because these tools are readily available,
and as if you just do a simple

1310
01:43:36.479 --> 01:43:42.000
search, you'll find many examples now
of actual fraud and involves voice clearning.

1311
01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:45.119
It's crazy and kind of terrifying.
Well, you know, it's really especially

1312
01:43:45.279 --> 01:43:49.720
terrifying. You say it's easy as
going to somebody's voicemail greeting and you've got

1313
01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:56.520
your voice. But think about all
of the hours of digital audio there are

1314
01:43:56.800 --> 01:44:01.560
of me, of you from all
of your is on fifty five Kresy,

1315
01:44:01.640 --> 01:44:05.079
which, by the way, Davis
on every Friday morning at six thirty does

1316
01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:11.079
a lot of TV spots as well
talking about this stuff. And think about

1317
01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:19.479
forty three years of audio that I've
been responsible for generating. And you know,

1318
01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:26.039
I'm I'm cooked. If anybody wants
to deep fake me, I'm done.

1319
01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:30.359
There's no way to prevent it.
I don't think I think you're right,

1320
01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:32.479
because I mean, right now,
I could go to the seven hundred

1321
01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:39.560
ww website, find a podcast,
download that podcast, put some audio out

1322
01:44:39.560 --> 01:44:42.880
of it. Again, it takes
a very small amount on average, and

1323
01:44:43.399 --> 01:44:45.640
you know, within a matter of
minutes. Now, let's be honest,

1324
01:44:45.640 --> 01:44:49.600
Scary jet like the free tool I
used. It wasn't perfect, but it

1325
01:44:49.720 --> 01:44:54.680
was very good. I also had
no previous experience and only played with it

1326
01:44:54.760 --> 01:44:57.840
for about thirty minutes. Right.
You know, if you had access to

1327
01:44:57.960 --> 01:45:00.399
a tool that you could continue to
work on, or perhaps something that's in

1328
01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:03.760
a government lab that's not available to
the public, you know, I'm pretty

1329
01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:08.640
sure you could get close to perfection
something that there's no way to the naked

1330
01:45:08.760 --> 01:45:12.560
ear you would ever know, isn't
that person other than again, like in

1331
01:45:12.640 --> 01:45:15.600
a real time type of situations,
weird pauses while someone is typing in what

1332
01:45:15.680 --> 01:45:19.600
it's going to say or something like
that. But I'm also very concerned that

1333
01:45:19.720 --> 01:45:23.880
even if there is nothing out there
that could respond in a more or less

1334
01:45:23.880 --> 01:45:29.279
real time conversation like we're having right
now, it's coming soon, so they'll

1335
01:45:29.680 --> 01:45:35.439
actually be able to fake deep fake
an entire conversation. If that is not

1336
01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:39.720
available yet, and I haven't seen
anything that says it is, I'm sure

1337
01:45:39.800 --> 01:45:42.800
we're less than a year or two
away from that. Well, just because

1338
01:45:42.920 --> 01:45:45.439
we don't know about it doesn't mean
that it doesn't already exist in you and

1339
01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:49.760
I talked about that numerous times as
well. Dave Hatter, thanks for helping

1340
01:45:49.880 --> 01:45:55.279
kick off this nightcap all right,
always my pleasure. Thanks for having me

1341
01:45:55.359 --> 01:45:58.840
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1342
01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:05.319
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