WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:14.720 Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for the song we Welcome the Talking Point with Ray 2 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:21.960 you Angeler discussing the hot topics and answering your questions, Saturdays five to seven 3 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:27.600 pm on Adventist Radio London. It's talking Point, it's talking Point, it's 4 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:36.759 talking Point, it's talking point, real conversations you need to have. Good 5 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:41.679 afternoon, good afternoon, good afternoon. Yes, it's talking Point and those 6 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:46.439 real conversations you need to have. Welcome. But it's five o'clock on a 7 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:53.240 Saturday evening. Sabbath is over, We've closed Sabbath and I hope you've had 8 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:58.679 a wonderful day and you are ready for our show today. We're here from 9 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:03.520 five till seven and hopefully you will stay with us for the whole show. 10 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.719 I am joined as usual by my co host co host Okay, yes, 11 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:10.840 what come on and get my sponsor tooth in, my co host Zenya, 12 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:15.079 who is on Zoom today. I'm unstudied by myself today. He say, 13 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:19.000 how are you doing? I am doing well? How are you? How's 14 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:22.799 everybody doing? I hope you had a good sabbath, a good week, 15 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:29.439 and welcome to talking for you. Wonderful, wonderful and as hopefully you've been 16 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:33.319 listening over the last couple of weeks, because we've actually got a series to 17 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:38.920 start off our new year in January, and it is a series called Bringing 18 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:42.719 Down Strongholds. So we have our guests with us. One of our resident 19 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:48.280 therapists and practitioners, alisonder Wuku. I think he is online with us now, 20 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:52.359 Yes she is. Hi Alison, how are you doing. I'm good? 21 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:55.439 Thank you, Hi, Hi Angela, Hi singer. How are you? 22 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:57.280 He love to be good and thank you for joining us again. How 23 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:01.879 are you? I'm good. I'll get cool. So we've been looking over 24 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:06.040 we've been looking at the idea of bringing down Strongholds, and we're going to 25 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:07.319 do a bit of a recap of what we've been gone, what we've gone 26 00:02:07.360 --> 00:02:12.560 through so far, and we've got another deep topic that we're going to be 27 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.159 looking at today again. What we'd like to do on talking point is to 28 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:19.719 hear your voices. We're talking about the topic. 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Let's pray, Father God, I want to 42 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:28.000 thank you for blessing us with another Sabbath day, Dear Lord, and whatever 43 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:31.280 we did, I hope that your name was praised and people were blessed, 44 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:36.400 that people were blessed today. I thank you for allowing us this platform that 45 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.439 we can share a word and share a message and set share some important information, 46 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:44.120 Dear Lord, and I pray that it will be useful and helpful for 47 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:46.960 those who are listening. I thank you for everyone who is listening to us, 48 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:50.960 whether they join now or maybe later on in the show, and I 49 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:57.719 pray that they'll be blessed. I pray for our myself, Zenya and Allison 50 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.159 who's on the call today, on the show today day, and we also 51 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.800 think of Pedro who's not well today and isn't joining us today. I thank 52 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.479 you for hearing and answering all our prayers. Of the amazing things you're going 53 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:14.400 to do. This is my prayer, Amen, so as I said, 54 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:20.560 and I'm joined by Zenya and Allison. Unfortunately, Pedro is not well today. 55 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:26.079 There's a lot of gems going around, and I think between us we've 56 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:30.519 caught various things. I still haven't really shifted my cold which i've had for 57 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:34.959 the which I had just before just after Christmas. A lot of things going 58 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:41.160 around, So Pedro get better soon. Sometimes when we catch, when we 59 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:43.959 get things, this is our body is telling us to slow down and stop 60 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.519 for a little while, So hopefully you'll be it's too easy for a little 61 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:50.519 while. So yeah, Sanya, how are you and how has your week 62 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:56.839 been? Well? Let me first off say rebuke, rebuke, rebuke and 63 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:00.879 trying to stay well. I think I've had my portion. I think we 64 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:04.360 all have, really. I think byself and Pedro we were out sort of 65 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:10.560 before Christmas. You sort of post Christmas, still struggling, and as you 66 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:15.079 said, there's so many gems and bugs and variants and all sorts around. 67 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:18.519 I think we still need to persist with the advice that we had so many 68 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:23.319 moons ago about washing our hands and you know, doing what we need to 69 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:28.519 do to stay well, vitamins, et cetera, et cetera. Because yeah, 70 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:32.199 and the cold weather doesn't help, and then we're going to be transitioning 71 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:36.439 to a BOMBI fifteen degrees or they are about next week, so I know 72 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:42.839 it's going from what it is, yeah, the other extreme. So oh 73 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:47.360 boy, yeah, keep warm, keep well guys, And yeah, for 74 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:54.639 me this week preparing, I am about to start a radio program on another 75 00:05:55.600 --> 00:06:00.519 station. Also trying to make connections with some stations in the Caribbean, so 76 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:06.439 really trying to launch my radio ministry as it were. And I'm just praying 77 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:12.079 for God's blessing and that all will go well. And yeah, it's a 78 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:15.000 lot, but sometimes you just have to step out in faith, yes, 79 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:21.920 looking forward to what God has in store for me this year. That's cool. 80 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:27.199 Thank you? Cool? And what about you? Okay, sorry, 81 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.720 well I'll get to Alison first and then i'll chuse me. Allison, how 82 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:39.000 was your week being? My week's been been good. Basic, basic. 83 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:44.639 My week's always basically goes by very quickly. But yeah, it's been it's 84 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:48.399 been good, and I'm really cool to god. You know, that's what 85 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.639 you'd mentioned, if I remember rightly, that you'd launched a book, a 86 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:55.439 book book of yours and new book has come out. Are you doing any 87 00:06:55.439 --> 00:07:01.319 sort of promotional stuff around that? I I published it last week. I 88 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:06.800 have apart from social media, just pushing it on social media. I haven't 89 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:12.680 at the time to do a formal launch. That's going to be later on 90 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.480 in a couple of months time or something. But yeah, it's good to 91 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:21.279 get the book out. It's called Relating for Success, and it's on encouraging 92 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:30.480 positive relationships in organizations. So please have a look. It's on Amazon. 93 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:32.399 I just asked, sorry, very quickly. Do you do a lot of 94 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:40.240 work with organizations as well? Do you do? I do through my organization, 95 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:46.839 So I do work for an organization that works with various large organizations on 96 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:53.720 mental health and well being, So yes, I do, and just workshops 97 00:07:53.759 --> 00:08:01.319 and training programs, presentations that sort of thing out wonderful, cool, cool, 98 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.040 sounds good, sounds good, so you've heard it first, so I 99 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:09.800 do do take a look on that and do support Allison's work and hand ministry 100 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.519 there. As for me, my wake has been busy here as always, 101 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.279 It's been a fairly okay week though, I mean I've been incredibly tired. 102 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.680 I've had I had a couple of days off, and I say days off. 103 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:28.720 I actually attended two funeral services this week, very different in terms of 104 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:31.720 how they were, the presentations and stuff, but definitely you know, really 105 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:37.960 lovely send offs. So shout out to my good friend Marlon whose mother had 106 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:41.320 passed away. It was really nice send off and it really nice sort of 107 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:43.799 you know, see him and a few other people. And then on the 108 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:48.279 that was Tuesday, and then the Wednesday, I attended the funeral of garfld 109 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:54.279 Macintosh, who attends Balam. Again an amazing send off for him, you 110 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.960 know, and I know his wife sort of gave a bit of a testimony 111 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.759 at church today to sort of share how people really were touched and blessed by 112 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:05.320 the service. Itself, whether it's by the words, the music, and 113 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:07.960 you know, just hearing about the work that Garfielder did. So again, 114 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.679 condilences to both of those families and their friends for that. So it was 115 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:18.519 kind of a bit of a mixedweek in that respect, but generally it's been 116 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:20.320 fine. It's funny as you were saying about, you know, people are 117 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:26.039 being sick and what have you, and it's really important to keep, you 118 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:31.240 know, keep ourselves look after ourselves. I did a recording with the int 119 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.480 G crew and my topic was which I shouldn't really share, but I was 120 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.840 talking about self care and I think it's really important that we do continue to 121 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:45.879 look after ourselves and yeah, make sure we're taking care. So, as 122 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:50.440 I said before, we are going to be talking continuing with our series bringing 123 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:56.200 Down Strongholds, and this week we are dealing with the topic of depression. 124 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:01.240 So I'm going to play a piece of music now and to play a song 125 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.000 which kind of is kind of our theme song for this series really, but 126 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.799 the lyrics do kind of really do leak into what we've been talking about over 127 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:41.879 the last couple of weeks. And this is Bobby Mason Pray on Farmy of 128 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:52.879 Juno was paralyzed by feel. When they heard of my multitude was quickly drawn. 129 00:10:54.840 --> 00:11:03.279 But else they prayed for elivenment. The drivel would be again. For 130 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:13.720 when we call upon the Lord we saw in all the heaven, For you, 131 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:22.720 who the Lord is looking for, real for this will tear of those 132 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:33.240 mighty strong holds down. Stay oneds for this season where the battery is what 133 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:48.519 Very soon you'll win the victory ray. When time you'll face the lands for 134 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:56.360 worshiping Alrd. It seemed there was no hope at all for what would be 135 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:05.639 so. But when we stand on holding around, our smallest prayer is heard 136 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:20.320 instead alone our circumstance, All lordd pray on before you are who the Lord 137 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:28.440 is looking for, to real for the swell tear of those by the strong 138 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:37.159 holds down. Say your needs, what this is where the lady is working. 139 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:48.320 Very soon you'll mend the victory ray. When your questions go on, 140 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:56.759 answer and your prayers may see an say they don't seem to make a difference, 141 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:03.000 They don't seem to make a change. Just reach the short God no 142 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:11.200 short needs, and he hears each time you break, your prayers are reaching 143 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:24.559 heaven and the answers on the way for you who the Lord isn't looking for? 144 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:37.720 Where tear the piety is turning hols down stairs? What he says a 145 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:45.720 man the metally is one. There's no sties for you to be that steeping 146 00:13:45.919 --> 00:14:18.159 to fund the prayer, please very seal limit of the keep we Yes, 147 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.559 pray on for you are who the Lord is looking for. Yes, there's 148 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:31.559 lyrics, definitely do speak to the topic that we're dealing with. Pray on 149 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.159 for the Lord, for you are the lord he is looking for. Sorry, 150 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:37.960 we're having a few technical difficulty in the studio right now, so I'm 151 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.399 just making sure everything's really on right now. Hopefully everybody can still hear us, 152 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.279 and I'm back with the zoom call. Okay. So, as I 153 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:50.879 mentioned before, we are talking of doing our series with Alison and a Wiku 154 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:58.039 bringing down Strongholds. So we are in part three and today's topic we are 155 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:03.879 looking at depression, deepig depression. Now again, mental health is definitely a 156 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:11.000 topic that has always her. Mental health issues have always been around and but 157 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:18.840 I think we are starting to talk a lot more about them and definitely something 158 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.080 to Oh, we are having a lot of technical difficulties here I'm gonna play 159 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:26.120 another piece of music. This is Tasha Cobb's break Every Chain, see where 160 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.840 I can actually fix what's going on. So it's sit back, enjoy this 161 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.480 track, break every Chain because again this fits in really nicely with our theme 162 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:48.759 as well. And I we'll be back right after this. Darius Pal in 163 00:15:48.799 --> 00:16:04.600 the name Geesisa, Diarius Pal in the name Geeza, there is power and 164 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:15.879 the name geeesus to break every chain, break every chain, break every change, 165 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:27.159 to break every chain, break every chain, break every name there is 166 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:40.360 Come on, name Geesu, Come on you declare, there is the name 167 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:49.840 Jesus. There is power. There is in the name the name. We 168 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:59.799 know where it is to break and breakage Chang dray average train, come on 169 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.960 said to break upach, break up with change, break up your cha, 170 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:14.960 bring at red chest. There's an old army? Why said? No? 171 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:34.960 There's a nomy? Why there's in no army? Why no? To break 172 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:44.799 at check way up rich Chard, break at bred Chet, to brag up 173 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:52.119 it chame wrack up rich Chad? Why got brich say there's an army? 174 00:17:52.720 --> 00:18:19.519 There's a a mody Bria god No never than h got shot Richie? Why 175 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:30.799 Richie? Wake up? Brecht, the ash, the shot bag a children. 176 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:38.119 Some laws of your boy says he go shooting, Donna choose a walking 177 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:47.680 the chains of rocket up the chill on the ship. The chain of rocking 178 00:18:48.000 --> 00:19:45.880 the ship is a U shap the chase shame you are You struggling to cope 179 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:52.359 with life. Conflict, bereavement, fear, relationship, anger, depression, 180 00:19:52.960 --> 00:20:00.920 negative thoughts, trauma and uncertainty can all cause emotional imbalance. 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So just before the piece 190 00:20:55.000 --> 00:21:00.680 of music, I was just explaining about our series bringing Down Strongholds. So 191 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:06.039 I'm going to hand over to Alison, who's sharing with us today, just 192 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:11.400 to kind of recap what we've gone over the last two weeks, if that's 193 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:15.880 okay, and then we can go into our topic about depression and I'll share 194 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.400 a few statistics about that. It's been of an opening as well. So 195 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:21.720 Allison, tell us a little bit about what we've covered so far in our 196 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:27.240 series. Okay, just by by word of recap. We've been talking about 197 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:33.039 bringing down strongholds, and we've been looking We started with an introduction a couple 198 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:37.160 of weeks ago, looking at what strongholds are, how they come about, 199 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:44.119 and how they kind of take hold and hold can hold us captive, and 200 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:49.160 you know the kind of cycle of beliefs, maladaptive beliefs and negative thoughts, 201 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:56.000 negative emotions, and negative behaviors that can keep us in that cycle. We 202 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:03.559 talked about. We compared the strongholds as add to a fortified tower with very 203 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:10.240 high hold, of high walls of fortress and captive thoughts, and bringing down 204 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:15.880 these strongholds is really a spiritual thing, and we need spiritual weapons to bring 205 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:21.480 down the strongholds. So we have been relying on a text which is taken 206 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:26.319 from Second Corinthians ten three to five, which states, though we walk through 207 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.839 the though we walk in the flesh, we do not war against the flesh 208 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:36.000 for the weapons of our warfare, and not cannot help but Mighty in God 209 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:41.200 for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself 210 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:47.920 against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of 211 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.119 Christ. So we are looking at how we bring down the strongholds. And 212 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.559 the main reason we are doing this is because we want to live life more 213 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:00.960 abundantly. Christ said in John ten, I have come that they may have 214 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:07.880 life and have it more abundantly. So abundant living is about having good mental, 215 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:12.240 emotional, physical, and spiritual health. And so we've been looking at 216 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:19.960 how we bring down these stronghold from a spiritual and Christian perspective. We've looked 217 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:26.480 at worry here and anxiety last week, and today we're going to be looking 218 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:30.960 at how we bring down the stronghold of depression. Wonderful, thank you. 219 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:34.759 Now, I know there was a lot of lot of information that we have 220 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:41.359 covered defuty comics and you know, we talked about anxiety fore and worry and 221 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:48.200 actually how easy we can kind of let our thoughts overtake us and you know, 222 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:51.920 give they we start to think about something, we ruminate on that and 223 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:55.759 how it moves forward. Say, before we go into talking about depression, 224 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:59.440 is there anything that you want to kind of highlight or anything you want to 225 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:04.880 bring back that you've taken from what we talked about so far? Well, 226 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:10.920 yes, thank you. There were a few nuggets, golden nuggets if you 227 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.039 were, if you will, from what has been shed already, and one 228 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.519 of them that stuck out for me was Allison, you mentioned that thoughts are 229 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.279 just thoughts, and that resonated with me. Thoughts are just thoughts, but 230 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:26.720 can become strongholds. So they start as thoughts, and what we are not 231 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.079 to do is let our thoughts take over. We are to control our thoughts 232 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:34.559 and our thoughts, not to control us, And that I think resonated with 233 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.960 me and so many others. I think at this point I can also share 234 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:42.880 that I got feedback from some of our listeners. This one lady in particular 235 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:47.799 said that she had listened to the program and she was so grateful because it 236 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:52.799 spurred her to make a couple of calls. She'd been avoiding her creditors, 237 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:59.359 worrying, stressing all sorts, and at the end of the program, she 238 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:03.200 I think found the courage or decided that, you know what, she just 239 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.240 has to go and make the call. Whatever comes out of it, she 240 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:10.920 needs to take action, and she did and was able to make arrangements that 241 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:15.640 suited her. So she you know, she was singing our praises and Allison, 242 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.079 she's you know, saying how grateful she is for what you've shared so 243 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.759 far, and she is also listening in today. Oh that's amazing, thank 244 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:25.079 you. Yeah, I did. Actually, as you said about feedback, 245 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.880 I did as well. Something it was I speak somebody and again, you 246 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:32.440 know, thought the program was amazing and definitely they've learnt a lot, so 247 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.119 that's really really good to hear. And as she said, then, yeah, 248 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:38.160 sometimes, you know, we can worry about things, and I remember 249 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:41.240 I remember rightly sort of putting a quote saying, you know, worrying is 250 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.079 like walking around with an umbrella waiting for it to rain. Sometimes we can 251 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:49.759 stop ourselves from doing something because of you know, the fear that things are 252 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.720 going to be possibly much worse. So we think they are, but actually 253 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.599 sometimes when we actually stop worrying, as it were, And I said, 254 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.279 just said them done, but actually then yeah, and do something, you 255 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.440 know, things can be solved so much easier and quicker, et cetera. 256 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:07.680 So yeah, really I think that's the hypothetical worry am I am? I 257 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:18.319 right? I was taking I know, that's amazing. So that's cool. 258 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.720 So we're moving on to this week dealing with depression, and I was kind 259 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:26.920 of looking at this now again, depression is another of those words I'm going 260 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:30.759 to say that sort of the mental health lingo as it were, that's often 261 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:37.279 used and sometimes I often find sort of us possibly and correctly, but you 262 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.440 know, it's a very probably one of the most prevalent mental health disorders. 263 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:41.400 And I know I'm not going to go into too much because you're maybe just 264 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:44.680 covering some of this, but I wanted to kind of look at some of 265 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:49.119 the statistics about depression and I was looking I came across a study by an 266 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:53.480 organization called Champion Health and they were saying that it affects one in six adults 267 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:59.279 in the UK, and it's often associated with other mental health disorders, sometimes 268 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:06.240 issues loardliness, etc. Women are twice as likely to experience depression than men. 269 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.559 However, fifteen percent of women receive treatment compared to only nine percent of 270 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.039 men. And maybe you can unpack that for us elstiness or why that possibly 271 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:22.960 is the case. The rates of depression are significantly higher than they were prior 272 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:27.119 to the pandemic, and we do know that due to the pandemic, mental 273 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:33.079 health difficulties and issues were on the rise. And you know, it was 274 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.759 saying that seventeen percent of adults in the UK experienced some form of depression around 275 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.680 that summer of twenty twenty one, compared to only just ten percent before the 276 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:48.519 pandemic. So it's definitely a public health issue and it presents so many challenges 277 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:55.640 for different organizations, and obviously for this company, they were looking at the 278 00:27:55.759 --> 00:28:00.920 workplace especially, so the impact of that as well. So it's definitely definitely 279 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.440 a good topic for us to be looking at. So I'm going to hand 280 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.920 over to you, Allison, to kind of unpack that and why depression has 281 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:14.799 become such a stronghold for many people's lives. Okay, thank you so much, 282 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:22.759 Angela, So thank you for also that introduction and the statistics behind depression 283 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.519 just to put things in context. So, yeah, this is a public 284 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.160 health issue. So what is depression. Let's start with you know, looking 285 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:36.960 at what depression is. Depression is actually a mood disorder. It's when we 286 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:44.240 feel consistently low, which causes a negative impact on our daily life for at 287 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.960 least two weeks. So it's not just having a bad day or just you 288 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.680 know, something's gone wrong and we don't feel too good today. It's got 289 00:28:52.720 --> 00:29:02.160 to be persistent for at least two weeks. It leads to disability. It's 290 00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:08.119 a major contributor of like global disease and illness. So depression is normally co 291 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:17.119 morbid with other things other either physical health issues or mental health issues, maybe 292 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:22.640 anxiety, low self esteem, eating disorders, you name it. And there 293 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:27.680 are different types of depression that people experience. So like last week we looked 294 00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:33.519 at different types of anxiety disorders, there are also different types of depression. 295 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.960 So in terms of types of depression, I'm just going to quickly run through 296 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:45.359 what the common depressive disorders are. I'm not going to test anybody. At 297 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.599 the end of this is that and you will not remember all of them. 298 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:55.319 This is just so that people are aware that there are different types of depression 299 00:29:55.640 --> 00:30:00.400 that people suffer from. So we have what we call major depression, and 300 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:07.079 this is quite common. This is also known as clinical depression or unipolar depression, 301 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:10.680 and this is when you feel sad, you feel down, you feel 302 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:15.119 miserable most of the time. You kind of the things that you enjoy doing, 303 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.960 you no longer enjoy doing those things. You lose interest in the things 304 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:25.839 that you normally enjoy doing, and you know, it's it can be persistent, 305 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.279 and it can be chronic for some people. And under kind of major 306 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:36.160 depression, you can have what we call melancholia, which will look at in 307 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:42.359 a minute. You can have psychotic or antiinatal or postonatal depression. And normally, 308 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.240 when you go to see the GP and you say, well, you 309 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.400 know, I've been feeling quite low, it's been going on for a period 310 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:53.839 of time, they will normally give you a questionnaire to feel in. Maybe 311 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:59.359 some people have come across that. It's called the PHQ nine questionnaire, and 312 00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:03.680 it's got nine questions and it just kind of looks at your mood, how 313 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:10.240 you felt over the past couple of weeks, sleeping, eating, general activities. 314 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:12.559 And you know, there's a skill of zero to three, and that 315 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:18.960 way they're determine whether your depression is mild, or whether it's moderate, or 316 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:26.039 whether it's severe. So when people have major depression, normally the GP or 317 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:33.359 normally a mental health practitioner will try to determine the severity of the depression. 318 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:38.599 So we have, I said, under major depression, we have melancholia, 319 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:45.319 and this is really severe depression, and this normally does come with physical symptoms, 320 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.839 so you might this might cause you to kind of move more slowly than 321 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.000 you normally kind of move. You feel sad, you feel down, you 322 00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.119 feel miserable, and you may not be able to enjoy it anything. You 323 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:06.079 may not be able to find pleasure in anything. This numbness that you feel, 324 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:10.160 which is persistent for at least a couple of weeks, is kind of 325 00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:17.960 one of the main features of melancholia. So it's quite debilitating, not great. 326 00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:24.400 And then we have psychotic depression, and this is really where you feel 327 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:31.079 so low but you lose touch with reality or sometimes people experience psychosis. And 328 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:37.000 you know, when we talk about psychosis, we're talking about hallucinations. Maybe 329 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:42.960 you're seeing or hearing things that are not actually there in reality, or people 330 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:47.160 might have delusions which is normally a false belief, so you believe something that 331 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:52.799 nobody else believes, and this could be something good or it could be something 332 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:57.400 bad. For example, you think you're being watched, you're being followed, 333 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:04.319 but that's really not happening. It's there's a strong belief maybe that something big 334 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.559 is going to happen, but you know that's that's not the case. And 335 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:13.559 also we have under psychotic depression, we have paranoia, which is where you 336 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:19.400 feel like you know everyone's against you and you believe that other people might make 337 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.799 you fall ill or like cause bad things to happen to you, so you 338 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:29.240 feel paranoid all the time. So those are the kind of symptoms of psychotic 339 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:34.880 depression. And then, like I said, we have antiinatal and postonatal depression, 340 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:40.640 and normally this is depression that's happening during pregnancy or in the first year 341 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:51.440 after somebody's had a baby, so we with under postnatal depression. We can 342 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:57.960 have kind of also we can have antenatal or prenatal depression, which is happening 343 00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:04.119 during pregnancy, or very natal depression, which is happening any time during pregnancy 344 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:08.679 or in the first year after the child has been born. We also have 345 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:15.760 what we call dys themic disorder, which is long term depression which will last 346 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:21.599 for at least two years. The symptoms are quite similar to major depression, 347 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:25.360 but a bit less severe than major so you might feel quite low, quite 348 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:32.599 sad, but it doesn't feel as debilitating as major depression. And then a 349 00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:37.639 lot of people would have heard of bipolar disorder, and this is when we 350 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:45.639 experience periods of feeling sad, feeling low, kind of losing motivation. But 351 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:52.360 then those are kind of happening with periods or other periods of mania where we 352 00:34:52.480 --> 00:35:00.880 feel high and we feel like characteristically active and motivated and do things that are 353 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:06.639 kind of really out of character. Somebody who has bipolar will have at least 354 00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:10.639 a period of kind of wanting to spend a lot of money, going shopping 355 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:15.360 excessively, having a lot of energy, doing things that they wouldn't normally do, 356 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:22.239 find it very very difficult to focus on tasks, will feel really good 357 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.480 at times, have lots of energy, lots of thoughts, lots of idea. 358 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:31.239 Would feel frustrated and irritable, and then all of a sudden there will 359 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:37.119 be a day the feel sad, the field demotivated, You don't feel like 360 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.360 talking to anybody, don't feel like doing things that they would normally do. 361 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:46.719 So that's bipolar. And then we have psyclothemic disorder, which also is similar 362 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:52.119 to bipolar, but it's not as severe and it's long term lasts typically for 363 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:59.559 a period of at least two years. And then we also have seasonal effective 364 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:04.920 disorder order. This actually is a mood disorder, just depending on the seasons. 365 00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:10.280 So normally when we have the longer nights and the shorter days when the 366 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:16.239 weather changes, some people experience a lack of energy, maybe sleep too much, 367 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:22.320 maybe you know, eat too much, prey for things like carbohydrates, 368 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:27.400 just don't feel motivated, feel quite low. So those are the major kind 369 00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:32.280 of general types of depression that we have there, so you know, quite 370 00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:37.719 a few different types of depressive disorder, but normally, you know the in 371 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:43.119 summary, the common kind of symptoms are that we have low mood most of 372 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.360 the day, We feel kind of disinterested in doing the things that we would 373 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.880 normally do. There's changes in our weight, either we gain quite a bit 374 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:58.000 of weight or we lose quite a bit of weight. We have difficulties sleeping, 375 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:02.320 we feel fatigue, loss of energy, we don't feel worthy, we 376 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:07.800 feel quite worthless, and we feel guilty, might feel feel a lot of 377 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.679 guilt and shame. And if we find it very difficult to kind of make 378 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:19.719 decisions, find it difficult to concentrate, and when it gets really severe, 379 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:25.440 for a lot of people, people will have recurring thoughts of suicide, taking 380 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.559 their own lives, death, you know, that sort of thing, preoccupied 381 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:35.360 with thinking about death, dying, taking their own lives. So, depression 382 00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:40.159 is quite an extensive mental health issue, and a lot of people out there 383 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:47.280 are suffering one type of depressive disorder or another. I'm just going to kind 384 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.880 of pause there because I've just kind of said a lot in a short period 385 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:59.039 of time, and I'll hand over to you Angela for now cool. So 386 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:01.559 thank you for that saying, yes, there's definitely a lot of different depression 387 00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:07.800 depression disorders and that banner. But I go into another piece of music. 388 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:16.760 Are there any particular misconceptions around depression that we should address, because you've sort 389 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:21.960 of, you know, highlighted quite a lot there, and you start off 390 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.199 by saying that, you know, it's it's a lot more than just low 391 00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.800 mood or some of those other symptoms. Obviously, something that's going to impact 392 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:30.639 you over a longer period of time. But are they kind of sort of 393 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:32.840 because I know with the stats that I was saying, you know, as 394 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:37.800 much as people may be suffering these or having these symptoms, many people don't 395 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:42.400 try and get help. Is there exactly because there are any particular stigmas or 396 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.239 misconceptions around that at all? Yeah, thank you. That's a really good 397 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:51.920 question, really important question. There is a lot of stigma around depression, 398 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:57.440 around mental health, and I think the problem is that people don't actually realize 399 00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.320 that when somebody is suffering from depression, it's not it's not a choice, 400 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:05.119 it's not because they can't be bo that. Normally, there's some there's a 401 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:12.719 lot that kind of underlies the depression. So normally what you look at last 402 00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:19.280 week we had we looked at the iceberg for anxiety and again for depression. 403 00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.559 There is an iceberg that we can kind of look at, and normally what 404 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:28.039 people are seeing at the tip of the iceberg is that the person is quite 405 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.679 the person is never so maybe avoidant, maybe some of these crying all the 406 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:35.079 time, the seam low, it is quite low, that kind of not 407 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:39.039 wanting to socialize or talk to people, but actually, you know, there 408 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:45.760 are there are quite significant things that normally would have happened, and it could 409 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:51.079 be that things have happened over a long period of time that have not been 410 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:57.199 addressed, and so depression normally it's a lot of the time is there's there's 411 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:02.480 an imbalance of the chemical in the brain and something needs to be done. 412 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:07.960 There needs to be treatment to get the person back up and running. So 413 00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:14.039 it's not people wanting to kind of not be bothered, or it's not people 414 00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:17.880 being lazy or not wanting to work hard or not wanting to concentrate. Depression 415 00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:25.199 is a very severe illness and needs somebody who is a professional to look into 416 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:30.599 it and help people. And you know, underneath the tip of that eyesberg 417 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:34.960 work could be helplessness, could be something who is confused, something who is 418 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:39.039 scared, somebody who is who feels rejected, who feels lonely, who feels 419 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:45.039 lost, and maybe is carrying a lot of shame, a lot of guilt, 420 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:50.280 a lot of hopelessness. Is really characteristic when somebody is depressed, you 421 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:54.199 know, they feel very hopeless. They feel like there's no point going on, 422 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:59.679 there's no point in doing anything. The future looks bleak, they don't 423 00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.760 think much about themselves, or they don't think much about life in general. 424 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:08.480 So it's not something that people choose. It's not an illness that people choose 425 00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:13.360 to have. It's quite serious and a lot of the time people are crying 426 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.760 out wanting to stop feeling this load, to stop feeling this way. And 427 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:24.360 it's really important that we are sense tape where compassionate when we start to notice 428 00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:29.599 that people are not the way they normally are, or not engaging in some 429 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.079 of the things that because we don't always they're not always going to say we're 430 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:37.559 depressed or we feel low, but sometimes we can pick up some of those 431 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:43.119 signs on some of those symptoms and start to look out for them. Okay, 432 00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:45.320 cool, which brings you nicely into a piece of music that I'm going 433 00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:50.599 to play now. This is kirkkar I almost let go, And as you 434 00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.039 were pointing out, sometimes there was you know, it's a serious illness and 435 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:58.440 one that you know we do need help for, but ultimately we are putting 436 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.840 our trust and hoping God he would indeed keep us. So this is cat 437 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:12.079 Car I almost let go. Mercy kept me, so I wouldn't let go 438 00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.320 anybody in here ever felt like giving up, just throwing in the towel, 439 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.960 just giving up. I'm not going to ask you to hunt anybody, but 440 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:27.199 just look at him. That person you're looking at is here tonight only because 441 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:31.199 of God's mercy and his grace. Somebody only just tell God, thank you 442 00:42:31.320 --> 00:43:09.480 for your mercy and your grace set kept me ball. My arm had passion, 443 00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:23.119 way me done. God help me close, So God's mercy count me. 444 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:30.920 Can I get a witness in here so I wouldn't cool? I almost 445 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:44.880 gave her most Okay, I was riding the edge of the break through A 446 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:58.400 couldn't see de really hang me. But she's stame and grabbed me, and 447 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.880 God's mercy kept me. God, Can I get a witness in here that 448 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:47.199 knows about God's grace? So I'm here today because of his great come on, 449 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:50.719 hunt somebody next to tell me I was really down. I was really 450 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.000 down. The devil really hadn't but God's mercy kept me. I'm here tonight 451 00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:59.280 because of God's mercy. Come on, nod, just thank him, just 452 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:15.119 thank him. I oh, let Coles. I felt like I just couldn't 453 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:30.920 take a lot anymore. My problems heavy now depression away. Now, God 454 00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:44.239 help me. So I wouldn't lift a God mercy healthy, so I wouldn't 455 00:45:44.320 --> 00:46:32.880 live all. So now go there kill me. She did say, girl, 456 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:43.760 oh you you, You don't know what I can do and how I 457 00:46:43.840 --> 00:47:04.320 would know lesson happened so far down I didn't know who looks Yeah, but 458 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:16.280 all to be much that's the song my mama Tom Yeah, yeah, yeah, 459 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:39.119 yeah. He kept me. Yeah, yes, God kept me. 460 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:44.199 I'm allowed saying because of his grace. Oh he kept me. God kept 461 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:50.320 me. Important words there just testimony to the grace and most that we have 462 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.239 with God. Now you're here at an Adventist Radio London for a talking point 463 00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:00.800 and we are continuing with our series bringing down Strongholds. On today we are 464 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:05.239 looking at depression and how we deal with depression as a stronghold. If you'd 465 00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:07.639 like to join in the conversation, please do join us if you can. 466 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:10.559 If you have any thoughts, comments, there's various ways of which you can 467 00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.239 do that. We've got a Zoom call on at the moment, so if 468 00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:16.920 you'd like to join us on zoom, you're very welcome. The ID number 469 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:23.079 is seven seven one nine three eight six two zero nine that's seven seven one 470 00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:29.400 nine three eight six two zero nine. Or if you'd like to email us, 471 00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:35.800 you can do so at emailing studio at Adventist Radio dot to London, 472 00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:40.920 or you can text us on eight triple eight write hope and then your message, 473 00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:47.480 or you can whatsappers on zero seven four five nine six four to eight 474 00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:52.920 nine eights. So if you have any thoughts on doing the depression, please 475 00:48:52.000 --> 00:49:00.400 do contribute to our conversation. So we've just been talking, was just basically 476 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:07.199 gone through what depression is and the various different disorders that sort of our under 477 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:13.639 the umbrella term depression, of which there are many, and again some of 478 00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.559 those were quite familiar for me. I'd heard of some of those before. 479 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:20.280 There's a few that i'd never really necessarily not really heard of, already thought 480 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.679 about. And some of the symptoms as well, I guess it wasn't aware 481 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:28.679 of. You're talking about the sort of psychotic depression, depression in terms of 482 00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:36.159 the hallucinations, the paranoia, had necessarily thought about those. It's quite interesting 483 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:38.280 that actually you mentioned about sad as well, So this time of the year, 484 00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:45.960 that's definitely one that's quite prevalent. I remember rightly, I think this 485 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:52.440 Monday coming is as dubbed Blue Monday, that sort of third week in January. 486 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:57.440 People are definitely feeling feeling very low, especially the weather's not great. 487 00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:01.320 So that's definitely what I've definitely heard of as well. So definitely, as 488 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:07.159 you mentioned at the beginning, is definitely a public health crisis. Many people 489 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:10.199 are suffering from this. But for many people, how does it become a 490 00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:15.800 stronghold for them? It's an illness, but how does that have that come 491 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:21.960 about? Okay, so that thank you for that. That's a kind of 492 00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:28.559 good segue into the next. So we've talked before about you know, having 493 00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:35.760 having negative kind of underlying beliefs, and you know, for some people it's 494 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:39.920 perhaps maybe something that's happened in the past, or maybe something that's happened suddenly, 495 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.480 you know, losing a loved one, having a baby, major life 496 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:51.639 change. Maybe it's messages that they've heard over and over again that are that 497 00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:55.440 are negative that take hold, and then you know, people will then start 498 00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:01.599 to believe believe for example, that you know, maybe there's no hope for 499 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:07.559 the future, or maybe they are not good enough, or maybe other people 500 00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:14.599 are always never to be trusted or always going to let them down. There's 501 00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:21.039 there's a kind of normally an underlying belief and this is not something that most 502 00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:25.760 people will notice has happened, But on a day to day basis, what 503 00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:31.679 will what they will experience will be maybe negative thoughts such as, you know, 504 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:38.000 kind of being very critical about themselves or about other people. Being consumed 505 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:43.000 with negative thoughts, thinking something along the lines of well, you know, 506 00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:46.119 I've messed up again, or there's no point or nobody likes me, you 507 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.719 know. Then there's the kind of cycle that starts to form where the negative 508 00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:57.079 thoughts then translate to negative feelings or emotions such as, you know, not 509 00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:01.960 feeling motivated, not feeling interested, you know, feeling quite sad, slowing 510 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:09.119 down, feeling tired, and then that kind of translates again to you know, 511 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:14.559 what people do or not do, which are the behaviors. So when 512 00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:21.400 somebody is thinking negatively and feeling negative emotions, then there's a tendency to really 513 00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:27.039 want to isolate themselves, not really socialized with other people, maybe cut themselves 514 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:30.639 off from other people, not going out much, not doing much, and 515 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:35.239 in you know, these behaviors again what we call safety behaviors are behaviors that 516 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:37.880 make us feel safe in that moment, make us feel well, we feel 517 00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:40.639 low, We don't really want to see people, We don't really you know, 518 00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:45.760 this is kind of comfortable and safe, and so we will withdraw, 519 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:52.360 we will isolate ourselves. But you know, the behaviors then will reinforce the 520 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.440 negative thoughts. So the more time you have by yourself, especially when you're 521 00:52:55.440 --> 00:53:00.760 feeling sad, you're feeling low, is that you know that time is spent 522 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:06.719 being even more self critical, feeling even more hopeless, and then that kind 523 00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:12.000 of reinforces negative emotions again, and that's that becomes a vicious cycle. So 524 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:19.559 that that's really how you know depression takes hold as a stronghold. Okay, 525 00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.480 Okay, cool, Okay, So I want to hand back over to you 526 00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.800 on that one. I know that's a that was a long answer to your 527 00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:32.480 question, Angela, and you're need that's fun. Sorry, I was just 528 00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:36.320 I was just saying that's fun. Hopefully that's going to say you said, 529 00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:40.239 segue into your next section about it being a stronghold. But again, I'm 530 00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:45.400 sort of you know, thinking about how something maybe can maybe a small a 531 00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.239 small thing if it's a traumatic experience, becomes such a big hold that big 532 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.199 thing that then takes over and impacts your life going forward. So right back 533 00:53:53.239 --> 00:54:04.159 to you, Alison. Okay, so just looking at because we were talking 534 00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:08.079 about depression as a stronghold, but depression is not always a stronghold. You 535 00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:14.280 know, we can also have depression as a kind of like a physical problem. 536 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:20.880 So I think it's important that it can start off as a physical issue, 537 00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:25.559 physical health issue, but then end up as a stronghold. I've just 538 00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:30.760 talked about depression as a stronghold, so let's look at the difference between looking 539 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:36.320 at depression as a stronghold versus looking at different depression as a kind of physical 540 00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:40.840 problem, so as a stronghold. When we talk about depression from a spiritual 541 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:45.760 perspective, we're talking about you know, depression really being as a result of 542 00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:52.559 sin. And sometimes that's something that's where we've done something wrong, or not 543 00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.039 necessarily we have done something wrong, some other people might have done something to 544 00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.920 us. So if you think about a child who is helpless, who isn't 545 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:07.159 treated well by the adults around them, you know, that's other people doing 546 00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.840 things that are wrong. So you know that might end up in depression, 547 00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:15.719 but it's not because they have done something wrong, or it could just be 548 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:22.199 you know, because in our environment that things happening that are not great. 549 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:24.679 So if you think about you know, if you're in a war zone and 550 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:30.000 the environment is quite hostile, it's not something that you've done wrong, it's 551 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:35.840 just the secondmstances in that environment. But you know, when we talk about 552 00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:38.639 sin, we really want to look about look at you know, if you 553 00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:44.719 think about how sin came about, you think about the fall in Genesis chapter 554 00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:49.719 three, think about the story of Kin and Able. In Genesis chapter four, 555 00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:57.159 the Bible starts to introduce emotions such as shames such as fear, anger, 556 00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:02.400 depression, Shame when Maneath noticed that they were without clothes, without without 557 00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:07.760 covering, Fear when you know, they didn't know what was going to happen 558 00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:15.039 to them, Anger when Kin noticed that his offering was not accepted by God 559 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:20.800 but his brothers was. And depression when he actually killed his brother. So 560 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:25.559 you know, these emotions came as a result of singing from a spiritual perspective, 561 00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.840 you know, we we kind of start to see these emotions from really 562 00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:37.880 from the kind of starting books of the of the Bible, so that that 563 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:45.400 then takes hold generations after that have experienced and and really the enemy uses these 564 00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:50.840 these types of emotions to keep us held down, to keep us captive. 565 00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:55.199 Depression can be as a result of something that's happened in the past. Angela, 566 00:56:55.280 --> 00:57:00.039 you talked about something traumatic that's happened, and in terms of from a 567 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:06.360 spiritual perspective, the enemy will like to just replay that in the mind over 568 00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:10.760 and over again. It's like you have a replay button and just keep pressing 569 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:17.119 on that button just so that we can remember what happened. And over time 570 00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:23.599 we start to see life through very dark lenses and we don't see any hope, 571 00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:30.000 we don't see any positivity, we're not motivated, and that kind of 572 00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:36.639 cycle of negative thoughts, negative feelings, negative emotions is happening again. Depression 573 00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:42.320 can also happen when in terms of a stronghold with problems that are kind of 574 00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:45.880 happening now, so present problems. It doesn't always have to be something in 575 00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:51.639 the past. Present problems perceived in a way that where we think, well, 576 00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.039 there's no way out of this, you know, if that's if that's 577 00:57:54.199 --> 00:58:00.800 how we perceive the problem, if that's how we interpret what what's happening in 578 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.719 our lives, in a very negative way. Then you know, that gets 579 00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:13.239 kind of held in our minds as a very negative event and keeps being played 580 00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:15.639 as a very negative event, and that can make us very low, very 581 00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:21.360 depressed. We can also have fear of the future. So last week we 582 00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:25.159 looked at anxiety and we talked about the fact that we have this innate desire 583 00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:30.000 to want to be in control of what happens in the future, and it 584 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:35.360 were consumed by the fear that something's going to go wrong because maybe something went 585 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:38.119 wrong in the past, or because we've watched something or we've read something that 586 00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:42.840 tells us something's going to go wrong, and why we keep asking ourselves, 587 00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:45.800 well, what if this happened, What if that happened? That's bad? 588 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:50.039 Then we have this were consumed And you know, if you think about about 589 00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:53.800 being anxious constantly, that starts to get you down. You start to feel 590 00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:59.239 quite low, you start to feel hopeless for the future. So depression as 591 00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:06.559 a stronghold is founded onlines that repeat and magnify themselves in the mind. Let's 592 00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:13.480 talk about the depression as a kind of physical, physical problem. So you 593 00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:22.960 know, sometimes people are born with kind of biological genetic genetic issues and you 594 00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:29.480 know, which means that they can have chemical imbalances. So sometimes this is 595 00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:36.800 a this is a biological problem. And if some people are more likely to 596 00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:42.000 suffer depression, especially if there's a trauma that happens in their life. So 597 00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:47.880 especially if they're involved, for example, in an accident, or they're abused, 598 00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:53.920 may be physically abused or emotionally or sexually abused, then there might be 599 00:59:53.960 --> 01:00:00.199 a higher likelihood that they will suffer from depression, or just there is alt 600 01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:05.480 of an accident might mean that your brain chemicals are altered and that you know 601 01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:10.719 your wills offer from depression. It could be situational, so it could be 602 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:16.719 breathement. It could be postpartum, like we've talked about changes in the in 603 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:23.599 the season, or past trauma that causes an imbalance of the kind of serotonin 604 01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:30.079 or the dopamine that we need in the brain to keep us feeling motivated or 605 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:35.480 to keep us feeling a sense of pleasure. When people around us tell lies, 606 01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:39.920 you know, that can feel depression and actually make us start to feel 607 01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:46.000 quite low. Or you know, we we when when we experience illnesses where 608 01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:52.400 we maybe physical health. In illnesses, we might need kind of medical interventions. 609 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:55.079 If you're in that situation for a long time, you start to feel 610 01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:59.639 low, you start to feel depressed. So you know, there's a close 611 01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:04.760 link between depression as a physical problem and depression as a stronghold. It takes 612 01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:09.480 hold when we we don't treat it as a physical problem, when we continue 613 01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:15.039 to kind of keep ourselves in that negative cycle, that that then becomes a 614 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:20.440 problem. So, yes, sometimes it's a physical it's a physical kind of 615 01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:27.039 condition that's happening, and we need a kind of medical treatment, medical intervention. 616 01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:30.400 We might need medication to sort it out. And sometimes it's purely kind 617 01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:36.559 of like negative things that are formed beliefs in our minds and that keep get 618 01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:42.280 getting played back and then kind of really becomes more of a spiritual spiritual issue 619 01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:49.480 where the enemy uses that to to keep us down when we kind of we 620 01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:54.880 just just to talk about how we manage depression when it's like a physical thing. 621 01:01:55.480 --> 01:02:01.719 So it's really important that we we have a structure in our lives, 622 01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:08.559 we have a routine, and that we engage in kind of activities that ensure 623 01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:15.039 that we're looking after our physical health while keeping our bodies well, maybe making 624 01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:20.480 sure we get enough rest, making sure we get enough exercise, making sure 625 01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:25.079 we're eating well, taking the supplements that we need to take, and exercise, 626 01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:30.239 for example, gives us the endorphins, which are the happy hormones that 627 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:36.760 we need to keep us feeling good, feeling happy. So it's really really 628 01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:40.119 important that we're looking after our bodies. But it's also important that we are 629 01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:45.880 doing things that give us a sense of achievement, so things like work, 630 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:51.920 but obviously not working excessively. Maybe that course that you've always wanted to do, 631 01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:54.079 or that thing that you've always wanted to learn, or maybe that diy 632 01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:58.400 that you've always kind of needed to do. Something that's going to make you 633 01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:02.599 feel like you've achieved something. That's really really important because that gives us the 634 01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:08.679 natural dopamine that we need that makes us feel good about ourselves. So the 635 01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:15.719 sense of competence, the sense of achievement is really very important. And then 636 01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:20.280 we also need to make sure that we're engaging in kind of social activities, 637 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:27.400 so connecting with other people, making sure that we're socializing and making sure that 638 01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:31.199 we feel a sense of belonging. That's really really important because it gives us 639 01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:37.280 the oxytocin that we need, which is the chemical in the brain that makes 640 01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:42.719 us feel loved and makes us feel a sense of belonging and connection. These 641 01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:50.079 hormones are really really important to kind of balance the chemicals in the brain and 642 01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:53.159 make us feel positive and make us feel good. And then we also need 643 01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:58.440 to engage in activities that give us a sense of pleasure, things that we 644 01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:04.360 enjoy doing. Maybe so gardening, maybe some reading, maybe music, anything 645 01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:09.320 that we enjoy doing. It could be arts and craft. You know, 646 01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:14.880 something that gives you a sense of pleasure gives your brain the serotonin that it 647 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:18.400 needs to make you feel pleasurable, to make you feel happy. So, 648 01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:26.480 you know, in terms of managing depression from like physical from a physical problem 649 01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:31.239 or where the source is physical, then we need a does dopamine, oxytocin, 650 01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:39.679 serotonin and endolphins of balanced life and structured life. I'm just going to 651 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:45.480 pause there, and next we'll have a look at bringing down depression as a 652 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:49.000 stronghold. Back to you, Angela, thank you, any thoughts there's any 653 01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:55.920 at all Before I go into expiss music as always un scribbling, So it's 654 01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:03.360 oxytocin dopamine, Ratze. I know, Alison, you made the slides available 655 01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:06.960 to us and I'm sure if anyone's listening, we can definitely, if with 656 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:12.360 your permission, pass them on to those who are interested. It really is 657 01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:17.559 a lot of good information in here, very past, but happy to share, 658 01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:24.079 happy to share the information, fabulous for me. And I think it 659 01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:27.119 really is important what you listen to, what you are part of, because 660 01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:30.679 even just talking about depression can sort of bring that kind of mood. And 661 01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:35.039 I was anxious for you to get on to how we can we can deal 662 01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:40.159 with depression and fight depression. I'm glad that you and I think it's worth 663 01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:44.039 reiterating that we need to, you know, exercise, and we need a 664 01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:46.800 sense of achievement, and we need to do social activities because I know we 665 01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:53.199 know it, but sometimes we forget or we don't prioritize these things. Angela. 666 01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:58.079 We say on that you know, we're busy and we're rushing around and 667 01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:00.039 we're trying to do what needs to be done, but may not be taking 668 01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:04.440 the time out to do the things that we enjoy or you know, who 669 01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:09.719 have time for exercising, for instance. But I'm really glad that you said 670 01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:13.679 that, and I think it's worth reiterating that these are the things that we 671 01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:16.920 need to do to counter some of the moods and the feelings that may have 672 01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:23.519 us in a very dark place. And I also wanted to add there maybe 673 01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:27.679 and I know you'll come to that later, that there are you spoke about 674 01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:30.039 the structure that we need to have in place and the support that we need 675 01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:34.639 to have in place, and I'm looking forward to maybe unpacking that a little 676 01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:39.960 bit more too. Yeah, and I definitely love the idea of having a 677 01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:44.119 dose, you know, doing the things that would bring about those happy horbones 678 01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:48.760 and you know, don't put meine oxytocin serotonin to kind of and that will 679 01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:53.719 help with the endolphins. So yeah, definitely a dose of all of those 680 01:06:53.920 --> 01:07:00.559 that good stuff as it were. Indeed unshine music definitely. So I'm going 681 01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:02.119 to go to a piece of music by Lauren Degel. You say, now 682 01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:06.960 again the lyrics on this You mentioned about how you know, our thoughts can 683 01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:12.239 become this and sometimes you're fighting those voices and things that we're spoken, that 684 01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.679 we're taught, the things that I said to us, those events that sometimes 685 01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:18.639 can bring us down. But obviously we want to believe that actually there is 686 01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:21.320 a better way, There is another way. So this is laurendegele. You 687 01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:43.559 say, I keep fighting voices in my mind, theay I'm not no, 688 01:07:49.480 --> 01:08:03.719 every single lie that tells me I will never men. Am I more than 689 01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:16.479 just the sum of every high and then every low? Remind me who wants 690 01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:25.520 a kind? Just who I am? Because I need to know? Oh 691 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:38.039 you say when I can't feel him? You say I'm sure when I think 692 01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:46.359 I'm weak? Can you say I am when I'm fall shot? And when 693 01:08:46.560 --> 01:09:00.119 I don't be an? Who you say your hen dobby haby what you say 694 01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:13.960 me? I believe the only thing that matters now is everything you think of 695 01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:27.359 me. And you are find by word any who I find my ideaity? 696 01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:43.359 You say when I can't feel thing? You say shut when I think come? 697 01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:53.760 Can you say well when I am fashow where not top it all? 698 01:09:54.800 --> 01:10:15.800 Whill you say when I shop? But you say a meeting? Harmony taking 699 01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:30.359 all I have and no harmony at your feet? You have every failure. 700 01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:46.159 God you have a revy too. Oh you said when I can't feeling You 701 01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:58.560 say shorts when I think come with? You say when I'm so a shot? 702 01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:26.079 Well? Double? How you say what you say? Really? What 703 01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:53.319 you say? Melea Laren Deacle, you say, and in terms of what 704 01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:56.600 we're talking about, to say stronghold, sometimes there are those beliefs and those 705 01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:01.720 thoughts in our minds that tell us the completely within that God has for us. 706 01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:05.319 And it has song saying taken all I have and I'm laying it at 707 01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:09.279 your feet. You have every failure God, but he has the victory. 708 01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:16.359 So we're continuing with our discussion today about depression and as before that piece of 709 01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:19.800 music we were just talking about. Actually, it's an interesting thought. Actually 710 01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:25.359 I never really necessarily thought about this in terms of seeing depression as a stronghold 711 01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:30.520 versus being a physical situation, physical illness, which is quite interesting. That's 712 01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:33.560 quite interest in which we will discuss a little bit later. But I did 713 01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:35.920 love the fact that in terms of we looked at some ways in terms of 714 01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:44.760 managing and there was is the word in acronym newsletters in terms of managing depression, 715 01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:47.239 we need a dose. Basically, we want to do things that are 716 01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:56.039 going to bring about those happy hormones dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin and are endorphins 717 01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:00.840 to enable to manage depression, and the lots different things that Alison had mentioned 718 01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:08.479 around that. So Allison handing back to you in terms of our next steps 719 01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:14.239 in managing depression. Okay, Yeah, I just wanted to kind of revisit 720 01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:19.079 that and emphasize on the importance of having this balance, having a balance between 721 01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:26.000 you know, doing kind of activities that drive and motivate us, like work, 722 01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:32.439 and making sure that we're engaging in soothing activities as well as protective activities. 723 01:13:33.159 --> 01:13:43.159 The emotional brain kind of consists of different types of hormones for different functions, 724 01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:45.880 and we need to make sure that there's a balance. I think that 725 01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:51.439 society emphasizes a lot on working, and sometimes people almost take pride in just 726 01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:58.520 working hard and thinking actually of case a luxury. I just really want to 727 01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:02.000 reiterate that self care is not a luxury. It is a necessity. Because 728 01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:12.279 if you're working and you're not engaging in soothing, self compassionate activities, you're 729 01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:15.640 going to burn out. You're going to start feeling low, and you're going 730 01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:17.920 to fall ill, and then you're going to be very low, and then 731 01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:20.920 you're going to not be able to work and not be able to achieve, 732 01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:26.800 and then that's going to make you very low. So the emotional brain has 733 01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:30.920 kind of what we call the protective functions, and those are the functions that 734 01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:34.800 tell you when to keep safe. You know, if you're crossing the road 735 01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:40.800 that there's danger, and that's that kind of looks at the threat in the 736 01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:45.520 environment and tries to protect you. Sometimes when that's overactive, that's when we 737 01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:51.760 start to feel anxiety because that's disproportionate to the level of threat in the environment. 738 01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:57.760 And then we've got the motivational kind of side of the emotional brain, 739 01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:00.920 which is where the dopamain comes from, which makes us feel good when we 740 01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:05.880 work hard, when we achieve things, when we get the kind of qualifications 741 01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:10.680 that we've worked for, or we get promoted, or we get recognized, 742 01:15:10.760 --> 01:15:14.600 or we do the chore or the diy that we've always wanted to do. 743 01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:17.359 That's a good thing, but you know, we need to make sure that 744 01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:23.039 that's in the right proportion. So if you think about the kind of emotional 745 01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:29.119 brain as three circles, the kind of threat function, the motivational function, 746 01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:32.479 and the soothing function, those three circles need to be of the same size. 747 01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:38.640 If you're working all the time and you don't at the expense of the 748 01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:43.520 kind of soothing part of the emotional brain, then you're going to burn out. 749 01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:47.520 If you're over stimulated in terms of you know your threat and you're thinking 750 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:51.279 there's danger, then you're going to suffer anxiety. On the other hand, 751 01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:56.840 if all you're doing is just chilling out and you know, you know, 752 01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:00.359 taking a break and you're not doing any work, you're never going to feel 753 01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:04.479 a sense of achievement and you're going to get depressed. So it's really important 754 01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:09.199 that we have a balance. And sometimes people think, oh, I haven't 755 01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:13.159 got time to go to the spa and get a massage, but actually you 756 01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:15.560 need to do that. You need to do something that's going to soothe you, 757 01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:21.000 and because that's just how God made us. So I just really want 758 01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:26.159 to emphasize on that because it's really important. When people, you know, 759 01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:31.560 go to a medical professional or a mental health professional say very I'm feeling very 760 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:34.760 low, one of the first things that they ask you is, you know, 761 01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:39.359 tell me about how you spend your day. What do you do from 762 01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:41.640 when you wake up to when you go to bed, What are you doing, 763 01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:45.079 what are the activities that you're engaging in. And then we try to 764 01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:49.840 do what we call behavioral activation, which is getting you to do things that 765 01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:56.319 do things to ensure that there's that balance in your life. And sometimes you 766 01:16:56.399 --> 01:17:00.680 know, just by doing that regulate things again and can can cure depression without 767 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:05.880 medication. So you know, it's really really important. I just just really 768 01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:15.800 wanted to highlight that before I move on to dealing with depression as a stronghold. 769 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:19.720 So, dealing with depression as a stronghold, what do we need to 770 01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:24.640 do? We need first of all, we need to start by knowing knowing 771 01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:28.920 how that depression has come about, knowing the source of the depression. Is 772 01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:34.760 it spiritual, is it environmental or situational, or is it natural or biological? 773 01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:39.119 Because if we don't know, then you know, we don't know what 774 01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:43.640 kind how to deal with it. So it's it's really important to take the 775 01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:47.119 time out and just really reflect and think about, Okay, how has this 776 01:17:47.560 --> 01:17:55.359 come about? Depression normally will kind of as a stronghold will develop. We 777 01:17:55.760 --> 01:18:01.680 talk We've talked previously about a fortress having kind of walls, and when Paul 778 01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:09.800 talked about bringing down strongholds or pulling down strongholds, he talked about like he 779 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:14.600 was thinking about a fortress with very high walls, and he like and when 780 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:17.640 we talk about the strongholds. We think about the high walls of lies that 781 01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:21.520 have built in the mind over a period of time. And really, you 782 01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:27.800 cannot know how to defeat a lie until you know the truth. If you 783 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:30.159 know the truth, then you know how to tackle the lie. And Christ 784 01:18:30.319 --> 01:18:34.039 himself said in John eight thirty two, and you will know the truth, 785 01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:42.239 and the truth will set you free. So it's important to kind of acknowledge 786 01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:48.399 how you feel. Like you know, Angela mentioned normally there's a stigma around 787 01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:53.279 mental health, around depression, and you know, a lot of the stigma's 788 01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:56.960 a lie is to keep us in a place where we're trying to deny it. 789 01:18:57.079 --> 01:19:00.520 We're trying to ignore it. And you know, if if you try 790 01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:02.479 to deny it or ignore it, you're never going to address the problem. 791 01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:06.520 So you need to know the thing that's causing you to feel the way you 792 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:11.560 feel, and you need to know that the way you feel does not have 793 01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:15.199 the financy. But if you keep denying that, actually I'm feeling very low, 794 01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:18.880 and you know, you want to look like everything's fine. I know 795 01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:24.880 that as seven the Adventists, we have this habit of the way we creately 796 01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:29.279 say is we say happy Sabbath, Happy Sabbath to everybody. And sometimes when 797 01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:33.079 I see a Seven day Adventist outside of the Sabbath, I was I'm tempered 798 01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:36.600 to say happy Sabbath, and often I stop to think, actually, am 799 01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:41.560 I really happy? I know that I'm blessed, but you know, I 800 01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:45.479 might not always be happy, because happiness just depends on what's happening at that 801 01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:50.520 time. So we need to kind of try not to ignore or deny how 802 01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:59.039 we're feeling. Remember Christ said in John sixteen Ves thirty three, but in 803 01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:02.920 this world we will have trials and tribulations. We will have trials and tribulations, 804 01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:05.960 but we should be of good chair. It doesn't mean that we should 805 01:20:06.039 --> 01:20:12.399 pretend that we don't have trials and tribulations. So acknowledge how you feel, 806 01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:17.720 trying not to deny or ignore how you're feeling. Don't try to cover up 807 01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:24.479 how you feel. So don't try to do something that's going to overpower how 808 01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:30.039 you're feeling, because that's just going to keep the problem festering underneath. Meditate 809 01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:32.359 on the word of God, Go to the word of God, go to 810 01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:39.560 the promises of God. Pray and speak to God honestly, authentically about how 811 01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:43.359 you're feeling. You know, bring it to the surface, because when you 812 01:20:43.479 --> 01:20:46.199 bring something out of the surface and give it light, you know, it 813 01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:51.960 takes the power away. But when you keep it covered, then it kind 814 01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:59.479 of just magnifies in the mind. So you know, be real and you 815 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:02.159 know, talk to God about it, talk to somebody that you can trust 816 01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:08.039 about it. Don't try to kind of do something to overpower how you're feeling, 817 01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:13.920 and really get professional help if that's necessary. You know, there are 818 01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:17.760 professionals, like you've got doctors who are there to medical doctors. You've got 819 01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:23.119 different types of medical doctors, those who focus on the bones, those who 820 01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:28.399 focus on the ear, nose and throats, those who focus on cardiac issues. 821 01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:32.760 You also have you know, psychiatrists who focus on the mind, psychotherapist, 822 01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:39.600 psychologists. These are all people who are there to help to help people 823 01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:44.600 who are feeling quite low. So you know, don't be ashamed, you 824 01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:47.720 know, to go and get the professional help that you need, because depression 825 01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:55.119 can be very serious mental health illness and you know might actually need quite a 826 01:21:55.199 --> 01:22:00.600 bit of time and effort to really treat it. I've all responding in ways 827 01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:06.199 that you know that feeling of depression is urging you to respond. So you 828 01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:10.840 know, if, for example, you know, you feel kind of really 829 01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:15.359 negatively about a situation or about a person, and all you want to do 830 01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:18.479 is, you know, talk negatively about that situation or just just try to 831 01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:21.720 avoid that, because what that's going to do is that's just going to keep 832 01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:28.399 you in that visual cycle and make the stronghold control you. We've talked about 833 01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:33.159 engaging in a kind of healthy and structured routine. Try and find something whatever 834 01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:39.119 is good, whatever is pure, whatever is praiseworthy. Focus on these things 835 01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:43.840 and do these things. Don't don't behave in a way that the kind of 836 01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:47.439 emotion at the time is driving you, is driving you to go and overeat, 837 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:51.680 so it's driving you to not eat. Don't try to respond to those 838 01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:57.840 those feelings at that time. Try and think about, Okay, what's healthy, 839 01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:00.520 what can I do that's going to be better official for me in the 840 01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:09.560 long run. Bringing down strongholds of depression also involves bringing down captive thoughts. 841 01:23:10.720 --> 01:23:14.520 Last week and the week before, we looked at thoughts a lot. Your 842 01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:18.680 depressive feelings result from negative thoughts. But knowing the truth, like we said, 843 01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:24.760 will set you free. So you know, don't try to escape from 844 01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:29.840 the feelings. There will be other ways that the stronghold will manifest itself. 845 01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:32.239 So if you try to pretend, well it's not there, I'm not I'm 846 01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:39.119 not feeling this way, then then it's gonna it's gonna just carry on manifesting 847 01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:43.119 itself. You're going to find yourself almost like in a maze, trying to 848 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:45.840 get out of it by doing this and by doing that, and nothing is 849 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:54.520 going to work. So dealing with depression in summary involves addressing the natural causes 850 01:23:55.479 --> 01:23:59.800 through making the right choices around how we think, how we behave, and 851 01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:05.640 spiritual causes through bringing down strongholds. The stronghold of depression results from walls of 852 01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:13.359 lies, resulting in fortresses of negative imagination and thoughts that keep the depression going. 853 01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:19.279 And we can absolutely train our minds to respond in helpful ways believing the 854 01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:27.199 truth, meditating on God's words and God's promises, and on prayer. Those 855 01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:31.600 are very powerful spiritual weapons. Like we said at the start, the weapons 856 01:24:31.640 --> 01:24:36.159 are of our warfare and not cannal but spiritual. And when depression is a 857 01:24:36.239 --> 01:24:43.680 stronghold, we need spiritual weapons to bring down that depression. Just to leave 858 01:24:43.720 --> 01:24:47.640 you with a few kind of texts from the Bible to remember. Remember. 859 01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:55.680 Psalms twenty six eighteen Some Sorry thirty four eighteen says the Lord is near to 860 01:24:55.760 --> 01:25:01.000 the broken hearted and saves the crushed in spirit. Remaiah twenty nine eleven says 861 01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:04.039 that for I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord. 862 01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:10.119 There are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future 863 01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:14.479 and a hope. So when you're feeling hopeless because you're depressed, remember God 864 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:18.000 has good plans for you. And in God we always have hope. And 865 01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:25.239 Deuteronomy thirty one, verse eight says the Lord himself goes before you and will 866 01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:29.079 be with you. He will never leave you, nor forsake you. Do 867 01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:34.319 not be afraid, do not be discouraged. And of course John sixteen thirty 868 01:25:34.399 --> 01:25:39.199 three says, in this world you will have trouble. But take heart. 869 01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:44.720 Christ says I have overcome the world. We bring down the strongholds. When 870 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:47.159 we are in Christ, we bring down the strongholds. When we believe in 871 01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:51.359 His word, we believe in the promises, we believe in prayer, we 872 01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:55.960 believe that we're covered by his blood, and we believe that He has a 873 01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:59.560 bright future for us. And we also believe that, like he said in 874 01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:02.000 John, there's a sick, there's just six so if the son seids, 875 01:26:02.119 --> 01:26:06.159 you're free, you will be free. Indeed, thank you back to you, 876 01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:13.000 Angela. Oh, I loved all those texts there, scribbling curiously those 877 01:26:13.039 --> 01:26:15.920 for remind us. So, yeah, there's some good ones there. Psalms 878 01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:19.840 thirty four eighteen, Jeremiah twenty nine eleven, Deuteronomy thirty one, verse eight, 879 01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:25.600 John sixteen thirty three, and the last one, John six thirty six 880 01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:30.479 or five thirty six. Yeah, the good ones, really good ones there, 881 01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:33.199 So thank you so much, Alison. Yes, so there's a lot 882 01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:40.359 of really really good information there, and I loved how you've gone through and 883 01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:45.840 really looking at how you can deal with those strongholds when depression is a stronghold. 884 01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:49.600 That next bit was almost kind of like I would almost say, like 885 01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:53.239 a follow up to how you would deal with if it was a physical illness 886 01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:57.399 as well. This in addition to you know, leave it, the ballance, 887 01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:01.199 life, everything else. But this is where you are drawing on God's 888 01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:06.239 word, his promises and if necessary, get the professional help like you've noted 889 01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:14.159 before as well. So I guess you start at the beginning saying obviously that 890 01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:20.520 depression when it starts to really impact your life, I mean, how soon 891 01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:26.079 would you say to somebody, go to seek professional help? And I think 892 01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:29.319 sometimes for many people that's probably one of the more daunting things to do, 893 01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:34.560 because you noted in their about acknowledging that there is a problem. I guess, 894 01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:38.880 how would you know that it's kind of obviously it's impacting your life, 895 01:27:38.920 --> 01:27:44.760 could be infecting, but also acknowledging that this is a serious it potentially could 896 01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:47.000 be a serious illness that you could be suffering from. How do you know 897 01:27:47.159 --> 01:27:51.199 when to kind of go and seek professional help, as it were, especially 898 01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:56.039 if you are battling with the idea of the shame, the fear, the 899 01:27:56.119 --> 01:28:00.920 guilt, those stigmas that often surrounded surrounding meant health difficulties in general, much 900 01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:10.199 less depression. Yeah, So when you've had certain symptoms for about i'd say 901 01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:13.880 a week and a half, two weeks, so things like, you know, 902 01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:17.399 certainly you don't really have pleasure, you don't feel interested in doing the 903 01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:24.159 things that you'd normally be interested in, or you feel kind of you feel 904 01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:28.479 bad about yourself, you feel like you're a failure, that you've led your 905 01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:31.960 family down, you've led other people down, and these feelings are persistent. 906 01:28:32.399 --> 01:28:36.119 Right, so you're feeling like this every day for about a week and a 907 01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:40.880 half, two weeks, you should really be starting to think to think, 908 01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:43.600 well, I need to maybe go and see my GP. It's alwa, 909 01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:47.279 it's good to start with your GP. Maybe you've got poor appetite, or 910 01:28:47.319 --> 01:28:53.359 you're eating too much more than usual, or you feel like quite tired, 911 01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:59.079 or that you have very little energy. You've got trouble with sleeping, you 912 01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:03.319 kind of have trouble falling asleep or staying asleep, or maybe you're sleeping too 913 01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:12.800 much, you're feeling maybe hopeless. Maybe you're moving you you're very fidgety because 914 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:16.960 you're maybe that's combined with the level of anxiety, or you're kind of very 915 01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:25.079 slow in kind kind of your movements. Then you really need to be thinking. 916 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:29.119 You know, you can't really concentrate, you know, things like maybe 917 01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:32.960 reading the paper, watching Telly. You're you're finding it very really, very 918 01:29:33.039 --> 01:29:38.319 difficult to concentrate. Or it could be you know, you start to think, 919 01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:42.960 well I'll be better off deb or you know, I just want to 920 01:29:43.039 --> 01:29:46.840 hurt myself in some way. You maybe want to self harm by maybe not 921 01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:53.479 eating, or maybe things like pulling, pulling hair. It doesn't always have 922 01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:58.039 to be kind of, you know, cutting oneself. Some people would you 923 01:29:58.119 --> 01:30:01.640 know, kind of punch the wall until the bleed. You know, there's 924 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:09.239 those kind of symptoms. Are things that happen Maybe some of those things or 925 01:30:09.399 --> 01:30:14.520 all of those things, or most of those things are happening kind of most 926 01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:18.439 days over a period of two weeks, or every day almost every day over 927 01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:24.399 a period of two weeks. Then start by going to speak to your GP. 928 01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:28.119 See your GP, and talk to your GP about it. Normally, 929 01:30:28.239 --> 01:30:32.239 the GP would give you a questionnaire to feel to complete and then we'll be 930 01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:35.920 able to say, well, you know, there's mild depression going on here, 931 01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:40.439 there's moderate and then you can take it from there. They can refer 932 01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:44.680 you on to somebody else. But it's really important that you if you've got 933 01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:48.439 those symptoms and are persistent over a period of more than a week or up 934 01:30:48.479 --> 01:30:51.760 to two weeks, that you go and get help because if you don't, 935 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:57.000 it's going to get worse. It's gonna it's going to kind of progress, 936 01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:02.439 and it then it starts to become things like psychotic, which then you get 937 01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:06.159 into a situation where you're in a crisis, and when you're in a crisis, 938 01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:12.359 it's very difficult to just get maybe therapy or talking to somebody. That's 939 01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:16.600 when they start to look at more more serious interventions. So pick it up 940 01:31:16.840 --> 01:31:25.119 when it's early and speak to somebody about it. Alison, I'm glad you 941 01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:29.920 said that because one of the questions I had to ask was about that support 942 01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:35.119 instruction that you spoke about when you spoke of Because so many people in this 943 01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:40.640 position, or so many people who are struggling with depression aren't able to take 944 01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:45.520 themselves where they need to go. Don't say that they're struggling, you know, 945 01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:50.079 struggle alone. That I was listening to one man explain his about his 946 01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:55.159 experience with depression and said something that I thought it was good to share. 947 01:31:55.479 --> 01:32:00.800 He said, depression is like a club that anyone can join joined for free. 948 01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:03.479 It doesn't matter your color, your creed, your culture. But the 949 01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:08.199 only condition of joining that club is that you have to believe that you're alone. 950 01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:12.039 You're the only ones struggling. You need to believe that there is no 951 01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:15.119 one there to support you, and that you are fighting something that no one 952 01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:21.399 could ever understand. And so many people are fighting with depression but just don't 953 01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:25.000 feel there's anywhere to go. There's no one that they can tell, no 954 01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:29.319 one would understand, no one would be able to help. So how do 955 01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:32.840 we as people who support persons who are struggling with depression, how do we 956 01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:39.520 pick up the signs and how do we guide or signpost people to help. 957 01:32:41.119 --> 01:32:45.720 Again, it's looking out for those signs in some day. So you will 958 01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:54.600 notice if somebody suddenly starts withdrawing. You'll notice if somebody maybe if it's something 959 01:32:54.640 --> 01:32:58.560 you're close to, you know, what they're eating, habitas, You'll notice 960 01:32:58.600 --> 01:33:01.560 if they're not eating anymore. You'll notice if they're not looking after one of 961 01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:09.479 one common symptom is where people don't look after themselves, or maybe people unusually 962 01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:14.039 start making up, start wearing makeup. So, you know, it's very 963 01:33:14.039 --> 01:33:17.880 important that we notice things that are unusual in people. I think that sometimes 964 01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:23.199 we can just be very quick to notice and then talk about it and oh, 965 01:33:23.399 --> 01:33:27.079 what's wrong with this person? Have you noticed that behaving strangely? And 966 01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:30.039 we don't really follow up, but we actually we don't know what that person 967 01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:33.840 is going through. So if they've changed the way they dress, sometimes people 968 01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:39.600 who would normally kind of make an effort to really look nice stop making an 969 01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:44.920 effort. Or sometimes some people unusually start making too much of an effort, 970 01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:47.960 so start wearing too much makeup, or start doing things that they didn't usually 971 01:33:48.479 --> 01:33:54.000 used to do normally. Those are signs. So it's really important if you're 972 01:33:54.079 --> 01:33:58.079 not seeing somebody in church, for example, rather than think, oh, 973 01:33:58.159 --> 01:34:01.840 well, maybe this person's backsliding, find out, you know, try to 974 01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:05.600 find out what's going on for them in their lives. So thinking about, 975 01:34:06.199 --> 01:34:11.119 you know, always think about the why. Always think about beneath the iceberg, 976 01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:15.199 beneath what you see at the tip of the iceberg, what could be 977 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:20.199 going on, And if you're noticing anything unusual, subtly try to find ways 978 01:34:20.359 --> 01:34:27.479 to approach the individual, or to approach people who are close to that individual 979 01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:31.560 and maybe monitor them or maybe try to get them to get the help that 980 01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:36.920 they need. Also provide that there's the various help organizations out there. There's 981 01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:42.760 the Samaritans. If people want to talk confidentially and you don't want people around 982 01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:45.840 to know that you're feeling very low, please ring the Samaritans. Go and 983 01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:50.479 talk to your GP, find a professional that you can talk to in confidence, 984 01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:56.000 speak to somebody that you can trust, but also let's look out for 985 01:34:56.119 --> 01:35:00.920 each other and let's be each other's each other's keeper. I think it's really 986 01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:06.119 interesting, yes, because I think it will well, not all times, 987 01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:10.159 but but most time it will require, you know, being spirit led and 988 01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:15.319 knowing how to get people to make those first steps because it's not always easy. 989 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:18.680 Yeah. Absolutely, And I'm glad you said also about noticing things that 990 01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:23.840 may be unusual or different, because I guess mostly symptoms they seem to be 991 01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:26.800 more on the negative side. But it's quite interesting that you're saying somebody who 992 01:35:26.920 --> 01:35:32.279 can appear really upbeat, very positive, seeming like everything's okay, but it 993 01:35:32.359 --> 01:35:35.399 could be things like a bit more subtle, or just listen to the way 994 01:35:35.399 --> 01:35:40.960 in which they're talking, the things that they're talking about, or there's maybe 995 01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:45.560 you know, quite negative self talk, or you know, it's not necessarily 996 01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:50.760 sometimes the signs aren't so obvious because I guess sometimes people are kind of we 997 01:35:50.840 --> 01:35:54.199 say, managing, and I put that in kind of almost air quotes, 998 01:35:54.439 --> 01:35:58.319 but managing in a way that doesn't seem as obvious that they could be struggling. 999 01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:02.199 As you said, the under the on the is. Yeah, if 1000 01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:08.760 you think about somebody who has for example, who has the onset of bipolar, 1001 01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:13.920 so they don't necessarily know that, you know, they've got bipolar sympterms 1002 01:36:13.960 --> 01:36:20.680 of bipolar, they could come in be looking unusually excited, happy, you 1003 01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:25.479 know, and you know, if that's if that's unusual, then maybe that's 1004 01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:29.159 something to look out for to pick up on. If they're very active, 1005 01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:33.359 out of out of character, maybe that's something to keep an eye on. 1006 01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:36.880 Because when we when we think about depression, it's not always the low, 1007 01:36:38.520 --> 01:36:47.000 sad presentation, it's also an unusually happy presentation as well. And you know, 1008 01:36:47.079 --> 01:36:51.399 so we just we just have to you know, be more. We 1009 01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:56.199 need to pray for descendment. We need to pray for the Holy Spirit to 1010 01:36:56.279 --> 01:37:00.479 give us descendment to to to be able to descend and some of these things. 1011 01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:05.720 I wasn't going to ask another question as well. You made a distinction 1012 01:37:05.880 --> 01:37:15.800 between uh, the perssion that could be a stronghold and depression that's medically well 1013 01:37:15.800 --> 01:37:18.680 I don't know what the term is, but it could be based on medical 1014 01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:25.079 reasons. How do we how do we make that distinction? How how does 1015 01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:28.199 one know which it is? Is it a matter of just going to the 1016 01:37:28.239 --> 01:37:32.199 doctor and having having an assessment done, or can you can you tell is 1017 01:37:32.239 --> 01:37:36.239 there any difference at all in what manifests itself? And I know you may 1018 01:37:36.279 --> 01:37:40.560 have mentioned it, but just maybe asking you to repeat. Yeah, I 1019 01:37:40.640 --> 01:37:43.640 mean, I think the best way to go to the is to go to 1020 01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:45.960 the doctor and get an assessment. But sometimes it's quite obvious. Say, 1021 01:37:46.039 --> 01:37:50.359 for example, you've had it, you've been involved in a road traft accident 1022 01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:57.479 and you've had a head injury, you know, or somebody you have a 1023 01:37:57.560 --> 01:38:01.199 bereavement that situational, or you've just had a baby, you know, some 1024 01:38:01.399 --> 01:38:09.159 of those kind of big events that would happen that would cause an immediate change 1025 01:38:09.439 --> 01:38:14.920 in the mode that that's that's natural, right, that happens anyway naturally. 1026 01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:19.000 But then that and that can be treated in the same way. But then 1027 01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:26.199 that can easily become a stronghold if if it's not addressed, and the enemy 1028 01:38:26.319 --> 01:38:30.239 can use that to keep playing negative messages in our minds. So something that 1029 01:38:30.399 --> 01:38:35.359 started off as a kind of medical issue can end up being really a spiritual 1030 01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:44.640 stronghold. Right now. Yeah, a lot of some good stuff here. 1031 01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:49.640 You mentioned about the helplines, Allison, and you know there were lots of 1032 01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:56.520 resources out there, so you definitely would go to your GP to start off 1033 01:38:56.600 --> 01:39:00.600 with. But you mentioned the Samaritans. You can at them twenty four hours 1034 01:39:00.640 --> 01:39:04.119 a day, three six five days a year. They've got a free help 1035 01:39:04.239 --> 01:39:08.279 line. I think the number is one one six one two three if I 1036 01:39:08.399 --> 01:39:13.880 believe, you can email them as well Joe at Samaritans dot org and some 1037 01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:16.359 branches are now reopening as well, so you can just go in in person. 1038 01:39:18.319 --> 01:39:24.760 There's also a variety Mind actually, the organization Mind and Mind dot org 1039 01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:30.039 dot UK has a lot of good information on their resources, different help lines 1040 01:39:30.079 --> 01:39:35.039 as well. So definitely, if you do feel that you are struggling with 1041 01:39:35.159 --> 01:39:39.439 something, you know, the key thing here is don't struggle alone. There 1042 01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:44.039 is support out there, and I know sometimes we hear reports and we hear 1043 01:39:44.119 --> 01:39:47.279 things that sometimes people find getting that very difficult, but you know, do 1044 01:39:47.439 --> 01:39:55.520 reach out to somebody that's incredibly important and be persistent as well if you need 1045 01:39:55.600 --> 01:39:59.880 the help, be persistent. Yeah, definitely, So Allison, as we 1046 01:40:00.439 --> 01:40:04.600 as we're looking at this and kind of looking at this from the I guess 1047 01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:11.039 a lot of this in terms of the spiritual as a stronghold. What advice 1048 01:40:11.079 --> 01:40:14.560 would you give to somebody just and this is we've covered, if we've covered 1049 01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:17.600 a couple of weeks looking at you know, worry, fear, anxiety, 1050 01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:25.640 and that can kind of lead into a condition or disorder as discussion, what 1051 01:40:25.800 --> 01:40:31.079 advice generally would you give to somebody who is going through these difficulties and these 1052 01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:39.359 issues. I mean, I would I would really start by saying that I'll 1053 01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:43.840 start by normalizing, right, because I think that what sometimes what we don't 1054 01:40:43.920 --> 01:40:49.159 do very well is we we kind of make it a table and we stigmatize 1055 01:40:49.199 --> 01:40:55.319 it, and we make people feel uncomfortable, we make people feel ashamed. 1056 01:40:55.760 --> 01:40:59.880 So I think I would I would start by saying, you know, it's 1057 01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:05.159 it's okay to feel unwell because this is an illness and it's not your fault. 1058 01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:11.199 And I would say that you know that there's there's a lot that you 1059 01:41:11.319 --> 01:41:15.680 can do. You know, this isn't a hopeless situation. There's a lot 1060 01:41:15.760 --> 01:41:17.479 of help out there, There's a lot of support that you can get. 1061 01:41:18.319 --> 01:41:24.359 You know, you and and really God cares. God cares about you. 1062 01:41:24.640 --> 01:41:27.720 God wants you to feel well. God wants you to feel better, and 1063 01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:32.000 God wants you to to use the resources that he's made available. So just 1064 01:41:32.159 --> 01:41:39.079 keep an open mind and understand that it's not your fault that you feel this 1065 01:41:39.239 --> 01:41:44.000 way. Okay, and was somebody who's suffering depression? Now you talked about 1066 01:41:44.560 --> 01:41:46.680 different various ways to kind of help manage that. What have you is this? 1067 01:41:47.359 --> 01:41:51.439 Are these conditions sometimes things that people have for their whole lifetime, and 1068 01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:57.560 they're going to be continually managing that, you know, finding the right effective 1069 01:41:57.640 --> 01:42:00.119 ways, whether it's natural or with medication, et cetera. Or is it 1070 01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:08.439 something that you can kind of can you be cured from this well being? 1071 01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:15.720 That looks like yes. Yeah. So a lot of people suffer chronic chronic 1072 01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:20.359 depression, so they you know, they have this illness that goes on for 1073 01:42:20.479 --> 01:42:25.039 most of their lives. I mean, we see people in therapy who have 1074 01:42:25.359 --> 01:42:29.920 been depressed since the were eight and they are in their fifties or sixties and 1075 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:35.399 it's been managed with medication and therapy, and you know that that's just the 1076 01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:43.720 chronic condition. And then we have people who have had depression and have been 1077 01:42:43.800 --> 01:42:46.520 in a very bad way and have been close to taking their lives and then 1078 01:42:47.439 --> 01:42:51.159 you know, have changed have you know, things have turned around? I 1079 01:42:51.239 --> 01:42:57.720 think being a believer in God. I believe that it can be healed, 1080 01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:01.760 but I also believe that there's more to healing it, especially when it's a 1081 01:43:01.880 --> 01:43:08.239 stronghold, than just medical means. I think that, you know, God 1082 01:43:08.439 --> 01:43:14.359 himself is the great physician, is the ultimate healer, And as a Christian 1083 01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:19.399 psychotherapist, I want to give God the credit because I know that I, 1084 01:43:19.640 --> 01:43:24.239 for example, am a vessel that He uses to heal people. I know 1085 01:43:24.359 --> 01:43:28.920 that the healing doesn't come from me, It comes from God. And God 1086 01:43:29.079 --> 01:43:33.399 himself knows what a person needs to make them hold again. He's the one 1087 01:43:33.439 --> 01:43:38.079 who creates us, and he's the only one who can a lot of these 1088 01:43:38.199 --> 01:43:44.680 illnesses, especially depression. There's a lot of shame and guilt and hopelessness involved 1089 01:43:44.840 --> 01:43:49.680 in the emotions that characterize depression, and only God can take this away. 1090 01:43:50.159 --> 01:43:55.560 So whilst I'd like to say, yes, there's you know, various medications 1091 01:43:55.600 --> 01:44:00.520 and various tablets, Yes God, God will give the physician and the psychiatrists 1092 01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:06.079 and therapist the wisdom and the knowledge. But I think that people who find 1093 01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:15.119 themselves in a kind of like revolving situation. Sometimes people who trusting in human 1094 01:44:15.199 --> 01:44:18.680 beings, and I think if we do trust in God. God has the 1095 01:44:18.840 --> 01:44:25.439 ability to recreate, to kind of take us out of the pits that we 1096 01:44:25.560 --> 01:44:30.760 were in and give us a brand new life and a brand new mind. 1097 01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:34.520 And he's the one who says, I haven't given you a spirit of fear, 1098 01:44:34.600 --> 01:44:40.600 but I've given you a spirit it's sound mind. And so we need 1099 01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:44.199 to trust in God. It can be cured if we're trust in God. 1100 01:44:44.319 --> 01:44:48.119 If we believe in God. Let remember that what we believe ultimately is what 1101 01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:53.239 we become. And if we believe in God and believe in the fact that 1102 01:44:53.439 --> 01:44:57.600 he's the creator and he's the healer, we will become healed. If we 1103 01:44:57.680 --> 01:45:02.960 believe in just medicals irons, which has always been researched and changing, then 1104 01:45:03.159 --> 01:45:08.239 we might have periods of wellness, and we might have periods where we feel 1105 01:45:08.319 --> 01:45:13.000 better, but then it comes work with a vengeance, because what's happening is 1106 01:45:13.119 --> 01:45:18.920 that underlying the kind of negative beliefs and negative messages are being replaced by the 1107 01:45:19.159 --> 01:45:26.640 enemy. So I do believe that people can be cured completely. And you 1108 01:45:26.720 --> 01:45:32.479 know, some people might differ with my beliefs, but I seriously, honestly 1109 01:45:32.600 --> 01:45:40.960 believe that to have sustainable wellness and healing I think that God, God himself, 1110 01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:44.960 in some cases, not in all cases, God himself will will need 1111 01:45:45.039 --> 01:45:51.119 to intervene and ensure that that healing is complete. So yeah, I believe 1112 01:45:51.199 --> 01:45:55.920 that we can be healed from depression, even very serious depression. I have 1113 01:45:56.079 --> 01:46:00.920 seen people turn around. I have worked with people people who who have have 1114 01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:05.600 been healed where they've had absolutely no hope, where they felt like, literally, 1115 01:46:05.840 --> 01:46:09.920 I want to take my life, and they have turned around and they've 1116 01:46:09.960 --> 01:46:13.520 been like totally different people. I would like to say, not by my 1117 01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:18.039 might or by my power, but absolutely by God's healing spirit, because I 1118 01:46:18.159 --> 01:46:24.039 have prayed for them. Amen. Amen, Love. And so before we 1119 01:46:24.199 --> 01:46:27.680 go to a music break and come back with final thoughts, I also wanted 1120 01:46:27.720 --> 01:46:33.560 to ask you to repeat and we've spoken to that to it before the importance 1121 01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:39.279 of balance. I really loved what you said before, and I mean I 1122 01:46:39.479 --> 01:46:43.840 was hoping that you would say the exception was if you approached it from a 1123 01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:49.439 soothing and do nothing lays about kind of way. But you did say that 1124 01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:55.239 even that can be bad for you you do it excessively. So I'm going 1125 01:46:55.319 --> 01:46:59.079 to have to go revisit my plan. But when you spoke about that, 1126 01:46:59.199 --> 01:47:03.680 you said that even having that balance and approaching life that way could be a 1127 01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:08.159 source of healing for some and you may not need to take it any further. 1128 01:47:08.520 --> 01:47:14.279 So just reiterate, if you will, or repeat that the importance of 1129 01:47:14.359 --> 01:47:17.239 balance and having that kind of structure in our lives. Yeah, and I 1130 01:47:17.319 --> 01:47:20.239 think there I talked about. You know, our brains are very kind of 1131 01:47:20.399 --> 01:47:26.680 complex, powerful machine, really the powerhouse of the body. And the brains 1132 01:47:26.720 --> 01:47:30.319 have different parts, and we have what we call the emotional brain, and 1133 01:47:30.439 --> 01:47:35.279 the emotional brain can be broken down into kind of the threat system, the 1134 01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:41.199 motivational system, and the soothing system. And the threat system is what looks 1135 01:47:41.239 --> 01:47:45.800 out for any dangers within our environment and helps us to kind of determine what 1136 01:47:45.920 --> 01:47:49.319 we need to do to keep safe. So that's important, and it's important 1137 01:47:49.359 --> 01:47:56.680 that we're always making sure that we're keeping ourselves safe. And that's where we 1138 01:47:56.800 --> 01:48:00.279 get the adrenaline, the cortisol, and we have an excess of that, 1139 01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:08.359 then we actually have anxiety disorder because the perception of the threat is not proportionate 1140 01:48:08.600 --> 01:48:12.359 to the reality of the threat in the environment. And then what we have 1141 01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:16.199 what we call the motivational drive, which is the part of the brain that 1142 01:48:16.399 --> 01:48:20.159 needs for us to feel a sense of competence, a sense of achievement. 1143 01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:25.840 We need to work hard to achieve because that's how God created us to work. 1144 01:48:26.319 --> 01:48:30.000 Since this you shall work, it's a law. So we need to 1145 01:48:30.079 --> 01:48:32.760 work. That makes us feel good. That's where we get the dopamine that 1146 01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:38.079 makes us feel good about ourselves. So in the right proportion, that's very, 1147 01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:41.920 very important. We need to work to feel inspired, to feel motivated, 1148 01:48:42.079 --> 01:48:45.960 to feel a sense of achievement and a sense of competence. And then 1149 01:48:45.039 --> 01:48:50.680 we have the soothing drive, the soothing part of the emotional brain, and 1150 01:48:50.800 --> 01:48:55.880 that's where we get the oxytocin and the serotonin. That's where we kind of 1151 01:48:57.119 --> 01:49:01.760 experience law, kindness, belonging, pleasure, and that's really important in the 1152 01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:06.880 right proportion. So when we don't get this, then we either feel too 1153 01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:12.520 much threat or too much kind of drive, or we feel burent out, 1154 01:49:12.680 --> 01:49:17.000 or we feel and we have anxiety issues. But too much of that compassion, 1155 01:49:17.840 --> 01:49:23.800 which kind of is at the expense of the motivation and the protection, 1156 01:49:24.520 --> 01:49:29.640 will mean that we don't feel that sense of achievement, that sense of competence, 1157 01:49:29.960 --> 01:49:32.760 and eventually, if we don't have the dopamin that we need. We 1158 01:49:32.840 --> 01:49:36.800 don't feel good about ourselves. That makes us depressed. If you layer about 1159 01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:43.439 all day doing nothing, telling yourself you're caring for yourself and not achieving anything, 1160 01:49:43.960 --> 01:49:46.880 then you feel a lack of sense of achievement. You don't have the 1161 01:49:46.960 --> 01:49:50.680 dopenin that your brain needs for you to feel good about yourself. So if 1162 01:49:50.680 --> 01:49:56.720 you think about the emotional brain as three circles in equal size, we need 1163 01:49:57.159 --> 01:50:00.920 a good dose of the soothing, a good dose of the motivation, and 1164 01:50:00.039 --> 01:50:04.119 a good dose of the protection. We need that balance. And it's not 1165 01:50:04.279 --> 01:50:08.960 a luxury to self care. It's not a luxury to do things that you 1166 01:50:09.199 --> 01:50:12.880 enjoy it because a lot of people feel guilty about that. And that's a 1167 01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:15.840 lie from the enemy. It's a lie to say I'm not going to rest, 1168 01:50:15.880 --> 01:50:19.039 I'm not going to take a break. It's a lie. So let's 1169 01:50:19.119 --> 01:50:28.840 have that balance and let's enjoy life and live life more abundantly man and balances. 1170 01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:30.560 Balance is really the key. And I guess, like you said, 1171 01:50:30.600 --> 01:50:34.960 and I don't know where that stigma has come from in terms of feeling guilty 1172 01:50:35.119 --> 01:50:40.199 as if it's not something that is a necessity. As you said, I 1173 01:50:40.239 --> 01:50:44.520 guess that's maybe a topic for another show. I guess, well, we've 1174 01:50:44.640 --> 01:50:47.840 talked about it a little bit, but it's worth revisiting for sure, because 1175 01:50:48.279 --> 01:50:54.840 we do put last, don't we. Yeah. So I guess as we're 1176 01:50:54.840 --> 01:50:57.319 coming to the end, I'm going to play short clip of music and then 1177 01:50:57.359 --> 01:51:01.159 we come back with our closing thoughts. This is attract by Marvin Sapp. 1178 01:51:01.319 --> 01:51:05.680 Never would have made it, And as you're saying, Allison, ultimately there 1179 01:51:05.760 --> 01:51:12.600 are there are where's, medication therapy activities that we do. But ultimately, 1180 01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:15.600 as Christians would believe, if it wasn't for God, we definitely may not 1181 01:51:15.680 --> 01:51:18.479 have made it. So this Marvin Sapp definitely would never would have made it, 1182 01:51:21.399 --> 01:51:35.039 never would have made never could have made that. Without you, I 1183 01:51:35.079 --> 01:51:44.039 would have lost it all. But now I see how you were there for 1184 01:51:44.319 --> 01:51:56.319 me, and I can say, never would have made never could have made 1185 01:51:56.439 --> 01:52:05.119 out Without honey, I would have lost it all. But now I see 1186 01:52:05.520 --> 01:52:14.800 how you were there for me, and I can say I'm stronger, I'm 1187 01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:25.399 wiser, I'm bad, much bader. When I look back, Oh, 1188 01:52:25.520 --> 01:52:30.319 the all you're pot me through, I can see the too, But the 1189 01:52:30.439 --> 01:52:41.359 one I held on to never never one, Oh I never could have made 1190 01:52:41.439 --> 01:52:54.640 it. I wouldn't have lost it all. Oh see, how are you 1191 01:52:54.840 --> 01:53:12.760 are there for me? Many another I want to lost in my mind a 1192 01:53:12.960 --> 01:53:24.920 lot time all never I had nothing for you, stuck, I'm wise offs 1193 01:53:25.920 --> 01:53:39.039 now I'll say so that Sam lay to my storm at my test because you 1194 01:53:39.479 --> 01:53:45.680 saw some time a metro a podcast, I'm strung out song, I'm wars 1195 01:53:45.920 --> 01:53:56.479 up, I'm got out at anybody bad eyes? I understanding here, I 1196 01:53:56.680 --> 01:54:25.119 tell you, I'm play okay. As Marvin said, he never would have 1197 01:54:25.239 --> 01:54:29.760 made it. He's stronger, wise, so much better. It's made it 1198 01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:32.560 through the storm. And as Alison ha said before, there are ways and 1199 01:54:32.720 --> 01:54:40.039 means to I'm gonna say, recover, manage, or be healed from depression. 1200 01:54:40.079 --> 01:54:44.399 As we've been talking this has been talking point. We are doing another 1201 01:54:44.600 --> 01:54:46.600 part of our series and bringing down strongholds, and today we've been looking at 1202 01:54:46.680 --> 01:54:54.439 depression. It's a very very very deep topic. It's a really serious illness 1203 01:54:55.039 --> 01:54:59.279 and there are various different types of depression that we've learned about today. Send 1204 01:54:59.399 --> 01:55:05.640 any closing thoughts from what we've talked about today. There is so much, 1205 01:55:05.720 --> 01:55:11.199 really and I think just a reminder that this program will be podcasted as well 1206 01:55:11.199 --> 01:55:14.720 as the others that we've had in the series, and I'm looking forward to 1207 01:55:14.840 --> 01:55:19.399 listening to it again. To be fair, just useful information, even if 1208 01:55:19.600 --> 01:55:23.119 and I have struggled with depression in the past, so many of us have, 1209 01:55:23.600 --> 01:55:27.239 but even in terms of supporting persons who are struggling and knowing what to 1210 01:55:27.319 --> 01:55:30.960 look out for and how we can signpost and assist people. We have time 1211 01:55:31.039 --> 01:55:35.720 to talk in February first, and as a company we will be doing some 1212 01:55:35.840 --> 01:55:42.039 initiatives around that. And for me, what's stood out from what we've discussed 1213 01:55:42.079 --> 01:55:46.239 here is simply the need to have conversations, the need to talk about what 1214 01:55:46.399 --> 01:55:51.640 people are going through and to normalize. As Alison said, this really dreadful 1215 01:55:51.880 --> 01:55:58.880 disease, this battle that people have and silently struggle through. And I'm hoping 1216 01:55:58.960 --> 01:56:02.359 that this would have have moved the needle a little bit and hopefully those who 1217 01:56:02.399 --> 01:56:05.880 are listening will take that next step if they do need assistance, if they 1218 01:56:05.920 --> 01:56:11.000 do need support, to reach out one one six one very easy to remember 1219 01:56:11.000 --> 01:56:17.359 that Samaritans Mind online. They've also got resources, useful information that you can 1220 01:56:19.159 --> 01:56:25.279 really leverage. And of course Alison and so many other practitioners who are available. 1221 01:56:25.720 --> 01:56:28.840 I know appointments are hard to get, but be persistent if you do 1222 01:56:29.039 --> 01:56:31.279 need support. And I don't want to say finally, because I think this 1223 01:56:31.439 --> 01:56:35.520 is foremost. God is good, He is faithful. Well, and we 1224 01:56:35.680 --> 01:56:40.439 have decided that we're going to list our promises, haven't we. We're going 1225 01:56:40.479 --> 01:56:44.760 to sort of take one for each week. I think that Angela. I 1226 01:56:44.800 --> 01:56:50.359 think we did at the beginning of the year. Yes, five promises and 1227 01:56:50.720 --> 01:56:56.319 I get lots of different one so I know the fabulous that we can. 1228 01:56:56.800 --> 01:57:00.960 Yes, sir, absolutely there. I mean it's and if you just take 1229 01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:02.399 a sticky note and write it out and put it there so that he comes 1230 01:57:02.439 --> 01:57:06.960 to mind or you come across it Psalm fifty five twenty two, give your 1231 01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:10.760 burdens to the Lord and he will take care of you. He will not 1232 01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:15.159 permit the godly to slip and film. Yes, indeed, and as you 1233 01:57:15.239 --> 01:57:20.119 mentioned about the different headlines, we also have our own Cornerstone Counseling as well, 1234 01:57:20.279 --> 01:57:24.960 so CCS, and we will play the adverts straight after the show for 1235 01:57:25.039 --> 01:57:28.439 this as well. Yes, and similar to you, and again we did 1236 01:57:28.479 --> 01:57:31.079 and glad you kind of went back to the idea of keeping ourselves balanced and 1237 01:57:31.199 --> 01:57:36.000 the idea that you know, looking after ourselves is so so important and keeping 1238 01:57:36.039 --> 01:57:41.079 it balanced, you know, it says I think it's in the first Corinthians 1239 01:57:41.239 --> 01:57:45.039 come over the text now about our body's been a temple and we also honor 1240 01:57:45.800 --> 01:57:49.119 God with our bodies. You know, God has created us in his own 1241 01:57:49.239 --> 01:57:53.680 image, and you know, due to sin, yes we have sickness, 1242 01:57:53.760 --> 01:57:59.640 diseases and ill health, but we are God's created and He is there to 1243 01:57:59.760 --> 01:58:01.560 up lift us. And you know, for us to kind of treat our 1244 01:58:01.600 --> 01:58:05.960 bodies in a way that is special. There's a reflection of Him is also 1245 01:58:06.079 --> 01:58:11.760 so important. So the idea of balance and having all there's different fact functions 1246 01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:16.720 and factors you know, working together definitely, But as Dny has said, 1247 01:58:16.840 --> 01:58:20.119 you've said definitely we do. If you need the help, do reach out. 1248 01:58:20.239 --> 01:58:24.520 There are people out there to help you. Alison, any closing thoughts 1249 01:58:24.560 --> 01:58:30.560 before we finish, I just just want to close with you know, if 1250 01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:34.239 you're killing law, if you're pulling down, you know, God cares. 1251 01:58:34.720 --> 01:58:41.119 God cares, He cares about the broken hearted, and you know he cares 1252 01:58:41.640 --> 01:58:45.720 through people as well around you. He cares through the support that you can 1253 01:58:45.800 --> 01:58:50.439 get. He will provide what you need to make sure that you are healed, 1254 01:58:50.560 --> 01:58:58.760 because He is happy when you're happy, lovely, So thank you for 1255 01:58:58.960 --> 01:59:02.039 joining us for talking point. Next week we are going to be finishing our 1256 01:59:02.159 --> 01:59:05.720 series with our last topic, which I do believe, we're going to be 1257 01:59:05.760 --> 01:59:11.039 looking at the importance of self worth, So definitely do cheat. Do you 1258 01:59:11.399 --> 01:59:15.840 join us again next week from five to seven send you would your mind, 1259 01:59:15.920 --> 01:59:21.359 closing with prayer for us and then no problem. Definitely. Father. We 1260 01:59:21.560 --> 01:59:27.399 come before you this afternoon or this evening as broken vessels, as mortal vessels, 1261 01:59:28.159 --> 01:59:30.880 and we know that we are plagued by sin and its consequences, as 1262 01:59:30.920 --> 01:59:38.239 Angelus said, but also we know that we fight against not flesh and blood, 1263 01:59:38.319 --> 01:59:42.359 but principalities and weakness in high places. So Lord, we call it 1264 01:59:42.479 --> 01:59:45.319 upon you. We asked for your strength and the courage that we need to 1265 01:59:45.359 --> 01:59:50.279 be able to pull down the strongholds in our life. We come against the 1266 01:59:50.359 --> 01:59:56.439 thought of depression and Swiss side and every dark place that's in our lives. 1267 01:59:56.479 --> 02:00:00.800 Lord, we ask that you shine the light upon it, help us to 1268 02:00:00.920 --> 02:00:05.279 seek the prayers and the professional help that we need, and help us to 1269 02:00:05.399 --> 02:00:11.039 make those first steps towards gaining the victory that you have promised. Your Bible 1270 02:00:11.239 --> 02:00:15.119 is full, your word is full of promises that we can hold on to 1271 02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:17.920 to get us sort of difficulties in our life. Lord, you promise not 1272 02:00:18.039 --> 02:00:21.720 to leave us nor forsake us, and so we hold on to that definly. 1273 02:00:21.760 --> 02:00:25.680 Father, Thank you for Allison and the work that she's doing. Continue 1274 02:00:25.720 --> 02:00:30.800 to bless her abundantly. We ask that you also bless our listeners and bless 1275 02:00:30.920 --> 02:00:33.800 us as a talking point team. Remember Pedro now, as he is on 1276 02:00:33.960 --> 02:00:39.960 well, I asked that you give him a feeling and quick recovery. Well. 1277 02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:43.479 Thank you again for this conversation that we've had. In Jesus name I 1278 02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:47.840 prairie a manner. Amen, Amen, thank you so much for joining us 1279 02:00:47.880 --> 02:00:51.159 on talking Points. It's been a really good conversation. Thank you again, 1280 02:00:51.239 --> 02:00:58.079 Alison for your insight and your knowledge that you shared with us. I hope 1281 02:00:58.119 --> 02:01:00.760 you enjoy the rest of this evening and you'll be back with a r L 1282 02:01:01.000 --> 02:01:08.600 for our Sunday programs. So it's good night for me, good night for 1283 02:01:08.720 --> 02:01:17.760 me. We will get this right. Good lack for Radler's what I should 1284 02:01:17.800 --> 02:01:25.000 have said, good night from good night from everyone, thank you for joining 1285 02:01:25.079 --> 02:01:27.720 us. I'm going to end with one of my favorite songs at the moment. 1286 02:01:27.920 --> 02:01:30.159 It's not a new song but you may have heard before. But as 1287 02:01:30.199 --> 02:01:33.239 often we pray, when we close our prayers, we say things in Jesus 1288 02:01:33.399 --> 02:01:36.000 name. This is Israel, a new breed, and it is called in 1289 02:01:36.119 --> 02:01:39.960 Jesus name. And the lyrics. I love the words on this. It's 1290 02:01:40.039 --> 02:01:42.960 so fitting for what we're talking about. God is fighting for us. God 1291 02:01:43.079 --> 02:01:45.840 is on our side. He has overcome. Yes, he is overcome. 1292 02:01:45.159 --> 02:01:47.920 We will not be shaken, We will not be moved. Jesus, you 1293 02:01:48.039 --> 02:01:51.319 are here, so I want to thank you for joining us. Have a 1294 02:01:51.359 --> 02:01:55.199 good week and have a blessed week, and will see you again next week. 1295 02:01:55.399 --> 02:02:20.039 This is your new breed in Jesus name. Amen, so hy single 1296 02:02:21.479 --> 02:02:45.000 love for saying God is sin, For God is on the outside. He 1297 02:02:45.279 --> 02:02:49.119 is sober. Come, Yes, he is sober. Com We will not 1298 02:02:49.319 --> 02:02:59.039 be shaken. He will not be moon. Jesus, super oh, carry 1299 02:02:59.439 --> 02:03:06.840 over coddling of shame. Bus so the cost be its sober come. He 1300 02:03:08.000 --> 02:03:15.720 will not be sake, He will not be booth. Jesus, I say, 1301 02:03:15.960 --> 02:03:29.600 I will, I will not The ras reption howrist the living men priest 1302 02:03:30.600 --> 02:03:54.399 Jesus said, oh, carrying of birds, tuddling God shame ps A the 1303 02:03:54.680 --> 02:04:00.800 congess, p s A the co We will not be saying he w was 1304 02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:17.800 me me and A will not time presation, power of rivers love me dying 1305 02:04:17.960 --> 02:04:30.239 am free in Jesus, I will, I will not time, will don't 1306 02:04:30.319 --> 02:05:03.039 see your time you have dying drew and Jesus dres the name Exeus. The 1307 02:05:03.319 --> 02:05:12.119 power around the names comes toys to sing the times, falling out, the 1308 02:05:12.319 --> 02:05:23.199 taking about the shap feeling about us of the parents and shouted off, showing 1309 02:05:23.279 --> 02:05:44.000 it out johns study war times the same and when shouting so said John sid 1310 02:05:50.399 --> 02:06:11.000 show your feeling name change amazing and we shouting shoting way not sh love this 1311 02:06:12.319 --> 02:06:35.159 and that for you. Fred s away not time will try to startle ship 1312 02:06:36.920 --> 02:08:01.279 slip share so you see, says show so we will shouting it out, 1313 02:08:01.920 --> 02:08:28.119 shouting. Are you struggling to cope with life? Conflict, bereavement, fear, 1314 02:08:28.479 --> 02:08:35.640 relationship, anger, depression, negative thoughts, trauma, and uncertainty can 1315 02:08:35.760 --> 02:08:43.159 all cause emotional imbalance. Don't struggle alone. CCS, your trusted confidential counseling 1316 02:08:43.239 --> 02:08:48.239 service is here for you. Call our listening line on zero double three zero 1317 02:08:48.439 --> 02:08:54.399 one double three two nine four five. Our office line for appointments on zero 1318 02:08:54.560 --> 02:09:01.640 two zero double seven two three eight zero five zero, or visit our website 1319 02:09:01.119 --> 02:09:09.439 www. Dot CCS Counseling dot org, dot UK. Our counselors speak various 1320 02:09:09.560 --> 02:09:15.079 languages. CCS a shoulder to lean on. We are here to listen. 1321 02:09:16.159 --> 02:09:20.319 Adventist Radio, London. Inspiration for the song