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This is Later with Lee Matthews,
the Lee Matthews Podcast more what you hear

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weekday afternoons on the Drive Any Reason. Samantha McVay are good friends of iHeartMedia

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and the iHeartMedia app as they are
the co hosts and producers of Stuff Mom

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Never Told You, among other podcasts
which you can hear wherever you get podcast

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and the iHeartRadio app. Annie Reese
and Samantha McVeigh. Welcome. Annie.

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I want to start with you stuff
Mom Never told Me. There are volumes

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of things moms and mom never told
me. Yeah, except and there are

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volumes of things recovered on the podcast
in this book. Just to help you

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for you well, Samantha, we're
not talking about those those birds and the

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bees things, or are we?
I mean, we could be talking about

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a lot of the things that include
the birds and the bees. Good.

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We want to be very open about
all this conversation. We've been having this

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conversation four years, so yes,
it could include that, but we could

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also talk about why women are struggling
in the workforce, why women eating wine,

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drinking wine over beer, maybe more
sexless than you'd think. All these

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kinds of conversations we include in our
podcast, in our book, I'm drinking

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beer. I'm drinking wine more often
now than beer. I don't know if

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it's because I'm aging out of the
beer demographic or because I started resenting the

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gut it was giving me there about
any one of those things, any reasons,

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Amana McVay stuff, Mom never told
you this was a book before a

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podcast, Annie, what brought you
from one to the other. Well,

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honestly, I've been doing this for
over a decade, and the podcast specifically,

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and we've tried all kinds of things. We've tried video, we've tried

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blogs, and it just seems like
a natural next step. I personally love

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writing, and we wanted to both
reach out to people who haven't heard the

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podcast, who maybe don't listen to
podcasts, because we want to share our

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message and mission with them, but
also we wanted to give our listeners,

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who our show would not exist,
We wanted to give them. It's almost

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a love letter to our audience who
helped us build this and it was shaped

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by them, and so it feels
like a beautiful evolution. I suppose,

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Samantha, what do you think is
one of the more profound things you have

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revealed in the podcast Stuff Mom Never
Told You. Is there one thing in

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particular that stands out for you?
You know, there's so many things.

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One of the biggest lessons that I
learned is the beginning of feminism that did

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not happen with the Suffragets, necessarily, that it happened with the Hut and

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a show any nation that is still
existent today has been around the for the

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you know, America, United States
was the United States, and how they

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paved the way for feminism and why
we should be looking at them as the

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matriarch and the example that dear God, we wish we had today And how

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so, I mean, is there
something that they did in that tribe that

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was more profound than anything being done
today? Honestly, they looked to the

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women, to the mothers, to
those who were leading as the examples as

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being the leadership and following suit.
They had one of the most peaceful nations

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as well as one of the most
central governments that they could have by following

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suit with the matriarch. As we
talked about before, and we even shout

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out that example in the book when
we talk about the Suffragette movement and how

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they opened up the way, but
they really really understood the law of following

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women as they were talking about peace
or war or when to move on and

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how to duel out conflict. It's
such an amazing part of history that we

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all should be talking about it so
much more and giving them so much more

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credit. Well, and I also
know because of our heritage here in this

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state when it comes to tribes and
tribal culture, that it wasn't just that

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tribe, the Chickasaws as well.
We're very matriarch are very matriarchal to this

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day. Yes, yes they are, and it's a beautiful thing. I

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really wish that we could have more
of an in depth study and just really

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carry it over to our Congress.
That would be a beautiful play. The

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podcast stuff Mom Never Told You.
It's available on the iHeartRadio app and everywhere

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you get podcast any recent symanthe mcvayh
or the hosts any I mean, when

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you first read the title of the
podcast, it's almost like a Okay,

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wear a hat so you don't catch
pneumonia, frogs won't give you wards.

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Prince Charming does not indeed exist.
It's true, and I think the original

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idea behind the title things we feel
are taboo or that we can't talk about,

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and that conversation has shifted because once
again, this podcast hasn't been around

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for over a decade, which makes
me feel a certain way. But I

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think that it's things that you feel
that you didn't get when you were a

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kid, because I think the inclusion
of that is very like, oh,

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when I was a kid, I
didn't know this, and I wish that

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I had. And so that's kind
of that's the idea is that I've talked

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about this a lot before, but
I started working on this podcast right when

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I got out of college, and
I wish I had known. I wish

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I had known a lot of it, most of it when I was a

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kid. And it's that's our hope
with this, the podcast and the book

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is that we can reach someone in
that way where you'll build not feel as

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alone, and they'll feel illuminated and
even some joy of like, oh I

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just didn't know that. Uh So
that's that's that's our goal and I'm hoping

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that we achieved it. Samanthem McVeigh
i mentioned Prince Charming. Do you get

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into relationships at all? So we
don't really talk about relationships in this book,

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because it's not something that we looked
at as a political shaping of what's

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happening today. We talk a lot
about the civil rights movements. We talk

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a lot about the pants suit revolution
when we talk about how women in Congress

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we're not allowed to wear pants until
nineteen ninety six ninety seven. But we

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do get dumped into a lot more
of that conversation. And then and Annie

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does some amazing things with fictional characters
and bringing that fact that we don't necessarily

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need Prince Charming because there are their
own heroes or anti heroes. Any recent

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Samanthe McVay, the book and podcast
stuff. Mom never told you. I've

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got a difficult question, but I
think it's a fair question, and I

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want to get both of you to
spawn to it, if you will.

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I have not seen any any proponents
of feminism comments on the likes of Dylan

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mulvaney. And I don't mean the
likes of the Dylan mulvaney in relation to

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his trans I mean the likes of
the Dylan mulvaney the way he makes women

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appear. I maybe I am and
in the closet feminist, but I see

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the way he makes women appear,
and I'm offended. I don't know any

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female that walks around and talks like
that. First, is it she?

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Because she is a transgender woman,
So we definitely want to emphasize that we

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respect her pronouns and we I don't
understand what she is doing has affect to

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me because I don't necessarily I have
the same way is Annie. Annie and

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I are two very different people,
and yet we were assigned female at birth,

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and that's not something I Every woman's
different. My mother and I are

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very very different, and I don't
necessarily see her as my example of being

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what a woman is. So maybe
I'm a little off on this because I

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don't think Dylan mulvaney is an example
the only example of women. And if

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we were all put down to one
type of example, I would be really,

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really sad because I would not meet
with anyone's standards. I am a

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very vocal and different person. I
am an Asian woman, I'm an adoptee.

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There's so many things under my identity
that to have to say that one

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person, one woman, one transgender
woman, is a representative seems kind of

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misleading. Well, that's a fair
answer, Annie, Do you have any

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comment, Uh yeah, I agree, because I I feel like there's a

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lot of context that I would need
to give a fuller answer. But I

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would say, like, you know, women dress differently, acts differently,

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and that that's kind of the beauty
of it. I mean, it's not

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one size fits all. So I
would say, as long as there is

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uh, you know, not not
disrespecting other women, then that's that's my

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view. Very good answers, and
I thank you both for braving the question.

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Annie Reese and Samanda McVay. You
can see they don't shy away from

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any of the topics in their book
Stuff Mom Never Told You. The podcast

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available everywhere you get podcasts, including
the iHeartRadio app. Ladies, thank you

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for your time today, thank you
for having us, Thanks for listening to

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