Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the X Men Retrospective.
As I was just saying off the final four episodes, we're getting down to
the nitty gritty boys. I am doctor Moreau trust now, and I'm joined
by I am the evolutionary Kirklan Pats, I am the tin man dol Mus
and the testosterone driven kid Taylor Field. Just talking about ac it's like your
game. Remember the tasos on that guy what was his name that had the
massive tasosterone what Remember we did a newscast like year one and we're talking to
his superpower was just he just gets Really you're describing the differences and you're like,
yeah, he has lots of testosterone power from like so Evy has all
this cool stuff and this guy's power is his testosterone. Like every man,
My god, I'll never That's honestly the two things I think of when I
hear to Tasha three things. One I can barely say it. Two wrestler's
doing steroids. Three that guy from Assassin's screen it isn't in the top three.
When I hear disastrohone, it's like I think of Assassin as great because
I think me and Dylan. That's the one we did. Like the We've
played two hours and like reviewed it very poorly, so you know, yeah,
but yeah we are here, like I said, we got after this,
there's only six episodes of season four and then season five is a short
one, it's five and five, so we'll be doing that by time they
release it should probably the hope the rumors are and that's coming out early twenty
twenty four, so hopefully it lines up that the last few episodes drop in
December, we'll get right to it. I think we'll still do one predictions
episode as well, like what we want to see or hope could see,
hope to see in this season, so they'll probably be one bonus one before
but yeah, go back check it out. Thanks to people that have checked
them out and listen. They're doing not too bad for a retrospective show that's
almost thirty years old, so appreciate that. And yeah, today is a
very thing. You know, we got an episode called family Ties. You
may as well just say this whole five episodes. Even Gwen was like,
there's a lot of family stuff going on here, like yeah, because you
got brothers and sisters, fathers and sons, more fathers and sons, girlfriends
and whatever. But yeah, we got five episodes to talk about here.
Let's see, I don't know do we want to talk about? Do we
enjoy all? You'll let me know when we go across first episode. Let
me know just what you thought about the batch of them. Uh, but
let's let's go to episode eleven. It's a two parter. Oh god,
I can't even say his name correctly. Proteus Proteus. Moyamtager is trying to
help her son a couple letters. That's gonna screw me up. See I
lost already, Proteus. There you go. Moyam Ortager is trying to help
her son, Kevin Proteus, but when he escapes from MRR Island, she
calls the X Men for help. Kevin, who has never been off the
island, is wreaking Haveric Havoc while trying to find his father. So pretty
basic outline for a pretty basic episode. So Dylan, ah, sweet,
you think about this one, but the what do you we also think about
just this base of five episodes when you're in the we're in the middle portion
of season four, you know, Yeah, it's always funny looking at maybe
some connections or lack of connections that happen when we do these episodes, because
we don't really pick them for particular reasons. It's more just like we're trying
to link together four to six episodes. If there's two parties, of course
we make sure those are together. But in all five of these episodes,
Cyclops gene Storm and Gambit are not in any of them whatsoever. So it
was gonna look at that way, And and even Beast is in there for
like one of these episodes. For a bit, it's really like Wolverine and
Jubilee. It's it's like those are the only people on the team, right
and Xavier, I guess that's like every guy's for wonder where Jubilee was.
She's back, you know, pumped, you know, yeah, she's just
been batter than ever presence here. So in that way, it's of course,
it's kind of a weird stretch of episodes where you know, some of
our favorites aren't appearing. I guess I generally, I guess, I guess
I'll put it this way, this's two part of a PROTEU was kind of
my least favorite with a bunch I think it's pretty weak, But then I
like the other the other one, so I yeah, I think there's just
no really fun moments in these Protece these two Proteus episodes for me, and
I think the plot doesn't really get anywhere too engaging. It feels like it
hits the surface level of like to Taylor's nickname, angsty teen, who's like,
you know, not loved and so he's raging out, and like it
never goes beyond that, and then there's really nothing else to captain me about
these episodes other than Proteus himself and his powers make for some like fun freaky
scenes and and some of that stuff's kind of engaging, but a pretty weak
two parter as far as I'm concerned. In like any of the other episodes,
like the Family Ties episode or Bloodlines, like, I would have much
preferred those ones be a two parter than than the Proteus double two pack.
Here, Yeah, I'll go next, just because I agree for the most
part, I have like good moments from all the other three, excited to
talk about them, even some like kind of cheesy moments these I'm just never
every once in a while, I'm fine with it, but I'm never just
a fan of big Mutin that destroys things, you know, and we get
we get that, I feel like every once in a while, but maybe
like even in season on a Lista's Chuggernaut and he has some sort of personality,
so there's some jokes being made or something. But yeah, this being
the two parter, I don't care if I like Mooim or Tagert from the
combooks, especially what they did with her in House of exa past decade,
but I just I don't care about her and this show. They don't give
me enough reasons to care about this and Charles and I'm excited to about.
I also feel like Charles is all over the place on how he feels with
her. It feels like one second he's like forgiving her, and then next
second he's just like, how day you not be with anybody? But like
it's just it's an odd relationship. So for a two part I would have
been fine with cutting some stuff and just making this a nice, good,
one part, because even part two we don't need most of the stuff.
Just make it. Moira's kids on the loose and the X Men are here
to help them. I feel like they want us to feel more special and
important because it's Moyer or Tayor, who's obviously a popular character from the combooks.
She's been multiple movies. But I just, yeah, never, never
a fit of these plot lines. So yeah, I was definitely these two
are kind of lower base for me. But obviously, yeah, number one
is I guess I prefer episode one episode two because, like, I'm not
a big fan Kevin McTaggart either, and we get a lot of time with
him, So yeah, I think i'd say this one's better than the second.
You know, so, well, you Patzer, I'm I'm curious,
what do you think of this episode? You're curious what I think about this
episode? Well, be curious no more. I think these are bottom bottom
barrel episodes. I really really did not like these. I didn't like Kevin,
I didn't like Moira, I didn't like Charles and these episodes, I
really didn't like Joe McTaggart, Like, I just really didn't like the whole
bag. Ken Well, the Senator is is Joe, Kevin is is proteus.
Oh right, right, thank you? Yeah, So I I really
just yeah, I just didn't have a lot of fun with these these two
parters. And like Dylan mentioned, like I really would have rathered having a
two parter with any of the other episodes really, And I'm not even saying
like like all the other episodes are are topers, just I think we could
have spent more time kind of unraveling some things in there. Specifically actually the
last episode we're gonna talk about today, I really wish that that was a
two part but I'll talk about that when we get there. I like trying
to be positive. I feel like it was kind of cool to see Proteus'
powers maybe in like the the I can't even remember now if it was part
one or part two, just just when he kind of pops off in Wolverine
and just like the whole extent of his level of what his power is.
It's very very powerful mutant, it seems. And yeah, it just seems
like pretty endless of the possibilities that he can that he can really do.
So I am kinda just while I'm watching it, and well, while I'm
watching it, I'm like, man, like what happens if Apocalypse showed up?
Like could Kevin literally just like absolutely pop off on Apocalypse and just destroy
him here? Like Like how can we compare his power level to some other
characters. So I think that was kind of fun in the moment to think
about that. But like that's really the full extent of maybe the positiveness that
I was feeling around the Kevin character, because yeah, just like his emotional
stuff, his family I just didn't really care about. Like I didn't like
his mom, I didn't like the father. So it's just like this is
this is just not for me. But yeah, you know, we'll get
into the specifics. But yeah, very very solid thumbs down for me already
at the start of this, uh this section of episodes, Oh, Kirk
was giving his thumb at the beginning. It was really I didn't say how
many thumbs though, so you know there's some at least ones down. You
know the direction of them. It's going southward. You're gonna break this streak.
I feel like proteasts is like that could be something up like TOAs looking
as like, oh I could have been proteus, like I loved No,
I don't have those kind of Jesus right. I like the episode. I
definitely liked the episode that I was laughing at parts of it, but it's
not my all time favorite episode. But I liked it enough to enjoy it.
I was kind of taken aback that it was a two parter, but
they made it two parts. Oh I thought it was over. Yeah,
but you know, I thought that there's some funny things that I look forward
to talking about with this episode. But yeah, he was just just an
interesting villain. They really he fit the bill, Like you said, Travis,
just the big monster destroy city kind of vibe. And that's what he
was. He wasn't anything more than that. He was just a guy that
possessed a boy and immediately felt emotions like, oh, this man is the
father, he loves him. And then he like goes out of the boy
and the dad's getting all pissed and he's like, why are you I was
trying to help your son. Like, it's just this boy is not ready
for the real world. I've never seen the real world, right, He's
never apparently seen the real world. Yeah, it just absolutely blows my mind.
But there's some very interesting it's just things here and it gets worse than
the second part, and I'm just excited to talk about it. Can we
go directly into that? Because I was so curious how you guys would feel
about Moira, and like, what is her plan here? Like was she
just gonna keep this guy long for his entire life if the tests didn't go
well? Like why is she just contacting Charles? I understand she's contacting Charles
because he breaks out a confinement, but like, yeah, if you got
Charles there when this kid was five years old, you could have solved these
issues and he could be living a happy life at this point. So I
think I felt kind of neutral on More through all this series, like she's
fine character, kind of what you were saying, Travis, But I feel
like this episode is two parter. So many of her decisions, and like
even the flashback with her and Charles, I'm like, man, fuck More,
I actually hate this character. They just made her like such a scumbag
weirdly, But I don't know. Maybe maybe you guys can explain it a
different way, but for me, it's like, what is her reason here
for? Like was her plan just to keep them up walked up for ninety
years? Like what is her game plan? Naskaban like to play Devil's advocate
on her behalf. I feel like maybe she just is feels so weird about
Charles because she just completely fucked him over right, like when he was out
at war defending his country. She just like fucks this get Joe guy.
And it's like, sense I wrote in the mail to this guy, that's
like just dying in the trenches with this with his brothers. By the time
you received this, will already be married. Oh my god, how can
you root for that character? I have to read that like, what a
scumbag move. So right off the hop, I'm like, I am not
a mware event at all. And you know I was pretty neutral on her
in the previous viewings, but I was just I was appalled by that moment.
I mean, to your first point, I feel like we've seen enough
of her and Charles in this show to see like where their relationship's at,
and like their friends, you know, they work together when they cast it.
So yeah, to me, it's like there's been so much opportunity for
her to try and get this figured out, because I guess presumably anytime we've
been at this place, Mure Island, I guess produce has just been walked
up there and there's all these villains crashing through those walls, and unfortunately,
for Proteus's sake, he's always just been locked on the other side of the
facility, I guess, and never never got broken out before, so that
songs for him. Yeah, one, Like Taya said, it's not even
like getting the ring getting told you're broken up. That's getting told broken up
is bad. Getting till she's fall in love with someone's bad. Getting the
ring back is really bad. The whole will be buried by the time you
get this is the absolute worse. It doesn't get any worse than that.
Like Charles might even wish her to be dead before this, but she could
wrote his cock is way bigger than yours to I've never felt in love like
this before I met Joe. But I guess what prote is, Like,
maybe the idea was he can't like, yeah, she knows Exavier, like
there's a bunch of flaws in his plan. But let's say she just thinks
for some reason that won't work. I guess her plans to hope that he
keeps growing and maybe we'll just be fully controlling his power to the point where
he could hide it. Because even then, it's like Joe supposedly leaves her
because he doesn't want to mute kid, right, that's why they break up,
so I don't know what the and then she meets Banshee and I don't
know, Like I would have loved to hear ban She's pitch like more of
like I gotta tell you my backstory like I was with Charle, I was
Joe and kid. So I guess her. I think her idea was just
to wait till he like got was completely safe to go out in the real
world. But if he doesn't get exposed to any of it, how is
he really supposed to get that way? Like she created this situation completely so
it does not make too much sense, and she's set up to be like
a smarter character and I just feel like that's such a stupid decision, right,
Yeah, but she's blinded by emotion about this too. Like I I
thought that the twist that was gonna happen in this episode is that, Okay,
this kid has powers, and he has specifically telekinetic power that we're pretty
rare. I'm like, Okay, is this Charles kid in disguise? And
that could lead to something interesting? And like maybe it is, and this
episode just doesn't target that. I don't know. If you're familiar with the
Proteus storyline in the car he has another kid named Legion that's and he has
it with some and else, so I'm maybe at some point he's had a
kid with Moyra, but his main kid is Legion, and he's also like
a telconess that pops off and is evil, so it's very similar. But
I to your credit, I feel like both episodes lean hard to make you
think Xavier is going to be the dad, and then there's just no reveal,
and you like that's really odd. Like, I guess I've never thought
too deeply where it seems like if a mutant has a child, that child's
almost always going to be a mutant as well. But I've never thought about
the you know, the muggle blood element of it, because there must be,
you know, the chicken and egg element. I'm not sure where it
comes. I mean, I guess Apocalypse is what like thousands of years old,
so mutans have been around a while. But yeah, I guess I
hadn't thought about that too. So that seemed like, oh, is that
is that how that works? And maybe we've seen it before in the show,
but I guess I never mentally clocked it. Yeah, Nope, it's
still just Shoe's kid in this. You know, we'll talk more about Joe
in the next episode, but yeah, we get those flashbights. We talked
about her and Joe or thing. Now she's a band. She she calls
out to Xavier and yeah, it's a smaller crew. Just Wolverine just jew
his beasts in this one. I don't think he's in this, you know,
I don't. I think so in this one. This is appearance by
ro She is there, and yeah, you get to see a lot of
powers like this. I think this episode where he literally turns wolver into like
a pool adam Anthion and stuff right like to get away, Like that's rough.
Yeah, that has to be rough. He was so confident too,
because he landed like I don't want to hurt you, kid, and like
he melts him and like he yeah, he comes back up from like his
melted puddle and he's like like totally just And I think that was at the
next part of this part where like everyone's going in to go and get proteus,
Like Wolverine goes up to the door, but he just backs off and
leaves and then he gets defensive about it. I love so hard in that
moment yeah, that's next episode though, I was just like, I can't
do it. He just pulls a whole one eighty. It's like playing Warzone,
Travis. I am always clear that I will run if it means saving
the team. I'm a strategist. I helped us to de Wut's wolvery was
going through law on these five episodes. You know, I feel like I
feel like we'll get to near that fas. Yeah. Like I feel like
just this one, the Magneto episode. Later on, he's just going through
a crisis of confidence where he doesn't really know have his place. I think
this even shows it here where I feel like he's trying his best to be
more diplomatic lately but just not really working out for him. And maybe it's
just because all those other X men are on vacations. He's like the pseudo
leader as we see that he should not be leading the team. It should
be rogue or not anything like Xavier. I didn't think Xavier's in the right
headspace in these two episodes because, like I said, I just feel like,
granted I get it that, I feel like he should be met.
That's up to everybody's journey. If you get a note saying somebody's already married
by till me get that. That's up to you if you stay mad thaten
or not. I feel like in episode one and episode two he flipflops a
lot within just scenes of each other. He'll be like, and that's what
you could deserve more for keeping the secret, and then the hug and be
like, oh, my close friend, and we'll get you through this.
It's just like, I get that's an emotional situation, but he's all over
the map and he's two. So not that I dislike him like Moira,
but it's just hard to commit of I'd rather him just be mad at her
the whole time and then help or just decide, Okay, I'm I'm good
with you. And I think most of the times they've been like, oh
they were lovers, but it feels like he's been good with her like when
they have interacted and out to this level. So it would have made more
sense if it was his kid, because then you go, oh, maybe
she lied about him, that's why he's all pissy, right, But it's
just like, why is this time he's specifically like really mad about her?
Maybe I guess it's just tracing back to that first marriage right where the guy
where she left her for this guy who wouldn't even stay around for a mutant.
But uh yeah, Charles, he's he's kind of a little off in
his game in his episode. So it's interesting to get that backstory now of
all these like four seasons in after we've been in Treat, we've probably seen
more of what three separate times and even some two partners in there, So
it's interesting to get that little extra bit of info now and how savage it
truly was. And it I guess that's where it feels weird, where they
are good and they maybe should hate each other more. But I don't know,
like all this information isn't new information in Charles, so this whole time
he's had that backstory of it's just now weird being shown that for the first
time, So I don't know. I wonder if this was a decision made
like later on to do this. I get I guess it was to some
extent, So I see what you mean. It does feel a bit weird
and inconsistent, but that might just be the way we were given the episodes.
Yeah, cants get anything say in Charles. Uh No, I just
agree with what you said, he's been pretty fitch fifty Yeah, emostly compromised.
Yeah, I will say too. I feel like in this string of
episodes, like all five of these, I feel like I've never seen him
get popped out of his chair. So many times he's just having to get
someone to get him back in that chair. He's he's he's got a rough
go about emotionally but also just physically. He just keeps getting seatbelt, seatbelt.
Yeah, it could be a death sentence though, because what if he
gets like thrown down river and then you can't get out of the chair.
I feel like button that does it? Only like a button to get out
of a seatbelt eject. I feel like he should have a mine seat belt,
you know, like he's telling, yeah, why why people? What
is a mine seat belt? Like a what's the mind? You'll you'll get
one of the next month. Xavier can only access anything that was a brain
in it, Like you have a brain. They'll put a little brain in
the seatbelt. Put a brain in the seatbelt, Yeah, in the seat.
Is his chair powered by his power or is it just like some tech
thing because it hovers. Gotta be tech. He'd be the yeah, a
bit of both, Like there's nothing to say it stuy Diesel engine in it,
big black clouds. No, this is he's got him quick, he's
got bone breaker. He's I think was lifting up. I remember who's that.
It was the wiz Kid. I'm trying to remember the whiz Kid Kid.
Was that what techno cansis or techno Path? Yeah, I forget it,
Techno path, that's whatever it was. But Yeah, the other thing
that I found, I guess this is not that puzzling when you factor in
that this is a kid who's probably what like ten twelve years old, who
has presumably never spoken to anyone except for Moira and I guess Panshee in this
facility, so obviously his social skills are going to be just horrendous and he
can't understand connections between. Yeah, he's severely messed up, But I still
found it very puzzant when he was going through the town and he was mind
controlling different people and he went into that other kid's mind, and then the
kid's dad was talking to him and was very mad that he had infected his
kid's brain and like done this whole thing, and that he was just he
got so angry by that. I thought that could have been an interesting moment
where him being in that moment and feeling the love from this father could have
been actually like a cool positive thing that put him off on this path to
go do whatever he's gonna do, but instead of just turned to anger.
And that's like this whole character is just he's just angry and there's not much
other nuance to it. But yeah, I found it was like kind of
dumb how he could not comprehend why the father would be mad at him for
taking over his son's body. And also, do you think can everyone else
see the green eyes when he's in someone's mind or is that the viewer to
see that something? Because I feel like he talked to some people when he
was intelligent and they didn't pick up that there's something was funky with them.
So I was a little unclear if that was just like because yeah, like
the father is literally staring face to face with his boy and his voice just
as these like crazy green eyes, Like the dad reacted in a way that
he knew something was wrong. I don't know if that was just when he
got closer to me and see the eyes. It's it is weird the rules.
You don't know because in episode two that happens where there everyone's starting to
protect like Joe mcgrat tagrit and then wait, is this name Joe mattagrit McTaggart.
Is it Joe mctagrit, Yeah, think so. So she's kept his
name after all this time, even though like a terrible divorce, it happens,
it happens. Grand grandma still has maybe that was her last name and
he yeah, or maybe maybe the same name everyone everyone in that town,
everyone in that town has that. Let's circle back, everyone in Scotland or
Ireland has mcgg than. You said your grandma Kirkland did that? Was it
a terrible divorce? No, it's I mean I was really young with divorce,
so it's been like decades now, divorce twenty years. I feel like
you probably just that's your last name. It's probably easier to, you know,
go through all the legal hurdles, I guess. But like if you're
gonna in theory, you're getting married again at some point and maybe you want
to take another what you want? Do you wanna flip flop your name back
and forth like every every expensive travis a divorce? I agree. If it's
you had a kid and the guy literally pushes to the curb and your kid,
I feel like you have a little more resentment. I would. I
wouldn't want to a child though, because I mean, obviously child's name doesn't
have to have any child's name could be her last name though as well.
Yeah that's true, but at the time they would assigned the person two because
it would have been his last name. No, you can change in the
day of the day of is when he left her? Joe left her?
No, well, I guess what is the timeline that? Like, what
is it? How would he know? You come out like that's a mute
and like, I don't know. I guess right away. I guess you're
right. It's amazing. Yeah, I'm just saying this situation straight. And
I also just think that I have to look it up. But I don't
think that's why it is in conics. I think she's always been more in
mctagger. I don't think she married that name, so I'll have to look
into this aft. I like the avenue that he took her name. I
like that he just is running. He's just running as a mctiger. His
whole new fan powerful name for a political leader. It's a strong political name
to take that. Joe Smythereens before. It's not a Scottish name at all.
Like that, you don't sound too Scottish either, though I don't think
he was. I don't think he would. Another random question. I don't
know if maybe I've just never noticed this, but when they when you know
they or I guess probably Wolverine and Jubilee the blackbirds name of their ship,
right, I was for getting Quinget and blackbird mixed up. But when they
fly out of the X Mansion, they there's like a pool. It comes
out from under a pool, The pool moves and the blackbird comes out.
Has it always been that way and I just forgot about that detail? Or
was that like before? At least once? I feel like I've we've seen
the pool move in my mind, I'd never seen the pool before. But
or is it about basketball court like the movies? That's what I was gonna
ask, because we know there's a basketball court. They were playing basketball court
in one of the I thought it was the court and swimming though you are
for sure it was a pool. It was definitely a pool in this episode.
In this episode they've moved or they put a pool over the they got
rid of the basketball team. The basketball team went last season, didn't build
a pool. That's that's the episode I want. I want to see that.
I want to see the team where Charles is coaching basketball team. That's
it's getting like super super stressed about it too. Yeah, don't made unbuckle
his seat. I'm over there. Get your backs into it. That's like
the dash team that they can't use any of their power, so they just
suck, you know. But my only last note I have this is like,
obviously they've had the full context, but I think Charles saying calm down
son to a guy that's looking for his father's probably not the best move to
do. Just like the verbiage there, because he's just like, is that
my father? Could that be a father? And Charles by calm down son,
I feel like that was he should have he should have thought, my
son, get myself right. You can have opened it to be clear you're
not my son, But yeah, what can I help you with? Son?
You're not pro xavier, you know? So anything else on specifically episode
one here, I just like in my closing notes here, I feel like
him just trying to go into Proteus's head is not going to help the case
either. This kid has no fucking clue what's going on. Normally, right,
normally that would be, But I feel like that's not what you want
to do. I feel like you need to be face to face. This
kid, who has had no proper as you mentioned on social interactions, has
no idea what the fuck's going on, and so you're gonna start talking to
him in his mind. He's like, you can't even see his face though,
right, because like you can't actually see Kevin in the proteus. You
can, you can see the green eyes on the proteus head, though,
said a freak proteus. I can't even see your eyes. Cream. Just
add gasol in to the fire and make it that much better. Such a
freak Proteus, Such a freak Kevin. Where's your father, proteus? But
you don't even know? All right, I'm gonna thumbs now, Yeah,
thumbs down could be worse, So I'm not gonna have two thumbs down.
Yeah, it's just more man man on the negative side, bring this this
one again. Almost forgot we had that. I always forget about her and
then she up. Is this a thumb up somewhere? I'll do a thing.
I'll do a finger up with that damn up. Proteus Part two,
when Proteus discovers that his deadbeat dad as a prominent politician, says that an
description I don't make that. He storms a union hall right in the middle
of his dad's campaign speech on family values. He tells his father that he
is his son. His father denies that. He runs off in horror,
crying for help. Anger at his father's reaction, Proteus creates havoc, but
Professor X later calms him down and he stops the rampage. He then goes
back to Mere Island with more mctagrit so the description of the use the word
havoc because I'm like, that's an X Men character. Yeah, yeah,
he made it funny. Yeah, tell you you look like I got I
got this, I got I got so two points. I love mctiggert's election
campaign thing family man. That just fucking cracks me up. And then the
the other thing is when Moira, Moira calls him says like Kevin's out.
His response, Kevin will put him back. I know she made it sound
like he was walking a dog and she just like let him out for a
little bit so bad. He definitely I was gonna say, like as far
as piece of ships go in the X Men, able to do like a
ranking of that when we do a ranking episode and predictions, because he's definitely
top. I don't know if he's number one because you also got the creed
in there, but he could be. You could make an argument for him
being number one, just like you said the way he's talking about Kevin,
awful person who's a complete hypocrite about the like what he's running on. And
and then even then just like I know they they make good at the end
and he calms down, he's like, oh, I saw I shouldn't judge
you. Can you ever forgive me? But it just seemed just feels like
at the like everything's already been solved, Like you weren't a part of the
winning team. It's like the person that on the team project didn't know,
like no work, and they came in and got the end. They're like,
good job everyone, we're real team. Like that's not fight he did.
It's like he didn't help at all, dude, Like this was everybody
else Kevin and literally just walks down the sunset. Yeah, you see the
photographers in the background, like, oh, he's doing this as a publicity
style. Oh yeah, So like no matter what, it just feel like,
yeah, big big piece of shit. I guess like this is like
a little bit better than the first one for me because there's like some fun
moments in here, and but it's it's again that's so similar quality to me
as the first. So it's just such a slimmy weasel, like even taking
Kevin out of the equation when they're when he's doing like his political speech and
he's like going for these family values and like the crowd's eating it up.
As soon as he like finished talking, he just goes to his like his
campaign manager. He's like, oh, we got this in the bag like
those He doesn't say it exactly, he's basically like those idiots are just eating
this up, like we got this. Like he just is exuding that like
grimy, greasy political guy that just is so like two faced and what he's
running on. And then you add in the whole Kevin dynamic and how he
just doesn't want to have anything to do with this son, and like the
quote that Taylor brought up, like like Moyra's calling him that. It's like,
hey, your son is like having this basically just life crisis. He's
he's out, he's angry, could be hurting people. It's like, well,
fucking put him back in his cage. Like, I don't, I
don't, I don't want to deal with this. I have a vote coming
up. Yeah, he took the job, so I yeah, not a
single moment does he have any like likable traits, I would say, and
like his own kids too, I would imagine it's not too healthy at his
own house as well. He uses Kevin as a political gain as well,
because after the first attack, the news reporters like, oh, it looks
like we think that suspicions that this attack was sent from Joe's political opponents or
something like that. It's like, man, this fucking sleeves balls. He's
in his son as a martyr here. Yeah, I don't know why that
needs to happen twice where Kevin surprises Joe at a political forum situation that goes
awry, he runs away, and then and then like ten minutes later that
happens again, where pro he just he's at another political thing, making like
another speech like five minutes later and then Proteus goes and breaks them in there.
That's that to me was where I was like, why is this a
two parter? You couldn't squeeze this into into one episode and finish the storyline
off. That definitely felt like something like, Okay, we need an extra
ten minutes in this episode, so let's have this situation happen twice. But
it definitely made the episode pretty weak for me. That's why again, it's
just like it feels like that's the one episode two they stretch them both them
away. We're like, I feel like we don't need most of the backstory.
We need a little bit of the backstory Xavier more, but not that
much. We like you said, we don't need this much action then kind
of redoing the same set piece twice. So that's where I really think you
could cut out about ten minutes of each and find a way even if I
guess you could make it longer, cut something else out, you know,
but even some of the fight scene just have one big fight scene and just
kind of comble them together. So because it's like, I guess it's good
they got a happy ending. You know they're gonna work together to make them
be a better mune And I feel like Charles should have offered him to go
to school, but he doesn't do that. He's still happy just to like
leave him back on this island. So yeah, my son, I don't
want him. She even asked as as it would be the perfect place for
him, and he's like, well, we're fully just fully enrolled right now,
what I mean? Yeah, or he accepts and then sends them back
with a letter saying like, oh no, I actually found another son that
I like more. By the time you're reading this, he's already enrolled in
the fast. Yeah, we just took in like fifteen the gambits of sewer
rat people. We took in who are those other people from the Sewers to
what was the Morlocks? We took in the Morlocks as well. There's a
busy fall here at the X Mansion known night crawlers, but I don't think
put a nightcrawl. He's back everybody. You know, we're gonna bring Creed
as well. So yeah. My only one note I have on this too
is the comedic again is at one point when they're walking to town, uh,
they're trying to be They're trying to be subtle, so I don't know
you have beasts. He has this classic like full trench coat for door,
everything like that, and they're all talking and then they pan over. Wolverine's
in full on yellow and blue, sparkling out. But it's just like it
doesn't matter how much you hide beasts in a jacket like this fucking flag is
right here, like just like because Wolverine has a bright caution it's a very
bright yellow and blue. He stands up probably more than beasts, and I
just love That's like he's a he Rokee. She has her jackets like okay,
and then they pan over and it's just like you couldn't have put on
one of your jackets for this mission. At least Beast is trying. But
I think it doesn't look human. That's what I took from this because you
had the trend shout the hat. I kind of hide his like his blues
hair and everything. If you're in town square and you just see this guy
pull up like you know, you know where he's from, but he looks
human, so I feel like, Okay, well he's human. He had
his mask like you just think that, so you think as he has a
mask. When he looks human, he gets the past. He's fine even
though too. I don't think these if the If that was the case and
Mutants were maybe well received here, then I feel like Beasts wouldn't have been
so incognito. I'm not saying well received. I'm just saying, you don't
think the world knows who Wolverine is, this guy who's been on multiple missions
with the X Men. I don't think so they're going to new places or
new people to really hate them for the first time. I feel like if
there was a team of mutes, it'd be pretty known in our world,
you know, like if there's a team of five, is the one on
the news, it's always Exavier on the dais He's not the other muton's on
there. I just feel like if they're trying not to stand out over and
could at least took his mask off. That's all I'm saying. So it's
all I have on this episode. My last note is that I really just
hate that the solution of the problem. I mean, I don't have that
Exavier goes into produce his mind and helps helps him, you know, connect
some wires. But I hate that the solution is that he has to trust
his mother and father and that's what brings it all together and that's what calms
his soul. Uh just I can't even really describe. I just hate it
seems like such a cop and also why the fuck would he trust these people?
That does not seem like that would be the solution. The solution should
be that he doesn't need them or doesn't need his love, or he can
go find his own family he kills. Okay, I'm not gonna go that
far. He conscious if he wants to get back to normal, but I
feel like, man, that that does not seem like the right solution as
I don't like that. It's just it's too easy, convenient, happy ending,
happy ending e. I I completely agree because I I also just hate
how Yeah, he just ends up like trusting and goes back to his box
that he's living in, like he like he even mentions I can't remember if
it's in the part one or part two, when he's just like adventuring through
through the world and like Moya tries to get him back, He's like,
no, like I'm experiencing the world for the first time, and he's just
like kind of describing certain things that he's seen for the first time. And
there's been many characters that we've come across throughout the series. Now that they
get introduced to an episode, something happens and they don't join the X Crew.
They're not necessarily evil, but they just kind of go their own way.
And I feel like this specific character could really fit in that category of
like, no, fuck you guys, like you put me in a box
for literally my entire life, which is just like a life sentence from the
get go. Like, even if he's not necessarily mad at the world,
he still kind of has to discover things about himself. And I guess he
can make the argument that maybe you know, just gotta trust because he's he's
so uneducated with how the world works, maybe he has to learn some things.
But like I just feel from like where he's at, I didn't buy
the whole just tears in his eyes, he comes back to normal. It's
like, Okay, I'll just I'll let my father that absolutely hates me and
despises me just carry me out of this this room right now and then I'm
gonna go do my lessons with Moira again. It just I really didn't like
how that ending happened, and yeah, I agree with you. I agree
sometime someumb down, same frosted counter. What'd you really enjoy with this episode,
Taylor? What did I really enjoy? I think I just really enjoyed
the fact that, uh, everything came together at the end. I was
just talking like three minutes and how I hated the ending and so did build
it. And then it's like I just really liked it ended. Damn Valuesten.
Yeah, I respected Taylor. Alright, let's get to episode three,
or I guess I should say Episode thirteen very anticipated one family tie. Shortly
after being new breaks into the X Mansion. High Evolutionary and his new men
that's what they're called. His new men capture him. I don't need my
old men anymore. I got new new man way better than mine. Called
them the beasts, but yeah, I guess work. His new men capture
him Quicksilver Beast, Wolverine and Scarlet Witch to do experiments on them. He
also released reveals that Magneto is Quicksilver and scar which his father. The other
X Men Layer defeat the High Evolutionary and his new men and say the captured
mutes. During this episode, the High evolutionary transferm Wolverine into wear Wolf.
I just I was like, the whole plot and then in fact Wolvering got
turned into all this episodes. You not mention that, Yeah, you can't.
Yeah, so yeah, what do you think about this, Kirklan?
I'm curious. Yeah, I really really really liked this episode. I thought
it was super super strong. I feel like, just all the movie pieces
in this episode I was vibing with. We got some nice Charles Magneto banter.
We got like, we got the tricky dynamic of Wolverine being ordered by
Charles to kind of look after Magneto, but he also just hates Magneto so
much. That's always a fun dynamic to have in the episode. And I
mean, we've got the twins in here, we got the twins interacting with
Magneto. I just I liked a lot of the stuff that was in here.
And obviously, my only experience with high evolutionary up until this point was
The Guardians Part three, So I really really was like, as soon as
I read the synopsis for it, not the full length one that you had,
but just the quick one that was on Disney. Plus, it doesn't
go it doesn't spoil the Wolverine turning into a wearable thing on Disney Plus,
thankfully. But I was just really excited knowing that he was in here,
and I it was very different than the one that we got, just maybe
like the actual actor portrayal of it. But he still has his men,
I guess we call them or his people and his new men sorry not his
old men or just men. And I like how he's still is. He's
just conniving and like just just trying to make these ultimate individuals. So I
I really, yeah, I really really liked this episode. I thought I
was really strong, and yeah, I'm excited unraveled with you guys. You
gotta smile on your face. I do. So It's been a while since
I've laughed this hard, but it really just got me so good because I
spent twenty four hours with you, Taylor, I saw you laughed pretty hard.
This that wasn't too long to this top Dead. And at the start
of the episode, obviously, when Xavier's in the room and he detects Magneto,
Magneto walks in behind him and says something like Exaber's like, oh how
did you get past? Like how'd you get in here? And then Magneto
shits on like his security, like a weakness, And so I wrote it
down here Exaviers, like Wolverene is on sentry duty. What have you done
to him? He immediately turns on a camera and it's like, ah,
it fucking got me. So I like they just met talking. They just
let him sit there. I might have missed it, that's just it.
I might have missed it because I don't remember him doing anything to alleviate the
situation. He just went back to talking to Magnete the monitor, that's what
he does. It. Oh, it just broke me. I was laughing
so hard, like he could have just tied up Wolverine, but no,
he was frying his ass too. And of course he comes in too late.
He's like I'm gonna kill him. Like he goes through a lot throughout
these like all these episodes. Actually we're talking about Wolverine. Yeah, tough
five days or whatever. But overall, you liked the episode, Taylor,
Oh yeah, I liked the episode. Yeah. I thought I thought it
was very cool to kind of get more. Uh oh was this the first
time we got Wanda and we've only seen Yeah, okay, okay, yeah
that was very cool. Yeah, the high Evolutionary really really cool to see
this form of him too, because I'm like you, Kirklin, I had
not seen him outside of it in the Galaxy three, so just to kind
of understand how things were kind of I'm assuming this was the the ground zero
source material for James Gunn. He watched episodes like, Okay, we're gonna
make a movie around this, So no, I think just what the Evolutionary
does in the comics, like he's always making things and stuff that he really
wanted to get Wolverine into his movie for that one second where we got to
do it. No James, No, no, no no. But yeah,
it's a good episode. I think it was cool. How what I'm
hoping has created some introductions to some future maybe narratives. I know we're kind
of coming to the end of our retrospective, but hopefully they touch upon some
of the stuff a little bit more because we got the revealed and now Magneto
knows and the twins know that they're related, so it'd be cool to kind
of see that built up a little bit more. So I will say to
like just match your expectations. I don't think they really pop up in a
big way again ever in this show. But I do think they will pop
up in the reboot, just because of wan Is popularity now, so I
feel like, and especially remember Magneil is gonna be on the X Men team,
so I feel like, especially now, they're gonna give an edict to
be like, make sure these two, especially Wanda, are in here.
I said they might pop up again, but not. I think that was
always a disappointment with everybody that they got in here so late. But I
think they will, And there's already been confirmed two seasons of this show,
so I think they they'll touch upon it, and I hope they do because
it's still somehow. You know, we have his Deadpool three rumors about Wanda
and Magneto maybe being in it, but you think about, like we've gotten
the X Men stuff Wanda, We've not gotten anything all, like anything about
them being you know, related, And look at what Fox did with Quicksilver
and Magneil when they were related, right, it was always just so I'm
gonna tell them, Oh, I won' tell him. I'm gonna tell and
they never even have Like, yeah, Kirkle looks of disgust. I was
thinking about that that moment while watching this episode, and it just made shutter.
Remember apocalyps the whole movie's gonna tell me my dad, and then Apocalypse
ends it. I'm not gonna tell them. He doesn't need to know,
and then they just break quick Silver's legs and x Mentre feels like that's why
it's it's such a weird thing. It touched to me such a and I
guess I'll just go it's such a cool I love this idea right of Magneto.
He has another kid, Polarist too. I don't like her as much,
but like, I love this idea that Okay, he had these kids
when he was young, this bad thing happens, doesn't know the kids are
alive, and this idea of one these kids hating him, and just like
I like the idea of him having these, you know, more adult type
kids because most of the kids I feel like the Mutans have are like the
child babes. But these are people that he had them when they're younger.
So there's this great you know, push and pull. Then that's why I
never understood why the movies didn't do it. And I think this is like
a really good if I could used the two part of this, it would
have been it, But I think for what we get here, I really
like what they do. I like the narrative. I like have high evolutionary
like I think like he's a good kind of combo villain to bring everyone together.
There is some funny stuff with Wolverine, but on the serious point,
I do like that Wolverine has to save him a few times. Like,
ah, as much i'd let anybody get beat up, I can't let them
get tagged, Like there's four guys be them up. And at one point
she's like, oh, even Magneto, I can't let him go this right,
Like, there's lots of good dynamics going on here. And uh,
I like the looks of One and quick Silver, the classic ones. They
got Quicksilver with quite like a I have such a voice like he's a very
It's almost similar to make Needle, where he does such a loud type of
voice. But I kind of like that because it's not what I expected.
Yeah, well, right, so I liked overall. I like the episode.
I think you could have done more cool things with Ei their powers and
showing that off, because I feel like they even want it. You don't
get to go like a bunch. But yeah, I really enjoy this one.
I'd probably say this is my probably say it's my favorite of the five,
even though I really like the other two coming up as well. So
you say you liked this like the adult version of instead of like being younger
kids having this relationship with their parents and kind of like unfolding. Do you
like, like Storm with their adoptive son or like, you know, if
we ever get to Cyclops and Jean Gray, they always have like a young
kid like stuff like that. These guys are clearly in their late i'd say
early twenties. Maybe you know, I was gonna say, like a coarse
hair and a Cyclops kind of relationship. Yeah, I just don't like coarse
hair though, So that's my problem, Like I just I just I don't
give a shit about for him as much. Yeah, see, exactly,
not as cool. I like them being the posing sides and stuff like that.
But yeah, you're right, there is that relationship. So I guess
you can count Creed and Sabertooth as well because they're a man talk about that
again. But there's this this, This is the better version of those ones,
I guess. So the last point I love. We're also seeing I
think each episode of every time we see Bangneto, we see him like less
and less, even though yes he did that thing Wolverene, you see him
more warming up and being a bit more kind hearted. So I really feel
like, obviously they didn't plan to do a sequel series, but us knowing
that he's give me in the X Men and the reboot, it feels like
it is actually leading to that. It feels like he's keeps moving more and
more towards being a part of the team, so I appreciate that. Yeah,
I really enjoyed this episode because there's just so much going on. To
what you said, Travis, I agree where this feels like a two part
are in terms of how much content, how much is going on, But
the fact that they you know, all cram it into one without it feeling
rushed is always impressive. When they're doing that. There's twenty minute animated shows.
It's always always great when they can get that level of depth out of
there. So yeah, I had a lot of fun. It was great
to see the high evolutionary here. I like his look because it's very similar
to like what he looks like in Marvel Snap you know, like the Guardians
the Galaxy version is much a different style than this, and I don't I'm
guessing that that kind of version pops up in the comics at some point too,
But I guess this is mostly classic high evo sort of aesthetic. Right,
Oh, what do you mean the Guardians version? Yeah, like that
was maybe it's been somewhere, but this is probably the more popular version.
I would say, it's so very rarely. This is usually the go to
version, and I get why James didn't do that version, because it makes
sense to get an actor in there. I think, yeah, I think
they made the smart route. But yeah, most it looks very goofy in
this where I think they want him to be very menacing and kind of horrific
in that movie, and they do a great job of that. But I
love his look here, except for I don't like that when he opens his
mouth he just has like a regular ass tongue. Yeah, that was tripped
me out as well. I didn't like that. That was kind of messing
with me. And then I think, maybe if I have anything negative to
say about this episode, it's just that I guess Magneto, like we've seen
him a decent amount now, but still way less than I was expecting when
we first went into this retrospective, So it's always fun to see him.
Quicksilver and Scarlet, which you don't really get the love of depth that you
want for these characters because there's so much going on because it's just one episode,
because it's the first time we're being introduced them in a meaningful way.
And what you're saying, Travis, is like, don't really expect more.
That's too bad. But I think you're right. I think we'll definitely see
them in the new series a lot more. But yeah, because of that,
like I don't really get much time to detach them. And of course
I love those two characters because of all the other iterations I've seen them in,
but I can't really say I love them because of what they were shown
here. So yeah, I definitely want to see more of them. But
still I still I still really enjoyed this episode, even if I didn't really
get that that full depth of the characters that I would hope to see,
and I just I just want that time with them. And you know,
even Cyclops and Jane, we talked with those characters who took sometimes even multiple
seasons before we got to the stuff that really made them intriguing, really in
depth characters that we love now. And so obviously for everyone you need you
need a decent amount of time to be able to have that, and for
them, they just obviously don't have that here. So yeah, especially like
pulling just from obviously the MCU, like I just understand now the full maybe
not even the fault, but just what Wanta is capable and she is like
that god tear superpower level character and like seeing like in this episode, I
feel like you wouldn't think that her and Quicksilver are like not unbalanced on like
their their power levels. Like Quicksilver really pops off at various moments of this.
He does this just like tornado power. It's like, holy shit,
I don't know he was capable of just flying through the air like that.
That was katty interesting. Sorry, can we stop on that because is he
really because to me, just like he was using that to turn himself into
like an umbrella, like he was just floating. Oh yeah, he had
the peach, he had thet I wondered if can he make tornadoes? Can
he move it? Is it strictly just to slow down his descent. I
was a bit confused. He goes fast enough, you know, I feel
like anything's possible. Yeah, I think it was just like running to like
make it's almost in the sense of like they've changed a little bit. It's
the same way as like Magneto can't really fly. He just like uses metal
to push off of things. So it makes it like he's flying, but
he's not. Yeah, I feel like something he doesn't have metal powers.
He just has Yeah, he just has infinite energy. Yeah, he can
do like Yeah, he popped off again this episode two where it was against
them or somebody where he just threw like a laser shield out or something.
I was like, geez, like as well, yeah, just like this
guy got the most powerful mute on the planet. Right, that's oh,
I know when he said that on Kevin No, I agree. He's in
the com books he's omega mutant like so well, I think they're both a
mega. But I but Apocalypse has a lot of metal on him, you
see, So that that that's kind of an issue non non non magnetic metal.
Yeah, of course doesn't go off yet, but I think that so
I I do like Magneto obviously always having the magnetism powers, but I do
like the versions too where he does he does create like just a force field
around him and can't be hit Like I do think the Magneto I have is
an omega level, Like he has magnetism, but he does have like I
don't know about like the late the yellow lasers to like tie people up.
But I just feel like he can go toe to toe with really anybody,
you know, for sure, I do like I do love at least the
aesthetic of like what those powers look like around him, Like when he has
that sphere around him and he's just floating through the through the sky. It
does look badass, but that's where like I always just love the way that
the live action movies handled Magneto because they always like explain something like there.
I think it's an X two when he what he like gets someone to Yeah,
yeah, he like gets like someone's ass. That's true. I'm not
making that she puts someone's ass, pumps iron in his butt and then the
iron goes through his blood and that's her mckel. There's too much iron in
your blood. Like even in X Men first is it first class? When
he when he when he gets the uh what are they called, Oh,
my gosh, the centuries like confused with metal days the future. Yeah,
he puts the centuries what are they called? Century? He puts metal all
throughout them, and then he can control. There's always like an explanation at
least through the like the live action on how he's able to do it.
So I've always loved that level of at least explaining that way. But you
know, it's it's a live action cartoon, just fucking go with it.
And that's where I'm a action cartoon. It's a non live action cartoon.
Baseball stadiums to that's that's pretty power. So it's pretty damp power. This,
like this specific episode, I feel like it could have, especially just
having the twins in there and the high evolutionary and just like it brought in
a lot of new concepts. I feel like we could have had like a
like a like a Phoenix Force level of arc where it's like three or four
or five episodes actually where they like they really spend time tackling a lot of
these things, because by the end of it, like a lot of things
aren't are sorry, a lot of things are left unanswered. With the high
evolutionary just fucking off, or we have the twins just I mean, like
Dylan Brod, like, we just don't really know too much about them if
we just look at this episode alone. So I am very excited actually knowing
an X Men ninety seven, we're gonna be getting more of them, especially
just because I mean, Wanda's s tier superhero at least from the MCU,
So I'm very excited to just see what they do with that, and as
well as Quicksilver. You know, I love those badass scenes at least in
the days of future past, first class era of what's the actor's name,
help me out there, Evan Peters, Evan Peters, Like, I like
the badass moments with him, but I want to see this Quicksilver, you
know, like I want to see what he's capable of, because I feel
like it's just I've s Tirwanda and he's like b C Tier, and I
want to see him in a brighter light. Mm hmm, that'd be good.
I found it interesting that High Evolutionary has kind of a similar I guess
I don't know how to word it, but he's very similar to mister Sinister,
and that mister Sintons is always trying to capture a mutant or two,
preferably the strongest ones. He wants to suck their plasma, suck their DNA
and then make use that to create stronger beans or I guess mister Sinister will
use it to power up himself to some extent too, So I like,
I like that there's kind of that similarity between them, and it makes me
really just want more of High Evolutionary as just one of those reoccurring villains,
And hopefully he does pop up in the in the new series. I mean,
I guess the timing of them working on the show and Guardians three,
I don't know if I woul couple. Maybe season two they go it would
be fun to bring back this High Volutionary and see what he's doing. But
I really hope that this guy does get promoted and we see him more,
because what you said, Kirkland, like he doesn't have one of those ending
is where when we saw his cerebratooth fall into a canyon, we know he's
gonna be okay and he's gonna come back at some point, but they try
and set it up is like okay, he's he's dead. He has died.
This guy. He gets in his fucking geene jackiet Ufo, picks up
his homies, his new men. He's out of there. He's good.
He is a okay, he is not even like I think mister Sinisor was
like turned into sand at one point, right and then we saw his face
in the sand. Whatever was going on there, This was like, no,
unambiguous that he is out there. He is at large still and he's
gonna go find some new crop of mutants to create some stronger new men.
And then this new new man, the newest Man. Yeah, I hate
that name. They need a better name. But I really like this kind
of similar to mister Sinister, but still has his distinct differences. So another
I'm just really happy with this villain. Yeah, for what he did here,
even if it is something that we've somewhat seen before. Or Yeah,
no, I like him about you. I feel like he's right up her
Ripe your Alley liked him Guardians, so you like what it's going on.
Like that tongue, Yeah, like that tongue to catch the tongue. To
be honest, I walk a lie. I was trying to get a read
on him, because he definitely sold me as being more like the good guy.
At the beginning, I'm trying to find like the Midwife and all that
kind of stuff, and after my research and all that, all that crazy
ship. But the moment, yeah, the moment you just Magneto's got this
fucking note meet me here at this time. It's like this note is super
fucking suspicious. In a graveyard, in a graveyard in the dark, next
to her grave. Yeah, the cloth figure got me. That was that
was funny, Like he magna pulls the hood down and then the cloth figures.
I'm paraphrased, but you're pathetic, and then she storms off laughing at
him. He's like your parents, Oh those new men always so the whips.
But I'm with you. I like to see this character come back because
yeah, they they escaped in the UFO. There they're out there somewhere.
Magnets like, there's no where what does he say, There's nowhere on earth
you can go where I won't find you something like that. He's got such
badass lines. There's a line too that I loved of just this super confidence
and just bad ass for you that Magneto just exudes. And it's when like
right after that scene that you just portray with the hooded figure and then the
twins pop out, and then you know, Magneto's who the hell are you?
Drops that line and then they're basically saying like like we're here to get
revenge for someone that's fallen amongst your path, and then he says, you'll
have to be more specific. There's been many and it's just like it's not
even like he feels bad about just popping off on people, like he knows
that he's just he's just decimated hundreds of people up until this point, and
like he's not trying to like sugarcoat it, like I have no idea who
you are. I don't know who the hell I murdered. It's probably likely
because I've murdered many. But like you like, his lines just feel like
like a Thanos level badass like evil guyline. And yeah, I just love
especially just the voice actor doing it. He just he just does such a
good job. I love the design as well of Magneto with the long white
hair he's got, like the trench coat as well in this He's just man,
I love the look and feel how that Magneto's got. What did you
think about the origin of this where he got so mad at a community he
decided to pop off and destroy it, but that caused the death of uh
yeah, so that I liked it a lot as well, But I kind
of was like, I don't know if I'm just bringing in my own kind
of head cannon any moments in it, because they don't really explain the whole
situation of what's happening, because like I know, he's popped off on like
like Germans before. You know, I don't know if that's in like this
cannon, but like I don't know the whole extent of maybe the if they're
good or bad guys, Like they just said that he like decimated a village.
Maybe he was trying to kill bad guys and his powers just kind of
went off and like murdered many many people there. That's at least how I
took it. So I don't know if I'm way off in the weeds there
if they don't be specific by I thinking at least in the show, they're
trying to show it as a like mutant haters or something. That's so I
take it it's like an foh type of people. I don't think you just
popped off on this run down. I was like, fuck you, and
I took it down, like I feel like it's like you're not welcome here
sort of group. And then he went to do it. And then I'll
say, I'd like to know the whole context because like where was she in
the realm of taking down maybe this entire city that would end up killing her.
Maybe she was there trying to stop them. I don't know, but
I'd like it in a way whatever the context is of Maynto in battle accidentally
killing the woman he loves. So you know, again, it's also still
the like it's a little murky on the details because like how long was he
with here? Was he just in town visiting? And then he killed the
town but the kids were somewhere else? Like did you not know about the
kids at all? Like there's some there's some questions you got to kind of
handwave. But as an origin I like and I like that magn Needle's very
you know, trying to put out the the ol branch. And I really
enjoy both Exavier but especially Beast giving him like a poem at the end of
like trying to like about forgiveness, and I like that again in this episode,
you got Wolverine saving him, Xavier's more warmed up to him, and
now Bees too like Main I guess, you know, bes of in Someway
friendly like Magneito offered a break him out of jail right in season one.
But I just like that you're seeing more x men try to give him a
helping him. Of course me, I was like, it doesn't matter,
I'll find a way myself, and he flies away. But again, I
like the team building there, and if we see one in Quicksilver again,
and the new series kind of makes sense. It's gonna be five years later
because you know, ninety two ninety seven, so you know that's enough time
maybe to forgive him. So I I really like Beasts trying to get on
Xavier's Bandwigon like hey, like you know it's gonna be okay, like you
know, we're here for you, and mag Neial's not ready for that,
but uh, I enjoyed that that moment at the end. I agree.
I just kind of chuckled when that happened because he comes in. He's like
Magnet, you know, how can they ever forgive me for for what I
for? Basically what I do their mother and Beast just strolls in to quote
Isaac Watts and like he always just has a quote just ready to go,
and I love him for it, but it's just kind of funny at this
point that you know, like maybe someone doesn't really want to hear your quotes,
Beast. That's not the case in this situation, but it's just his
his isms, and I don't know, I think it's just like the pattern.
Now. I feel like if Beast is on screen and there's this resolution
type moment happened in the episode, it's like a bingo game, like you
know he's gonna be dropping some sort of quote from some philosopher. Come up
with your own line, Beast to quote myself from twenty twelve, that they
should do that in the new season, like to quote like himself from the
old show. That I like circle moment. That's all for me on this
episode. Pull up my notes, folks. I did like the jouster type
characters. I guess they're they're the new Men or just the Men whatever they're
called. But those are the ones that like Wanda kind of gta's and then
uh Quicksilver does his tornado ability to land on there. It's just I don't
know, cool design, and also just I like the palace that the High
Evolutionary had. You know, it's not really exuding good guy vibes at all.
So I think when the twins go there, it's like, oh,
let's go up to my palace up there, It's like, Okay, that's
a bad guy fortress I've ever seen one. Yeah, but still cool design,
and yeah, I like the High Evolutionaries looking this. I also just
love the uh the idea of Bova Bova the bovine. You know, it's
not the the most in depth play on words there, but great midwife.
You know, she seemed very wholesome. Yeah, I had nothing other than
like what the descriptions said. Cool to see wolverine as a you know,
or Wolverine as a wolf, you know, cool to see that. So
definitely would have wanted that action figures a toy. But uh yeah, I
think it's like, I don't know, it's one of these of like critically
i'd give like a thumb and a half, but still for enjoyment, I'm
gonna drop the two thumbs up. You know. It's just I had a
good time. There could be improvements, but uh, I just still enjoy
it. A lot. So yeah, I think this is one of my
favorite episodes throughout the entire series. So big thick, two thumbs up for
me. I will do it too, double thumbs do it. This is
a double thumber lose an eight thumb Wow, happened too many times? Blood
Lies. Nightcrawler gets some mysterious message. He's informed that his birth mother,
whom he never knew, is in trouble. He turns to the X Men
for assistance. Jubilee is baffled that Nightcrawler wants to help the mother who abandoned
him. Nightcrawler mets there has been some pain, but his faith in God
has helped him overcome her rejection. The plot thickens when one more team member
recognizes nightcrawler Mother's voice. Bom bom bomb. Are you reading these descriptions off
again? Is it the Marvel Wiki or you know it's just Wikipedia? Oh
just look, yeah, I always do. We did a Sperman and I
always go to the Wicked, just regular Wikipedia. And like I said,
it's weird that didn't spoil this time, but why, what's what's what's wrong
with this one? It's just I don't they just tell a lot and it's
not always consistent. They don't always spoil the episodes. Sometimes they just tell
you the entire as well. He didn't tell you anything about the rogue,
right, I didn't have a fun one member. One member recognized the voice
could be anybody raven No, but even thought that in the past. Yeah,
exactly. I'm curious what you thought about this episode. Uh yeah,
more family ties, just kind of going off the charts here with the blood
lines of the time, blood lines and time. Yeah, blood lines.
I don't I don't recall, like certain things kind of announced with rogues,
like lineage with he's gonna say something, really, I don't recall, don't
recall, Yeah, between Mystique and rogue. So I think it was cool
to get a little bit more clarification on that, and just to have Mystique
back was very cool because there's a long grace period of not having her around.
Grace period, grace period. Wolverine's just uh, just fucking He's angry
as always. Kids are kind of a tough door trick or tree, and
he just wants to kill there's that. Yeah, Jubilee. God he wasn't
there, Yeah, thank god he wasn't there. Piece is enough going on
Wolverine's just gonna make fun of his appearance even more like quote, I was
like, what, Drick. But overall I I did enjoy the episode,
Like I said, getting more of that familial unveiling was really really good.
Uh, and just a few of the other surprises, like I'm trying to
wrap my head around this, understand. And so Sabertooth and Mystique they slept
together, is that right? Yeah, it goes back in the comics,
back in the day when he was before he's fully beast Demode. It was
something like he was around some sort of country maybe might even in Germany or
something I don't know, and then or even Russia. And then Mystique poses
as like a Russian or German agent whatever maybe, and then they get it
on and then yeah, so she the timeline, it feels like you're confused.
Heyl first kid is Creed, Greg Graydon Creed or whatever the fuck his
name is, it's Creed. They get on and like, let's just say
like the seventies or something, right, and then later on she meets this
aristocrat, gets married, has a kid that's Nightcrawler, it's a demon,
goes through a way and then she adopts Rogue later on. So remember it's
not biological, but she adopted Rogue. Remember when they're doing all the Captain
Marvel stuff, it was Rogue or his mystique, kind of like having her
do her evil high jinks in like a disguised way, and then Rogue figured
it out. I thought, as Zazel was night Crawler's father, Well,
yeah, not in this one though. Yeah, in the comics it is,
but in this one they made an aristocrat at that, Like, why
is a demon? Yeah, pretty much? What'd you say, is the
count accountant? Yeah, this guy who's just like aristocrat Joe, Uh what
is that mcdang grit, it's just like this Sputin baby. But yeah,
and this one it's not his Azel. No, in the comics of his
Azel, but they changed that up here to fit with this origin of getting
rid of the child. Okay, okay, that makes sense. Yeah.
I just I thought, like, wow, she's with saber Tooth, Nightcrawler's
dad, and I'm glad they clarified the thing with Rogue and that lineage.
There's lots of stuff, a lot of craziness going on, but you know,
I liked it. I liked having Nightcrawler back because this is his second
episode we've seen him, right, yeah, yeah, so I'm very very
happy to see him back. Third, I think third because I think we
saw him again. But it was like a very brief just like action scene.
Yes, like that Days It was another Days of Future Pasty thing right
where he just randomly was popping off the one episode in the actual church and
the ski hill and all that or right to him right, Yes, he's
bringing his religion back on this episode, so lots of there's lots of fun
stuff. I never went anywhere. He's not bringing it back. He was
always there. He's praying every night, don't Yeah, I enjoyed this episode.
It's interesting to have two episodes back to back that are very much about
this big plot twist or like character connection reveal. But I feel like in
both, I guess with the technically in the last episode, like Wanda and
Quicksilver as the audience, technically you don't know that, but like we obviously
know that because it's just kind of well known fact at this point. But
for this it's like we already know what the twist is going to be based
on. I want to say those last season when we got that reveal with
Rogue and uh and Mystique. So interesting to have two episodes back to back
that are doing that very similar I guess kind of story beat. So I
think this one's definitely a bit weaker for me than the previous one. Uh.
And that's just because I don't care too much for Creed and the foh
that's going on in this episode. But I'm into all the Mystique and Rogue
and Nightcrawler stuff. That's fun. And I was not a big fan of
Nightcrawl in that first episode. You guys are all much higher than than me
on him, but I liked his inclusion much more this time around. So
yeah, it was a solid episode. Yeah, I thought it was a
pretty darn solid episode. I think what just takes it over and above for
me is just Nightcrawler. It's a big episode about him, and I just
man, I always loved just how badass he was, especially like the live
action. I love that opening scene. I think it's X two just really
badass character. And now that I've been able to, you know, to
have a couple episodes with him here in the animated series, like, I
just love this character. I love just the way that he's able to boost
them morale of others around him, especially just you know how he's able to
help out Wolverine, he helps out Jubilee in this episode. He's just he's
just such a positive force to have on your squad. You know, like
he's not the biggest heavy hitter, but I feel like his support stat just
goes so underrated. You can do a lot of things with his abilities,
but he just yeah, he just he just boosts a lot of people around
him. He's no, he's not pushing his religion on people, but he's
also just kind of shining some of the uh the positives I guess of of
of his beliefs and how it is able to benefit him and possibly others if
they want to go that route. So I just I really really like this
character. I yeah, and I feel like it's really him that just boosts
over the edge because I really don't care for Creed the f the foh is
like it's it's it's not like the worst villain I guess to to keep having
come back in in our Mutants way because it is like I I do like
when they cackle those maybe like just discrimination type things when it comes to mutants
because it's very relevant to just real life and and I feel like that just
X men in general do a good job, or the show in general,
as well as the movies do a good job. It's just shining some light
on that. But I really it was it was the it was the Nightcrawler
stuff for me, and even like the twists, Yeah, I wasn't too
surprised about how how where we were going with that stuff. Unsurprised, Like
I feel like I was kind of surprised about some of the comedy that I
got out of this, specifically with Creed being dropped off at you know,
Papa's doorstep with dude, such a weird scene. And even when Creed just
like super cocky goes to the FOH headquarters and he's just like okay, I'll
take my my captain's chair back and they're like, fuck you, dude,
like we like your dad is a mutant, like you basically are so pathetic
to us, like you're your bottom of the food chain now, And just
the way that his they like animate his his face, It's it's just kind
of funny. Sometimes we had it in the last time that he found out
Sadu or I don't know. We just had those Sabertooth interactions with him last
time, and he's just so pathetic and the way that they're able to show
that in his face. This is pretty funny sometimes, so some comedy there,
but yeah, really really strong Nightcrawler episode for me. Yeah, no,
I think to I guess start on the negative round and go that right
way with Foah, Like I agree. I think it's just like at this
point they just feel so played out. It feels like we had like season
one and two, we did so much with them. I do like the
almost shield type masked figures now that we have where it's like, okay,
it's like a secret society of like really high people that may be in public,
Like I support Muns, but they hate them, so I don't mind
that type of wrinkle. It was just getting back to Creed was like,
oh man, like I don't need to go here again, especially because there's
so much going on this episode of Mystique being back take out the Creed because
like I get you know, it would be him and save to but Mystique
being back a Nightcrawler, Mystique having that moment, Rogan Nightcrawler having a moment
even though they're not that related, it's like they're technically in the family chain
related. And then you have this mission going on, and I just think
you could have replaced Creed with any other foh type of team or just a
generic guy and go that route. So I would have liked I enjoy all
of it. I just would have liked even a little bit more of There's
that scene on the bridge. I really enjoy a mystique in Nightcrawler Talkie and
Night Crawls like mystique laying out the whole situation of why she gave him up,
and you find out that she didn't throw them, she gave him a
chance. But and you're actually seeing mystique like shed a tear, and she's
starting to show some human motions, but so many times she's just been like
mostly evil. We've seen some flashbacks with Rogue where there is a human there
or like a human personality, but mostly she's cut off. So I like
that with when she sees Nightcrawler and she's just completely kind of ready for him
to discount her. She goes, oh, how could you say? Oh?
Well, of course he goes on about like my God would have to
make me forgive so I forgive you. So she's just kind of taken aback
that he's just completely forgiving and willing to accept her back in. So I
could use more of that than Creed set in Rockets at the Bridge and you
know, you get the foh and stuff, and it's fine. It's just
like because they are always a good their hydra, you know, they are
always a good villain, a pull up, like we need a generic bad
guy. Here's the people to hate me, and so I get it.
I wish there's maybe just a different version, but I'm sure the foh will
pop up in the new version, and I'm sure they'll pop up on the
God the MCU when that happens, because I feel like that like is very
specific, can play a lot to what we're going with today. But just
in this show, I feel like the foh was a little a little done
for me. But no, I really really enjoyed this episode. Could he
use this as a two parter? I love Nightcrawler. I love the relationship
Wolverine Nightcrawler have, Like he's the only one that kind of calm Wolverine down
in a way other than Gene, which is kind of weird, you know,
And we talked about this before, where maybe that one episode it was
a little rush that Wolverine was already praying. I wish it maybe would have
saved a bit more. But I really like their their little romance they have
going on here, and really like Nightcrawler. So I find it kind of
peculiar how this place is really well hidden for the most part, it's tucked
away. You know, not many people are gonna be going out here,
and yet this guard opens up the door to someone saying Trick or Treed's like,
get out of your kid. We don't got no Candy just doesn't think
it's weird. That's That's that's where I draw the line a little bit.
But I don't think you have many trigger treaders that they're hidden base apparently not.
I definitely forgot about the Friends of Humanity until like that. I not
forgot, but I thought I forgot, like I thought they were off the
board. I didn't think they were a contender, and then no one's ever
off the board, And yeah, I think the last time you saw them
they were kind of defeated pretty much, So I think that's why you might
have forgot about them. Yeah, they definitely were not not doing too good.
It definitely makes me laugh when Creed thinks he can just strut back in
there and get leadership again. Chair that's I'm the leader of this place,
I feel. So what was his was his goal just to capture mystique or
what was Creed's full goal here? Like what would have got to him back
his seat at the table? You know? Was it just to capture some
XI men? Killing killing his family? I think because his family are yeah,
you're right, he wanted yeah, he wanted to kill them, and
then he preferred to his brother, but like his dad wasn't in there.
It's very curious even with the fo A, just curious that they drop him
off at saber toofs and they would have curious too many times. Oh shit,
that's gonna oh yeah, I'm gonna use it all the time now.
So I am curious. So the foh knows we're saber to this. They're
usually into capturing killing Muton's but they just know where he is and drop them
off. So it's like, does saber Tooth kind of have some sort of
deal with him, like like bring up but do you think that would happen
if if Cree would have killed mystique in Nightcrawler? Would he have got like
a would he have been back in? Was that his goal? Yeah?
Okay, I think so that buys you a lot of credit because all the
people sit like sitting in that fucking warehouse right now, excepting trick retruders,
like they're accomplishing absolutely nothing. So if he can get something done, I
think that does go a long way. And even if that big leader dude
doesn't want him to take over, I feel like the other people would be
like, Wow, let's bring this guy back in. Let's I'm sure it's
a lot of diplomacy is going on there and democratic voting and all that stuff.
I think they would make sure he gets back in the big chair there.
It's election in the f o H house. Yeah yeah, yeah,
what do you guys think happening now? To Creed? No, he's with
the Papa. It's kind of spanking, that's my guess. Yeah. I
think, like wine in the chair, some of you saying a spanking to
a grown man. There's just something very disturbing about that. It is disturbing,
especially with how big savorite you is, Like that's a drink a lot
of beer just talking about like I think Creed's tied up. He's like wherever,
like in like semi retirement right now. As the vibe, I get
he's not a suit right, he's not. But I just feel like Creed
is tired. I've never seen him in the suit. Even he's just chilling.
Yeah, so I think he's truly chilling. Now. That's where I
don't mean retired for the long hot, just mean at least I get maybe
a better thing is hiatus. I think he's just chilling for a few months.
Maybe maybe he's got to regain his strength a little bit, and he's
like, you know what, I've had enough wreaking havoc. Sorry to use
that word, I said, you see, but he seemed pretty happy to
create there. I feel like there's just there's one outthouse on the ranch,
Like I don't think anyone's coming there except like the fucking pizza delivery guy.
It's a good amount of property though, like run free and chase some Bova
and whatnot. Yeah, Like I feel like they're hunting together. I feel
like Creed the human Versions had to do a lot of cleaning. I feel
like he's clogging like a bunch of toilets every ship Oh yeah, no,
I feel like there's an out that's where Creed has to sleep. Sleep.
Creed has to sleep in this outhouse in my opinion, ship house. Yeah,
the ship house. Creed just every meal, he see so much protein?
Know me on those zebras, Dad, you've had enough, got me?
But anyways, Yeah, I like episode one of X Men ninety seven
is just gonna pick up for saber Tooth suffered and just much everything. Yeah,
just finally breaks out here. F h. He's holy Saber two's head.
But no, I feel like Creed is having a very terrible living experience
now being with Saber too. That has to just be the ship's no pun
intended. So I'll just how that episode starts too. And he's like,
well, I've I spent so many hours thinking about saber Tooth. Is that
not punishment enough? Just pleading that he's living with that now he's living in
them. They're like, you know, what's idea, this would be a
good punishment, Just send him back. Hey, you gotta hate the fo
Actually a bunch of racist motherfuckers, but like, really great plan to tie
it up around. But like I said, I'm just very curious of I
want and I don't think the show even gets this at all, But I
just wonder if the foh has some working relationship with Sabertooth because he's on the
run and he's a really good piece of property. So like it's Sabertooth maybe
just like the execution, because Saberto still strikes me as a guy that will
kills on cond if he needs to write to get buys. Oh, yeah,
said curious at some point in that sentence, and I'm curious how much
did I ship today son? Anyway, so we got yeah, what do
we think? I wanted to go back actually with Mystique and Circle night Crawler
on that bridge, that that scene that you're okay, Well, I didn't
want you to go there. I wanted to go there first. At the
start of that scene, I was just really like, I think, upset
with Mystique because I've always liked the miss about her character and how you don't
really know fully where she lies. She's definitely a double agent multiple times.
And again maybe this is just me pulling her character from the live action movies
and what they've done with her there, because she does seem like a very
complicated character. But through the show, she's basically been on the evil side,
like pretty strongly, other than maybe some minor points, like she's always
really looking at herself, and just that whole dialogue that she was having with
Nightcrawler, it's like, I did not care about you. You are an
inconvenience. I still don't care about you. Get out of my life.
You'd be better off you're dead. I'm like, man, Like, she
is just not winning me over here. This is a complete just evil character
and like not really redeemable at all. However, and then Nightcrawler be Nightcrawler
just like is just exuding so much positivity and actually turns her around in that
just that short little moment that he had because she was ready to just basically
be rid of him. She tells him the whole truth of how she did
not care about him, and like just all these things, and he's still
able to just kind of counter all that hate eat with like super positivity and
like, I think one day I'll find the strength to like really forgive you,
and just being sincere in that moment, and like that's what leads her
to shedded tear, that's what leads her to push him out of the way
and take the bullet for him, and like, like, from the start
of that dialogue, I'm like, man, Mystique is just pure evil,
no redeemable. By the end of it, I'm really hoping to get a
lot more of these kind of moments, not necessarily with I feel like you
can't have it with all these characters that Mystique interacts with because it's very few
and far between that she has these like emotional ties to. But I am
hopeful going forward that we get more of this, not necessarily like trying to
redeem the character, but just I don't know, just these these moments that
it's not like she's just pure evil. So I really really liked how that
scene at least ended, and in hindsight that the overall scene in general.
And yeah, I think a big part of it obviously is my boy Nightcrawler
just being who he is. But yeah, I really really liked where we
left off with Mystique here and can't wait to see her again in the future.
I hated though that she like died and they couldn't find her. Logan's
like smelling everyone like I don't know where she is and like literally shoes like
ten feet away ships. I can't smell her and been here. Yeah,
but like literally she is ten feet away from the sleekyway, Like I just
feel like if it reduced Wolverine's powers by a lot doing that, and I
just almost would have just I get it. The show loves to do that
where it's like, oh, we'll pick up with this in the future,
but I just want to be like pick up with it now or like have
it there. But yeah, I thought I wish they were just left it
that she was maybe dead and we didn't see her just walking with by.
She was just so close to like even make her on a hill. Watch
the fact that she's just like slinking away, well she was yeah Rogan,
Yeah, well Rogan night crawl like, I guess we're brother and sister.
Then I Ah, Wouden talks like okay, cool, here we go.
So mm hmmm uh taking a different direction. Did you guys feel like Jubilee's
voice was different in this episode It's matured. She just sounded like a different
voice actress to me, Oh really, she definitely, I agree, I
agree, Yeah, she felt different. I feel like even her design,
she does seem more mature than looking back on like season one. I mean,
yeah, I like, even in this episode, in the next episode,
there's something different about her that I've noticed, and a negative. I
felt like, next episode, the voice is back to what I remembered.
I don't know, like she was just busy that day and they got another
voice actress or something, or maybe it was just the editing or maybe the
episode was rushed when they were producing it or something. But okay, I
was just curious. You guys noticed that too, But also it felt deeper,
but didn't feel like a different actress. That's what I'll say fair enough.
And then also I feel like Jubilee has been fairly reserved character. She
has her moments where she's a bit more o going, but I felt like
in this episode she was the fucking quip machine. She was like Spider Man
in his show, where just every line is some one liner or she's like
making fun of someone or something like that. So it was cool to see
just kind of a new Jubilee. And I felt like, for I guess,
it didn't feel like a some change that's happened over time. It felt
like a bit sudden. But I felt like, I feel she's grown up
and she's part of the team and she's like more confident now, and I
don't know, you know, there's a course that never really a sense of
progression in these shows in terms of like how long has it been from that
first episode? Now? Has it been six years? Has it been two
months? Like you just you could never really know. But yeah, it
felt like this is kind of fun to have a new, suddenly newer version
of Jubilee. So I don't know. I guess that even probably just comes
down to, like a different writer wrote this episode and did something different with
her. That's ultimately what it probably is. But I guess it makes me
curious what Jubilee as a character will be like in the new one, because
I don't think they're gonna go for that kind of naive, younger character anymore,
especially if it is five years later. I know, I think from
the picture, like she still looks like a teenager, but like, is
she an adult in the new show? I don't know if we have that.
Well, well, it's tough because they all are like RockA the same
costume just to be like I think just for that like Astalgon, I know
it's in the voice actress too for this, So I'm sure that'll change.
Almost all of them are. Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed by that, I
think other than Wolverine, maybe a few others, but I think she will
be I hope. So I really don't want to pick up with the show,
especially like it's I know this has been five years, but I don't
want to pick up with her being that young, obnoxious kid at times.
And I hope there's something and she does feel more like a member where it's
always like, oh, we got looked at for Jubilee. I hope it.
She's like, no, it's like Wolverine and Jubilee are on this mission,
not Wolverine has to save Jewelry or Jewberry is there for training. So
I do feel like that has generally changed, Like she does seem to be
more valued as as a member of the team should go on things. And
I don't know if that is just because the Knees string of episodes there's like
no one around and so she has to go on the team. But I
feel like it's been a bit now since like she's the one that stays back
at the mansion or I don't know, they leave her beside when the actual
fighting starts because they don't want her to get hurt or something like that.
Yeah, I like turn this episode, Taylor, How did you feel because
I know you're always back and forth. Yeah yeah, I mean she's definitely
grown on me. Ever since you know, we saw like the Tombstone in
the Future, Jubilee and all that, you see your dad, that's when
you started liking her. Okay, there's an end of this. So she
she's definitely she is turning around. She she's getting older, she's becoming more
of that X Men character and becoming more of like a team player. And
they've they've been picking her moments a little bit better. I like, I
liked I liked her a lot more in like the next episode. Well,
I guess maybe she wasn't really in that one a lot, but everyone else
on the team, well, I definitely like when she's not around. It's
funny because, like I I've gotten to the point where I start to notice
that, oh I just I don't know why, but they can't get away
from the Sabertooth Creed thing, and I'm like, man, Jubile is probably
the one that has to unclogged Wolverine ships back the X Mansion. That that's
her that's her role toilet paper guys. Beast mask when he comes out of
the round, it was I would never do that. You see this mask.
They're like, fuck, he needs to go to Japan. I can't
stand this guy out here ever since he knows he can't get Gean. He's
such a fucking loser. He's always wearing pecet mat which she kind of we'll
get to but except he's kind of a loser, like that's how they pick
up with, like you suck man, but yeah, big loser, big
loser. Let me check. Take a look and see there's any more notes
I got on this. I think a couple of things. For me,
we were kind of joking on that that moment with Wolverine wearing the mask.
But I did like his reasoning behind being a Halloween hater in that, you
know, people go around dress up and they can dress up as a mutant
or as a freak, but then the next day they can take their costume
off from their back to normal. But he has mutants, you know there,
they're always that, that's who they are forever. So I really liked
that, just a little bit of good great writing there to once again shed
some light on we don't really see Wolverine ever feeling like that. He doesn't
feel like because he's a mutant that he's excluded or something. That's not really
the point of his narrative moments. But it's good that to know that he
does feel the way. He does have those issues every once in a while,
some self esteem and whatnot. So I like to see some of that
when it pops up. And then my last note was just a question here.
So at some point, Rogue and Nightcrawler are going through a hallway together
and Rogue has equipped that's like it's as quiet as a church on Saturday night.
And then she looks at Nightcrawl and she's like, oh, sorry,
Nightcrawler. One. I don't know what that means at all. And then
second of all, I don't know how it's an insult and why shed have
to apologize? Can you guys explain that? I was. I think it's
just like because he's a religious man, and then she's just like making a
encompassing a church, you know, didn't want to wet like I don't think.
So I'm confused about, like, why are you apologizing? I don't
think you would have taken offense by by any means. But it's also maybe
she just treading carefully because she knows or maybe forgotten that moment that he is
religious man and does take offense to anything. I mean, I don't think
so, because he just you know, he knows forgive me. Yeah,
I was having a moment. I just also like, I don't know if
churches is happening on Saturday nights. I feel like it's always the Sunday morning
thing, you know, So I feel like that's where the morning for us
here. Yeah, but I don't know if the Nightcrawler would be offended by
That's That's where I'm at. No. I think it's just like kind of
like it's their way of like using the Lord's name in vain or something like
that. Like it's not in vain, but I guess it's just like a
joke at the expense. So he's like, you shouldn't have said that.
I get serious. I don't talk to me the rest of it. I
don't care that we're brother and sister. My church on Saturday nights is popping.
He turns into his azel. Yeah. My favorite line was at one
point Wolverine a Nightcrawler talking about faith and how can change everything, and trufully
just goes, whoa, this religious stuff is intense. Oh yeah, oh,
just such a good little line. And then I'm not sure if you
noticed one kid the tricker treers. One was just like a red Dinosa or
something, but one was dressed as Spider Man. Then one was dressed as
Daredevil with the yellow the yellow. Yeah, and the Spider Man was like
almost early Miles when because it was more black and red on it, so
like Miles didn't exist at this point, but he's like a variation. So
that was fun to see. That was the blueprint for have we seen I
feel like we saw Daredevil in one of those quick shot Like I don't think
he was ever a character in this show, but I feel like we saw
one of those like ghost Rider and something. Yeah, I think you've seen
that. And then remember at this point, he was popping off on the
Spider Man show as well as the supporting character, so he was in there
in the same universe, right, so he is in this once in this
show, right yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like to with
the trick or treat sequence when Jubilee is like, oh I'll get this one,
you know, since we'll just scare away those kids and she opens the
door and herself just says trick or treat. I'm like, I don't think
that's what you're supposed to be doing. I think it's the kids that are
supposed to be I guess. So she's one kid. Anything else on this
episode not for me, Nope, I'll go a thumb and a half.
Like I said, I don't know if I needed like the create stuff that
has been fun for meme wise, but I would have liked a little more
because you get that big reveal than the conversation of the bridge, a little
more, even a little more of Nightcrawl and row because I think there's rumors
that he's gonna be a member of the team next year or like he'll be
more around, like meeting next You're not season five like the new show,
but like I just feel I don't know when we see him again, and
it's like i'd like more, even though it's a weird thing right where it's
like they're not they shouldn't have that much a relation because like she was,
really they were she was at roll, was adopted at a different time and
she had him at a different time, So really they're just on a family
tree related but even then, I'd like a bit more bonding there. But
uh yeah, so a thumb and a half, just one thumb for me,
single for memm Frost or anyway, Elma Frost is down upside down us.
I'm doing one one thumb up here, one finger in the future.
No, well you they don't exist in the future, you know, takes
it away Lotus and the Steel. Wolverine, losing control, quits the X
Men and returns to Japan of his younger days, or from his younger days.
In an effort to find himself. He works peacefully with a former spiritual
teacher, the monk a Kuu a q a Kui, to build a temple.
Sure to build a temple, but the neighboring village is about to be
attacked by bandits led by the merciless Wilver's samurai unless payment is made. Some
villagers want to resist and ask Wolverine to help. Wolverine is torn. This
is just the sort of thing he wanted to leave behind. Wolverine bests the
samurai in a single combat by taking advantage of the samurai's habit of tailporting behind
him. Wolverine anticipates the move intosables, the telportation advice, humiliating the Samurai
final battle of any X Men episode. Yeah, it's knocking these dude.
It's not great. It's it's super disappointing. Just that's just like, oh,
I can't tell port I give up. It's like, dude, you
still got this massive sword, you still got this armor. I'm assuming you've
had some training, and especially because like he has an army, so you're
thinkering gona get like Wolverine versus Silver Samurai, and there are two groups of
people fight each other, and it's just he embarrasses him. And know what's
the worst thing about this is he gets behind him. He like just picks
up cuts his little red tassels. That cuts to those next scenes. Those
tassels are back like drawn on him like it's newd ear. It's like all
over not a great thing. I like aspects of this episode. I think
I like the first half a lot, and then not just because of final
fight, but just other things. I start to trail off a little bit
again. Lots like some of these other episodes could have been a two parter.
Julie's already there, he's already going home, so it doesn't feel like
it's that big of a journey. We feel like we did this in season
one when he went off, you know, into the Ice City and like
when they were getting married, Like, I want something a bit more deeper.
I know this is a show, but still we've seen times where there's
two or three parters, so it feels like it's wrapped up a bit too
quickly. But I do like Wolverine struggling with who he is on the team,
where he is, and just what it's caused him. He just feels
lost. I love that he almost kills this kid for just cutting him off.
But I like all the Wolverine head trauma stuf, especially because I think
we've talked about season four. He's not really been a big part of this
season. Like he helped Scott save Dark Phoenix and Gene everything like that,
and since then he's been like he gets his one liner, he's been on
missions, but he's not really been like a main character I feel. So
it's good to have him back here. So like the first half back half
is kind of just alright for me. Yeah, I agree, I like
the first half more. This was one I really wanted. Actually, Episode
two episodes at least for this little little mini sequence where he's going to find
himself in Japan, just because it's like it's other side of the world,
you know, Like I feel like the fact that he's just going home by
the end of it, it really just expedites this whole finding himself journey and
doesn't really feel like a big It doesn't feel like he went through a lot
actually to like really just come out to the other side cured or or just
more at peace with himself. It's just like, yeah, you know,
he went to another place and guess what happened. He kicked ass and he
defeated the bad guy, and now he's going back to kick more ass.
So I just really wanted, I think more time I think of him just
just really going through that journey. I was really excited knowing that he was
going to Japan because, of course, the only time I've experienced this was
in the Wolverine movie, which that's a that's a whole another than the Silver
Samurai and the Silver Samurai. Yeah, yeah, I think that one's actually
probably quite a bit better than the Silver Samurai. Okay, I guess I'm
thinking I like the look of this a lot better. But yeah, yeah,
he is not great what happens to him. He's pretty pathetic and like
he just really has that cool look factor for him. Every interaction is just
like, this is not even really an imposing boss. There's just many moments
when he just feels pretty pathetic and a lot of like the side characters,
like even like the like the Master that he goes to meet. I didn't
really love all like the little one on one sessions that we had between him
and Logan. Maybe that's just because they were pretty short and sweet or maybe
not so sweet in in my in my mouth. At least they taste a
little bit better some sequences. So yeah, I think overall, I just
wanted more from this this journey here that I that I didn't really get.
So by the end of it, this will probably be a bit of a
forgettable journey for Logan, which is unfortunate because this is supposed to be where
he really just finds peace. I I think some some inner piece I did
like the little therapy session that him and Charles have at the beginning, him
just kind of explaining some of these these moments, these things that he's been
struggling with. I laughed, so hard when he's like I almost gell to
get him traffic today for cutting me off, and it's like, holy crap.
I feel like I sometimes maybe think those moments in traffic, but never
to that level. He's like just throws Jubilee too across, and Charles is
pretty like pretty calm about this all, like you just kind of like,
oh, I got those moments too, don't you worry about it? Yeah?
Like I just feel like he should be a little bit more pressing.
But he's like, what you're leaving the X Men. She's like no,
Like, I guess you could let him leave. I figure you should still
have a bit more like don't let him leave yet, like he might not
be in the right headspace, Like what if you were to leave the Slaughter
of Villain and like you let that kid cut them off? Same kid for
me. Yeah. I mean we've had quite a few upsodes now that are
really centered on Wolverine and getting backstory of this character or getting uh just good
character arcs and whatnot. This is definitely the bottom of the barrel as far
as those go on the the Wolverine focused episodes, and I think you know,
with this episode, there's nothing that I truly dislike or hate other than
I think that final battle, which is which is quite lame. But there's
also nothing that I particularly loved or even strongly enjoyed, so it really just
ends up being kind of a middling episode for me. Here, I was
really excited to see Silver Samurai because my currently my strongest deck that I use
in Marble Snap has a Silver Samurai in there, so I was happy to
see my boy show up and soon cut your straps so you lose the round
automatically, though that's that's just one weakness. Cut the straps and you're you're
just retreat and losing all my cubes. Yeah. Yeah, So it was
cool to see him, but he ended up not really being all that great,
so I was like, oh, okay, I guess this is an
alright episode. And I just got to say I just love the vibes of
Japan in this show, the esthetic of it, like one, just the
buildings and the town, but then particularly just like the beautiful sunsets, like
just really like I would use some of those as wallpapers on my computer here.
And then the music too, I thought was really exceptional in this episode.
A lot of the time I feel like the music kind of goes by
the wayside. I don't really end up thinking about a whole lot in the
show, other than of course the theme, which is so iconic. But
yeah, it really was standing out here and really put you in this kind
of different tapestry, this whole different world. So I thought some of those
elements were pretty strong. But then other than that, not really a ton
of character stuff that I really enjoyed here. And it was kind of weird
doing some of the recap of Wolverine stuff because one a lot of those most
of those things are I don't think all of them are things we've actually seen.
A couple of them just feel like they kind of just threw them in
there. Of like, here's some other random traumas that have happened, and
I don't feel like for any of them, they're just necessarily grabbing shots from
things we've seen before. It's like, Okay, we we saw this event
occur, but this is like actually a new animation for it, or it's
a new drawing for what that scene looked like. But it still was.
It was kind of weird to do just here's a quick recap episode almost for
a couple of minutes there of what's going wrong with him? So yeah,
Middle Leane episode for me overall, I did like that. Exavier's like,
oh it was a Jeane and I did like that old and he's like no,
like he's completely over that Natcy. No, she's happy. I'm good
to leave her at that. So I did like Exaviers almost trying to go
for old wounds, like oh it must be you and Jeane, right,
and he's like no, no, no, like enough old man, Like
let's move on from this. So I went with Moira. You remember Moira,
right? Yeah? Or more left in the war, all right,
go to Japan. Fuck you, I don't care if you kill anybody daylor
curious. Yeah, this this episode I was not expecting so Samurai, I
was not expecting to go in to Japan. Just reminded me of that Wolverine
movie, which I like that one. I like that live action movie.
I saw it in theaters with my dad. Good time. You hate all
the X Men movies called like that, I like that one. Yeah,
it's just I guess because it didn't feel like an X Men movie to me
at the time. It's just its own, like one singular superhero kind of
going on his own adventure. I didn't realize that that one of the characters
in there. I don't know if the same actress one of the characters was
the same one Yukio from Deadpool two, because the same character but different actress,
isn't it getting that right? I don't think there's same character at all
our actress. I think you're reaching here for I'll have to check after c
Yeah, so it was a good time though. I enjoyed it. I
thought there were lots of interesting moments. You know, he's trying to get
in touch with his soul inside and become what he wants to be and learn
who he is. And I just think, you know, he shows up
here and he goes off to quickly help these monks put this poll up on
the temple. Then Coyle was like, perhaps building the temple, rebuild your
soul thing, you fucking guy going for this labor, just cashing in on
Wolverine being here, so that just everything for half cleaning my house, will
find your soul sucking my cock just because I jump next to it was actually
apocalypse in this logan. So I was just gonna jump to massaging his shoulders,
but you went straight for the cock. So there, I don't want
to waste time. I guess if you think it's off, I'm telling you,
Wolverene, he's not doing a good job of that. I'm telling you
know, I don't think that's a I don't think that's a skill of his.
A lot of teeth, a lot of teeth. I just feel like
he's not he's not patient enough Mann, you know, I don't know.
I feel like he's just Yeah, that's his mouth is it's not a good
mouth. There's probably leather, you know, it's probably very coarse. It's
been alive for years, you know, in that beer to get in the
way. And are his teeth made of at a man team as well?
Because no, okay, if so what so what with Kirk? I'm saying
like, it's you get those teeth in there, and they're that strong of
teeth that could do some serious damage. Pretty Why aren't they, Adam,
because aren't they are teeth like bones? Or non't think so? Okay they
were our teeth bones? You just so decisive? No, absolutely not,
there's no way. He just smiles looking as like a grilled just how would
you so much for me? In the sixties seventies, huge Jackman in those
movies, just like Grill, give It to You. Commonalities, but they're
not bones. Okay, but is in Deadpool too, and in the Wolverine
You Had to Come Back. You got the teeth everyone on that one Google
search too, it's like character, not the actress. I mean you search
our teeth bones, and then it's like the related search. And so she
the one that's dating Nagas Negas on Teenage Warhead. You can ride the trivia.
Yeah, okay, there you go. And she's in dead who's she
and Wolverine logan again? The one not the one, not his love interest,
right, that's not she's just no yeah, okay, perfect but yeah
no, Like I said, I like the beginning. I thought it was
a little like off guard to oh it's her really, Okay, she's a
big roll logan as well. Okay, that's interesting, yeah, because she
has this whole thing about in logan, she says, oh, I see
the future, I see you dying with your heart in your hands, and
then cut the logan. When he dies, he's holding Laura's hand in his
you know hands, so you know this whole you know, really good circlet
the same movie. In the movie. In the movie The Wolverine, Yukio
says, I see you one day dying with your heart in your hands to
Logan, and then in the movie Logan when he passes away, he's holding
Laura's hand, you know, his heart, his daughter's you know, stuff
like that. That sweater is Yeah, they get on great. Yeah.
I wish we got like maybe a little build up for because we just start
with the therapy session. I wish we had a little more build up of
his off his game. He gets cut off in traffic, and then this
it just felt very random where he's talking about his struggles and then he's just
like and then I almost killed some kid today, Like he come out like
it felt like I know Wolverine's always mad, but felt like where is this
coming from? Specifically? You know, like I wish there's a little more
build up, if none other episodes than here. So I like the session
just a little more, maybe, especially just like even coming off last episode,
it seemed like just the moments that he had with night Crawler again,
like was able to kind of calm down a little bit. So that's that's
again why I feel like this could have just been a lot better as a
two parter because we could have had that first part of him just really I
don't know, having more time showing his struggles and his anger, and then
goes to Japan and the deals with some of the early stuff there. We
get introduced to Silver Samurai, and the next episode is really just tackling that
stuff, and even then that feels kind of short if if he still goes
home in that next part. So obviously I'm just I want more of of
the Japan sequence. But you know, we didn't get that. That's that's
okay, I guess that's yeah on this episode. Let me check my notes.
Seriously, there's anything I did like that when the other people show up,
like, oh not again, you know, like you know it's always
gonna fall him. It's like that man with no name gunsling er thing.
But yeah, I like the trap sequence. They really home alone that town
when the the bandits coming coming, what do they want? It's like they
want that note. So when the fishermen and all that, like the village
folks, they make their defense right, and I think, okay, out
of the three things they do, they have like aerial log drone things that
they created which that's that's clever. They got the lure, which is basically
they dammed up the lake and they're gonna flood. That was good too.
But the one thing they do they I don't I don't know how I feel
about this, but the gang shows up. They put kids in a tree
and they drop fucking fish on these goons and make them fall in a hole
like fish. Now, yeah, why would they put these kids up there
to do that? Like, I don't know, just I've never seen a
tactic like fish before. They just remember, oh yeah, and you're desperate
times. Remember two Towers when there's that kid and he's all very sad,
and they're going, this is good sword, like, you gotta do this.
Silver Samurai is on the way with his bandit. He's taken over.
If the kids gotta throw some fish, they gotta throw some fish. You
know, you don't put rocks in there. Why would you waste your that's
your that's try rotten fish too. It's like bad stock. They gotta get
rid of it anyway. Maybe the bones they hurt, they feel the way
two tons. Maybe they know. Silver Sammarai and his crew have like a
deaf like deadly ALLERGEI allergy or something. Yeah, they just puff up like
instantly. That's why he walked home really, like when he cut off his
tassels, he's just like swollen, can't do. The whole gang has the
exact same allergy somehow. And like I think the other problem had with the
ending is Wolverine beats And that's why I wish it was Wolverine for Silver Samurai
and then the gang versus Silver's gang, because Wolverine just beats Me's like he
won't be bothering you anymore. It's just like he saw off, like his
heads down, like walks off screen. He is embarrassed. But like the
second they didn't show the rest of people really helped that much. It's like
the second Wolverine's gone, aren't they just gonna come back and the whole village
murdered? Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, don't worry. They will be messing
with you ever again. Like why why would they not? I feel like
they'd be extremely mad as as to what just happened. They didn't get their
payout. They're made fools. You know, two payouts. Remember it was
gonna be double this year because they probably like bought a bunch of stuff on
credits. They're expecting to get the double payout and here they are. Now.
Yeah, I found it. I don't know why humorous as well.
When Wolverine sees their smoke coming from the village, he races back and the
temple's on fire, and they're like, oh, a coyo is in there.
He runs in there, and I'm sure it's just just some monk technique,
but he's just sitting like legs crossed in the deep part of this fire.
And Wolverine's like, I hope you don't mind if we don't stick around.
The chat like pulls them out of there. I just like puts them
up, and he stands them up right, like he's totally unaffected by what
just happened and unfazed by the smoke and the fire. Yeah. I'm just
he it seems like you could have just walked out of there if he wanted,
but he chose us mm hmm yeah, good assessment. I can't find
and don't have to laugh. I was I was in the clear. I
just never heard you say good assessment. Remember what was your assessment of I
can't remember her name was it? Was? It also yu Kio the one
girl. Everyone there's the girl that care. They didn't there, it was
they didn't like anything. And then between them and then he just walks up.
It's like thank you, Tally. It like just makes out with all
that they must have got a while he was there, so oh yeah,
slap and cheeks and then Jubilee is like, who's the babe when they were
walking off. You remember that's true. I remember that assessment. That's what
Logan said to Yeah, good assessment. Let's go back right not to kill
my kids, all right, okay, Logan, let's go back home.
I'll give this us solid thumbs up the main needle thumb up. I'm going
to one thumb half up, oh, half half. I'm kind of yeah,
I was. I was conflicted on this one. I feel like I
want to be very neutral and just go like like, no thumb just just
right in the middle. But I don't know if that's allowed, so I'll
just go I'll go half thumb up, like forty five forty five. Yeah,
I'm gonna do a singular thumb just propped right up singlar. Well,
ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back next week when we got some very fun
episodes come up. We got some Wolverine ones, we got some more locks
coming up, and all we got our favorite first ever mutant coming back to
you. So should be a good one. That'll be six episodes because that
one's gonna be sixteen to twenty one, so I'll be ending season four.
So that's what you gotta do. That is your homework to watch. I
should be saying this at the beginning of the episode, but I tweeted out
every week, so you know, so, thank you very much for tuning
in. When you hear from us next, it'll not do you have some
say Taylor, look what I got you? Just like the delivered to you
now. Yeah, just gave a toilet. No, it's this little come
one you believe. I had to clean the TWI bes and logan used for
a couple of years, but now I'm on the team. It's a little
device to use in the science Labhy're looking at things and then Wolverine comes with
the sentinel head. That's where'd you get that from? It was that uh
toys r us I look at you. I bought one of those packs and
I got fucking werewolf by night. I was so disappointed you by Night.
He's pretty cool. He's not all of them on that package are cooler than
the Werewolf. Can you tell me who there? Tell me who's on that
pack? Let me see if anyone's like, like, there's moon Night on
there. You get there's Moon Night, and there's Moonnight and mister Night.
There's got the Harkness, there's Echo, there's storms onrem and I think it's
it's Mini ad Man, but I don't recognize the suit. It's like a
silk looks like he looks like white panther. It looks like it's black panther.
And then they painted in white. But no, I take Werewolf over
like Agathon Echo, you know, but still bottom three? Still bottom three?
I don't know. And he says like the little red Gem, which
is like I would prefer blood, right, Yeah, it's the gym from
them from the Yeah, you're right, blot, I guess so you don't
So you don't know what you're getting is what you're saying. You don't know.
You got to gamble as look at Taylor, he's buying these x ME
merchies all in nice. Well, I won't lie, like when when I
opened a Madison person, I opened mine and I opened my Oh cool,
I got Wolverine, and I looked at what she had and I could see
the blues like fox. She got a Wolverine too. I got two Wolverines.
But no, this is trade here where I just see Madison getting like
an iron man. I just rips it at her hand like a five year
old. Nice I got called tis. I paid for this. You can't
be sent as toilet, so good for you. We'll be back very soon
as I'm wanted to wear X men. Thank you very much. Between when
here for sex, it will not be boring. Didn't