1 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:18,000 Welcome. We Ain't afraid of no ghosts. This is your number one podcast 2 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:23,960 for googlies and ghosties and long legged beasties, bringing you everything you need to 3 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:29,120 know about things that go plump in the night and interviewing the personalities behind us. 4 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,479 Make sure your doors and windows are locked. Now Here are your hosts, 5 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:44,520 your ghost hosts, Scott and Julie. Hello, and welcome to the 6 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:50,880 Paranormal Project. Julie how Area Boo. Scott. My favorite topic ghost hunting 7 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:57,719 tonight, So yes it is. And yes, but our guest tonight, 8 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,320 there's a lot going on. In fact, I was saying to him before 9 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,280 the show, I wasn't sure how we were going to get it all in. 10 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,239 So we're going to talk about ghosts, We're gonna talk about naked people 11 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:14,239 and ghosts, and if you've never had that conversation before, tonight's the night. 12 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,959 Clearly this PG we can hit our But that's about it for me. 13 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,719 Clearly he's never investigated with our group because I tell you things more scary than 14 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:30,000 apparitions, and I think glad they tell you bring the bleach for your eyes. 15 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,640 So I'd like to welcome Ross Allison to the show. Hi, Ross, 16 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,040 how you do it. I don't want to wait any long. Good 17 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:45,200 hello you lecture on ghost hunting, right, I do? I do. 18 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,079 I've been doing it for gosh going on twenty years now. Now that's to 19 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:56,640 the call our university or university colleges. I've done for a lot of events 20 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:02,000 overseas as well, from Scotland, um to Canada. So yeah, I've 21 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:06,480 been all over the place. Wow, that's that's a good gig to get, 22 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,680 huh, especially you know something you love and do you get a lot 23 00:02:08,719 --> 00:02:13,479 of interest in that when when you there are a lot of people that are 24 00:02:13,479 --> 00:02:17,599 fascinated in it enough to Yeah, that was you know, it's funny because 25 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,240 I've been you know, ghost hunting before it was popular, before the ghost 26 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:29,439 hunting shows and um it's a thing where now you can come out of the 27 00:02:29,439 --> 00:02:31,639 closet never be loved you for being a ghost hunter. But back then, 28 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:37,080 oh gosh, you didn't tell people you were a ghost on your you know 29 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,840 yea it were were I remember those days. So yeah, it was pretty 30 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:49,000 funny. Absolutely, yes. You know back then, you know, if 31 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,800 you were going a ghost hunt, you were probably breaking into a building or 32 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,159 something because it was nothing available to you know, it wasn't like, we 33 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,080 have places you can go to. I mean, I wasn't breaking into places. 34 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,960 I'll be honest about that. I was lucky enough that, you know, 35 00:03:02,039 --> 00:03:06,759 in the Northwest, there wasn't any ghostening groups when I started out, 36 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,919 so I was the first and there was a need for it. No one 37 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,759 had anybody to reach out to if they were experiencing any paranormal phenomena. So 38 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,280 where I expected I'd be hitting all these you know, public places and you 39 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,680 know, try to document what they claimed to be haunted. I actually, 40 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:28,759 as soon as I launched a ghost the events ghost Centers of Seattle, Tacoma, 41 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:32,280 we were flooded with you know clients, you know, private homes that 42 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,800 wanted us to come out and investigate the phenomena that they were experiencing. So 43 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:40,879 that pretty much kept me busy for the longest time. That's great. Do 44 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:46,400 you still get a lot of that where you are? It's not as much 45 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,159 as we used to get. Um, I think a lot of there's a 46 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:53,759 lot of other outlets. It's you know, as you guys probably experience, 47 00:03:53,840 --> 00:04:00,639 it's become very competitive now where I when I started a ghost we were one 48 00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:05,800 out of a hundred nationally now each state could easily have a hundred plus groups 49 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:11,360 easily. You know, that's how crazy it is out there. Yeah. 50 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:16,000 Yeah, that's a whole other topic we can get into right exactly. Although 51 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,040 I have to say, honestly, home investigations are my favorite. Like you 52 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,040 say, they've really dwindled now, but I mean, I've been doing this 53 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:30,519 for fifteen years and Tye, I love digging my teeth into a really good 54 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,399 home investigation. You know, when you when you go to these places that 55 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,319 you pay to go to investigate, you kind of have an idea of what's 56 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:41,480 going on there. Home investigation. That's exactly what it is is. It 57 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:47,199 is an investigation you're starting from, starting with the bare bones abolutely and figuring 58 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,240 it out. Yeah, there's a thing as you have more opportunities when it 59 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:57,319 comes from investigating a private home rather than a business, you're pretty limited, 60 00:04:57,399 --> 00:05:00,680 and especially if it's a business, you're pursuing it, they're not pursuing you. 61 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,199 So sometimes you just have your one shot deal to get in there and 62 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:10,240 see what's happening. Compared to a clients, hopefully you'll have multiple opportunities, 63 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,800 because as we were talking about, it's all about being in the right place, 64 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,079 at the right time. Just because I come in one night doesn't mean 65 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,480 I'm going to get any evidence to support the fact that there could be something 66 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:23,079 to happen in their home. There are twenty four to seven We're just coming 67 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,600 in, you know, for you know, six plus hours. So to 68 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,959 have the opportunities to go back and hopefully collect more evidence helps us to determine 69 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,439 what could be happening in these homes. Right, that's it. They don't 70 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:41,240 perform on command. You know what it is and all sorry, I know, 71 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:45,800 and I'm sure you've encountered this is that once we do go in and 72 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,839 start the initial investigation, a lot of times the activity will ramp up, 73 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:56,360 and which is kind of what we want anyway, but you know, to 74 00:05:56,439 --> 00:06:02,439 the chagrin of the homeowner things, No, it's it's It is a unique 75 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:09,399 opportunity when you can actually get more involved with clients rather than just pursuing a 76 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:15,199 place that's popular for being haunted. Absolutely, yes, absolutely, all right, 77 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:17,959 can we talk about naked people? Because I really want to know. 78 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:25,120 I want to know he's just been he's charring at the bit. He really 79 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,279 needs to not understand this. Well. I would love to talk about naked 80 00:06:29,319 --> 00:06:32,079 people. Definitely fascinated by what you've got going on. I really am. 81 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,199 And I did get a chance to see your you know, your videos earlier, 82 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:42,040 but sha share a little bit about what you're doing. So. Parasense 83 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,759 is a documentary that just launched earlier this year. UM. It was actually 84 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:54,879 um a big success for US. UM. It just now was launched in 85 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:59,160 the UK as well, UM and it is known as parasens and Naked Experiments. 86 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,680 To surprise, I found that I'm the first in history to try and 87 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:09,959 validate touch when it comes to a spirit trying to touch the physical body. 88 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:14,720 And I know we've all heard of very similar cases. You may have experienced 89 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:17,199 it yourself, whether it's a tap on the shoulder some people said, you 90 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,160 know, kiss on the cheek, or being embraced, or even the negative 91 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:27,240 aspects of being scratched or pushed. When people have those experiences, it's really 92 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:30,720 just a personal experience for you that experienced it, and we just have to 93 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:34,199 take people's word for it. You know, when you say I felt somebody 94 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,439 tapped me on the shoulder, how do you prove that you really can't? 95 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:45,199 And so what happened was it was about going on seven years ago now, 96 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,879 a young man had reached out to me from Northport, Washington. He was 97 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:55,720 doing some work, some construction work on an old brothel and it was an 98 00:07:55,759 --> 00:08:00,199 abandoned space upstairs. He was there alone when he felt something grope him. 99 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,519 And so this was nothing unusual. I've heard you know, similar stories or 100 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,800 you know, like I said, you know, just being touched. And 101 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:11,279 it really got me thinking, it's just like, you know, how would 102 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:16,759 you validate such a personal encounter? You know, how do we make these 103 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:22,800 experiences that people have and bring some truth to them, not saying that they're 104 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:26,040 lying about their experience. They obviously felt something, but how do we make 105 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:33,080 it more valid for the observer as well? And I just got to thinking, 106 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,720 as like, is there some experiments out there that have been done? 107 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:39,279 And I researched for, you know, months and months trying to come up 108 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:45,200 with ideas, and I couldn't find anything to at least start from. And 109 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,519 that's when I realized, no one's ever done this before. And I was 110 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,559 surprised by that. With all these other you know, outlets of people trying 111 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,159 to research EVP and Light's phenomena and all this other stuff, no one's ever 112 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,000 tried to prove touch. So I took it on myself. I said, 113 00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:05,519 okay, let's see if we can try and validate what's happening when somebody's having 114 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,960 these experiences. So people have always asked me, well, why nudity, 115 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,120 you know, and I really got to think, and it's like, well, 116 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:18,240 if you're trying to validate touch, you need to see what's happening to 117 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:22,759 the physical body itself. What's happening to the skin, what's happening to the 118 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,519 muscles, Is there a temperature difference? You need to see all that stuff. 119 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,200 If somebody is wearing a shirt and they said, oh, I felt 120 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:37,200 something tapped me on my back, it becomes contaminated evidence because anybody who's a 121 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,159 skeptic or even the scientific field is going to say could have been their shirt. 122 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,879 So you do have to eliminate those elements if you're really trying to validate 123 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:52,879 the research. So nudity just made sense. And I was lucky enough to 124 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:58,799 get a few young men that were willing to be alone in a haunted location, 125 00:10:00,519 --> 00:10:03,639 and we had set up equipment and experiments around them and we would just 126 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:09,120 document these experiences. And it was about six years we had collected all this 127 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:13,200 stuff. I was getting some really great, you know, evidence, but 128 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:16,919 not enough that I felt like I could put it out to the public and 129 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:24,399 say here is proof. I needed something more, and so luckily I had 130 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:31,960 been on a podcast, community science podcast that was hosted by a gentleman known 131 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:37,240 as Chad Goodwin, and so I knew he was in the science field, 132 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:39,320 and I reached out to him. I said, you know, here's what 133 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,600 I'm doing. I'm doing these experiments and I just asked them the simple question, 134 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,519 how would you prove touch? And he was just like, wow, 135 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:54,720 there's all these things we could do, And so I invited him out one 136 00:10:54,759 --> 00:11:00,360 weekend to observe what I was doing, and he was just very impressed with 137 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:05,320 what we were doing, and he took some of my concepts and expanded on 138 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:11,519 them. We created a sensor field that actually monitors three sixty around a subject, 139 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,559 so for the first time in history, we're now actually tracking phenomena so 140 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,240 we can actually see where it's coming from, where it's going, all that, 141 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:26,120 and we had some amazing results just by doing this. How can you 142 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,960 prove that it touches? You know, Let's just say here as an example, 143 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,960 how can you prove that with this device, Well, we're monitoring the 144 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:39,840 environment around a subject, so you can't physically prove right now, we're working 145 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:45,279 on some other ideas that we have, but what we can see, and 146 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:50,200 this is another big step in the scientific field. By tracking the phenomena around 147 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:56,360 a subject, we were able to track something coming towards the subject and then 148 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:03,399 leaving the subject at the exact same moments that they were touched. So right 149 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:09,240 there we are able to prove pattern. And that is one of the first 150 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,000 big steps that you need when you're trying to validate these experiences. Is there 151 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,120 a pattern to it? Yes, there is. Two times when subjects got 152 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:26,360 touched, something came out of nowhere, hit the subject and then immediately left, 153 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,279 and so that shows us that there's something happening. So when you're trying 154 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,799 to prove things, and this is one of the biggest problems that we have 155 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,039 in the paranormal field when it comes especially when it comes to a lot of 156 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:43,440 the telban shows is we need at least three points of data all right to 157 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:50,000 support something happened. Most ghost hunters they'll go in with an m detector and 158 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,840 say, oh, the MF detector is going off. It must be paranormal. 159 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:58,440 That's not enough. That proves nothing, and so you need other elements 160 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,879 to show that there's other things happening around that one point of an experience. 161 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:09,080 And so that's our main focus is the show that we have these multiple points 162 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,559 of data. We are saying, the subjects claiming they felt something at that 163 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:18,000 moment, the specter systems picking up something at that moment. We may have 164 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,159 even gotten an EVP at that moment. So those are the points of data 165 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,080 that we're trying to bring together the show that this is something beyond just that 166 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:30,000 one experience. Now can you rule it out? So in other words, 167 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:33,840 if someone feels that they were touched but you don't see something into the field, 168 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,559 do you eliminate that or well, you're trying to look for other elements 169 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:43,600 that could be outside the physical environments, because right now, the best we 170 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,000 can do as ghost hunters is we can read the environment and see if there's 171 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,519 changes to the environment that we can't explain. There's no device out there that 172 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:56,039 tells you you have a ghost in your presence. Nothing, there's not a 173 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,639 ghost meter it says there's a ghost standing right in front of you. All 174 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,919 we do is we read the environment and say, Okay, here's something odd 175 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,320 in the environment. We can't explain why is it there? At the moment, 176 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,639 you know, Julie felt that there was something standing next to her. 177 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,559 Okay, there's two points of data. That's great. Can we find something 178 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,679 else to validate that experience for her? And that's what we try to do, 179 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:22,360 and that's all we can do at this moment. We need more data, 180 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:28,320 right, we need to actually expand ourselves. And it's frustrating because here 181 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,399 we are going into almost twenty years of paranormal television and millions of dollars going 182 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:39,440 into these shows, but hardly nothing going into the research. No, because 183 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:45,480 I still think it's it's even you know, there's certain extremes of the TV 184 00:14:45,559 --> 00:14:48,080 shows, but I still think it's not what people want. They want to 185 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,039 just they want to get that gatcha moment on camera. That's what people are 186 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,720 looking for when they watch these shows. But when those gotcha moments being more 187 00:14:54,759 --> 00:15:00,360 important if you can actually have other points of data to validate that, right, 188 00:15:00,759 --> 00:15:03,440 But I think they have to spend a lot more time in each location 189 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,519 in order to get that too, which is part of them and a lot 190 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:07,799 of you know, television shows don't want to do it, and a lot 191 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,320 of groups don't want to do it either. No, No, I think 192 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,240 we're getting to the point where it's a lot of lazy ghost hunting because people 193 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:22,240 want instant gratification while they're investigating and not have to do the work and going 194 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:26,840 back and watching fifteen hours of video or you know, fifteen hours of audio. 195 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,559 It's it's unfortunately, but that's what the television shows are teaching them as 196 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,960 well. Right, It's almost like you need a season on one location, 197 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,159 you do. I would think that would be a great idea. Yeah, 198 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:48,720 it's yeah, that's true. I was on home investigation and the homeowner's teenage 199 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:54,399 daughter she was seventeen, asked if she could sit with us, and basically 200 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,159 I said, as long as it's okay with your mom, it's you know, 201 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:02,240 it's fine with us. And so we were doing quiet time, and 202 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,879 because I find that's just the best way to investigate a lot of times, 203 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,159 using your senses and then you can back it up with you know, some 204 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:15,799 recordings or whatever. So you know, quiet time can last quite a long 205 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:21,440 time. And about half hour thirty five minutes into it, she was sitting 206 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,840 on the floor, and she just kind of went oh. And I looked 207 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,360 over at her and I said, it's not like the TV shows as a 208 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,600 honey, and she went, no, this is kind of boring. How 209 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:34,399 long are you're going to do this? And I said, well, at 210 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:40,519 least another hour, but you can leave if you want to. And that's 211 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,440 what ghost hunting is exactly. Antone is asking if you consider touch or pressure 212 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:51,519 senses by E. M. Field watch. We do have a huge list 213 00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:56,720 of Yes, we're trying to expand and I can't say too much because you 214 00:16:56,759 --> 00:17:00,519 know, again we're trying to publish our research and and stuff. But I 215 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:03,240 always thank you. I love great ideas, and that's what we should be 216 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:07,759 doing, is expressing these ideas. It's all trial and error. So, 217 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:15,720 yes, we are trying to expand different ways in sensors to the body itself 218 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,960 to see what the body is actually going through when those moments happen as well, 219 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:26,880 you know, So we are monitoring the body temperature, the heart rate, 220 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:33,160 we're even brainwave activity. Because one of the things that my good friend 221 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:41,920 Lloyd Arrobach he actually was involved in our project as well, and he is 222 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:47,119 a parasychologist and he had told me, you know that a lot of times 223 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:52,400 when people are failing the physical phenomena upon themselves, that they believe that they 224 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,119 project it onto themselves. So when it comes to psychic phenomena, is that 225 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:03,440 possible? Could you be projected the physical attack on yourself? And so yeah, 226 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:07,160 you have to again do what we're doing to try and validate that. 227 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,759 But we were able to prove that that wasn't the case in those two situations 228 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:18,000 where subjects got scratched because something came out of nowhere attack them and then left. 229 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:25,319 If you're projecting it onto yourself, then obviously you're off yourself and then 230 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,319 back onto yourself, so it'd be coming from you and then back to you. 231 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,160 So that was not the case. So this energy is coming from nowhere. 232 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:41,079 And another thing that we learned through this research as well is a lot 233 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:45,359 of the equipment that ghost hunters are dependent on is not fast enough or sensitive 234 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,799 enough to pick up the phenomena that we're looking for, and so there's a 235 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:55,480 lot of times we're pretty much missing out on experiences in data to validate these 236 00:18:55,519 --> 00:19:00,279 experiences. That's really interesting. And the other thing is too, it's a 237 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:04,200 really great it's a really great thing that you have these other systems around it, 238 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:07,640 because you know, if you think about it, when when I have 239 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,440 felt that I get touched, it's never been anything. You know, it's 240 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:17,359 not been like that. It's like spider webby kind of compliment. Like I 241 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,079 would think, if you don't have your any clothes on, you're going to 242 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,799 feel that more. And it might not be parallel at all. It might 243 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,799 be a breeze in the building or something that makes you feel or you're getting 244 00:19:26,839 --> 00:19:30,359 goosebumps because you got a little cold, or whatever it might be. So 245 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,759 you have these other systems to back it up and think about it too. 246 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,039 You just brought up a very valid point is we could be missing out on 247 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,559 a lot of experiences because we are wearing clothes. You know, where you 248 00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:45,920 may feel that brush across your face, you could feel it in other places 249 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:51,680 along your body. You know, the right the skin is the largest sensing 250 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,680 organ. So there's a lot of opportunities if you're going or if you're willing 251 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:04,079 to expose yourself out there, that you couldn't ear yourself exactly. No, 252 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:10,759 but I totally agree with you as far as you know, touching, being 253 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:15,920 touched and projecting that in a coming back on you. Honestly, I know 254 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:22,759 so many people that are so shocked when they're touched, so I, again, 255 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,519 I don't see how that could be happening. I remember the very first 256 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:30,240 time I was touched. I was on one of my first investigations and I 257 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,640 walked through what I thought was a cobweb. I had no idea what it 258 00:20:34,759 --> 00:20:37,880 was. I literally stopped and looked up and there were no cobweb, so 259 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,519 I just kind of went, hm, okay, took three more steps, 260 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:45,839 stopped, and another cobweb right on the top of my head. Now, 261 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,400 this was at the sk Pierce Mansion and Gardner, which is known to be 262 00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:55,920 extremely haunted and extremely clean because they keep it super super clean. And one 263 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,160 of the investigators that I was training with stopped and said, what happen up? 264 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,480 And I told her, and she said, you were touched and you 265 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,240 would touched twice, And I said, I had no idea. I was 266 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:11,000 brand new to doing this and not ready for it. So it was most 267 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:17,119 certainly nothing that I could have projected upon myself because I wasn't prepared for it, 268 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,279 ready for it, or even knew when it was happening. All right. 269 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:26,640 I remember the first time I was touched. We were one of the 270 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,160 first groups to investigate Alcatraz, so we got to spend the night on the 271 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,759 island. And this was many, many years ago, and there was a 272 00:21:34,759 --> 00:21:37,640 lot of spots I weren't open to the public that have now become open to 273 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:44,480 the public. But I remember they took us into the Morgue section, and 274 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:48,680 this is a section that goes down into the underground of the island. And 275 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:52,480 I was the first to venture down into this little path and into this little 276 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:56,279 room. And my members are, you know, filtering in behind me. 277 00:21:56,319 --> 00:22:00,680 But I want to get the widest angle the shot of the entrance. So 278 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,480 I'm you know, this is you know, when we still had to look 279 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,359 through the lens of the camera and take pictures when we had film. So 280 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,400 you know, I'm looking through the lens trying to back up, you know, 281 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,759 to take the whitest angle. And as I'm backing up, you know, 282 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:18,200 someone put their hand on my shoulder and stopped me. And so I 283 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:22,400 stopped, and I apologized to the member that I backed into the corner and 284 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,839 there was nobody there. Now I physically felt the weight of a man's hand 285 00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:30,000 on my shoulder, the pressure of his fingers and I was physically stopped. 286 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:34,319 As I was taking a step backwards. I was expecting to see a living 287 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:40,680 person behind me, right, nobody there? Wow? Yeah, So you 288 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,799 know these things do happen. Yes, And and even after having that experience, 289 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:48,920 I was second guessing myself. You know, it was in my jacket. 290 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,599 Could my jacket have done that? You know, it's just all these 291 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,720 things you just kept thinking over and over in your head, trying to not 292 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:02,400 just say this was a paranormal experience exactly. Wow, that that's that's that's 293 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,119 a cool experience though. So I love sitting around talking as I call them 294 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:11,279 war stories. Well, the first time I was touched, Yeah, and 295 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:15,440 I've never been touched like that though. That's you know, to feel the 296 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:18,440 fingers. It's always been that cob everything. Well, now you your arm 297 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:23,920 was grabbed when we were doing you were doing sts method in Revere. Oh 298 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:29,480 we were, that's correct. I forgot about that. Shocked you jumped, 299 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,480 Yeah, you're right, give us a littleal grab. I remember that. 300 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:37,960 And I was pushed down in Scotland. We were in the earth Castle and 301 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,319 they were filming for do you know Jay blum Key, I don't know if 302 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,680 you know Jay he's with um what what is the name of that place, 303 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:56,039 the Good Walker Ranch? No, no, no, he's got the channel 304 00:23:56,079 --> 00:24:00,559 with all the oh dark dark zone, dark Zone. T Yeah. So 305 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:04,000 they were filming and I was standing in the doorway and next thing you know, 306 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:07,440 something came up behind me and boom, and I went right in. 307 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,279 Oh. I don't even remember. You weren't there, Juliet. I don't 308 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,000 know. I wasn't I was I was back at the other hotel. But 309 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,440 I remember you come. I remember afterwards, and I don't even remember where 310 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,920 I was pushed from, whether it was I just don't know. But I 311 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,920 remember the hallway. You will leave it, I went. You were getting 312 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,559 ready to leave. I remember you told me that. And then when we 313 00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:34,799 were at Madison Seminary, then he was pushed on the stairs, on those 314 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:42,720 those um metal and the cement stairs. And she had a premonition because all 315 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:45,240 night she kept saying to us, guys, be careful of the stairs, 316 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,559 guys, be careful of the stairs. And did the night boom flat She 317 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:52,279 went down and she was definitely pushed. I mean I saw her. She 318 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:56,880 didn't trip, she was two steps ahead of me. She did not trip. 319 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,039 She didn't stumble. She didn't stub her toe. She just hit both 320 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:06,759 feet on the landing and then down she went. This is strange. No, 321 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,240 I'm curious because and I don't want to go off topic too much, 322 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:12,960 but I went to Alcatraz. It's been a while. It was probably ninety 323 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:18,359 something, ninety seven, ninety eight. It was a long time ago. 324 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,839 Um. You can't investigate there now, though, can you. Well, 325 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:27,799 they investigate, not that I'm aware of. I didn't think so. And 326 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,640 at the time, you know, this wasn't a thing I wasn't doing. 327 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,559 No, no, anybody was doing anything back then. Um, but it's 328 00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:38,279 a really cool place. I mean, had I known, I'd have at 329 00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:45,599 least walked around with a recorder, just but the old recorder in the pocket, 330 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,400 you know, pretty much, you know, that's pretty much way it 331 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:52,599 was for me too. Did you get anything there where you wait? Where 332 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,079 did you pick up anything interesting there? Because in Alcatraz? Yeah, oh 333 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:03,960 yeah, Um, we got some great EVPs. We actually had some interesting 334 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:10,279 photos of interesting life phenomena. Trying to think what else did we get there? 335 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:14,440 And then just a lot of personal experiences, you know, because again 336 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:17,960 this was back when we didn't have digital cameras. You know, we were 337 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,200 still doing film and everything, so our equipment was still pretty limited on what 338 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:30,039 we could use to try and validate our experiences. Somebody does have a train 339 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,279 here the right It is me. I'm sorry, No, don't be sorry, 340 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:37,519 but I'm want to make sure I'm not happy hallucinations here? What train? 341 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:45,880 I don't hear a train engineer coming through? Are you smelling toast? 342 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:53,039 What's going on? Lights flashing on the sides of your eyes? No, 343 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,480 it's me. I'm sorry. It's a really hot day here, and so 344 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,599 my window is open. I didn't want to be sweating on camera and stuff. 345 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,720 But yeah, I love by a train station, so you will hear 346 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,880 a train. Everything is that a fire and few? You know those hot 347 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,279 days that they fire and few between you in Washington. Uh, yeah, 348 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:17,200 that's what I find. It's you know, we're pretty it does a rain 349 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:19,880 all the time, like people tend to think, but we really don't get 350 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:29,039 very hot days anything beyond ninety you know. Yeah, But I don't want 351 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:33,200 to say one thing since we had talked about parasons and you know, um, 352 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,720 we've had a lot of people have issues with the nudity, and I 353 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:41,359 just want people to to give it a chance. You know, it's nothing 354 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,319 different than you would see on Naked and Fright. You know, we blur 355 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:52,759 the you know, the naughty bits for modesty reasons. But I just want 356 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,359 people to to at least give it a chance and and look at it for 357 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,720 the research reasons of what we're doing. Because we've had a few people give 358 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:06,160 it negative reviews because of the nudity, Well they shouldn't watch it then, 359 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,640 because obviously they had something in the mind. Anyway. Yeah, well we 360 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,240 had one guy give it a bad review because he didn't get to see people's 361 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:26,960 probat Obviously we're watching it for the reasons it was filmed for. So I 362 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:29,279 just want to get it out there that, you know, please give it 363 00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:33,240 a chance. You know, if you have issues with nudity, it's like 364 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,119 I said, it's nothing you're gonna see if you'd watched an episode of Naked 365 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,480 and Afraid. Um, But really, we're really trying to do it the 366 00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:45,599 right way. And if I put the challenge out to either one of you 367 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,960 and said it, you know, proved touch to me, I would think 368 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,200 that you both would all come back down to nudity just to be able to 369 00:28:53,200 --> 00:29:00,720 see what's happening not mine, just doesn't have to be yours, right, 370 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,960 I don't need to have it proven that much, but yeah, no, 371 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:07,079 but I do. I think it's interesting, is there. I know that 372 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,599 I saw something, But what what can people watch? What can they see 373 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,200 right now if they you know, if they want um o. Our first 374 00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:19,400 documentary is out. It is on Prime, it's on Apple TV, it's 375 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,039 on Google TV, it's on YouTube, it's it's out there. In fact, 376 00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:26,640 as I said, it was just released in the UK as well. 377 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:36,720 Basically is what we're considering our origin story. It's we tried to bring together 378 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:40,359 because I've been doing this for six years, had you know, hundreds of 379 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,359 experiments and we try to dwindle it down to an hour and a half of 380 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,000 research and tell a story. Because that was the biggest challenge that we had, 381 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:52,119 is we had all this research, I was filming the experiments. I 382 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,160 wasn't trying to put together a documentary or try to tell a story. I 383 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,799 just wanted to document the research and be able to publish the research. But 384 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,880 I guess when you're trying to do that, you should have some sort of 385 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,400 you know, story to tell behind it. And so that was something that 386 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,799 we had a challenge or trying to bring together all this research and show people 387 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:18,720 our history and where we came from point A to point B and how it 388 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:25,400 changed from me doing just the research to actually bringing on a scientist onto the 389 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,640 project and his origin story in getting involved in this. So there's a lot 390 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,279 of that being told as well, and we're also trying to take on the 391 00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:40,960 challenge of making science entertaining. Yeah, no, one really wants to be 392 00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:44,559 confronted with the ones and zeros. You know, they want to hear the 393 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,200 ghost stories. You know, they want to see the jump scares. It 394 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,680 happens when you're in a lot of these creepy places, Strange things happen, 395 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,759 Strange things will happen that will make you jump. But we want to definitely 396 00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:03,160 show that there are other elements that can also make this more entertaining, more 397 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,039 scary, to be honest, when you realize that when people have these experiences, 398 00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:14,160 there is something to validate this experience. What's the name of the documentary 399 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:18,640 that Nancy who's asking, is it Paris Sense, Paris Sense the Naked Experiments, 400 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:26,599 and it's n S Prime. Yep, Yeah, Okay, not to 401 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,160 be confused with all the naked Paris sense A s C E N T. 402 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:34,839 Yes, because you might not want to Pat it's se n. I know 403 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:41,640 we're like twelve over here Rod Sorr High School. All right, I don't 404 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:48,160 know I over it, but I do. I think it's really I think 405 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,720 it is. It's really interesting, and so we'll check it out. Yeah, 406 00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:56,279 sense that's right, sc N se NANCYC. And you can go to 407 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:00,799 the website too, Touched by a Ghost dot com. Touched by a Ghost 408 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,680 dot Com. I'm going to put that on the bottom of the screen here 409 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:12,160 so people can check it out. Touched by ghost dot Com. Where'd it 410 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,839 got go? Oh, it looks like Nancy's having a good time there, 411 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:23,319 dangly bits and sense. Yeah, you know, the average age is not 412 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:30,000 but mentally it's about ten ten, maybe twelve. I don't yes, not 413 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:37,359 a good night twelve would be very scarious. Oh my gosh. Yeah, 414 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,279 the russ I have a question for you, Um I you still involved with 415 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:47,039 the tour group? Is it us Spooked in Seattle Ghost Tours? Yes, 416 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,279 it still happening. Yes, that's one of the things. I am the 417 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,920 only full time ghost center in the Northwest, so you know, I make 418 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:00,880 my career by lecturing, teaching classes, doing tours, and that's it. 419 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,279 I do not make any money from ghost hunting and I refuse to make any 420 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,400 money from ghost hunting because I want to maintain my credibility. When people say, 421 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,240 oh, you just do it for the money, Yeah, really, 422 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:16,519 what money? Come on? You know? But really, I would never 423 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:21,519 want to put myself in a position whereas somebody pays for your service, they 424 00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:25,400 expect something in return. You cannot guarantee that. Plus, yeah, I 425 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,440 think it affects your credibility. And also why would you ever want to put 426 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,759 yourself in a position where somebody is experiencing true paranormal phenomena and they can't afford 427 00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,839 you exactly right, then you're not in it for the reasons that you claim 428 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,640 to be. You know, Yes, I've never charged, and any team 429 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,880 that I've been on has never charged to go into a home to investigate, 430 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,200 no matter how many times. And you know, people will say, what 431 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,480 can we do for you? Where this is what we want to do, 432 00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:59,480 this is our passion, this is what we love to do. However, 433 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,559 if you'd like to put a pizza on the table, we'll be more than 434 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:08,079 happing than you. If people want to donate, and no, I mean 435 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:12,760 this is just something that the people that I've worked with over the years. 436 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,079 Honestly, it's it's just our passion. It's a hobby, it's our passion, 437 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:22,400 it's just what we love to do. I totally agree. Yeah, 438 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,599 so I'm going to be in Seattle as a matter of fact, So that's 439 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:29,480 why I'm interested in, um, your ghost tour. Oh yeah, definitely. 440 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,639 When when are you going to be on here? Um? We are 441 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:39,079 flying in on June twenty five, Sunday, and we're in Seattle Sunday night 442 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:45,519 and Monday night, and then that Tuesday we get on the Alaska Cruise. 443 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:49,719 Okay, Yeah, I definitely would love to meet with you. I can 444 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,400 even try and set up maybe I'll give you a tour of my Death Museum. 445 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,840 Yes, we have a collection of haunted objects. We also have vintage 446 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:05,039 more morning dresses, jewelry, coffins, all kinds of fun stuff. Oh 447 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:08,480 that's awesome, I'll great, I'll get Scott. Do you have his email? 448 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:14,119 Uh? I don't think I actually have an email. We've connected through 449 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:17,719 Facebook so the show. Maybe we can exchange emails or something. So yeah, 450 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,719 it'd be great. Yeah, Yeah, that sounds great. I mean, 451 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,440 I won't be there, but that's that sounds really nice. Yeah, 452 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,960 it's a girls trip. Yeah, anybody ever in the Seattle area definitely check 453 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:35,000 us out. We are long tight. Yeah. I think that's great. 454 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,320 I've always wanted to go to Seattle. It's I've heard it's really a great 455 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,039 city. I don't know anything about it other than you know, coffee and 456 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:49,320 rain, but I've heard I've heard some really nice take foot come on yeah, 457 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,639 yeah, yeah, so so, and one of these days I might 458 00:35:53,639 --> 00:36:00,119 get there because my son's sister lives in uh is here. I'm trying to 459 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:02,760 think of the name of the town. Now, is there an Auburn. 460 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,400 Think there's Auburn's all over the place, But there is an Auburn Washington. 461 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,760 It's Washington, not Oregon. I keep saying there may be an Auburn Oregon 462 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,159 as well. Yeah, I think I think it's Washington. Yeah, ok, 463 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,639 yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you're still working on that, and 464 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,920 you've worked with some pretty amazing people too. You've You've done a lot with 465 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,679 a lot of people who are kind of entrenched in this community. I've been 466 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,760 I've been on all the Teleban shows. I've worked with a lot of the 467 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:43,599 big names out there, even before they're even the television shows. Um, 468 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:47,400 so yeah, it's it's one of those things that I can definitely prove my 469 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,840 history on this. Yeah, and I appreciate you hanging out with us little 470 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,800 names, because little names. We all start from somewhere, you know, 471 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,760 and we're not trying to get anywhere. We just love talking about this stuff, 472 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,760 and you come at it from a very interesting perspective. You know. 473 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,320 I think what you think that's the secret of my success is because I'm very 474 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,360 open and honest in my approach. You know, I could tell you some 475 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,320 pretty horror ific ghost stories and say, oh, yeah, I saw floating 476 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,840 a head come across the room and all that stuff, and no I didn't. 477 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:27,159 I'm sorry. But I think the secret to my success is people just 478 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,639 love my honesty. You know. I will tell you where the problems are 479 00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:32,159 in this field, and I will tell you with some of the things that 480 00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:36,159 we can to fix this. You know. Granted, you know, I've 481 00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:38,320 been in this field for you know, a little over thirty years, but 482 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,039 I don't claim to be an expert because really a lot of this comes from 483 00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:47,079 experience. And you could say you've been doing this for thirty years and maybe 484 00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:52,320 you've only you know, probably put maybe fifty hours into it. That doesn't 485 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,840 make you an expert, and it pretty limits your experience as well. You 486 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,079 know, I've been doing this for thirty years and I was out. They 487 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:04,400 are going, you know, investigating almost every weekend, you know, so 488 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,599 let's I put a lot of hours into this. So I'm more than happy 489 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,400 to you know, give people the shortcuts learn from my mistakes. But then 490 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,880 I could also learn from from you too, Scott. You know, even 491 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,199 though you so they say you haven't been in this for as long as I 492 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,039 have, but you still have some incredible ideas that we have to communicate and 493 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:29,599 share. And that's the problem with the paranormal field is it's becoming more territorial 494 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,719 and people don't want to share their ideas or share their evidence because they think 495 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,679 they're holding onto something gold and it's going to make them famous. And it's 496 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:42,920 just like no, if you really truly are a paranormal investigator, you have 497 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:45,960 to publish your research. And that's what I did with parasites. I had 498 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,719 to publish it. I was afraid to, yeah, because again I was 499 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,119 afraid somebody'd steal my ideas. But you know what, this is all trial 500 00:38:54,639 --> 00:39:00,320 and error and we all have to learn together and hopefully share these experiences and 501 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:07,079 help advance each other. What is your background? I mean what you know, 502 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:08,800 because it seems it's a very scientific way of thinking, you know, 503 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:17,000 do you come from a scientific I think it's just how I've always processed experiences, 504 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:24,239 you know, I've always tore everything apart to the simple ass you know, 505 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,400 experience and try to go from there. Um. I've always told people, 506 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,679 even in the paranormal field, you kind of have to do the same 507 00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:37,599 thing as well. Everybody wants to label everything and claim that they know exactly 508 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:42,239 what it is that's haunting them and why they're haunting them, but in all 509 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:47,159 honesty, we really don't. There's very limited limited information that we do have 510 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:54,199 about the paranormal field. A lot of this comes from people's personal beliefs and 511 00:39:55,679 --> 00:40:00,960 theories and ideas. You know. People asked me, you know, are 512 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,880 you religious, and I said, well, I can be spiritual, but 513 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:08,000 I'm not religious. Because if you truly are trying to understand the paranormal field, 514 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:15,239 you can't be led by religion. You can't be biased in your research. 515 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,159 I've always said, you we have to go on what we know and 516 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,719 not with what we think we know. And most of this is we think 517 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,159 we know what's going on. And so I said, well, you know, 518 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,440 it's like, you know, people want to you know, throw demons 519 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,960 out there. Well, that's being led by religion, by a religious belief 520 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,840 I'm not saying that there's not negative experiences out there or negative entities, saying 521 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,400 yeah, I've had negative experiences myself. Is it a demon? I can't 522 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,320 label it a demon. I don't know enough information. But if we can 523 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:53,360 bring more science into this field and be able to really identify these experiences and 524 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:59,400 what causes these experiences, then if it's a demon, then it's a demon, 525 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:06,320 then we help support those beliefs. But otherwise we can't do that right 526 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,599 now. We just have to go with the basics. And so, as 527 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:15,440 I've said, we have to strip things down to the simplest phenomena. We 528 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:19,960 can't you know, prejudge a location or you know, throw in our own 529 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,920 personal experiences and ideas out there and say this is what it is, because 530 00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:29,119 we cause more damage to the field than we do in advancing the field. 531 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,360 And I'll use this as an example you know, the biggest problem we have 532 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,679 in the field today is most groups out there are getting their education from watching 533 00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:44,119 the television shows, the saying, I've seen every episode of Ghost Adventures. 534 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:49,159 I'm an expert in the paranormal field, all right. So then they go 535 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,719 and take what they've learned from these shows and apply it to their investigations. 536 00:41:54,639 --> 00:42:01,320 And so when you have a group come into someone's home and they say, 537 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,280 okay, well, we have determined that what's in this home is a demon, 538 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,320 so we're going to go ahead and leave now. So you have a 539 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:15,599 demon in your home, right, Okay, So now this family is terrified 540 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,440 because they believe, you know, what this group has told them, and 541 00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:25,119 now you know, they're ready to sell their home and put themselves through financial 542 00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:31,199 despair, you know, because they're so terrified at what's going on. And 543 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:37,719 so there's a lot of situations where we're constantly called in to the walk clients 544 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,119 off the ledge because they've now been terrified by our prior other group that came 545 00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:46,599 in and told them all these horrible things that they now believe is happening in 546 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:53,119 their home. And so that becomes the big cycle in the field, and 547 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,960 the biggest problem in the field is because now, you know, everybody thinks 548 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,960 they have an idea what's happening, and they think they have all the answers 549 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,920 to everything, and we really don't. Right, you weren't And you know 550 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,559 you reminded me of something when you were talking before about you know, not 551 00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:14,840 charging for investigations. And I've also thought of this as well. Even if 552 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:20,239 we were able to go to a house and we can confirm for them, 553 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,480 yes, there's something here, right, we didn't spend nine months there doing 554 00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:30,639 investigations and experiments. But what are you going to do about it? Well, 555 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,559 it's still a haunted house, right right? Am I going to charge 556 00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:37,079 you to tell you that you've got I mean, first of all, you 557 00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:39,559 know I don't. I don't get that stuff, like you know, it's 558 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:43,000 there's something going on. How am I going to label it a demon? 559 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:45,719 Or? And if I you know, Julie always says this, if I 560 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,679 had a dollar for everyone that has a vortex or a portal at their house, 561 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,719 you know what I mean? Oh, Julia, I could just kiss 562 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,800 you. Yes, I'll see at the end of the month. Rob, 563 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:05,639 Yeah, right, I save it. Yeah, remember that? Oh my 564 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:12,880 god, but oh my god, it is and all of you've done, 565 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,199 if you've given them not they still have a haunting, potentially a haunted house. 566 00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:20,000 But now I also have a fear of it, I mean a real 567 00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:22,480 fear of it. And then I think the other problem is, and I'm 568 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:25,639 not sure if you talked about this, because I had to switch computers because 569 00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:31,079 my first laptop was going doing something wonky for me on me. But we've 570 00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:39,360 got calls from people that clearly have emotional issues and they're blaming it on I 571 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,519 have an attachment, I have a demon attached to me, or I have 572 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:49,320 a negative spirit attached to me because I have all this bad luck. When 573 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,960 I start talking to them, and you know, we Scott and I've talked 574 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:58,960 about this with other team members, and we do an in depth interview with 575 00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:05,480 them, we find out that basically, um, it's their life has been 576 00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:09,280 one poor decision after another and then not taking responsibility for their own decisions, 577 00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:15,639 and so it's just, you know, it's just popped out for them. 578 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,920 And that's another big problem in this field is there's a lot of psychology involved 579 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,760 in this field. Yes, you know, people think that it's you know, 580 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:28,719 it's all ghosts, when a lot of times it's us as human beings, 581 00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:32,519 our own flaws, right, you know, there's a lot of that 582 00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:38,599 and at play too exactly, and honestly, you really need to work on 583 00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:44,840 waiting that out. Especially. That's why it's so important to do the interviews, 584 00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:49,800 to do the walkthroughs um and a lot of groups don't even do that, 585 00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:52,079 you know, they just want to get in, do an investigation and 586 00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:57,280 go from there. And then there's there's as I said, lazy ghosty or 587 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,400 in proper training. You know, think it's in proper training. I think 588 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,519 people are not trained honestly, you know, like I said, I after 589 00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:07,079 been doing it, not as long as you've been doing it for fifteen years. 590 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,400 But the first team that I worked with basically they said we will train 591 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,039 you, and they did. My friend Barbara and I joined the team, 592 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,920 and they actually, you know, from point A to point B, we're 593 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,199 going to do a walkthrough. We'll take you to the first walkthrough. This 594 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:27,000 is what we're going to do. We're going to scan the residence. I 595 00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,519 mean, it was really we were trained. It wasn't just jump in there 596 00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:37,440 and he as a recorder and grab an EVP. It was really good substantial 597 00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:42,480 training in order to figure out what, if anything, is going on in 598 00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:45,840 the house. Well, it's great, that's great that. I wish there 599 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:52,639 was more of that, you know, I wish there was more educational services 600 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:58,280 available on the telement shows. But they're all too afraid to do it. 601 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,079 Well, I think that's what it is, because people are not going to 602 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:05,480 tune into that stuff. You know, they're they're honestly going to tune into 603 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,440 the jumps and the bumps and the bangs. That's what they want to see. 604 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,800 They're not going to tune into anything like that. Like I said earlier, 605 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,079 you know, bring them along on a home investigation and let them see 606 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:22,199 how boring it really is, right right, Well, that's why we had 607 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,079 to do parasens on our own. You know, we had networks, you 608 00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:30,480 know, offer us shows. I won't say which networks, but there was 609 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,119 a situation where, you know, when we were developing it and trying to 610 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,480 get it out there, you know, they wanted to expand it. It's 611 00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:39,920 like, well, can you do Aliens? Can you do Bigfoot? And 612 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,440 I was just like, I really don't want to go down that road. 613 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,000 You know. My passion is ghosts and dabbling a little bit in psychic phenomena 614 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,679 as well. But I don't need to, you know, get involved in 615 00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:54,719 going out and taking this technology out into the woods and see if Bigfoot will 616 00:47:54,760 --> 00:48:00,199 come out. And then there was a situation where, you know, they 617 00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,800 said, touch well, you know the sexual aspect, you know, women 618 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,920 or men claiming to have sex with ghosts, you know, can we take 619 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,400 that and apply it there? And I said, well, if you're dealing 620 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:15,079 with a situation where, um, somebody is being physically attacked, being raped 621 00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:21,360 by a ghost and in a word, there, now you're putting me in 622 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,679 a situation where I'm gonna need whoever is having those experiences be willing to be 623 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:31,440 the subject because obviously they're the target and now they're they're dealing with us traumatic 624 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,719 experience, and you want me to ask them, hey, are you willing 625 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,400 to be naked as well and let us observe this, you know, to 626 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,920 me, I did not want to go down that road, right. I 627 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:51,159 did not want to use these individuals to you know, I get exploit them 628 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,880 for you know, for the show, and you know that happens a lot 629 00:48:53,920 --> 00:49:00,800 with reality TV. I have a friend whose roommates she was she was one 630 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:06,760 of the psychologists on hoarders, and she finally had to stop because she said 631 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,480 she felt that it was an exploitation of these You know, I just I 632 00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:13,800 just can't do this anymore. And I could totally see it going down that 633 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,199 path, right. You know, we were talking about, you know, 634 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:21,320 house investigations, and honestly, you know, since I've known you, Julie, 635 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,079 we've not had one. We've had some that have come up, and 636 00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:29,000 there's for one reason around another. There's things that right right, I'd say 637 00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:31,039 the first ten years of doing this we had I've done a lot of house 638 00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:36,880 investigations, but the last five definitely not now, not not a lot at 639 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,719 all. I don't even remember. We had a couple in the works, 640 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:45,199 but then the homeowners decided that they didn't want to go down that road. 641 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,480 So yeah, we haven't done any. I haven't done one in the past 642 00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:53,599 I think four years. I think the last one I did was at the 643 00:49:53,760 --> 00:50:01,960 Bridgewater Triangle. Well, I think now because of plevision shows that it's more 644 00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:09,400 accepted that it doesn't. You know, just because you experience something in paranormal 645 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,239 in your home doesn't trigger fear for a lot of people anymore. It triggers 646 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:19,480 excitements. You know, so they're not out there looking for somebody to help 647 00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:23,679 the ghosts because now television shows approved, you don't need any education to be 648 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,960 a ghost hunter. You don't need a degree in this. Anybody could just 649 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,280 pick up a camera and EMF detector and call themselves a ghost hunter. And 650 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:37,199 that means how homeowners can now do it themselves. So it has in a 651 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:45,480 way taken those opportunities away from us for those who are truly trying to document 652 00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:51,519 the phenomena. So you know, there is a downfall to that as well, 653 00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:54,000 because I, as I said too, I haven't had as many opportunities 654 00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:00,079 either, because I think a lot of these people have access to watch and 655 00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:04,760 these go from these shows and now you know, they can do their own 656 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,320 little investigation right exactly exactly well, they think they can, that's bottom line. 657 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,239 They think they can. And so when we go and investigate, Julie, 658 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,079 you know, when you and I go, it's it's a night, 659 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:20,440 it's several hours. We're not setting up experiments, We're just going and you 660 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,519 know, kind of getting an overall picture of what's there. But it's it's 661 00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:29,199 it's it's not these homes where or places where you can set up these long 662 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,239 term investigations, Well, that's it. And when we go into these other 663 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:37,039 into these haunted locations, we go in there with preconceived notions of what is 664 00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:43,480 there, as opposed to attempting to find what is there. That's that's what 665 00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,000 I miss. I love doing the investigation, trying to figure out what's there, 666 00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:50,440 what's going on, And that's great. It's a it's a it's our 667 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,199 own little mysteries as well, you know, that's it. And you know, 668 00:51:53,360 --> 00:52:00,000 we have to be honest, honestly, maybe fifteen percent we find activity 669 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,519 when we're doing we do go into a home investigation, maybe there's fifteen, 670 00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:10,119 maybe twenty at the most you're going to find activity. True activity. Usually 671 00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:15,519 eighty percent is not a whole lot going on. No, I've always thought, 672 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,239 oh, I'm just gonna say, go ahead, go ahead, I'm 673 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,320 sorry. I was gonna say when I when I teach my classes at the 674 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,039 universities, I've always said that, you know, it's usually one out of 675 00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:28,719 ten, it'll provide some sort of evidence there could be something paranormal going on. 676 00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:31,119 And so that is a lot of work, and it's and we even 677 00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:36,599 find it when we're doing you know, parasense you know, it's a collecting 678 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,039 a lot of you know, data, and a lot of times things don't 679 00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:45,199 happen, so you don't always get that data to validate. And I think 680 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:52,000 too a lot of groups or individuals in this field get bored, not just 681 00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:54,119 with the fact that they're not always experiencing things like they see on TV, 682 00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,599 but they also get bored with the experiments. They'll try and experience at once 683 00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:04,280 and if it doesn't pan out anything, they give up on it, then 684 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,760 don't ever try it again. Right, And if you're dealing with that being 685 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,800 in the right place at the right time, that means you have to run 686 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,920 those experiments over and over and over and over again. Right, that's right, 687 00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:16,960 Ross, We have about a minute left the show, believe it or 688 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:22,679 not. Really, wow, quick, just fun people to talk to. 689 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,880 Ross. Honestly, if we had a two hour show, we would have 690 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,400 never found you. Would have been the guy that gives us one one word 691 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:34,199 I want to talk to you. You know, it's fifty four minutes. 692 00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:37,840 Just real quick, we only have half a minute left. Touched by a 693 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,599 ghost dot com and they could find out about parisons and also give a website. 694 00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:45,000 Is that that is the website that's the website for the documentary. I 695 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,840 always encourage people to look me up on Facebook, Ross Ellison, ghost Hunter. 696 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,199 I do a lot of live investigations and stuff like that, so you 697 00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:57,480 can check me out there, and then a ghost for a ghost dot org 698 00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:00,679 for the ghost hunting group, and then of course spooped in Seattle dot com 699 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:06,039 for the tours and the death Museum. Thank you, Ross, it's been 700 00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,159 a real pleasure. We appreciate. Thank you you're enjoying us tonight. Have 701 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:13,199 a good weekend everyone. We will see you next week and until next time. 702 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,400 Good night, Thank you, Ross, See you in Seattle. All 703 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:21,960 you guys awesome. You have been listening to The Paranormal Project with Scott Allen 704 00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:27,000 and Julie Finn. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss the next episode. 705 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,719 While you're there, leave us a rating and reviews so others can find 706 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:36,639 out about the show. Stay haunted and go out there and explore the paranormal