WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:12.160 It's the Lockdown Podcast network, Your team every Day. There are a lot 2 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:15.359 of questions around this off season for the Cincinnati Bengals. There are a lot 3 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:19.359 of topics to get into, and today's mailbag we're going to get into several 4 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:23.079 of them, as you had some really good questions about this year's off season 5 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:29.239 for the Bengals. You are Locked On Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, 6 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:50.679 part of the Locked On podcast network, Your team every Day, the 7 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:54.359 Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals Podcast. I'm 8 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:57.159 your host, Jake. Let's go along with your host James Rapine. 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But 25 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:07.400 Bengelman Brothers and Brian v at ba Vilono both asked about some internal guys and 26 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:10.439 Bengelman Brothers wants us to rank for most the least likely to be on the 27 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:16.039 team next season the following players Tyler Boyd, Joe Mix and DJ Reader, 28 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:22.280 Chodobi Abuzi, A. T. Higgins, Jonah Williams Woo Yeah, and 29 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:27.800 Brian asked about TV and who this is a tough onot this Soun's a tough 30 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:34.800 onot because there is a very realistic path Jake that only one of those players 31 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:38.680 is back, Like, I think that's the most realistic path. Actually, 32 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:43.919 to be very clear, the most realistic path is t Higgins's franchise tagged. 33 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.520 Jonah signs elsewhere, Reader signs elsewhere, Mixon, I'll get into him in 34 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:52.479 a second. Tyler Boyd signs elsewhere, and Cheetoh signs elsewhere now mix and 35 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.479 we haven't talked about the specifics of it, but he's doing a three million 36 00:02:55.520 --> 00:03:01.360 dollar roster bonus on March sixteenth, So there is beauty in that. And 37 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:07.439 here's the beauty the Bengals can make and have to make a quick decision on 38 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:12.120 him relative to the off season compared to last year when he took a pay 39 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:14.919 cut in the middle of July and we felt like we talked about it for 40 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.400 months and months and months. Rest easy, Bengals fans. We will know 41 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:21.759 if Joe Mixon is going to be on the team by March sixteenth. And 42 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:25.479 that is a beautiful thing where it can be non toxic and it can be 43 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:30.479 fair one way or the other. And we know exactly why, and I'm 44 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:32.240 sure his agent put that in there. I'm sure the Bengals wanted to put 45 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:38.360 that in there because they can make a decision as free agency starts and give 46 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:43.039 Mixing time to sign elsewhere and vice versa. So the question is to rank 47 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:46.879 them. T Higgins is by far, far and away number one for me. 48 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:53.240 I think he is back agreed, and I think that that's just a 49 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:54.919 no brain er. Twenty one point seven or whatever it is, million dollars 50 00:03:55.000 --> 00:04:00.159 on the tag. Worst case is what's going to happen. Number two for 51 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.599 me is DJ Reader. I think that there is a path for DJ Reader 52 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:11.240 to return because they have nothing in that defensive tackle room. It's BJ Hill 53 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:18.639 and some DIDs correct and that pause for those on the podcast that was there 54 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:26.759 on purpose because my lord, it's Zach Carter's a backup. Maybe you resigned 55 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.439 Josh Tupo. J two felt like just dudes, And I don't think you 56 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:34.120 do any of those things, probably before the draft, especially if you can 57 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:38.560 keep Reader. So I don't know what it'll look like. I'm not sure 58 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:41.560 if Reader will be able to go for the start of the regular season. 59 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:45.439 I think that's kind of lofty at this stage, but it's super early. 60 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:51.120 But I would put Reader second. I would put Jonah third because I think 61 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:58.000 there's a scenario where they they look at the market, or maybe the market 62 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:03.600 looks at Jonah and it isn't as crazy, but I think it's that's where 63 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:08.279 this ends, because I would probably put Jona att maybe ten percent to return. 64 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:12.399 And the fact that he's third on this list, it lets you know 65 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:16.759 how I feel about the odds of Tyler Boyd is back or the odds that 66 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:24.079 who am I missing or cheating the significant one that you didn't did you? 67 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:26.759 Did you order Joe Mixon and this rank? Or is he down there with 68 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:29.120 those three guys? Those two I think? I mean, I think is 69 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:31.519 are you paying him three million dollars at the start of the year before the 70 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:35.879 draft? Are you? The question is, really do the Bengals want to 71 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.240 be on the hook for his eight and a half million dollars cap hit for 72 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:45.360 twenty twenty four eight point nine I see eight point five according to over the 73 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:49.279 cap So for either way some describing similar, but either way they can save 74 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:55.439 five point seventy five million dollars by cutting him or pay eight point five million 75 00:05:55.439 --> 00:06:00.759 dollars if they think that he's worth that for next year. Would you do 76 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:05.079 that? I would not do that, yeah, And so I just I 77 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:09.959 think that that's I don't know how the Bengals doing it though, to be 78 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:14.319 clear, but I personally would not. And so you're probably right, So 79 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.399 let's go to that. It's probably there's probably like a twenty percent chance that 80 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.720 Mike Brown says, Hey, Joe Mixon has been here for seven years, 81 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:25.519 he's under contract. He ran for a thousand yards again average four yards of 82 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:29.839 carry, caught fifty two passes for three hundred plus yards. It had double 83 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:34.839 digit touchdowns between catching and running. Let's just bring him back for his final 84 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:41.639 year. So twenty percent chance that Mike Brown goes that route because of his 85 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:46.040 relationship with Joe, I don't will you will circle back to the Joe Mixon 86 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:47.720 topic and the running back topic, so we don't need to dive too deep 87 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:51.319 into it now. But I just wanted to clarify where he would be in 88 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:55.480 the order for you there. Yeah, so you're right, So it would 89 00:06:55.480 --> 00:07:00.759 be T T DJ Joe, Jonah, Jonah, Joe, Joe, then 90 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:06.399 Jonah got it, yes, and it's low like Jonah's low, yeah, 91 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:15.000 and then probably Cheeto then BOYD. But I don't think either one is under 92 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.839 I think either both are under five percent. For me, yeah, I 93 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:23.759 also easily agree with T at number one and Boyd at number six, and 94 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:28.120 everything in the middle is a bit muddier to me. Mixon is in the 95 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:31.040 bottom half, and there's a big gap between T and number two. For 96 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:36.160 me, it's like T gap. And honestly, I thought Cheeto and Reader 97 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:43.519 are kind of close in some worlds, Like I wouldn't be shocked if the 98 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.240 market isn't there for Cheetoh, and he's the veteran on a one year deal 99 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.800 for the Bengals, because I do think that they add a veteran corner and 100 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:54.160 it wouldn't shock me if it's a guy they're familiar with in Hiudoba, a 101 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:58.439 woozie coming off and down here and we've seen him in the past and he's 102 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.920 older now, so who knows, but we've seen him in the past come 103 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:03.959 off an injury, have a down year in Dallas, and come to Cincinnati 104 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:09.240 then he was awesome. So getting away from that acl should help him too. 105 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:11.199 Do you think like he could be in their their eyes, like their 106 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:16.519 Eli Apple, like one year guy, their Sidney Jones one year guy. 107 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:20.839 It might cost a little more. That's yeah, that's my thought there is. 108 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:22.920 I do think they will add a veteran corner. It would not shock 109 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.879 me if it was Cheeto because of the familiarity, because he's in the building 110 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:30.879 already, But it would depend on the market list there for Cheetoh, it's 111 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:33.799 hard to say what will manifest for him or not. Currently our friend Brad 112 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:39.720 Spielberger PFF I think is a little bit high on Chaadobe Luzia's free agency market. 113 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:45.720 He has two years twenty three million estimated there. But I don't know. 114 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.759 I don't know if Cheeto's played on the stretch. Well, we'll end 115 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:54.039 up justifying that, so we'll see. But I don't think Jonah is likely 116 00:08:54.120 --> 00:09:00.720 either. I don't think Boyd is likely. Reader is a big ques because 117 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:05.600 of the injury, but I think that they need to spend money on that 118 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:11.399 position specifically, And so DJ is a player they know is awesome, they 119 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.240 again are familiar with, and if they have a better idea of his time 120 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.639 to return, that's where you can see that happen if they have a good 121 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.480 idea of what's going on with that injury. And Reader did say it wasn't 122 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:24.799 as bad as the last time that he blew a quad a few years ago. 123 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:30.799 So hopefully that means he's getting healthy sooner. You know, he's gonna 124 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.879 work hard. You know, he's gonna do everything he can to get back 125 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.200 on the field. That's the kind of guy he is. But I do 126 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:41.480 think that the injury throws a lot of question on it where you know, 127 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:45.320 maybe if he hadn't gotten injured, the market is just too high for the 128 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:48.600 Bengals to bring him back. And now it's it's I think it was consider 129 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:56.000 Yeah, a great question there. It is a great question and a great 130 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.960 debate, and multiple guys could be back. I think you're right, cheating 131 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.360 reader. Those guys it's market dependent, they will test the market. Jonah 132 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.399 certainly market dependent to a large extent. We just assume his market is going 133 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:13.159 to be pretty big. But you never say never, and I wouldn't say 134 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:16.200 never with Mixin or Boyd or any of these guys. But we have a 135 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:20.159 lot to get to in this mail bag. That was a loaded first question 136 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.159 with plenty of topics that we will certainly cover all off season long. But 137 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:30.519 let's continue with more questions coming up. This show is sponsored by Better Help 138 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.919 Around New Years we get obsessed with how to change ourselves instead of just expanding 139 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.320 on what we're already doing right. 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Coverage options are selected by the 167 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.799 customer availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state. 168 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:35.320 More off season questions, James in this mail bag to get to this one 169 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.519 kind of broad from Matt at mister k Sency, you would like to know 170 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:46.320 if the Bengals realistically we'll do more in free agency in twenty twenty four than 171 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.600 they did the last couple of years. They could have done more in twenty 172 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.840 twenty two, and he liked the Orlando Brown junior signing, but was a 173 00:12:54.840 --> 00:13:00.840 little bit nonplussed by the guys that came after Orlando Brown junior year's free agency 174 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.559 class in particular. That would also like the Bengals to stop rolling over money, 175 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:07.360 which I don't know if that is going to happen. As much as 176 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:11.639 I agree with it, I think you're right. The fundamental question here is, 177 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:16.240 well they do more in twenty twenty four. I hope so more in 178 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.840 twenty four. I certainly hope so. I think they need to realize, 179 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:26.879 and I think they do, but they need to realize how crucial this offseason 180 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:33.080 is to not only keeping their own because part of why they I think we're 181 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.039 in reserve is because they knew what was coming. And last year during free 182 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.679 agency, Joe Burrow was coming and you needed to make sure you got his 183 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:45.000 extension done. And now this year, it's Jamar Chase and you're going to 184 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:50.080 try to get his extension done. But that cannot stop you from addressing defensive 185 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:52.759 tackle. That cannot stop you. Let's say Joanah Williams signs for four years 186 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:58.159 eighty million somewhere from getting a right tackle that you think can start for you. 187 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.759 To me, this Bengals team, they have some really obvious holes, 188 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.159 and to their credit, we have seen them plug the holes offensive line wise. 189 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.759 For example, after they made the run of the Super Bowl, we 190 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.559 were talking about the interior of that line and what did they do. Within 191 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:20.799 four hours of the legal tampering period, Alex Kappa and Ted Carriss had agreed 192 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.519 to terms with the Bengals. I'm hoping something like that happens with it, 193 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.759 at least similarly with this defensive tackle room. Now, maybe they wait for 194 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.200 reader a bit so it's not as quick, But what I mean is address 195 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:39.480 it with proven commodities. And maybe it's not Chris Jones who some have discussed 196 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:46.120 and I think that's kind of unrealistic, but actual bodies, actual depth, 197 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:50.519 proven players that give you the flexibility. So I think they do need to 198 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:54.279 add more. I'm not sure if there'll be an Orlando Brown junior type deal 199 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:58.559 and splash where you're giving up thirty one million dollars from the jump to get 200 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:03.360 him here. But I do think that they're gonna have to bring in multiple 201 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:07.799 bodies, and it could be sort of the way they attacked offensive line a 202 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.679 few years ago. They attack it with maybe a right tackle and a DT, 203 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.080 but get proven guys that they can bank on. The thing that makes 204 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:18.600 me think they will do more this year than they did last year's. I 205 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.840 think they've got just just more cap space to play with. When you look 206 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:30.639 at what they were dealing with last year, they were not cap strapped per 207 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.519 se, but Jodah Williams had a twelve and a half million dollar cap hit, 208 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.080 Tyler Boyd had a ten and a half million dollar cap hit. They 209 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:41.000 got Joe Mixon's cap hit down, but it was still almost nine million dollars. 210 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:46.480 Is eight point eight five and twenty twenty three Chenobi Abuzia. He has 211 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:52.960 another expiring contract this year eight point one million dollars on his deal. Last 212 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.600 year. They also chose to extend Jermaine Pratt, which wasn't a huge cap 213 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:04.679 hit. Logan Wilson's saying deal, but this year. They've got DJ Reader 214 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:11.200 and his what was it in twenty three he's on the ir got to scroll 215 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.080 down, fifteen and a half million dollar cap hit coming off the books. 216 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:19.399 They've got twelve million, twelve and a half for Jonah, ten and a 217 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:22.879 half ish for Tyler Boyd. So they've got these big cap hits coming off 218 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:27.639 the books, and they're also cap hits coming off the books for starters for 219 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:33.519 Reader, Boyd, O Woozier, Yonah, and then T Higgins obviously will 220 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.360 be due for a much larger cap hit this year. So the only restriction 221 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:44.159 on the sixty eight or so estimated millions of dollars of cap space for the 222 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.279 Bengals this year to play with is going to be that twenty one or so 223 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:52.080 million dollar franchise tag and or extension for T. Higgins. Outside of that, 224 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:59.600 you have many millions of dollars becoming free to spend on a starting defensive 225 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.879 tackle, if they want to spend on a starting slot wide receiver or tight 226 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.200 end perhaps to replace Tyler Boyd in this offense, depending on what direction they 227 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:11.799 want to go, if they want to spend more on corner or another position 228 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.200 on defense, if they feel like they want to go with youth at corner 229 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.920 and at a right tackle. So they've got all these spots where all this 230 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:23.200 money is now free and there's clear starting needs that are created by the players 231 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:27.559 that would be departing and freeing up that cap space. So to me, 232 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:33.200 necessarily they need to do more. Last year we talked about how few starting 233 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:37.480 holes they had to plug. It was the two safeties for the most part 234 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:41.759 that we were talking about as needs at for starters. There are depth needs 235 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:45.599 for sure this year. They have a ton of free agents in twenty twenty 236 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:51.160 four. But the math to me, and I haven't dug into this and 237 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:53.880 it's entirety yet to come up with how much money I think they'll spend or 238 00:17:53.920 --> 00:18:00.640 anything like that, but the math to me suggests that they will necessarily spend 239 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.440 more money, spend more cap space on free agents, whether they're internal or 240 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:10.960 external in twenty twenty four because primarily of those first four guys reader boyd Oboozier 241 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:18.079 Williams that have relatively large cap hits vacating in addition to starting roles vacating for 242 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:23.240 this team, Yeah, I agree, I think it definitely feels much different, 243 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:27.440 just the feeling of the roster than it did, say, after the 244 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:30.640 draft a year ago, when they had kind of drafted a bunch of guys 245 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:34.359 that you didn't expect to contribute right away, and some did, of course, 246 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:37.240 but it didn't feel that way in the moment. It felt like the 247 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:40.839 draft was a year early and they'll be banking on some of those guys. 248 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:45.319 And at the same time, they have to spend, and I think they 249 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:51.519 know that, and that will be a hybrid aspect of this where how much 250 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:56.480 of it is on your own guys like we talked about, and as they 251 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:59.720 spend or as they plan to spend, that's a factor in whether or not 252 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:03.160 you re signed t Higgins long term versus just tag him for this year because 253 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.319 who knows, Maybe you want to take that money and invest it into a 254 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.480 defensive tackle, a younger defensive tackle that you can build around. Who knows. 255 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:14.799 I'm not sure there also will be a raise for Jamar Chase. That's 256 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:18.640 the other constraint on the cap hit. Like they almost I would imagine they 257 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:23.160 get that extension done this offseason. I I think so too. I do 258 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:29.400 wonder though, like Joe Burrow's extension was done the Thursday before the regular season 259 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:33.279 started seventy two hours before the jump. Can you get it done a little 260 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.279 earlier with Jamar? It would help, It would help a lot. Yeah, 261 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.799 it would help very much. But Jamar's waiting for Justin Jefferson's deal, 262 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:45.599 So there's that whatever, that's bs. I know he said that, but 263 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:51.160 that I think that's true. Showing the money. Yeah, are are we 264 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:56.200 sure Justin Jefferson's getting a deal this offseason? I don't know. I don't. 265 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.079 We would have to ask Luke Brown of locked On Vikings. I thought 266 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:04.240 he would before the start of last season. Yeah. So I think it's 267 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:07.160 really interesting. But we have a ton more questions. We will go a 268 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:14.039 little faster and get to many, many more coming up next. Today's show 269 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:19.039 is sponsored by Jay's Case. I know we come to sports to escape from 270 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:23.920 the craziness that is realities of real life, but let's just talk for a 271 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.920 minute about preparing for real life. According to the FDA Pharmacies, well, 272 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:32.519 they're running out of antibiotics like a marx oficillin right in the middle of the 273 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:36.880 worst flu season in over a decade. 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I really like this one from Tony Crampo 301 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:32.680 at Bengal Underscore Dude, because this hasn't occurred to me recently. I think 302 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:36.720 I talked about it earlier in the season, but Tony wants to know if 303 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:41.920 you can see the Bengals extending Mike Hilton by a year, similar to Trey 304 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:47.720 Hendrickson's one year extension from twenty twenty threes OFAF season. I think it's interesting 305 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.240 do they want to go that route. I think Mike wants to be here. 306 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:55.359 I think he would be open to it. There's no doubt. So 307 00:22:55.440 --> 00:23:00.920 he'll be thirty in March. Yeah, clearly play at a a high level, 308 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.559 still a big part of this defense. I think he's a leader in 309 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:10.519 that room. I don't know. I think that one is up in the 310 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:15.920 air. I will say they may look at it and say five nine one 311 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:22.599 and eighty pound thirty year old nickel corner. We don't though. I agree 312 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:26.839 with you. I'm fine with keeping Mike around, and he's a veteran in 313 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:30.319 that room, and they're going to stay young in that room. I know 314 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.519 people are calling on, hey, pay this safe or that, saying I 315 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:36.559 think they're going to be pretty young in that room. I just I do 316 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:38.519 wonder if that's going to be the case, if they'll go that route. 317 00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:42.599 But I think he would be open to it, and I think that they 318 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:48.240 they'll probably have a conversation. I'm just not sure it gets done because you're 319 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:53.400 talking about a guy that as valuable as Mike is. Trey Hendrickson is in 320 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.799 a different arena, and there's a reason why they did that with Trey. 321 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:03.599 They might feel more comfortable just going another year with Mike Hilton and revisiting it 322 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:08.400 when he is set to hit free agency again as a thirty year old slot 323 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.960 corner who's a little bit undersized, but doesn't play undersize obviously, it's just 324 00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:18.079 what his measurements are. He plays like a linebacker. I think that his 325 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:23.200 increasing positional versatility that we saw this year playing a lot more safety and it's 326 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:27.160 not a ton, but thirty four snaps of safety. He's staying on the 327 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:36.079 field a little bit more in linebacker alignments, in strong safety alignments when the 328 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:41.039 Bengals are facing heavier personnel packages, are keeping Mike Hilton on the field because 329 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:47.440 of what he can do for them. I would not be a post to 330 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:51.799 extending my Kilton for a year. At the same time, the conservative approach 331 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:55.880 that I think I expect the Bengals to take, and honestly don't really fault 332 00:24:55.880 --> 00:25:02.160 them for, is seeing where Mike's at after another year. Just sure of 333 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:07.920 their approach with thirty year olds, and I think rightly so. But the 334 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.880 guy to me played great down the stretch for this team, was one of 335 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:15.160 the best players, if not the best player on the defense in the second 336 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.200 half of the season after he had a bit of a rocky start, and 337 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:23.359 also represents one of the players on this team that they're getting surplus value from 338 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:27.440 on his contract, Like Mike Hilton is worth more than what he's getting paid. 339 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:30.720 And right now, the Bengals don't have a ton of players if fit 340 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:34.000 that criteria that aren't on rookie deals. Yep, I agree, and I 341 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:41.880 think I think it's you almost don't want to block, and they kind of 342 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:44.200 did. They didn't do this with Hendrickson, but they kind of did. 343 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:45.400 But he's Trey Hendrickson, so you do it, but you don't want to 344 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.160 block one of the young guys, Like what if you end up drafting a 345 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.000 corner, right, So if anything happened with Mike, it would be training 346 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:55.799 camp, I would say, is when they decide to do that kind of 347 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.400 like they did with Trey. So plenty of time there on that one. 348 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.359 Let's keep things rolling with let me look here, oh you mentioned linebackers. 349 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.000 Let's go with this one. Bengals gaffer, he said, there's an obvious 350 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:12.039 issue in the Bengals have had a Keim Davis gather back there for a while, 351 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:15.000 but he's an undrafted free agent. No one is talking about linebacker and 352 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:18.400 the drafter free agency. What's the future of the position for the Bengals and 353 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.079 how do you feel about Jermaine Pratt Logan Wilson after the season. Jermaine Pratt 354 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:26.079 Logan Wilson are going to continue to be the starting linebackers for at least another 355 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:32.480 year, and then maybe you look at Jermaine Pratt's contract at that point if 356 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:34.920 they're not pleased with the way he plays. But I think they're relatively happy 357 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:41.079 with the linebackers despite the fact that, like statistically PFF grades whatever it is, 358 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:45.160 there's a little bit of aggression there. I think that you listen to 359 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.160 the way lou Ana Romo talks about those guys that he talks about the safeties 360 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:53.000 changing and more responsibility coming to the linebackers. You look at the defensive front, 361 00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:56.799 the struggles they had on the defensive interior this year, that affecting the 362 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:02.799 linebackers as well. So I do think that the starters are set, but 363 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:06.119 it is a fair question about depth. They've had Marcus Bailey and King Davis 364 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:12.039 Gather as a backup linebackers they've been very comfortable with for their entire professional careers. 365 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:17.400 That is something that I think likely changes. I think that they'll have 366 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.480 conversations and see what the market is for both of those guys. Maybe Marcus 367 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:26.480 Bailey is back, perhaps easier because of draft status than a King Davis Gather, 368 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:29.559 But wouldn't be surprised to see either of those guys try to find jobs 369 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:33.160 elsewhere, try to find a little bit more playing time elsewhere, and then 370 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:34.880 the Bengals probably do have to deal with depth. I don't know if that's 371 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:38.160 I mean. I would say it's certainly not, in my eyes, a 372 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:44.119 high draft pick unless there's overwhelming value the way Jordan Battle emerged to them in 373 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:45.720 the third round, and Jordan Battle turned out to be a pretty good draft 374 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:51.279 pick. He had a really good rookie season. But I agree that depth 375 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:55.759 is an issue. I have talked about this though, Bengals Gaffer. It's 376 00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:59.799 not no one, it's not many people. We have talked about linebacker depth, 377 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:03.799 and that's true for a number of positions on this roster. This offseason, 378 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.319 in particular, I think they'll sign Joe Bachi call it right now. 379 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.640 I think they'll resign Joe Bachi, and I think that they will draft one 380 00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:19.000 wait, Day three at some point and and that'll be your linebacker room. 381 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.640 Now. Who knows, maybe Marcus Bailey does make his way back or something 382 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.160 like that. Wouldn't rule it out, but I do think you're right. 383 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.519 I think a Keen Davis Kaser especially, he's probably looking for more playing time. 384 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:34.960 Yeah, and a guy that had the pedigree, Like before last season, 385 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:37.200 we're like, oh, he's still young. He's just going to be 386 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:41.920 the starter with Logan Wilson next year. And that was what we thought going 387 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:47.319 into the off season. Obviously that didn't happen. Let's let's fill out our 388 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.519 running backbacker punter questions. Well, let's let's knock this one out quickly. 389 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:57.880 Do you expect a relevant punter to be competing with Brad Robbins next year? 390 00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:02.400 That question from Zach Bengals underscores ac. Yeah. I think they will neither 391 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:07.200 sign an undrafted free agent or some kind of free agent punner to compete with 392 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:12.119 Robbins. I think that's one hundred percent happening. Yep, agreed jb At 393 00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:17.519 Jay Bruce eleven sixty six, and this is probably a bigger conversation then we're 394 00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:19.599 going to get into today. But who is the best running back option to 395 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.319 pair with Chase Brown next season? Joe Mixon, a drafted running back, 396 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:27.279 a free agent. This is probably a bigger topic because there are some tantalizing 397 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.640 running back free agents. Yeah, this is let's use this to tease the 398 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:37.720 bigger topic. But I think regardless of mixing, regardless of free agent, 399 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.880 I still think that they are going to draft a running back regardless and continue 400 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.160 to to stay young in that room. But it is a huge, huge, 401 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.160 not even debate, but conversation that we need to have. I think 402 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.759 the likelihood is a drafted running back. I think that Chase Brown is not 403 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:56.599 a full time bell cow back. I don't think that that really exists very 404 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.640 much in the NFL anymore anywhere, and so I think think you're looking at 405 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.720 a two back approach that's the best fit for this offense. But they need 406 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.000 to make sure that whoever that other back is with Jase Brown can protect and 407 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.839 that is part of the formula they're going to have to look at. Let's 408 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.960 finish up with a fun question or two, depending on timing. Mike at 409 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:23.279 Bengals Underscore Sands, frequent film episode guests of this podcast, has a very 410 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:32.279 important question. He does We've been conducted by a strange cult that worships Skyline, 411 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:36.920 and we have been separated. We're isolated, but we are told that 412 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.440 we must eat as many Toledo's as possible in a twenty four hour period. 413 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.640 We do not know how many each other have consumed, but we are told 414 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.880 that it is a competition. Who wins and what is the total of Toledo's 415 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.119 consumed in a twenty four hour period. Well, I'm going to use this 416 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:56.200 to say, hey, Skyline, please sponsor this, because we could make 417 00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:00.720 this happen, you know, the Lockdown Bengals Chiledo contest. You know, 418 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.519 maybe we just skipped the cult part and make it happen. In real life, 419 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:11.759 it can't happen, So Skyline please reach out. I it's interesting. 420 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:14.720 Let me ask you, how many do you think you eat twenty three hours 421 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:21.880 twenty four hours? That's more than two thousand calories for sure. So I 422 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:25.519 also think that in terms of calories, according to the Internet, there's three 423 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:27.920 hundred and seventy calories in each, So you think ten of them, you'd 424 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:32.440 be feeling pretty rough. And a twenty four hour period based on the calorie 425 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:37.279 count. Yeah, but again since it's twenty four hours and not just like 426 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.039 a one day eating window. Yeah, and you're like, you have the 427 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.279 goal. I think more than ten. But I don't really remember how big 428 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.880 they are either, so I might have false confidence here. I eat chilitos 429 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:56.640 all the time. I can't say I would do this my instant mindset. 430 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.440 I put myself in this room knowing I needed to beat you, and not 431 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.119 knowing how many. Because I saw this question yesterday obviously when we put this 432 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.519 out, my goal would be four an hour, for an hour, for 433 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:13.759 twenty four hours. I don't know, because you do sleep so like we're 434 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.119 not. I mean, I assume we will sleep some. But my goal 435 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.759 would be four an hour. And I think I could do that one every 436 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:24.279 fifteen minutes. I could easily do three. I probably I'm starving right now. 437 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:27.839 I bet I could do five during the pod alone. If I wanted 438 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.319 to, what how many compared to a Chipotle burrito? How much food is 439 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:36.519 it? You aldo like a fifth small, a fourth, a third, 440 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:42.599 a fourth according no, no, a fourth or fifth? I would say 441 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.519 it depends on which one you go to. Okay, because which one sees 442 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.400 Scotland's not going to sponsor us now because I tell them tell the truth. 443 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.759 The great They're great everywhere, but some are a little thicker than others. 444 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.640 A couple mores. See. I know I can put down two Chipotle burritos 445 00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.759 in one sitting. So that makes me think that four an hour is a 446 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:06.920 much more reasonable number than it's sounded like. I think like it's almost like 447 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:08.680 a Taco Bell burto, not a Chipotle breed. I've had one too, 448 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:12.400 I just don't remember. Yeah yeah, yeah, like it's you know, 449 00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.519 it's it's much more reasonable. I also, we've talked about this before. 450 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.680 For any longtime listeners. They know that I'm a chili, cheese sandwich guy. 451 00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.440 I think that that would that would be easier for me. But I 452 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:27.240 think that I think that it would be really close. I really like this 453 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.680 From More sixty nine to sixty nine, Jake has nerd energy. He's more 454 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.440 likely to do the work by himself. James without a crowd, what are 455 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.920 we doing here? That's the life force for James. I thought that was 456 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.000 a really funny reply. That is funny. I'm trying to find Yeah, 457 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.839 without a crowd. Well that's why it's funny because I literally just said live 458 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:52.640 stream it, so clearly you do the crowd. Clearly I wanted the crowd. 459 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:57.599 Yeah, those COVID crowds weren't fun. I want the seventy thousand. 460 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.839 So next time I'm in Cincinnati, I'll get in a day early. We'll 461 00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.480 make sure we have nothing to do the next day, and we'll go to 462 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.719 Skyline and eat as many Toledos as we can. Yeah, if they sponsor 463 00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:10.480 the show, we can Scotland. I'm telling you, it would be crazy. 464 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:13.480 It would be awesome. You know how you do it with the Crossdown 465 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.480 shootout and everyone's there. We could do that, but with Bengals fans in 466 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:19.559 Lockdown Bengals. I promise it would work. All right, last time, 467 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.599 I'm gonna say it, by the way, clip this out someone audio or 468 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.280 something and send this to the Skyline person, you know, because I know 469 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:29.480 Cincinnati's small enough that you're going to hear it and know someone that owns a 470 00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.199 Skyline or it's part of marketing or something. Yeah, a lot of franchises 471 00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:37.480 out there that's gonna do it. For this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. 472 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:39.199 If we didn't get to your question, or we only tease the answer 473 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.679 to your question, know that we did see all of the questions this week. 474 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.360 There's a lot of great stuff, and there a lot of stuff we're 475 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:49.320 already planning to cover in some capacity. But know that if we didn't answer 476 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:53.119 your question today, it will likely be discussed in the future until next time 477 00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:57.800 where we will talk to Mike Venner about the draft. Thanks for listening, 478 00:34:58.119 --> 00:34:59.800 who day, and have a good one.