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James, we're diving into a mail bag today and we're going to start with
the Bengals internal free agents. We got a couple of questions about this,
and we had tons of questions in this mail bag. If you don't answer
your question today, we might get back to it in an episode in the
next couple of weeks. And we're a lot of really good ones. But
Bengelman Brothers and Brian v at ba Vilono both asked about some internal guys and
Bengelman Brothers wants us to rank for most the least likely to be on the
team next season the following players Tyler Boyd, Joe Mix and DJ Reader,
Chodobi Abuzi, A. T. Higgins, Jonah Williams Woo Yeah, and
Brian asked about TV and who this is a tough onot this Soun's a tough
onot because there is a very realistic path Jake that only one of those players
is back, Like, I think that's the most realistic path. Actually,
to be very clear, the most realistic path is t Higgins's franchise tagged.
Jonah signs elsewhere, Reader signs elsewhere, Mixon, I'll get into him in
a second. Tyler Boyd signs elsewhere, and Cheetoh signs elsewhere now mix and
we haven't talked about the specifics of it, but he's doing a three million
dollar roster bonus on March sixteenth, So there is beauty in that. And
here's the beauty the Bengals can make and have to make a quick decision on
him relative to the off season compared to last year when he took a pay
cut in the middle of July and we felt like we talked about it for
months and months and months. Rest easy, Bengals fans. We will know
if Joe Mixon is going to be on the team by March sixteenth. And
that is a beautiful thing where it can be non toxic and it can be
fair one way or the other. And we know exactly why, and I'm
sure his agent put that in there. I'm sure the Bengals wanted to put
that in there because they can make a decision as free agency starts and give
Mixing time to sign elsewhere and vice versa. So the question is to rank
them. T Higgins is by far, far and away number one for me.
I think he is back agreed, and I think that that's just a
no brain er. Twenty one point seven or whatever it is, million dollars
on the tag. Worst case is what's going to happen. Number two for
me is DJ Reader. I think that there is a path for DJ Reader
to return because they have nothing in that defensive tackle room. It's BJ Hill
and some DIDs correct and that pause for those on the podcast that was there
on purpose because my lord, it's Zach Carter's a backup. Maybe you resigned
Josh Tupo. J two felt like just dudes, And I don't think you
do any of those things, probably before the draft, especially if you can
keep Reader. So I don't know what it'll look like. I'm not sure
if Reader will be able to go for the start of the regular season.
I think that's kind of lofty at this stage, but it's super early.
But I would put Reader second. I would put Jonah third because I think
there's a scenario where they they look at the market, or maybe the market
looks at Jonah and it isn't as crazy, but I think it's that's where
this ends, because I would probably put Jona att maybe ten percent to return.
And the fact that he's third on this list, it lets you know
how I feel about the odds of Tyler Boyd is back or the odds that
who am I missing or cheating the significant one that you didn't did you?
Did you order Joe Mixon and this rank? Or is he down there with
those three guys? Those two I think? I mean, I think is
are you paying him three million dollars at the start of the year before the
draft? Are you? The question is, really do the Bengals want to
be on the hook for his eight and a half million dollars cap hit for
twenty twenty four eight point nine I see eight point five according to over the
cap So for either way some describing similar, but either way they can save
five point seventy five million dollars by cutting him or pay eight point five million
dollars if they think that he's worth that for next year. Would you do
that? I would not do that, yeah, And so I just I
think that that's I don't know how the Bengals doing it though, to be
clear, but I personally would not. And so you're probably right, So
let's go to that. It's probably there's probably like a twenty percent chance that
Mike Brown says, Hey, Joe Mixon has been here for seven years,
he's under contract. He ran for a thousand yards again average four yards of
carry, caught fifty two passes for three hundred plus yards. It had double
digit touchdowns between catching and running. Let's just bring him back for his final
year. So twenty percent chance that Mike Brown goes that route because of his
relationship with Joe, I don't will you will circle back to the Joe Mixon
topic and the running back topic, so we don't need to dive too deep
into it now. But I just wanted to clarify where he would be in
the order for you there. Yeah, so you're right, So it would
be T T DJ Joe, Jonah, Jonah, Joe, Joe, then
Jonah got it, yes, and it's low like Jonah's low, yeah,
and then probably Cheeto then BOYD. But I don't think either one is under
I think either both are under five percent. For me, yeah, I
also easily agree with T at number one and Boyd at number six, and
everything in the middle is a bit muddier to me. Mixon is in the
bottom half, and there's a big gap between T and number two. For
me, it's like T gap. And honestly, I thought Cheeto and Reader
are kind of close in some worlds, Like I wouldn't be shocked if the
market isn't there for Cheetoh, and he's the veteran on a one year deal
for the Bengals, because I do think that they add a veteran corner and
it wouldn't shock me if it's a guy they're familiar with in Hiudoba, a
woozie coming off and down here and we've seen him in the past and he's
older now, so who knows, but we've seen him in the past come
off an injury, have a down year in Dallas, and come to Cincinnati
then he was awesome. So getting away from that acl should help him too.
Do you think like he could be in their their eyes, like their
Eli Apple, like one year guy, their Sidney Jones one year guy.
It might cost a little more. That's yeah, that's my thought there is.
I do think they will add a veteran corner. It would not shock
me if it was Cheeto because of the familiarity, because he's in the building
already, But it would depend on the market list there for Cheetoh, it's
hard to say what will manifest for him or not. Currently our friend Brad
Spielberger PFF I think is a little bit high on Chaadobe Luzia's free agency market.
He has two years twenty three million estimated there. But I don't know.
I don't know if Cheeto's played on the stretch. Well, we'll end
up justifying that, so we'll see. But I don't think Jonah is likely
either. I don't think Boyd is likely. Reader is a big ques because
of the injury, but I think that they need to spend money on that
position specifically, And so DJ is a player they know is awesome, they
again are familiar with, and if they have a better idea of his time
to return, that's where you can see that happen if they have a good
idea of what's going on with that injury. And Reader did say it wasn't
as bad as the last time that he blew a quad a few years ago.
So hopefully that means he's getting healthy sooner. You know, he's gonna
work hard. You know, he's gonna do everything he can to get back
on the field. That's the kind of guy he is. But I do
think that the injury throws a lot of question on it where you know,
maybe if he hadn't gotten injured, the market is just too high for the
Bengals to bring him back. And now it's it's I think it was consider
Yeah, a great question there. It is a great question and a great
debate, and multiple guys could be back. I think you're right, cheating
reader. Those guys it's market dependent, they will test the market. Jonah
certainly market dependent to a large extent. We just assume his market is going
to be pretty big. But you never say never, and I wouldn't say
never with Mixin or Boyd or any of these guys. But we have a
lot to get to in this mail bag. That was a loaded first question
with plenty of topics that we will certainly cover all off season long. But
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kind of broad from Matt at mister k Sency, you would like to know
if the Bengals realistically we'll do more in free agency in twenty twenty four than
they did the last couple of years. They could have done more in twenty
twenty two, and he liked the Orlando Brown junior signing, but was a
little bit nonplussed by the guys that came after Orlando Brown junior year's free agency
class in particular. That would also like the Bengals to stop rolling over money,
which I don't know if that is going to happen. As much as
I agree with it, I think you're right. The fundamental question here is,
well they do more in twenty twenty four. I hope so more in
twenty four. I certainly hope so. I think they need to realize,
and I think they do, but they need to realize how crucial this offseason
is to not only keeping their own because part of why they I think we're
in reserve is because they knew what was coming. And last year during free
agency, Joe Burrow was coming and you needed to make sure you got his
extension done. And now this year, it's Jamar Chase and you're going to
try to get his extension done. But that cannot stop you from addressing defensive
tackle. That cannot stop you. Let's say Joanah Williams signs for four years
eighty million somewhere from getting a right tackle that you think can start for you.
To me, this Bengals team, they have some really obvious holes,
and to their credit, we have seen them plug the holes offensive line wise.
For example, after they made the run of the Super Bowl, we
were talking about the interior of that line and what did they do. Within
four hours of the legal tampering period, Alex Kappa and Ted Carriss had agreed
to terms with the Bengals. I'm hoping something like that happens with it,
at least similarly with this defensive tackle room. Now, maybe they wait for
reader a bit so it's not as quick, But what I mean is address
it with proven commodities. And maybe it's not Chris Jones who some have discussed
and I think that's kind of unrealistic, but actual bodies, actual depth,
proven players that give you the flexibility. So I think they do need to
add more. I'm not sure if there'll be an Orlando Brown junior type deal
and splash where you're giving up thirty one million dollars from the jump to get
him here. But I do think that they're gonna have to bring in multiple
bodies, and it could be sort of the way they attacked offensive line a
few years ago. They attack it with maybe a right tackle and a DT,
but get proven guys that they can bank on. The thing that makes
me think they will do more this year than they did last year's. I
think they've got just just more cap space to play with. When you look
at what they were dealing with last year, they were not cap strapped per
se, but Jodah Williams had a twelve and a half million dollar cap hit,
Tyler Boyd had a ten and a half million dollar cap hit. They
got Joe Mixon's cap hit down, but it was still almost nine million dollars.
Is eight point eight five and twenty twenty three Chenobi Abuzia. He has
another expiring contract this year eight point one million dollars on his deal. Last
year. They also chose to extend Jermaine Pratt, which wasn't a huge cap
hit. Logan Wilson's saying deal, but this year. They've got DJ Reader
and his what was it in twenty three he's on the ir got to scroll
down, fifteen and a half million dollar cap hit coming off the books.
They've got twelve million, twelve and a half for Jonah, ten and a
half ish for Tyler Boyd. So they've got these big cap hits coming off
the books, and they're also cap hits coming off the books for starters for
Reader, Boyd, O Woozier, Yonah, and then T Higgins obviously will
be due for a much larger cap hit this year. So the only restriction
on the sixty eight or so estimated millions of dollars of cap space for the
Bengals this year to play with is going to be that twenty one or so
million dollar franchise tag and or extension for T. Higgins. Outside of that,
you have many millions of dollars becoming free to spend on a starting defensive
tackle, if they want to spend on a starting slot wide receiver or tight
end perhaps to replace Tyler Boyd in this offense, depending on what direction they
want to go, if they want to spend more on corner or another position
on defense, if they feel like they want to go with youth at corner
and at a right tackle. So they've got all these spots where all this
money is now free and there's clear starting needs that are created by the players
that would be departing and freeing up that cap space. So to me,
necessarily they need to do more. Last year we talked about how few starting
holes they had to plug. It was the two safeties for the most part
that we were talking about as needs at for starters. There are depth needs
for sure this year. They have a ton of free agents in twenty twenty
four. But the math to me, and I haven't dug into this and
it's entirety yet to come up with how much money I think they'll spend or
anything like that, but the math to me suggests that they will necessarily spend
more money, spend more cap space on free agents, whether they're internal or
external in twenty twenty four because primarily of those first four guys reader boyd Oboozier
Williams that have relatively large cap hits vacating in addition to starting roles vacating for
this team, Yeah, I agree, I think it definitely feels much different,
just the feeling of the roster than it did, say, after the
draft a year ago, when they had kind of drafted a bunch of guys
that you didn't expect to contribute right away, and some did, of course,
but it didn't feel that way in the moment. It felt like the
draft was a year early and they'll be banking on some of those guys.
And at the same time, they have to spend, and I think they
know that, and that will be a hybrid aspect of this where how much
of it is on your own guys like we talked about, and as they
spend or as they plan to spend, that's a factor in whether or not
you re signed t Higgins long term versus just tag him for this year because
who knows, Maybe you want to take that money and invest it into a
defensive tackle, a younger defensive tackle that you can build around. Who knows.
I'm not sure there also will be a raise for Jamar Chase. That's
the other constraint on the cap hit. Like they almost I would imagine they
get that extension done this offseason. I I think so too. I do
wonder though, like Joe Burrow's extension was done the Thursday before the regular season
started seventy two hours before the jump. Can you get it done a little
earlier with Jamar? It would help, It would help a lot. Yeah,
it would help very much. But Jamar's waiting for Justin Jefferson's deal,
So there's that whatever, that's bs. I know he said that, but
that I think that's true. Showing the money. Yeah, are are we
sure Justin Jefferson's getting a deal this offseason? I don't know. I don't.
We would have to ask Luke Brown of locked On Vikings. I thought
he would before the start of last season. Yeah. So I think it's
really interesting. But we have a ton more questions. We will go a
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speed up a little bit here. I really like this one from Tony Crampo
at Bengal Underscore Dude, because this hasn't occurred to me recently. I think
I talked about it earlier in the season, but Tony wants to know if
you can see the Bengals extending Mike Hilton by a year, similar to Trey
Hendrickson's one year extension from twenty twenty threes OFAF season. I think it's interesting
do they want to go that route. I think Mike wants to be here.
I think he would be open to it. There's no doubt. So
he'll be thirty in March. Yeah, clearly play at a a high level,
still a big part of this defense. I think he's a leader in
that room. I don't know. I think that one is up in the
air. I will say they may look at it and say five nine one
and eighty pound thirty year old nickel corner. We don't though. I agree
with you. I'm fine with keeping Mike around, and he's a veteran in
that room, and they're going to stay young in that room. I know
people are calling on, hey, pay this safe or that, saying I
think they're going to be pretty young in that room. I just I do
wonder if that's going to be the case, if they'll go that route.
But I think he would be open to it, and I think that they
they'll probably have a conversation. I'm just not sure it gets done because you're
talking about a guy that as valuable as Mike is. Trey Hendrickson is in
a different arena, and there's a reason why they did that with Trey.
They might feel more comfortable just going another year with Mike Hilton and revisiting it
when he is set to hit free agency again as a thirty year old slot
corner who's a little bit undersized, but doesn't play undersize obviously, it's just
what his measurements are. He plays like a linebacker. I think that his
increasing positional versatility that we saw this year playing a lot more safety and it's
not a ton, but thirty four snaps of safety. He's staying on the
field a little bit more in linebacker alignments, in strong safety alignments when the
Bengals are facing heavier personnel packages, are keeping Mike Hilton on the field because
of what he can do for them. I would not be a post to
extending my Kilton for a year. At the same time, the conservative approach
that I think I expect the Bengals to take, and honestly don't really fault
them for, is seeing where Mike's at after another year. Just sure of
their approach with thirty year olds, and I think rightly so. But the
guy to me played great down the stretch for this team, was one of
the best players, if not the best player on the defense in the second
half of the season after he had a bit of a rocky start, and
also represents one of the players on this team that they're getting surplus value from
on his contract, Like Mike Hilton is worth more than what he's getting paid.
And right now, the Bengals don't have a ton of players if fit
that criteria that aren't on rookie deals. Yep, I agree, and I
think I think it's you almost don't want to block, and they kind of
did. They didn't do this with Hendrickson, but they kind of did.
But he's Trey Hendrickson, so you do it, but you don't want to
block one of the young guys, Like what if you end up drafting a
corner, right, So if anything happened with Mike, it would be training
camp, I would say, is when they decide to do that kind of
like they did with Trey. So plenty of time there on that one.
Let's keep things rolling with let me look here, oh you mentioned linebackers.
Let's go with this one. Bengals gaffer, he said, there's an obvious
issue in the Bengals have had a Keim Davis gather back there for a while,
but he's an undrafted free agent. No one is talking about linebacker and
the drafter free agency. What's the future of the position for the Bengals and
how do you feel about Jermaine Pratt Logan Wilson after the season. Jermaine Pratt
Logan Wilson are going to continue to be the starting linebackers for at least another
year, and then maybe you look at Jermaine Pratt's contract at that point if
they're not pleased with the way he plays. But I think they're relatively happy
with the linebackers despite the fact that, like statistically PFF grades whatever it is,
there's a little bit of aggression there. I think that you listen to
the way lou Ana Romo talks about those guys that he talks about the safeties
changing and more responsibility coming to the linebackers. You look at the defensive front,
the struggles they had on the defensive interior this year, that affecting the
linebackers as well. So I do think that the starters are set, but
it is a fair question about depth. They've had Marcus Bailey and King Davis
Gather as a backup linebackers they've been very comfortable with for their entire professional careers.
That is something that I think likely changes. I think that they'll have
conversations and see what the market is for both of those guys. Maybe Marcus
Bailey is back, perhaps easier because of draft status than a King Davis Gather,
But wouldn't be surprised to see either of those guys try to find jobs
elsewhere, try to find a little bit more playing time elsewhere, and then
the Bengals probably do have to deal with depth. I don't know if that's
I mean. I would say it's certainly not, in my eyes, a
high draft pick unless there's overwhelming value the way Jordan Battle emerged to them in
the third round, and Jordan Battle turned out to be a pretty good draft
pick. He had a really good rookie season. But I agree that depth
is an issue. I have talked about this though, Bengals Gaffer. It's
not no one, it's not many people. We have talked about linebacker depth,
and that's true for a number of positions on this roster. This offseason,
in particular, I think they'll sign Joe Bachi call it right now.
I think they'll resign Joe Bachi, and I think that they will draft one
wait, Day three at some point and and that'll be your linebacker room.
Now. Who knows, maybe Marcus Bailey does make his way back or something
like that. Wouldn't rule it out, but I do think you're right.
I think a Keen Davis Kaser especially, he's probably looking for more playing time.
Yeah, and a guy that had the pedigree, Like before last season,
we're like, oh, he's still young. He's just going to be
the starter with Logan Wilson next year. And that was what we thought going
into the off season. Obviously that didn't happen. Let's let's fill out our
running backbacker punter questions. Well, let's let's knock this one out quickly.
Do you expect a relevant punter to be competing with Brad Robbins next year?
That question from Zach Bengals underscores ac. Yeah. I think they will neither
sign an undrafted free agent or some kind of free agent punner to compete with
Robbins. I think that's one hundred percent happening. Yep, agreed jb At
Jay Bruce eleven sixty six, and this is probably a bigger conversation then we're
going to get into today. But who is the best running back option to
pair with Chase Brown next season? Joe Mixon, a drafted running back,
a free agent. This is probably a bigger topic because there are some tantalizing
running back free agents. Yeah, this is let's use this to tease the
bigger topic. But I think regardless of mixing, regardless of free agent,
I still think that they are going to draft a running back regardless and continue
to to stay young in that room. But it is a huge, huge,
not even debate, but conversation that we need to have. I think
the likelihood is a drafted running back. I think that Chase Brown is not
a full time bell cow back. I don't think that that really exists very
much in the NFL anymore anywhere, and so I think think you're looking at
a two back approach that's the best fit for this offense. But they need
to make sure that whoever that other back is with Jase Brown can protect and
that is part of the formula they're going to have to look at. Let's
finish up with a fun question or two, depending on timing. Mike at
Bengals Underscore Sands, frequent film episode guests of this podcast, has a very
important question. He does We've been conducted by a strange cult that worships Skyline,
and we have been separated. We're isolated, but we are told that
we must eat as many Toledo's as possible in a twenty four hour period.
We do not know how many each other have consumed, but we are told
that it is a competition. Who wins and what is the total of Toledo's
consumed in a twenty four hour period. Well, I'm going to use this
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Let me ask you, how many do you think you eat twenty three hours
twenty four hours? That's more than two thousand calories for sure. So I
also think that in terms of calories, according to the Internet, there's three
hundred and seventy calories in each, So you think ten of them, you'd
be feeling pretty rough. And a twenty four hour period based on the calorie
count. Yeah, but again since it's twenty four hours and not just like
a one day eating window. Yeah, and you're like, you have the
goal. I think more than ten. But I don't really remember how big
they are either, so I might have false confidence here. I eat chilitos
all the time. I can't say I would do this my instant mindset.
I put myself in this room knowing I needed to beat you, and not
knowing how many. Because I saw this question yesterday obviously when we put this
out, my goal would be four an hour, for an hour, for
twenty four hours. I don't know, because you do sleep so like we're
not. I mean, I assume we will sleep some. But my goal
would be four an hour. And I think I could do that one every
fifteen minutes. I could easily do three. I probably I'm starving right now.
I bet I could do five during the pod alone. If I wanted
to, what how many compared to a Chipotle burrito? How much food is
it? You aldo like a fifth small, a fourth, a third,
a fourth according no, no, a fourth or fifth? I would say
it depends on which one you go to. Okay, because which one sees
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The great They're great everywhere, but some are a little thicker than others.
A couple mores. See. I know I can put down two Chipotle burritos
in one sitting. So that makes me think that four an hour is a
much more reasonable number than it's sounded like. I think like it's almost like
a Taco Bell burto, not a Chipotle breed. I've had one too,
I just don't remember. Yeah yeah, yeah, like it's you know,
it's it's much more reasonable. I also, we've talked about this before.
For any longtime listeners. They know that I'm a chili, cheese sandwich guy.
I think that that would that would be easier for me. But I
think that I think that it would be really close. I really like this
From More sixty nine to sixty nine, Jake has nerd energy. He's more
likely to do the work by himself. James without a crowd, what are
we doing here? That's the life force for James. I thought that was
a really funny reply. That is funny. I'm trying to find Yeah,
without a crowd. Well that's why it's funny because I literally just said live
stream it, so clearly you do the crowd. Clearly I wanted the crowd.
Yeah, those COVID crowds weren't fun. I want the seventy thousand.
So next time I'm in Cincinnati, I'll get in a day early. We'll
make sure we have nothing to do the next day, and we'll go to
Skyline and eat as many Toledos as we can. Yeah, if they sponsor
the show, we can Scotland. I'm telling you, it would be crazy.
It would be awesome. You know how you do it with the Crossdown
shootout and everyone's there. We could do that, but with Bengals fans in
Lockdown Bengals. I promise it would work. All right, last time,
I'm gonna say it, by the way, clip this out someone audio or
something and send this to the Skyline person, you know, because I know
Cincinnati's small enough that you're going to hear it and know someone that owns a
Skyline or it's part of marketing or something. Yeah, a lot of franchises
out there that's gonna do it. For this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast.
If we didn't get to your question, or we only tease the answer
to your question, know that we did see all of the questions this week.
There's a lot of great stuff, and there a lot of stuff we're
already planning to cover in some capacity. But know that if we didn't answer
your question today, it will likely be discussed in the future until next time
where we will talk to Mike Venner about the draft. Thanks for listening,
who day, and have a good one.