WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.960 Now one of your pudding. I got a string going on here, something 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:07.919 just because my dog. Something killed your dog. My dog. We're flying 3 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:10.160 through the air over the tree. I don't know how it did it, 4 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:15.960 Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 5 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:18.239 over the fence and he was dead. And once you hit the ground like, 6 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:20.879 I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my dog coming over 7 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:41.320 the fence. Sat what are you putting? We got some wonder or something 8 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:52.240 crawling around out here? Did you see what it was or was it was? 9 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:55.079 Standing enough. I'm out here looking through the window now and I don't 10 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:59.359 see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better 11 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:06.640 hello, get somebody out here when I'm out there. I've thought of a 12 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:10.159 bitch of about tech forty nine. I don't know. Easy him out there. 13 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:12.439 Yeah, I'm walking right. Hey. I'm going to welcome o guest 14 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:15.079 to the show. It is John from right here in my home state of 15 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:19.840 North Carolina. Welcome to the show, John, Thanks Ronnan, I appreciate 16 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.560 it. I've been looking forward to this conversation. Man. Anybody in the 17 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:27.239 southeastern United States, particularly my home state of North Carolina or my old home 18 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:32.519 state of Georgia. I love to talk about this subject with I love to 19 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:34.760 get into those hometown stories. Before we get into some of the stories and 20 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.159 some of the things you're going to share with your experiences and some of your 21 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.000 family's experiences, let's talk about what guy you interested in the subject to begin 22 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:48.879 with. Growing up, I always like monster stuff, going to the library, 23 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:53.439 checking out bugs on vampires, where will the old horror fingers and stuff 24 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.840 like that, and then you would see pictures in there. Paddy and like 25 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:02.920 a lot of people, the Bigfoot lived in Oregon, Washington, California in 26 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:08.400 the western part of US, and you never really heard anything as far as 27 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:15.080 Bigfoot or Sindsquatch. And it wasn't until Signing Bigfoot and some of that stuff 28 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:20.800 started coming out that the light was shed on this area of the United States. 29 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.719 My grandma always talked about Boogers where I grew up at It was a 30 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:29.039 place called Booger Holler, and I just thought it was fascinating. And the 31 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:32.680 more I've listened to some of the podcasts and things like that, it's just 32 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:37.000 one of those things curiosity. Are they around, could they be around? 33 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:40.039 Or something like that in this area just one of those things I think there 34 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:45.719 could be. I've never seen one personally. I've experienced some weird things, 35 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:49.840 but I've never seen anything personally. Yeah, I'm the same way man. 36 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.120 I actually grew up in North Georgia hearing some of the stories. Now, 37 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.479 it wasn't a common thing that everybody talked about, but some people in my 38 00:02:55.479 --> 00:03:00.479 family, my great grandmother, my great grandfather would tell stories about people that 39 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:05.439 they knew that had experiences with what they called boogers or wild men, wooly 40 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:07.759 man, harry man, whatever, up on the mountains and ridges in that 41 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:12.439 area that I grew up in Georgia. It was just a common thing for 42 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.280 people in my family. We knew it happened to other people, and I 43 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:19.639 never had anybody in my family that had had an experience. But it's one 44 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:22.479 of the things. This is why this show was born, was to talk 45 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:27.000 to people in the southeastern United States because I'm very interested and curious about those 46 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:29.599 kind of encounters, Because I too, like you, believed when I was 47 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:34.919 a kid that Bigfoot might live in other areas out west, or in California 48 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.800 or whatever, but not where I was from, and certainly even here around 49 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:43.599 our property in North Carolina. We've had some weird experiences, found some weird 50 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:47.520 things, cast some footprints, lots of interesting things going on. You were 51 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:52.319 obviously interested in the subject as a kid. When did you actually start having 52 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.039 your first weird experiences, whether you can attribute it to sasquatch or not. 53 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:59.719 When you're out in the woods, things would have happened, and you don't 54 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:03.520 think about it at the time, and until you start discovering more and more 55 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:10.120 about experiences. People said, one of my first experiences is back in the 56 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:14.400 early nineties, my brother and a friend of ours went coon hunt. They 57 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:15.959 didn't even let us take the dogs, and we'd go let them out down 58 00:04:15.959 --> 00:04:19.600 on the creek and they would go tree. We had let loose one night 59 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:24.600 in the dog struck a trill. They got on the creek. They got 60 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:28.120 on the other side of the creek. It was in the springtime of the 61 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:31.720 year. It was actually a Loan creek, which some of the people know 62 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.879 anything about. Stanley County is where it happened at and my brother's the only 63 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:40.959 one that had waiters on. Well, he crossed the creek to go get 64 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:45.279 the dogs and we'd let the dogs go, and that they had tried, 65 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:49.079 but as my brother was crossing the creek, stones were getting thrown at them, 66 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:54.639 and they were hitting a creek as he crossed, and he thought it 67 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:58.879 was us and it wasn't us. But when he got to the tree, 68 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.319 the dogs met him before he got there. Those dogs didn't leave the tree. 69 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:09.279 My dad, he always picked that that he'd done a lot of coon 70 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:12.639 hunts and things like that. If there was just the mean dollars that he 71 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.120 would pick with guys, said you'll find my dogs hide and nailed to the 72 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.959 tree. If something happened, they didn't leave the tree. They did that 73 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:24.720 night and they were went from anyhow, when he got the dogs, it 74 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:30.759 was a low water bridge about five hundred yards down on an old dirt road. 75 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:35.240 So me and our friend walked on this side and my brother was on 76 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:41.680 the other side, and he said he could hear something walking along with him 77 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:44.639 as he got to the low water bridge. But whenever we met up at 78 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.759 the low water bridge, we didn't hear anything or anything like that. Everything 79 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:54.879 just stopped. That was that incident. Another one when I was in college. 80 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:59.600 The family end that we have is in Montgomery County. That's where my 81 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.480 grandma I grew up. Her brothers, and my great grandfather and great grandmother 82 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:09.560 and mom and dad lived there now, and I would always when I'd come 83 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:14.639 home from school from college I went to State, and I would check on 84 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:16.800 my great uncle to see if you need anything. Because he didn't drive. 85 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:21.000 My grandparents would get pick him up sometimes taking grocery shopping and stuff. And 86 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:25.920 I would check on whenever I come in. We always kept feeders out. 87 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:30.279 We didn't always keep corning the feeder, especially during springtime, just to I 88 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:31.879 got there and I checked on. He didn't need eat things. I just 89 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:34.839 went out there and walked around, check it on the feet, make sure 90 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:40.120 he's still hanging in tree. And it was just a weird ceiling. And 91 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:44.720 that's all I can explain. Never did see anything, never did hear anything. 92 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:47.959 But I have never felt uncomfortable in those looks. I've been hunting for 93 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:54.199 thirty five years, and that's just one of those things that I've never had 94 00:06:54.199 --> 00:07:00.600 that feeling since. So that one day was different as far as that goes 95 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:04.920 now, about four years ago it was the last of dear season. I 96 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:10.399 remember it then. I can remember hearing bobcats and and things like that out 97 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:14.800 there at Mom and Dad's hunt. But four years ago was right at five 98 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:17.639 o'clock because I looked at my watch when it happened and I heard some coyotes 99 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:24.839 sound off. But before the coyotes sounded off, there was something that sounded 100 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:30.199 off before it. It wasn't a coyote. It wasn't a bobcat, it 101 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:33.959 wasn't a cougar, it wasn't anything like that. I listened to some of 102 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:38.399 the sounds, like the Ohio sound, stuff like that. It wasn't necessarily 103 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:42.040 like that, but it was. I don't know, it was just hard 104 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:46.000 to explain, but it wasn't anything I'd ever heard before. And I just 105 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.839 thought it was weird because it went on from probably thirty seconds to a minute 106 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:54.720 that the coyotes were sounding off to but the coyotes didn't go that much longer 107 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:59.240 after that. It was weird. Looking back now thinking about some of that 108 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:01.199 stuff, you just could it have been. And that's like I said, 109 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:05.120 I've never had a personal experience as far or seeing anything, but just experiencing 110 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:09.079 some weird things. You're going to have that hunting wood. You're going to 111 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:13.319 experience things. But those were just what got my attention. Maybe the best 112 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.240 way to say it, you said. The sound was like a roaring kind 113 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:22.079 of sound. It sounded like it was loud enough that you could car it. 114 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:26.879 It was probably a half mile away something like that. It wasn't a 115 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.639 mile or anything like that. But where I was hunting at and where mom 116 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:35.399 and Dad's places, there's a dirt road that comes up through there, and 117 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.320 it was on the other side there on the game lands. I was looking 118 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.759 through the email that you sent. There was something about five years ago when 119 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.279 you were hunting and you heard some tree nocks. Can you tell us a 120 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:50.279 little bit about that experience. Yeah. Usually I go to mom and Dad's 121 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.799 where we live at. It's just easier for me to go spend the night 122 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:56.559 before so I don't have to drive as far and I can just get up 123 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:01.960 and go into woods. I had walked out that evening I heard something behind 124 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:07.799 the house. It was dark. It was no way to explain that of 125 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.840 them, and it was just dark, and it was probably eight o'clock something 126 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:18.360 like that. But the dogs usually bark when a deer around. That's just 127 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:24.600 what hounds do. They bark. And that night whenever you could hear something 128 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:28.559 moving down the ridge behind the house, and you could hear what sounded like 129 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.799 tree knocks, because, like I said, I thought it was you know, 130 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:39.759 two bucks sparring in there. But it wasn't a full fledge flashing like 131 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.639 you think of whenever Antler's flash. It was just a knock here, a 132 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:50.000 knock there. And to go along with that, the pictures I sent you 133 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.759 with those trees that were pushed over is on the same holler. There's a 134 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.759 laurel thicket that goes back in there and it was right in line where I 135 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:03.480 founded those trees that had been you know, pushed over last year. And 136 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:07.799 just peculiar. It's one of those things. I don't know what it was, 137 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.840 but it perplexed me. Like I said, I thought it was just 138 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:15.480 dear until you started to hear more and more about tree knocks and things like. 139 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:20.000 You don't know, but it's just peculiar with that stuff that goes on. 140 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.639 Yeah, I never really gave a whole lot of thought to or even 141 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.600 credit to tree knocks. Maybe a month and a half two months ago, 142 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:33.200 I heard what sounded like four power knocks at three o'clock in the morning here 143 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:35.919 on my property. I went out to take a whiz off the front poor 144 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:39.919 chill at three o'clock in the morning and I hear bam on the back of 145 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:46.960 this ridge behind our house here. There's no other explanation in description I can 146 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:52.279 give other than it sounds like what people call power knocks, thunder knocks whatever 147 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:58.840 associated with bigfoot. I don't know, man, It just it really unsettled 148 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.320 me because I'm like, yeah, we've had weird things here, We've had 149 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:07.120 vocalizations and weird stuff, but it just seems like in the last six or 150 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:11.759 nine months activity has picked up here. And it's really strange because we haven't 151 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:16.559 heard vocalizations or any of that stuff recently. But it's other things. It's 152 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:22.120 the tree knocks, finding footprints very close to our house, which is a 153 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:26.440 little unnerving and unsettling in and of itself. But I'm always curious about the 154 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:30.360 tree knocks because again, like I said, I just never really put a 155 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:33.399 whole lot of thought into it. But I did a show recently, I 156 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:39.679 think it was this past week about chimps doing the chest beating that they do 157 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.919 and the drumming that they do. They actually use things to drum, to 158 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:48.039 the point where scientists have been able to literally pick out individuals not seeing them, 159 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:54.320 just hearing the drumming that they've documented over multiple times, and it's so 160 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.279 individualized for these chimpanzees. They know which chimps do in it by name, 161 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:01.879 just on the drumming. So I thought, I'm going to read that for 162 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:07.399 everybody on the show, because that could be very much in correlation with what 163 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.960 people are experiencing with tree knocks. It may go beyond just a communication, 164 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:15.039 Hey I'm over here, Hey you're over there. Hey there's a couple of 165 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:18.279 guys hunting in this area, or whatever it might be. Again, it's 166 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.159 all speculation, but I thought it was very interesting that chimps do that to 167 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.360 the point where the scientists, like I said, can literally pick out which 168 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.600 chimp's doing it. Could say, squatch be doing the same thing. I 169 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.440 don't know. I just I found it interesting, and I really picked up 170 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.200 on that in your email and wanted to definitely touch on the tree knocks because 171 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.559 again, outside of the four that I've heard here, never heard anything like 172 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.639 it before or since. It's one of those things that if you hear it, 173 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.679 you know it the same way you hear a BombCast strength. The first 174 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.720 time you hear it is going to get your attention, and then after that 175 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:54.159 you know what it is, same way with the deer blowing in the woods. 176 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:58.399 Deer blows at you, and you know what that is. And that's 177 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.279 the thing. Like I said, I just there was some and I can't 178 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:07.399 prove anything, just like you said, speculation. It's just interesting because nobody 179 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:13.919 ever said anything that's get into his family stories. Nobody ever said anything growing 180 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:18.440 up. You know, my uncle John, whenever we would hunt, he 181 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:22.720 was one or two veterans, just as hard as nails. He snake logs 182 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:26.200 out. That was his job. And he'd always tell us to be careful 183 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:31.159 because there will hunt out or you've got copperheads, you've got rattlesnake. So 184 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:35.039 you got this now, but he was always telling us to be careful. 185 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:39.639 Didn't find out. Just a couple of years ago, Daddy was just we 186 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:45.039 were talking about it. And back in the fifties or sixties, my great 187 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:50.120 grandpa and my uncle John her commotion out there at hog. It just so 188 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:52.360 happened. It was a full moon night and there's a six acre field out 189 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:58.399 there behind their house. So they went outside and there was something in the 190 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.679 hog. Then two hogs, one of each arm, that weighed a hundred 191 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:07.759 pounds and started off across the field, said it was tall, said it 192 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:13.399 was Harry, and my great grandpa actually shot it. Now, I don't 193 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.600 know what he shot at it with, but I know that he loved the 194 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:20.279 deer hunt with twenty gage, that's probably what he used. But he didn't 195 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.320 slow it down any and it didn't holler. He just took off. Mom 196 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:28.559 and Dad. Mom doesn't like to talk about it. She's scared to death 197 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.919 because when to find a big foot show come out. They've done the town 198 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:37.399 hall there Montgomery County. They had friends that were calling and tell my mom 199 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.399 for all this stuff's going on, and Daddy worked, he was having to 200 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:45.840 work that night. She was just scared to death. But Mom and Dad 201 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.919 has heard streams, well, I guess screams the best way to say it. 202 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:54.919 Vocalizations around there. Just sitting down on the trunk porch. Dady said 203 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.159 he heard what a week and a half ago. I think it was on 204 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.440 Wednesday night, about three o'clock in the morning. He had woken up and 205 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:07.720 he heard one screaming. He said he didn't hear one, you know, 206 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:11.639 but he said, John, he said, there's nothing else that could have 207 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:15.200 been. It was three o'clock in the morning, he said, the dogs 208 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.919 weren't barking. That one was going on, he said, and it was 209 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.919 just as clear as day. Because out there macgovern Cowny and the middle you 210 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:26.919 are is when it's quiet. It's one of the shoe places. You can 211 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:31.799 get out and just roll around and it really be quieter than being in the 212 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:37.360 mountains. But Dad has seen pictures of basketwatch or Bigfoot, what everyone will 213 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.080 say on trail camps. Saw his friends, he said, john you can 214 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.960 see shoulders, he said, you can see arms, you can see the 215 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.320 hair. He said, it is plain to day what it is. There's 216 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:54.759 a road that goes between and they're land in game lands. This an old 217 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.440 road bed that's been there forever that was cut out by the how many years 218 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:04.639 ago? But did he said? Usually the dogs walking all the time, 219 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.559 like I said, but night, that's one of the things with hounds. 220 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.399 But he said sometimes when he's outside, and he said, it doesn't happen 221 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.919 all the time. It's happened a few times since they've lived there in twenty 222 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.039 years, that the dogs will get quiet. But he can hear something walking 223 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.279 up the road. He said, Johnny, there's a smell. He said, 224 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.120 it's not a skunk smell. You know what it smells like. He 225 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:30.799 said, when you're at river, that smell at the river like a fish 226 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:33.919 smell. That's what it smells like. You can smell it. And they 227 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:38.200 don't live anywhere near river, but whenever they're gone, when you don't smell 228 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:42.559 me. So it's just it's one of those things. You can't prove it, 229 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:48.679 but it's just peculiar that things like that would happen. I'm reading over 230 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:52.759 your email. I'm trying to think of some of the stories because there with 231 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:59.480 some My brother's been hunting back in there and killed deer and something past him 232 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:02.960 out and said he was coming out with a deer, and we don't know 233 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:06.759 what it was. It could have been anything. The North Carolina and Walleye 234 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:11.359 says there's not Couber's in North Carolina. That's what they say. But you've 235 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:17.720 had plenty of people that have seen them, and they've seen tracks and everything 236 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:22.799 else. There's rumors of Couber's under U Rris. It's one of those things. 237 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.119 Could it have been that now they have been up bear season in North 238 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.240 Carolina and Pimont Now it's been a long time ago, but could have been 239 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:32.440 a bear. I don't know, and he doesn't know as far as I 240 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:36.359 coud. What are the interesting stories that you included in your email was about 241 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:38.960 your uncle was a deputy sheriff in Stanley County and he had some stories. 242 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:42.599 Why don't you go into some of those? Those are very interesting. My 243 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:49.680 uncle he has always been interested in the paranormal, just for me coming up, 244 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:55.480 because he would talk about seeing UFO sometimes when we camped out and all. 245 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:59.640 But he would tell us they was, Oh, it had to be 246 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:03.160 in the It was in the nineties when he was steal the deputy sheriff. 247 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.359 He was doing the ride along with a state trooper. They were in Stanley 248 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:12.519 County. They were crossing a bridge, getting right across the bridge Rocky River. 249 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.640 They said him and both that trooper seen something cross the road. They 250 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.680 said it was big and dark. It was tall. He said that Johnny 251 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.599 wasn't short. He said it was over six foot. My uncle's about sixty 252 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.599 three, but he's not short either. He said, we've seen it, 253 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.480 and we stopped because it went over the guardrail, the fall from the guardrail 254 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:38.599 and then go completely into the river. The bangshure right there and it was 255 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:42.160 probably a ten or fifteen foot drop. They said, we thought it was 256 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:48.119 probably somebody that had camped out, drank too much and tumbled over the guardrail. 257 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.559 When they looked down, it was nothing there. John, that was 258 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:56.079 nothing there, he said, I'm telling you, I don't think they reported 259 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:57.880 it because I don't think anybody would have believed them. You know how that 260 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:03.960 goes with police officers and at Cherish deputies and say troopers and everything. It 261 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:08.799 was odd, But there's a rapport on the bfr old website from back in 262 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.839 the mid nineties of a lady that had an experience in that same area. 263 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:21.200 That's something across the road right there at I found this first story on the 264 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:26.279 BFRO website. Her encounter took place in Stanley County, North Carolina, between 265 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:30.160 the towns of oap Boro and Aquadale in the fall of nineteen ninety four. 266 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:33.799 As I navigated the road around ten thirty pm, I noticed a figure looming 267 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.160 on the left where the road very right. I flicked my head lights to 268 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:41.519 fullbeam, swerved left, and headed straight towards it. My car positioned sideways 269 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.119 on the road. As I approached, I halted, gaining a clear view 270 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.599 of the entity. It towered so high that I had to lean forward towards 271 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:52.240 the steering wheel to gaze up at its face. I could distinctly make out 272 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:56.119 a mail figure from just above his knees to the top of his head. 273 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.880 I locked eyes with him, feeling as though he was communicating with me through 274 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.480 his gaze. He allowed me to observe him closely before he nodded, signaling 275 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:07.640 me to move on. He stood at a staggering height of at least seven 276 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:11.839 feet, adorned with silver and black hair, some strands reaching four to five 277 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.079 inches long. His skin, where visible, was dark and rugged, akin 278 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.920 to someone who spent a lot of time outdoors. His eyes mirrored those of 279 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:22.640 a dog, specifically an Alaskan husky, and he had a broad, flat 280 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.640 nose and a wide, thin mouth reminiscent of a man's. He remained silent, 281 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:32.160 his mouth shut, simply standing there, blinking occasionally and making gestures with 282 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:34.960 his head and eyes. When he nodded, I understood it was time to 283 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:40.359 depart. I slowly turned the steering wheel, feeling somewhat dazed, and continued 284 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:42.720 down the road. I estimated that I had been there for about fifteen to 285 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:47.720 twenty minutes. I reached home located about a quarter mile up the road, 286 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:52.400 trembling with excitement and barely able to walk. Despite the encounter, I never 287 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:56.279 felt fear. I guess it just adds a little bit of lidity. I 288 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:59.160 don't think my uncle will lie to him or eatthing like that. That is 289 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:03.480 just one of those things. And he's gotten some pictures of footprints over the 290 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:07.680 years there where he lives at, and he's had some pictures of my shine 291 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:12.160 whenever he was out and he told me, he said, Johnny said, 292 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:15.359 I know there's deer around, but this was too high for a deer. 293 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.559 You look at a deer in this four foot off the ground where the head's 294 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.440 at, and you're seeing the eyes, he said, this is a whole 295 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:26.839 lot taller than that. He said to spacing between the eyes was just it 296 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:30.640 was just more than a deer would be. Just to interest in some of 297 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:36.480 those things that you know, you just didn't hear about it up until nowadays 298 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:38.680 here in Davy County. I don't know if you got to look at this, 299 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:42.119 I say foot print, It looks like a footprint. It's some kind 300 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.920 of print. I'll just put it that way. That me and my son 301 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.720 got three years ago and I sat on it and sat on it and sat 302 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.519 on it, and finally lights fallow. I showed it to Daddy and said, 303 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:55.519 Eddie, what do you think about this? He didn't say much. 304 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:57.880 He said, that's just really interesting. You found that out there at your 305 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:02.279 place. But we don't live but about a mile and a half from the 306 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:07.799 Yacin River es Pro flies. The Yactin River turns into the p D River 307 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:12.319 in North Carolina. Ri River comes into the PD River, Long Creek, 308 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:18.480 Rocky River feed into the PD from Piedmont. That's the main river here into 309 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:25.039 Piedmont. It's just interests. And whenever I found that track, I got 310 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:30.559 to look and found some reports on the gilth toosed Bigfoot research and they had 311 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:37.599 some reports of people here in vocalizations here in Davy County down Long River. 312 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.599 This second story also comes from the BFRO website. This encounter took place in 313 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:47.039 Moxville, North Carolina, in the summer of nineteen seventy seven, twenty six 314 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:51.000 years ago. During a summer filled with teenage adventures, my cousin, my 315 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:53.240 friend, and I decided to camp out in a quaint town called Moxville, 316 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:59.799 North Carolina. Approximately twenty five miles away from Winston Salem. After setting up 317 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:03.440 our tent in a field about two hundred yards from my friend's house, with 318 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.759 the woods just one hundred yards away, we began preparing a fire. Suddenly 319 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:11.960 we heard the sound of something sprinting through the nearby woods, rapidly approaching the 320 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:15.880 edge. Without hesitation, we sprinted towards my friend's house, following an old 321 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:21.480 motorcycle path that cut through knee high weeds. Despite our efforts, the mysterious 322 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:25.839 entity almost caught up to us. Glancing back, we witnessed it standing amidst 323 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:30.000 the flames, tossing logs out of the fire. It stood an astonishing eight 324 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.039 feet tall, covered in thick hair. Trembling with fear, we reached my 325 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:38.119 friend's house and immediately recounted our harrowing experience to his mother. Having grown up 326 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:41.960 on a farm, she was not easily frightened and initially laughed off our story. 327 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:47.240 However, her laughter quickly turned to terror when she ventured outside to retrieve 328 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:52.160 some clothes from the clothesline. She returned moments later petrified, describing an enormous 329 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.920 creature unlike anything she had ever seen. It resembled a large monkey, towering 330 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:00.599 at least eight feet tall. Throughout the night, we could hear it circling 331 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:04.160 the house, and on a few occasions it even ventured onto the porch. 332 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:10.039 We were paralyzed with fear, too terrified to look outside and without a phone 333 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:14.079 to call for help. Eventually, the first light of dawn arrived and the 334 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:18.279 creature vanished. As we gathered our courage and emerged from the house. We 335 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:22.200 examined the spot where it had emerged from the woods. The branches were snapped 336 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:25.559 off up to a height of about eight feet. Following this encounter, I 337 00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:29.400 delved into every book I could find on Bigfoot. It all started to make 338 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:32.880 sense, the strong sin of yearing we had detected before it emerged from the 339 00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:37.039 woods, and the imposing figure we had witnessed. Until now, I have 340 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:40.440 only shared this story with my family, but I have no doubt in my 341 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:44.759 mind that what we encountered that night was indeed Bigfoot. And stay tuned for 342 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:52.039 more sasquatch oat to see. We'll be right back after these messages. It's 343 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:56.240 just really interest as far as that goes, that there would be things going 344 00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:03.400 on, and not just that you hear different areas. What was the one 345 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.920 in Chaser there in North Carolina. I can't remember the name they gave it. 346 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.240 And then you hear in other places, but you just don't think of 347 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:14.160 anything around your house. I guess best Lay's say, because we've never heard. 348 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.599 We've heard diutes and stuff, but never heard anything. As far as 349 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.440 I go here, I'm always interested in talking about the trail camp pictures. 350 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.240 I've talked about this so many times. I think there is a ton of 351 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:32.880 that stuff out there that most of us will never see because people just don't 352 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:36.359 want to deal with the problems that come along with releasing that kind of stuff. 353 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:40.079 Even you had a picture of a footprint and you didn't show it to 354 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:44.000 anybody for quite a while, because I'm assuming I don't want to put words 355 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.799 in your mouth, but very much like me, I think you're apprehensive to 356 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:49.920 put that stuff out there, because when I first started finding things on the 357 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:53.240 property here, I didn't want to tell anybody about it. Honestly, I'm 358 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.599 a dude who does a big Foot podcast, right, I never thought I 359 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.599 would be like that. I've even said it recently on other interviews. I 360 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.559 think I said it to Cliff and Bobo when I was on with them on 361 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.119 Bigfoot and beyond. You get to a point where you just don't want to 362 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:11.400 deal with the repercussions of putting stuff out there, because everybody becomes a keyboard 363 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:17.480 vigilante and they start calling you hoaxer and all these crazy things. I'm not 364 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:21.119 saying anything definitive here. I'm just putting out what's happening on my property, 365 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.960 what I experience, what i'm seeing, and what i'm finding. You take 366 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:26.599 what you want and leave the rest. I'm not trying to prove anything to 367 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.279 anybody. I'm just sharing my experiences because I think it's important. I say 368 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:34.640 it all the time. Every little piece of the puzzle is data. A 369 00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:38.400 picture of your footprint. I took pictures of a footprint that I didn't get 370 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.880 to cast here a couple of months ago, and I'm so thankful that I 371 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:45.880 took my camera on that hike, or took my phone on that hike to 372 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.720 take a picture, because I showed it to Cliff barrick Man from Finding Bigfoot 373 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.160 when we were hanging out in Idaho, and Cliff was like, dude, 374 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.160 that's a Sasquatch print, one of the best I've seen. You should have 375 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:00.839 casted it. But at least I had the photo to say, take a 376 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.119 look at this and just tell me what you think. I didn't say, 377 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:04.279 hey, look at this bigfoot print, Cliff. I just said, hey, 378 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:07.559 just take a look at these pictures and tell me what you think. 379 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.079 And that was what he thought. It's so frustrating to me that there are 380 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:15.200 tons of people out there. And I say tons. It's probably not as 381 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:15.880 many as I would like it to be, but I think there are a 382 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.079 lot of people out there who have evidence, They have pictures of these things, 383 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:23.359 they have videos from trail cams, god knows what else, and we'll 384 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:27.240 never see it. And I think shows like Finding Bigfoot did a lot of 385 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:33.519 good in putting that into the homes of so many people and making it a 386 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.119 little bit more mainstream to talk about. And I'm so glad that they came 387 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:42.160 down in areas like North Carolina and did some investigations and gave people the opportunity 388 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.799 to say, look, come tell us your stories. Let's talk about what's 389 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.319 going on here, because I do think there are some things going on. 390 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.079 I don't think these things are as prevalent as I would hope them to be 391 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:55.160 in this area, but I do think they're hanging around here. Because some 392 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:59.559 of the things that have happened to me recently. I can't explain the last 393 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.440 two foot prince I cast on my property. I haven't showed them to anybody. 394 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:04.960 I haven't showed anybody any photos of them because they turned out too good. 395 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:08.000 And I know that's stupid to say. It almost sounds stupid to say 396 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:14.400 as I'm saying it, but they look really good. Some of the other 397 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:18.240 ones that I've cast look like crap, and these it's whatever this is stepped 398 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:23.799 in was soft enough after a rain that it's like three and a half inch 399 00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:29.559 impressions, and I was able to get some really good cast. But I 400 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:30.680 don't know that I'll show them to anybody, to be honest with you, 401 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.200 because the second I do, they're going to say, oh, to hoax, 402 00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.279 there's no such thing as bigfoot, so those aren't real, you know. 403 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.920 So is that one of the things that you experienced when you talk to 404 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.640 people about it in that area? Is it still taboo or do you think 405 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:48.359 people are more apt to talk about it nowadays and open up about it. 406 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:52.119 I think people would pick and choose their battles a lot of times. That's 407 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.240 like me and my son found that it was a creep bed, it was 408 00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:02.680 a shallock creek, and there were the print is you can just barely see 409 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:06.960 the hill, but then you can see the two impressions. But it's so 410 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.519 thick right there you would have been able to find any more footprints going up 411 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:17.279 out of the creek because it's so thick. I didn't think about casting it. 412 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.400 It would have probably made a pretty good cast as far as that goes, 413 00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:23.440 but I've heard cliffs say too. It takes practice to cast to get 414 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:27.480 that mixture just right, and plaster is not the easiest thing to work with. 415 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.440 Now I did. I showed it to Daidy last fall, and a 416 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:36.839 couple of weeks ago I sent it to my roommate from college because we both 417 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.559 donted and you enjoyed, and we stay in contact. And I said it 418 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:42.519 to him, I said, we just think about this. He said it's 419 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:48.000 interesting, and he drew his little picture on his phone would send it back 420 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:49.519 to me. And he said, is this where the hill's at? And 421 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:53.000 I said exactly, because the phone case is down there in this long case 422 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:57.519 of six inches long, so the track is anywhere between twelve and thirteen inches. 423 00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.640 But then he went and started telling me about experiences that he had on 424 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:08.480 his farm. He lives in Horn County down around Fable and Raleigh and everything, 425 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.920 and he's never seen anything, but he's experienced a few things between his 426 00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:18.640 goats and chickens and stuff like that. So it's just one of those things 427 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.119 that it's just odd that I think they were just picking juice of bowels because 428 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:25.079 I asked Dad, I said, Dan, is there anyway you can get 429 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:29.839 a comfort those pictures? And he was like now, he said, you're 430 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.759 not able to get copies those pictures. They said they're going to keep them 431 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.160 from them. They basically what you just said. They just don't want to 432 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:41.160 put up the ridicule if somebody has something to say about it. It's sad. 433 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.160 It's really sad because me and my wife talk about it. I told 434 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:49.400 you, I believe that there could be something out there. The evidence shows 435 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:55.160 that something's going on. I guess spit's let's say it, and that stuff's 436 00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:59.480 not going to come to light until he can do You can have people research 437 00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:02.759 and stuff like found that. She looked at Jane Goodall, how long did 438 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.319 it take for people to leave her with her research that was going on? 439 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.640 And now she's all of respected for the research she's done, but it's took 440 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:17.400 years. It's just one of those things that unfortunately, like a law of 441 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:22.599 the podcasts and people talk about, I didn't take the body to trus it's 442 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.000 real pictures aren't going to do it just this. The footprints aren't going to 443 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.240 do it justice, handprints or whatever. That's the sad part about it. 444 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.240 The first footprint that I casted here on the property, I was walking the 445 00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.799 dogs one morning and there's a footprint right in the middle of the path where 446 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.319 we walked the dogs a couple of times a day. It looked like a 447 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.519 possibly a double step bear print. It looked like a whole lot of things, 448 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.480 but I could clearly see what looked like five toes and I ended up 449 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.680 casting it. And the cast turned out pretty well, much better than I 450 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.480 thought. It was only about an inch and a half deep, and it 451 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.640 was only there because it was a low spot and we'd had in the previous 452 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:05.599 couple of days and water settles right there. Of course, I posted a 453 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.640 video of me doing the cast. I posted some before and after I put 454 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.880 a tape measure down. I took some pictures of the tape measure. I 455 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.039 did all the things that you're supposed to do as an investigator, because I'm 456 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:19.720 just documenting and putting the data out there. I posted it on Facebook. 457 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.559 It's gotten like thirty thousand views on our show Facebook page at this point, 458 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:29.400 Paranormal War Productions page on Facebook. And the comments there's probably six or seven 459 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:31.839 hundred comments. Some people are like, awesome, that's great way to go. 460 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.799 I'm glad you cast. It took some pictures, it looks cool, 461 00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.519 whatever. But the haters come out of the woodword man, And I never 462 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:42.519 said it's a big footprint. I literally just said, hey, I found 463 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.279 this weird thing on my property. I'm documenting what I found. It was 464 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.319 more about just showing people a little bit about how to cast, because a 465 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.519 lot of people don't know how to do a cast. I still learn something 466 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.680 every day. I learned from Cliff, I learned from Bobo, people who 467 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.519 have been doing this way longer than me, about how to cast, what 468 00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:02.119 to use. I've used high I've used ultracal, I've used a plane plaster 469 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:07.119 of Paris from Freakin' Low's to try to get the best mixture of what works 470 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.880 and what doesn't. I personally like the hydracal seems to be the best for 471 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.640 me. That's what I've used a couple of times in the last few casts 472 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:16.960 that I've made, and it works for me. Some people might say it's 473 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:21.680 crap. I don't know, but that's what I use and it works for 474 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:25.480 me. But you put that stuff out there and people just literally come out 475 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:30.359 of the woodwork to destroy you. And if I'm not saying anything definitive about 476 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.920 what it is, I have to put a disclaimer on the comments. And 477 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.839 I just finally said, look, if I remove your comment, it's not 478 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:38.880 because I don't like you disagreeing with me. It's just because you're an asshole. 479 00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:43.960 The only thing that makes me take a comment down if it's just unbearably 480 00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:46.559 rude, I'm going to delete your comment because I don't want to read it 481 00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:50.279 and other people shouldn't have to read it. So but I love people to 482 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:52.799 disagree with me. I do don't want to talk to people all the time 483 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:57.400 who agree with me. I think it's important, Like you said, Roger, 484 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.920 I had Roger on the show a couple of it's probably been a couple 485 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.319 of months ago, but I met Roger in the Smoking Mountain Bigfoot conference this 486 00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:08.000 year, I handled the on stage encounter's portion of that show. Roger was 487 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:12.280 one of the people who told his story for the first time on stage that 488 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.840 day at the Smokies, and then I had him on as a follow up 489 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.320 on the show. And when I was at the smokes Roger was telling me 490 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.760 he and his son were there they got to see a guy pulled them aside 491 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.960 and showed them a trail cam picture of a sasquatch they're at the event. 492 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:34.159 Roger said it was amazing. He said, I could see muscle detail, 493 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.639 I could see the veins in this thing's arms where the hair was rubbed. 494 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:42.840 He said, it was probably the most amazing picture that nobody will ever see 495 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.519 because this guy will not let it get out there. It showed him because 496 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.840 he knew Roger. He had followed his stuff online and stuff and trusted him 497 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.599 enough to show him the picture. But I don't know, man, It's 498 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.679 sad that it's like that. But we tend to eat our own in this 499 00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:00.880 business and this bigfoot community for whatever reason, and it's just really sad to 500 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.599 me. I don't want to get out of here because I'm looking through your 501 00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.960 email and I want to make sure we cover everything we talked about Booger Haller. 502 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.920 That's one of the stories I had forgotten because you'd asked about my uncle. 503 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.559 When I was trying to go through things during that time, when is 504 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:19.760 the deputy sheriffs Booger Hallers there when we were hunting at that creek goes down 505 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.519 into Booger Holler and it's big cold Booger Haulers for over one hundred years. 506 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:29.400 And the legend is that a dad and son were crossing the bridge. It 507 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:34.519 was during the thunderstorm and the water got up and the wagon tipped over or 508 00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.559 something. Dad and son died. They say, if you go down there, 509 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.360 you could hear streams, and they say it's the streams of the mother 510 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:45.400 whenever she went down there and found the husband and son dead. There's people 511 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:50.000 that fish down there, there's people that camp down there. There's always been 512 00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.000 spooky stuff. This went all down there. Maybe that's the best way to 513 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.480 say it. But my uncle was sallow. Back in the nineties, there 514 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:58.960 was some guys who went down there was fishing and said they had us. 515 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.960 They had her tents. They had a campfire going and it was late. 516 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:07.840 They were sitting there around the campfire and they had something walking around the campfire. 517 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:15.599 It started growling and then it yelled. Those guys I telled it because 518 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:19.159 whenever they could see from the fire, they couldn't see a figure. All 519 00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:22.840 they could see were red eyes, And to me, it sounds like it 520 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:28.719 was an eye shine from the fire. Those guys get out on just tore 521 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.199 out of there, and I would have too. They come back either the 522 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:37.360 next day or the day after that during daylight, and they got down there 523 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:42.360 and everything was torn to pieces. It was torn to pieces, coolers, 524 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.880 all food, everything was just strong all over the place and just torn to 525 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.239 pieces. Don't know whatever come to that or anything. And that was the 526 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.440 story of my uncles share. It had been prevy till whenever he's worked for 527 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.840 Sherif's farm. It's weird. A lot of that stuff's just weird. There 528 00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:00.480 was some book. It was a guy named Fred Moore that I think you 529 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:05.960 put out two books about the Haunted Us and just different stories about the U. 530 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.320 Rris. Now I can't remember this one in there about the wood Burger, 531 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:14.559 but I know there was several stories in their mountain witches and the lights 532 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:16.559 and things like that. I've heard some of the guys that you've had on 533 00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:23.320 here from the Gumer County talking about I can't remember it was Bobby was one 534 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:29.079 of them from I think the first your first year Bobby Fish or something like 535 00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:31.280 that, and they lived there in Rris and I was asking, Daddy, 536 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:34.599 you know anybody who said, I know some fishes. They said, but 537 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.159 it ain't gonna bring a bell. And then the other guy that you had 538 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.880 on there that does research, but I know he does research. Montgomery and 539 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:46.159 Moore County and I think Randolph County talking about seeing sasquatch, But that's my 540 00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.239 biggest thing. And I don't know that I would. I'd love to see 541 00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.960 one, but i'd love if I saw one. I'd love to see it 542 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.199 from a distance, not up closet while I'm sitting in a tree stand or 543 00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:59.480 something. I had friends in high school that would talk about things that went 544 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.119 on along Long Creek and just scared them to death while they were dear hunting 545 00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:06.320 and stuff they couldn't explain. Like I said, a lot of us just 546 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.480 picking and choosing your battles, when it just seems like people that spend more 547 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:15.719 time outdoors see more things or experience more things, whether it's deer hunters, 548 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:20.239 hunters you rabbit hunter hunt or even hiking, but if you're not out there 549 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:22.559 and you're not looking, you're not going to sign anything. And that's the 550 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.559 reason I didn't really had to put anything on Facebook about the possible footprints, 551 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.360 because I was like, you, we've got some bear around here. You 552 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.440 don't see them a lot. But if it was a double step, the 553 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:36.400 only we would have found that out would have been able to do a cast 554 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.159 to see if there was another impression on top of that one. And then 555 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:44.719 those the trees that pushed over trees that I found last year. I went 556 00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.400 into Dating four to go check on the tree stands and everything, and seeing 557 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:51.039 them didn't get pictures that day, I was like, maybe I should get 558 00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.519 pictures on the way back out that first day, and I did, and 559 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:59.480 there's no dead fall around them. There's nothing around them. Do I know 560 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:05.960 that's what it was, But it's peculiar because you've got mixed hard woods and 561 00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:09.719 pines and everything in there. So if it would have been windfall, that 562 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:15.280 would have been more things down than just those two. I think they were 563 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:19.280 making trees five or six foot up where they were broke off, but I 564 00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.079 haven't put that out there because I just part of the reason. I just 565 00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.079 suber you're crazy. You're seeing something you're not, so I don't know, 566 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:30.760 it's just peculiar. So everything's data, man. I say it all the 567 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.199 time, no matter how minute you think it is or how small you think 568 00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.440 it is. I think it's important that people get to see it. And 569 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.079 just like the stories, man, I love the old stories that have been 570 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:44.199 told throughout your family's history. I think it's really cool that they passed that 571 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.079 on to you, and you're able to pass it on to other people like 572 00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:50.400 me in the area who are interested in it and maybe even experience some of 573 00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.360 the same stuff. So I really appreciate you coming on and sharing all that 574 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.559 with us. Man. Oh, gotcha. I appreciate it, Brian, 575 00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:59.280 because that's a big thing. I'm just trying to find some answers. I'd 576 00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.480 love to see one. I'll go back and forth whether they exist, and 577 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:06.960 I'm not going to say they don't exist because there's too much evidence out there 578 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.800 and say there's not something there. I guess just bring some closure to it 579 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:14.159 and they say see and believe in I guess that's the best way to say 580 00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:16.199 it as far as that goes. And I could go out this fall and 581 00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:20.920 see if I go hunting mom and dads or here in one whenever I'm there. 582 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:22.079 If you do, you got to come back here and tell us about 583 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.760 it. I will, I'll let you know. I'll let you know if 584 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:28.840 I see anything while I'm there, and I'll certainly share that with you. 585 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:38.800 They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. I 586 00:40:38.960 --> 00:41:09.599 don't want to be happens chart this chart, that chart everything. Call me 587 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:15.559 r, get back, cricket back Joy for me, Joy, stay right, 588 00:41:17.719 --> 00:42:31.920 you come it right away? Still step down, doss stasssssssss