You're listening to the Mind Over Murder podcast. My name is Bill Thomas.
I'm a writer, consulting, producer, and now podcaster. I am now
trying to use my experience as the brother of a murder victim to help other
victims of violent crime. I'm working on a book on the unsolved Colonial Parkway
murders, and I'm the co administrator of the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook group together
with Kristin Dilly. My name is Kristin Dilly. I'm a writer, a
researcher, a teacher, and a victim's advocate, as well as the social
media manager and co administrator for the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with my partner
in crime, Bill Thomas. Welcome to Mind Ever Murder. I'm Kristin Dilly
and I'm Bill Thomas, and we are recording in the same room. This
is unheard of, this is crazy. For the first time in sixteen months,
we are recording in the exact same space. We're not even six feet
apart. In case you're worried about our health, we're both vaccinated, so
it's all good. We're good. You know something. I was doing some
calculation this morning. Kristen Billy, And this is actually more like eighteen months
because we recorded our first episodes of Mind Over Murder face to face in your
kitchen, yes, in December twenty nineteen. Oh my gosh, doesn't that
sound like a long time ago? It does. It feels like a long
time ago. But we're here in the beautiful Maple House in Norfolk, Connecticut,
which is Bill and his partner Pamela's lovely bed and breakfast, and it
is gorgeous. And I am up here for the week with my boyfriend Mark,
and we've stayed with Bill and Pamela and it is fantastic and it's lovely
and we're having a blast, and we're recording face to face right here in
the library. It's very exciting. I had to go around and set up
cables, but I was really excited. And we turned off the fan to
reduce background noise. So it's nice and toasty. I would say it's toasting,
Yeah, it's I'm wondering if the quality is going to be any different
because we're not going to have Zoom occasionally, fritzyne One or the other of
us. I'll bet it's going to be better. It's going to be better
Yeah, it's very exciting. We just were trying to figure out can we
get through this without too much insanity? Probably not, because it's also nine
fourteen in the evening. We're just now getting started after a day of insanity
and revel ry. You and Mark had some touristy stuff to do today,
we did. We had too risky stuff to do today, and we have
to risky stuff to do tomorrow. And it's been very nice to actually like
record face to face, and we've got all sorts of great stuff coming down
the pike for the rest of y'all. So, and without giving away any
of your plans, I think our listeners who are in the Boston area we'll
be hearing this later. So this is no help at all. Right,
if you thought you saw Kristin Dilly in the Boston area, you might have
actually seen her. I'm not going to Boston. I'm going to Salem.
It's true. That is true, and conquered, conquered. These two are
big history bots, so they're going to go do some hysterical stuff. Some
hysterical stuff. Yeah, that's what it's referred to in New England as hysterical
New England stuff. This is also where you going as I am in eleventh
grade American history teacher, and I teach the Cruci Bowl, which is all
about the Salem which trials, and I teach the trans and Dentalists. So
we are going to the House of Seven Gables, and we're going to Orchard
House, and we're going to Walden Pond, and we're going to every place
in Salem that is cool. And we're going to Henry David, the Rose
Cabin and rough Waldo Emerson's house. So, yeah, great stuff. Will
they be there? I don't think so, not unless I bring Auiji board
in spirit. Possibly in spirit. That's right. We actually have had some
great times discussing alternate hysterical events too. Yes, I'm sorry, those are
historical events, including Bigfoot. Yes, UFOs. What are those fireball things
called? Again? Will of the Wisps? I never even knew this.
I've learned stuff this time. You can tell when you're hanging out with a
teacher when you learn useful new expressions like will of the wisps, Will of
the wisps. Yes, So we're going to have a blast, and it's
been really nice being here the last couple of days. That yeahs Bill pointed
out, it's been like eighteen months since we've recorded in person. Yeah,
and this is momentous for us. It is. It is before this whole
COVID thing. Our original plan was that we were going to record more of
these podcasts face to face. Ye, and we were even going to meet
in the middle. And we will be able to do some of those things
now in the future. Yes, we hope, and we did. We
had all of these plans, all of these people up and down the East
Coast, that we were going to go and take our little setup to them
and we were going to record with them, like originally we're going to go
to Ocean City and hang out with Jim Oskins for a little time. That's
right. I think she'd still let us if we asked her, she would
still let right, Gemma, you would let us write, she would,
she would wonderful. Yeah, but of course we had Gemma on the podcast
earlier this year, but we could do round two at her beachside house.
Yes, so this is great. We're very excited. We've been thinking about
what new information we can provide y'all with as we are sitting here and talking
and thinking our thoughts and ruminating on the case as we do, it occurred
to us that we have learned a lot of new information in the last couple
of weeks. For people who've worked on the same case for as long as
we have, you would think that maybe you've learned all there is to know.
No, the Colonial Parkway murders is one of those cases that just goes
on and on, and we learned new things in the last few weeks,
and we actually wanted to recap some of the things that we've learned or maybe
think we've learned in the last few weeks. Absolutely most of what we learned,
I would say, have come from two of our guests in particular,
and so we do want to give a shout out to Jeannette Santiago and to
Judy Nobling for taking the time to talk with us over what we know is
a very difficult subject and to provide us with some new pieces of information to
chew on. Both women I think did an extraordinary job, and a number
of people commented on how terrific they were. But also, and you can
hear it in the podcast if you listen carefully, it was a difficult interview
the two of us for both tearing up at different times. And I'm not
saying that never happens, but listening to these two amazing women describe what happened
to their loved ones and the aftermath and their observations, and then we were
receiving information that we'd never heard before. It was difficult in spots especially,
and most importantly for them, and we really appreciate the fact that they were
willing to do this. We do try to inject some lighter moments so that
it's not just incredibly heavy for forty five minutes, so it feels like an
onslaught, But at the same time, you're talking about unsolved murders and beautiful
young people that we lost, and there were some tough moments, and I
have to thank both of them for their ability to get through it and to
inform all of us as listeners, know what that feels like, what that
experience is like. As you know very well, Bill, it never really
goes away. It's the grief and the loss and everything is right there.
You can really hear it in Jennette's voice and in Judy's voice as well,
So it is extraordinarily brave of them to take the time to talk to us,
and we do thank them very much for that. You're listening to Mind
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back here at mindover Murder. So what are some of the things that we
think we've learned now from the last couple of weeks before we move on with
further exploration of the Colonial Parkway murders. What are some of the things that
were our takeaways. I think we learned a certain amount about relationships between the
various parties involved in David and Robin's murder. I was surprised, and maybe
I shouldn't have. If I'd really been thinking about it in terms of age
range, maybe I wouldn't have been surprised. I was just surprised to learn,
for example, that Jeanette went to elementary school with David Knoblin. In
all the years we've been exploring this case, meeting with these families, I
never knew that. I had always thought that there was little to no connection
between the Edwards family and the Nobbling family, and apparently that's wrong. They
actually did know each other, and those two people, Jeanette and David went
to school together. And of course we heard that funny slightly mischievous. I
was gonna say off color. I don't know if it's quite that strong.
Mischievous is a kid, Yeah, but funny story about David in elementary school
picking up the girls' dresses when they were hing a movie. I can picture
the lights going down and them getting the movie started, and then there's some
goofball kid sliding around on the floor. Yeah, as a teacher, you
could pretty much expect that. Yeah. Absolutely. Now, of course there
would be a whole lot more in terms of lawsuits and liabilities to go along
with it, but yeah, there's always some kid who's going to try that.
Yeah. Learning that there was that connection between the two families, I
had no idea. I know that surprised me, and I'm pretty sure it
surprised you as well. Yeah, I had never heard that before. So
it's interesting that these issues come out on a more serious note. Both women,
Jeanette first and then Judy last week, made an interesting observation. They
both feel strongly, yes, that the murder of Robin Edwards and David Nobling
is not related to the other Colonial Parkway murders. And I think that is
something and between the two of us when we kick around which cases we think
might eventually end up off the table in terms of cases that are related to
each other, I feel like the Edwards Nobelin case is the one that we've
always felt maybe had the least connection to all of the others. I think
I was a little surprised to hear it from both of them, But at
the same time, it was also like, I can see that now I'm
making a little bit of a sour lemon face, understanding that to the podcast,
a podcast is an audio experience, So let me explain the sour lemon
face. Personally, I think case number four, which we'll be exploring in
the coming weeks, Phelps Lower, that's the one that happened on Interstate sixty
four Anna Maria Phelps and Daniel Lower, who disappeared over Liberty Weekend nineteen eighty
nine. That's the one, from my point of view, that feels the
least liked the other so called Colonial Parkway murders. So I don't know.
I am still far from convinced that all four of these double homicides are related.
The more things we learn, the more I'm convinced that some of these
murders are absolutely not related to the others. You can make a case that
Edward's noveling is something else, and we'll get into some of the possibilities over
the next few minutes. It's interesting that both of our guests over the last
few weeks felt so strongly that their loved ones murder is not related to the
other murders in the so called Colonial Parkway murders. Both of them basically said,
we think it was a wrong place, wrong time sort of scenario.
Just they were in a place where they should not have been, at a
time when they should not have been, and they witnessed something. And I
gonna guess maybe it'd drug Deale that they don't necessarily think that they were involved
with right Funny. Both women also said Dennette and Judy said that they had
no family or personal connection to this place, the Ragged Island Wildlife sometimes we
say refuge. It was called the Refuge back then. Now they seem to
refer to it as the management area, so it's Ragged Island Wildlife Management Area.
I don't know why either changed the name over the thirty years, but
they didn't seem to have a connection to that place and didn't know that Robin
or David ever went there. As we've discussed on the podcast before, it
has a reputation. At parking lot next to the James River Bridge on the
Ragged Island side has a reputation as a place for low level drug deals and
hookups gay and straight, and does to this day. It did thirty four
years ago and it does now. I don't know if Robin and David had
been there before. As we've talked about, if you wanted to make a
low level drug deal in the late nineteen eighties, there's no cell phone,
there's no internet, pick up your iPhone to make an appointment to meet your
drug dealer to buy some pot. You go to the place where the pot
dealers are and you score whatever you're looking to buy. I'm not accusing either
one of our guests of being naive, they seem far from it. But
I'm going to make a personal observation here. I think there are only two
reasons to drive the four and a half miles across the river from the Newport
News side to the very quiet especially at that time thirty plus years ago.
I think you either go there for a low level drug deal or a hook
a place to have sex and romance. I don't know if I'm missing anything
else. No, I don't think you are. And we'd actually had an
interesting discussion, you and I the other day, and it probably speaks to
my own naivete because you immediately knew an answer that I did not. And
I said, why would you go over to Ragged Island when there's plenty of
places in a Hampton or Newport News where you could probably score pot? Oh?
Sure? And do you remember what you told me? I don't remember
exactly what did I say. You had said that it was probably easier to
get out of the jurisdiction of Newport News, which was probably a bit more
heavily patrolled, and over to Isle of Wight, where it would not have
been as heavily patrolled, which is not something that would have occurred to me.
Maybe you should have That was an immediate answer, so clearly it was
I figured it was something you'd given some thought to. On the more populated
side of the river, which is where Robin and David are from. They're
from the Hampton Roads Newport News side of things. That's where the shipyard is,
that's where the city is, that's where the industry is. There are
police forces that are pretty substantial. Even thirty years ago, your chances of
running into problems with Johnny Law while looking to buy some pot, I think
are significantly higher. Driving four and a half miles across the bridge, there's
no toll. You then are on the far side of the river, the
James River, and you're now in Isle of Wight, which has a much
smaller police force. And these areas, although they're patrolled, are more lightly
patrolled. You could pretty much go there conduct some discreet business. Was I
think an expression you used recently when we were discussing this, yep, make
your deal, buy some pot or whatever, and then leave. It's always
a little bit of a delicate discussion to be had because we don't want to
make it sound like we are accusing anybody of bad behavior. It always felt
a little weird to me, going, oh, clearly they were over there
for a drug deal, because you can't assume that they were. But we
did learn from Judy Nobling that she had found a roach in David's truck.
And for those people who may not be familiar with the term bill, can
you explain this would be a leftover marijuana cigarette, the butt end of a
marijuana cigarette which many people will save and smoke later. I've said all along
regarding the Colonial Parkway murders. I don't think we're ever implying anything when we
talk about what potentially took our victims to these locations. Look, these are
young people doing young people things, and the idea that teenagers are going to
go to isolated places engage in romantic or sexual behavior, maybe drink beer or
smoke pot. These are not shocking revelations, whether we're talking about last week
or thirty something years ago. It was very interesting to the two of us
that Judy said, when she was looking in her son David's truck, she
found a marijuana cigarette. She also told us that she found a marijuana cigarette,
she took it, did not tell the police about it, Yeah,
and has never told them to this day. Again, I don't think it's
shocking that there was a roach in the ashtray of his Ford Ranger pickup,
right, And I think Judy was making the decision she felt was right at
the time. Sure, absolutely, And remember she probably found the roach before
they'd found the bodies. It probably didn't occur to her later to say,
oh, by the way, I found marijuana in his ashtray. It is
interesting now in retrospect, and we're certainly not trying to criticize anyone, particularly
a grieving mother, no less on decisions that she made nearly thirty four years
ago. They probably were smoking marijuana that evening. It does solidify to us
a reason why they might have been at Ragged Island in a way that it
hasn't. We've only been able to speculate before beforehand we've been we don't know
that David or Robin we're smoking pot. Now we do have some evidence that
at least David was sure, and so I feel like that kind of solidified
a little bit of thinking for both of us. There. Okay, this
now is a very clear reason why they might have been a Ragged Island.
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our sponsors. We're back here at mindover Murder. Judy also made a number
of interesting observations, as did Jeannette. Judy had said that if she used
the word staged or not, I don't think she might have used that word,
but I think she said set up. The truck felt like a setup,
and she said the way the clothes were on the center console and his
wallet up on the dashboard. She, like her son Michael, has made
observations that are quite similar. She said that the truck was found in such
disarray and oddly parked with the nosey, and as we've talked about before,
where David was always in the habit of parking his truck nose out, and
the shoes on the floor which turned out to be Robin's sneakers. She said,
all of these things were so out of character for how David would have
left his truck. Yes, exactly. Now, we did spend quite a
bit of time discussing run Little and Liberty Security, and as we have stated
before and will continue to state, we are not implying nor should you infer,
that Ron Little had any involvement with these murders. He did put himself
in the middle of the investigation, but we are not saying that he deserved
to be there. We're just presenting the facts to you. So we did,
of course feel like we needed to ask Janette about her opinion with regard
to Ron Little and Liberty Security because her mother, Bonnie, did work for
Liberty Secure Security, which we mentioned in our previous podcast. Episodes about Liberty,
and it was interesting a little bit of insider information on how we come
up with our questions. Bill and I come up with our questions ahead of
time. We don't work off of a script, but we're not shooting from
the hip either. But that wasn't a question that I had planned on asking
Jeanette. I didn't have it in my notes. It occurred to me as
we were headed toward the end there. I was like, let me just
ask her about Liberty Security. And I was glad that I did, because
we did get some acknowledgment from Jeanette that even though yeah, her mom,
Bonnie did work for Liberty, she does not think that they had anything to
do with Robin's murder. Was that a surprising response to you? It was
an interesting response. It makes me want to talk to Bonnie mm hmm,
Yeah, Robin's mom, whom we've spoken to before off air and who participated
in the Lover's Lane Murders television series. It makes me want to circle back
with Bonnie if she's willing to explore that a little bit further, particularly since
you and I have received tips in the last few months that steered us back
towards Ron Little and new information regarding Ron Little. There's still people I need
to follow up with, even as I speak tonight, that have provided us
with information that I need to run to ground before I turn it over to
the FBI. It probably makes me want to go back and ask Bonnie,
Robin's mom more about this information. And obviously the closer we can get to
this source, sure, the better off we are. Janette can obviously offer
a number of observations that she herself was there for or she lived in the
example of the Ron Little liberty security, Bonnie Edwards' questions. I think it
would be great to get back with Bonnie. So that's definitely on our to
do list. Something else that had come up. I'd heard observations about this,
but now we're getting two slightly different stories. Are asking people to remember
things that happened thirty four years ago, and some of this is through the
haze of grief. Both women seem to recall that Robin Edwards had run away.
Jeanette told a story which we had not heard before, which is that
Robin had run away and blam. Pardo covers some of this material in his
book with his daughter Victoria Hester regarding Robin running away and being gone for what
sounds like a couple of weeks. Yeah, and I think Robin may have
been in a situation where she was being taken advantage of by some older men
who were in their twenties. And she's quite young, and of course she's
behaving like someone who's much older than fourteen. It's quite inappropriate in terms of
the way I think these men treated her. But we had never heard this
part of the story, which is that her mom, Bonnie, went on
television Janet's recollect a Wavy, which is one of the three television stations in
town, and had begged Robin to return to come home, that she was
missed. They were not getting a lot of support or cooperation from the Newport
News Police department. Her mom went on local television and begged her to come
home, and Robin was there at this apartment with these men and another young
woman. It appears that entreaty from her mom was enough to get Robin to
say to her friend, they really do miss us, perhaps we should go
home, and they did. I'd never heard that story before. Now neither
had I, and we did get every once in a while, we will
get some information and we're like, Okay, probably we need to fact check
that just to see, just to make sure that we're not in the wrong
on any of this. We did hear from Judy that she understood that Robin
had been in like a half way house kind of situation prior to her I
don't remember Janette mentioning that, so I think that's something that we should definitely
circle back around with her about. But that was an interesting and it was
almost an offhand comment from her. It was, I don't know if Judy's
got our facts completely nailed down. Remember that Robin is not her daughter.
Yeah, that's Judy's recollection, So it'll be really interesting to see if that's
factually accurate. It's possible we may be blending through the haze of time those
two events, and perhaps Robin's running away is being remembered slightly differently. It
could be by Judy, who obviously didn't live that. There is certainly a
good amount of new information, both small in scale but also bigger too,
that we've gleaned from these two most recent interviews with Jeanette and Judy. Because
Bill and I are who we are, we spend a lot of time talking
to each other and ruminating and going but what do you think it all mean?
That is something that we do every time we finish with an interview.
We sit, we talk, we digest a little bit. Then we call
each other the next day and say, hey, you know what I was
thinking about? Yeah? Put it all over again. Yeah, So this
is These are the things that we ruminate about. If you ever want a
little behind the scenes about what goes on it mind over murdered. This is
it. We interview, we talked, we think about it each other and
it just continues. Something else that we both talked about and we don't know
if you'll say yes. One of the things that we'd like to do is
reach out to Karl Nobling. Yeah, David's father, and Carl and Judy
were divorced and rather estranged by this point. Interestingly, despite the fact that
the marriage did not end happily, I was surprised that they haven't ever discussed
it much. Since Carl is a very direct and plain spoken guy. I've
spoken to him before over the phone, I've never met him in person.
Now. He did do a very good series of interviews for The Lover's Lane
Murders and told the story about how he had discovered David's body. Some of
it's obviously very difficult for him to talk about. Listening to Judy tell her
kind of half of the story, it made me think, let's at least
try to get back with Carl and see if mister Knobling might be willing to
talk with us. And really, more than anything else, what resonates with
me again and again, and it's not just with Jeannette and Judy but with
all of the families, is just how many residual effects there are from the
murders of two people. The ripples spread out. You've used the expression before
you toss a stone and a pond, and the ripples just continue outward.
I would say some of the more difficult moments for both of us during those
interviews, especially with Judy's, was hearing the really through the awful side effects
that came with David's murder. She described Michael beginning to use drugs yes Hope,
She discussed her own suicide attempt. It's heartbreaking to hear this, and
it really for me, it very much is a reminder that one act of
violence, it just ripples and in some cases thunders through a family, and
it just causes additional grief after grief. Neither of us had any idea about
Judy's suicide attempt. I know I didn't, certainly I don't think you did
either. No. I was so shocked and surprised by that, and then
of course I thought about it quite a bit later, and we talked about
it later. And here's a mom to two young children, David and Michael.
Obviously we know people that have found themselves in that very dark place where
the only option to those individuals, including friends of ours, had been to
take their own life or attempt to. And when you get to that very
dark place and it seems like the choice that you make to end the pain
is to end your own life. I was thinking, here's a woman who
is going to be leaving a son behind her son, Michael, And just
how much darkness and despair could she possibly be dealing with at that point that
she would consider taking that drastic step. It's just a very striking moment.
I think you can tell from listening to that interview last week, both of
us were just completely taken aback. And I'm so glad that she didn't make
that terrible decision. Although she also makes it clear that it doesn't like her
life is all sweetness and light or anything like that. At the same time,
we got into a fantastic conversation about Michael, who's someone that we've both
met and we like him very much and admire him and his turning his own
life around. Here's a guy that really reveal his older brother. This is
a loss beyond any kind of calculus. It's just incredible how much this family
has suffered. And yet Michael comes out of this situation. And she thanked
the drug Court. I was very struck by that, And she said,
with the help of the drug court, he was able to turn his life
around, and he's married and has a family, and he's a fantastic guy.
Does he have his own struggles and dark moments. I'm sure he does.
At the same time, I'm so glad that they were able to come
through this incredibly dark time, this time of great loss, and come out
with something approaching a sense of hope and light and some degree of peace.
Sure, Michael is very much still in thrall to his older brother. You
can tell he really still idolizes David, and perhaps all of us tend to
lionize the ones we've lost. I know I certainly do that with my sister
Cat. She'd probably clap me outside the head and say, don't make me
out to be something I wasn't. But listening to Judy's story and listening to
Jeanette's recollection of their experiences, it's very striking just how profound their loss has
been. And it does just have to make it all that much more painful
knowing that there has been this awful loss and that there is still no answer.
Clearly you can speak to this a whole lot more than I can.
It's got to be awful knowing that you have to deal with this loss of
this amazing person in your life. But then it's compounded by the fact that
you know that the person who did this is out there still not paying for
it. I've said it before and I'll say it here again. I don't
know how you all move forward one day at a time. I don't know
that I could. Well I can tell you is you don't have a choice.
You just keep moving forward. This is one of those things. It's
like an immovable block of stone in your life and you just have to work
your way around it and just keep going. You have no other choice.
One of the things that was very interesting to me when we started talking about
next steps with both women, and I asked Janette and then Judy the next
week about potential for advance forensic testing. And we're really pushing the FBI to
conduct advance forensic testing in the FBI cases. We also intend to try to
amp up the pressure on our friends at the Virginia State Police to conduct a
top to bottom review of all of the available evidence. There's so much more
capability in terms of forensic testing, using much less DNA, consuming less of
available samples, being able to handle DNA that's cross contaminated that's badly broken down
because it's thirty to thirty four years old. We get the challenges that the
crime labs are facing, yet there have been significant developments and speaking frankly,
the private labs are ahead of many of the public labs, the law enforcement
labs in terms of this capability, and we're really going to continue to push
our law enforcement partners to test and retest evidence. Now there is DNA evidence
in the Edwards Nobling case, as we understand it, it's pretty badly degraded.
It's coming up in thirty four years old. The two bodies were exposed
to water and likely seawater there heading out towards the ocean, so there's some
salt there and the bodies weren't found for three days. Our understanding is that
there may be testable DNA there. It has been tested in the past.
Those tests were not conclusive. We understand that was the best shot we had
at the time. It was very interesting that both of our guests said they
would very much like to see additional testing done. And then I just tossed
out a theoretical one that I've talked to law enforcement about is there may be
very little DNA evidence left. Some tests do consume DNA. I asked the
theoretical question a bot Jenette and Judy, if the testing consumed the last bit
of DNA available, would you be comfortable with that? I was very struck
by the fact that both women said yes, absolutely, yes, What are
we waiting for? I was struck by that too. At least at that
point you would know where you stand. You would know, Okay, we
have done absolutely everything that we can do, and we didn't have an answer.
That's something we have to live with or we've done everything we can.
We tossed a Hail Mary pass. It worked. Check out this awesome breakthrough.
We got the guy boom. We have answers, we have justice.
But either way, at least you know where you stand. This way,
it's got to be just this endless, awful cycle of wondering. Are they
going to test it? Is there enough there to test? Is the technology
ever going to be okay? When are we going to get answers? That
has to be awful. That's like purgatory. I can't imagine what it must
be like to live with that. I don't know if that's the same experience
you have had. Knowing that there is still evidence from Kathy and Becky's case,
they can be tested. But that's got to be the worst kind of
limbo. I think that's a good characterization. There are sixteen parents of eight
victims in the Colonial Parkway murders. Now, whether these cases are related or
not, I don't know. I'll be honest as always and openly skeptical.
I'm not sure these murders aren't necessarily all related. While we've been waiting thirty
to thirty four years, we've lost eight of the sixteen parents in this case,
these people died, parents died waiting for answers. In this case,
other people's parents are gone now. Both flowers mister and missus lower are gone.
The calls, both the calls mister and missus call are gone. My
parents are gone. My dad would probably want to say doctor Thomas because he
got u PhD later, But no disrespect dad. We've lost half the parents
waiting for answers. Yeah. Both Judy and Jeanette had similar responses, which
is what are we waiting for? Yeah? Take the hail Mary, Yeah,
take the hill Mary. I'll take the hail Mary pass any day.
So far, I've talked to a lot of the family members, and we'll
continue asking this question as we move forward. Most everybody has said the exact
same thing, and nobody has ever pushed back and said, oh, let's
wait a few more years, Yeah, to see if we get answers.
The science has gotten better and better. Let's take our best shot. That
limbo, that feeling of when is somebody going to get around to this?
Somebody going to decide, As somebody posted on our Facebook page the other day,
test the GD evidence in all caps. Actually a couple of people have
posted them before I can understand that observation test the evidence, because then at
least you have these families at a place where they're like, Okay, we
have an answer. It's not the answer that we want. There is no
more DNA, but at least it's an answer. You can shut down that
particular avenue and go Okay, the case isn't going to be solved through DNA.
What else do we got? Said? On that note, we'll let
you know that we're going to be continuing to explore the Colonial Parkway murders in
the coming weeks, as well as getting into other issues, other cases and
other questions. Will be continuing to return to this case and asking these questions
until we get the answers that we seek, absolutely as we should. That's
going to wrap it up for this episode of mind Over Murder Live edition of
mind Over Murder Live from the Maple House. Thank you so much for listening.
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