1 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,960 What is cracklack and felt the Manu piter A efforts. I am Dan Valley 2 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,719 coming at you with a super brief intro. Grant and I are going to 3 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,559 talk about trades for some of the most disappointing teams in the league thus far, 4 00:00:28,199 --> 00:00:32,119 and then we'll do some more good old stat padding. That'll be this 5 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,439 episode. We'll get into more of I know the Calves are dealing with injuries 6 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,359 to Garland and Mobi. The Sun's just kind out that the Bradley Beal's gonna 7 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:42,520 miss a few weeks with a with an ankle injury. We'll dive into more 8 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,960 of that stuff. I think you guys are gonna get four full episodes this 9 00:00:46,119 --> 00:00:49,960 week, so I mean you're welcome in advance or I'm sorry, I don't 10 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,399 really know which one to say about that. So we will get into more 11 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:56,200 of those details. We won't ignore them. But we recorded this episode already, 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,799 it's still pretty evergreen, and so we will dive deeper to the Suns, 13 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,120 the Cavs, other teams, some of little more topical stuff later this 14 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:07,439 week. Until then, though, enjoy this conversation about trades and just a 15 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:12,280 bunch of fun stat pending questions with the certified fantabulous mister Grant Hughes, and 16 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:19,319 I what is krak alac in, Fellow thermonuclear affers, I am Dan Favalley 17 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,719 coming at you with my certified fantabulous thermonuclear AF co host, mister Grant Hughes. 18 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,760 We're keeping in theme with trade season being up and running, and so 19 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,400 we figured we'd do something that was a little bit ever green unless any of 20 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:34,680 these players get moved. I'm going to propose some deals to Grant hypothetical trades 21 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:38,599 that involve the most disappointing teams this season that if either just been worse than 22 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,959 expected, missing expectations completely, and we're gonna see if he likes them whether 23 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,040 he would do them. They include a whole bunch of teams. They range 24 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:49,040 from the really bad teams to are we trying to fix teams that are trying 25 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,480 to make themselves contenders. They run the gamut and there is five of them, 26 00:01:53,519 --> 00:01:57,319 maybe with some bonus ones caked in. But first, please remember to 27 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:00,680 subscribe wherever you consume us YouTube. Hit the sub button, like comment on 28 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,040 our videos, Subscribe on Apple, Spotify, Stitch, or Google wherever you 29 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:07,879 get your podcasts. 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I'm mostly really excited that you came up with all 39 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:40,639 the trades because I think, as I've said on here, and as you 40 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,360 know, personally, I hate making up trades. I'm bad at it. 41 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,919 So you're good at it, and I will I will embrace. I'm not 42 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,639 gonna just dump on all these trades and say no one would do them, 43 00:02:52,719 --> 00:02:54,360 which is why I'm bad at making up trades, because I can never convince 44 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,960 myself that both teams would do it. So I'm exact since we're framing it 45 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,439 as disappointing team, I know a lot of people have been upset about Milwaukee's 46 00:03:01,439 --> 00:03:05,000 defense. They're just too good for me to be disappointed, so they are 47 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:07,719 not here. And I also do not have a Clippers subsequent trade because they've 48 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:10,960 been a lot better over their past ten to twelve games or so. So 49 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,840 keep that in mind. And some of these trades includes multiple disappointing teams. 50 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:23,039 It's not just one headliner. So the out right, let's take let's let's 51 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:25,240 just trade our problems with one another. We're both disappointing teams. Let's you 52 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,840 take some of mine, I'll take some of yours. Yeah, That's what 53 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,840 I'm talking about. So are you ready for trade number one? Yes? 54 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:38,479 We are going to travel to Memphis for this one. In Chicago, okay, 55 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:45,879 Grant Hughes who says no. The Memphis Grizzlies receive Andre Drummond. The 56 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:51,280 Chicago Bulls receive John Conchar, a twenty six, twenty twenty six second round 57 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:57,199 pick, and a twenty thirty second round pick. Hmmm, I guess I 58 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,319 think I like that most for Thelies because we've talked before about how just another 59 00:04:02,599 --> 00:04:09,400 like you know, paint protecting, like just like getting some size in there 60 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:12,800 at center would be helpful. So I guess if I like it for the 61 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,439 Grizzlies, it's the bulls that are saying no. But I kind of like 62 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,959 getting conchar and some like why wouldn't you get rid of Drummond if you're gonna 63 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,319 tear Well, maybe the answer is the bulls are not going to tear it 64 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,560 down. But if you're gonna tear it down, like, why not just 65 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,319 get a couple of picks back? And Conchar is a, yeah, it's 66 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:29,120 like a has been a rotation player. I think I like it for both. 67 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,519 But if someone's saying no, I guess it's the bulls because they're irrational 68 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:38,079 and they won't operate this way. There's also the you know, if you're 69 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:41,720 the bulls. John conchar is about to start a three year, nineteen million 70 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,920 dollar extension next year. Do you think he's good enough to warrant that you 71 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,360 could certainly use the idea of his shooting. If you're gonna actually go into 72 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,240 a rebuild, why not get two second round picks? Though? For Andre 73 00:04:51,319 --> 00:04:55,279 Drummond, who's just gonna be a free agent after this season. Yeah, 74 00:04:55,519 --> 00:04:58,600 I mean that's not a big number at all, really, But like Contar 75 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,319 shot forty one point three percent two years ago from three, and he's in 76 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,199 the thirty threes the last two years. So maybe for the Bulls, you're 77 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,399 like, I'm not sure what he's given us that, you know, several 78 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:13,560 other guys on the roster aren't. But again, just if you're if you're 79 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,480 the Bulls, and again, if you are the Bulls, you're probably not 80 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:20,079 thinking this way what you said two seconds right? Yeah, so the twenty 81 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,839 six second round er is not Memphis his own, Uh, it is coming 82 00:05:24,879 --> 00:05:29,360 from what it is, Boston, Indiana, the Clippers, or Miami. 83 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,199 Okay, So I mean still you're getting a couple draft ass like Drummond is 84 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,800 not part of the well, I don't know what he's not part of the 85 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:41,879 Bulls like big picture plan if there is one, so part of Memphis's bigger 86 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,199 plan. Just what did Steven Adams look like when he comes back next year? 87 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,399 He's the final year left on his contract for Memphis. Though I also 88 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,160 viewed this as yeah, this season, you know that Steven Adams, you 89 00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:54,160 don't have Brandon Clark, Andre Drummond helps there, especially on the offensive class. 90 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:57,360 But get out of John contrast cont Yeah, that's why you're worth to 91 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,040 dump two second round picks. Right, you're trimming, you're shrimming the salary 92 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,000 of I don't know you could give somebody like I mean, it's like pretty 93 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,360 well short of mid level money, but you know, taxpayer exception money is 94 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:12,680 not that far off of that. Okay, this was the least spicy trade 95 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,240 of the five. I wanted to weed out the people who aren't gonna sit 96 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:20,759 through the entire podcast. Trade number two we have the Bulls again joined by 97 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:26,600 a fellow disappointing team in the Toronto Raptors. Okay, now, I don't 98 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:30,720 necessarily endorse this direction by the Raptors, but if they decided, hey, 99 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:33,839 we don't want to rebuild, we want to keep Scottie Barnes and win, 100 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:39,399 right now, this is the deal. The Chicago Bulls receive Precious Achuwa, 101 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:46,240 Chris Bouchet, Grady Dick, Gary Trent Junior, a twenty twenty six first 102 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,560 round pick loosely protected let's say top eight. It would have to convey immediately, 103 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,680 so let's even say you could say unprotected, and then a twenty twenty 104 00:06:53,720 --> 00:07:00,120 eight first round pick with top eight protections. The Raptors receive zach Lavine and 105 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:02,279 Terry Taylor to just help the money and the roster spot crunch work. So 106 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,839 to recap the Bulls get at Chua expiring, Chris Bruschet I think has another 107 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:11,600 year left on his deal after this one, Grady Dick, Gary Trent Junior 108 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,199 expiring two first round picks six and one in twenty eight, both coming from 109 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:23,519 Toronto for Zach Lavine. Basically, I think if I'm the Bulls, I'm 110 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:29,160 not sure I can do better pickwise, Like maybe someone out there is gonna 111 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,360 give me three firsts, but maybe not for Levine. I mean, like 112 00:07:31,399 --> 00:07:34,759 I just don't know. And then also look at it as does Grady Dick 113 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:39,639 still count as a first round right? Yeah? And I mean like Trent 114 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,439 is, well, he's gonna be a free agent, so you might just 115 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,279 he is not he's not being good this year. Yeah, and you might 116 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:49,519 just not. You know, you don't have any control really over him going 117 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:56,000 forward. So it's just it really is like does does clearing money getting Grady 118 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,000 Dick and two firsts? Is that the best I can do for Levine? 119 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,759 Because I think that's the that I have questions about. If if you are 120 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,079 Toronto and you're gonna keep the gang together, I think Levine makes sense as 121 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,600 just someone that's gonna make threes and be an offensive creator and that you can 122 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,759 hide with any of your like three awesome defensive wings slash forwards. So yeah, 123 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,439 that's a good I don't know. I guess if it's a who says 124 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:26,839 no. I think it's maybe Chicago, just just on the thinking that they 125 00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:31,439 might be able to get like it's I guess it's hard for me to believe 126 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,159 that that's the best offer. It's a good offer, but I wonder if 127 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,320 you might be able to get three firsts. I will say, so you 128 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,759 just prefer the mystery box idea of give me three outright first rather than Grady 129 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:46,720 Dick in two first. This is also I look at this package the flyer 130 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:50,080 on a Chua. Maybe he rebounds there. But just like Chris Musche could 131 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,000 play for you, Yeah, Gary Trim Junior could play for you, Grady 132 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,159 Dick could play for you, and you get two first. If this is 133 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,919 the bulls thinking we might be better off with Zach Lvine. We deepen our 134 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,200 rotation and now you have assets and expiring contract and Gary Trent Junior who can't 135 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,360 be reaggregated at that point. But we can go out and make another dumb 136 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:09,559 ass move if we want to. Yeah, right, So are you? 137 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,200 So do you like it less from Toronto side? Because I guess like I 138 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:16,519 do, because Zach Colvin is three years and one hundred and forty three million 139 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,879 left on this deal. I'm fine with that money in a vacuum. But 140 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:24,600 you this summer have to pay Pascal siakam O Jananobi yaka Pearls on the books 141 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,440 for about twenty million a pop. And Scottie Barnes is going to be extension 142 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,960 eligible this time. Because you're saying, you're saying if you do that, 143 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:35,960 you're one saying we got to keep all these other guys, and then you're 144 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,960 also saying Levine is the piece that justifies us being capped out and like suddenly 145 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:45,519 kind of asset poor and he's putting us over the top. So as I 146 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,919 as I speak it out that way, I think I like it less for 147 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:54,639 Toronto because that's the I think that is the incorrect assumption on a Zach Lavine 148 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:58,600 acquisition to this roster, which would be that we're that's that's the last piece, 149 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,799 right. This is not a last piece team, and Levine is not 150 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:05,960 that guy. And I'm very intrigued by the foursome though, of Siakam, 151 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,240 Levine, Scottie Barnes and o Gananobi, who I think Levine doesn't need to 152 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:13,080 dominate the ball enough so that there's not too much of a tuggle war between 153 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:16,799 him, Siakam and Barnes. I will say, who's the fifth you're most 154 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,120 excited about? Because low key, I think the Yaka Pearl trade is gonna 155 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,559 go down as like one of the worst trades over the past half decade or 156 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:28,879 decade, inexplicable, just like I just don't yeah wild but yeah, so 157 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:35,480 I guess in that in that hypothetical, your starting and closing five is Leavin 158 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Barnes, Ananobe, Siakam Pearl. So you don't have a point guard out 159 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:43,720 there. I guess with Scottie Barnes, Siakam and Levine, do you need 160 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,919 I mean you still Dennis Shruder. Look, I would close with Dennis Shruder 161 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:50,960 before I close with Yaka Pearl. Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. 162 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,200 Yeah, I wonder if because so much of the issue with Toronto for so 163 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,919 long has been the half court offense, and just like Ananobe is not intuitive, 164 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,159 Siakam really isn't either Actually, Levine has gotten assist but Leavin is not 165 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,600 a like the sees the play too passes away type of guy. He's more 166 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:11,600 of just like I got into the middle and I can make the easy read. 167 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:16,200 I wonder if that team still has even though Levine is like a massive 168 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,679 scoring upgrade. I wonder if that Toronto team is still gonna be one that, 169 00:11:20,799 --> 00:11:24,799 like the half court stuff just is real clunky and like there's just a 170 00:11:24,799 --> 00:11:28,120 lot of really like it's elementary offense, but it's not gonna be you know, 171 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:33,639 dynamic enough to to do anything. If push came to shove, I'd 172 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:35,080 probably say no if I was Toronto, but I would so want to see 173 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,519 the final product if they make. It would be a good test of the 174 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:43,519 theory of like what if we just throw like an absolute bucket into this group 175 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:46,919 and see what happens? Right, Yeah, it is. It's definitely an 176 00:11:46,919 --> 00:11:50,600 interesting trade. But yeah, do you think I guess this is? This 177 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,960 is? You know? Uh? Germane to the discussion, like, do 178 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,440 you think the Bulls can get three firsts for Lavine? We may maybe have 179 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,000 asked you this directly before, but I feel like the market changes all the 180 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,320 time. So the right foot injury is big, and he was not playing 181 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,120 well this season beforehand. Does a change of scenery help And I'm just look, 182 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:09,279 I'm gonna throw the three point clip out the window. He's been one 183 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:13,200 of the most dangerous off the dribble and catching to three point marksmen in the 184 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,159 league for some time. He also gives them an element of if you open 185 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,159 the floor enough, like he can still give you some rim pressure and you 186 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,480 have the defensive ecosystem to insulate him. If you're gonna play og Barnes Sacam, 187 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:28,559 maybe you're still worried about like Peerdle being in that. I mean, 188 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,840 like you can then play Perdle with Siakam and Barns and not have to worry 189 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,879 about the requisite floor spacing as much. So it's I like the idea of 190 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,799 Leavin in Toronto. It just feels like a notch too far. If you 191 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,279 told me there was a way for them to work it without including Grady Dick, 192 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,000 because you're not. You have to give up the two first otherwise it's 193 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,679 a NonStop if you can replace some of the Grady Dick's salary in Chicago says 194 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,960 no, We'll just take the two first round picks and another salary filler that 195 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,519 might, you know, make it even more intriguing from their perspective. Yeah, 196 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:05,360 that's interesting. What else you got? Trade number three? I don't 197 00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:09,159 know if both of these teams are disappointing because it involves the Wizards, and 198 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,440 it's kind of like, what were you expecting from the Wizards this year? 199 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,639 I will say it's been just they're not I know a lot of people find 200 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:20,480 them funny, but they're not really entertaining to watch, and I was expecting 201 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:22,559 them to be more entertaining. And I love Bala Kulabali Kusma is having a 202 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,399 good year. Corey Kissper is having a good year. So let's say they're 203 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:31,639 disappointing. This team is disappointing. The San Antonio Spurs are disappointing as hell, 204 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,919 in part because of their lineup decisions, and I am forcing them to 205 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:39,960 change that right here. The Washington Wizards receive Deavonte Graham, who is owed 206 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,759 two million dollars, is guaranteed next year, so he's basically an expiring contract. 207 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,600 Washington will also get Charlotte's twenty twenty four first round pick. Now that 208 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:54,960 pick is lottery protected this year and next year, and then it turns into 209 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,799 twenty six and twenty seven seconds if it doesn't convey. So for all intentsive, 210 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:01,919 perer sains you're saying you're getting Charlotte's twenty six and twenty seven seconds, 211 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,120 right. I was just gonna say that, I don't think that pick's going 212 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:11,840 anywhere. So DeVante Graham that pick or those picks plus a twenty twenty five 213 00:14:11,879 --> 00:14:15,799 second rounder from Chicago. So just keep in mind how bad these two teams 214 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:20,360 are. Charlotte in Chicago, you sent Tias Jones to San Antonio. So 215 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:22,720 if we wanted to call this the bare bottoms offer, it would be Devonte 216 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:30,240 Graham plus two Charlotte seconds and a Chicago Bull seconds a Chicago Bull second for 217 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:35,840 Tias Jones. Do you think that they would very quick before you respond? 218 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,639 Do you think san Antonio would bring both Tias and Trey off the bench? 219 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:41,840 Yeah, they'd find they'd go find a third brother if he's out there, 220 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:46,000 and also bring him off the bench if refuse to start him. You guys, 221 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,919 never run with the ones that practice you are back. Yeah, I 222 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,960 love it for the spurs. I mean, I just who cares about a 223 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,279 bunch of seconds from their perspective and they don't play anything the first for Tias 224 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,600 I mean he's in a contract year. If he is already done, I 225 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:09,279 don't think the Spurs are in a position to be training their own first under 226 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:18,440 any circumstances. So the question is do the Wizards value the salary relief enough 227 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,840 to they're not gonna Well, they're not even getting salary relief. It's basically 228 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:24,799 it amounts to the same amount of money in totality, because what Tias Jones 229 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:30,840 makes this year is Devonte Graham plus Devonte Graham's two million dollars guarantee next year. 230 00:15:30,919 --> 00:15:33,879 Okay, you're doing this for and you couldn't doew it this way, 231 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:37,320 So Charlotte's not they're gonna be a lottery team this year? Is there a 232 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:41,679 chance that by adding a lottery pick to a core of LaMelo PJ. Washington, 233 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,879 Mark Williams, Brandon Miller that they are not a lottery team next year? 234 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,320 There is an outside chance of who would you trust to convey a lottery 235 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,279 protected pick in twenty twenty five? More the Pistons or the Hornets? Oh 236 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:56,679 well, I mean the hornet. Well, the question is like, who's 237 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:00,639 going to be better looked like? Well, I was trying to think, 238 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:04,440 Who's what is conveying a lottery pick mean that means you're you're not in the 239 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,279 lottery anymore. I mean, the answer is probably the Hornets, But like, 240 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,399 I don't know that adding a lottery pick actually increases your odds of not 241 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,600 picking in the lottery the next year, because that guy's probably not gonna be 242 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:18,919 a value add as a rookie. But like it's just is LaMelo healthy? 243 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,200 And then do they have enough guys around him? Charlotte's got a little more 244 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,360 upside I think than Detroit does, at least in the near term, which 245 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:32,279 feels I probably love so many of Toronto's players individually, just not with the 246 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,200 Detroit you mean, right, yeah, sorry, yeah, no, that's 247 00:16:34,279 --> 00:16:37,639 That's exactly what I was thinking, is like, well, I love Thompson 248 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:40,919 and like I still think Kid Cunningham might not be a superstar, but he's 249 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,039 gonna be good, and I like j n Ivy still and Jalen Yeah, 250 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,399 right exactly. I think if if the question is who says no, that's 251 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:52,000 it, that is the question, I guess it's Washington just because I like 252 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:55,559 it so much for the Spurs, just because you think it's enough to at 253 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:59,480 least say like this is a trade, a legitimate trade proposal. I think 254 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:03,200 it's pretty close. I guess I'm just bumping on, like is Washington. 255 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:07,799 Does Washington think it might get like a more real first for Jones from somebody 256 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:10,519 else at some point. I mean you could also hear the Spurs throwing Blake 257 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:15,160 Wesley. Sure, yeah, this demon who doesn't play, who's not playing, 258 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,559 that's right. Yeah. I think if I'm the Spurs, I'm happy 259 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:22,119 to throw in like several sweeteners. I think just because Tias Jones is, 260 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,839 you know, my whole thing is, they might just not want a point 261 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:32,599 guard at this point. So are they inclined to operating eating up minutes? 262 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,839 And he's on the rostered right, right, they're operating like a team that 263 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,200 does not want a point guard. If I'm running the Spurs, I'm saying 264 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,839 Tias Jones is exactly like the knock on effect of having Tias Jones there. 265 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,119 And look, we're not saying like you don't need two thousand and eight Chris 266 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,119 Paul, Like you just need someone that's going to run the offense and not 267 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,880 turn it over. And then like everything gets easier for Devin Vessel and Kelden 268 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,240 Johnson and Wemby and it's like every everybody. It's everyone benefits from like a 269 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,920 high end backupint guard, which is what Tyas Jones is. So yeah, 270 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,240 I want Tyas Jones if I'm the Spurs. I think it's pretty close from 271 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:07,720 Washington side, because like, what are they gonna do with Tys Jones unless 272 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,440 someone's offering a real first. I do think the only way they get a 273 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:17,920 significantly better offer is if it's attached to really bad money. To where Devonte 274 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,440 Graham functionally is basically is an expiring contract. Yeah, he's not bad money, 275 00:18:21,519 --> 00:18:26,119 right, That's that's a good point. Raid number four your backyard. 276 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,319 The Golden State Warriors, I would call them disappointing right then a little bit, 277 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,039 a little bit. Guess who else is involved? Those pesky Toronto Raptors 278 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:40,920 also disappointing. How's this for some disappointing team? Overlap? It's it's it's 279 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,119 just a lot right now, Dan, the Warors are really putting me through 280 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,480 it. I imagine you're looking at scores right now or I've seen him and 281 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:52,160 I don't want to know because I will watch the Warriors game later against I'm 282 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,480 not even looking at the score. But that's massochism. I don't want to 283 00:18:55,519 --> 00:19:00,480 try to read your face. So though Golden State Warriors receive Pascal Siakam, 284 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:07,039 the Raptors receive Jonathan Kaminga Chris Paul, a twenty twenty six first top five 285 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,640 protection that immediately expires and turns into seconds if not conveyed, and then a 286 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:17,079 twenty twenty eight second first round pick. Excuse me, so two first round 287 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,359 picks. The twenty twenty eight to one is top eight protected through twenty twenty 288 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,160 nine, then it becomes two seconds. So Kaminga, who is extension eligible 289 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,599 after this year by the way, Chris Paul basically an expiring contract. And 290 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,640 then two first round picks, the most loosely protected of which is top five 291 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:37,240 for Pascal Siakam. And so I will give you my reasoning here very quickly. 292 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,119 Is we've mentioned already that I think the Warriors need a star. They 293 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,079 need someone who could generate his own shot. If Chris Paul is going out, 294 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,240 you do have other money to work with here. But I don't think 295 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,640 that they're gonna give up lay Thompson, and that forty plus million is a 296 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,680 huge number. I don't think they're gonna trade Draymond Green, and if you're 297 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,680 making a win now trade, I think keeping Draymond's important. Wiggins's money is 298 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,920 interesting. That being said, if you're getting rid of Kaminga and you're not 299 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:07,160 bringing back another super athletic wing type player, and Cominga is not really a 300 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,200 wing, but you need Andrew Wiggins on the roster still. It's my point. 301 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,039 It'd be different if this trade is for Ogananobi. But even in that 302 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:15,359 scenario, I'm like, if Kaminga's going out, like you still kind of 303 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,400 need Wiggins there. So that's why Chris Paul is involved in this deal rather 304 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,960 than trying to build it around Andrew Wiggins is out. In case you were 305 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:26,559 curious, can you build it around Andrew Wiggins. I'm a lot more comfortable 306 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:30,000 with that at this point. It's all hard. An issue is that the 307 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:34,960 Warriors I think will view Andrew Wiggins as an asset going out. But if 308 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,319 you are, if you are the Raptors, you're looking at Andrew and I 309 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,839 know we all said the deal. The deal is probably still fine, but 310 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,640 we all kind of said, oh, we signed for so cheap when he 311 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,680 did it. Are you as another team or I guess even not as another 312 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:56,279 team, as the as the Raptors viewing the two years and what is it 313 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:02,359 forty or excuse me, sixty million ish left two years old. It's three 314 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,799 years and eighty five. Yeah, he's got a player option for thirty in 315 00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:11,839 twenty six, twenty seven. So yeah, I mean, I mean, 316 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,799 no, I cannot You cannot make the argument that Andrew Wiggins is on a 317 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,960 positive value contract today right now with the way he's playing like that is not 318 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:22,799 you know, that could change in a month, but it's not the case 319 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,480 right now. So here would be my question though, just let's say the 320 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:29,200 Raptors would do it for Wiggins because they believe they could reboot his like, 321 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,720 oh, Andrew Wiggins and Ogan Andobi on the same team, Like that could 322 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,720 work. And Scotty Barnes like, there's are you then okay? With Okay, 323 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,839 we got ready Comenica, we got Andrew Wiggins, and now like, 324 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,839 who's our our wing is Klay Thompson. Well, that's the thing. I 325 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,000 want to keep Kaminga out of the deal if I'm getting Wiggins in there, 326 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:48,240 which is like, then I don't know why is doing that? So you 327 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:53,079 basically are just trying to construct the most lopsided trade. Well, no, 328 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,240 I mean like trade Paul trade Wiggins. I mean I think those are would 329 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:02,480 you rather give up? Like if it let you keep Kaminga, would you 330 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:04,599 rather give up Moody. I'd rather have Moody. If I'm Golden State, 331 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:10,559 I think I'd rather coming I think I'd rather have Kaminga. I think this 332 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,480 is take all over, such prisoner of the moment thinking. But like he 333 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:19,839 has played the best he's played the last like week or two, I thought 334 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:23,960 you were going to end there. He had play has played on the court 335 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,559 in basketball games. I think the upside Cominga's upside is still just higher than 336 00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:33,319 Moody's. This is this is one of the weird things that's been true throughout 337 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,960 They're because they're very much linked Cominga and Moody. But like it has always 338 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,640 been true that like most nights, Moody is the steadier, like more reliable 339 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,799 contributor who is like that guy's a rotation wing, like he just is like, 340 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:49,160 but the ceiling for Moody's not there. Kaminga is the one that like 341 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,119 comes in and within thirty seconds has committed a foul and a turnover, and 342 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,799 like stepped out of bounce, you know, like, but then has twenty 343 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:03,160 points on eleven shots and overpower like centers at the like Kaminga's ceiling is still 344 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:06,279 That's what I'm interested in. That's what the Raptors should be interested in. 345 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,680 By the way, so like I understand why you want him in the deal, 346 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:14,519 I don't know who says no there. I guess the Warriors giving up 347 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:19,559 Kaminga and two firsts really because Paul's money is just what it is for Siakam, 348 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:25,440 who you then probably have to pay forty million a year on his next 349 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,240 deal. You have to keep him, so you're making this deal. So 350 00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:30,000 and that's the argument to can you get away with giving less? Would be 351 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:33,039 well, he's about to be a free agent. The problem with the way 352 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:37,000 the Warriors are built, they just can't give up. It's they're only built 353 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,079 for this mega trade and unless unless the Raptors and had one. The Raptors 354 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,400 need to say yes to this, and then you need to have the goal 355 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,480 to do it is you know what we'll give you, Pascal Siakam. We'll 356 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,519 give you Chris Bouchet, nice little bringing in there with the Warriors, and 357 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:56,720 then it's Klay Thompson Mpicks and that is like the most convenient framework for the 358 00:23:56,759 --> 00:24:00,640 Warriors. Yeah, because Sacam's going towards free agency and they've look, the 359 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,119 Raptors cost themselves. I don't care where he lands up. They probably ended 360 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,519 up costing themselves value on Siakam by not moving him sooner because of the uneven 361 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,640 he's at. So now, if the Raptors are willing to do that, 362 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,960 like if you're the Warriors and they actually come back and said that that it's 363 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,279 clay and two first for Siakam. There's other money involved. But if that's 364 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:23,480 the framework, you should I understand the emotional component of it. I honestly 365 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:26,160 don't know. I can sit here and say I would do it if I 366 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,480 was running the Warriors. I don't know if I could do it. Would 367 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,319 you do that? If you're the war Vacuum, you absolutely do that. 368 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:34,400 Because Klay Thompson's money is what it is, and he's just I mean, 369 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:38,519 Wiggins has probably been worse, but Thompson like as in terms of value, 370 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:42,759 like you're paying this guy significantly more, and like as he's older and the 371 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,960 you know, Wiggins could just be better tomorrow, because you know, Wiggins 372 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:51,279 is still young enough to where he might just turn it around. Thompson's like 373 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,200 the arrow is going one way on that guy. But like, I just 374 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,039 don't think they're gonna trade Lay Thompson. I just like I don't know. 375 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,079 I just can't see it because I think you should. You should if like 376 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,359 if it were just a coldly, you know, calculated decision, like of 377 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,799 course you would do that. Like that's not even that's not even a debate. 378 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:11,279 I don't think right, like, is there any rational argument other than 379 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:14,920 like sentiment and we owe it to him, which are like compelling, and 380 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:18,839 that's what's going to motivate the Warriors do not probably ever trade Clay Thompson. 381 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,519 But like there's not a logical reason to not trade great Clay Thompson, this 382 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,039 exact deal. Who says no, the Klay Thompson one or your your comedio 383 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,039 no one that I proposed to you. I apologize if you answered like defit 384 00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:33,880 no, I of course I didn't answer. I've been hemming and hawing and 385 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,759 like trying to work my head around it. I think the Warriors say no 386 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:44,400 okay. I don't know if they should say no okay, just just because 387 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,559 if you're the raptors. You're like, we don't we we either are gonna 388 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:48,519 lose, sack them for nothing, or have to pay him a whole bunch. 389 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,200 I'd rather have all this other stuff. I think. I think that's 390 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,079 that's the rationale from that side. I what's interesting is, I'm just curious. 391 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:03,240 I think I agree with you. I'm just here if this front off 392 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:04,799 version of the front office, because I know Kirk la Cup and Mike Dunleavy 393 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:07,799 were around. Are they just not that they're less married to the core, 394 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,400 but are they prepared to do something bolder to leave what they believe is their 395 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,039 stamp on this team? I think maybe a little bit. But I also 396 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:22,400 think the constant is still Steph Curry is like this most singularly powerful voice in 397 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,359 the organization. And if there's no scenario where you pull off any significant trade 398 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,480 without at least like saying something to him about it, and like if it's 399 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,960 Clai or if it's Draymond, it's probably a non starter. And like I 400 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:41,880 think he while the management decision makers in management have changed, I think it's 401 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,279 still like this team is just beholden to Steph. And maybe in some ways 402 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,480 that's an argument to like you got to make this trade because you owe him 403 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,640 a roster that is not going to be ten and thirteen or whatever it is 404 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,960 after tonight's game. But that's so, I guess my roundabout answer is like 405 00:26:56,039 --> 00:27:00,400 not a not as much has changed in terms of the team, is like 406 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,200 decision making, hierarchy and thinking as as it might seem with a new GM 407 00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:08,440 in place. Okay, final trade. I do have a bonus one, 408 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,319 but final trade, and this one is I actually like it. Don't let 409 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,799 that impact your thinking. But here we go. Get right, you're gonna 410 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:19,519 fall off your charming seies. Do you like your other trades? I think 411 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:22,880 you should like all your trades. Don't. Don't I hate every you know 412 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,799 me? I hate everything I do. I think I saw I just my 413 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,400 imposter syndrome. Has everyone got it? Mine is dials always turned to a 414 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,759 life. That's your brand, that's your brand. I hate everything I do. 415 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:40,960 Trade five. The Detroit Pistons received Gordon Hayward. The Charlotte Hornets received 416 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,599 Joe Harris, Killian Hayes and a twenty twenty four second round pick. It 417 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,559 will be the most favorable of Memphis or Washington, and so you could say 418 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:55,400 that'll be like a top thirty five pick. So because Washington it's gonna be 419 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,599 a top I mean, maybe the Pistons will be worse than Washington, but 420 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,240 other than that, it's gonna be a top thirty repick. You're getting a 421 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:07,559 good second a shot at Killian Hayes and then Joe Harris for Hayward. Correct. 422 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:15,079 I think I do that If I am shmm, I think, well, 423 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,240 who can say what Detroit thinks? Right? Look, if you can 424 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:26,240 run out lineups where it's Caid, Gordon, Hayward, Jalen Duran and then 425 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:29,480 it's like you don't want to put I would say, let's throw all our 426 00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:32,519 youngsters in there. But you can go boy On Vogdanovich and then say play 427 00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:34,799 a Sar Thompson that's a legit five or if you wanted to say in that 428 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:38,119 instance, well we'll play Ja and n Ivy instead of Asar Thompson. Like 429 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,279 I just the stuff you could do with Caid, Gordon, Hayward and boy 430 00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:47,319 On Vogdanovich and then have a Star Thompson and Jaalen Duran or Jay and not 431 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,119 you go super small if you wanted to and do a Star Thompson, n 432 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,640 J and Ivy That is what caught me on this, because I just think 433 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,799 they need more players kind of like these these smarter, plug and play, 434 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,279 versatile guys like Gordon Hayward who do not shrink the four. But can I 435 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:06,559 ask you, like a high falutin sounding question to what end, like why 436 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:11,440 why? Here's the one end you're gonna well, right, it expires. 437 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,319 But my point being is I think it optimizes the development of Cad and Asar 438 00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:18,240 Thompson by letting them play more space. And here's the bigger one. It 439 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:23,880 removes technically two but really one guard from the rotation who could play in front 440 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,319 of Jade and Ivy. And so now it's oh, we only really got 441 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,960 to worry about a healthy Monte Morris and then maybe Burks will eventually get moved 442 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,839 in. Now Jade and Ivy will see the floor even more, and doesn't 443 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,039 does Harris have one more year on his dealers? He expiring? Oh no, 444 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:41,119 wait, yeah, he's inspiring. Yeah right, you're right, he's 445 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,920 expiring. So yeah, I think that's a great argument because like let's which 446 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,279 is basically like let's get Killian Hayes out of the way, Like let's take 447 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,920 let's take this, uh this card out of Monny Williams's deck, so he 448 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,559 can't keep playing this guy. Yeah, that's probably the most compelled. The 449 00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,799 Hayward as like a as someone who would benefit a lot of the young guys 450 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,839 is also pretty compelling. Yeah, I like that for the Pistons. I 451 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,359 also don't hate it for Charlotte just because, like, let's you know again, 452 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,920 I keep bringing this point up, but like maybe someone could offer you, 453 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:17,160 like a a heavily protected first that might actually be a first for him. 454 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,920 But I don't know that that's actually a realistic scenario. So getting a 455 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,400 shot like maybe maybe a Chillian Hayes is someone that you know, changes scenery 456 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:29,960 you wanted to get a look at. As Charlotte, I don't think the 457 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,559 Hayes LaMelo fit is like anything anyone's gonna want, But I don't hate it 458 00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:38,799 as like a let's just check it out and then maybe Harris as a shooter 459 00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,920 has you know, a lot of what you're saying about Hayward could be applied 460 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:48,240 to Harris if he just were healthy and making shots. Yeah, I say 461 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,480 he's even when he's been at least on the court. I don't if he's 462 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,240 been healthy, he's not making shots like thirty one percent, I think this 463 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,799 year from three and that's the last I look. But and he's also not 464 00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:00,839 I mean, Hayward is actually like a you know, for his position, 465 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:04,799 a good facilitator, Like he's someone that Will Harris is not gonna his spacing 466 00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:07,559 matters if he's hitting, but he's not gonna generate, you know, high 467 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,480 quality looks for a bunch of young guys the way Heyward might. Yeah. 468 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,079 I kind of like that on both sides. You were correct to like that 469 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,880 trade. I don't know who says no, there nice. And here's the 470 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,279 final one that I was workshop that was inspired by I came if I was 471 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:25,000 talking with someone on Twitter. I apologize. I have so many comment I 472 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,240 try to interact with listeners and followers. It was either on YouTube or it 473 00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:30,160 was on Twitter. I think I don't think it was discord. We're gonna 474 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,200 let's talk about the Hawks and the Pelicans. I think the Hawks are disappointing 475 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,079 here brandon Ingram and a first round pick. I think it would have to 476 00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:41,440 be like, you have the Bucks twenty twenty seven pick, you have the 477 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,279 Lakers pick this year twenty twenty five, you've a you have all your own 478 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:51,480 firsts, but brandon Ingram and a pick for de Jontay Murray, Jalen Johnson 479 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,480 and DeAndre Hunter. There might need to be another salary in there. This 480 00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:59,440 is again, this was such a loose idea. I started thinking about it, 481 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,720 and I was like, you do you have to pay Brandon Ingram. 482 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,720 But if you're the Hawks, you're so cheap. You have to pay Jalen 483 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,680 Johnson already, You've already paid to Jone Murray, You've paid DeAndre Hunter. 484 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,640 Let's so let's break it down. That's really interesting. So let's say it 485 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,200 from the Pelican side, because Ingram's the best. Ingram is the best player 486 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,400 in the deal, and you're get you're also giving up a first so free 487 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,319 agency, yeah or no? He has one. No, he has another 488 00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:28,759 year left on his deal. He gets not an extension after this year. 489 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,279 But and then also, all I ever talk about is how I don't like 490 00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:35,079 the Zion Ingram fit. So like I'm starting from that position of like, 491 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,720 okay, I'm interested in any other kind of uh like support cast. So 492 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:45,599 does Murray Jalen Johnson and you said Hunter too, Yes, did we go 493 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,039 a player? To my gut was like, did we go a player too 494 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:51,799 far. Well, it's only in so far as like Hunter is kind of 495 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,759 duplicative of because you still got Trey Murphy, you still got herb Jones, 496 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,400 you still got an Algi Marshall. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone else. Well, 497 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,519 Dyson Dan and he can play Yeah, he can play up. I 498 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:06,279 guess. I don't know if you need do you need Hunter to make the 499 00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:07,880 money work? I mean, but yeah, I know I can go. 500 00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:13,799 I think Ingram for Murray and Johnson would work. I worried about, like, 501 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:15,839 what does that do to Dyson Daniels. So I wondered, like, 502 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:20,440 with Daniels and Ingram for them, those three guys make even more sense. 503 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,039 And then if you're the Pelicans, you get to keep your first round powder 504 00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:28,920 man. I just I really kind of like it for the Pelicans, but 505 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,119 I haven't really we haven't really pivoted to what that does for the Hawks, 506 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,200 because I now they did already trade away DeAndre Hunter, So like, I 507 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:43,359 don't know if that factors into the Yeah, I so is Murray. So 508 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,039 then your backcourt, it's so you're going, let's just work through it. 509 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:52,039 It's c J and Murray in the backcourt. And then it's John and Zion 510 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,480 with Urban Trey Murphy, Like those are your top six guys, christ Yeah, 511 00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,480 and then Hunter is still there if he's involved in the deal. The 512 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:02,680 Pelicans went from having too many guys to having like way too many guys. 513 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,559 They're they're ripe for a consolidation trade. Then they they they're the team that 514 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:13,039 should be making consolidation trade and they just did a three for one, which 515 00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:16,159 is why it's tough. But I think I like the idea of de Jontay 516 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:21,079 Murray in New Orleans because I know that he's notially But what's that, What 517 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,559 specifically do you like about it? I'm because it gives you he is more 518 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,920 of a playmaker. Then I know he's not like a natural playmaker, but 519 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,400 he's more of a league guard or facilitator than Brandon Ingram, than CJ. 520 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,079 McCollum, than Jose Alvarado. Yeah, and so I understand that Brandon Ingram 521 00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:42,719 is just the better score, but also de john tac Murray's been one of 522 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,679 the most efficient one on one scores in the league this year. The Hawks 523 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,400 can maybe generate more spacing than New Orleans, but New Orleans spacing after this 524 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,159 and a bunch of their lineups could be wild. Yeah, there's more positional 525 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,920 malleability here. It feels like with Jalen Johnson being there, it was it 526 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,159 was a thought exercise. I was like, if you're the Pelicans and you 527 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:04,639 know that you're gonna have to pay Trey Murphy that you already paid Zion, 528 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,880 that Brandon Ingram might be super max eligible if he made an All NBA team, 529 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:13,000 Like knowing what Brandon Ingram's next contract could be as a thirty percent max. 530 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:16,320 Let's even say the idea of breaking it up into players who Dejeantay Murray 531 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,000 has already been paid and that that extension is still good, DeAndre Hunter has 532 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,760 already been paid, that extension is I would say market value to maybe a 533 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,199 slight negative, slight positive. It could vacillate between the day to Jalen Johnson 534 00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:32,840 who still is another year on his rookie scale. Is it just your point? 535 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,880 Oh, it's like too many heads. It just gives them so many 536 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,239 ways. This was my This is what drew me to it the most. 537 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,840 I like de Jentay Murray more as a lead playmaker for the Pels, and 538 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,559 then what he can do defensively than I do for Brandon, which he hasn't 539 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:49,280 done this year, but yeah, I know, right even this year flat 540 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,880 out, I like if CJ. McCollum is the guy you got to play 541 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,079 better defense than as a league guarder. I've even Brendan Ingram. I trust 542 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:59,199 to Janta Murray more than reading. Sure, yeah, maybe that's a hot 543 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:00,760 take that could be, but no, no, no. Ingram is like 544 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,280 the most screenable human being on planet Earth. Like he's a He's a tough 545 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,280 guy to work on a defense. He watched Trey Young as well. There's 546 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,679 just more of Brandon Ingram, all the limbs. There's so many limbs that 547 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,280 stretch for too far. You're gonna catch a piece of him with a screen 548 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:22,000 no matter where you are. So my aside from the Murray intrigue was also 549 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,880 okay, this gives you ways to get to Zion as the only big lineups 550 00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:34,039 where he just will never like just between Herb, Jalen Johnson and Dyson Daniels, 551 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,599 He's still there. You just don't have to worry about him ever. 552 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:38,039 He could be the only big but he doesn't have to play that role on 553 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:44,599 the defensive end ever. Yeah, and that is in him, Like three 554 00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:49,239 hundred and sixty degrees at that between Murray and Herb Jones and Trey Murphy and 555 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,360 even Jalen Johnson, DeAndre Hunter and Jalen Johnson. I do think might be 556 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,800 able to overrated defensively, but he's very malleable and he's also been a pretty 557 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,800 good rim protector this year. That's the thing I was look like, can 558 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,800 can you get away with Jalen Johnson at center? Like? How much? 559 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,199 How much can you get away with he's actually to grab defensive rebound. I 560 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:10,400 think you'd be okay. Yeah, that well, so the Hawks played. 561 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,559 I was just looking it up because that that was the question to me. 562 00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:17,079 They so this basketball reference, so it's like, I think their positional designations 563 00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:20,480 are if he cleaning the glass, I think sometimes is better. But this 564 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:22,800 is what we have for the moment. Thirteen percent of Johnson's minutes as a 565 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,880 rookie, we're at center. The rest were a power forward, but he's 566 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,400 been at one percent and two percent at center. Part of that is the 567 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,159 Hawks have Capella and a kong Wu, so it's not like the situation where 568 00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:37,639 you play Johnson at centers you know, involves injuries to at least one person 569 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,639 so uh, I don't think that forecloses the idea that he could play some 570 00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:44,039 center if if you could convince me that Johnson is like a viable center for 571 00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,519 fifteen twenty minutes a night, Like, I'm pretty on board with with that. 572 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:50,559 Look, But what about the Hawks side, because I don't know that 573 00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,920 brandon Ingram makes any sense with Trey Young, because Ingram is better on the 574 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,119 ball, doesn't like to shoot threes, likes to be kind of in the 575 00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:01,920 middle of the floor doing stuff you're banking on Trey, either him changing his 576 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,760 game or Trey doing a lot more off ball running around type of stuff, 577 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,199 which like is possible. But I don't know. I feel like this makes 578 00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:14,480 Maybe I'm just not high enough on Ingram. But I think if someone's saying 579 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,880 no, it might be Atlanta, which is weird because they're getting the best 580 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,360 player probably right, I agree with you. I wonder if there would be 581 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,159 a more workable framework if we said Jalen Johnson doesn't have to go to New 582 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,239 Orleans, or if DeAndre Hunter doesn't have to go to New Orleans, because 583 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,599 you could build different frameworks out that way. I just it wasn't what I 584 00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,679 proposed. It was from I was talking about it with someone I can't remember 585 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,519 who, and I just the fact that I couldn't I still can't grasp it 586 00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:44,280 is interesting. It's a it's a brain tickler, like I want to think 587 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,480 about that one tomorrow. At some point. I think it's like, ah, 588 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:49,000 do I like it for Atlanta? I don't know. I can get 589 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,719 a text from Grant, so let's talk about it. I think at first, 590 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,039 first and second and third blush, since we've been talking about it for 591 00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,639 ten minutes, I think that's an more more interesting one for New Orleans than 592 00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:04,119 Atlanta, Like right, I think. I think that's where I land on 593 00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:14,760 it for now stat padding time, and I'm actually gonna ask, because I 594 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,159 have this, Can I go first so that I don't fuck this up? 595 00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:22,159 Because I didn't, but I did it sold you know how busy I was. 596 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,679 So I did it and I'm not doing it for memory, but it's 597 00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:27,480 just so it's in my mind right now, and I don't want to You 598 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:34,599 must go first, okay, So Draymond Green or Steph Curry time, Okay. 599 00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:43,360 Draymond Green is currently averaging one point five eight ejections per season. Is 600 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,400 that higher or lower than the number of steals per game Steph Curry is averaging 601 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,360 for his career. Oh, that's right on the line. I bet I'm 602 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:58,599 gonna say that is more steals per game than Curry is averaging for his career. 603 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,400 You're saying Draymond Green is averaging more ejections per year than Steph averages steals 604 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,199 per game. Yes, that is incorrect. Steph is at one point five 605 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,039 to nine steals per game for his career. Raymond's at one point five eight. 606 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,039 That's the most cold blooded question you've ever asked me. All right, 607 00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:16,920 good one, though, Oh we have. There's two more levels to it, 608 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,360 though, I'm ready, so don't don't uh. He has for his 609 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:29,960 career he has twenty flagrant fouls. Draymond Green is twenty flagrant fouls for his 610 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:36,159 career. Is that more or less than the number of games Steph has in 611 00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:43,039 which he has hit hit ten three pointers also regular season combined. I think 612 00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:47,920 it is less. That is correct, twenty flagrant fouls to twenty three uh 613 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,960 ten made threes games by Steph. By the way, the only twenty twenty 614 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,800 flagrant fouls and one point five eight ejections per year both seem really low. 615 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,360 Just from my record of Draymond. Now, no, you probably know the 616 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:08,519 number. But what is higher the number of career triple doubles that Steph Curry 617 00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:15,800 has or the career number of ejections Draymond Green has. Well, you just 618 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,880 gave me one point five to eight per year over a dozen years. I 619 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,880 think Draymond has been ejected more than Steph has registered a triple double. That 620 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,360 is correct. Nineteen flagrant fouls, Oh excuse me. Nineteen ejections to thirteen 621 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,920 triple doubles in the playoff regular season. Closer than I thought. That's all 622 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,599 I had. It was so fresh. I told you I was just Steph 623 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:40,800 firsts stray Oh that's a good one way to be topical, way to just 624 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,440 and give me some Warriors questions. I have a chance to get right, 625 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,320 all right? Uh, I got a few. I gotta like a real 626 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,760 grab bag of things here. Do you have anything else you'd like to get 627 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,519 to or should I just kind of dive in? You could? I have 628 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:55,440 two blocks of word association and then a themed question, So why don't we 629 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,719 do you want to do word association that I got for you? First? 630 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,039 Sure? I also have two that I can return the favor when you're done, 631 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,119 dope. I guess it would help if I had my word association pulled 632 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:13,840 up. Okay, ready, block one hideous jersey? Uh? A lot 633 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,119 of the Brooklyn nets looks have been pretty hideous. If that's some weird ones, 634 00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:20,079 I don't I don't like them, That's what I don't know. You 635 00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,880 know why that came to mind? So I was looking for Lonnie Walker photos 636 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,840 to use in an article today and they had that weird Uh, that weird 637 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,880 one on. I like that jersey this year, do you? Yeah? 638 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,679 The first one I said recently biased. The first ones that came to mind 639 00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:37,639 were the Lakers and Warriors City Edition unis or whatever they're called. There's got 640 00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:39,719 to be a better answer. What's just a total dogshit jersey out there? 641 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,599 How about those Orange Warriors ones? The oh well, the old Orange Warriors 642 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,039 ones with the lightning bolt, Yeah, those are awful. Well, if 643 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:50,880 we're going to go back to, like, you know, the mid nineties, 644 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,039 there's a lot to choose from there. Oh, you know what, 645 00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:58,719 the worst jerseys of all time are the sleeves? Oh right, the sleeves. 646 00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:02,360 Gosh, what I forgot about the sleeves? How many years did that 647 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,559 last? I can't remember now. Was it like three, it was one? 648 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,679 It was only I think it was the one they did it on. 649 00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:12,920 It was four because they wore them on Christmas, sew them wear it. 650 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,800 I think Lebron James won the finals in sleeves, right or no, it 651 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,599 wasn't. Maybe he wasn't wearing but like it was the one year, I'm 652 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:22,480 pretty sure. Oh man, if it was only one year, it seemed 653 00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:25,320 longer. It seemed like the sleeves persisted longer than a year. Yeah, 654 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,519 those weren't a great look. Remember, the whole deal was try well, 655 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,440 I think this was the real thing, or maybe I just like cynically assumed 656 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,039 it. It's we want to sell more jerseys and people aren't gonna not everybody's 657 00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,079 gonna wear a tank top. So if we put sleeves on this thing, 658 00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:43,800 we're gonna sell more jerseys to people that just want to wear normal shirts. 659 00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:46,440 Was that I googled some of them. I'm gonna throw one up on the 660 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:52,679 screen. This one's bad. Oh, that's a tough look. Wizards Golden 661 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:58,960 Black one was haitis, So didn't the Wizards. Yeah, the Wizards also 662 00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:02,519 did like a Histon's blue right, Like remember like everyone kind of like that 663 00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:06,559 light blue for a while. Those the Wizards have had some bad ones, 664 00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:10,079 although they're pinka like cherry blossom ones. They have had. Oh that Calves 665 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:15,280 one, that's rough, Mark Price. Oh, these are the Spurs military 666 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,559 Appreciation. Iah, that's bad. Oh, I didn't even know these Mavericks 667 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:22,039 ones existed. I don't I don't hate that. I don't hate that Brett. 668 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,920 I can see my reflection right now just from the photo. But it's 669 00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:30,639 nash. Oh. Those are king gold with purple and white accents. It's 670 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:35,400 such a huge risk if you go with just some random color that's got nothing 671 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,639 to do with your There's nothing wrong with that jersey. That's a sick jersey. 672 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,320 The short give me the short shorts. There was a couple others on 673 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,840 this list. S I did it. I don't hate these maps, the 674 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,480 ones that were green and blue with the MAVs, I don't hate. I 675 00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:52,000 mean, it's not like the old scripts. Nothing wrong with that. I 676 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:57,039 didn't have a problem with these. I don't like that was so the problem 677 00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,760 with the war We're looking at the Warriors jerseys and like their nine or ninety 678 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,800 six rebrand. Oh, the problem with those Warriors jerseys. Was they replaced 679 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,599 what was an awesome like classic blue and gold jersey. They didn't need to 680 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,480 That didn't That was a refresh that didn't need to happen. And then of 681 00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:15,800 course they've gone back to their old color scheme for the most part. That 682 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,960 was one word association what else? Yeah? That was yeah, uh, 683 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:27,639 incredible jersey? What is an incredible jersey? You know what I liked INDI's 684 00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:31,360 is t jerseys. I thought, like the kind of the graffiti ish graffiti 685 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,960 inspired like on the side and almost looked like spray paint. I think I 686 00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,960 kind of like those first come to mind. I like a lot of the 687 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,840 classic ones, just like the basic Boston jersey. I like the Warriors City 688 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,960 edition last year with like the black with the gold rose thing on it. 689 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,960 That was cool. I love the old school Piston Teal jerseys. Yeah. 690 00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,599 One of the few purple Oh go ahead, would you say? I was 691 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:55,599 just gonna say, one of the few Teal jerseys done right, the purple 692 00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,079 Raptor jersey that had the like the screaming, raging rap on it. Yeah, 693 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:06,639 those are like your original like the cartoon looking thing. The jazz jerseys 694 00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:09,599 that have like the mountain backdrop have always been really nice. What you know, 695 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,519 I mean this is everyone kind of said this. The Miami Vice jerseys. 696 00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:16,119 I kind of like the pink and blue those I kind of like those 697 00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:22,079 ones. Do you know which ones I liked that other people very much did 698 00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:23,519 not. I'm not gonna put it up on the screen now and putting another 699 00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:28,800 one up on. Uh those MAVs jerseys where it was like the font was 700 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:34,880 kind of cartoonish. These Bucks jerseys go pretty hard. Oh man, that's 701 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,079 such a nineties look. Those Bucks jerseys with like the giant deer just yeah, 702 00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:42,920 they did not that's such a Glenn Robinson is absolutely who you associate with 703 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,000 that. What about the classic Timberwolves jerseys. The Timberwolves have had some good 704 00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:47,719 looks. Yeah. I liked when they did the lime green. I'm sure 705 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,639 the Timberwolves one had to come up here. Oh yeah right here. Yeah, 706 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,840 yeah, that fot that fought goes hard. Yeah. Whatever you picture 707 00:46:54,880 --> 00:47:00,480 Kevin Garnett in, uh, when you think of Kevin Garnett all the wolves 708 00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:05,159 like that jersey is sick. Also, I'm gonna say the Vancouver Grizzlies jerseys, 709 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,159 the Denver ones with the rainbow, well you just scrolled past. They're 710 00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:12,000 blue ones. Those are those are pretty sick. So this is the Vancouver 711 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,119 Wane. I thought the Grizzlies. Vancouver Grizzlies. I love those, Denver 712 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:19,199 you said. I scrolled down. It was there right there where? Why 713 00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,079 am I missing? Oh that's a shop. I'm not going to promote Dick 714 00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:23,519 Sporting Goods on this, but yeah, you're right about that. I need 715 00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:30,960 to find the the MAVs City Edition jerseys. Uh that I'm talking about that 716 00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:36,280 no one liked and I thought it was it's oh these, well this is 717 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,559 that's a terrible They're better. Uh, here we go. Oh yeah, 718 00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:42,960 that's another like graffiti. There's who I don't know who that is standing in 719 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,079 front of the wall. Yeah, those aren't bad. That's that's kph. 720 00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,480 I liked those. And then do you know which ones? It's not that 721 00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:54,599 I hate them? This year's Clippers City Edition jerseys? Uh do you do 722 00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:58,119 you know what they look like? Without having they're right well now they're on 723 00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,719 the Yeah, yeah, do you know what they remind me of? I 724 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,280 can't the font? Do you remember the old school Microsoft windows and the paper 725 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,079 clip dude that pops up? I don't know why He's made me think of 726 00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:14,599 that because the guy that probably invented that paper clip guy owns the clippers. 727 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:22,679 Like, maybe that's why eyes on the paper clip looked like the font to 728 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,800 me. Yeah, no, I I get it, I get it. 729 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,039 Yeah, we're I liked. What do you think about like the old English 730 00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:30,280 font clippers jerseys? Where those the city editions last year, the black and 731 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:36,079 white with like the old English white writing on it. There were I don't 732 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,559 like those were divisive. The Oh yeah, okay, I didn't hate them. 733 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,400 I didn't love them either. They did have one that there was a 734 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,920 I don't know if they wore, but there was one of like rainbow accent 735 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,360 on them that actually didn't look too bad. Is it still? Am I 736 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,119 still sharing that screen that's up there? Uh no, I didn't put here, 737 00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:59,280 like I don't know if you could see the rainbow accent. Let me 738 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,639 see if there's a clo Oh, this one right there, like the left 739 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,000 arm arm sleeve hoole is a different color than they're Oh yeah, yeah, 740 00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:07,880 Like there's it's like the little background rainbow around the lettering. Yeah those are 741 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:15,960 okay, I don't hate those all right? As underrated jersey Oh jeezus, 742 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:22,880 all we've done is talk about jerseys. Okay, what about the I'll give 743 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:28,760 you two modern the Wolves like alternate this year that is like it has a 744 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,360 fading effect as you go up from like shorts to the top where it's like 745 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:37,079 white at the top, but it fades down to blue. I like those, 746 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:42,559 and then I like the like think of the like Nick van Exel nuggets, 747 00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:45,880 which is like blue and then like burnt orange and yellow and then it's 748 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,199 got like a I think that might be it. But I like those the 749 00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:52,159 ones before they went to like the Yeah, I like those Wolves jerseys. 750 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,280 Those are I don't hate them. I'm surprised you'd call those underrated. I 751 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,159 do think when I think of underrated the ones that spring to mind, do 752 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:06,639 you remember the Timberwolves like lime green one? Oh they're look that looked like 753 00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:09,719 the Seahawks basically, Yeah, I like those. I thought any other one 754 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,639 and this is you know, it's in the background of my gonna say, 755 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:19,000 you're gonna say the Saint Patrick's Day Knicks jerseys, don't you These come on? 756 00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:22,880 These jerseys are sick. You don't get a lot of green and orange 757 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,920 combos I have. I wish I did. I throw them out. I 758 00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,760 custom made Nikes when I was younger, because you could do it on like 759 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:37,000 the Nike I D you can still match the orange and green of the Knicks 760 00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:42,639 jersey. That's how hard those jerseys went. I mean, there's one right 761 00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:45,119 behind you? Is that gal? That's Gallinari right behind? All right? 762 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:52,119 Who else would it be if you ever play for the Knicks? But maybe 763 00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:58,440 all right? Moving on? Uh so this is this shouldn't be oversized shorts. 764 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,760 Uh oh, there's so many guys you think of. I gotta I 765 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:09,800 want to nail this one. Actually, I think of Lebron because when you 766 00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:15,599 came in the league had some big shorts. Everybody had big, really big 767 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:19,159 shorts. Though, Like I'm trying to think, who else does anyone come 768 00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:22,039 to mind for you? That's such a thing of that era though, TJ 769 00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:28,480 Ford, Alan Iverson, Yeah, that photo of I think it's a I 770 00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:31,119 and J R. Smith like playing pool as members of the Nuggets. Have 771 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:35,159 you ever seen it? Uh huh, you just have giant shorts. Pull 772 00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:39,599 it up. Maybe Alan Iverson's not in it, but they're both wearing like 773 00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:47,159 these massive Oh no, here it is like just like Jenko shorts. All 774 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,920 right sharing this. You know what Jenko is was? Was Jenko a thing 775 00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:54,519 in New York? Yeah, oh it was a thing. Yeah. Look 776 00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:59,519 at those shorts. Those are like pants man like, Yeah, look at 777 00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:02,719 a low They're just so baggy. That's clearly like a media day thing too, 778 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,239 Like that's they're doing that on purpose. That's that's never ye. You 779 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:12,880 know what apropos of this, Longer shorts are coming back. We were in 780 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,719 we were at peak short shorts was like a year and a half ago, 781 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,880 maybe two. Some guys still go with the really short ones now, but 782 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,119 I think you're seeing, like like Brook Lopez, the shorts are past the 783 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:27,280 knees now. Man, it's coming. The longer shorts are making a little 784 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,679 bit of a comeback. We may never see the iverson j R. Smith 785 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,119 short length again, though you're pretty clairvoyant. The final one of this block 786 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,679 was short shorts. As I was saying short shorts, I thought of Jordan 787 00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:44,280 Pool because Jordan Poole was may still have short shorts, but he really went 788 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:49,719 short. Also, remember, wasn't there like a weekend Lakers game like recently 789 00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:53,280 in which they were like it's throwback night, let's wear shorts and jerseys from 790 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,239 the eighties or whatever, and I think they changed the shorts at halftime because 791 00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,159 all the players are like, this is ridiculous. Do you remember that feeling? 792 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,119 No, not that long ago, so sure someone can look that up. 793 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,159 I obviously think of like Larry Bird and Magic Johnson are the first names 794 00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:12,960 that come to mind. There were also these I can't remember how many years 795 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,119 ago, and I can't find it. I'll try and say Grizzly. There's 796 00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:22,679 like a Grizzly short shorts that looked like aggressively short. I mean that I 797 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,760 think it might have been more in college because but like five years ago, 798 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,639 I distinctly remember saying that several people like of all the trends to come back, 799 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,360 like cyclically, I did not have short shorts on my bingo card, 800 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,719 but they really did. They really did for a while there. Okay, 801 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,119 this this final block, I don't think it's gonna take you as long. 802 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,920 Scoop lay up. Oh man, uh Donovan Mitchell, it's a good one. 803 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:52,800 Best in game dunker, Oh man. I mean Vince Carter. I 804 00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:54,719 like, if it's word association, I have to say Vince Carter. I 805 00:53:54,760 --> 00:54:02,159 don't know who else you could mention Windmill. Vin Carter could be Vince Carter 806 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,280 again. I feel like we should go a different direction there. How about 807 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,280 strom Mile Swift? Holy fuck, feel like he had some windmills in there. 808 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,599 He had he has stroml Swift had one of the best dunks of like 809 00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:19,360 the last thirty years, where he like, it's a tip dunk, I 810 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,400 think, and he takes it down like to his waist and puts it back 811 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,880 in. I'm sure somebody it's probably in standard definition somewhere, but you could 812 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:34,280 find it. Bounce pass hmm, Steve Nash, him, Magic Johnson, 813 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,119 j Kid I think would be the names that should first come. And finally, 814 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:44,320 Butterfingers. I feel like I really want to get this one right. 815 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,360 I mean, James Wiseman, that's the name that I was like, he's 816 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,119 gonna pick James Watson. He just can't catch some basketball, whether it's thrown 817 00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:53,440 to him, whether it's a rebound, just he couldn't catch it. Oh 818 00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:58,000 man, all right, I got some for you, and I may skip 819 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,840 a couple because we might have some overlap, which is terrifying that we separately 820 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:07,239 did. Word Butterfingers are on there. No, it's no all right? 821 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:15,039 You ready? Yeah, corner three. Oh god, ray Allen Okay, 822 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:16,599 yeah, oh yeah, great answer. I was thinking PJ. Tucker. 823 00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:20,239 But Ray Allen is clearly the answer there. You have to actually take the 824 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,440 corner three. Well, PJ. Tucker is in the corner. There's just 825 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:32,119 a lot. Darren Williams, uh short, prime, underrated, h Jerry 826 00:55:32,159 --> 00:55:36,800 Sloan CP three. Come remember the debate, is it Darren Williams or CP 827 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,719 three is the best point guard in the league. I mean, not only 828 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,400 at the draft, but like for a couple of years. Oh yeah, 829 00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:45,960 you were like because I think Williams probably this is probably when we were a 830 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,519 little dumber, but like, I think Williams had the bigger score. I'm 831 00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:52,519 sure he had the bigger scoring numbers. Yeah, Like it was a yeah. 832 00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,719 I wonder if we look back at that, should it have been a 833 00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,280 debate, Like I bet if you had to catch all metrics and all the 834 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,960 stuff, like Paul was just way better, but we were stupid. Good 835 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,039 answer, all right. The next one is gonna be best uniforms right now, 836 00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:10,400 which I guess you can do, but right now, I still it's 837 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:15,079 the Pacers in season Tournament City edition ones I think are the best ones. 838 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,719 I'm into it all right, So this is kind of this is more complicated 839 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:27,800 than a word association, but just barely Fox or Haliburton Haliburton. Isn't that 840 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,599 a hard one? Oh my god, I think it's Halliburton. I think 841 00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:37,440 it's Haliburton, but I mean deeron Fox is really good and has already made 842 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,280 an All NBA team then probably will do it again. I just think, 843 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,599 isn't Halliburton the guy that's like he's transformative and Fox is really really great, 844 00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:51,320 but he doesn't quite rise to the level of transformative unless I mean you could 845 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:59,159 credit him. I hate you forgiving me that. Sorrymates, Yeah, wouldn't 846 00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:01,840 it be weird? Well? Actually, like we're not getting this version of 847 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,599 either of these guys as teammates, right, Like, it's just not possible. 848 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,039 Maybe you get this good of a version of Fox, but I don't 849 00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:12,039 think you could have Haliburton doing this with it. Oh he's become too central. 850 00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:17,159 Yeah for sure. Favorite mascot, Oh stuff, the magic Dragon, 851 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,079 best great name right just right off the bat, that's the branding is part 852 00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:25,840 of it. Yeah sure. And also just like him being under Aaron Gordon 853 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,480 under that like iconic dunk from the dunk contest. Yeah, just like that 854 00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:34,800 tattooed to memory. I do like the Spurs coyote. Uh, just because 855 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,039 the eyes are so weird. He reminds me of crash Bandicoot. Yes, 856 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:44,199 it's like a dead ringer for crash bandic the inflatable Toronto Raptors mascot that like 857 00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:46,400 hops around like that swallows people. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a sucker for 858 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:51,280 the inflatable mascot. Those are always always Which game was I watching? It 859 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,280 was Washington? Who did they lose to the other night? Because in Washington 860 00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:58,119 New Orleans, I didn't play. I don't understand what happened at halftimes. 861 00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:00,760 I wasn't paying attention. We you and I get like the league feed and 862 00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:06,079 there was a mascot battle, and like, okay, it's in Washington, 863 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,639 so you have Washington's there, and then the capitals from the NHL is there, 864 00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:14,199 but like the Houston Texans mascot was there, and it was just like 865 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,719 there was all these other random I was like, what, I don't My 866 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,159 wife asked me about it. I was like, honestly, I have no 867 00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:22,480 fucking clue what's halfpening right now? My head was down working on something. 868 00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:24,800 But I still don't know if anyone was watching that game. Why was the 869 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,360 Houston Texans like the Texans playing the Commanders or something? Is there like the 870 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,559 supply closet in the arena somewhere where they're just like, look at all these 871 00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:36,159 what can we do with these guys? Look? This week is the Tennessee's. 872 00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,360 I don't know what was going on. I mean, the cost alone 873 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:43,840 of flying up all these people to be in it was honestly one of the 874 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,760 most and you know how random halftime shows going? Yeah, yeah, Actually, 875 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,559 I was having the conversation about halftime shows the other day, like it 876 00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:55,199 seems like there's like twenty different acts now that just are that just cycle through 877 00:58:55,239 --> 00:59:00,239 arenas. Like you get the guys uh throwing around those yoyo's on the strings 878 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,800 with like the led lights on him. You get the guy with the little 879 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,239 dog that crawls around on him while he balances upside down, you get the 880 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,079 quick change, you get Red Panda. I don't know if Red Panda's still 881 00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:14,440 going. But you know who I haven't seen this year that I don't know 882 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,400 what name because I just I try not to pay what I'm like when the 883 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,360 games aren't hot, I'm trying to get work done. Like what it's not 884 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,599 life play. The guy who did the chairs was all over the place on 885 00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:27,679 the chairs. Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen him either, but there's 886 00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:31,840 not I think maybe the NBA is like, we need to like streamline this 887 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:37,000 process. Let's contract with twenty different acts and they just fly around arenas like 888 00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:40,880 we know, work like that. I think it's been very much. Uh 889 00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:46,000 Like, I think they realize that weird plays over a nostalgia because you can't 890 00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:50,079 just have like job rule in Milwaukee doing the halftime show. It just doesn't 891 00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:52,480 work out. I mean you could. He's probably not busy, but not 892 00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:57,000 everybody's Do you not remember that the job? The job? Every time I 893 00:59:57,079 --> 00:59:59,880 see like a musical because there still are some of those, like a musical 894 01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:04,000 act, and like at halftime, it's so sad man, nobody's in the 895 01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:07,320 seats, like they're just like shuffling around out there. It's like a rough 896 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:12,360 it's a rough. Look I'm gonna I'm gonna. Oh. There's like a 897 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,239 voice over I want you to find I want to find the the equip of 898 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:21,079 the jaw rule thing and have you what what year are we talking about here? 899 01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:24,039 This was from so I'm looking on Twitter that was twenty nineteen. Okay, 900 01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:30,000 let's so, let's let me throw this up on the screen and hope 901 01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:34,239 you'll be able to hear it. So jaw Rule in Milwaukee is absolutely hysterical. 902 01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:42,360 My album came out in ninety nine, so I guess that counts. 903 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:57,039 Say it says we ready, here comes? Are we ready? We're not 904 01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:08,559 ready? I don't think anyone this is gonna be our least downloaded watched episode. 905 01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:13,480 Were just like, I mean, that was sad from the jump because 906 01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:17,760 it was dead silent. It's dead silent. Oh man, all right, 907 01:01:19,039 --> 01:01:22,800 okay, I got okay, here we go. You know what the movie 908 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,159 I think of? You remember the movie he was in? Was it Cradle 909 01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:27,599 to the Grave. He was also in a Fast and Furious movie, but 910 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,079 I used to love Cradle to the Grave. I think that's the one. 911 01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:32,360 It was like him in DMX, If I'm not mistaken, DMX was definitely 912 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,360 Incredle to the Grave. That is correct. Oh my god? All right, 913 01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:42,480 okay, next step from Halliburton, I don't know, halftime act favorite 914 01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:46,320 Macot and then we're talking about we wound up a job rule in Cradle to 915 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,519 the Grave. Shout out us. Just a lot of breadth of conversation. 916 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:55,159 All right, kicked ball yo kich Yep, that's the only I mean, 917 01:01:55,199 --> 01:02:02,920 he's weaponized it. Uh. Name three great Tony's great? Like they had 918 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,639 to be like just played in like three great Tonys, like in any sport 919 01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:10,679 in the NBA, Like what Well, first of all, it's the word 920 01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:14,239 association. There are no questions. Loud. I shouldn't have said great, 921 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:20,880 Give me three NBA Tonys. How about Tony Allen? Oh good one Anthony 922 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,639 Mason. People called him Tony. I feel like that shouldn't count. Oh 923 01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:30,599 my god, how many Tonys have you even played in the league. I'm 924 01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:34,519 thinking I can think of two more. There's a Spurs Tony. You gotta 925 01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:37,000 get that one. Oh my god, Tony Parker. Yeah. Absolutely, 926 01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:49,039 there's like a Tony Douglas. Yea Tony Douglass. I mean like Antonio mcdce, 927 01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,679 we get do it. I mean that I want Anthony Mason to count. 928 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,119 Yeah, you can have Anthony Mason. He's I mean Anthony. Yeah, 929 01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:59,920 that's a Tony all right, Andrew Tony apparently played in the Yeah, 930 01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:07,000 ready for the next week. Tony played in the G League. Who audissee 931 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,960 Tony. Now, you're just making names up. That's not in the spirit 932 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,519 of the game. Uh, Scoot Henderson, Oh my god, we forgot 933 01:03:16,039 --> 01:03:23,079 like Tony delk Tony Tony Kuk coach. Ooh that's a debatable Tony. That's 934 01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:25,559 t o n I. I don't know about that one. All right, 935 01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:30,840 fin alright, sorry, please carry all right, there's no transition here. 936 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:38,079 Scoot Henderson fast, motherfucker. I was gonna go with like kind of bummed 937 01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:42,280 because I really thought, I mean, it's been injury, but like, 938 01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:49,360 yeah, first of all, the Blazers just like hang around in these games. 939 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,239 They have no business being and I love it. The full strength Blazers 940 01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:54,559 are fun and they're also getting like Dwop Wreath is just playing these minutes and 941 01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:58,000 you could I tweeted this the other day where you watch him in space you 942 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:03,280 can hear him thinking that. You could hear him thinking like, Scoot Heerson 943 01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:08,320 hit this like step back against the Clippers defense, like he's gonna be really 944 01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,320 good. You gotta you need to chill over here, Gilbert Renez, I 945 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,159 be just fine, okay good because I just you know, I do this. 946 01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:17,559 I'm like, I'm Scoot Henderson is gonna be the best point guard prospect 947 01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:20,119 since whatever. And then when he's not immediately that, I'm like, oh, 948 01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:24,199 I don't know anything anymore. Yeah, you have shifted because you were 949 01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:27,719 saying, Scoot Henderson's gonna be on my Mount Rushmore, yeah, versus now 950 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,639 I'm kind of bub Schoot Henderson's played like, I mean, I'm bummed because 951 01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:32,840 I thought that he was gonna be so great and then he wasn't immediately. 952 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,880 What don't please? I don't want to have to wait for anything ever. 953 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:41,000 I want him to be I want him to be a knowing that Shade Sharp 954 01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:45,119 exists and he's just like he's turned to the type of player where you can't 955 01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:47,920 look down at your screen or at your dog to see what they're chewing on, 956 01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:50,800 and because he'll just do something. You know, what I'm not excited 957 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:56,039 for is the world. I'm not sure how many months away we are, 958 01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,000 but when we start saying like, yeah, but he's not really much of 959 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,320 a defender, and I don't know if you can build like we're definitely not 960 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,559 you and I necessarily, but like, Shaden Sharp is so good and so 961 01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:08,320 dynamic, and that's going to be so well understood that we'll just start poking 962 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,679 holes pretty soon. Like we're almost like he might end up being like the 963 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:16,000 quintessential number two or two point five guy, which is fucking great, right, 964 01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:19,800 Yeah, No, that's awesome and like a super exciting version of that 965 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:25,639 player because I think he show more he can't when you when he's playing offenses 966 01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:28,639 at warp speed, it doesn't look good defensively for him, but like he 967 01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:30,800 can he can make plays when you give him time to set up, and 968 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,760 like that's a good stepping stone as a sophomore. Yeah, I think. 969 01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:38,280 I think, like I don't know how valuable like a three level scorer or 970 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,039 like that skill set, but like I like, I like his ability to 971 01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:44,360 create shots like from everywhere, like even in between his in between stuff is 972 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,000 like I didn't think that was going to be part of the package, but 973 01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:49,719 it seems pretty easy for him and off the ball, like it's not just 974 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,199 him getting put backs, like this is someone who can go around off the 975 01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:58,000 ball too. Yeah, uh two more here in this uh this block headband. 976 01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,320 Yeah, this isn't gonna make any sense, but Devin Booker, I 977 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,920 like I haven't gotten used to it. Whenever he's wearing his head band. 978 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,960 I think he's been wearing it a lot lately. Yeah, I wonder how 979 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,239 guys decide, like I'm gonna I'm gonna do the headband for a couple of 980 01:06:12,199 --> 01:06:15,199 weeks, be witch or have you seen wear a headband and stop that you 981 01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:18,119 wish kind of still wore a head band? Oh well, I mean my 982 01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:21,480 answer was gonna be Carmelo. It's just that's the first headband person I think 983 01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:25,679 of, so who stopped wearing the headband. I mean, Lebron was a 984 01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:29,760 head for a long time. I wish we could have seen Jordan in a 985 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,400 head band. Did Michael Jordan ever wear a head band? Let's see, 986 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:36,280 I don't think so. No, Almost nobody wore headbands. The headband had 987 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,079 like a minute there where a lot of it was really kind of a Lebron 988 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,159 the Lebron time, like because Jared Smith was a headband guy for a while, 989 01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:47,360 Josh Smith always was a headband guy. Trying to think who else didn't 990 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,800 The bowls I guess banned headbands at one point. Maybe that's why Jordan didn't 991 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:56,239 have one. It looks like, do you know what I was noticing? 992 01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,119 Who was playing in the Remember when they made the ron take off the black 993 01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:05,760 mask and that looked fucking cool the way when no, like because he broke 994 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,320 his nose or his face or something and they made him change Did they make 995 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,960 him change the mask? Everybody gets to wear the black mask now, like 996 01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:16,880 Jalen Brown. That aggravates me. Kyrie's done the black mask? Who else 997 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:21,039 has done the black mask? It was he made the color switch in response 998 01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:24,800 to a quest from the league office, which prefers the players to wear s 999 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,679 through masks. And I was just like, it didn't dawn on me until 1000 01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:31,119 I was watching the other night whoever was wearing a black mask? And I 1001 01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:33,360 don't. I think Jalen Brown has worn it, but it wasn't him. 1002 01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:38,039 Yeah, I was just like, what the fuck change his It's like the 1003 01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:41,360 default now he was what he was ahead of his time. All I'm not 1004 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:47,239 angry though. It was my boy last one, Josh Smith, Adam Frammell. 1005 01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,880 Was he like really? Was he super high on Josh Smith? Or 1006 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:56,280 did he hate him? It was both? Right? You know, it's 1007 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,920 always one after the other. You got to run the gamut of our oceans. 1008 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,519 When to come do you remember the Stin's just decided to give them all 1009 01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,880 that money and their roster which is not built for it. Shout out stand 1010 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,679 Ban Gundy. Yeah, that was fun. That's why we don't have head 1011 01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:11,400 coaches and executives anymore. There's two separate jobs. That's all I got for 1012 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,599 stat padding. I got a few other things. But if you want to 1013 01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:16,399 jump back in, go for it. Yes, we have a theme here 1014 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:24,359 rookie stat records. So these all date back. There's obviously years that aren't 1015 01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:30,960 captured in certain stats, but grant which NBA rookie holds the record for the 1016 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:38,520 most total points total points, Kareem abdul Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, 1017 01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:44,359 or Shaquille O'Neal total points, So we're gonna need Oh man, when 1018 01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:48,479 did Jordan break his foot second season? So it could be him is in 1019 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:55,000 fact on this list, so it could be. I'm never gonna get tired 1020 01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:58,680 of you letting me know that it could be someone on this list. Uh. 1021 01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:00,560 My favorite one is when you're like, is it close at least? 1022 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,279 And I always say, well, yeah, but there's only one right after 1023 01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:11,479 wrong, I'm gonna say, I just feel like I might reveal myself to 1024 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,159 be an idiot here. I'm gonna say Kareem because I think he won MVP 1025 01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:15,760 as a rookie, and I don't know if that's true, but I'll say 1026 01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,399 Kareem, that is incorrect. I thought you were gonna get this one. 1027 01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:23,840 Wilt Chamberlain had two thousand, seven hundred and seven points, which is more 1028 01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:28,359 which about four hundred more on record than any other rookie. Kareem was second 1029 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,239 twenty three sixty one, Jordan was third at twenty three thirteen. Shack was 1030 01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:35,279 not even close. Uh he is eighteen ninety three. And by the way, 1031 01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:39,479 they were only like within this group, Shaq wasn't even in like the 1032 01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:45,600 top four overall. That's gotta be one of the first ones where if Wilt 1033 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,720 is on the list, you should just say Wilt basically, and it was. 1034 01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:51,960 But then like he's never he like doesn't win a lot of these. 1035 01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:56,640 But I should have I did. I should have just gone with my gut 1036 01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,279 there, all right. I'm still I'm I'm frazzled because I'm looking up to 1037 01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:01,960 see if the Kareem won MVP is a rookie and I can't find it. 1038 01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:10,159 Which NBA rookie holds the record for most total rebounds. Wilt Chamberlain, Tim 1039 01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:14,840 Duncan, Blake Griffin or Shaquille O'Neal. It's it. It'd better be Will 1040 01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:20,239 Chamberlain or I'm gonna be mad by a lot and forty one rebounds which NBA, 1041 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,640 Oh, go ahead, the numbers are so stupid. Back then, 1042 01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:30,760 go ahead. Which NBA rookie holds the record for the most total assists Mark 1043 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:36,520 Jackson, Chris Paul, Ben Simmons or Tray Young. I'm gonna say Trey 1044 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:43,560 Young that is incorrect. Mark Jackson eight hundred and sixty eight. Ben Simmons 1045 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,359 incredibly close at eight hundred and sixty one. That wild. So what do 1046 01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:49,239 you have? He avers ten assists, says a rookie Ben Simmons, Is 1047 01:10:49,239 --> 01:10:53,199 that what you're telling me? No, he played eighty seven games, so 1048 01:10:53,560 --> 01:11:00,439 that's that's unbelievable. Wow. Yeah, that was the one that like I 1049 01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,119 feel like I should have known. Yeah, you think that would have We 1050 01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:09,720 would have like cited that several times, right, So I was. I 1051 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,479 mean, I'll double check it live just in case you don't trust me, 1052 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:17,640 but I know Mark Jackson was one and let's see, so average eight point 1053 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:21,119 two assists in his rookie year. Quote unquote, since he was not a 1054 01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:25,560 rookie that second year. That is a typo. Ben Simmons was a six 1055 01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,399 sixty one. Okay, good, sorry, but he was still not the 1056 01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:33,159 right answer. I was still wrong. So yes, so Mark Jackson eight 1057 01:11:33,239 --> 01:11:39,880 sixty eight was the leader, which is just the second place guy. So 1058 01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,079 since because I have it up, Tim Hardaway was second at six. So 1059 01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:45,439 Mark Jackson eight sixty eight is a rookie. The next closest guy is Tim 1060 01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:51,279 Hardaway at six eighty nine. Wow, what a rookie year. That's bonkers. 1061 01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:55,880 I mean you're dealing with he was twenty two, but like that's still 1062 01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:00,960 pretty young? Yeah? Young? Or is that there went that man with 1063 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,520 all of his ten point six per game as a rookie for the Knicks. 1064 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:12,560 Okay, which NBA rookie holds the record for most total steals? Dudley Bradley, 1065 01:12:13,119 --> 01:12:17,840 Brevian Knight, Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan. Really running the gamut of 1066 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,720 you said you said a name that I have not heard before, Dudley Bradley. 1067 01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:29,000 Is that a real Does that guy have two first names? I need 1068 01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,039 to guess that just because why is it on here? Because I'll say Michael 1069 01:12:32,079 --> 01:12:34,920 Jordan. He had some crazy block and steel numbers early in his career. 1070 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:41,520 That is incorrect. It was Dudley Bradley. I included Brevian Knight to be 1071 01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,000 like because he's on he was in the top ten, I think, yeah, 1072 01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:49,279 But so Dudley Bradley two hundred and eleven and then Michael Jordan had one 1073 01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:54,600 ninety six. That's fourth most all time, tied with Brevian Knight. It's 1074 01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,520 pretty hard to come up with a name that I'm sure you'd never heard of. 1075 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,840 Dudley Bradley. I'm sure I've never heard of Dudley Bradley. That both 1076 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:05,359 of us just that's amazing. Wow, he had a lot of steals throughout 1077 01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:10,000 his career. This guy, this mystery Dudley Bradley. Person. Look see 1078 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,760 we're this this show is maybe not educational for the listeners, but for us, 1079 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:18,039 we're learning that players existed. Okay, which NBA rookie holds the record 1080 01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:24,560 for the most total blocks, Manu Bull, Hakima, LaJuan Shaquille O'Neal or 1081 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:30,399 David Robinson. Man, those are good. I just don't know if Bull 1082 01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,279 played enough as a rookie, but I'm sure per game his numbers were off 1083 01:13:33,279 --> 01:13:38,800 the charts. I will say Hakeem just because any defensive thing you can't be 1084 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,359 far off. I mean within the top four. If if I'm not right, 1085 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,800 I say Akeem, h, well, then you're wrong twice O. 1086 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,680 Hakeem was sixth with two hundred and twenty options you gave me. I was 1087 01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:57,640 within four so manut Bowl three hundred and ninety seven blocks. The next closest 1088 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,239 is David Robinson at three hundred and nineteen. God, so I've been having 1089 01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:04,800 a lot, a lot of instances of not trusting. My first instinct here 1090 01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:09,800 is you've really got me spun out. If it's any consolation, I think 1091 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,760 you get this one. Oh great, Okay, Which NBA rookie holds the 1092 01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:20,319 record for most total made three pointers Sadiq Bay, Damian Lillard, Donovan Mitchell 1093 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:27,039 or Keegan Murray. Oh, I think that's Keegan Murray correct two hundred and 1094 01:14:27,079 --> 01:14:30,520 six made threes. Donovan Mitchell is second at one eighty seven, Lillard is 1095 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,800 third all time at one eighty five, and Sadik Bay is fourth all time 1096 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,600 at one seventy five. I put the top four in there just because I 1097 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,199 was like, these are names that he could all be like yeah, all 1098 01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:42,479 right, I get it. Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah, what a 1099 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,359 season by Keigan Murray. I mean it's partly the era, but like still, 1100 01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:47,680 that's kind of amazing. Now, I'm not sure if you're gonna get 1101 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:54,520 these what I have two left? Yes, which NBA rookie holds the record 1102 01:14:54,520 --> 01:15:00,039 for the most total field goal attempts so shot attempts Alan Iverson, Lebron James, 1103 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:05,720 Michael Jordan, or Bernard King. I'm just gonna go with my gut 1104 01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:14,680 and say Iverson, that is incorrect. Bernard King one six hundred and sixty 1105 01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:18,079 five shot attempts as a run up, Bernard King, that's a lot of 1106 01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:24,199 shots. Uh yeah. And it was so like and it was marketed me 1107 01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:27,520 more. I believe I should sort it really quickly to make sure since I 1108 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,039 didn't have this one pulled up. It was it was like way more than 1109 01:15:31,399 --> 01:15:34,319 anybody else. I think Iverson was second. Oh no, Michael Jordan had 1110 01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:40,000 sixteen twenty five. He was fairly close that third, by the way, 1111 01:15:40,279 --> 01:15:44,600 shout out Ron Harper, love Ron Harper. Yeah, he Bernard King never 1112 01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,920 took more shots in a season than he did as a rookie. That's amazing, 1113 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,880 or scored more points. Oh he did one year, so okay actually 1114 01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:58,359 have two more left. This one is kind of just funny. Which NBA 1115 01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:04,119 rookie holds the record for the most total turnovers, Steve Francis, Ron Harper, 1116 01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:14,239 Allen Iverson or Trey Young oh Man. I'll say I gotta go with 1117 01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:18,720 Steve Francis. That is incorrect. It is Ron Harper at three forty five, 1118 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:23,640 just edged out Alan Iverson at three thirty seven. What was Ron Harper 1119 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:29,520 getting up to was this Clippers Ron Harper? Uhn Harper? Yeah, Kasron 1120 01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:34,439 Harper's sixty four minutes he played that year only four point two per game. 1121 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:40,720 That's crazy to think that he became like a like a real steadying influence on 1122 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,840 those Championship Bulls teams. It's just like we could trust Ron Harper to just 1123 01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:49,760 do the right thing, not at first Okay final one, which NBA player 1124 01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:55,199 holds. Which NBA rookie holds the record for the most personal fouls in a 1125 01:16:55,239 --> 01:17:01,680 single season, is it Steve Johnson, Tom Chamber, Ralph Sampson or Hikeem 1126 01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:06,840 Olajuan. I'm gonna double down on my incorrect guests from earlier and say, 1127 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:12,600 Hikim Olajuan that is incorrect. It's Steve Johnson three hundred and seventy two personal 1128 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,800 fouls across seventy eight games. You want to know, it's even more impressive. 1129 01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:20,319 He did three hundred and seventy two fouls in one thousand, seven hundred 1130 01:17:20,319 --> 01:17:24,560 and forty minutes. Do you know what that works out to per thirty six 1131 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:30,479 Oh? Is it like Mitchell Robinson three years ago? Territory evan point seven 1132 01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,880 fouls per thirty six minutes? It's pretty good. Hey, he's very active, 1133 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,520 Steve Johnson. Say what you want about Steve Johnson. He doesn't he 1134 01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:41,279 doesn't give up easy shots. Very active out there. That's ten people that 1135 01:17:41,359 --> 01:17:44,640 I haven't ever heard of, by the way, Steve Johnson and Dudley Bradley 1136 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,000 so far. Uh, that is it from me? By the way, 1137 01:17:47,039 --> 01:17:48,640 I don't know if you have more, If you want to take us out 1138 01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,279 of here, let me know. Let's see which of these do I want 1139 01:17:51,319 --> 01:18:00,680 to? Okay, Dan, who has the most consecutive fifty point games other 1140 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:06,960 than Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Lebron, James Kobe Bryant, or Anton 1141 01:18:08,039 --> 01:18:15,760 Jamison the most consecutive fifty point games. I'm just gonna say Michael Jordan. 1142 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:21,399 Close. Michael Jordan has three, Kobe Bryant has four. He's the answer. 1143 01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:28,640 Yes, wow, all right, I'll give you four choices. You 1144 01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:33,039 got to name the active player with the with that that actually has one set 1145 01:18:33,079 --> 01:18:40,680 of consecutive fifty point games? Luca, James Harden, Jason Tatum, or 1146 01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,760 Steph Curry. Which of those has consecutive fifty point games? We've had at 1147 01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:51,039 least two straight fifty point games, Luca, Steph Harden, Tatum, Tate, 1148 01:18:53,800 --> 01:19:00,359 you have no idea. I'm going to say James Harden. Correct, 1149 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,079 he has like he's on that list when you do Basketball Reference, he's got 1150 01:19:03,239 --> 01:19:06,479 several like two to two, two too two, he's done. He's back 1151 01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,960 to back to a few times. All right, same question, which active 1152 01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,560 player has consecutive fifty point games? Devin Booker, Joel Embiid, Kyrie Irving 1153 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:20,039 or Kevin Durant. Why is this so fucking hard? I'm gonna say not 1154 01:19:20,199 --> 01:19:25,760 Kevin Durant. Correct, not Kevin Durant. Hell, Yeah, which leaves 1155 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,520 me with you got a one in three shot. Now, I don't know 1156 01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,960 we could do this. I know we could rule guys out, which leads 1157 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:38,359 me with who Devin Booker, Booker, Embiid Kyrie, Uh Embiid It's Booker, 1158 01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:44,279 Damn It always Booker always, Yeah, it's always Booker, all right, 1159 01:19:44,399 --> 01:19:47,560 same question, which of these active players has consecutive fifty point games? 1160 01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:56,680 John Morant, Donovan Mitchell, Dame Lillard, Shake Gil Just Alexander, Donod, 1161 01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:04,279 Mitchell Shay, Dame Lillard. Uh jaw it is not Jaw, correct, 1162 01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:12,079 it is where the options again, Dame Shay and Mitchell Mitchell. It's 1163 01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:16,279 Dame last one, because there turns out there have not been a lot of 1164 01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:25,680 consecutive fifty point games among active players. Who's had consecutive fifty spots Clay Russ 1165 01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:40,199 Westbrook, Bradley Beal or Jannis Clay Jannis, Russell Westbrook or Beale, Clay, 1166 01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:45,800 Jannis Russell, I'm gonna say Russell Westbrook, it's Bill. It is 1167 01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,520 hard because every single one of those guys you could talk yourself into like, 1168 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:53,439 yeah, I remember when they did that, except it's just the Bill one. 1169 01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:57,560 I barely I do like have a vague recollection of No that was if 1170 01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,399 I would have done the oh I'm not picking this guy have been oh really 1171 01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,439 Yeah, Well that's why he's like he's a weird outlier because you don't think 1172 01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:08,000 of him, although he did average like over thirty at least once. Right, 1173 01:21:09,399 --> 01:21:13,279 All right, let's see I have some general silliness for you. Dan. 1174 01:21:13,319 --> 01:21:15,479 Would you rather be involved in a third quarter tie up with Draymond Green 1175 01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:24,520 or guard SGA wearing roller skates? Oh, I'd rather be involved in a 1176 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,079 third quarter tie up with Raymond Green because there's a chance that I end up 1177 01:21:28,359 --> 01:21:31,119 helping my team as a result, because he will get ejected and suspended. 1178 01:21:31,399 --> 01:21:33,880 Yeah, your shit out of luck on roller skates, Your shit out of 1179 01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:38,439 luck with shoes on against SGA. So good, good choice. Dan. 1180 01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,560 Would you rather try to hold back an enraged Giannis seeking a game ball or 1181 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,640 be the person he thinks has the game ball? Ooh, think about it. 1182 01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:56,720 I don't. I'd rather hold him back because he's not actively trying to 1183 01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,520 hurt the person who's Even if you're unsuccessful, the person who has the game 1184 01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:04,000 ball stands to get hurt. See, it's the total risk analysis. I'm 1185 01:22:04,039 --> 01:22:09,880 going the other way because I think trying to hold him back like he's gonna 1186 01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,920 be flailing. He's already like you could really, you know, get a 1187 01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,279 shoulder popped out, break some fingers trying to grab him. You're not gonna 1188 01:22:16,319 --> 01:22:19,520 be able to one. You can't hold that guy back, like he's just 1189 01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:24,039 he's an enormous person and is a great if you have If he thinks you 1190 01:22:24,119 --> 01:22:28,199 have the game ball, there's a chance that you won. He's actually not 1191 01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:31,279 going to kill you like he because he'll you know, he'll realize I can't 1192 01:22:31,319 --> 01:22:34,920 just kill this person. And also you could be like put your hands up 1193 01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,319 and say I don't have it, and maybe he'll just go to the next 1194 01:22:38,399 --> 01:22:40,840 one. You can just drop it, run away and he'll take get a 1195 01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,079 ball, throw it one way and run the other. A lot of options. 1196 01:22:44,199 --> 01:22:46,680 I feel like you're gonna get hurt trying to hold him back. All 1197 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:51,680 right, let's see last one. What other sport do you think Nikola Jokic 1198 01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:57,079 would be best at? Darts, ping pong, volleyball, or water polo? 1199 01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,159 Water polo? I think that's like there's kind of not a wrong answer, 1200 01:23:00,279 --> 01:23:04,479 but just because his precision and just like that is going to involve the 1201 01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:09,199 he's in fantastic shape. But of all the ones you named, aside from 1202 01:23:09,239 --> 01:23:12,239 darts, that's gonna involve the least amount of cardio in it, and his 1203 01:23:12,319 --> 01:23:15,479 size will also help him in water polo, where darts could either go, 1204 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:20,359 and the fact that he's going up against defenders in water polo technically, I 1205 01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:26,039 just plus he like does the water polo throw where you're like cupping it back 1206 01:23:26,119 --> 01:23:30,039 and forth just in basketball, I do. I am intrigued about ping pong 1207 01:23:30,079 --> 01:23:32,720 though, because he would just be so like loose and like hitting it off 1208 01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:38,520 the wrong too long, because he's so big and long that it would take 1209 01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,640 him too long to like get his paddle motions like during these Yeah, I 1210 01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,119 think you know it would be complicated, but I bet too he would have 1211 01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:48,920 the ability to like anticipate where you were going to move and hit it somewhere 1212 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:55,560 else, Like he would just understand where you're gonna be should serve. Oh 1213 01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,680 yeah, it'd be so deceptive. Everything he would do as a ping pong 1214 01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,079 player would be just like it would never be spinning the direction you thought it 1215 01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:04,720 would be. He would be pretty brutal. There, do I have any 1216 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,920 I got some other dumb bullshit? How about this? This is called just 1217 01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:18,079 wondering would y'ao be better or worse in today's game? Ooh, I don't 1218 01:24:18,079 --> 01:24:23,720 know, I think he would be worse just because it would be easier to 1219 01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,840 exploit him on the defensive end because he just wasn't Like, yeah, I 1220 01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,119 think that's right. Like you kind of you think of Brook Lopez because you 1221 01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:33,880 think of a lumbering guy, but like so big that it's like for him 1222 01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:38,079 to drop down into a stance would take like eight years. Yeah, and 1223 01:24:38,079 --> 01:24:41,960 Lopez is really just the exception for someone that big, like surviving in the 1224 01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,199 modern game. Yeah, but yeah, I mean you could envision a version 1225 01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:48,960 of Y'ao that's shooting like eight threes a game, but the defense, You're 1226 01:24:49,039 --> 01:24:51,119 right, I think it is the defense. I think that's right. Okay, 1227 01:24:51,399 --> 01:24:59,720 Just wondering what about Shack better or worse in today's game. I think 1228 01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:04,520 it depends on which version of Shack just probably be worse because like, no 1229 01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:09,119 offense is run the way that he was used to, and like, does 1230 01:25:09,159 --> 01:25:13,840 he have the ability to adapt as a high screener and roller or let alone 1231 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,239 a shooter at his falcony becomes more of a liability because of what we know 1232 01:25:17,239 --> 01:25:21,680 about the hacker rules and the ways that you can double him anywhere on the 1233 01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,520 floor, you know, and the way you can camp gout like. I 1234 01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,720 think it's just you can zone up more if you want to, where there's 1235 01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:32,079 just like four bodies around him. Orlando Magic Shack would be interesting today, 1236 01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:35,319 Yeah, the most mobile version of Shack, because that guy could just I 1237 01:25:35,399 --> 01:25:39,199 mean, he'd be kind of like young I mean, he'd be a bigger 1238 01:25:39,319 --> 01:25:42,479 Yannis on the roll, which was just like you couldn't do anything with that. 1239 01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,159 But I don't have like the handle of Giannis or like a swimmer z 1240 01:25:45,159 --> 01:25:49,279 Ion though I don't think so. Yeah, I think it's I think you're 1241 01:25:49,359 --> 01:25:54,079 you'd be hard pressed to find like the really big physical center that would be 1242 01:25:54,079 --> 01:25:57,560 better off today. I think like someone like a La Juan probably, or 1243 01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,199 like David Robinson, like the really hyper athletic mobile guys. You mean James 1244 01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:05,800 Wiseman one point, David. Yeah, the James Wiseman's like the blueprint for 1245 01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:11,560 James Wiseman basically would do really well today. That's all I got, unless 1246 01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,720 you got anything else we can put you ready to know, Please take us 1247 01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,159 out of here, everybody. Thank you. 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