1 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,959 A week and a half ago, I heard Scars from my Doggy Encounter as 2 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,040 part one. The guest was Trevor on that show. When he got done 3 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:38,120 talking about his fourth encounter, we were about an hour in, so I 4 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,079 decided to call it on tonight show. He's going to talk about his fifth 5 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:46,439 encounter and answer some questions about all of his encounters. So if that didn't 6 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:52,920 he further Ado, Let's get to it now. My fifth encounter happened right 7 00:01:52,920 --> 00:02:00,920 before my twenty first birthday. It was September of twenty eight. Me and 8 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:07,239 my girlfriend at the time. She liked to go out in nature and she 9 00:02:07,359 --> 00:02:12,520 liked to go hiking, but she had boarism, so she could only do 10 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:19,719 so much before her back would start hurting. So there's this trail in peer 11 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:25,479 markt State Park that people who live around here know about it. It's more 12 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:31,800 of like the locals used it to go hiking more so than the tourists and 13 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:38,439 stuff, because they had specific trails for these types of people, So it 14 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:44,080 was one of those off the beaten normal trails. She likes seeing nature, 15 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:49,120 so I washed mine and her clothes and like that thing that gets rid of 16 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:53,520 the human scent, the body wash and the deodorant and for the clothes and 17 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,800 stuff, so it gets rid of like the human smell the hunters used to 18 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,280 bring in the animal closer. So that's what I did to mine in her 19 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,000 clothes that we were going to wear that day, so we could actually see 20 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:13,039 fear and some of the birds and squirrels and so on and so forth. 21 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:23,680 So we're hiking, I would say, we're probably not even quarter a mile 22 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,800 up the trail, and when her back started hurting and me and her stop, 23 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,400 She's like, I'm gonna go get the car and I'll meet you at 24 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,199 the top. Because there was like there were roads going through because there was 25 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,120 like it's kind of like the halfway point between some of these trails, this 26 00:03:39,319 --> 00:03:44,879 road where you could park and hike down the hill and then hike down the 27 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:47,599 bluff back up the bluff to go back to your car or whatever. Or 28 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,639 you could hike start from the bottom, work all the way to the top 29 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,240 of the bluff, and then walk all the way back down. Anyway, 30 00:03:55,439 --> 00:03:59,520 She's like, I'm gonna go get the car and I'll meet you at the 31 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,680 top. I'm like, okay, that sounds good. I understand. You 32 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:05,360 know, you're hurting and everything. I'll meet you at the top. So 33 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:13,800 she goes back down the trail and I keep going. I'm still probably a 34 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:18,360 good twenty five minutes from the top or so. But there was like an 35 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:24,000 outcropping. It was kind of like an outcropping in a bluff where it had 36 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,240 like it had to It looked like like a little cave that was like dug 37 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,160 into the bluff, but it wasn't like an actual cave. It was more 38 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:35,079 like an outcropping. They had support beans in it to help hold up the 39 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:41,319 top so people could sit in the shade on this trail. The bench was 40 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:47,720 like five feet or so away from the trail inside this little outcropping. I 41 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:51,399 got to that point and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna stop, take 42 00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:57,800 a break, get a drink of water. So I go in there and 43 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,360 I sit and I'm just listening to nature. One minute, there was birds, 44 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,920 and then all of a sudden it was dead silent, like you could 45 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:12,279 hear like a pen drop silent. So I'm like, this is weird, 46 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,399 but nothing out of the ordinary. Because I knew there was kayots. I 47 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:21,600 grew up in this area. I knew there was kayos and kyots aren't dangerous 48 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:27,040 unless they're in a pack where it's a mother. So I'm like, Okay, 49 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,120 it must be just a kyote or a pack of coyotes just passing through. 50 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:34,600 They're not gonna bother me in this outcopying because I'm not gonna make any 51 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:43,399 noise or give them any reason to bother me. I would say thirty seconds 52 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:51,839 to a minute. The smell of like rock, like a carcass being out 53 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:59,800 in the sun on the side of the road for months, even ten days 54 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:06,680 in the hot sun, kind of rot smell, And when I smelt it, 55 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:15,279 my blood went cold. I felt like my soul was getting sucked out 56 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:21,240 of my body. And the smell kept getting stronger and stronger, and then 57 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:27,480 next thing I hear on top of the smell was boom, boom boom, 58 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:32,800 like elephants walking kind of sound. It was shaking the ground. It was 59 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:38,920 shaking the top of the outcropping, and I just hear it and it starts 60 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:45,680 getting off, it starts walking over top of this outcropping, and I'm like, 61 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:51,600 I'm too scared to leave this outcropping or to run. When I first 62 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,319 smelt it, I'm like, I'm going to be better off staying right here. 63 00:06:57,879 --> 00:07:00,800 I think that was just the primal instinct will be like, you're better 64 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,680 off not trying to run, because then that makes you look like prey, 65 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:13,160 and if you make any noise, you're gonna be prey. So first thing 66 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:20,959 I see after hearing and smelling all this, I see one paul or paul 67 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:30,439 or hand with black daggers just wrap it look like it's right right or left 68 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:36,399 hand wraps around the top of the outcropping and has the daggers pointing in. 69 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:51,279 I stop freezing, and then the other hand comes around that top of the 70 00:07:51,319 --> 00:08:03,160 outcropy, and then I see it's head start coming down and it kind of 71 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:11,279 peered into the outcroppy and it was sniffing the air as it was looking into 72 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:28,639 the outcrop, and it had like the wolf like face. Its eyes looked 73 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:37,600 like a kind of like reddish color, and it had the normal wolf looking 74 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,679 face, had like the doverman pinch your ears on top, but they were 75 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:48,799 kind of more they weren't up, they were slanted back. And then it 76 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:58,440 jumped down and it shook the top of this outcroppy like a little peb a 77 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:03,960 rock probably really the size of like a quarter fella. Hit me in the 78 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:11,320 head, but I couldn't react because my body just went into instinctive be like 79 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,799 the rest of everything around you, be silent. Me still. And it's 80 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:22,360 standing on this trail blocking the entrance to the outcropping. The entrance of this 81 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:30,360 outcropping is like five feet away from where I'm sitting, and it's like kind 82 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,639 of not standing completely up on its hime legs, but it's like kind of 83 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:43,519 hunched, like hunched over. But it's front arms weren't touching the ground, 84 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:50,200 or in the front hands or paws or claws whatever weren't touching the ground. 85 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,840 They were like covering like two or three inches off the ground. It was 86 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:09,360 kind of it had it had matted like blood on its hands and arms, 87 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:18,320 kind of like on the under part of it's like jaw and kind of up 88 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:28,440 underneath like where it's nose was had like matted blood and you know, visceral 89 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:37,080 and it was sniffing the air, and then it would bend down without touching 90 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,480 its front Paul's touching in the ground in front of it. It would start 91 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:46,320 stemming like towards the ground. Then when I go back out and starts sniff 92 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:52,320 in the air, I felt like I was in a freezer. That's how 93 00:10:52,519 --> 00:11:03,440 cold my blood was going. It had the body of like a body builder. 94 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:11,960 It was take the biggest bodybuilder you could think of, whether it's from 95 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,679 the eighties all the way up until now. It was that ever bit of 96 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:26,759 that big. It's arms, its arms could easily reach me if it knew. 97 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,639 It probably knew I was there. But if it, if it could 98 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,080 just by the length of the arms, it could easily reach in there and 99 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:41,399 grab anything that could be in there. It's fur was like black, and 100 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,720 then as it came down its back there was like kind of like an arrow, 101 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:54,399 and then it had like you could see like a skin. It was 102 00:11:54,480 --> 00:12:01,519 like black skin, and it had like nicks and cut scars on it, 103 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,519 like you know when you you know you're running through the underbrush, you're getting 104 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:11,240 cut by like thorns and stuff like that. And if it being that big, 105 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:16,559 it probably is hitting sticks and stuff too, and it's probably scratching it 106 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,639 and leaving scars and whatever it's hunting could also put up a fighting league of 107 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:28,919 scars. So then it comes down and it basically had a strip of fur 108 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,759 rining its spine, and then it went into its like tail and it was 109 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:46,120 kind of like a wolf tail, but not as bushy. And then down 110 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:54,919 to its lower parts, it had like the dog like legs, and it's 111 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:03,799 genitalia were huge, and it was a male. Its teeth were like yellowly 112 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:11,759 white stained a little bit. If it was standing completely straight up, I 113 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:16,559 could It was probably easily eight nine feet tall, but it was like kind 114 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:24,240 of hunched over, so I can't I don't really know. And it sat 115 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,600 there. It felt like an eternity, sniffing the air and then sniffing the 116 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:35,000 ground. Even if I wanted to run, I couldn't go nowhere. I 117 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:39,519 was enclosed. I had rock walls of this outcroppy on either side, and 118 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:43,360 I had a wall behind me, and the only entrance is where this thing 119 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,480 was standing. And like I said, it stood there and it felt like 120 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:54,440 an eternity. It could have it could have been easily five minutes, but 121 00:13:54,559 --> 00:14:05,480 it felt like it felt like an eternity. And then it finally caught whatever 122 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:15,360 since it was looking for and took off. I still stood there. You 123 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:22,799 could still smelling, and as the smell started fading away. Once the smell 124 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:33,639 faded away, I was like started breathing again, and then slowly the birds 125 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:41,039 started coming back, and you started hearing the normal nature sound. And as 126 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:43,840 soon as I started hearing the birds chirping and the nature sounds coming, I 127 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:50,000 grabbed my stuff and I just ran up the rest of the way. And 128 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:52,759 then as soon as I got in the car, she was asking me what's 129 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:58,080 wrong. I'm like, I don't want to talk about it. Even if 130 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,480 I told you, you wouldn't believe me anyway. I mean, or had 131 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:07,919 a big old argument in the car because I won't wouldn't tell her. And 132 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:16,559 then we finally left and started going home. And that was my last encounter. 133 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:20,799 Trevor. I can't even imagine going through half of those encounters. Those 134 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:26,279 were so intense. Holy cow, Trevor. Do you think having that first 135 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,120 encounter when you were a six shape the development into the adult you are now? 136 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:37,679 In a way, yes, Vic, I'm not quite sure how to 137 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:41,639 describe how it's impacted, but I think it had a part of it. 138 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,080 Would you say it's for the better or the worse? When it comes down 139 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,960 to any kind of life impact, it doesn't matter if it's worse or better. 140 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:02,159 It makes you either stronger because of the encounters or if you take it 141 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,159 with a grain of salt, and you're like, Okay, it happened. 142 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,879 I can't control it. I might as well learn to accept it and grow 143 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:12,519 from it. I like that. That's a great way to look at it. 144 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:17,279 You said that you had to stand on your bed to look out the 145 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,080 window above the bed when you had that first encounter from outside. How far 146 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:26,720 was it from the porridge up to the window sill of that window. The 147 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:32,200 window I was talking about is the little basement window that was on the side 148 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:37,600 of the house, and it's like a clean drop the actual front front window. 149 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,120 I could actually stand up in front of it. It was like a 150 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:48,200 normal sized living room window on the front of the house. And then on 151 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:55,360 the side facing the abandoned house, there was like a little basement window that 152 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,279 I had my bed underneath it where I had to stand up unto it to 153 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,640 look out towards the abandoned house and down. Oh I see, Okay, 154 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,960 I have that mixed up. How long do you think it might have been 155 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,519 standing there watching you before you actually saw it? Honestly, Vic, I 156 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:21,240 don't know. It could have been there for as long as an hour before 157 00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:25,119 I would notice it. I don't know. You don't know, and probably 158 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,160 don't want to know, do you? No, not really, I really 159 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,720 don't want to know. How long did I standing there? Yeah? I 160 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:36,920 can't say. I'll blame you. You did say it had six inch claws, 161 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:44,440 though, Were they hooked or straighter like grizzlies? They kind of were 162 00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:52,400 like kind of straight and then kind of curved down towards like the tips grizzlies 163 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:53,960 claws. You that in a way. I kind of wonder if there's a 164 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:00,359 comparison there. Did its facial expression seem to change when it saw that? 165 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,480 You could see it, if it's facial experisson change. I didn't see it. 166 00:18:04,599 --> 00:18:08,960 My brain was just trying to make sense of the whole situation. Oh 167 00:18:10,079 --> 00:18:12,559 no, I understand you're only sick, so you're just doing the best you 168 00:18:12,599 --> 00:18:17,680 could to hold it together. How far was your house from the woods that 169 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:30,880 wrapped around it? I would say about ten fifteen feet maybe twenty? Wow? 170 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:36,319 Close? Yeah, that's really close. How big were those woods? 171 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,720 Those woods kind of had like a valley like there was a creek, and 172 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:48,839 then had like some spots were like easier to traverse, and then there was 173 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:55,160 stuff that was like I kind of had the limestone bluffs sticking out, so 174 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,839 with it being on the river and it not be in as settled because of 175 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:14,759 the building constraints, I would say probably a thousand acres, because if you're 176 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:23,599 going from where it started all the way down towards like the turnabout that's down 177 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:30,920 that road it was, would I would say about a one hundred acres A 178 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:36,960 thousand acres, I don't really remember. And then it was like, I 179 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:45,440 think one hundred acres across, so I could go into woods and then I 180 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,880 could walk that many acres and then I would be in somebody else's backyard. 181 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,000 From listening to you describe that woods and everything had in it, sounds like 182 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,519 a great place for a dog me and to run around and make a living. 183 00:19:57,599 --> 00:20:03,079 Unfortunately, in two thousand and nine when you had your second encounter, 184 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,519 how many years had gone by? That's a tough question, VIC, because 185 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:12,319 I don't my brain doesn't process numbers very well. Oh, that's all right, 186 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,799 that's not a problem. When you first saw that second dog me and 187 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:19,119 you're outside with it, how close did you say you were to it when 188 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:26,440 you hit it with your flashlight? Because I had a military grade flashlight, 189 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:32,559 so I could actually see up to a hundred yards, if not one hundred 190 00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:41,160 and fifty yards away. It was about fifty to sixty yards away from me, 191 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,839 which probably felt like six feet. Yeah, yeah, I'll bet it 192 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:51,519 did. You said you saw it holding its teal underneath its but how do 193 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:56,599 you describe its teal? Though? See mag I grew up around I used 194 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,839 to raise dogs and cats, so I know kind of how they wrapped their 195 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:07,960 tail underneath when they're frustrated or mad. So I would say the tail was 196 00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:17,839 probably it kind of looked like a kind of the husky poof on the tail, 197 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:22,319 like the Siberian husky poof. How long would you say it was? 198 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:33,880 I would say roughly four feet or less. Well, that's pretty long. 199 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,880 But if you're talking about something that size, that fits. Looking back on 200 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,599 what happened that night, do you still think it was trying to get into 201 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,839 the camper with you, Trevor Or? Do you think it was just trying 202 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:51,279 to frighten you? Honestly, I think it was probably just frightening me. 203 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:56,440 After talking to you about it in private, I think it was just trying 204 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,160 to scare me. If it really wanted to get and Eric could have easily 205 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:06,160 gotten in there, especially with the claws that they have. They could easily 206 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:15,759 tear through that then press sheet steal like it probably with butter. It's good 207 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:18,599 you understand that there's only one reason why you're still here today, and that's 208 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,039 because it didn't want to actually come in and get you, like I told 209 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:26,079 you that night. If it wanted to, it could have snatched that door 210 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,200 right off of the wall. So in fact it didn't do that tells you 211 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,799 it didn't want to actually get in. It just wanted to get a rise 212 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:36,759 out of you. You never did tell your stepped out about what happened that 213 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,519 night? How close did you come to telling him though? I never told 214 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:47,680 him. I never wanted to tell him, but I started sleeping in the 215 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,880 farmhouse with my grandmother after that. If I stayed out there by myself. 216 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:56,880 Yeah, he probably wouldn't have responded very well to it if you had told 217 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:02,720 him, So don't blame you dog me from your first or second encounter more 218 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:07,160 frightening to look at in your opinion, my second, Yeah, sounds like 219 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,039 it was at O Hyena. Look, that's pretty freaky. It sounds to 220 00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:15,079 me like your second encounter shook you up more, quite a bit more in 221 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:21,640 fact, than your first one did. Is that an accurate assessment, Yeah, 222 00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:26,960 because the first encounter it just seemed like it was curious more so than 223 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:33,079 wanting to get her eyes or whatever. In the second one gave you that 224 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,160 mindset that it was coming to get you, so I can understand why that 225 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,279 shook yet more. When you had your third encounter, you're heading down the 226 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:44,920 road with your friend. What time would you say it was when that encounter 227 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:53,319 happened though in between? I would say midnight and three as a rough estimate, 228 00:23:53,319 --> 00:24:00,319 because I don't remember exactly what time it was so pretty late. How 229 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:06,440 far were the Dogman from the road you're on. I have pretty good night 230 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,720 vision for my eye, being able to see in the dark pretty well, 231 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:18,319 so I could see like spots, shadows and movements up to about the farthest 232 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:25,799 is I've done is fifty yards, so that I would say that it were 233 00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:33,400 in between fifty and twenty yards away. Well, that might seem like a 234 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,200 good distance, but when you're talking about dogman, that's still way too close 235 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,279 for comfort. Do you still think it was foolish to stop the car the 236 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:48,640 way you two did. No, because he was curious and it was I 237 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:52,799 just wanted to make sure my eyes weren't playing tricks on me. Well, 238 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:56,319 Also, to that car gave you a false sense of security. A lot 239 00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:00,160 of eye witnesses have a false sense of security wound they're in a car truck. 240 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,119 But when it comes down to it, if adult mean wants to get 241 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,000 you in a card truck, it can easily do that. But when those 242 00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:11,279 encounters happen, in almost every case, they don't try. When you had 243 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,119 your third and fourth encounters, you weren't alone. How much easier was it 244 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,519 for you to deal with those encounters compared to one, two, and five, 245 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:25,519 considering the fact that you had company. I didn't feel as crazy thinking 246 00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:32,200 about the previous encounters after those two, I didn't feel like I was actually 247 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,920 just it wasn't a figment of my imagination. You know, I've actually seen 248 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,880 it with two different people and they've actually seen it, So I didn't feel 249 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:48,559 so crazy. Oh sure, for that reason and several others. It's just 250 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,559 normally easier in general to have an experience like that if you have company with 251 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,640 you. But it's best by far to not have adult mean encounter if you 252 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:02,319 can avoid it. Of course, when your friend's girlfriend stopped the car when 253 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,720 you had your fourth encounter. You said you were about ten feet from them, 254 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,119 and that she freaked out when she saw them standing there. When she 255 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,559 was freaking out, was she screaming or trying to stay quiet? She was 256 00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:26,160 not like actually like high pitched screaming, you know, like the it's like 257 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:32,920 the stunned scream that you get when somebody like startles you. That's kind of 258 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:38,200 what it was. And then she just started crying. I think at that 259 00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:41,720 point she wasn't didn't care if they hurt her or not. She just her 260 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:48,000 brain just could not compute with it. Poor thing. It sounds like she 261 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,640 really took that hard. I'm so glad you were there with her. If 262 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,400 you wouldn't have been there with her and she had that experience alone, can 263 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,839 you imagine how much hard it would have been for Yeah, and not only 264 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,160 that, having a kid in the car on top of that. Yeah, 265 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,680 No, Yeah, that wouldn't have been good at all. You said that 266 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,720 one of them was ten to eleven feet tall, and the next biggest one 267 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:11,640 was about eight to nine feet tall. The other two were only about seven 268 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,079 feet though. Did you get the impression that you might have been looking at 269 00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:19,319 a family To answer your question, Vic, yes, I thought I was 270 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:25,079 looking at a family. Well that's something when Junior is about seven feet tall. 271 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:30,480 Did any of them have expressions on their faces? They look kind of 272 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:37,119 pissed off, pissed off Slash kind of got like the curious look. If 273 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,079 they were pissed off, it makes you wonder why they esk were out of 274 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,440 the area. But they might have done that just to get rid of you. 275 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:47,599 It's hard to say. Were they all making direct eye contact with you 276 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:53,559 too, or were they looking elsewhere? The two smaller ones kept looking back 277 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:59,799 behind them. That was all about Then again, they might have been looking 278 00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:03,839 for other dog men. It's hard to say. You did save they looked 279 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,319 like prototypical werewolves. Did they give you the impression that they were the embodiment 280 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,720 of evil or did you get the impression they were just animals? I think 281 00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:23,240 they're probably animals more so than a supernatural being like a werewolf or a shape 282 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,400 shifter. Well, there are a lot of eyewitnesses who describe in that way, 283 00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:32,160 is just being flesh and blood animals out there making a living the best 284 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,920 way then the hell. So you're not the first to describe in that way. 285 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,599 What kind of posture do they have standing there were they more stooped over 286 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:48,000 or standing up straight. The two bigger ones were standing up straight. The 287 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:53,440 two little ones were like kind of hunched over, kind of ready to fight 288 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:57,440 something. I don't know. I can only imagine what must have been like 289 00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:02,480 to see that, To see them stand there, that's just too much. 290 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:06,960 Well, they're escorting you out of the area. How fast would you say 291 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:14,079 you were going? If I had to guess, we were probably going sixty 292 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:18,119 plus wow. And he said they kept that speed up for about a mile. 293 00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:23,079 Yeah, they stayed behind the vehicle, though they never really got up 294 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:27,279 on the sides of the vehicles, so they were going a little. If 295 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:32,279 they wanted to match the car for speed, they could have easily and then 296 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,279 some. But I think they were just staying behind for whatever unknown reason, 297 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,279 probably just to keep an eye on you. It's a given us. Some 298 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,480 of the listeners are wondering why you didn't pull your phone out of your pocket 299 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,440 and take pictures of them, Trevor, what would you say to them in 300 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:56,119 response to that? In that situation, you're not thinking about your phone, 301 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,839 You're not thinking about anything. You're just thinking on trying to comprehend the situation. 302 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:10,599 And I didn't have a cell phone until that had an actual camera working 303 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,720 on it. I didn't have one until I was close to eighteen. Well, 304 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,440 even if you did have one in your possession, if you think about 305 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,599 what was actually going on, it's hard to expect anyone to pull a phone 306 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,599 out and be concerned about taking pictures. You're worried about saving your hide, 307 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:32,359 So who could expect you to take pictures? In September of twenty eighteen, 308 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,319 when you had your fifth encounter, you were hiking with your girlfriend. Had 309 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:41,160 you been hiking at that place before? I've gone hiking in that place many 310 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,680 many times before this, and it was like a kind of a well warned 311 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:52,839 animal trail because a lot of mushroomers go out to Pierre Marquet and they'll use 312 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:59,160 the game trails, So a lot of those trails that the deer have worn 313 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:06,680 mushroomers are used. And then that's what that was, the actual regular traditional 314 00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:15,240 hiking trails. They're marked and they have maps along at different points. So, 315 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,440 considering the fact you've got hiking trails going all throughout that area, how 316 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:25,680 big of a forest is that last time? I? Because I went camping 317 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,640 out there when I was in boy Scouts, and the park ranger told us 318 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:37,200 that it was like eight thousand acres plus. Wow, that's big. That's 319 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,960 a lot of woods. Oh, it's like woods and cliffs, so yeah, 320 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,200 that's great. Habitat form is that dog man was standing there at the 321 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,279 opening of the keeve? Was it growling or making any other sounds? No, 322 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,640 it was silent, like it was stalking something. Hmm. Makes you 323 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,839 wonder what it was stalking. Your two friends are actually the reason why you 324 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:06,559 contacted me. Did they have much trouble caressing you to do that or did 325 00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:10,640 you jump at the chance. They bugged me about it, but they didn't 326 00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:15,319 push me to talk about it. There's like, we recommend you try talking 327 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:22,640 about your encounters since because the only time I really talked about those encounters was 328 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,799 you know, I literally had to be either had to be drunk or high 329 00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,839 of marijuana to talk about it. Well, as you know, a lot 330 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,640 of our witnesses have a lot of trouble talking about their encounters, so as 331 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,759 understandable why you would as well. Unfortunately, your friends used to pressure you 332 00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:44,480 to talk about your experiences. How much harder did that make it for you 333 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:50,039 to come to terms with them? Though they just knew that it bothered me 334 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,119 talking about that stuff. And I'm a pretty open book. But the fact 335 00:32:54,160 --> 00:33:00,480 that I didn't talk about it with them and they're my like, they're my 336 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:06,799 best friends. They know they could literally write stories of my life. They 337 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:12,680 know a lot more than what my parents even now. And the fact that 338 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:19,039 I didn't want to talk about those encounters with them, they knew there were 339 00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:23,640 something it needed to be resolved. Well, it goes without saying, I'm 340 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,759 so glad they care so much about you. Yeah, sounds like they're really 341 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:31,880 good friends to have. Oh they are. They're wonderful people. It sounds 342 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,079 like it. Yeah, I'm so glad they talked to you end reaching out 343 00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,160 to me. Thank goodness for that. Trevor, You've had encounters in your 344 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,279 bedroom and outside in the woods, out in the countryside. Would you say 345 00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:46,799 one kind of an encounter is inherently worse than the other? To have? 346 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,119 It varies? Really, it varies to person a person like my bedroom encounter 347 00:33:53,200 --> 00:34:00,480 compared to being trapped in a freaking cave or in a little outcropping, I 348 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:06,599 would say that outcropping, trapped with no sense of security or barrier between me 349 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,880 and you know, it is a lot harder to deal with. Yeah, 350 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,320 that makes sense. What's about time for us to get out if you're Trevor. 351 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,079 But before we do, do you have any closing comments you'd like to 352 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:24,599 share. Don't go looking for these and for those who make comment, some 353 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:30,079 of these places are no longer being taken out by whether or been torn down. 354 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:37,320 And don't go on private property, no matter where you go. Don't 355 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,079 go on private property. Going to jail and getting shot ain't worth it, 356 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,239 especially if you don't have permission. You're right, no, it's not worth 357 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,800 it. I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing the details of 358 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,280 all these experiences with us. It was clearly a very difficult thing for you 359 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,039 to do, but I think you're going to grow so much from doing it, 360 00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:02,159 so I'm so glad you did decide to come forward. Thanks again so 361 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,719 much for your time. Thank you Vic. Oh you're welcome. Thanks again 362 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,719 so much, and have a great night.