WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:11.880 All right. It was September of twenty seventeen. Mark and I had went 2 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:18.519 to Lee Creek for an outing. We'd got there and we'd met Debbie and 3 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:24.359 the girls and several other people. They'd talked about all the activity they'd had 4 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:30.600 previously in this area, and we had cooked steaks and stuff. Ate went 5 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:35.679 down to the creek and hung out there, and somebody started throwing rocks in 6 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:41.159 the creek, and we were getting rocks thrown back off the little bluff that 7 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:45.359 was across the creek that didn't have any access by any roads or anything. 8 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:51.880 That went on for probably an hour or so. It kind of dissipated after 9 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:55.640 a while, and we all walked back to camp. It probably was about 10 00:00:55.880 --> 00:01:00.039 twelve thirty at that point, and Mark and I had camped away from everybody 11 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:04.079 else in the main camp. We'd cross the creek and went back in the 12 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:07.959 woods, probably one hundred and fifty two hundred yards from the creek on the 13 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:12.159 other side, away from everybody. We had a four wheler and we left 14 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:19.280 the main camp because it was probably distance wise it was probably a half mile 15 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:23.840 from everybody. We crossed the creek, got back to our camp, cut 16 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.840 off the ATV and as soon as we cut off the ATV, we had 17 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:33.280 a loud howl. It's one of the closest ones I've heard, except possibly 18 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:38.439 one more. But me and Mark looked at each other, shrugged their shoulders 19 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:41.879 and rolled over, and he went to his hammock. I got in my 20 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:47.799 hammock. We went to sleep. About two thirty I started smelling something that 21 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.680 was rank. I was asleep, and it woke me up. I was 22 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:53.959 sniffing, trying to figure out what it was. I thought, I've been 23 00:01:55.000 --> 00:02:04.079 camping for three days. Is it may Is it my brain? But yeah, 24 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:08.240 but it wasn't. I could hear something walk as I woke up. 25 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:13.080 I could hear something walking away from the head end of my hammock, and 26 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:15.840 I tried to turn. I had a thermal, I had a pistol, 27 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:22.680 and I had a light all across my lap in the hammt and I tried 28 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:24.680 to turn with the thermal to get it on thermal, and I couldn't turn 29 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:30.560 enough at the angle it was to get it on thermal. So I laid 30 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.879 there and held the thermal up over my head, pointing it behind me, 31 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:39.159 and just scanned it over my head trying to pick something up. It probably 32 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:45.400 walked fifty yards from us and stopped whenever I started moving, and you could 33 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:51.240 tell it was bipedal and all that. But I just took the thermal back 34 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:55.719 down and laid there still, and after a few minutes I heard it walk 35 00:02:55.800 --> 00:03:00.960 off toward the creek and away from us. The next day I told Mark 36 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:07.199 about it, and we reviewed well. Mark or Shelley reviewed the audio later. 37 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:12.120 And you could hear for thirty minutes prior to me waking up, the 38 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:16.919 thing would throw rocks. You could hear it ping off the ATV. You 39 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:22.360 could hear it hit close to me, and you could hear the feet shuffle 40 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:25.319 a little bit, and it would stop, and you wouldn't hear nothing for 41 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:30.319 a little while, and it would throw more stuff in to see what it 42 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:34.560 was gonna take to wake me up. And I don't know how close the 43 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:38.479 thing was whenever I finally smelt it, but it had to be within twenty 44 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:44.439 yards of me whenever I finally woke up, because when it took off walking, 45 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:49.960 it was close. And believe it or not, Mark didn't wake up 46 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.439 through it. He was over there about twenty or thirty yards from me. 47 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:57.439 He didn't know about it till the next morning, I didn't jump up and 48 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.039 run over there and wake him up. I just went back to sleep. 49 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.680 In about four in the morning, something else coming to camp. But I 50 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:10.400 got it on thermal and it was just a raccoon or an armadilla, but 51 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:15.800 it sounded totally different. But you were worried, weren't you? No where 52 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:20.120 you were thinking? I was thinking, but I wasn't worried. It affected 53 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:25.759 me worse later after I thought about it, how close I was to whatever 54 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:30.879 it was than it did that night. And then I started putting my hammock 55 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:41.319 up in the middle of everybody, stood on the outside of everybody. You 56 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:45.439 know what'll happen if there's one thing that I don't mention or added, It'll 57 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:50.399 be like, oh, he's going. I was with a friend of mine 58 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:56.000 and we were coon hunting, and I was new to it. He'd been 59 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:00.839 taking me coon hunting some We were down in Jackson, CA In Indiana, 60 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:03.279 and we were kind of we were down in the river bottoms. We were 61 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:08.000 very close to the river actually, but we're kind of in between two towns. 62 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:12.680 We were between a town called Viologna and a town called Madoor, Indiana. 63 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:15.920 So we run the dogs and they were way out ahead of us, 64 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.879 and we were still up by the gravel road. We went took off down 65 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:24.800 toward the dogs. They were carrying on pretty good. We got down there 66 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:28.920 they were carried on, and we come up to this ravine and these This 67 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:32.120 ravine is not where the river flows. It only flows like through there when 68 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:36.079 the river gets out, and it kind of cuts new channels and stuff, 69 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:41.000 you know, over the years, and then when the river flows out of 70 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.040 them, they grow up and they grow up with a lot of junk in 71 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:47.439 them and vines and bushes. I'm not eating, but either way, this 72 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:51.639 ravine we come up on, its pretty deep, estimating ten twelve feet deep. 73 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:55.920 It was pretty deep or wash out or whatever you want to call it. 74 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.519 The dogs is carrying on pretty good, and it was going on for 75 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.360 a while and they were down in all this stick stuff. Every once in 76 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:08.120 a while come by and we have these big coon lights. And it's the 77 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:11.959 old style coonlights where you had like the metal hat and had the headlight on 78 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.480 it kind of like a coal miner's type hat, and it had those big 79 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:17.639 old battery packs on your side. It always pulled your pants down and killed 80 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:21.800 your hip, you know. Oh yeah, old school. So we were 81 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:25.720 getting kind of bored with it. And there's a tree growing up, like 82 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:29.600 right there beside the drop off, and it's real muddy, and I'm just 83 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:32.040 leaning up against that tree and my buddy Tim is to my left. He's 84 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:34.600 a little ways away from me, but not that far. And we got 85 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:38.800 our lights and were shining in this ravine. You know, it's growed up 86 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:42.800 real thick. Literally can't even see the dogs. You hear the dogs down 87 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:47.199 in there. We kind of just hanging out and one of the dogs got 88 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:50.560 to sounding a little bit different. Keep in mind, I'm new at this, 89 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:55.199 I don't they had to have different tones, different sounds, and they 90 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.000 tree a coon and I'm not that familiar with it, but it sounded different. 91 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:00.839 Caught me a little bit off go and I thought, well, maybe 92 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.560 something's going on. And we're both shining the ravine still we have the handheld 93 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:09.600 lights. All of a sudden, I see this dog come through the air. 94 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:13.439 And when I say come through the air, keep in mind this ravine 95 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.480 I'm estimating ten twelve feet deep and it's really wide. You can't jump across 96 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:21.720 the ravine. Carl Lewis can't jump across that ravine. Couldn't do it. 97 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:28.040 A dog cannot jump across that ravine. It's too white. This dog comes 98 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:31.399 through the air, not at an upward angle or coming down or anything, 99 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:36.240 comes across straight, and it's like it happened in slow motion. And this 100 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:42.000 dog has kind of got this. It's not in balance like a dog jumps 101 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:46.079 out of the ditch, but it hits and it tumbles a little bit, 102 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:50.360 only because it didn't really fall. It just came straight across. I was 103 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:54.839 just frozen in time, and my eyes was huge, I'm sure. And 104 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:58.759 I look at Tim because he's the experienced guy, when not really he was 105 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:03.160 only sixteen too, But and we're looking at each other and putting lights in 106 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:05.959 each other's face, and his eyes are real big around he's puzzled by what 107 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:11.160 he sees. The first thing I said was, what was that? Why 108 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:16.680 did that? What? You know, it's even hard for me to explain. 109 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.920 It's like the dog. You know, your first reaction to somebody threw 110 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:22.720 the dog. Well, yeah, somebody did throw the dog, but this 111 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:28.160 dog is like forty pounds, fifty pounds. Yeah, again, I'm guessing 112 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:33.279 you can't throw the dog that straight. You can't do it. The dog 113 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:37.600 came across there like that. I kept saying, what was that? What 114 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:43.200 you know? And he instantly just kind of accepted it like it wasn't nothing. 115 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.799 He just said, well, it just jumped up out of there. 116 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.360 That dog didn't jump up out of there. That dog what it landed on 117 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:56.159 its feet had it jumped out of there. So that was the end of 118 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.000 that. All way, we headed back the truth. The dog just kept 119 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:03.440 going back on his feet and it kept going the whole time of walk in 120 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:07.639 the field. I just keep It's like I'm almost walking backwards because I'm wondering 121 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.320 what that is. Is that gonna come and throw me? I keep asking 122 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:13.440 him, and I'm like, dude, you see what I seen? What 123 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:16.679 was that? Well? I don't you know. He just rejected it mentally 124 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:22.519 right away, but I didn't forget it. So look, it was a 125 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.840 dog yelling or anything. The only thing it did was there a yap and 126 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:31.159 wonder down in there doing their thing. And the one dog started to sounding 127 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.840 different, kind of like it was like it was stressed really bad or something 128 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:39.080 like something was going on, you know, something was different, and it 129 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.480 seemed it was just the one dog, but there was two dogs down there. 130 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.559 It didn't take him long though. We was we was headed out. 131 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.960 We were not far behind behind the dog. It was headed to the truck 132 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.480 the best I could tell. But when we got to the truck, the 133 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:58.879 dog was at the truck. The other one it came to came right up. 134 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.679 He was yelling, and it come right up, right up, back 135 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.080 up behind us. We actually beat it to the try. I'll ask you 136 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:09.720 this before, but you didn't put this together. But you didn't even now 137 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:15.799 connect this with anything Bigfoot related, nah a long time now, just just 138 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:18.320 puzzled by what could have done that? That was it there? You know, 139 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.600 sort of Bigfoot reading a few books when I was a kid, and 140 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.000 that's awesome stuff like that, because most times these stories you hear they kill 141 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:30.720 the dog, yeah, or the dog is so scared, you know, 142 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:33.879 and these coon dogs are mean, they attacked, they want to kill those 143 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.519 coons. But this dog didn't run or anything. Looked like maybe it just 144 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:45.080 got snatched up and thrown. It beats me, Ivish. That next morning, 145 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:48.759 something came into camp, but this had a totally different feel and we 146 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:52.360 could actually see the shadows on the tent. It was huge and we could 147 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:56.759 make out the shoulders and head, and another one came up to the left 148 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:58.399 side of it, and it was coming up from the front of our tent 149 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:05.600 with a fire was out there, and I pushed on Sandy's colot with my 150 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.919 foot and she looked over and I went. She looked up and she could 151 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.000 see the shadows, and she pushed on Barber's tent did the same thing. 152 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:18.320 So they all saw that. You could hear the footfall. And I had 153 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:20.480 my recorder going out in the back left corner of my tent, and Barbara 154 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.519 had hers out in the front. So anyway they walk around, you could 155 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.600 hear a moving They weren't running around throwing crap at us like the look we 156 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:33.480 think juveniles, you know. But anyway, it was just a totally different 157 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:39.600 feel. And I've never been scared or felt any kind of fear until then, 158 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:46.480 you know. And so anyway about sit, well, it was six 159 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:48.639 twenty nine, because I keep my phone under my pilla so I can see 160 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.240 what time it is six twenty nine. From the back left corner where my 161 00:11:52.759 --> 00:12:01.600 audio recorder kiss, it was this high pitched female sound scream and it was 162 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:07.480 real shrill, and then it ended in like a whoop, and then ten 163 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:11.320 seconds later another one from it was the same being that did it, I'm 164 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:16.279 sure because it was the exact same scream, exact same area, same thing, 165 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.600 and we were like, that's the Medusa scream. That guy was legit. 166 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:26.440 He we understood now what he was talking about. But it was bigfoot, 167 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:31.679 I'm sure. So the next night, same exact stuff. Those juveniles. 168 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.120 They're back, you know, a little less activity, you know, 169 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.799 But and then that next morning same about the same time, they coming to 170 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.159 camp again. It did it three nights in a row. The fourth night 171 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.919 it was raining and it was a lot less activity, but we still had 172 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:52.200 them coming into camp. But on that second night, if you went on 173 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.320 pass where that guy had been camping, you go another several miles down and 174 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:00.960 the road ends and there's a campground and there we was some bear hunters down 175 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:03.440 there, and we had talked to him every day we'd go down there because 176 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.799 we wanted to keep up with who was where, you know. And so 177 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.799 the second night, way off in that direction where the bear hunters were, 178 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:16.320 we heard four gun shots and I said, well, they're either drinking and 179 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.720 getting rowdy or they're having something going on in camp. And then just a 180 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.039 few not even a minute or so later, we heard two more gun shots, 181 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:28.360 and then within a minute or so we heard that Medusa scream from that 182 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.639 area over there, and I'm like, oh, yeah, they're having activity 183 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:37.120 and that's what they're cheating at. And so we were excited. And then 184 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:41.919 the third night, somewhere between them and us, we heard the Medusa scream 185 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:46.080 again, and so we're like, that poor young guy must have been scared 186 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.840 out of his mind. But anyway, that was that was really cool because 187 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:56.559 we thought he was on drugs or something. Talking about sounded like a killer 188 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:00.679 carry a sword around with it. Yeah, yeah, it's funny when you 189 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:09.000 say Medusa's scream you call my sister that really, I know, That's what 190 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:11.399 I was like. We even talked about it after he left, you know, 191 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:15.039 before we went down there. I'm like, what was he talking about? 192 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:18.519 Medusa scream? It just didn't make sense, But then we were like, 193 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:20.159 okay, because it did. It was so high pitched, you know 194 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:26.559 how you hear on movies pterodactyls and stuff. That's exactly what it was reminiscent 195 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:31.159 of. But I got excited because my recorder was right in that corner where 196 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.559 that screen was coming from, and Barbara went ahead that next morning got hers 197 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:39.759 and played it back and it picked it up good on hers and hers was 198 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:45.240 in front, so when Shelley listens to it, she ought to hear something 199 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.879 good on that. Well, it was really high pitched, and all three 200 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.039 of us we all said it sounded female, but we just had a feeling 201 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:56.840 that it was like a like an alpha female. I think she was finally 202 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.960 like saying, this is it? Leave this? Yeah, So it was. 203 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:09.200 It was pretty interesting. Let's saying, let's go out. That's fascinating. 204 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:13.919 I'd never heard that scream like that before. And if it hadn't had 205 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:16.879 the whoop on the end, I would have said, I don't know what 206 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.639 the heck that was. But it had a whoop on the end. Well, 207 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.919 I've heard other stuff, but not sound like that. Tell them about 208 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:31.039 your daddy and the y'all's experience down there. Well, where I grew up, 209 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.639 I was. I lived in Malta, Texas. We only had just 210 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.440 a few hundred people in the little community. The school went to eighth grade 211 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.360 and I was valedictorian in my eighth grade class. And I normally don't tell 212 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:50.879 people, but there was only three of us. We had like two grades 213 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.360 in each classroom, you know, So fifth and six were together, seventh 214 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.120 and eighth were together, and once you got out eighth grade, you had 215 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.639 to go to high school. Any their New Boston, which was seven miles 216 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.879 in one direction r and DCAB which was seven miles in the opposite direction, 217 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:10.039 and I ended up I ended up going to both, you know, and 218 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:15.960 so because Decap was just more down to earth, I think. And anyway, 219 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:22.679 so where this place was located though, was only probably about thirty forty 220 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.399 miles from Falk, Arkansas, which is legendary in the Bigfoot community, you 221 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.559 know, because of the legend of Boggy Creek. And a lot of my 222 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:37.399 cousins lived up in Texa, Cana and in that area, and some of 223 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:42.039 my cousins lived in falc and uh like I, you know, my Mama 224 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:47.840 and Daddy had adopted me when they were forty one, and so I already 225 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:51.440 had two brothers that were twenty some odd years older than me. So all 226 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:56.240 my first cousins were in their you know, twenties, and so I grew 227 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:02.320 up with my second cousins, and I grew up playing with my second cousins 228 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:04.960 in those woods in foulk Arkansas. But back then, when I was a 229 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:08.920 kid, we didn't know that Bigfoot even existed. We didn't know what a 230 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.839 bigfoot was, you know, and I didn't even really know about it until 231 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:18.599 I was in my early twenties or so. But what we called that creature 232 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:25.119 in Fount, Arkansas was the Fount monsters. That's all we ever heard was 233 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:29.240 a Fount monster, you know. My mama and daddy and everybody would say, 234 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:30.319 oh, honey, it's not real, you know. But then the 235 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:34.759 Legend of Boggy Creek movie came out and we went to see it, and 236 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:38.559 she really had to tell me that because it said, you know, based 237 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:42.880 on true events. And I went with my cousins and we were all looking 238 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:47.079 at our parents like what, and they were saying, no, honey, 239 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.000 that's just a movie. They just do that to make it more exciting, 240 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:53.920 and so we were like, okay. You know. Anyway, when I 241 00:17:55.119 --> 00:18:02.519 was about fourteen years old, it was Christmas and my mama was sick. 242 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:06.079 She had cancer, and so she was in the bed in the front room 243 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:11.400 of our house and my daddy and I were on the front porch hanging Christmas 244 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:15.599 lights and there were blue Christmas lights and so it didn't light up very much, 245 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.640 you know, and we had the front porch light off because we could 246 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.799 see better where we were putting them in spacing the Christmas lights out. We 247 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.160 had a long house. It was almost like, you know, a long 248 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:30.759 shotgun top house. On the on the left hand side of the porch was 249 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.920 the car port. Then on the right it was just you know, we 250 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.119 had woods all the way around us, and a pond back behind us, 251 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:41.680 and a dirt road in front of us. It was so dark out there, 252 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:44.400 and we were on the right hand side of the house, opposite from 253 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:48.440 the car port. And when we were hanging the Christmas lights, coming from 254 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:52.319 the left hand further on down, you know, away from us, sounded 255 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:55.519 like it was coming from on the other side of where my Mamma's house used 256 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:59.839 to be. Next door, we heard just this. It was gosh, 257 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.119 it was so scary. It was like a moan, a roar, and 258 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:07.119 a growl altogether. And I had never heard anything like that before. And 259 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:12.200 it was so loud, you know, it's just and it's scared to crap 260 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.240 out of me. And I looked at my daddy and I was like, 261 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.599 what was that, Daddy? And he was he just paused for a second, 262 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:21.559 and he said, I don't know what that was, but let's just 263 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.359 and finish this. Well, my daddy, like I said, he was 264 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:29.839 forty one when he adopted me, and that was back in sixty six when 265 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:33.720 I was born. So my daddy had been in three wars, Vietnam, 266 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.119 World War two, and Korea, and he never was scared of anything. 267 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:41.160 But I could just tell that, you know, he stopped and looked in 268 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.200 that direction, but he's like, let's go ahead and finish this. And 269 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.400 so I was like, well, let's let's go in because I've never heard 270 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:49.480 anything like that before. And he was like, no, let's just go 271 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:52.559 ahead and finish this. And so we're trying to get it up, and 272 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.599 thank goodness, it was not a very long porch. But as we're working 273 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.319 our way to the left, you know, we get to about the her 274 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:04.559 and we hear it again, but this time it's closer up, and he 275 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:07.119 says, go in the house and get my gun. And I said, 276 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:10.960 I'm not leaving you out here. And I said, please, come on, 277 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:11.799 let's go in the house. He goes, no, just hurry up, 278 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.880 go in the house and get my gun. I said, no, 279 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:18.640 Daddy, I was about starting to cry, you know, I said, 280 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:22.359 let's go in the house please, And about that time, from the carport 281 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:26.680 area, we heard it again, and this time I've just busted out in 282 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:32.319 tears and he's pushing me in the house and he just pushes right on by 283 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:34.039 me. Well, my mama was, you know, right there in that 284 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:37.839 first front room in the bed, and she sees me, you know, 285 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:41.039 crying, and he's running through the house, going to go find his gun, 286 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:45.119 and he's coming back out and she's like, what's going on. And 287 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:48.119 I'm like, there's a monster outside of well, you know what I'm trying 288 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.200 to make the sound for. And I'm worried because Daddy now is just going 289 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.039 out there. And so I go into my room, which was on the 290 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:59.559 opposite side from where my mama was and on the side that the carport was 291 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.599 on, and I'm looking out the windows, following him around the house to 292 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:07.839 make sure nothing got him. And he comes back in there and he's like, 293 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:11.559 there's there's nothing out there. I don't see anything at all. And 294 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:14.359 he had a flashlight, you know, and had his gun and all that, 295 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:18.240 and I'm still just shaking, you know, and Mama's scared. Now 296 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.559 so he tells me, he said, go in there and call your Ain't 297 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:26.720 Overly. Now, my Ain't Overly was my mama's sister, and they had 298 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.599 all grown up in that area, and Ain't Overly was already in her probably 299 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.839 sixties at this time, so she had lived there forever and ever. And 300 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:37.160 so I'm in there telling her what we've just heard, roaring and growling and 301 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.319 moaning on the phone by trying to make this sound, and she said, 302 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.440 oh, honey, that's probably just miss clay Shulchi's bulls across the street from 303 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.599 us, you know. And Miss clay Shulchie was an older, elderly woman 304 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:52.880 lived there by herself, and she did she had, you know, her 305 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.839 husband had passed away, but she still had the bulls and the cows and 306 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:59.279 the chickens and all that. There was a water tower over in the right 307 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:03.519 side of her past and everything. And I'm telling you, we were in 308 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:08.000 the country anyway. So that made me feel better, made my mama and 309 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:12.759 daddy feel better, and so we slept okay well. The next days, 310 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:17.880 Clay Shilty was at our house because she would come and give Mama her shots 311 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:22.640 for pain relief, and so she was up there in the front room and 312 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:25.599 my daddy was in there and he calls me and to ask me come up. 313 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:26.400 You know, I was in the back of the house where the liver 314 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:30.240 room was at and he said, did we come up here and make that 315 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:34.119 sound that we heard last night from his clay Shilty And she's just sitting there, 316 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:37.920 you know, rocking in the rocket chair. And so he had already 317 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.240 told her the story, and so I'm up there roaring and moaning and growling, 318 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.519 and she's like, oh, mister Bob, I wish she hadn't told 319 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.480 me that. And he said, no, he s it's okay because overly 320 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:52.759 told me that it was probably alls bulls or something. And she said, 321 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.720 oh, no, no, mister Bob, I don't have any of my 322 00:22:56.839 --> 00:22:59.960 cows. Are my bulls over there right now? They're all up in decab 323 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:04.160 and I don't remember what was having done. I can't remember exactly. It's 324 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.440 like they were being bred or something. But anyway, she said, there's 325 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.240 none of my bulls or cows are over there right now. And she says, 326 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:15.039 as a matter of fact, something's been stealing my chickens. Of course, 327 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.799 we didn't know anything about anything at that time. We didn't know anything 328 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:26.400 about Bigfoot. Looking back, I remember I was Daddy's girl, you know, 329 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:29.599 and anywhere Daddy went, I went. I helped him with everything. 330 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:36.160 He had killed a pulsum one time that was up around the house and we 331 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:38.000 didn't it was late in the evening, so we didn't have time to bury 332 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:41.839 it, and so he said, well, let's just go around back. 333 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:42.440 We'll put it in the trash can. We had, you know, a 334 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:45.359 metal trash can, and so he said, we'll put it in trash can. 335 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:48.119 We'll come back out in the morning, we'll bury it. And so 336 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:49.759 he put the lid on it, and he put a big old rock on 337 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:53.960 top of the lid so nothing would get into it and get it. And 338 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:57.160 so the next day he called me and he said, come on, let's 339 00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:00.400 go out and bury the passum. And we go out back door, and 340 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:03.119 you know, the trash can is still sitting there with the lid and the 341 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:07.400 rock and everything. So he takes the rock off, takes the lid off. 342 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:11.319 He said, looked at me, what'd you do? I said, 343 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:15.519 we talked about He said, the posum's gone, and I said, day, 344 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:18.839 I didn't get that possum. I didn't do anything with that possum. 345 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:22.880 He said, you serious, and I said no. And you know, 346 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.559 we had no clue what had happened, but that lid was still on it, 347 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.680 and that rock was still on that lid, but that possum was gone, 348 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:32.200 so something had to have taken that heavy. I mean it was a 349 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:36.720 big rock, it was, yeah, it was at least the rock was 350 00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:40.359 at least like a foot all the way around foot with you know, foot 351 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:44.680 wide, foot high. It was a heavy rock. That was interesting. 352 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:48.920 So now looking back, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah. And 353 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.880 we would hear all sorts of stuff. We'd hear high pitched screens. When 354 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:55.920 we first moved there, I was a lot younger, but there was a 355 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.480 railroad track on the other side of that water tower, and we used to 356 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:04.599 hear screams and it sounded like a woman's screaming, and so of course Ain't 357 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:07.480 over We lived there, and we'd always call ain't ovally anytime we didn't know 358 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.480 what was going on. And she said, no, we thought it was 359 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:15.079 a little lady that lived in that little pothouse by the water tower getting beat 360 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.119 up or something. And she's like, oh no, no, that's that 361 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:21.920 black panther that walks up and down the railroad tracks, and so that's just 362 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:25.640 what I always thought, you know, that was. And it may have 363 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:29.400 been a panther for all I know, but yeah, there was lots of 364 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:34.680 strange things going on around there, and that wasn't really the catalyst that got 365 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:40.359 you interested. You just reflect back on math and you you put those things 366 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:45.160 together, right right, Yeah, I mean, because I just love that. 367 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.400 I don't It's not the craziest story in the world. That's not the 368 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:52.279 most action pack. But she told me that story, like what three years 369 00:25:52.319 --> 00:26:00.519 ago, would you ever retaill that? And she goes, and I haven't 370 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:03.680 really seen her much or I had an opportunity to do it. It's just 371 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.880 so cool, you know, looking back. And I remember too, I 372 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:14.160 dated a guy from Foreman, Arkansas, and I was but I've always been 373 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:18.480 interested in like the Fount Monster. I just didn't know what it was, 374 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:22.960 you know. We knew that there was supposed to be a monster, and 375 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:26.039 some people called him the Boogeyman. My mama would always you know, when 376 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:27.839 she said, well you be careful going out there, you know, the 377 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:32.039 boogie Man will get you. We just thought that was the saying back then. 378 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:36.759 But the Fount monster. Once we started hearing about the fount Monster and 379 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:40.960 stuff, and then the movie was made about Boggy Creek. We thought, 380 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:45.000 okay, even though Mama and Daddy is telling us it's not real, when 381 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.400 you start having people in the area talking about it, you know, you 382 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:55.640 listen to that stuff. A guy I dated was from Foreman, Arkansas, 383 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:02.119 and he had said that him and his daddy would go hunting and Foreman and 384 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:07.200 that's not too far from falc either, you know. He said that he 385 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:11.640 remembers one time that they were they were coming out of the woods. They 386 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.200 had parked alongside of the road and there was a big pasture out there, 387 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.839 and then the pasture was lined with trees and stuff. And he said that 388 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.680 we're sitting in the front yard of my house in the car talking about this, 389 00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:27.480 and because I had told him about what I had heard, you know, 390 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:30.160 you know, a couple of years earlier, because I was dating him 391 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:36.160 when I was sixteen and he was seventeen, and so we're talking about stuff, 392 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:37.599 and I was telling him about what I had heard when I was fourteen 393 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.559 everything, and so he starts telling me this and he said, well, 394 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.319 you know, we were loading up the truck putting our guns and stuff in 395 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.680 there, and my daddy was kept staring across the pasture and he goes, 396 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.960 and I looked over there, and I said, he said, what are 397 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.440 you looking at? And he goes, do you see that that creature? 398 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.759 And he said there was an upright creature walking along the tree line on the 399 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:03.519 backside of the pasture and went into the woods. And I remember but while 400 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:04.599 he was telling me that, I was like, do you think it could 401 00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:08.160 have been a fout monster? And he slung his car door up and went 402 00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:14.200 like he was being pulled out of the car, and I screamed bloody Murdier 403 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.839 and my daddy came out on the front porch to see what was going on. 404 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:25.240 But what's funny is we're Facebook friends on you know now on Facebook. 405 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:30.480 And he had been living in North Carolina and him and his family were going 406 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.160 to move back to Arkansas, but they found a cattle farm in Oklahoma, 407 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:40.039 so they were living in Oklahoma now. And I'll post stuff on my Facebook 408 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:44.720 sometimes my personal Facebook about Bigfoot, and then I shared the show and stuff, 409 00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.319 and then I'll delete it after I've shared it and stuff. But anyway, 410 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:53.440 so he was seeing Bigfoot stuff and so he messaged me after he moved 411 00:28:53.440 --> 00:29:00.480 to Oklahoma and where he's living now is not far from where we recorded with 412 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.960 Gibbish what we call Tribulation Bab. So he started asking me questions, well 413 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:10.160 does big Say do this? And do they do that? And do they 414 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:12.559 do this? And so I'm finally I said, why are you asking me 415 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:15.920 all this stuff? And he said, well, my daughter's dating a guy. 416 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:21.039 And he said that he's been hearing some weird stuff and he's describing all 417 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:26.279 this stuff. And I'm like, that sounds really interested Todd. And he 418 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:27.519 goes, well, do you think it could be big Foot? And I 419 00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.880 said, I think he could. I don't know if it is, but 420 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.480 I think it could. And I said, I said, where does where 421 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.640 does he live? And he's he was telling me, and so I'm pulling 422 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.200 up Google Maps. He said he lives just like three miles from me, 423 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.400 and so he's telling me where he lives. I said, can you just 424 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.839 send me a pen? You know on Google Maps it was like five miles 425 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.519 from Tribulation Bay who were recorded, And I told him, I said, 426 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:56.160 I said, you don't want to hear what he's going to tell you. 427 00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.279 And he's like what And I said, your house is real close to this, 428 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.559 and he's like yeah, And I said, let me send you a 429 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.200 link, and so I sent him the link that carry Arnold did on Sisters 430 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:10.720 of the Moon. When we're talking about all that, I said, I 431 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.920 said, you're going to hear a story where we recorded gibberish and had a 432 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.200 lot of activity. I said, that's about five miles from your y'all spar 433 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.880 and he was like yeah. So now he's all the time sending me stuff. 434 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.039 But it's pretty cool.