1 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,439 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host. We 2 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,640 have Chris Cogswell on the show tonight. He was on a couple of years 3 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:41,560 ago. He's really a very nice guy, real fun to be on the 4 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,920 show. I'm glad he chose to come back when I asked him. And 5 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,799 he is the chair of the Science Advisory Board of sky Hub. This is 6 00:00:50,799 --> 00:00:56,039 something fairly new which he has gotten into. And sky Hub is a worldwide 7 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:03,240 basically a worldwide search for UFOs using a glow network of machine learning, smart 8 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:10,079 cameras and sensors, sensor arrays built by you, yes you, with their 9 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:15,480 open source software. And this is actually the largest They're trying to create the 10 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:23,840 largest observational science project in history. Wow, that's amazing. So I have 11 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,280 to tell you one of the benefits of doing a show like this is sometimes 12 00:01:27,599 --> 00:01:34,519 I get to see things ahead of most people. And I'm not trying to 13 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,120 sound like I'm bragging or anything like that. I'm just I'm excited to tell 14 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:44,120 you that I did get to watch the screener for the Phenomenon and it totally 15 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:49,359 lives up to the great work that you would expect from James Fox. If 16 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,280 you watched Out of the Blue or I know what, I saw films like 17 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,879 that that he's done in the past, And I'll tell you at the ending 18 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,439 of the movie it's very, very moving. And if you're newish to the 19 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:07,840 UFO field, you're not gonna want to miss this because there's a lot you 20 00:02:07,879 --> 00:02:10,599 can learn by watching this. And I'll tell you if you were, if 21 00:02:10,599 --> 00:02:15,000 you were a skeptic, you'd be thinking twice, if you know, I 22 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:21,120 know how a skeptic is probably not going to watch a show about UFOs just 23 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:25,280 because, but if some do, they're gonna maybe think twice a little bit 24 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:31,120 on some things that are just really undeniable. So you can pre order this 25 00:02:31,759 --> 00:02:39,400 now on Apple, tv, UM, Amazon Prime, Vimo, and Voodoo. 26 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:45,280 And I gotta tell you, I got contact today from someone from Canada 27 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:50,960 and he says there's he can't because he's Canadian. He can't order it through 28 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:57,240 Amazon, CEA or anything like that. He's tried all the other programs and 29 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,240 you just can't get through being from Canada. And I'm sorry about that. 30 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:07,120 And that message I sent over to get to James Fox and he's going to 31 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:12,599 be looking into that. See if you can solve that problem. I want 32 00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:15,960 to thank everyone that listens to the show, and I also want to thank 33 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:22,639 everyone behind the scenes that helps out tonight. We do not have a phone 34 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,879 screener. We do not have a phone. There's something wrong with the phone 35 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:31,520 system. Hopefully that will be fixed by next week. And so if you 36 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,319 are going to ask questions and chat, please do all caps so I don't 37 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,520 miss them, and please be kind to each other and chat. So Also, 38 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,199 we have a very active Facebook page and this show is actually playing simulcast 39 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:54,319 on Facebook as well, and that's at basically Facebook slash podcast ufo dot com. 40 00:03:54,360 --> 00:04:00,199 There's about twenty some thousand people over there. It's pretty active. A 41 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,520 lot of times there's new news put up there. I want to thank everyone 42 00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:06,840 also that helps support the show. I really couldn't do it without you. 43 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,960 And anyone can support the show for two dollars or more a month and you 44 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,959 can find that on our Patreon link over there at podcast ufo dot com. 45 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,439 And while you're there, check out the latest blog by Charles Lear. It's 46 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:28,439 titled Michigan UFOs on Radar and it's about a night back in March. I 47 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,920 guess it was March eighth, nineteen ninety four, meteorologist Jack busch On was 48 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:42,600 manning the National Weather Service office and he saw after he was contacted about some 49 00:04:42,759 --> 00:04:45,800 UFOs, he actually saw them on radar. It's a very interesting story. 50 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,120 And as I mentioned here in the last number of shows, Charles Lear, 51 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,839 the author of the blog, is creating an audio blog. It's going to 52 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:58,360 be posted here on YouTube. Also wherever you get your podcasts, it's going 53 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:02,920 to be in that feed as well. And let's see, um, I 54 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:10,160 think that is gonna just about do it for us. And let me do 55 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,720 a little bit of an adjustment here. And actually you can see on YouTube 56 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,079 you can see my green screen. I had a better green screen background, 57 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:20,720 but it kind of like went berserk just as I was starting the show, 58 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:24,839 so I changed it to this looks like I'm in the garden here. I'm 59 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,800 gonna be working on that making it better and net for now we're bringing there, 60 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:30,800 I guess. Chris Cogswell, welcome to the show. Hey Martin, 61 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:34,600 thanks so much for having me. Thank you. I guess it's been two 62 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:39,879 years. At times flying a lot has happened. Yeah, I guess, 63 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:43,360 so it's been. It's been a while more and more than I expected it 64 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:46,079 had been. Actually it time flies when you're having fun. I guess. 65 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:49,519 Yeah, A lot has happened in this in the UFO field, it seems 66 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:55,000 like, you know, there's something going on almost on a weekly basis. 67 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,439 That is that is true? Yeah, stuff happens. M oh, my 68 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:03,000 goodness on stuff just goes crazy, you know, stuff. Stuff happens all 69 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,560 the time here. So it's pretty intense. But we are we're excited to 70 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:11,480 be helping out as much as we can. So right, and we're gonna 71 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,959 be talking about that. Now. You went to the same school my son 72 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,040 did at first unh and uh and yeah wildcats and go Wildcats. There we 73 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:24,519 go. I'd like to hear and uh, you got your PhD? I 74 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,879 forget where did you get that? I got my PhD from Northeastern University. 75 00:06:28,199 --> 00:06:32,319 Oh nice school, great school, and and uh and what did what did 76 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:38,079 you get? The PhD in my PhD is in chemical engineering, So my 77 00:06:38,079 --> 00:06:41,480 my thesis focused on the creation of nano materials. So we worked on things 78 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:46,519 called metal organic frameworks and layered zeolites. So I think, um, layers 79 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,480 of stuff one to two nanimeters thick, staffed on top of each other and 80 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,480 engineered for specific purposes. So yeah, well and anyone could do that. 81 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,439 Yeah, it's you know what, it's actually funny. I always joke with 82 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,000 people if you read my it sounds so complicated, or some of the papers 83 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,759 that I've published, it sounds very complicated. But ultimately, if you can 84 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,959 bake a cake, you can bake an animateial. That's good to know. 85 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:12,240 We might all have to do that at some point. There we go. 86 00:07:12,399 --> 00:07:16,199 We never know. So basically, can you tell us your background for the 87 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,040 I've mentioned this almost every show. I have a lot of new listeners and 88 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:24,600 some most people are a lot of people that listen to the show have never 89 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,000 heard you before. It really don't know how you got into the UFO topic 90 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,959 or other topics. So you talk about quite a few things on your show, 91 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,480 The Mad Scientist. Is that what that's called Mad Scientist podcast? The 92 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,800 Mad Scientist Podcast. Yeah, so I kind of got involved, I guess, 93 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,319 you know, because of my family, because of my grandmother specifically, 94 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,560 So my family is originally my mom's side of the family, at least the 95 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:51,279 side that I kind of grew up with and around, is originally from Italy, 96 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,600 and so my mom has in her family, they have a lot of 97 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,680 like anyone whose family is from you know, they're immigrants from other countries. 98 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:05,480 I think there's a lot of a lot of kind of different cultures and things 99 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:11,439 than kind of is standard, to say, the normal Middle America view of 100 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,759 things. And part of that is is a very heavy emphasis on spirituality, 101 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:22,279 and on not even just spirituality, but I would almost say superstition that there 102 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:26,519 is. You know, my grandma had a lot of ideas about stuff that 103 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,480 worked that probably didn't work, but she swears swore they did. So you 104 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,480 know, things like um, she would make every day for herself kind of 105 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,799 a concoction of like lemons and yogurt and onion and like you know, herbs 106 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,440 and stuff and whatever, and she would eat that every morning despite it tasting 107 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:46,200 terrible, because she was like, this is what's keeping me alive. Is 108 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,360 she's still alive, like in a hundred something she's My grandma passed away actually 109 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:54,000 a couple of years ago now, but she was like ninety five. All 110 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,000 right, Seeing everyone works, so maybe it works. I don't know, 111 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,840 you know what I mean, I really I should get out of the podcast 112 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:05,279 game and get into the curdled yogurt game. Clearly, you know, doctor 113 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:11,480 Koswell's magic Lemon formula, you know. But but so from through her and 114 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:13,399 then through my mom, who my mom has always kind of been open to 115 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,759 you know, spirituality and New Age ideas and things like that, and also 116 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:22,399 was always really into sci fi and horror movies and all that when I was 117 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:28,480 a kid, you know, she was really open to me reading about like 118 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:33,639 new religions and new ideas and stuff like that. And and as a little 119 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,879 kid who was really interested in science fiction and science, the UFO topic was 120 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,279 kind of a no brainer because it was, you know, of those subjects 121 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:50,080 we can think of as being sort of forty and mysterious whatever. The UFO 122 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,279 subject is the closest in my mind, has always been the closest to being 123 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,960 real, do you know what I mean. There's the best evidence for it 124 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,759 in my mind. And so I always loved the topic and just sort of 125 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,600 got you know, once I ordered, Once I had that first book and 126 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:11,519 heard the first story, there was no going back. Yeah, yeah, 127 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:16,720 there are there are so many there's so many compelling stories this really, you 128 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,720 know, it can't be denied that. I was just kind of reminded of 129 00:10:20,759 --> 00:10:26,200 that after I watched James Fox's you know latest movie that there's just so many 130 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,960 in that movie, there's just and it's quite a compilation of of you know, 131 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:39,039 sightings and witnesses, and there wasn't one witness in that entire movie that 132 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,279 I thought, well, you know, maybe I don't believe him. I'm 133 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,720 I mean, they're all so believable. There's really something happening and undeniable. 134 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:50,960 Sure, yeah, it's hard. You know. That's the one thing to 135 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,440 me that has always been so interesting is and it's part of why I got 136 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,200 involved in you know, so your listeners mean, I know this, so 137 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,039 I got I originally got involved in this subject actually at UNH doing philosophy research 138 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:09,519 on science and technology and why certain scientific ideas are accepted and others aren't. 139 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:13,600 And then I went to grad school, obviously, and in grad school I 140 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:20,240 missed talking about this sort of subject. So I decided to start my podcast, 141 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:22,840 which is the Mad Scientist podcast, And on that show, we talk 142 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:28,360 about kind of the scientific ideas and philosophy and everything else behind these subjects. 143 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:31,480 And one thing we always talk about on the show is the fact that you 144 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:37,360 know, if you have a single weird event case or even just a cluster 145 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:43,000 of cases, that it's interesting but still explainable. But when you have something 146 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,919 like the UFO subject, which appears to span decades upon decades of information, 147 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:56,039 thousands of people every year reports something, you know, families have consistent experiences 148 00:11:56,039 --> 00:12:00,919 over time, it is very interesting and I think very compelling UM and part 149 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,039 of the reason why I became involved in groups like say sky Hub, or 150 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,679 even the SEU before it, or even the little bit that I was at 151 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:13,759 moff on UM. The goal has always been to try and use big data 152 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:20,919 methodologies and data analytics to cut through the noise. You know, you can 153 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:26,120 you can you can ignore or even disbelieve a single case, even if the 154 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:28,960 witness is stellar, even if there's evidence for the case right. But what 155 00:12:30,039 --> 00:12:35,159 you can't ignore is a continued pattern of cases that to me is really the 156 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:39,720 goal with these subjects like this. Yeah, I mean you're right, I 157 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:45,360 mean just for seventy years, you know, and long before that, but 158 00:12:45,399 --> 00:12:50,360 I mean like a steady seventy years more or lastly, now with your your 159 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:56,159 your background and you just talked about your thesis, the let's just say, 160 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,399 like a nanomta materials. I don't even know if that's quite the right term, 161 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:07,399 but would you think that if we had crash material like that? It's 162 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:11,080 been talked about, you know, quite a bit lately in the news and 163 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:16,600 you know, the New York Times and all that. If we actually had 164 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,039 a crashed vehicle, is that what we look for? Something very strange that 165 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:26,399 would have to be manufactured? And or could it you know, I mean 166 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:31,879 they could be using the same material we would use also. Yeah, So 167 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:35,519 that's a really it's a really good question, and it's a very complicated. 168 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:37,200 It has a lot of parts, It has a lot of moving parts. 169 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:45,279 I think that there are you know, the example I give is just imagine, 170 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:48,960 you know, if we think that's a civilization or a species that is 171 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:56,679 able to travel here from far away, they would have to be thousands of 172 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:01,519 years advanced from us, even given the curve of the the technology progresses here, 173 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,519 we would think that it would it would have to be at least a 174 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:09,919 couple thousand years potentially. If we just think about, let's do something relatively 175 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:15,159 simple a CD ROM. Right, If we were to give a CD ROM 176 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,960 to someone a hundred years ago, right, so, just a LaserDisc cd 177 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,960 ROM, they would have no idea what it was for, Right, They 178 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:28,120 would have no, there'd be no concept even about this is for storing information 179 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:31,120 or this is for you know, as far as they're aware, it maybe 180 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,559 is a kind of mirror. Maybe it's like a flying gets a toy. 181 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:39,600 Like right, there's it's hard to grasp even the point of the material. 182 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:45,200 But what they would be able to tell is that the material has clearly been 183 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,559 engineered in some way. So what I mean by that is, for example, 184 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:54,559 the layers, the layer itself and the material, the materials micro structure 185 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:00,320 is very specifically built right in a way that we don't anticipate what happen in 186 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:05,320 nature. There may be properties of the material, for example, on a 187 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:09,679 laser, or on a disc rather or on a CD rum um the surface 188 00:15:09,759 --> 00:15:13,720 has been polished to such an extent and it's been made defect free, as 189 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:18,399 defect free as we can. That is something that we don't expect to occur 190 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,240 in nature. So I would argue that if we're looking at a crashed material, 191 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:24,080 or if we're looking at a crashed vehicle, we probably would be looking 192 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,360 for materials. And so although we may not know what they're we might not 193 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:31,679 know what they're being used for, what their application is, we should be 194 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,960 able to tell at least these have been engineered, these have been made in 195 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,360 a way that we don't expect to happen on Earth. Yeah, but you 196 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:41,879 know, and I hear a lot of times when people are speculating that, 197 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:48,120 you know, there's almost like we know about all the elements. So these 198 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:50,440 elements could be used anywhere, you know, from anywhere in the universe, 199 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:54,360 or they could be from right here. So there's no way of knowing. 200 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:58,759 But uh, you know, I would imagine that it's possible that there are 201 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:03,399 some elements that we have discovered yet, I mean, or elements in parts 202 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:07,200 of the universe. It may not be here. So besides, just so 203 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:12,320 okay, the elements there are, we anticipate that there would be elements above 204 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:17,440 say element I think it's like one eighteen, which are stable. It's called 205 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,559 the island of stability, which is this idea in atomic chemistry and kind of 206 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:26,879 nuclear physics nuclear chemistry, that these elements would be more stable than say the 207 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,600 radioactive elements we know today. Right, there is a limit though on how 208 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:33,320 stable something could be. But there are some theories out there that maybe there 209 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:38,399 is chemistry of these super heavy elements, right for example, that's one potential 210 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,200 thing. But we don't even have to get that complicated. We don't. 211 00:16:42,279 --> 00:16:45,759 You know, when a meteorite crashes on Earth today, or when a piece 212 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:51,759 of space debriate crashes on the Earth today, researchers on Earth actually get that 213 00:16:51,879 --> 00:16:57,039 material and then they'll study it for crystal structures, alloys, material phases, 214 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:02,919 things like that which don't normally occur on the surface of the Earth. Right, 215 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:07,759 So that's actually have a lot of research into things like say metal or 216 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:12,319 rather magnets today occur, or other kind of high performance materials or alloys or 217 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:17,880 not really alloys there. Crystal structures or some of my crystal instructures we look 218 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,079 to see are their combinations that occur someplace else that don't normally occur on Earth. 219 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,200 Right. And what I mean by what I mean by um, what 220 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:32,880 I mean by say a combination is something like, actually, this might be 221 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:37,039 a good a good chance to show my screen. Yeah sure, so just 222 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:41,640 remember you can choose the window or tap perfect. Yeah. Actually, let 223 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,119 me let me share my screen here, and I'm going to do the whole 224 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,039 screen and nothing but share this, the whole screen and nothing but the screen. 225 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,960 Right, Okay, are you ready? Great? Yep? I'm ready 226 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,400 all right, Okay, let me just switch these two. Hang on, 227 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,440 that's not letting me do it. I wonder why. So miniaturize yourself, 228 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:06,640 Um, if you can, you'll see a place where you can pop yourself 229 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,880 out down at the bottom. Um, I don't want to remove you. 230 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:18,160 Yeah, let me see if I can. Here we go. Okay, 231 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,000 are we good? Yep, we're good? Perfect? Okay great. So 232 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,839 Um, this is, for example, the crystal structure of sodium chloride, 233 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:29,839 which is just table salt. Right. And you'll notice that these sodium and 234 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,960 chloride ions, they actually exist in a repetitive structure, right, because it's 235 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:40,440 a crystal. It's a crystalline structure. But you can imagine that if instead 236 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:47,599 of it being sodium chlorine sodium chlorine, it would say sodium nothing, chlorine 237 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,240 nothing sodium. Right. So you can have different permutations of the same of 238 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:56,480 the same molecule or of the same crystal that form in different ways. So 239 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,799 and that would give us different um what's the word? That would give us 240 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:07,799 different ultimate properties of the final material. So even though we might know all 241 00:19:07,839 --> 00:19:11,400 the elements, we can't possibly know all of the different ways that they'll be 242 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,920 put together. And so and even in solid materials that are simple. Right, 243 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,599 So sodium chloride, we know that it has this phase let's say, 244 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,200 right, So we can do here like phase diagram. Let's say steel. 245 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,559 Right, So we know, for example, steel is a certain structure, 246 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,960 right, but it all of these different phases here, right, gamma or 247 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:40,559 austinite steel here we have alpha plus iron carbon steel or fair right steel. 248 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,799 Right. Depending on the conditions, steel ends up becoming different solid structures. 249 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:51,640 And so this is, for example, an area where we might expect there 250 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,160 to be new materials that we would get from say a crashed saucer or something 251 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:02,200 would be Okay, maybe we have a good idea that this is how iron 252 00:20:02,279 --> 00:20:07,000 behaves in these regions of temperature and pressure, or temperature and composition in this 253 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:11,559 case. But maybe there's a region someplace here for example. You know, 254 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:15,240 we've never studied all of these areas on this graph, right, So there 255 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:21,480 might be places that are come up with what are called new thermodynamic phases of 256 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:26,519 these crystals or these solid structures that we don't anticipate occurring on Earth. You 257 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:30,200 know, So I see there might be imagining the temperature if we're at very 258 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:37,079 very high temperatures there might be completely different phases of steel that we've never discovered, 259 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,920 we've never worked on before, just because we've never tried it. So, 260 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,480 you know, we anyone who tells you we know everything about the earth 261 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:47,720 right now, we know everything about science, we know whatever. You know, 262 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,480 people have been claiming that we know everything about the physical world since ancient 263 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:56,160 Greece, and they've never been right, and they will never be right. 264 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,759 You know, there's always something new to learn. So it's a it's a 265 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:04,640 good it's a great question though. Yeah, well I think it is. 266 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:08,599 It is interesting when you you really think about, um, you know, 267 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:14,720 you just mentioned the different temperatures and things like that that can cause uh, 268 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,079 but also that you're saying that things can be put together in different ways that 269 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,160 we're just not familiar with. It is that kind of where I'm absolutely, 270 00:21:23,319 --> 00:21:26,759 yeah, yes, absolutely, you know. The another good example from baking 271 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:30,279 again, because I'm I'm a simple man. I love cake and pies and 272 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:34,200 everything else, right, I love baking. So another good example of baking 273 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:40,240 is you can imagine you can have flour, eggs, milk, and butter, 274 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:42,799 but you can put them together in different ways and bake them at different 275 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:48,160 temperatures and times and and and everything else, and you can get completely different 276 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,920 results, right, you can get um, you can get you know, 277 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,759 sponge cake and let in regular cake and uh whatever, right, um, 278 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,160 creams and all this other kind of stuff. So really, when it comes 279 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,279 to making materials, it is a lot more complicated than just the elements put 280 00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:07,759 together. Right. It's the elements, it's the time that you gave them 281 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:12,440 to build. It's the temperature, it's the pressure, it's the mixture ratios, 282 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,519 it's it's all of those other things, right. Um, so yeah, 283 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:18,920 no, there are there are loads of other phases of material that we 284 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,599 haven't discovered yet. All right, Well, it looks like someone in the 285 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:27,000 chat rooms getting right into your sky Hub. I want to talk about that. 286 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:32,079 He has a question for you about the cameras. But let's why don't 287 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,119 we jump into that. We've got plenty plenty of time to talk about all 288 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:40,559 kinds of things. But let's talk about sky hub and and how that all 289 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:45,880 began the founder contacted you or how did that happen? Yeah, so sky 290 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,599 Hub. Actually, it's funny, there have been for a long time, 291 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,519 there have been a couple of well for a long time, Um, there 292 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:55,880 have been efforts in the past to do something similar to what Skyhub is doing 293 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,720 now, right. Yeah, So actually the first one of the first systems 294 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,640 that was built to do this was called a Baker nun camera system and that 295 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,079 was built in like the nineteen sixties nineteen fifties by NASSA. And what they 296 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,960 were trying to do was actually to study the motion of satellites, right because 297 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,359 this was the first time that this had happened. We suddenly have things flying 298 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,640 in the sky above us all the time in near earth atmosphere, so they 299 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,640 would develop these systems to try to try to track how those objects are moving 300 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,400 in the sky. Over time, obviously, the technology that's needed for this 301 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:33,759 has gotten better and better and better. So the system that we use today 302 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:41,240 at sky Hub is a you know, the computer itself is very small. 303 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:47,000 It is maybe about three inches by four inches large, so it's a very 304 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:48,920 small system. It's a very small unit. Um. I actually have one 305 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,519 running right now, just right on my window sill currently. That's why I'm 306 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:56,680 looking at it to be like how big is that thing? About three and 307 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:06,720 you know, so this effort essentially though really kind of started as the brainchild 308 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,279 of a couple of folks on our team currently. So the people that kind 309 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:15,240 of really put this together right now are Steve McDaniel, Corey Gasbard, and 310 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:21,200 then Adam Allen, who actually were working in another group previous to this but 311 00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:25,200 decided to kind of break off and do their own thing. And so Steve 312 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:30,240 and Corey are really the kind of Steve, Corey and all and Adam, 313 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,359 I should say, are the co founders of this group. Steve is the 314 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,680 lead software developer, Corey is the lead web developer or web developer, and 315 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,319 then Adam it does legal affairs and data licensing for us. And then as 316 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,279 we were, as they were building their team, they actually approached me a 317 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,680 couple of times and asked, would you want to be, you know, 318 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:48,559 on the team, would you want to be chair of the science advisor? 319 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:52,720 Would you want to do these other things? And actually the first couple of 320 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:55,799 times I turned them down because I was like, well, you're you're making 321 00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:57,440 a lot of promises, but I want to see some results, right, 322 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,920 I want to does this thing work? Doesn't work? And they have they 323 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,400 have proved it to me since then that in fact, it does work. 324 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:10,400 And not only not only does it work, but someone who is as bad 325 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,240 with computers as I am, can put one together and have it running. 326 00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:18,319 So UM, we're we're pretty excited. So anyways, they asked me to 327 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:22,400 take part in this and I accepted, and since then now we have been 328 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:25,880 kind of moving forward. We've added onto the team a couple of other people 329 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,079 as we go forward here. Richard Hoff has been helping us with machining and 330 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,599 design of the actual enclosures themselves. So the system, the kind of computer 331 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,480 UM, the cameras, the GPS, the sensor modules, all of those 332 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:47,839 things are we wanted to use as basically as cheap options as we could while 333 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,359 they're still formidable enough to do what we want them to do. They still 334 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,559 have the computing power we need, and they're still able to kind of exist 335 00:25:55,599 --> 00:26:02,000 out there in the elements. So these can be an and and out the 336 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:07,640 any any elements, like in Alaska someplace like that. UM. So we 337 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,920 haven't tested them in Alaska yet, but the goal would be here that they 338 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:18,519 would be able to withstand um kind of average ranges of temperature and pressure and 339 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,440 you know, humidity and rain and weather and vents and things like that. 340 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:29,319 So currently we have them running UM in so we have a couple in Texas. 341 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,319 We have one here in Massachusetts where I am, we have one in 342 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,319 Delaware, UM, and then we have one in Austria, and I want 343 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:40,759 to say we have one in France as well. So far M the team. 344 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,680 We haven't officially launched yet. These are all tests. These are all 345 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,160 tests devices right now, I seem to do this however, as someone in 346 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:53,400 the chat actually smartly has pointed out already, we are essentially utilizing UM the 347 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:57,480 goal. So let me start from the beginning here a little bit more uh 348 00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:03,759 successfully. I'll say. One of the main problems with the UFO subject for 349 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:08,559 a long time has been when there have been serious efforts to collect data, 350 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,839 that data ends up going into a black box. So for example, if 351 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:18,559 we think about you know, UM large organizations that actually study you know, 352 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,960 UFO cases, that data never makes its way out there to the public and 353 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,799 it's really hard to get access tom. On the other hand, when there 354 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:33,000 have been scientific efforts to do this work, say through through the government or 355 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:37,880 through you know, organizations or universities or whatever, again that data has never 356 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:44,200 really been made available to the average person. So the goal here is the 357 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:49,079 goal here is to create an open source data science platform where people can build 358 00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:53,839 these themselves. They can then capture the video themselves if they want, they 359 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,000 can upload them onto our system so that we can analyze them and have them 360 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,480 kind of come together into one larger system, and then that data as we 361 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:06,759 go through it will be made available to the public. Right. So the 362 00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:10,319 goal here eventually is that if we have one of these things running and it's 363 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,240 out there in the field, you'll be able to get that data. Right 364 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,079 you watching right now on this video, you in the chat will be able 365 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,640 to log onto that system and see that data that's coming in. That's really 366 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,319 the ultimate goal here is to make an open source, relatively inexpensive, freely 367 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:32,960 available database of software that people can install onto their Linux machines. So we 368 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:37,279 use the jets and nano currently, but they can follow along on the wiki. 369 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,039 They can get the information on how to build these things, and then 370 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,039 it'll run based on the software that we've built and are going to deploy to 371 00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,480 the public. Now I'm on your checking out your site. Now, are 372 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:53,799 you going to have like a system where someone can log in eventually or is 373 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,039 that it's just going to be playing open to you know, I'm just thinking 374 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,960 about how people can submit, you know, like if they become part of 375 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,519 the part of the program or whatever. Someone wants to have a camera. 376 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,759 I mean, I live in this great area up in Maine on the coast 377 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,640 where I can see the Milky Way. It's so clear, you know clear. 378 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,319 Sky is not saying that just because I can see the Milky Way, 379 00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:19,359 I'm going to see UFOs. But no. So the goal would be basically, 380 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,599 it's okay. The way that it works is let me show you mine. 381 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,759 Let me show my screen again. Act sure you got so people can 382 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:33,599 kind of see what I'm going to be showing. So you're ready, can 383 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:37,519 yeah, I'm ready? Okay, Okay. So if people go to skyhub 384 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,720 dot org, which is our website, they can see here join the chat, 385 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:42,799 and then they can also download the source code. So if they want 386 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:45,119 to be part of the chat, they just click on and join the chat 387 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,440 here and it'll it'll bring them to what it's called rocket Chat, which is 388 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,519 up here. And this is the tool that we currently are using right to 389 00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:56,599 do our chat, our chat stuff, and all the work that we've actually 390 00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,680 been doing as we move forward. If you want to learn how to build 391 00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:04,079 one of these things, you would go here to resources and go here to 392 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:08,680 the wiki page. So on the sky Hub wiki, here we have a 393 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:11,240 thing that says, okay, how you can get involved, of course, 394 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,960 but we also have here guides. So if you go to guides, we 395 00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:19,319 have how to set up your tracker, how to download and use the main 396 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:23,240 interface for sky Hub, how to build your enclosure, and then how to 397 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:29,200 do final checks and tests before the tracker becomes deployed, so to speak. 398 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,559 Right, so tracker set up here, You can see here what we needs. 399 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,480 You need these internet gables, you need the barrel jacks, these screws, 400 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,480 etc. Etc. But we talk about how to build this right. 401 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,519 So here we have the jets and nano platform. You apply the fan, 402 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,759 then you can set up your PSU or you can just use the power connected 403 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,119 to your wall, set up your SD card right and run the actual nano 404 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,599 system itself to begin with, and then set up your GPS. Right. 405 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,839 So, what would just for just of the listener out there right now? 406 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,799 What would this problem? What would be the approximate cost to set this up 407 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:10,400 for someone that is really interested in helping out. Yeah, great question. 408 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:15,279 So the goal is to make the system cost about three hundred dollars. Now 409 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,079 what we are That three hundred dollars, though, doesn't go to us, 410 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,759 right, That three hundred dollars goes to getting the fan, getting the PS, 411 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,039 getting the actual system itself, getting all the coreds you need, getting 412 00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:30,599 the camera right, all those other things. The goal, really, or 413 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,559 really the challenge, I guess, is building a system like this that is 414 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:37,599 accessible enough to average people. You know, none of us on the team 415 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:41,880 are millionaires, right where we don't have unlimited funds to build these things and 416 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:47,200 everything else. You know, the sky Hub, the sky Hub system right 417 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,720 now that I have. You know that money came out of my beer fund, 418 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,720 you know what I mean. That's you know, it's you know, 419 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:56,240 it's for the love of science though, so it's fine, but you know 420 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,160 it's we want it to be accessible to people, so you can build it, 421 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,559 you can run it, will help you troubleshoot, will help you set 422 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:07,880 it up, all those other things. But the bare minimum system that we 423 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,319 suggest would be about three hundred dollars. Now, like I said, though, 424 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,240 if you have extra money lying around, if you're you know, I 425 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,599 don't know, a wealthy retiree or a you know, a young startup millionaire 426 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,359 or whatever. You can buy a better system equipment, right, Like you 427 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,200 can buy a better camera, you can buy a better GPS, you can 428 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,960 buy a better computer to run this thing on. All of that is also 429 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:36,079 possible, but we want to have a minimum standard whereby the vast majority of 430 00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:38,079 people can buy the stuff, they can put it together themselves, and then 431 00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:42,599 they can run this. Right at the end of the day, all of 432 00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:44,839 this stuff is kind of out of the box, right, It's supposed to 433 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:51,000 be plug in play. What we are actually giving though, is the software 434 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,519 itself. Right, So if you go to our git lab repository, you 435 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:57,880 can see all of the software, all the code that we our team is 436 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,319 built essentially, right. It's it's quite a bit of code that the team 437 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:07,359 has been working really hard, and there's a lot there. But once you've 438 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:13,279 run it essentially, you can then access your Skyhub system and then you can 439 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:19,079 basically you can basically run the camera itself. Have you heard of eagle Board? 440 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:23,839 No? I have not. Okay, someone was asking it's some type 441 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,079 of system. Someone was asking why you wouldn't use that, So it's nothing 442 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:31,640 I'm familiar with. So yeah, So most of the reason why we're using 443 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,640 kind of what we're using actually is because it will connect nice and easily to 444 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:40,839 the sensor platforms that we're hoping to utilize. So right now the current system, 445 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:46,000 so let me go here and here, so sensor array, right, 446 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,559 let me just mention this too. I'd say about eighty percent of the listens 447 00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:54,039 to the show is probably through the audio podcast. So I'm going to have 448 00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:59,640 a link in the show notes to the skyhub dot org so you can check 449 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,759 out everything that Chris is talking about right now. Yeah, really really good 450 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:07,880 call there. So the reason we're using the stuff that we're using currently is 451 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:14,400 because we are we are in development currently with building further sensor systems. Right. 452 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,960 So example here this wit motion does kind of the motion or the movement 453 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,559 of the box itself. Right. Some of these here are temperature sensors are 454 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:29,519 eventually we're hoping to have things like infrared or other radio signals or electromagnetic spectrum 455 00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,840 signals that we can do. We have GPS, we have these other expansions 456 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,159 and things like that, so there's a lot of sensors that we can play 457 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:39,880 with here. We're thinking about like stuff like geophones and you know, Geiger 458 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,800 counters and all the kind of sensors you can think of. But really for 459 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,880 the first system here, it's it's simple, right, it's a camera, 460 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,280 it is a GPS dongle essentially, and it's the computer itself. That's the 461 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,960 base level system you need. Now the ultimate goal of the system here, 462 00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:04,119 so let me show you a little bit about So this is what we envision 463 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,760 the ultimate enclosure will look like. There actually is one of these already in 464 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,559 existence living out in Austria, which is really cool. But so if you 465 00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,159 look at the system here, so this is a phish eye camera and then 466 00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:21,159 this is a past camera. What the software actually does is as an object 467 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,920 comes into the field of view of the fish eye camera, it treats that 468 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,760 as a point source and then it will tell the past camera to point over 469 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,840 to that point source and then track it as it moves across the sky. 470 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,559 Currently, what works right now, or what is in the first release of 471 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,079 the system at this point in time, is the fish eye camera. So 472 00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:43,800 in other words, if you build one of these, your fish eye camera 473 00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:46,960 will be able to capture objects as they come into the field of view, 474 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,599 track them, and then we're actually able to pull the data out of that 475 00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:57,559 and do some image analysis essentially to get things like say a velocity and acceleration, 476 00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:00,519 etc. All of that is kind of in development past the V one 477 00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:06,119 release, But the simple V one release is the camera system can track objects. 478 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,320 It'll be able to tell this is something out of the ordinary or this 479 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,440 is something of interest, and then it can actually upload it to the cloud 480 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,239 automatically for us. Ah, I'm gonna just pop up quickly this right here. 481 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:23,559 Let's see here. Let me stop sharing my So this is what this 482 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,320 person in chat said. It's called beagle Bone. I never heard of it. 483 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,320 It's a learning AI. It's also crowdsource. You know. I don't 484 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,679 know if it's something you can you know, make work through this. But 485 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,400 anyway, it's just a suggestion. Okay, yeah, yeah, really good, 486 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,840 really good question, A really good suggestion there. So, Actually, 487 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,480 the other reason that we're using the jets and Nano is that it's an a 488 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:52,280 video platform, so it already has a lot of out of the box software 489 00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:55,480 for things like say, tracking of objects as they move across the screen and 490 00:36:55,519 --> 00:37:00,960 things like that. So because of the videos, because Navidia has such a 491 00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:06,000 robust developer community already, there is a lot of software and a lot of 492 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,800 already people kind of working on that outside of sky Hub, of course, 493 00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:15,280 but we're able to pull from that large repository of development on the navidio platform. 494 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,960 But it's a really great I mean, that person who made that suggestion 495 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,239 please join our chat and help us code. Yeah, yeah, there you 496 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,960 go, answers. We'd love to have you anyone in the chat. Seriously, 497 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:29,719 we would love to have you please, that's Stephen. Yeah, well, 498 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,480 uh, it's really it's fascinating. What is your I guess what is 499 00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:37,880 the mission statement? What is the goal? Uh, you know, get 500 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,119 people all over the world you know, doing this ice in the sky. 501 00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:45,960 So the ultimate yeah, the ultimate goal really is so we kind of have 502 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,760 a couple of different things, Um, what's the word. We have a 503 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,360 couple of fear frank, a couple of different goals going on simultaneously. But 504 00:37:54,400 --> 00:38:01,280 the ultimate goal is to create a open source data collection platform for people who 505 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,760 are interested in this subject to be able to actually do something about studying it, 506 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:12,840 right, That's the ultimate goal here. So our best case scenario would 507 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,719 be we have a sky Hub tracker. You know, we have a bunch 508 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,639 of these trackers across the United States. Let's say and then we are able 509 00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,199 to say, or we are able to see, for example, an object 510 00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:27,880 as it moves through the sky in different locations. So you can imagine, 511 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,559 Martin, if you have one of these up in Maine. We put one 512 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:34,239 in New Hampshire someplace. I've got one here in Massachusetts on the coast. 513 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,480 If we're able to see that objects it moves across the sky from all three 514 00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:42,840 of our cameras, that is much more compelling than a single person with a 515 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,000 cell phone camera. Right, that's the goal. Get Yeah, and actually 516 00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:49,840 I can show you already a video that we've actually already captured. Is this 517 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,360 one in Texas in May? It is the Texas one in May. Yeah. 518 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,440 You know what's so funny is we actually had we had that unit deployed 519 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,079 for like a weekend, and it already captured something like are you kidding me? 520 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,679 We've already got something cool on here. Now I'm not saying it's UFO, 521 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,320 but it certainly doesn't look like it's behaving like a like an airplane. 522 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,880 Right, It's like, I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens. 523 00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:15,360 Right, I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens, Right, Um, 524 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,159 it's very it's very exciting stuff. I mean, you know, we're 525 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,639 we're able to do all of this in different ways and kind of you know, 526 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,280 ultimately, again the goal is to let is to have this community kind 527 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,440 of come together and do something here, which is which is very interesting. 528 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,039 A question is what language are they coding the sin and I don't know, 529 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,760 is there such a thing as Yeah, yeah, no, that's a really 530 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,639 good question. So, um, we're currently I want to say that we 531 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:52,039 are. That is a question for someone who is better at computers than I 532 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:57,239 am. Let me say that. So why my role on the Science Board 533 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,800 really is essentially to come up with So that's definitely a question for Steve or 534 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,599 Corey, right, the actual developers, the people that are writing the code 535 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,880 itself. Right, Um, it's a really good question. Though I want 536 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,760 to I don't want to give you an answer and then they'd be wrong, 537 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,360 right, That's that's kind of the the baseline here. That's why I'm kind 538 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:21,559 of not really good an answer right now. But yeah I will. I 539 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:25,719 will absolutely if after the show DM me or even go into the Rocket chat 540 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,119 itself and ask that question. It's a very very good question, and yeah, 541 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:34,440 they'd they'd love to be able to help you there um more on that 542 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,320 stuff. So my role as part of the science team is to actually do 543 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,760 the data analysis or figure out how to do the data analytics. So what 544 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,400 we're actually doing with this stuff is we are there's a couple of different things 545 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:53,480 going on simultaneously. So there are there are sensors, right, that are 546 00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:58,639 collecting data, there are the video streams that are collecting the videos, and 547 00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,199 then there is the analytics on top of those videos. For example, right, 548 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,960 you can't just tell a computer that, oh, there's this video and 549 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,840 figure out where the object is and whatever. You actually have to code all 550 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,280 of that, and that's partly why we're using the video platform. Part of 551 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,559 the goal here, for example, would be imagine you have an object on 552 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:20,480 these videos and it's a point sorce, right, So actually I can this 553 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,320 will probably be better to show here. Let me share my screen quickly. 554 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,159 Are you showing the video now or something? Yeah, I'm going to share 555 00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:35,360 the video, so let me do that quickly and show you this, so 556 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:38,239 one second here, let me and again, well for people listening to this, 557 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:44,440 there's also skyhob actually has a YouTube channel you can check out. They 558 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,480 have on I don't know, maybe only about four videos up there so far, 559 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:51,719 but this video is on that. So yeah, yeah, so are 560 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,239 ready to share that? I'm ready to share it. Okay, okay, 561 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,800 and hang on just a second. We'll pop it here. Okay, here 562 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,800 we go, all right, So here I'm going to play this Now, 563 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,320 why is it circular? Is that the camera it's a fish eye camera yep. 564 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,880 So it's it's a circular screen essentially, right. It almost looks like 565 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,119 a globe when you look at it, like the earth. Yeah. So, 566 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,440 as you can imagine, right, so this object is coming into frame, 567 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,679 it's kind of slowly coming in. Then it stops, and then as 568 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,199 we allow it to kind of move forward in time, and so you can 569 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,920 see the time here ticking across. So then it stops and then it starts 570 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,599 to shoot off. Okay, I talk about that small right in the center 571 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,920 right here, yep, with a tail behind it yep. So then it's 572 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,559 it kind of trails off there. So now what you can imagine is, 573 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:44,280 for example, if we do say a simple image analysis, So for example 574 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,239 we say that, okay, everything back here is just dark, it's black, 575 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,239 it's background noise. Right, So as this object comes into view. 576 00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:55,760 We track its motion over time by tracking the pixels as they change. Right. 577 00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,599 The data that we then have that's kind of pulling in or the ability 578 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,960 that we're going to try to do or try to build into this is going 579 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,159 to be once that image actually shows, getting things like say a velocity, 580 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:15,079 a potential acceleration, right, and things like that from this object. Because 581 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:16,880 you could imagine, for example, right, if you look at say my 582 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,039 mouse, my mouse point are here. If this is an airline or something 583 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,320 simple like that, you would imagine that as it moves across the screen, 584 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,159 it's gonna go basically in a flatline path. Right, Because airplanes, as 585 00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:30,639 they move, they don't judge it's in around, They don't kind of jump 586 00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:37,400 in everything else. Right, they have simple motion. Right, But you 587 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,000 can imagine that if it's a UAP or something of interest, it might move 588 00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:45,679 around much more erratically, or it might jump around the screen, and as 589 00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:47,519 it makes those movements, it's going to be doing so much more quickly. 590 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:52,320 We would hypothesize then, say an airplane or a drone could or a bug 591 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,679 or a bird or whatever. So ultimately the goal of the science team is 592 00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,039 to come up with and think about how can we turn the answered data that 593 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:07,960 skyhub is pulling in into interesting, actionable testing parameters that then we can use 594 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,400 to test hypotheses. Right. So, for example, one of the first 595 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:19,039 things that actually we're actually doing here is as the system pulls in an object, 596 00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,360 as it says that, oh, there's something on screen here that's of 597 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,920 interest, it is then going to check, basically with a registry of all 598 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:31,880 of the airplanes that are flying over the vicinity and exactly yep. So it 599 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,800 can then tell is this an airplane or for example, we can say is 600 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,199 this a medior, is this a known atmospheric phenomena, things of that nature. 601 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,840 Right. Ultimately, the system is going to be using some machine learning 602 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,079 techniques to do things like say, okay, we have a thousand videos of 603 00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,719 airplanes, we have a thousand videos of birds, we have a thousand videos 604 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:58,679 of say, insects, we have a thousand videos of drones. Teach the 605 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,400 system then, based on some of those parameters, we pick this is what 606 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,679 a bird looks like, this is what an airplane looks like, this is 607 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,440 what a drone looks like. Normally, and then eventually the system will be 608 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,639 able to pick out of the you know, thousands of events maybe attracts over 609 00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:16,519 the course of a month. It can say, okay, well, these 610 00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:21,079 ones are probably birds, these are probably airplanes, these are probably whatever. 611 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,800 These events though, this event maybe if you collect one, this event is 612 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,519 interesting. This is one that we need to do further analysis on. Right, 613 00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:35,639 So kind of taking the human element out of this process and allowing you 614 00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:38,840 know, systems to do this kind of work for us, that's that's one 615 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,280 of the goals here on our team, of the science team, at least 616 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,480 to be able to have happen. Yeah. Yeah, I'd like that. 617 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,639 The fact that it's kind of a learning situation, you know, like like 618 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,960 training AI basically absolutely, yeah, that's the kind of goal, right, 619 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,239 And I mean we know we can do this too. We know that we 620 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,239 can use this too for exam ample with other technologies, right or with other 621 00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:07,559 methods. So for example, there's actually been a lot of research work on 622 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,239 image analysis like this for say cancer cells, right, So being able to 623 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:16,360 track whether or not a cancer cell has become metastatic. That actually essentially what 624 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:23,000 can happen is in a normal cancer cell that is not metastasized yet, the 625 00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:27,840 cell as it bounds as it hits another cancer cell, it'll just bounce back 626 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,559 right, so it'll it'll hit another cell and it'll just move backwards. But 627 00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:36,960 in a metastatic cancer cell, what'll happen is the cells will actually hit and 628 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,960 then the metastatic cell will move over and then continue its path forward. So 629 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,480 if you look at us, if you look at a population of cells and 630 00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:49,039 you treat each of them like a point source, so just a single object 631 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,920 on your screen, what you'll notice is in normal cancer cells that have not 632 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:59,400 metastasized yet, they kind of sit in like a circular pattern if you measure 633 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:06,039 their movement over time, right, But metastatic cancer sales will actually continue in 634 00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,119 a straight line path. So a lot of research work actually has been going 635 00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:15,480 on to do image analysis for cancer sales, for example, and other image 636 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:21,599 analysis techniques work work in the past as well. So we're really we're really 637 00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:24,079 trying hard to learn from the past, learn from efforts that have been done 638 00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:28,559 to do this before, and also work with other groups that have done this 639 00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:30,079 kind of work, you know what I mean. So we are reaching out 640 00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,679 to the people that did the Baker Nun systems back in the day. We're 641 00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:37,400 reaching out to you SETI and researchers and other organizations they're doing this kind of 642 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,880 work. Set Let me just ask you this, because you know, I 643 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,360 know just one person that study I've actually communicate with, Jill Charter, but 644 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:51,679 Seth Shaw, Seth Shostak, even though he and I kind of bumped heads 645 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,760 when he was on this show, we still communicate with each other. Who'd 646 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,519 you reach out to there? So we reached out to Seth was also a 647 00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:05,239 friend of also a friend of the Medicidist podcast and was interested in what we 648 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,440 were doing. Um Steady actually has had seti IF back in the back in 649 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,760 the late two thousand or early two thousands, I guess had a project called 650 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,320 SETI at Home, which wasn't officially through Steady, it was through like the 651 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:21,239 University of Ohio. I want to say, but um efforts, That's what 652 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,360 I'm saying. There is a lot of research work that has happened over time 653 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:30,199 to build these kinds of systems before, right, and we are just trying 654 00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,760 to learn as much as we can from those other efforts that have happened before. 655 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:36,519 So we're reaching out to and we've talked to you folks at SETI. 656 00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:39,400 Set and a couple of other researchers there already. We've talked to people at 657 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:45,159 say, we've talked to some physicists who would do things like say, you 658 00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:50,000 know, radio astronomy and things like that of that nature to do these kinds 659 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,159 of work. You know, we're really trying hard to learn as much as 660 00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:58,199 we possibly can. And yes, cl you are completely right. The heart 661 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,400 of it is the crowdsourcing component, right because that's the other part of this 662 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:08,559 too. And I have a huge, huge question up here. It kind 663 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:13,840 of involves that it's going to block you right out. This is from over 664 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:20,400 on Facebook from Abigail and basically, have you thought of involving or recruiting groups 665 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,519 through social media that do regularly SkyWatch, et cetera and working directly with them, 666 00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:30,559 not just but for an example the UK, you know, I know 667 00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:35,199 there's a lot there's not taken seriously in the group, would be able to 668 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,760 fund the equipment there, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Have you thought about 669 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:44,559 using social media or do you already do that? So we use social media. 670 00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:45,480 We have a Twitter account, we have a Facebook page, we do 671 00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:50,280 have the rocket chat um right now, a lot of our efforts have been 672 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,039 focused on getting the first version of the software out right, once at first 673 00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:00,079 softwarevent, once the first system. So once this system officially launches UM, 674 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,440 then it's kind of gangbusters, right then. We're happy to talk to anybody 675 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,719 about any collaboration, collaborative effort that can happen. If there are groups that 676 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:14,920 would be interested in purchasing or rather getting the components and building them themselves and 677 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,000 having us help, please please do reach out to us. We would love 678 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,920 to work with you for sure. I mean, you know again, anyone 679 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,079 who wants to build one of these with our help, we are more than 680 00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:30,039 happy to have work alongside us. Awesome. Well, you know, speaking 681 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,800 of that, someone has a good question up here. Chris has been on 682 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,280 the show Christopher O'Brien that is a number of times over the years, even 683 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:42,559 visited me here up in Maine. How similar is this setup to the project? 684 00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:46,280 Are you familiar with what Christopher O'Brien is doing? And also there's others. 685 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:52,440 There's there's the you photogue. I don't think it's called something else now, 686 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:58,960 but I think I can actually tell Leslie. The difference myself, I 687 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:06,199 believe is this is more of a like a crowdsource thing than and Christopher's O'Brien 688 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,159 as these little, you know, camera setups in different places. But it's 689 00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:15,360 not about people getting involved as far as I know. Maybe I'm wrong about 690 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,639 that. I actually owe him a call, so I'll find out more about 691 00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,320 that. But as far as I know, he's just having these things set 692 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,760 up in certain places, and I don't think it's open to it's open source 693 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,519 like this, I'm not I'm not positive though. The major difference between our 694 00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:34,719 effort and efforts that have been done in the past, although we respect them 695 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,360 and would love to work with them, of course, the main difference is 696 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:43,280 that our effort is completely crowdsourced. It's completely open, so no one on 697 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,719 the Skyhub team is getting paid to do this work. We don't make any 698 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,960 money if you buy a unit, right because the units aren't ours. You're 699 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,159 buying the software, you're buying the the information, or rather, let me 700 00:51:54,199 --> 00:52:00,039 restate that you're buying the hardware from hardware manufacturers, not from us, and 701 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,880 the software is being given away for free. So um, you know it 702 00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,039 is we want this to be as open and transparent as possible. We don't, 703 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:14,039 you know, because we all hate them. We hate the problem of 704 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:19,079 you know, I always joke that, you know, for a subject that 705 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,280 hates that says it hates secrets and hates the government hiding information about this subject 706 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:29,679 from us, the UFO subject loves secret keepers, right. They love people 707 00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:31,039 who are like I can't tell you that's an inside source of mind. You 708 00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:35,920 know, they love that stuff, right, And it's it's so frustrating because 709 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,960 it's like, no, if if if you want the information to get out 710 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,599 there, then it shad to get out there, right. If you want 711 00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:46,760 disclosure to happen, then start disclosing things. Right. So the goal of 712 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:52,079 this is if you collect a video, um, you'll have it sammed on 713 00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:55,400 your own hard drive as it uploads to the cloud. Right. Um. 714 00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:00,119 The idea here is going to be again, the software is really available. 715 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,000 The units are easy to purchase. It's cheap stuff that you put together yourself. 716 00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:07,840 You can build off of it if you'd like to. You can make 717 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,320 a more complicated sensor system. You can make a more complicated camera system, 718 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,800 you can do all these other things. The goal here is though, that 719 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,920 as the data comes in that we will work together. Basically, Yeah, 720 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,400 that's great. Let's say, look, we got just two minutes until we 721 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:30,199 go into our break. So let me just pull up there was I saw 722 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:36,639 another question in there. This question seems to come up. I've seen Rodrigo 723 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,199 ask this question before. Do you want the UFO mystery solved? Or do 724 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,639 you enjoy the search? That is a question. I guess we really have 725 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:50,280 to ask ourselves deep inside. I don't know if it could ever be solved, 726 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,000 even if it was solved. Good, Yeah, No, it's a 727 00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:57,760 it's a it's a great question. Right. Let me let me the You 728 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,000 know, we talk about this in our podcast all the time. If if 729 00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:05,840 the President went out onto the lawn of the White House holding the hand of 730 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,440 an alien and was like, look, they're real, We've been working with 731 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,840 them for decades, right, They've been here this whole time, there would 732 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:16,800 be a good percentage of the UFO subject fan base that would say I don't 733 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:22,840 believe it right because it doesn't fit with their own kind of preconceived notion about 734 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:29,440 what disclosure or what the UFO presence has to conform to. Right. So 735 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:36,119 I would say, I would like to know. I would like to know 736 00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:42,639 if people are having legitimate experiences, and I would like to be able to 737 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,960 verify that using data from our systems, right. And I don't mean to 738 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,000 say like I want to know if people are having legitimate experiences. I don't 739 00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:55,039 mean that to sound like I don't believe people who are having experiences. But 740 00:54:55,599 --> 00:55:00,800 what I mean by that is it's not enough to believe that a person had 741 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:07,159 an experience for science, for the scientific community, right, Um, what's 742 00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:13,760 important is getting enough data, getting enough information that you can actually prove it 743 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,960 to the skeptics, to the scient to try to do whatever. I agree. 744 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,840 Yeah, yeah, so that's the that's the important part. So I 745 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,920 do want an answer. I don't know if we can ever have an answer, 746 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,400 though, that's true. I agree with you one hundred percent on that. 747 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,079 All right, we're heading into break. Hang on everyone, Uh, 748 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,360 let's see. I just want to say I'm gonna I'm gonna go into break 749 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,119 for KGr Radio right now. We'll be right back right after these messages. 750 00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:50,480 All right, So for everyone in YouTube, I watched some raw footage of 751 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:57,480 right after the nineteen fifty two UFO flap over Washington, DC. And I've 752 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,880 always liked this clip, so I'm going to run it here during the break, 753 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:09,840 And here we go. I am here to discuss the so called flying 754 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:16,079 saucers. The Air Force interest in this problem has been due to our feeling 755 00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:22,239 of an obligation to identify and analyze, to the best of our ability, 756 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:28,800 anything in the air that may have the possibility of threat or menace to the 757 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:35,559 United States. In pursuit of this obligation, since nineteen forty seven, we 758 00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:40,239 have received and analyzed between one and two thousand reports that have come to us 759 00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:45,599 from all kinds of sources. Of this great massive reports, we have been 760 00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:52,320 able adequately to explain the great bulk of them, explain them to our own 761 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:59,920 satisfaction. We've been able to explain them as a hoaxes, as erroneously identify 762 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:08,039 and friendly aircraft, as meteorological or electronic phenomena, or as light aberrations. 763 00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:14,639 However, there have been a certain percentage of this volume of reports that have 764 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:22,599 been made by credible observers of relatively incredible things. It is this group of 765 00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:29,679 observations that we now are attempting to resolve. Our basic difficulty in dealing with 766 00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:36,360 these is that there is no measurement of them that makes it possible for us 767 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:44,159 to put them in any pattern that would be profitable for a deliberate custom sort 768 00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:49,320 of analysis to take the next step. We have as a date come to 769 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:55,000 only one firm conclusion with respect to this remaining percentage, and that is that 770 00:57:55,599 --> 00:58:02,320 it does not contain any pattern of purpose, all of consistency that we can 771 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:08,119 relate with any to any conceivable threat to the United States. We can say 772 00:58:08,119 --> 00:58:15,639 that the recent sightings are in no way connected with any secret development by any 773 00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:30,239 agency of the United States. Well, I'm going to bring us back in. 774 00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:37,159 So I always thought that i'd like to kind of get your opinion of 775 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,920 what. You know, he just said, I don't know if you were 776 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:45,400 actually paying attention, you went off to break or whatever. But he's saying, 777 00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:50,079 you know, basically, you know this, these sightings happened, and 778 00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:53,159 he's not like discounting them. You know, he's saying, a lot of 779 00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:58,639 them can be explained. But it's a pretty pretty interesting take. Um. 780 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,519 You know that that they were you know, they had to kind of explain 781 00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:06,519 what was going on, so many reports coming in, um, and it 782 00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:12,679 was all over the papers and a world actually worldwide press and actually a misleading 783 00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:17,960 picture of light reflections in the sky over the Capitol which kind of makes everyone 784 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,639 think that's the UFOs. But that's not that's not that was light reflection. 785 00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:28,400 So you're so your so what was your question there? Your question was do 786 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,719 I yeah, so how do you think the Air Force was handling that situation? 787 00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:38,000 How do I think that they have in that particular right there right there 788 00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:42,559 and that that club gentlemen, you may want to answer that, ask them 789 00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:49,480 that one back, So stand by that one that was planned. Well, 790 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:58,199 okay, all right, stand by sure and three two one go, all 791 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,719 right, welcome back my guest again as Chris Cogswell. And we were just 792 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:10,840 having a laugh because during the break we watched General Major General Stamford nineteen fifty 793 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:16,400 two talking about, you know, the UFO flap trying to calm everyone down. 794 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,360 Isn't that kind of what that's kind of what you can take out of 795 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,320 it. You know, it's not a threat, it's not us. And 796 01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:27,480 you know, most of these things can be explained, but some of them 797 01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:32,079 can't. Some are incredible and some cannot be explained. It was it's a 798 01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:35,960 very memorable and that's why I wanted to play it. It's it's such a 799 01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:44,199 great clip. Hmm. It's it's it's funny how when watching those old kind 800 01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:49,280 of when watching those old videos or even reading some of the old analysis that 801 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:54,119 happened. It's funny how little has changed, right in the seventy years, 802 01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:58,480 and this subject has really been kind of at the top of mind for the 803 01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:01,920 American for the American public, I guess, and top of mind. Maybe 804 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,679 it's the wrong the wrong word because or the wrong saying because it's never it's 805 01:01:06,679 --> 01:01:09,480 not always been top of mind. But you know, it's interesting that even 806 01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:14,800 given the big increases in the percentage of people who believe in this or who 807 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:20,840 think that something is really happening, but ultimately the government's response is kind of 808 01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,679 continue to be the same, right of well, we don't know, we 809 01:01:24,679 --> 01:01:28,400 we can't tell everything, but you know, some of these might be unexplained 810 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,840 still, but it's doesn't mean that it's something interesting or whatever. I mean, 811 01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:36,360 it feels like there's only so much time, that there's only so much 812 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,199 time that you can keep saying we don't know before you say, well, 813 01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:44,079 why aren't you looking right like you don't know? Okay, shouldn't you be 814 01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:45,960 trying to find out? Then? Like people keep asking you, it's you 815 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,119 know, you're you're the government, right, You're the you're the military. 816 01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:52,760 You're the air force here. Whoever, at some point you will need to 817 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:58,760 know what's up there when that day comes, you know. I think that's 818 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,599 ultimately been That's been one of the big conundrums I guess with like the modern 819 01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:06,840 days, say disclosure movement or even disclosure movements in the past, has been 820 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:15,559 there's this break between you know, there's a break between the public who want 821 01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:19,519 to think that the government has the answers and so this must be some big 822 01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:22,679 conspiracy to keep it secret. But then there's also a person of the public 823 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,519 you kind of think, you know, the military or the government might be 824 01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:29,719 just as you know, flabbergasted by all this as we are, I think. 825 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:30,719 So I say that on the show all the time. Yeah, and 826 01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:34,159 that's and that I think. The kind of camp that I fall into as 827 01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:38,440 well is you know it, it seems um, I don't know it. 828 01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:43,800 Just again, it seems to be the most it seems to be the most 829 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,760 likely scenario, the most sensible scenario, I guess, I would say, 830 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,360 right, is that the government doesn't know they want to find out. I 831 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,719 mean, why else would they have programs like a tip right unless they wanted 832 01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:55,960 to find out? So and and also you know, it comes up a 833 01:02:57,039 --> 01:03:01,119 number of times. Um. You know that there's really good film out there 834 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:06,079 there. You know that there's been some you know, really incredible things kind 835 01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:10,400 of swept away somewhere who knows where, maybe in a private program where it 836 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:15,239 can't get congressional oversight or something like that. But speaking of that, UM, 837 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:20,440 you know we have UM, there's some uh, there's going to be 838 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,599 a bit of oversight, you know coming in. There's going to be UM 839 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:30,159 Marco Rubio is heading this. I think it's him heading it. M the 840 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:37,760 looking into the UFO UAP subject, but not you know, they're they're trying 841 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,639 to base it more of you know, what's a threat or international threat. 842 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,960 They're not really you know, going I mean it is mentioned now and then, 843 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,760 but it's not really saying, you know, what might be off planet 844 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,679 that might be or unknown to us, might be hitting us. The I 845 01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:58,440 think the answer to this in many ways has always been to treat this as 846 01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:01,039 you know, it's one of the It's one of the kind of funny things 847 01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:06,840 about science, I guess, and modern science especially is how tied up it 848 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:15,039 is with industry or with you know, money, right with funding, So 849 01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:18,960 you know, the we like to think that science just kind of gets funded 850 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:24,280 because the government is good enough to give its money away to people who study 851 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,119 all kinds of wacky things. But that's not really in the case. Right. 852 01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:30,000 A lot of government research is funded, or a lot of research and 853 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,000 the sciences gets funded because it has some applicability to a problem that we're looking 854 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:39,480 at. Right, And so in my mind, the ultimate goal of say 855 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:44,639 a you know, the UAP Task Force or the government's new work looking into 856 01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:49,039 these things or whatever, the ultimate goal of that, you know, would 857 01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:53,559 never or probably would never be about, you know, we're looking for alien 858 01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:57,960 intelligences, right, because that's not the way that funding happens. They are 859 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,079 trying to solve a very specific problem the right, and that problem is we 860 01:05:01,159 --> 01:05:05,519 have incursions over our airspace that we don't have an answer for it. Currently. 861 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,920 We don't know what they are, we have no way of tracking them, 862 01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:12,880 We have no way of knowing um, you know, we don't know 863 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,280 how many there are that are occurring because we have no way of tracking them. 864 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:20,760 So what do we do? Right? That is a more interesting problem, 865 01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:25,280 I think for the government, and it's also frankly easier to sell when 866 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,039 you're trying to get government funding. That again, government funding is it's not 867 01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:31,760 an unlimited resource, right, there's parts of the pie. You're Any money 868 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:36,360 you get isn't going to say, you know whatever, Right, get us 869 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,960 to Mars, get us to you know, these other things that we want 870 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:44,000 to try to do well. Um, you know, I've heard it said 871 01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:50,159 that the reason that science hasn't taken the UFO you know topic seriously is because 872 01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:55,840 of a number of things. It's something that it can't have an end date. 873 01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:59,920 There's no end date to it. Um, so there's nothing solved. 874 01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:04,760 And you know along those lines, you know, what do you think about 875 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:10,800 that that aspect of it? So I think the problem is a little bit 876 01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:15,320 more nuanced than that, although I agree with that general sentiment. I think 877 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:23,000 the problem is that when we talk about solving one of the things that at 878 01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:29,199 sky Hub, the reason why we started with something relatively simple, right, 879 01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:31,719 which is just capturing these things as point sources, you know what I mean. 880 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:39,800 Ultimately, what we're doing is we are comparing if you had to think 881 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,079 about what Skyhub is doing in terms of its kind of hypothesis, its ultimate 882 01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:46,840 goal for the testing that we're doing right now, the main hypothesis is that 883 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:55,800 there are you can categorize objects in the sky based on their mean square displacement, 884 01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:59,800 are based on their vector of transport. Right. So, in other 885 01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,400 words, if you look at an object in the sky and you just measure 886 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:10,880 how it moves over time, certain objects are going to be moving in one 887 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,760 way. Other objects will move in other ways, and then similar objects, 888 01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:19,679 similar objects will will have similar flight paths or similar patterns. Right, that's 889 01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:25,239 the ultimate hypothesis that we're testing. That has nothing to do with UFOs, 890 01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:27,840 It has nothing to do with UAP, it has nothing to do with any 891 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,880 of these other things. It's very simple, right, It is something solvable 892 01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,159 that to me, has been the ultimate problem with the UFO study has been 893 01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:40,480 that when we talk about these things, we want to talk about this like 894 01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:45,480 it is this that's all encompassing, all or nothing answer. Right, We're 895 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,440 gonna get the answer, and then that's how we're going to know about UFOs 896 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,079 and aliens and UAP and whatever. And it's going to be the you know, 897 01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:56,559 we're filing going to get the document that proves it all. But that's 898 01:07:56,599 --> 01:08:00,960 not the way science, that's not the way information gathering happens. Right. 899 01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:05,679 We gather small bits of information over time slowly, so that finally we can 900 01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:10,559 say, aha, we've discovered something. You know what I mean, if 901 01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:15,400 I had to give it an analogy. The UFO subject people, people that 902 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,920 are involved in this, they want to find the answer, like they are 903 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,680 digging through, you know, like a like a needle in the haystack. 904 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,039 Right, they stick their hand into the bucket of sand, they pull it 905 01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:30,720 out and they have this beautiful, shiny, you know, ruby of truth. 906 01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:35,520 Right. But the way that truth actually happens is you chisel away at 907 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:41,239 it, right, You break stuff off, you break falsities away, and 908 01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:45,800 so it takes decades before you finally come to like a very tiny little slither 909 01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,840 of truth. Right. And that isn't compelling television. That isn't compelling storytelling. 910 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:55,640 It's it's boring, right. A lot of that work is boring. 911 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,079 And that's I think the problem is that no one wants to do the boring 912 01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:02,199 work. And I am here to say that Skyhub is willing to do the 913 01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:10,359 board. So let me just ask you this. So let's just say that 914 01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:16,119 you have one of these sky Hub cameras, you know, in the network, 915 01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:21,720 catches something going say twenty five thousand miles an hour and then it makes 916 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:27,119 a right hand hand a right angle turn, which uf always have. I 917 01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:30,960 mean, that's not an uncommon thing when it comes to what people have described, 918 01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:34,159 and not necessarily twenty five thousand miles an hour. But you know very 919 01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:41,840 fast where let's say that happened, and you have it, you have it 920 01:09:42,079 --> 01:09:45,960 right there in front of you. Where do you go from there? Is 921 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:51,600 it? You just make it available like we have this and are you hoping 922 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:57,800 to like catch the eye an ear of someone that will take this more seriously 923 01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,279 in the science world. Yeah, ultimate goal. So that's the thing, 924 01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:04,920 right in the science world. A single video is never going to be it's 925 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:09,479 never going to be the thing, right. What we need to do is 926 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:15,199 gather data that is statistically relevant. Right. So for example, if we 927 01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:20,199 capture, let's say, out of one hundred thousand videos that this thing captures, 928 01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:28,199 right, that a thousand of them show behavior like you're describing that they 929 01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,279 come to sudden stops and then they make quick right turns, and they appear 930 01:10:31,319 --> 01:10:35,760 to be accelerating and stopping in ways that we don't expect and that they don't 931 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:41,680 have. You know, if we're able to show something like that, that 932 01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,920 based on the vector analysis, this is truly happening in these cases. It 933 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,720 seems to be maybe one percent of cases or point one percent of cases. 934 01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,479 And here's the data to prove it. Here are the video feeds. Here's 935 01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,439 the vector analysis we did. Here's the sensor data that we collected. Here 936 01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,000 the GPS coordinates of the trackers. To show that these haven't been messed with 937 01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:08,159 or anything else that is compelling. That's the goal here, right, So 938 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,159 if we capture a single video that's interesting, we'll make it available on YouTube, 939 01:11:12,359 --> 01:11:14,279 you know what I mean. People will be able to see it. 940 01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:17,279 It'll get out there, I'm sure. But at the end of the day, 941 01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:24,920 what our what our results will be, or what our kind of product 942 01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:30,199 that sky Hub hopes to do, will be data that can convince the scientific 943 01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:32,439 world. And so we have data scientists on the team who are helping us 944 01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,039 develop like this is the way that we would have to do this, This 945 01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:39,720 is how we would have tom what's the word. This is the way that 946 01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,439 we would have to kind of move this forward. Actually, there's a really 947 01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:47,199 good question in the chat that isn't in uppercase. I will let me just 948 01:11:47,239 --> 01:11:51,560 tell me where who's saying it not cl cl at seven twelve has got a 949 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:58,560 really good question. There is it? This one right here just below that 950 01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:03,199 one? Oh sorry, oh yeah, a j I agree, that is 951 01:12:03,239 --> 01:12:06,960 how that is how scientist collect data. So let's read it. Yeah, 952 01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:13,279 Chris up once. So see how Once is saying, Chris, how does 953 01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:16,680 that example change if you capture the same event from five trackers at all different 954 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:25,039 angles distances. So that is a wonderful question. So, um, if 955 01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:27,840 we have more than one tracker that captures it, if we have three, 956 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,680 three trackers let's say at a minimum, that capture the same event, then 957 01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:36,560 we can do triangulation. Then we can start looking at more specific things. 958 01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,680 Right. So, right now we've kind of like brushed it aside. We've 959 01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:45,000 kind of walked over this this point. But when I'm talking about image analysis, 960 01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:48,199 what I'm talking about is we treat that. So you know, we 961 01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:51,920 all saw now the circle of the object. Right, So if you're listening 962 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:58,199 at home, think about a think about what a video of a sky would 963 01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:01,640 look like. Right, we have no way of telling how close or far 964 01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:06,119 away the object is. Right, we will not be able to tell based 965 01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:10,319 on the fish eye camera, just because that's the way that fish eye cameras 966 01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:14,880 are designed. Now we might eventually be through testing, be able to get 967 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,840 a calibration curve that would tell us something that's this bright, is this far 968 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,960 away, or whatever. But all of that is based on assumptions, right, 969 01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:25,439 when we're trying to do this in a way that is has the least 970 01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:30,479 amount of assumptions implicit in it. So you have this kind of two D 971 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,880 image of a three D object moving through the sky. We treat it as 972 01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:38,640 a two D object, so it's just a point of light on a black 973 01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:44,119 two D space, and then we measure how that light pixel, that pixel 974 01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:47,920 of lighter that object moves from point to point over time in the video. 975 01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:54,680 That is a very simple analysis that is done on a single camera. If 976 01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,600 we had multiple angles, though, of the same object, then suddenly we 977 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,039 can do things like three D me happing right, so we can tell, 978 01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:05,600 for example, oh, the object not only was moving left and right, 979 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:10,920 but it also dipped down right. Or we can get an approximate idea of 980 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,600 say the size of the object, the diameter of the point source or whatever. 981 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,239 Right. So as we get more trackers out there, and as the 982 01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:21,239 data gets more, as the data gets better and better, we can start 983 01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:27,039 doing much more complicated analysis. Right, that's the kind of goal there would 984 01:14:27,039 --> 01:14:30,880 be if we have you know, right now, again, we're trying to 985 01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:32,720 do this lean. We're trying to do this as agile as we possibly can. 986 01:14:33,119 --> 01:14:36,880 So it's single cameras kind of out there in these you know, interesting 987 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:43,359 places whatever, Right, But the ultimate goal will be too if we can 988 01:14:43,399 --> 01:14:47,159 have say, an array of sensors on a single location, that's going to 989 01:14:47,239 --> 01:14:50,039 give us much better data. It's going to give us a much more compelling 990 01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:54,800 story. So let me just ask you, So, let me just ask 991 01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:59,520 you this. So, for approximately say nine dollars, if someone wanted to, 992 01:15:00,359 --> 01:15:04,119 if someone wanted to really help, they could set up a triangulation on 993 01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:10,800 their property basically at different you know, say, you know, one hundred 994 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,520 yards this way, one hundred yards that way, one hundred yards that way, 995 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,159 type of thing they could. So the problem, or I guess one 996 01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:19,239 of the challenges is and we haven't it's it's this is like an idea that 997 01:15:19,239 --> 01:15:21,720 we have kicking around in our heads that we're like, this would be amazing, 998 01:15:23,119 --> 01:15:25,960 right, we haven't thought it all the way through yet though, because 999 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,520 so far, what we're trying to do let's get one hundred trackers out there, 1000 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:30,680 you know what I mean, Like, let's get a hundred of these 1001 01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:36,439 things deployed before we start thinking about triangulation. Yeah, but we would have 1002 01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:41,359 to think about things like, let's say, how far away does each tracker 1003 01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:45,279 have to be from each other to give useful data? It might be that 1004 01:15:45,319 --> 01:15:46,560 they have to be miles apart, do you know what I mean? I 1005 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,640 see, compending on how high the object is. Yeah, because you can 1006 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:54,840 think like if the object is up in them, if it's flying, and 1007 01:15:54,920 --> 01:16:00,319 say the same airspace is like an airplane, then having them a thousand yards 1008 01:16:00,319 --> 01:16:03,039 apart probably isn't going to tell us very much. But if we're able to 1009 01:16:03,079 --> 01:16:06,359 have him then say miles apart, that might be more interesting, right you 1010 01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:11,600 see? And that's why actually and that and that's in that UM. In 1011 01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:15,960 that scenario, what actually might be better is you build one UM and you 1012 01:16:16,039 --> 01:16:18,319 help someone else build one. You know what I mean, We ask you 1013 01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:20,760 when it comes to them, let me ask you when it comes to the 1014 01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:25,199 building. I mean, when I was a little kid, I had one 1015 01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:28,640 of those kids and built at Crystal Radio. So I kind of like, 1016 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,520 you know, that type of tankering things like that. But how difficult is 1017 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,159 this from saying, like the average person if he wants to put one of 1018 01:16:35,159 --> 01:16:39,680 these units together, some type of background would you have to have? It 1019 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:44,039 is actually really simple. So I have never built I've never built a PC 1020 01:16:44,319 --> 01:16:48,159 in my life, you know what I mean? I break computers like that's 1021 01:16:48,279 --> 01:16:51,399 that's just why I do. You know, Um, the fact that I've 1022 01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:56,159 been able to figure out how to do the podcast with just like three chords, 1023 01:16:56,199 --> 01:16:58,960 it's a mystery, you know, It's it's amazing, right, So 1024 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,439 the back and I was able to build this thing, I'm not even kidding. 1025 01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,119 Like the fact that I was able to build this thing is a modern 1026 01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:11,199 miracle. It's really simple, right, It's literally all of this is plug 1027 01:17:11,239 --> 01:17:15,439 in play, right. So what I mean by that is you are you're 1028 01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,119 basically getting a jets and nano. You're taking it out of the box. 1029 01:17:18,399 --> 01:17:24,680 You're plugging in a power chord, and you are plugging it in through it 1030 01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,960 already created USB port on it to a computer screen and a keyboard and a 1031 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,199 mouse. Your nano is ready to run already, right, it runs out 1032 01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:35,399 of the box. What you need to do to modify it to become a 1033 01:17:35,399 --> 01:17:41,279 sky hub Basically a skyhub system is you take a GPS unit, you plug 1034 01:17:41,279 --> 01:17:45,840 it into another USB port, You take the fan and you just the fan 1035 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,600 is probably the most complicated part, the fan. You kind of plug the 1036 01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,640 pins in, but it's very easy to do. Still. It's a great 1037 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,520 how to online and you just screw it into the heat sync on the thing 1038 01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,920 itself, which again is very simple, and you're systems running. Right. 1039 01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:05,640 This is literally like you're plugging in USB dongles. It's very simple to do. 1040 01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,520 So it's actually it's funny. You might be disappointed with how simple it 1041 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,840 is based on the radio example. Right. Look, it's that's what I 1042 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,079 thought was gonna happen too. I got all excited. I was like, 1043 01:18:15,079 --> 01:18:18,000 oh, this is gonna be great. I'm gonna solder some stuff and I'm 1044 01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,359 gonna get to like I'm gonna get to be all electronics guy and whatever. 1045 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,760 I needed a Phillips head screwdriver, you know what I mean. Like, 1046 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,199 I was so upset and how easy it was. I was like, come 1047 01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:32,239 on, it is a challenge, no challenge. The most challenging part has 1048 01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:38,000 been, to be honest, the most challenging part has been because right now, 1049 01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,520 these are still in development right, So right now, what we're doing 1050 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,239 to like run the system and everything else is we are using UM. We're 1051 01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:49,760 basically using Linux to UM you know, control them, right because it is 1052 01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:56,119 a Linux system there. So what we're actually to actually like get it's downloaded 1053 01:18:56,119 --> 01:18:59,680 everything else. It's not an installer right now, it's just through the kind 1054 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,439 of the terminal window. Essentially. That part is a little challenging, but 1055 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:08,640 we are actually currently developing an easier installer for folks. So you know, 1056 01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:13,000 um, you have a question that just came up here, so pop that 1057 01:19:13,119 --> 01:19:18,239 up from Hobbs. Other than watching the recordings twenty four seven. Is there 1058 01:19:18,279 --> 01:19:23,479 a mechanism in the system to alert your that an object has been captured? 1059 01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,039 Absolutely? Yeah, So that's the goal, right. The goal here with 1060 01:19:27,079 --> 01:19:30,399 this system is that you can just leave this thing running and if you so, 1061 01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,880 Basically what happens is once you've installed the software and everything else, you 1062 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:38,239 would go to the sky Hub. You basically would go to your system. 1063 01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:45,000 So your your nano has an IP address, right, you would just go 1064 01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:46,760 to that IP address in your in your search bar, just like you do 1065 01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,439 for your router or anything else, and it will bring up the sky Hub 1066 01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:56,159 camera UI, and it'll tell you, oh, these are captured events we 1067 01:19:56,239 --> 01:20:00,960 have, right, so it'll store them automatically for so you don't have to 1068 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,880 do anything if I had to give that, if I had to make this 1069 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:06,800 kind of analogous to anything else. It's very similar to say a dash cam 1070 01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:11,840 in a car, right where you can leave it running and if it captures 1071 01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,319 something, it'll tell you samething. Well yeah, trail cam right, it's 1072 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,880 it's it's it's designed so that you don't have to watch it twenty four hours 1073 01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:23,680 a day because despite how much work we've put into Skyhub, we all have 1074 01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,960 day jobs, right, yeah, we all have other things we have to 1075 01:20:27,039 --> 01:20:30,920 do. So yeah, that's a great idea. Yeah, I mean the 1076 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:35,520 motion sensor type of situation. Um, you know, I think that's kind 1077 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:39,800 of what's in those you're talking about, the trail cams or whatever they are 1078 01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:44,680 for like wildlife. Yeah, similar. Looks like someone has a couple of 1079 01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,079 questions here. Again, there's if you could put your questions in caps so 1080 01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:51,039 I don't miss them and on no phones tonight, I'm sorry. So if 1081 01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:55,920 you have a question for our guest, just put it here. Let's see 1082 01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:01,600 two questions wouldn't it be easier to create data if all cameras are the same 1083 01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:10,159 size? And the second question is in the photo unit in the desert has 1084 01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:14,640 a tracker camera that isn't version one? Do you understand that question? Yes? 1085 01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,600 I do so yeah, so um, okay, so the first question, 1086 01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,439 wouldn't it be easier to create data if all the cameras are the same 1087 01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:26,319 size, Yes, it would be easier. But we realize and recognize that 1088 01:21:26,319 --> 01:21:30,600 that is not going to be possible for everybody, right, Um, some 1089 01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:32,640 people can buy better cameras, and so they'll be get they'll get more high 1090 01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:38,520 resolution photos, right, They'll they'll get better tracking, well not better tracking, 1091 01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:44,359 but they'll get better better video of the tracked event. Right. So 1092 01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:45,840 that's why we need to build this system in such a way that all of 1093 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:55,439 that, all that sensored data essentially can be um can be kind of you 1094 01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,560 know, cohabitated together, right, it can make it It has to be 1095 01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,560 made to play nice with each other. Right. Yeah. So another analogous 1096 01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:05,319 example to this would be things like, say, I don't know if anyone 1097 01:22:05,319 --> 01:22:09,600 in the chat or anyone watching this right now is interested in say like at 1098 01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:14,880 home meteorology, but things like tracking the weather from your own home. Those 1099 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,840 don't use the same devices either, right, Those are often different systems, 1100 01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:23,800 different sensors, different whatever. Same thing with say astronomy hobbyists, those are 1101 01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:28,439 often completely different systems and everything else. The goal essentially is too so that 1102 01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,800 as that censor data comes in to habituate it to each other so that it 1103 01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:35,159 all plays nice. Right. So that's why our system has a minimum spec 1104 01:22:35,159 --> 01:22:39,840 and not a maximum spec, if that makes sense to you. So it's 1105 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:43,000 a great question. And in a perfect world, all of the units would 1106 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,600 have you know, in a perfect world, we would be making these systems 1107 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,600 ourselves, right, But we don't live in a perfect world. There's not 1108 01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:55,399 a lot of money in searching for UFOs on the weekends, and so we 1109 01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,840 can't ensure that all the cameras are the same size. But it's why we 1110 01:22:59,039 --> 01:23:01,720 suggest cameras. It's a suggest systems. YEA. For the second question, 1111 01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,319 the photo of the union the desert has a tracker or a camera that is 1112 01:23:05,319 --> 01:23:10,000 an inversion one. Yep, that's correct right now. So currently the V 1113 01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:15,520 one version uses only the fish eye camera. Development work is underway for the 1114 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,239 PCT camera, which would be that second camera that's there. Ultimately, Again, 1115 01:23:19,279 --> 01:23:23,600 the goal here is if you buy or if you get the stuff to 1116 01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:28,000 build a version one unit, as we develop and as we make version two, 1117 01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,960 as we build the software for the secondary sensor platforms and for the PCT 1118 01:23:32,079 --> 01:23:35,439 camera and everything else, you'll be able to buy that stuff as it happens. 1119 01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:39,520 Right. So the goal here is we want to start, we want 1120 01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,680 to hit the ground running, but we also want to be sure or we 1121 01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,680 also want to be cognizant of the fact that most people, if they spend 1122 01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:51,119 three hundred dollars on this thing, that's that's a big investment for most people. 1123 01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,800 You know what I mean. I don't. I don't spend three hundred 1124 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,479 dollars and stuff for myself all that often. So what do you think of 1125 01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:03,680 this question? Yeah, that it's funny. Uh, that's from CLO. 1126 01:24:04,199 --> 01:24:09,039 UFO seekers aren't rich. Let me say this there, there isn't money to 1127 01:24:09,039 --> 01:24:14,000 be made necessarily in UFO science. Let's say that there's plenty of money for 1128 01:24:14,079 --> 01:24:16,479 like TV shows and stuff, but you know, yeah, we're investigating anything 1129 01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:21,199 that's really funny. UM My brother in law, UM has a PhD in 1130 01:24:21,279 --> 01:24:28,680 chemistry and UM he retired a few years ago from Los Alamos laps. He's 1131 01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,000 actually busier now as a consultant, goes all over the world. Um, 1132 01:24:32,399 --> 01:24:38,279 but anyway, UM, I asked them the question. Um, oh, 1133 01:24:38,319 --> 01:24:41,319 I don't know. It was a few years ago. I said, you 1134 01:24:41,359 --> 01:24:44,600 know, he said, you do a show on UFOs said yeah, he's 1135 01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,319 never watched it or anything. But I said, so funny, let me 1136 01:24:47,319 --> 01:24:49,319 ask you, I said, let me ask you as a scientist, what 1137 01:24:49,399 --> 01:24:54,319 do you think. Um, you know, I'm not saying one hundred percent 1138 01:24:54,399 --> 01:24:58,159 sure because no one really knows, but it's possible that we're being visited. 1139 01:24:58,199 --> 01:25:00,760 What do you think about that? And he kind of looked them because I 1140 01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:08,239 think it's very possible. I was shocked because his usual science is like, 1141 01:25:08,319 --> 01:25:10,760 you know, I need to see data, you know, in all this, 1142 01:25:11,079 --> 01:25:14,520 But I was shocked that he actually said, I think it's possible, 1143 01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:17,000 you know, kind of like, yeah, I think it's possible. How 1144 01:25:17,079 --> 01:25:23,159 do you feel in general? Do you feel like you're like a lone wolf 1145 01:25:23,239 --> 01:25:26,640 or do you think there's other people? I know you mentioned the SCU which 1146 01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:30,159 I think is great, and there's a you know, a lot of PhDs 1147 01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,680 in that that are interested in this topic. But for the most part. 1148 01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:38,520 Do you think it's a tough subject to breach. You know what's actually funny 1149 01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:46,399 is I have yet to meet someone in the sciences whom who makes who tells 1150 01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,159 me like, no, there's no way, that's stupid. Why are you 1151 01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:51,159 wasting your time? I've yet to need one. I've yet to meet one. 1152 01:25:51,239 --> 01:25:55,000 Right, And I talk about this putful all the time. I talk 1153 01:25:55,039 --> 01:26:00,079 about this stuff, right, Um, yeah, you know. The the 1154 01:26:00,119 --> 01:26:05,359 most I guess pushback I've gotten actually has been from people in philosophy and the 1155 01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:10,239 humanity is more so than science part of your education too, right, Yes, 1156 01:26:10,359 --> 01:26:15,159 yeah, so it's philosophy chemical engineering double major in undergrad But so the 1157 01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,399 it's interesting in that way, I think, I think for a lot of 1158 01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:25,119 people, I think the part where it gets to be so it's it's interesting. 1159 01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:31,119 A lot of the scientific community, I would say today is willing to 1160 01:26:31,159 --> 01:26:38,399 think that there is a very real likelihood that there are organisms out there someplace 1161 01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,319 in space. Yeah, some of them, even I think a good portion 1162 01:26:42,359 --> 01:26:45,079 would even go as far to say that there if there are organisms out there, 1163 01:26:45,359 --> 01:26:50,479 there's no reason to think that there are not. There's not the possibility 1164 01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:56,439 of intelligent life existing out there. In space. I think the part or 1165 01:26:56,479 --> 01:27:03,399 the issue for the scientific community comes in with when you start getting into very 1166 01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:12,840 complicated, very mythological sounding arguments or stories about how this system of alien intelligence 1167 01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:17,359 works. Right. So for example, you know shows like like say Ancient 1168 01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:21,960 Aliens, Right, those shows do no service to the UVO community. They 1169 01:27:23,119 --> 01:27:27,880 just hurt it in my opinion, because what ends up happening is you have 1170 01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:33,199 systems like say what we're doing, or what Christopher O'Brien is doing, or 1171 01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:38,680 even the work that say, you know Bigelow did back in back in the 1172 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:44,920 late nineties and two thousands, getting people to agree that well, there's stuff 1173 01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,720 in the sky, we don't know what it is, shouldn't we study it? 1174 01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:51,239 That's not a hard ask for science, right, That's not a hard 1175 01:27:51,279 --> 01:27:57,520 thing to ask them. What is hard, though, is when you then 1176 01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,560 take the next step and say, there are intelligent beings piloting these craft and 1177 01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:08,159 they're from the Pleiades and they can heal you, and you just gotta you 1178 01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:13,760 know that it gets you know. What I always say is we have people 1179 01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:18,279 arguing about, you know, the politics and culture of alien civilizations, and 1180 01:28:18,359 --> 01:28:21,239 we still don't have a good photo of one. You know what I mean, 1181 01:28:21,279 --> 01:28:25,479 like it's put in the cart way before the horse. We gotta start 1182 01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:32,119 small. Yeah, yeah, that's uh, that is ah really something when 1183 01:28:32,199 --> 01:28:36,520 you when you think about well, just now they're looking at you know, 1184 01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:41,800 there's signs. I forget what the particle is, but it's a in the 1185 01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,880 upper atmosphere of Venus, which is yeah, but that's it. Phosphene nine 1186 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,279 hundred degrees fahrenheit on the surface of Venus. But you know, you and 1187 01:28:49,399 --> 01:28:54,319 the atmosphere as you go up, of course it cools down. It's very 1188 01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:59,119 possible there's some type of life floating in the atmosphere the Venusians, like the 1189 01:28:59,199 --> 01:29:01,600 contact these talking about. Yeah, you never know, man, you know, 1190 01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:05,279 it's it's so funny. We're gonna find out that phosphine has beautiful long 1191 01:29:05,359 --> 01:29:14,119 blonde hair and yeah they sweet sweet bodysuits and everything else. And it's gonna 1192 01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:16,920 be it's gonna be trippy, man, chemistry is gonna get weird. That's 1193 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,520 right, that's right. And you know it's still you know, not not 1194 01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:25,399 talking about intelligent life, but it's still not out of the realm of possibility 1195 01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:29,479 that there was life at one time on Mars. You know, I think 1196 01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,039 that's a very good possibility with the water that was on there at one time 1197 01:29:32,039 --> 01:29:35,920 for many millions of years. You know, it's it is so funny to 1198 01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:44,039 me that it we know that we know, you know, one of the 1199 01:29:44,119 --> 01:29:46,800 problems I think with one of the problems I think with science too, or 1200 01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,840 one of the issues that we kind of come to today, is science has 1201 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:59,680 really focused hard on sort of D D magicing itself, I guess, is 1202 01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,079 what I and say. Right, So we have this idea that before the 1203 01:30:02,399 --> 01:30:08,439 before the Enlightenment, right, you know, the world was full of magic, 1204 01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:11,800 and it was full of these magical thinking styles and everything else. But 1205 01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:16,640 as we started to become more scientific and more materialist, the places for those 1206 01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:23,960 kinds of ideas of you know, non local causality or other intelligences existing or 1207 01:30:24,039 --> 01:30:27,479 ghosts or whatever, all of that kind of started to go away. And 1208 01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:31,359 I think we're in an era now and this happens a lot with these kinds 1209 01:30:31,359 --> 01:30:35,920 of things that they pull in as they pull and push that we're in a 1210 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:42,600 time now where a lot of that metaphysical stuff is coming back and so M 1211 01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:47,439 and I don't, you know, I don't really have I guess the issue 1212 01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:53,439 with that is that that that metaphysical stuff can't be proven, it can't be 1213 01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:58,359 scientific, right, And so a lot of philosophers, very smart people throughout 1214 01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:03,359 history have kind of chosen pragmatically to say, well, that isn't scientific, 1215 01:31:03,399 --> 01:31:06,439 so we don't do science with it, we can't use science to study that. 1216 01:31:08,079 --> 01:31:10,560 And that's actually the argument that I would make too, right with sky 1217 01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:15,800 Hub. It's the argument we make as a group that you know, with 1218 01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:21,159 what's the word that with the metaphysical stuff, with consciousness or CE five or 1219 01:31:21,159 --> 01:31:25,560 any of the other stuff that's not scientific. So I don't have an opinion. 1220 01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,199 I can't have an opinion on that, right because I mean, I 1221 01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:30,399 guess I can't have an opinion, but it's not going to be worth anything 1222 01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,479 else anymore than anyone else's, right. Whereas with what we're doing at sky 1223 01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:38,520 Hub, it is designed so that it's scientific. It is designed to be 1224 01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:45,800 based on material kind of conceptions of the universe. So it'll play with science 1225 01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:48,000 today, it'll play with, you know, the way the world of science 1226 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:53,960 exists. So I guess that's kind of a long winded philosophical explanation for why 1227 01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,439 we're two of the way we're doing them. Yeah, Yeah, I think 1228 01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:00,199 it's really great that, you know, I mean, there has been you 1229 01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:04,000 know, a lot of different people trying to think up I mean even Peter 1230 01:32:04,159 --> 01:32:11,920 Davenport of all people, you know, Um, the at the UFO Reporting 1231 01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,359 Center there is has an idea of a radar you know type system. This 1232 01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,279 has been in you know, these type of ideas have been in the works 1233 01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:24,039 for a long time, but rarely does it come to the point where someone's 1234 01:32:24,039 --> 01:32:27,239 actually putting in gear and really going with it. You know. For instance, 1235 01:32:27,239 --> 01:32:30,119 I'm not even really sure if Chris O'Brien have to ask him if his 1236 01:32:30,279 --> 01:32:34,760 units are going anywhere. We mentioned ufotag, which is UFO tag too now 1237 01:32:35,119 --> 01:32:40,000 started out in a hummer, which was really awesome with Doug Trumbull, with 1238 01:32:40,079 --> 01:32:47,239 all um talk about not having an unlimited expense account. He was making something 1239 01:32:47,239 --> 01:32:51,560 really great him and Mark D'Antonio and I have I'm not sure where that's uh, 1240 01:32:53,079 --> 01:32:58,079 where that's going. So yours is yours is ready to launch at some 1241 01:32:58,119 --> 01:33:00,239 point, right, um, do you know exactly what is your goal as 1242 01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:04,079 far as actually launching this thing and getting it operational? So right now, 1243 01:33:04,119 --> 01:33:08,319 if you join the chat, you can build one and you can start loading 1244 01:33:08,319 --> 01:33:11,880 in the code already. Right, we haven't officially launched, which means we 1245 01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,000 don't have a we don't have a code that is not still being updated. 1246 01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,359 Right, But you can come in and play with the beta version all you 1247 01:33:18,359 --> 01:33:21,279 want, right, Like, you can come help us make it better by 1248 01:33:21,319 --> 01:33:26,720 telling us the bugs you're seeing and everything else. Actually, recently a big 1249 01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,600 bug that we just overcame was the GPS units. There was something like going 1250 01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,880 on with those or wherever. We figured out how to fix them. So 1251 01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,239 right now we're still kind of in beta. Right, we're late beta, 1252 01:33:35,279 --> 01:33:40,520 but we're still in beta. The goal for this to launch is within the 1253 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:45,399 next month or so is kind of the ideal situation. But again, this 1254 01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:49,640 is really at the end of the day, it's a team of it's a 1255 01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:53,319 team of people who are interested in this, building it together, you know 1256 01:33:53,359 --> 01:33:55,920 what I mean. And I think that's the other thing too that kind of 1257 01:33:55,960 --> 01:34:00,399 helps these projects. One of the other challenges that's always been with these jets, 1258 01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:02,920 it's kind of a group. It's a very small group of people who 1259 01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:08,199 are going to do this, and then if one of them have an issue 1260 01:34:08,199 --> 01:34:11,000 that come up, or if it's a challenge or whatever, it can't go 1261 01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,439 anywhere else. This is really a group of it's a group of us building 1262 01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,720 this, you know what I mean. And anyone in the chat, anyone 1263 01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:20,119 watching this, if they want to get involved, they can join the chat, 1264 01:34:20,119 --> 01:34:24,319 they can help us, and they can get started, you know. 1265 01:34:24,399 --> 01:34:28,119 But so when we officially launch, when we have that bug free code that 1266 01:34:28,199 --> 01:34:31,159 goes out to the public just with an easy installer and everything else, Martin, 1267 01:34:31,239 --> 01:34:34,760 you will be one of the first people I tell and you can vote 1268 01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:39,239 it to the chat and everyone else. But please do join our chat and 1269 01:34:39,279 --> 01:34:42,399 look on the wiki and see what we can do. Already all right, 1270 01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,520 now, did you ever I don't know if you followed this, but at 1271 01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,760 one time there was the and I actually had one of the people on my 1272 01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:57,319 show here the cube sat thing that are you familiar with that as a UFO 1273 01:34:57,399 --> 01:35:02,279 detection through a cube sat thing. I'm having a distortion on my background. 1274 01:35:02,319 --> 01:35:06,319 I have to change that. Um, had you ever heard of that? 1275 01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:10,239 So, yeah, we've heard of that. So actually it's funny, that's 1276 01:35:10,319 --> 01:35:13,000 it was it. It was the indie go go project, right, Um, 1277 01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,359 they were trying to fund it through indie go go. Um. Yeah, 1278 01:35:16,399 --> 01:35:23,960 it's a really interesting idea, it's we're doing. We're so that was 1279 01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:28,159 a satellite, right if unless I'm mistake and it was up in orbit for 1280 01:35:28,199 --> 01:35:31,039 a short time, not very long time. So that's one of the goals, 1281 01:35:31,159 --> 01:35:33,159 or that's one of the reasons why we're doing what we are doing, 1282 01:35:33,279 --> 01:35:36,880 is that it is a lot easier for people to put one of these things 1283 01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:41,760 out on their patio than it is to get something into orbit. Right. 1284 01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:49,720 It's kind of the good thing about being on a team of engineers is you 1285 01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:54,680 know, um, like the first couple of the first couple of these units 1286 01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:59,199 that have been deployed that are just testing units. They're in like you know, 1287 01:35:59,399 --> 01:36:01,760 rain proof plastic boxes. You know what I mean. It's because you 1288 01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,479 gotta work smart. You can't work hard, right, work smarter, not 1289 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:09,680 harder. That's kind of what we're trying to do here. So it's a 1290 01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:14,119 really great idea. But I think, um, you know, it's going 1291 01:36:14,199 --> 01:36:15,399 to be another one of those things that we kind of try to learn from 1292 01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,840 right as we as we kind of look through this stuff. We are starting 1293 01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:23,119 the literature search very early, right, We're starting, like I said, 1294 01:36:23,119 --> 01:36:26,680 in the fifties and sixties, So there is a lot of paper. There's 1295 01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:30,399 a lot of research work, there's a lot of just stuff to kind of 1296 01:36:30,399 --> 01:36:33,359 slog through and learn from, and that's the process we're still doing. So 1297 01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,840 will I, if anyone from that team wants to reach out, please do. 1298 01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:44,720 Now. You mentioned earlier that you were looking over at your window sill, 1299 01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:49,760 So is this something that's actually or can you mount it inside of your 1300 01:36:50,199 --> 01:36:56,359 house looking out a window or does it have to be outside? So mine 1301 01:36:56,399 --> 01:37:00,239 currently is sitting on my window sill because we're still testing stuff. Yeah, 1302 01:37:00,319 --> 01:37:05,560 so the ultimate goal here is okay, the unit. So that's actually one 1303 01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:09,680 of the things that we're trying to play with internally, is this idea of 1304 01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:14,000 maybe having it be wireless or something like that. Although that's gonna be a 1305 01:37:14,039 --> 01:37:16,399 big challenge, right, that's a that's an engineering hurdle that we haven't even 1306 01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:20,600 considered at this point yet, like a Bluetooth type of thing something yeah, 1307 01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:25,560 right, something like that. But the way it currently works basically, or 1308 01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:30,600 the way that we designed it right now, is it is something where it 1309 01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:35,840 is something where you can basically have it running to a power outlet in your 1310 01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,880 home. So maybe it's on the roof, maybe it's out on the patio 1311 01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,520 or on a porch, maybe it's in your backyard right on you know, 1312 01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:45,239 right near your house or whatever. But if you put it inside, the 1313 01:37:45,359 --> 01:37:49,800 challenge that we're going to probably face is the window itself will have glare. 1314 01:37:50,079 --> 01:37:54,079 You're not gonna be able to get a very good photo, right and windows 1315 01:37:54,079 --> 01:38:00,159 are facing normally are facing you know, uh, vertically exactly right. Yeah, 1316 01:38:00,199 --> 01:38:02,279 if we're talking like a skylight, like maybe that'll bit different. But 1317 01:38:02,359 --> 01:38:05,159 you know, yeah, in my house right now, I think I think 1318 01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:11,159 my camera and its testing mode has probably captured more um images of my cats 1319 01:38:11,239 --> 01:38:16,880 right now in the sky. But the one fighter are working great. Yeah. 1320 01:38:17,039 --> 01:38:23,439 Listener over Facebook, Hobbs has this question. Could you envision schools setting 1321 01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,760 up a unit I'm thinking of a high school science clubs, et cetera. 1322 01:38:27,159 --> 01:38:30,720 Absolutely, yeah, we would love to see that happen, so un science 1323 01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:35,680 project exactly. It's so it's it is a It is absolutely something we would 1324 01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:39,760 love to see people do if they would like to. Um. It's a 1325 01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:43,600 great, great idea, and it is something that we've started kind of playing 1326 01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,680 around with again. UM, and that's something that we're going to kind of 1327 01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:49,720 think about more as we Uh, what's the word as we get that first, 1328 01:38:50,039 --> 01:38:54,680 you know, perfect version out there for people to download. Um, 1329 01:38:55,319 --> 01:38:59,199 if you are if you are a science teacher at a school or a university 1330 01:38:59,279 --> 01:39:01,760 or whatever, or you just have I don't know, boy, scout troope, 1331 01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,439 girl, scout troope, whatever that do this kind of stuff, it 1332 01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:08,199 might be interested in doing this. Let us know. We would love to 1333 01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:11,279 We would love to help. I think it's a great idea. Actually, 1334 01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:15,800 we do have a science teacher in Canada that was just emailed me that listens 1335 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,399 to the show. Hopefully he's listening. Yeah, that'd be wonderful. We 1336 01:39:18,399 --> 01:39:25,119 wouldn't really love it. Uh yeah great. Well, um, so as 1337 01:39:25,159 --> 01:39:29,279 far as let's get let's get back, let's switch gears just a little bit. 1338 01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:32,079 Um, and let's talk about your podcast, because I know you do 1339 01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:39,119 mostly one podcast, a Mad Scientist podcast, but you're you have another one 1340 01:39:39,159 --> 01:39:42,600 as well. Yeah, we have another. We have a show that so 1341 01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:45,600 the Mad Scientists podcast I do with my co host Marie, and Marie has 1342 01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:49,600 a show called um whatever remains that it would be great if people went and 1343 01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:53,920 checked out. It is a it is a lot of fun. So she's 1344 01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:59,479 actually doing now a series on the Circleville Letters which is kind of an interesting 1345 01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:02,920 true I'm sort of story that's been going on. So The Mad Scientist is 1346 01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:05,760 the show that I do with her. That show is much more kind of 1347 01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:10,800 conversational. We talked about different topics. Um, you know, we talked 1348 01:40:11,279 --> 01:40:15,760 recently. We're doing an episode now on the discovery of King Tut's tomb, 1349 01:40:15,079 --> 01:40:18,560 which is really interesting and kind of some of the story there that's in the 1350 01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:23,000 background of this figure who founded and everything else. It's I love that, 1351 01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:29,000 that whole story. It's always fascinated me. And the things they found when 1352 01:40:29,039 --> 01:40:33,680 they finally found that tomb or just sitting like they were sealed up yesterday. 1353 01:40:34,039 --> 01:40:38,920 Yeah, amazing it is, you know with chairs, I mean it's just 1354 01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:42,840 you know, three thousand year old would just sitting there like it was brand 1355 01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:46,239 new at the art whatever it is. Yeah, that was one of the 1356 01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,199 one of the quotes that actually I really liked from the last episode we did 1357 01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:56,239 on It was as soon as they opened up the chamber, air started flowing 1358 01:40:56,279 --> 01:41:00,479 out. Hot air started coming out of the chamber. And then there's a 1359 01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:04,279 quote in there from a chemist who actually helped there's a there's actually a chemist 1360 01:41:04,319 --> 01:41:11,800 who is um responsible for basically making sure all of the objects that came out 1361 01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:15,479 of the tomb were able to be transported and safe from the atmosphere, because 1362 01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:19,039 as soon as you opened it up, it started degrading, Yes, exactly. 1363 01:41:19,239 --> 01:41:24,159 And so there's yeah, there's a quote from I want to say it's 1364 01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:27,039 from the chemist, but it might have been from one of the archaeologists. 1365 01:41:27,039 --> 01:41:30,319 But essentially the quote is, as soon as they opened the door, they 1366 01:41:30,359 --> 01:41:36,119 started hearing wood crack, they started hearing like papers degree. They were like, 1367 01:41:36,119 --> 01:41:41,520 you could hear the degree the degradation happened. It's just it's it's amazing. 1368 01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:45,640 It's oh, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, but you look at 1369 01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:49,600 the pictures, the vintage pictures that they took, and it's he's just it's 1370 01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:55,520 just amazing, just amazing. It's a great it's a very very interesting story 1371 01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,159 and it's one that they never thought they were going to find it for a 1372 01:41:58,199 --> 01:42:00,319 long time. No, it's so crazy, it's it's really cool. So 1373 01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:02,600 if you if you like that kind of stuff. So we did that. 1374 01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:09,760 We recently did a series, well recently we finished a series finally on um 1375 01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:15,000 kind of the history of Robert Bigelow's forays into the UFO world, which was 1376 01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:19,199 so much research work. It took so long to do. Um, I 1377 01:42:19,319 --> 01:42:25,199 have like hundreds of documents and pages and everything else that are just like you 1378 01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:27,600 know, oh my, we couldn't have done it without, frankly, the 1379 01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:30,000 work of so many other great researchers before us. But that was a really 1380 01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,640 great series. We tad that was a lot of fun. Now you can 1381 01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:38,760 find that easily on the Matt Scientists podcast. So I'm going to listen to 1382 01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:41,640 that. Yeah, look, look for it on Spotify. Um, they're 1383 01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:45,560 on YouTube actually too, although our YouTube channel is just the podcast re uploaded. 1384 01:42:45,159 --> 01:42:48,880 Look for us on spreaker. On every podcast platform you're on, you 1385 01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:53,000 can you can find our episode. So just search for the Matt Scientist podcast 1386 01:42:53,239 --> 01:42:57,439 and we should be there. Yeah. Yeah, I will definitely check that 1387 01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:01,640 for I mean that those two you just mentioned, I hope you'll like, 1388 01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,960 Yeah, there were a lot of fun. We actually this season, we 1389 01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:11,960 started off this season with a series on we did it. We basically wanted 1390 01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,880 to start this series off with archaeology, you know what I mean, because 1391 01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:18,319 that's something we both love and we hadn't touched on before last season. That 1392 01:43:18,359 --> 01:43:23,720 we did a lot of Um, a lot of the last season, we 1393 01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,279 did a lot of stuff on like UFOs and a lot of alien stuff and 1394 01:43:26,279 --> 01:43:29,439 whatever. This season we were like, let's do let's do archaeology, Let's 1395 01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:31,199 do some cool stuff there. And so the first series we did it was 1396 01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:35,079 actually on Troy and the Discovery of Troy. And then this one I was 1397 01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:38,920 on is on King Tut and we have some others coming up to that I 1398 01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:41,520 hope will be I hope it'll be interesting. It's it's gonna be a lot 1399 01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:45,079 of fun. So, you know, I think a really interesting topic, 1400 01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,520 um, you know, and maybe you've already talked about it on your on 1401 01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:54,399 your show, but is when they would have to change the history book when 1402 01:43:54,479 --> 01:44:00,399 they find something that goes against oh sure, like for instance, when they 1403 01:44:00,399 --> 01:44:03,960 settled North America, when humans supposedly first settled North America, that type of 1404 01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:09,720 thing, and they find something that kind of goes against that, you know, 1405 01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:14,000 those type of fines. I think it's very we That's it's funny. 1406 01:44:14,039 --> 01:44:17,000 Actually, that's kind of right. Where are our show sits? A lot 1407 01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:21,199 of our episodes sit at those points where we look at stories where science and 1408 01:44:21,319 --> 01:44:30,279 pseudoscience um or um, you know, where history and pseudohistory or history and 1409 01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:33,560 not yet discovered history where those things merge and they kind of clash. Right, 1410 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:39,000 that's the interesting part. That's the areas where cool stuff happens. And 1411 01:44:39,079 --> 01:44:44,239 so yeah, no, we we will we. My co host has been 1412 01:44:44,319 --> 01:44:48,520 dying to do an episode on like ancient American history stuff like you know about 1413 01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:53,520 um yeah, like vikings and all that other stuff and or whatever, and 1414 01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:56,279 we just haven't done it yet. But it's all it's on the docket. 1415 01:44:56,319 --> 01:45:00,000 It's in the docket. Don't worry. Yeah, it'll be good. Yeah, 1416 01:45:00,119 --> 01:45:02,600 I know, you know, Columbus gets all the glory. There's Yeah, 1417 01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:09,399 well that's what's so interesting, right with with Troy. Um. The 1418 01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:14,359 guy that supposedly just rediscovered the lost city of Troy is this guy whose name 1419 01:45:14,399 --> 01:45:18,920 is Schlieman. And if you actually like read uh, if you read kind 1420 01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:24,840 of the history and everything else, he didn't really rediscover Troy. He you 1421 01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:30,479 know, he just he went to where Troy was said to be and he 1422 01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:33,880 just went there and the people were like, yeah, this was Troy. 1423 01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:36,720 And he's like, I did it. I did it. You didn't do 1424 01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:41,640 anything, you know what I mean, Like you slam dunk, Yeah, 1425 01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,880 slam dunk. This is perfect. Right. It's like it's like me rediscovering 1426 01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,520 Montana, you know what I mean, Like no one here in Massachusetts talks 1427 01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:53,359 about man Montana. I'm gonna find the lost city of Montana. It's crazy, 1428 01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,880 you know. Um And and one day I will I will discover that 1429 01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:02,239 lost city of Montana. Lost awesome. Well, all right, so we'll 1430 01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:10,119 skate back to the UFO world and uh and you know what you're doing I 1431 01:46:10,159 --> 01:46:14,039 think is wonderful and I really hope you know, it's something that I actually 1432 01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:18,520 would like to actually build myself and be a part of it. I'd like 1433 01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:20,960 to do that, you know. But I got to tell you, when 1434 01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:25,560 you talk about coding and stuff like that, you're talking to the wrong guy. 1435 01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:28,000 I don't know any of that stuff. I mean, I I do 1436 01:46:28,079 --> 01:46:30,520 my own websites and things like that, but I mean it sounds complicated. 1437 01:46:31,039 --> 01:46:35,159 Oh I am believe me if I'm if I'm talking, you're talking to the 1438 01:46:35,199 --> 01:46:40,159 wrong guy. I don't know that stuff either, you know. We um, 1439 01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:45,000 that's the that's why we are. It is very simple, you know. 1440 01:46:45,079 --> 01:46:48,199 The methodology right now is relatively simple. So the goal ultimately is to 1441 01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:53,680 build the system that anyone can do, right we want this to be something 1442 01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:58,079 that, um, you know the joke I always well, this is a 1443 01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:00,600 joke. I was gonna say the joke I always say, this is a 1444 01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:03,119 joke. Actually that my advisor when I was a PhD told me, and 1445 01:47:03,159 --> 01:47:06,680 I've taken it with me forever since then. He would always say, what 1446 01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:10,199 I was about to do a presentation or teach a class or anything, he 1447 01:47:10,199 --> 01:47:13,840 would say, if your mom can understand it, then you did a good 1448 01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:17,159 job. Right. That's the sky Hub test too, Right, if our 1449 01:47:17,279 --> 01:47:20,560 moms can build one of these systems that we've done it, right, that's 1450 01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:24,680 kind of the goal here, right, you know, So it's got to 1451 01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:29,159 be easy enough that anybody can build one of these things, but it also 1452 01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:31,840 we wanted to be robust enough then it can do what we needed to, 1453 01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,840 right, you can actually do the tracking we want to do. Yeah. 1454 01:47:35,039 --> 01:47:39,479 The only thing I think about, and I've thought about this not just your 1455 01:47:40,359 --> 01:47:43,960 you know, what you're looking to build, but also I've asked this of 1456 01:47:44,199 --> 01:47:48,439 you know, Chris O'Brien and Mark d Antonio and what they're decided to do 1457 01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:54,359 to do the weather. You know, you can get such in some erage, 1458 01:47:54,359 --> 01:47:57,920 you can get such harsh weather, you know, high winds and ice 1459 01:47:58,039 --> 01:48:01,600 and all that. How would you you know, I can't really foresee exactly 1460 01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:06,359 the unit you're talking about, but how do you compensate to make sure, 1461 01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:09,520 you know, it doesn't get affected by the weather. I know, you 1462 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:13,920 get the fan and also you know you could be out in the desert with 1463 01:48:14,159 --> 01:48:17,159 really high heat that you know a fan may not be enough. Yep. 1464 01:48:17,279 --> 01:48:21,640 So it's a really great question. So the enclosure has been designed by our 1465 01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:27,439 kind of you know, enclosure designer or lead enclosure designer Richard Hopps to withstand 1466 01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:30,199 those, uh, those situations. But again, a lot of this is 1467 01:48:30,199 --> 01:48:33,319 going to be about testing. Right. As we do this, as we 1468 01:48:33,399 --> 01:48:36,079 test these things more and more, we're going to learn more, right, 1469 01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:41,520 Um. So it could be that you know, um, it could be 1470 01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:43,840 we put one of these things out there and it turns out, hey, 1471 01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:47,760 it isn't you know, it isn't built to withstand the cold of New England, 1472 01:48:48,039 --> 01:48:50,920 right, something like that. Say, um, that'll be something we'll 1473 01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:55,359 learn and we'll find out and then we will we will design to fix it. 1474 01:48:55,479 --> 01:49:00,520 Right. The beauty of this system is that, um, you know, 1475 01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:04,920 we are working with the public to make this work, right, and 1476 01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:09,039 so there are a lot of smart people out there listening, and a lot 1477 01:49:09,039 --> 01:49:11,720 of smart people on the team, and a lot of smart people who aren't 1478 01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,840 on the team yet but hopefully will be, who will be able to help 1479 01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:18,479 us to solve those problems. Right. And actually that was a question that 1480 01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:23,560 I actually saw. It's funny enough to someone asked in the chat earlier, 1481 01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:28,119 who decides where those first hundred units go? You do? The public does, 1482 01:49:28,399 --> 01:49:31,399 right? Who builds those first hundred units? The units go up where 1483 01:49:31,399 --> 01:49:33,920 people build them. You know, we have no control over that, right 1484 01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:38,479 If if one hundred people in Texas decided to build those units, we're going 1485 01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:41,439 to have a hell of a sky hub sensor array in Texas. Yeah, 1486 01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:46,000 but you know it depends on who builds them, right, So whoever whoever 1487 01:49:46,039 --> 01:49:49,439 puts them up there, that's how they're going to go up. You know, 1488 01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:57,159 a lot of you mentioned crowdsourcing earlier for thus tubes at you really at 1489 01:49:57,159 --> 01:49:59,800 three hundred dollars, you're not really going to have to worry about that, 1490 01:50:00,119 --> 01:50:02,399 you know, I mean I realized, you know, with this COVID there's 1491 01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:08,840 actually economic issues with a lot of people that may not have the ability they 1492 01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:11,359 have all the time. Now they wish they could, but they may not 1493 01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:14,399 have the time to afford something like that. But someone could do their own 1494 01:50:14,399 --> 01:50:18,840 little personal go fund me or I don't know how those things work, but 1495 01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:24,319 you know, possibly if especially if they want to higher end. No, 1496 01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:29,760 what'll be cool too, honestly, is you know, if if a group, 1497 01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:32,319 you know, if let's say, like a local UFO research group wants 1498 01:50:32,319 --> 01:50:35,319 to get together and build one of these things together, they can, right. 1499 01:50:35,359 --> 01:50:39,720 It doesn't have to be you know, I mean it would have to 1500 01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:43,840 be at someone's house to have it do stuff, right, But the goal 1501 01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:45,560 here is that, you know, we want it to be cheap enough that 1502 01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:47,560 people could do it. Even if they have to save a little bit, 1503 01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:50,479 they could still do it. And really, if you just want to be 1504 01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:54,000 involved, you in our chat, right, we have a Patreon if you 1505 01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:57,840 want to send us a dollar a month to help these things happen. Right, 1506 01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:01,159 Like, It's it's really easy. I mean, our costs ultimately come 1507 01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:05,439 down to server costs to store the video and to analyze it everything else. 1508 01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:09,560 But you know, at the end of the day, we're a pretty cheap 1509 01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:14,399 organization. You know, we've been built to be um you know, We're 1510 01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:16,640 built to be a cheap date, right, so it should be relatively easy 1511 01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:19,680 to do. Yeah, you know, I can't believe we only have a 1512 01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:23,640 couple of minutes left. But I did want to ask you this question at 1513 01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:27,479 some point, and that is, there are a number of places in the 1514 01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:30,800 country that are very interesting. Someone posted on the chat earlier Skinwalker Ranch, 1515 01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:35,399 for instance. But there's hot spots. Um, when you want to encourage 1516 01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:42,640 someone that's in supposed a supposed hot spot to go ahead and get one of 1517 01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:45,239 these things rolling, we absolutely would. Um. One of the kind of 1518 01:51:45,279 --> 01:51:51,359 long term goals for myself at least, would be to understand are there hot 1519 01:51:51,399 --> 01:51:56,199 spots? Right? If we look at say the if we look at say 1520 01:51:56,239 --> 01:52:00,079 the data from moof on. Right, if you look get where mufon gets 1521 01:52:00,079 --> 01:52:03,760 reports, even where mufon says good reports come from. Right, So when 1522 01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:06,359 they're investigators have analyzed, they'll say this is a good report, verse this 1523 01:52:06,399 --> 01:52:11,439 is a bad report. If you look at that data, their only correlation 1524 01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:16,239 that there exists between that data is you get more sightings of UFOs where there 1525 01:52:16,279 --> 01:52:20,600 are more people. Yes, so the upon data doesn't support the idea that 1526 01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:25,720 they're hotspots. Now, of course, I think that there could be a 1527 01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:29,159 hotspot, there could be an idea of places of high strangeness or whatever. 1528 01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:32,199 We would love to get units out there on those places. We absolutely would. 1529 01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:36,880 You know that is that is definitely something that we would love to see 1530 01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:41,880 happen. Excellent. Well I have to cut the short now. Thank you 1531 01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,640 so much, Chris. It's been a real pleasure as always, has a 1532 01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:47,720 lot of fun. Thank you Martin A love it guess audience. Thank you 1533 01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,399 so much for in the chat there. Thank you for your attention, to 1534 01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:56,880 your support and everything else. Please join us toob dot org. Yeah, 1535 01:52:57,079 --> 01:53:00,319 all right, you take care bye, don know. All right, so 1536 01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:04,359 everyone, thank you so much for listening. We will be back next week 1537 01:53:05,039 --> 01:53:10,920 with Tim Brigham. It'll be a great show, so make sure you check 1538 01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:14,760 that out. Thanks everyone that helps out and behind the scenes and all. 1539 01:53:15,279 --> 01:53:40,920 And thank you again the listeners, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.