1 00:00:17,879 --> 00:00:21,719 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jashnski, 2 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,359 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:28,399 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at FDRLST. 4 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:32,399 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts into the premium version of our 5 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:36,719 website, The Federalist dot Com as well. Today we're joined for an emergency 6 00:00:36,759 --> 00:00:40,719 pot of sorts by the one and only Sean Davis, CEO of The Federalist. 7 00:00:40,759 --> 00:00:43,960 Sean, thanks for coming on, Thanks for having me on, Emily. 8 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,600 Of course, this is, like I said, an emergency pot of 9 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,799 sorts, because we got the Durham Report yesterday Monday afternoon. It dropped with 10 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,640 all kinds of juicy details from the investigation. Sean, if we could just 11 00:00:56,679 --> 00:01:00,640 start from square one, if you're talking to somebody, obviously you followed the 12 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:04,280 story and you've broken news on the story for years. But if you were 13 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:10,000 explaining to somebody who had not followed the story, what the Durham Report is, 14 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,079 what the Durham investigation, the Special Console investigation is, how would you 15 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,879 explain it? That's a great question. I would describe it as an FBI 16 00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:26,840 led coup against an entire political party and against the American people. So what 17 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:32,040 happened in twenty sixteen is, at the urging of the Hillary Clinton campaign, 18 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:38,519 the FBI decided to assert itself into the presidential election by opening an investigation under 19 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:45,400 false pretenses against Donald Trump. Is in his campaign, using lies that were 20 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:49,760 given to it directly by the Clinton campaign and its contractors, to get warrants 21 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:57,799 to spy on Trump's campaign, to spy on his campaign affiliates. And they 22 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,680 did this all in the hopes first of swinging the presidential election in twenty sixteen, 23 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:07,919 and when that failed, they transitioned to using the opt that they had 24 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:15,360 spun up to potentially end and at least cripple the entire Trump presidential administration. 25 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:22,039 And it involved honey traps, it involved human sources, involved illegal spying. 26 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,319 And if you're familiar with Watergate, which was kind of a two bit break 27 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:35,120 in by some random people affiliated with the CIA at the time, they were 28 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:40,520 allegedly looking for dirt on Nixon's opponents. Take that. Just pump it full 29 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:47,240 of steroids, let it metastasize for years on end. That's what you had 30 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:53,840 with this Russia Gate collusion effort. It made Watergate look like absolute child's play. 31 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:59,759 You had the CIA director, the FBI director, the president himself, 32 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:04,319 the vice president are now president, all being briefed at the time on Hillary 33 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:08,039 Clinton's plan to just spin up wise about Trump, and they were all in 34 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:13,840 on it. To me, even talking about it, it's shocking how corrupt 35 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,080 and brazen the whole thing was. And while I know a lot of people 36 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,680 are upset that Durham didn't go after more people, didn't put more people in 37 00:03:20,759 --> 00:03:24,319 prison, what he lays out in his report is just an utter indictment of 38 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:30,879 the entire culture at the FBI, at the CIA, given that they they 39 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:37,639 were deliberately openly trying to subvert an entire presidential election and they nearly got away 40 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,560 with it. I think that's a really great place. It's a great launch 41 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:46,919 point into this next part of the conversation, which is usefully debunking the media, 42 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,159 the corporate media narrative over the last twenty four hours or so about how 43 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:57,879 the Durham probe. Because it did not result in any major criminal findings, 44 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:00,280 this is the line that the media has taken. It sort of went out 45 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:04,400 with a whimper, what's your response to the media coverage of the some of 46 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:10,360 which I've seen on MSNBC is just outright dismissive of Durham. Some of it 47 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:14,080 is completely just downplaying it. Like the Wall Street Journal. You have to 48 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:17,480 kind of look to find their reporting on the Durham report coming out just yesterday. 49 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:20,839 So what do you what would you say if the media is like basically 50 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:27,560 Durham didn't find much. Well, first off, remember that the corporate corrupt 51 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,600 media just lies. They lie about everything. They lie instinctively, It's what 52 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:35,279 they do. So how dare you? Oh, I have far more offensive 53 00:04:35,319 --> 00:04:40,839 things to say about them, if we've got time, please, But they 54 00:04:40,879 --> 00:04:44,120 lie about they lie about everything, and the stuff they don't lie about, 55 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,319 they just pretend never happened and they don't cover it at all, much like 56 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,560 the Wall Street Journal news pages did. But yeah, they came out and 57 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,000 said, well, nobody went to prison for it, which is true, 58 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,800 which means some of the things were bad. Durham actually addresses this in his 59 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,120 report, and the big problem he had was that all of his charges, 60 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:06,639 because all of these crimes were perpetrated in DC, had to be brought into 61 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,759 the DC trial court and they had to face a DC jury. Now, 62 00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:15,839 DC, as many people know, is about as left winge as you can 63 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:17,240 get in a city, you know, maybe San Francisco, maybe Philly, 64 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,480 maybe they're a little more democratic. But DC went something like ninety five percent 65 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:26,959 for Hillary, ninety five percent for Joe Biden. And I know everyone likes 66 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,639 to say, well, the Constitution, you get a jury of your peers 67 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,120 and a fair jury representative. They looked at that and they'll be impartial. 68 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,399 That's a total lie. We all know what these juries do, especially in 69 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,920 cases that are political. And while there were obviously crimes committed here, this 70 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,600 was an inherently political case because it had everything to do with how we run 71 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,120 our elections and who you happen to be supporting in twenty sixteen or twenty twenty. 72 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:57,319 So what happened was Durham, I believe, brought three cases in DC. 73 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:03,839 Kevin Clin Smith was an FBI ernie who fabricated information in spy warrants against 74 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:09,560 carter Page. He put in lies about carter Page. The CIA told Kevin 75 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:15,720 Cline Smith, a top FBI attorney, that carter Page had actually assisted the 76 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,319 US government in tracking down a whole bunch of Russian spies. What clin Smith 77 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:24,680 did is he changed this email from the CIA to say the opposite of what 78 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:28,399 it actually said to make carter Page look like a liar when he had claimed 79 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:31,439 that he had worked with the CIA and the government to root out Russia spying 80 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:38,920 in the US. So he changed that to give it the opposite of what 81 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,759 reality was in this warrant to spying carter Page. Then you had Michael Sessman, 82 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:48,879 a DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign lawyer who was doing all kinds of shenanigans 83 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:54,000 with the FBI, peddling lines to them, peddling information that he either knew 84 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,639 was false or should have known to be false. He was indicted, that 85 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,720 went to a jury. Clin Smith pleaded. He's probably kicking himself for having 86 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,360 pleaded, now knowing how politicized DC juries are. Susman went and he was 87 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:11,240 acquitted. And you even had people in this trial saying, well, we 88 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,600 don't even think they should have brought this case. This is a waste of 89 00:07:13,639 --> 00:07:16,160 time. This is the same jury pool. Mind you throwing grannies in prison 90 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:19,759 because they glanced at the Capitol for five seconds on January six, twenty twenty 91 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:24,639 one. And then you had the same thing with Ivor Danshenko, a major 92 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,199 source for the so called Steele dossier, who made up all kinds of crap. 93 00:07:28,879 --> 00:07:31,560 Same thing happened there. So Durham addressed it in his report. He 94 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,560 didn't say this, he all but said it, which is that it's a 95 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,360 political case. There was no chance of getting a fair trial or a fair 96 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:43,040 jury who was willing to look at the facts of the law, and so 97 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,000 it would have been utterly pointless. He could have brought all the indictments in 98 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,199 the world he wanted, and those juries in DC, because they are so 99 00:07:48,399 --> 00:07:51,600 left wing and so partisan, would have dismissed all of them out of hand. 100 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:59,319 So, just given how our system is now, Durham was kind of 101 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,399 was kind of stuck. If it were up to eat, I would completely 102 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:09,800 abolish the DC trial system and these political cases that arise out of political stuff 103 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,040 in DC, I would farm them out randomly to districts around the country to 104 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:18,439 get rid of this this one district with ninety five percent Dems basically holding the 105 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:24,040 country hostage with their partisan hackery. M Yeah, it's amazing. Now there 106 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,879 was some it seems like there's some new information about Egor Denchenko the primary subsource 107 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:33,679 of the Steel dossier in the Durham report yesterday, Did we learn anything new 108 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:39,000 about Dencenko? I believe he was actually making money for his lies. Well, 109 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,279 yeah, so the FBI initially paid him as a confidential human source that 110 00:08:43,759 --> 00:08:48,039 they knew he was the subsource, and so they brought him in. They 111 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:52,440 paid him I think two hundred and twenty thousand dollars. That's a lot of 112 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,759 First off, that's a lot of money to do anything. That's a crap 113 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,679 ton of money to just feed him lie which they knew were lies, which 114 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,200 ought to tell you something about the credibility of this investigation from the beginning. 115 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:11,440 But even after they determined that he was the primary subsource, that everything he 116 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,720 had fed them was nonsense that they couldn't corroborate in any way, shape or 117 00:09:15,759 --> 00:09:20,080 form, they proposed to give him I think another three hundred grand. And 118 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,080 it wasn't because he was such a good, reliable source of intel. The 119 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,159 real reason they did it was that if they could keep him tied up as 120 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:31,919 a confidential human source, they could shield him from congressional oversight, congressional questioning, 121 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,879 in congressional scrutiny. And that's what actually happens in this little example here 122 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:43,000 is a microcosm of how corrupt, how irreparably broken the FBI is. That 123 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,960 they could get away with something like this. They knew what was happening, 124 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,240 they knew they were going to get caught, and their way to address it 125 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:52,200 wasn't to just come clean and say, hey, we screwed up, you 126 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:54,679 got us. It was to pay off people who they knew had been lying 127 00:09:54,679 --> 00:10:01,519 on their behalf so congressional investigators couldn't get to them. It seems completely unbelievable. 128 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:05,039 I mean, it's like it's just hard to even wrap your head around 129 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:09,440 the fact that the media has had zero interest first of all that had happened, 130 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,480 and secondly that the media has had absolutely zero interest in this except for 131 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:18,440 buying the line that was fed to the FBI from Denchenko to Steel and all 132 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:24,840 this under the Clinton campaign goes straight into the media with like no questioning. 133 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:28,279 Here we are years later and they don't want to reckon at all with something 134 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:35,360 they got completely wrong in the service of the government. Yeah, it's the 135 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:41,120 media's role in this is even crazier. And basically what happened is somebody in 136 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:45,919 the FBI or DJ one of these people running these cups against the American people 137 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,799 would call a reporter and was just pedal absolute nonsense to them. Hey, 138 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,000 I heard Trump paid a whole bunch of prostitutes to pee on a bed at 139 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:58,600 the Moscow rits that Obama once slept it. Now I'm not making that up. 140 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:03,279 This rule or this lie actually happened, and people who pretend to be 141 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:09,919 very smart and thoughtful and intellectual actually bought it. So there's this rumor out 142 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:13,080 there, and then you have the FBI call for report and say, hey, 143 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,879 have you heard this. We're looking into this week, and then the 144 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:26,879 media will go and will report it breathlessly. Investigators are digging into allegations that 145 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:31,639 Trump may have been compromised by Vladimir Putin with information about his sexcapades. And 146 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,679 then what the FBI will turn around and do is they'll take that media report, 147 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:39,159 which they themselves sourced, and they'll use that as evidence and the spy 148 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,440 warrant, which this is something they actually did with Yahoo News. It wasn't 149 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,080 this particular example in the Steel dossier, but they took a bunch of nonsense 150 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,679 from the dossier they fed it to reporters. Reporters dutifully reported, oh, 151 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,759 the FBI is looking into these various serious allegations. And then the FBI took 152 00:11:56,799 --> 00:12:00,600 those news reports and put them in FISS spy warrant applications. Is proof that 153 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:03,639 the allegations were correct, because obviously the media wouldn't report on something if it 154 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:11,399 weren't true. And they called this stovepiping in the intel industry. I call 155 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,440 it the media and the FBI getting high on their own parts. But it's 156 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,440 what they did constantly. They would pedal lies to their friends in the media, 157 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:24,000 the media would dutifully rebroadcast and republish them, and then the FBI would 158 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:30,320 use those articles as proof in official government documents seeking to spy on people. 159 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:35,279 And it all worked. It worked flawlessly at the time until Devin nun has 160 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:41,480 showed up as the skunk in their little picnic and blew the whole thing up 161 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,559 again. It just it's insane to think how all of this happened basically in 162 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,279 full public view. People like Devon Nuna's outlets, like the Federalists are calling 163 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,919 attention to it, and the media just is if anything turning turning, it's 164 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,679 it's gun aiming, it's fire at the people who are trying to do basically 165 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,720 it's job for it. It's unreal the Clinton There is some Clinton stuff in 166 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:09,679 the Durham Report. Do we learn anything new about the Clinton plan intelligence this 167 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:13,840 is how Durham describes it in the report. Or is it more just confirmation 168 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:18,759 of what we already knew the Clinton campaign was doing and feeding all of this 169 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,399 information to the FBI. I think it's a little both. There's a lot 170 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,360 that I think those of us who have followed the story new, but is 171 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,240 probably is probably new news to those who haven't followed it obsessively like we have. 172 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,600 For example, the CIA was told, I believe, in mid twenty 173 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:43,360 sixteen that the Russians were themselves aware of a plan by Hillary to pedal nonsense 174 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,720 about collusion with Trump and then to use that to bilify him and win the 175 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:50,559 presidential election. The Russians were aware of it. Now, what do you 176 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,360 think would happen? If you're the Russians? You know this and kind of 177 00:13:54,360 --> 00:14:00,000 your whole goal is just to destabilize countries and people that are getting in your 178 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,399 way. You'd assume that they would jump right on it, And wouldn't you 179 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:07,399 know it? I Gordan Chinko, the primary subsource, the guy who was 180 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:13,399 feeding lies to the Clinton campaign and the FBI was himself previously a Russian intelligence 181 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,759 source. And this happened over and over again, and so you end up 182 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:24,120 with the Hillary Clinton campaign saying Trump colluded with the Russians, when there we 183 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:30,480 know for a fact there was one campaign that was continuously colluding with Russian intel 184 00:14:30,559 --> 00:14:35,879 sources, Russian oligarchs, and Russian sources to tilt a presidential election. And 185 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:39,440 it wasn't Donald Trump's, it was Hillary Clinton's. The Russians knew it, 186 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,919 our own CIA knew it, and they never said a word any of us 187 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:50,440 about it. The washed Alto on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every 188 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:54,039 day, Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy and how it 189 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,200 affects your wallet. Are you at risk of losing your job to AI? 190 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:01,679 Although some jobs will be a eliminated, more jobs could be created as the 191 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:07,799 fears of artificial intelligence grow. Will creative destruction work in this decade? What 192 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:09,879 should you do to prepare? Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall 193 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:13,919 Street, it's affecting you financially? Be informed? Check out the Watchdought on 194 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,639 Wall Street Podcast with Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your 195 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:24,120 podcasts. Well, and that's particularly interesting because one of the big takeaways from 196 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:31,000 the durm Report he lays out right away basically how the FBI had no substantiating 197 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:37,039 information, no intelligence apparatus, the United States government had any substantiating information that 198 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:41,759 the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia or was in contact with Russia at all 199 00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:48,000 when Crossfire Hurricane gets opened. And yet what the CIA has here is that 200 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,679 the Clinton campaign is in contact with the Russians. Right. It's fascinating. 201 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:58,519 You know, we know from the Muller Report in poor Muller that poured daughter 202 00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:03,080 or in old Pool and his little band of Keystone cops tried so hard they 203 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:07,840 spent years, in tens of millions of dollars trying to get rid of Trump 204 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:11,120 with this rush inclusion nonsense. They couldn't find anything. That was after several 205 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,440 years. But now we find out from this Durham report that when they opened 206 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:21,080 the investigation against Trump in July twenty sixteen, they called it Crossfire Hurricane, 207 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,600 they had no evidence, they had no information, they had no proof of 208 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:30,519 anything suggesting any ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, and it proves that 209 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:34,279 the thing from the beginning was nonsense. It was a hoax based on nothing 210 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:41,159 but documents and lies peddled by the Clinton campaign itself. And Durham has called 211 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:45,080 me. I think there's our emails from call me saying where is the FISA? 212 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:48,320 Where is the FISA? That's in relation to George Popadopolis? Right, 213 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:53,559 Yeah, it was either Popadopoulos or Page. There were two people the FBI 214 00:16:53,720 --> 00:17:00,320 tried to go after with FISA warrants. They tried with Popodopholis and failed when 215 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:06,640 they started their little campaign of sending honey traps after him and getting confidential human 216 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:11,119 sources from the FBI to record their conversations with him Carter Page. According to 217 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,440 the report, it looks like the whole campaign by the FBI against him was 218 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,359 basically just a personal vendetta within the FBI. They didn't like him for some 219 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:25,279 reason, maybe because he had so effectively without their help previously brought in a 220 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:30,960 whole bunch of actual Russian spies. But we know they spied on him. 221 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:36,079 We know their warrant applications were full of lies, mostly from the Steel dossier. 222 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:41,279 We know that those warrants were illegal because the FIS accord itself after all 223 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:45,319 this came out, said yeah, we know at least the third and fourth 224 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:48,720 FISEL warrants were illegal. And then we find out through this Durham report that 225 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,759 not only was there no evidence anywhere that carter Page was cluding with anyone, 226 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,160 he had helped the US government track down Russian spies number one and number two, 227 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,519 the FBI just didn't like him, and this whole thing was retribution against 228 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:07,519 him. That's stocking to think about that our government can go and just decide 229 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:11,680 to ruin your life because it personally dislikes you, and you have no recourse 230 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,640 whatsoever. Well, in speaking of Watergate, I mean, FISA itself came 231 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,319 out of the Church Committee era. It was supposed to be a reform that 232 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,640 reigned in the excesses of the intelligence community that had been sort of laid bare 233 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:30,839 in the previous decade. And yet FISA is so easily abused, and it 234 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,319 doesn't seem like there's any appetite for reform whatsoever, because both the media, 235 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,880 Democrats and centrist Republicans have no interest in this story, and if anything, 236 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:44,400 seemed to want the intelligence community to have broader surveillance powers at this point. 237 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:49,559 Yeah, it seems like the Intel community, CIA, whatever, the deep 238 00:18:49,559 --> 00:18:53,039 state, whatever term you want to use. It seems like they just own 239 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,880 Congress in the Intel Committee. And it's almost a chance of faith that we 240 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,680 even got as much as we have on this, and it's because Devin Nunez, 241 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,880 when he was running House Intel, was one of the very few people 242 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,720 who weren't owned lock stock and barrel by the CIA. I mean, you 243 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:12,640 look at the Senate Intel Committee and it's an absolute joke, with the exception 244 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:18,039 of maybe one or two people maybe, But I don't know how they do 245 00:19:18,079 --> 00:19:22,079 it. I don't know if it's just old style kind of j Edgar Hoover 246 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,400 nonsense where he just digs up dirt on everyone and blackmails them. But yeah, 247 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,279 there's no recent PISO should exist anymore in its current form because of how 248 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:37,400 utterly corrupt it is. And unfortunately, since so many people in Congress just 249 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,000 have no interest in doing their actual jobs, they're just willing to let the 250 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,400 CIA run the entire country. You know, in general, it seems like 251 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,119 the DRM report a lot of what the media claims is no new bombshells. 252 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,720 He ended with a whimper, etcetera, etcetera. What he's doing is laying 253 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:59,799 out the lack of justification for crossfire, hurricane, and for the entire pro 254 00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:03,440 And so it's not as though there would be like shocking bits of information, 255 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,480 although I think there aren't plenty of shocking bits of information. But it's not 256 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:11,480 as though it's it's like brand new things nobody knew before. It's basically that 257 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,799 there was nothing like. He just says like he is going down all of 258 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:21,240 these different avenues saying there's nothing. For instance, here's this is about Carter 259 00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:26,200 Page. Durham says the FBI quote failed to follow logical investigated leads about his 260 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:30,160 quote recorded denials of having any relationship with Paul Manaford, a fact about which 261 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,319 there was available evidence. And so what he's doing is going down all of 262 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:37,640 these different sort of side streets saying the FBI didn't do this, The FBI 263 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,160 didn't do that, The FBI didn't check this out. They didn't check that 264 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,920 out. But they did when it came to you the double standard. They 265 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,039 were doing it when it came to the Clintons. You know, if it 266 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:52,640 was going to exonerate Hillary Clinton, Yes, they were going down that avenue. 267 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,359 But if it was going to exonerate Carter Page, they weren't. Well. 268 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,359 I think a perfect example of how the media decided they were going to 269 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,759 cover this, I think it was CNN. So in the report, Durham 270 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:06,920 has a section where he says, yeah, you know what, I could 271 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,200 propose a whole bunch of new rules at the FBI that might help here. 272 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:15,799 But since there is no fidelity, since there is no integrity, since there 273 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,960 is no sense of moral right and wrong at the FBI, Basically this institution 274 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:26,400 is so corrupt from the inside out that to push new rules would be utterly 275 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,880 worthless because the people who actually worked there and would have to be following them 276 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:33,319 have no moral compass. They don't care what the rules are. They don't 277 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,839 care about right or wrong. So, you know, based on what I've 278 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,640 learned, it would be a total waste of time to pass new rules because 279 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:47,000 this agency is completely without integrity whatsoever, and they wouldn't follow them anyway. 280 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:49,680 So that's what Durham lays out in the report. How do you think CNN 281 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:56,079 covered CNN covered it by saying Durham says, no new rules because nothing was 282 00:21:56,079 --> 00:22:00,920 wrong. I mean, you almost have to app and like tip your hat 283 00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:06,359 at the HUTSPA there. That's what we're dealing with the media. And you 284 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,119 know, if you look at all the lives they pedaled in service of this 285 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,960 coup and this hoax for years and years and years, who on earth would 286 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:17,559 think that now would be the time that they would actually fess up to them. 287 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,839 They're all in on this, like if anything else, they're just going 288 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,799 to keep doubling down. So I just don't think you can take at face 289 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:29,440 value these claims from corrupt corporate media outlets like CNN that oh, there were 290 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:33,960 no bombshell. The whole thing was a bombshell. It was a bombshell constructed 291 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:40,359 of smaller bombshells to make one giant vultron bombshell. And because they just can't 292 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,319 handle it, because they're tiny little brains, just can't deal with the cognitive 293 00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:47,319 dissidence between the facts and what they've been saying, they just pretend it was 294 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,920 nothing was there. They lie to their viewers and they go back to rending 295 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,000 their garments over January sixth, I mean, I don't know why people think 296 00:22:56,039 --> 00:23:00,119 they're supposed to trust the media on the story when you have immediate reaction from 297 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,039 Andrew Weisman on MSNBC, Frank Figliuzi on MSNBC. Then you go to CNN 298 00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:08,640 and it's shrinking Jim Shudo, who worked for the Obama stration, Like it's 299 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:15,720 just they're completely in bed with the organizations they're supposed to be covering and there 300 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,759 that's a huge part of why they're not able to concede that they lied. 301 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,480 I mean a lot of it was intentional. I mean, you had McCabe 302 00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:26,680 on, it was either CNN or one of the NBC's who was fired for 303 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:32,000 lying to the DOJ Inspector General going on and saying, oh, Durham's a 304 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:36,200 crank, and this whole thing's nonsense. And that's like, what's so insidious 305 00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:41,359 about how the deep state works now is these guys they go into the government, 306 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:45,640 they use their power in the information, they weaponize it against their political 307 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,920 enemies. When they leave or get fired, all these networks go and hire 308 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:55,119 them. They get massive seven figure book deals in the case of James Komey, 309 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,319 and then they get to go on TV and just lie out in the 310 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,119 open of everything about everything and shape the narrative. So they get to do 311 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,680 all their shenanigans behind closed doors, and then when they get busted, they 312 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,480 get to leave, and they get these massively lucrative sitting heres at the end. 313 00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:14,440 Like it is such a broken joke of a system that I really don't 314 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,839 know how you deal with it other than just getting rid of these agencies whole 315 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,240 cloth. I mean, in my view, the FBI, based on what 316 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:25,079 we've learned, based on what we've seen them do for twenty thirty forty years, 317 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:30,200 it's a domestic terror organization. It's the most dangerous domestic terror organization in 318 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,200 America, and it is long past time for us to defund it. I 319 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,279 mean, for goodness sake. The agency is housed in a building named after 320 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,799 Jay Edgar Hoover. Right, So, like this isn't this isn't something that 321 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,799 just started yesterday, or they're like, hey, we should be corrupt and 322 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,359 like do crimes on America. No, No, they've been doing it from 323 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,000 the very beginning. Like this entire agency was conceived in nonsense and it's long 324 00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:56,240 past time that we get rid of it entirely. Yeah, Bedford likes to 325 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,160 point out. Chris Bedford likes to point out that they Goldwater Campaign. Lyndon 326 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,759 Johnson had the CIA spy on the Goldwater campaign. It wasn't just you know, 327 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:08,480 leftist organizations being infiltrated by Hoover. It was basically everyone, and regardless 328 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:14,519 of whether there was any legitimate predicate. Sean, is there is there anything 329 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:18,799 that we're missing because there's a three hundred plus page report. Are there any 330 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,200 highlights that we haven't touched on yet? Oh gosh, I think they're all 331 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,640 low lights. No. But the big thing are big things to remember are 332 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,920 that the entire investigation by the FBI from beginning to end, was a hoax. 333 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:36,960 They didn't have any any evidence at the beginning when they opened it. 334 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,000 They didn't find any evidence while it was open, and they didn't even find 335 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,519 anything at the end when they spun up this doddering, old, demented fool 336 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,920 Bob Muller to try and clean up their mess. From beginning to end, 337 00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:52,039 they never had any evidence. It was a coup, it was a lie. 338 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,160 It was a crime permitted committed against the American people in the government they 339 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,880 elected, and the fact that not a single person is gone to prison over 340 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:06,599 it is an absolute tragedy. David Rsani has a piece saying John Brennan should 341 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,519 be in prison. Basically, if we were a truly healthy democracy, John 342 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:12,799 Brennan should be in prison just as that one example. Sean, what do 343 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:18,759 we know about how John Brennan abused his public office? Well, John Brennan 344 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:22,000 should have been in prison long before this. This is a guy who went 345 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:26,440 and blatantly lied to Congress about how the CIA was illegally spying on Congress. 346 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:32,559 Okay, the guy is dirty as the day is long. We could spend 347 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:37,240 hours just on his Shenanians and misdeeds. He's a crook, he's a liar, 348 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,799 he's utterly corrupt. We've got evidence out the WAHO of him lying to 349 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:48,160 Congress. He was in I believe, August of twenty sixteen, working with 350 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,079 Harry Reid just to try and spin up the whole collusion hoax. So I 351 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:57,519 mean Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Coomy, Struck, Lisa Page, Kevin 352 00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:02,640 Klein Smith. We could go on and on and on about all the people 353 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,759 who are in prison. And it is I said years ago, if nobody 354 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:10,880 goes to prison for this, they're going to do it again. And what 355 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,680 did they do in twenty twenty They did it again. They're going to keep 356 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:18,720 doing it until they are no longer given the tools to do it, or 357 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,079 because they're finally behind bars. Yeah, that's a story that Sean broke last 358 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,920 week about the CIA actually being You have somebody who's working for the CIA asking 359 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:33,359 seeking signatures on the Hunter Biden laptop is disinformation letter that was used as a 360 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,680 predicate by the media to ignore the story. Sean. One last question, 361 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,519 what is the appropriate position for a Republican candidate? Hey, let's just even 362 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:47,759 open it up to Democratic candidates if they're interested in truly reforming or improving the 363 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,960 intelligence community or getting rid of the intelligence community, what is the appropriate position? 364 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:56,799 What is the litmus test? If someone is voting in a primary in 365 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,480 twenty twenty four, what should a candidate be saying about how to approach the 366 00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:06,480 FBI, the CIA, the deep state. The entire apparatus needs to be 367 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:08,480 torn down to the studs. We may even need to dig up the whole 368 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:15,200 foundation and start from scratch. And if the Republican position isn't somewhere near that, 369 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,880 they're not serious and they can't be trusted. And if they ever get 370 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,079 into office, they're just going to be let around by the nose by these 371 00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:25,000 people who've been perpetrating these hoaxes on us for years. The FBI cannot be 372 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:29,240 fixed, The CIA cannot be fixed. I mean, again to go back 373 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,240 to how the FBI was conceived and nonsense. This was an agency that tried 374 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,160 to convince Martin Luther King Jr. To kill himself. Okay, we had 375 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,799 the US government going and setting people up so that they could then come and 376 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,400 shoot their kids, and their wives and their dogs. So I'm talking about 377 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,880 the Weaver family and Ruby Ridge. This is an agency in dj that went 378 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,640 and burned down an entire compound of men, women and children in Waco. 379 00:28:56,279 --> 00:29:00,720 I believe twenty or thirty years ago. They blew up an entire city block 380 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:07,240 in Philadelphia. We can go on and on and on weapons of mass destruction 381 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,400 in Iraq. What happened with those oh isis being the JB team. Oh 382 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:18,920 that's another oopsie by the CIA. The fact that one of the nine to 383 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,000 eleven hijackers and maybe even two was staying at the apartment of a FED informant 384 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:26,920 in two thousand and one and the FBI just never knew about it, and 385 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,680 then you know, a month later, we have nine to eleven these people 386 00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:34,000 are incompetent, and those who aren't incompetent are utterly corrupt. And until we 387 00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:40,319 completely clean the slate of what they've done in this country by tearing down their 388 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,960 organizations to the studs, we're going to be having these conversations over and over 389 00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:48,000 and over again about the crimes that they're committing against the American public. Sean 390 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:52,079 Davis, CEO of The Federalist, thank you so much for stopping by today. 391 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:56,680 Thank you you've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 392 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,839 I'm Emil Drashynski, culture editor here at the Federalist. Will be back soon 393 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,279 with more. Until then, belovers of freedom and anxious for the prey, 394 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,960 you go right, what are you wrong? Ro