1 00:00:01,879 --> 00:00:06,160 Hello everyone, and welcome to the latest episode of Hardwood Knocks. This is 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:12,199 Dan and Adam coming to you live after the twenty twenty two NBA Draft. 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,399 You know, we were talking a little bit before we actually started this broadcast 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,800 and felt like, aside from the New York Knicks, this draft was a 5 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:27,519 little bit light on storylines, and perhaps that's because there weren't any like truly 6 00:00:27,559 --> 00:00:33,399 egregious selections. I don't think there's any one player who we looked at him 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,079 and it's like, yeah, he went way too early. What in the 8 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:40,200 world was Team X thinking. It kind of went according to form, and 9 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:46,200 all of those big trades that were promised by the trade announcing powers that be 10 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,560 prior to the draft starting just didn't come to fruition. John Collins is still 11 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,600 in the Atlanta Hawks. No big names really got traded, unless you're still 12 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,840 considering Kemba Walker a big name. So it was just kind of it was 13 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:02,640 a string draft. How are you doing in the aftermath of it? Dan, 14 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,920 I am, you know, I probably shouldn't be gutted or surprised that 15 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,719 the Knicks were just a great, big ballish it, but I'm still I'm 16 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:14,840 fatigued from it. I'm tired of how many years do they have to do 17 00:01:14,879 --> 00:01:18,680 that to you before you just like accept it. I look, this was 18 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:21,640 the straw, Like I think they should have prepped it for us last summer 19 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,280 the way that they acted, because they clearly read too much into twenty twenty 20 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,239 twenty one. But like until this point, the most unforgivable thing they probably 21 00:01:29,239 --> 00:01:34,840 did under Leon Rose was either the first round pick swappery last year they rushed 22 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,159 to extend Julius Randall or giving Evan Fournier three guaranteed years when they gave two 23 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:42,640 to Alec Burks and nearly kne Well. That stuff was innocuous for the most 24 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,200 part, though. That is how I am doing? How are you doing? 25 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,120 Before we actually belly flop? And let's give some people from time to 26 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,640 maybe straggle in here. I'm good, I'm good. It's a long days 27 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,280 as always, between work and parent life, it's a it's always a lot. 28 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:00,239 But I always enjoy watching the draft, and I feel like I come 29 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,480 out of it the same way every year, no matter what kind of coverage 30 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,560 I'm doing. And it was more behind the scenes coverage this year than like 31 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,319 producing grades or editing live grades or anything like that. But it's like I 32 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:15,520 don't know who plays for what team right now, Like I have a general 33 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,960 sense, but really like if you if you made me play who he played 34 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,479 for right now, I would fail just as epically as Charles Barkley always does 35 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,280 perb me and where I'm employed. I'm not going to comment on Charles Barky. 36 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:36,639 You're not allowed to. I can now I did. As we wait 37 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,400 for people to come in, I want to take one minute to announce that 38 00:02:39,439 --> 00:02:45,479 there are going to be some changes to the podcast. Adam is bidding us 39 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:49,479 quasi farewell. This is not a real farewell. He will still be back, 40 00:02:49,719 --> 00:02:52,479 you know, probably once a month. Maybe. If he's itching to 41 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:54,000 come on more, we would be happy to have him. But he is 42 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:00,639 doing big things at sports casting. He is super important. I am upset. 43 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:04,560 I am sad. I think part of what makes me enjoy this podcast 44 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:08,439 so much is it was founded around a deep seated friendship and not just people 45 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:14,840 talking hoops. I'm going to miss that full disclosure to our listeners. There 46 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:19,039 was a couple of weeks where I was just dead set on ending the podcast. 47 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,879 It's a lot of work. I've never done it for the money. 48 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:25,280 I've done it to interact with you guys, just to have fun with this 49 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:29,280 and to I mean, you're kind of irrelevant if you don't have a podcast 50 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,000 and you're a full time MBA writer. But still the podcast will go on, 51 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:37,039 though I am still in the process of and have already found some people 52 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,759 who are willing to be reoccurring guests, just so that I'm not constantly doing 53 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,039 solo pods or having a find you know, it'd be It's nice to know 54 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:47,919 when you have a co host. I'm gonna do episode with person X. 55 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,919 I'm trying to make sure that this podcast will have that once a week, 56 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,319 and then I can the other episode or two a week that we do to 57 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,400 get to two or three episodes per week. There'll be solo mailbags, there'll 58 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:02,800 be other guests. If listeners I've said this in Discord a Bunch join our 59 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:09,039 Discord Thinks in the podcast description and the YouTube description if you have recommendations of 60 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:11,520 who you would like to hear on the podcast. I'm a very big fan 61 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,159 of getting people who are I feel weird saying this because I'm not well known, 62 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,040 but I want people who don't get enough shine. I feel like this 63 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:25,600 podcast is relentlessly underrated, and I want two more people who are relentlessly underrated 64 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,120 as guests, if they cover a specific team the league get large. You 65 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,560 can feel free to message me in discord. I'm on Twitter at dan fa 66 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:34,279 Valley at a VLI. The handles actually on the screen, so I wanted 67 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,360 that quick note. This is not bond voyage. Adam and I are still 68 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:41,120 going to be friends. He's still going to come on the podcast. Who 69 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,920 knows where this takes us. Maybe one day he will be on the podcast 70 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:47,720 again, or it'll be for all we know, it could be under the 71 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,839 sportscast thing umbrella or something. I haven't ruled anything out. Adam, as 72 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,279 far as I know, hasn't ruled anything out. Like I said, I 73 00:04:55,319 --> 00:04:59,240 am sad, but I heart him forever and I will miss him. But 74 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,720 he's not actually anywhere. But I did want to just say that so the 75 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,879 listeners know where we were at, and also I did have questions of okay, 76 00:05:04,879 --> 00:05:08,000 well where is Adam? And it's good to know that people were listening 77 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,040 to the extent that they knew that you weren't coming on the show as recently. 78 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,199 I was gonna say, like, I'm sure that Anyone who has followed 79 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:19,639 the podcast closely is not too surprised by this, And it was a very 80 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:25,240 difficult and bitter sweet decisions, as Dan knows for sure, and I'm glad 81 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,800 that I'll at least be welcomed back and like the recurring guest role as weird 82 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,720 as it's going to be to not do the introduction. But yeah, sometimes 83 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,360 life just gets a little bit too busy. The brief explanation is that with 84 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,319 a three and a half year old, and then I was unexpectedly promoted into 85 00:05:40,519 --> 00:05:45,600 a managing editor role at Sportscasting, so I'm spending so much time doing you 86 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:50,639 know, ideation processes and trying to solve issues and brainstorm things and whatnot that 87 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,360 I just I felt like I did not have the mental bandwidth to come up 88 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:59,000 with the brainstorming that we needed here, or to give Dan the support that 89 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,399 he needed from a cohot So it was tough, but stepping down out of 90 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:08,360 love for the podcast, and we're basically moral stories. I'm very angry with 91 00:06:08,399 --> 00:06:13,319 Adam, and there is discord always, but let's actually talk about the NBA 92 00:06:13,439 --> 00:06:15,240 draft now that we've given people some time to straggle in here. I think 93 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,240 we actually lost listeners while going through that. But that's okay. We have 94 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,240 to start with the Knicks, which is just like there was. I mean 95 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,439 this, well, actually we should start with the surprise at the top draft. 96 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,519 All right, We'll start with the Knicks. I don't understand what they're 97 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:34,199 doing anymore. They to me, they suck. They are hopeless franchise that 98 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:39,000 will never get out of their own way. They are unsuited to change for 99 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,199 more than a season or two at a time. They lull fans into thinking 100 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,480 that maybe they're acting normal, and I think they did sort of at the 101 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,879 start of the Leon Rose era. I actually wrote an article about the New 102 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:53,519 York's Knicks looking like they reformed. Never again will that happen? Definitely not 103 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,839 with this regime. Their mode of operations on Draft night was complicated, but 104 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,079 Tim bond Temps tweeted it out. The Knicks traded the eleventh pick to okay 105 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,439 See. They took Usmanjang. Okay See gave the Knicks three first round picks, 106 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,160 the Nuggets in two thousand and twenty three, Detroit's in two and twenty 107 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,920 three, Washington's in two thousand and twenty three. They are all heavily protected 108 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,800 until Kingdom come. I would estimate that all of them will convey at some 109 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:21,319 point, but I do think that Washington pick has a chance of not conveying. 110 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:27,439 The Knicks then traded Denver's two and twenty three pick and four seconds to 111 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,439 Charlotte for the thirteenth pick. They then traded the thirteenth pick with Kemba Walker 112 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:36,519 who's on an expiring contract to Detroit for that Milwaukee two twenty five first. 113 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,560 So they finished. They're not net plus three picks here, but they're still 114 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:46,439 they had their plus two picks, and they're still they could have had three 115 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,360 picks on the night. Wherever you want to frame this. They're leaving this 116 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,519 draft night with three future first rounders, which is not like this colossal loss. 117 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,600 But what they did on draft night was colossally clarifying because, as Mark 118 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,680 ste noted, as everyone under the sun noted, this move gets them to 119 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,519 a certain amount of cap space. The numbers my projections must be off because 120 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:09,720 people have them at eighteen. I have them in like fifteen ish. Regardless, 121 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:13,720 they are still one salary dump away from affording Jalen Brunson, who is 122 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:18,120 expected to get between twenty plus million up to twenty five million per year. 123 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,639 Jay Fisher a Bleacher Report reported on his Please Don't Aggregate This podcast, which 124 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:28,800 apologies then for aggregating that that the Brunson's return to Dallas has been painted as 125 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,320 sort of this basically a done deal. I would assume that after the Knicks 126 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,840 hired Rick Brunson, Jalen's father, and jumped through all these hoops, those 127 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,080 are things that they wouldn't have done. And I know that Rick Brunson already 128 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,519 had ties to the Knicks. YadA, YadA, YadA. Leon Rose is 129 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,360 also Jaalen's former agent. I believe you don't go through these steps unless you 130 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:48,480 think you have at least a chance. And so the best case scenario is 131 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,879 that Knicks get their guy, in which case they will have given let's say, 132 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:56,519 twenty five million dollars a year to a non star who neither accelerates nor 133 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,480 is good enough as good as he is to define their timeline. And this 134 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:07,000 is detrimental ass thinking. That is where I'm at. It's I know some 135 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:09,519 more optimistic people have portrayed this as, oh, the Knicks are loading up 136 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:15,200 on future picks for a trade. No, like these picks are not sexy 137 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,799 enough to be that Detroit's twenty twenty three. First, it's it's what I 138 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:26,120 think top eighteen protected. The Washington twenty twenty three. First, it's protected 139 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,960 through twenty twenty six, and it does get a little loosey goosey. It's 140 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:33,240 like there's a chance in theory that it get you get to a point where 141 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,159 it's top eight protected. These are not sexy picks that Milwaukee pick in twenty 142 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,039 twenty five. I'm gonna call it now. If that thing is higher or 143 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,039 I don't know how to frame this, if it's better than twenty second overall, 144 00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:48,639 I'll be floored. You gave up on two lottery picks. I'm not 145 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,399 saying you could have had two lottery picks, though the asking price suggestion you 146 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,120 could have if you really wanted to. But you punted on two separate lottery 147 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:58,679 selections, which is not a luxury you have. You do that when you're 148 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:05,720 the Knicks are on the precipice of absolutely fucking nothing. They just finished eleventh 149 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:09,440 in the Eastern Conference. If you signed Jalen Brunson, guess who your best 150 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,919 player is, Jalen Brunson. Unless Julius Randall has sort of this renaissance, 151 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,799 which I would I don't know why anyone would bank on that at this point, 152 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:20,879 to be honest with you, maybe RJ. Barrett pops. And even 153 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:22,759 if RJ. Barrett pops, which I won't roll out, I was lower 154 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:26,480 on RJ. Barrett to start his career. I was clearly wrong. You've 155 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,200 short circuited some of your flexibility moving forward if you've paid Jalen Brunson, Julius 156 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:35,879 Randall's extension kicks in RJ. Barrett Hello's extension as will right now, this 157 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:43,720 is just really near sighted short circuitry by the Knicks, and it's there is 158 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:48,240 no justification behind this right now. And I'm not really surprised, like I'm 159 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,240 deadenly hollowed to what this franchise does, but this was like it took a 160 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:58,320 special lack of self awareness to do this. The Knicks do not understand how 161 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,720 to build or act like an actual basketball team, and I think fans should 162 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:05,919 be absolutely positively livid. And the final thing I'll say is, this is 163 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,840 not a move that is some harmless, innocuous slap dashery. This is the 164 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:13,919 type of move, the type of thinking that should cost the people in charge 165 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,480 their fucking jobs. This is unforgivable, inexplicable. I am heated Knicks fans 166 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,480 should be heated there. Who. I don't know why you ever look at 167 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:26,039 this team and think that they're ever going to climb outside the sub middle of 168 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:31,120 the NBA right now, because all they've constantly done is everything possible to stay 169 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:33,679 exactly there. So, first of all, I hope that that was at 170 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:39,440 least somewhat cathartic for you, because there was some passion in there. Second 171 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,240 of all, the rage, I don't really know if it's following this. 172 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:50,600 Whatever it was live during the draft was wild. Just no one knew what 173 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:54,799 the details were, how it was going to play out, whether New York 174 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:58,799 was getting players or giving up players, who was going to whom. It 175 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:01,000 was just it was a mass all the way around because these deals were so 176 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:07,559 complicated and the details just like slowly trickled out for hours and hours. Third 177 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,039 of all, the optimistic view here I think is, hey, at least 178 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,879 the Knicks got more picks that they can use to foster future salary dumps like 179 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:22,399 Jalen Brunson, because you said, the best case scenario here is that they 180 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:26,480 end up getting Jalen Brunson at like twenty five million dollars a year. Is 181 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:31,639 that really the best case scenario? Is them having that contract on the books 182 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,240 for another mediocre team actually the best case scenario? Or is it better for 183 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:41,039 them if they miss out on him in this newly freed up tap space just 184 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:46,879 goes to waste or is used inexplicably on a more short term buy, Because 185 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:52,080 I might argue that the latter is better because Jalen Brunson looked awesome as a 186 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:58,000 number two to Luca don Chich in the playoffs, and the Knicks sure as 187 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:03,399 hell do not have a Luca donche and are banking on a remarkably small sample 188 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,960 size from a breakout player who we don't really know yet has staying power. 189 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,799 And Jalen Brunson has a lot of fun elements to his game. He can 190 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:13,519 put pressure on the basket, he can create his own looks, he's good 191 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,559 off the ball. He profiles as a good number two, you know, 192 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,360 maybe even a number three on a true title contender, because frankly Dallas was 193 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:28,039 short of being a title contender even with Jalen Brunson and Luca don Chich playing 194 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,279 at a high level during the postseason. So, like, is it the 195 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,320 best case scenario to have him aboard as either your number one or your number 196 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,480 two to either RJ. Barrett or Julius Randall, Because I don't think it 197 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:48,360 is. I think so that their ideal plan just makes them worse, you 198 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,159 know, not necessarily worse the short term, but even further from actually being 199 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,120 a legitimate contender. It's yeah, it's them treading in place. And also, 200 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,799 the one pushback I'll give you is that if they don't get Jalen Brunson, 201 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,279 They're gonna go out and get Malcolm Brockton, and that would arguably be 202 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,080 a worse outcome given Malcolm Brockton's injury history. So but maybe at least that 203 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:13,519 injury history would manifest itself again and they could get a better pick of their 204 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,039 own until they trade that away. I just don't. I don't know what 205 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:22,080 the justification is here. And look, I don't if anyone wants to throw 206 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,519 in the fact that, oh, Kyrie is looking like he wants to get 207 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,000 out of Brooklyn, the amount of money that the Knicks needed clear if they 208 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,080 actually wanted to sign him, it is substantially more to get up to I 209 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,840 think it's about forty two point seven million for him to get up to. 210 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,000 That's gonna take salary dumps, that's gonna take more pick equity, and you 211 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:43,440 should not be hitching any part of your wagon to Kyrie Irving. At this 212 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,720 point, I think I'm with you in the cent there's occasionally they could be 213 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:52,519 worse off with Jalen Brunson at least though there's like a known quantity there of 214 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:56,960 what's coming with the Knicks, Whereas if you don't get Jon Brunson, literally 215 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:01,960 anything else is on the table, and that's it's just like, congrats on 216 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:07,480 your best case scenario being a first round punching bag for the foreseeable future and 217 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:13,799 awesome, great job. This also, and I totally understand that there could 218 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,679 still be like what happens if some of these picks are now rerected to Dallas 219 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:22,279 as part of some sign in trade for Jalen Brunson, because this also feels 220 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,879 like it shows an ignorance to how NBA teams are built right now, where 221 00:15:24,919 --> 00:15:30,399 it's if they're not organic, where you're drafting them and maybe finding them when 222 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:33,919 they're you know, their values are down. No one's just leaving in free 223 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,000 agency anymore of this magnitude. Players are getting their money and then trying to 224 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:41,679 figure out how to leave later. And if they are leaving, it's because, 225 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:46,360 guess what, at this point, they're non stars. And I know 226 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,799 Jalen Brunson's case is is just unique with the way he's deal ended up working 227 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:54,440 out with the Mavericks, and Jalen Brunson is really really good. He kept 228 00:15:54,440 --> 00:16:00,519 the Brunson short. He is a phenomenal number two on a good team. 229 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:03,559 He's just he's not the guy. And look, I would argue because I'm 230 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:06,399 saying Kyrie Irving isn't even that guy. There are very few guys to where 231 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,480 you should be just trying to clear the deck and burning through I don't want 232 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:14,480 to say assets, because the Knicks didn't burn through a ton of assets here, 233 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,879 but they cost themselves opportunities and as a team that just finished eleventh in 234 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:23,679 the East and still doesn't have I like Emmanuel Quickly, I like I love 235 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:27,720 RJ. Barrett, Quentin Grimes, Deuce McBride. I'm a little lower on 236 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,960 Obi Toppin and I think if the consensus Knicks fan base, you still don't 237 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,720 have the star and the guaranteed star in the making. R. J. 238 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:37,919 Barrett is as close as you come, and that's just not close enough if 239 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,399 you're looking to enter the upper echelon of the East. So I understand that 240 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,639 there's more to team building than winning a title, but like you need to 241 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:49,039 have a direction and aim, any sort of coherence with which you operate, 242 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:52,879 and the Knicks just don't. And it's it's tiring, like this is just 243 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:56,840 a franchise that is never going to get out of its own way. And 244 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,720 I don't even understand, Like what I don't even understand what they're looking at 245 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:03,480 Jalen Brunson and seeing. And look, the other thing is like there should 246 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:08,000 be an investigation here one percent if the Knicks get Jalen Brunson after hiring his 247 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,480 dad to Tips's coaching staff. I know there are deeper ties there, but 248 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:18,240 like, come on, like I think Jalen Brunson rules, well, Rake 249 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:22,000 didn't Rick Brunson come out in a timcmail article and was basically saying, like 250 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,279 I've already told Leon that, like there's no guarantee that Jalen's coming. It's 251 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:30,440 like that conversation shouldn't have legally been happening. And I know it does. 252 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:34,480 But this is just like what kind of Johnny, and the chat says Kyrie 253 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:41,599 is coming. I would you prefer that to Jalen Brunson fro like Kyrie going 254 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,759 to the Knicks, right, Because I don't think Jalen Brunson will submarine the 255 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:48,720 Knicks from within. The Knicks will submarine themselves. But Kyrie Irving and the 256 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:52,440 Knicks like in the same being taught in one another. That would be an 257 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,759 exercise and dual self sabotage. So I'm I don't know that I have any 258 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:00,599 other words this other than you can tell me. Maybe there's scenario on which 259 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,559 this pans out, does another star become available that they're because look, Brunson, 260 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:08,880 cant what asset equity do you have to trade here for an actual star? 261 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,519 Johnny? I'm a Nets fan and enjoy Yeah, I just I actually 262 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:18,240 just wrote this, Janmen, Brunson can be your number two if your number 263 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,559 one is a top ten guy in the NBA and the Knicks don't have that, 264 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,880 I don't know what their pathways to getting him unles Vin Durant decides he 265 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,640 wants to leave the Nets for the Knicks, and even if that he has 266 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:32,359 four years left on his deal. If I'm Brooklyn, I know it's weird 267 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,759 to grow backbone now after you just bent over for him and Kyrie Irving all 268 00:18:34,759 --> 00:18:37,119 these years, I would send him wherever the hell I wanted. That's just 269 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,000 gonna give me the best the best offer. And you know I'm pretty pro 270 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,519 player when it comes to this stuff. So I just don't I'm even trying 271 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:48,720 to think of a counter argument to what you and I just laid out of 272 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:51,599 how this could all work out. I don't. I don't have one. 273 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,559 I couldn't have nothing I can even argue. Let's say RJ. Barrett develops 274 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:57,119 into a perennial All Star that the Knicks have kind of just marginalized the next 275 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,960 three to four years of his career at least. I mean, I guess 276 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,960 like, if you go this non cynical, true best case scenario route, 277 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:10,400 they're getting Jalen Brunson. RJ. Barrett pans out quickly becomes a good source 278 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:15,880 of offense Toppin looks good, Julius Randall returns to previous levels, You're still 279 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,960 not really a title contender, and then you have three picks in the coming 280 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:22,599 years that are gonna fall in like the twenties. You get a few dart 281 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,519 throws, maybe you hit on one, but still like that hinges on everything 282 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:33,200 going right and what in the last six decades has convinced us that things are 283 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:37,039 going to go right for the New York Knicks. I got him for you 284 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:42,200 there on either you want to move on to a happier topic. Absolutely, 285 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,920 how the top three ended up shaking out just in the sense Palo ben Caro 286 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:51,240 going number one. I don't know if you saw Wednesday night, it was 287 00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:56,400 basically overnight the NBA draft markets just shifted. The betting odds were so volatile, 288 00:19:56,839 --> 00:20:02,359 right and liked what happened there. I actually I like the way it's 289 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,000 I thought Palabankarro was the number one player on on my board when I get 290 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,640 like knee deep in the draft. I actually also think this helped out the 291 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:12,519 Rockets because I could see Jabari Smith Junior being a better fit next to Shangoon 292 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:18,319 since Jabari Smith just profiles is a more versatile defender. I think, and 293 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:23,160 people mentioned this. These were three guys who were all considered potential number one 294 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,480 picks, But to end up with any of them, it's just like you 295 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:30,799 end up. I don't think anyone necessarily lost this Just what did you make 296 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:34,480 of that last minute shift? And is there anything else? Like I know 297 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:38,000 some people painted it like is this a win or a loss for the NBA 298 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:42,279 draft betting markets, because it's like it was kind of shady how it all 299 00:20:42,319 --> 00:20:45,440 went down, and then it's like okay, but there probably were people that 300 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:48,359 took Paolo when he was like I saw him at plus seven forty five. 301 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,880 I saw him a plus two thousand, So you could have technically lost a 302 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,079 lot of money there, But it was just weird that you had woes even 303 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,240 as the markets were shifting coming out and say no, no, it's it's 304 00:20:56,319 --> 00:21:00,519 Jabari And then you know he Weatherman's it up by like just sort of changing 305 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:04,759 his position as the as the climate change. Honestly, I don't I don't 306 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:10,200 pay enough attention to the betting stuff to really like have a take on what 307 00:21:10,279 --> 00:21:14,799 it means other than it was interesting to follow and that it seemed like the 308 00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:18,480 betting markets one out over the news breakers. I don't really know what that 309 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:19,839 means. If it was just like a bunch of sharps, or if there 310 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:25,000 was leaked information that not everyone had access to, or something shady going on, 311 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,440 but it's it's just to me. It's another piece of the puzzle that 312 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,079 you can pay even more legitimate attention to in future years. But as as 313 00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:37,000 for the order of the top three, my board was slightly different than yours, 314 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,079 where I did have Chet home Grind number one and then Pala Bean Caro 315 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:45,680 number two. I did have Jaden Ivy number three and then Jabari Smith Junior 316 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:48,519 number four, where Smith is the only one of those guys who I'm like 317 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:56,319 legitimately a little bit worried about because as as appealing as the pull up jumpers 318 00:21:56,319 --> 00:22:03,079 are and the defensive versatility is, I don't see the shot creation and the 319 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,319 ability to attack the rim. He doesn't draw fouls. He's shot forty three 320 00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:11,799 point five percent from inside the arc against a significantly lower caliber of athlete on 321 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:15,119 the defensive end in the SEC compared to the NBA, So I can see 322 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:21,640 some struggles for that offensive game to pan out where instead of looking like the 323 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,240 Kevin Durant comparison, he's going to be more like Al Harrington Marvin Williams kind 324 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,279 of thing on the lower end, and that's selling him too short. Like 325 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:33,960 that's the worst case scenario. I think that you know, if he does 326 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,880 bust for lack of a better term, we're still looking at a guy who 327 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,160 has a long, productive NBA career as an important contributor, just without hitting 328 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,920 that level of stardom. I just see more upside with Chet Holmgren and Paolo 329 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,440 Bancaro, whose offensive versatility I just absolutely adored during my own evaluation process. 330 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,960 So I liked how this order panned out, where I still would have gone 331 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,400 with Holmgren at number one for Orlando. But I still think the Magic made 332 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:10,960 the right move by avoiding the lowest possible outcome in favor of a safer pick, 333 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,319 because ultimately, like the Magic, do still have a lot of mystery 334 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:22,039 box potential on that team where if things are clicking, there's a lot to 335 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,160 like about that up and coming team. Yeah, that's a good point, 336 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,160 and they do need I still am a big believer in Jail and Suggs, 337 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,519 but they're they're still in talent acquisition mode. Like Franz Wartner is going to 338 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:36,720 pan out. That's great. Wendell Carter Junior was fantastic for them. Jonathan 339 00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:38,559 Isaac might be healthy this season. That's a big deal. I don't know 340 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,839 that you look at them and say, Okay, well there's our poll star 341 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:45,359 for the future, and so you need to take those swings there. What 342 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,880 did you make of I made jokes on Twitter. I actually, in theory 343 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,559 didn't have much of a problem with the King's taking Keegan Murray a four, 344 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,000 But just what did you make of? The reflective response is going to be 345 00:23:56,039 --> 00:24:00,200 they should have traded down and gotten value for that. You don't know if 346 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,279 they were too willing to give them anything. I think from my perspective, 347 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:10,759 what's tough for me to wrap my head around. They're like I would have 348 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:14,799 went with the higher upside there if you if if you think Key Murray is 349 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:18,720 gonna be better then jay n iivy that is fine. The Kings, though, 350 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,839 have not earned the benefit of the doubt on this subject. I respect 351 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,960 them for going the route that they wanted to, but they haven't they've earned 352 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:32,119 whatever doubt is coming their way. I still would have. This just feels 353 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,279 like a situation where they might have been catering too much to fit And it's 354 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,400 unless they really think that if Key Murray was the best player on their board, 355 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,960 that's gonna and he is a really good fit. By the way, 356 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,839 like those we could have been because he was almost a consensus top five prospect. 357 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:48,920 I do wonder how much Jay Nivy sort of stirring himself trying to steer 358 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,519 himself outside of Sacramento played a role. And I just I'm kind of done 359 00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:59,880 with Sacramento, like just bending to like the win that like at points like 360 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:02,599 Luca Donte stuff way back when we don't need to rehash that. But just 361 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,440 I this is either gonna be something where maybe this is the turning point because 362 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,079 oh the Kings didn't try and outthink themselves they want with who they believe the 363 00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:14,279 best player is, or they almost played it too safe and prioritize fit over 364 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,319 upside. I would have just taken Jade and Ivy and figured it out later 365 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,440 with the Aaron Fox and Sabonis. That that's what I would have done. 366 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,200 Honestly, I didn't have that much of a problem with it because to me, 367 00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:29,480 if you are looking to trade down and capitalize on the interest in Jade 368 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,920 and Ivy, you're most likely putting yourself out of position to get Kegan Murray, 369 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,119 who is a good fit with that Dear and Fox to Montes Sabonis core 370 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:44,400 that ultimately looked better than expected at the tail end of the twenty twenty two 371 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,359 season. I don't know how long the Kings are going to keep the window 372 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:53,359 open for that core, so I don't really mind them prioritizing a guy who 373 00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:56,920 you don't have to just bank on the talent and figure it out, and 374 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,359 if it doesn't work, we're hitting the reset button yet again on an experiment 375 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,920 that actually looked promising. So I think it makes sense from a beleaguered franchise's 376 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:14,960 perspective in that we finally have some positive momentum, Let's not take the bigger 377 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,279 swing and figure it out on the fly. Let's instead compound what we already 378 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:26,160 have going and make those continued strides that can amplify the growth of everyone else 379 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,839 on the roster, because I think that's essentially what Keegan Murray can do as 380 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,680 a versatile prospect who adds the shooting that that lineup needs, whereas Ivey, 381 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,559 you know what, if he is taking the ball away from Fox and Sabonis 382 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:41,839 a little too frequently and there are so many growing pains that you start to 383 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:48,039 doubt the feasibility of that core that once looked promising. So given the hierarchy 384 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,559 in this draft, where there seemed to be like some fairly steep drop offs 385 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:57,039 after that point. I would put mathorin in that same tier where I actually 386 00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:02,960 had him above Murray on my board, but beyond Tim, like beyond that 387 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:07,039 top six, you're looking at a lower caliber of prospect in this draft. 388 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,279 So if you're trading down for what exactly if you do think that you have 389 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:17,160 a good fit. So, I don't know the last time I like truly 390 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,720 defended the Sacramento Kings, and I don't think that they like really really maximized 391 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:26,759 the asset they had under their control. But I also totally get why they 392 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:33,160 went that direction, which I think I think either take is fair at this 393 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,440 point. My my my overarching stance was the Kings are gonna get dragged. 394 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,759 I'm not sure that they fully earned it, but they definitely deserve it because 395 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,039 they're the Kings. I also think the way that you look at this is 396 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,240 perfectly reasonable, and it's going to take a few years before we know that. 397 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,599 Being said, how about them Pistons leaving this draft like with Jawn durn 398 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,400 and Jade and Ivy, Oh my god, and you still have a crack. 399 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,960 You can still get to max room after waving or buying al Kemba Walker. 400 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,119 You can wave and stretch him if you really want. I'd rather just 401 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,359 give them where they're at in their development. I would just pay that entire 402 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,400 salary. It almost feels like a foregone conclusion that they're gonna make the big 403 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:18,680 offer sheet for Miles Bridges and probably get him. I actually like his fit 404 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:23,519 now thirty six hours ago. I mean a lineup, a lineup with him, 405 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:30,920 Sadiq bay Jalen Duran, Jaden Ivy and Kid Cunningham amazing. And you 406 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,920 still have other pieces in play on these rookie scale contracts, you know, 407 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,880 Killian Hayes and Isaiah Stewart. There there's a lot of a lot of intriguing 408 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,119 potential in Detroit right now. Yeah, they're gonna be if Miles Bridges is 409 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,200 on that team, They're gonna be a league past Darling. And this is 410 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:55,480 just like serious weaponry for Kade, someone who I trust, Jane and Ives. 411 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,400 I know the people that he's been compared to most like Derrick Rose, 412 00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:03,079 Russell Westbrook, even Job, which I don't know that I see as much 413 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:06,720 in him. Of Jab. I trust his off ball offense more than the 414 00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:08,240 first two guys. For sure, so you can work that route. But 415 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,400 to now give you another ball handler who's not killing Hayes for Kid Cunningham to 416 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,440 work off of, that's gonna go a long way. They have the tools 417 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:21,160 like between Kay Cunningham Sadique bay As, I guess Stewart is still there as 418 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,359 of now as far as we know. And then even like Jay and Ivy 419 00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:27,359 feels like a guy who if he puts his physic like uses his physical tools 420 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:32,559 on defense, that team can be incredibly disruptive. Now with Jalen Duran there 421 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,279 giving him a big, Kay Cunningham a big and Jayn Duran and even Jay 422 00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:40,119 and Ivy like that, I'm I'm so excited to watch this team. And 423 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,319 I know people were underwhelmed by the Jeremy Grant trade. The two things I 424 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:48,160 pointed out when we discussed when I discussed that with myself was if you're mad, 425 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,680 it's you have to be mad because you think they could have done better 426 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,319 at the trade deadline or last offseason. I have no doubt they could have 427 00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:57,039 gotten a ton last offseason. But we don't need these rebuilding teams to be 428 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,839 like body farms for tenders after one year. Like that's gonna Why would players 429 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:04,960 want to go with you, go sign with you, even if you're paying 430 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,599 them giving them more prominent role if you'll just turn around and flip them after 431 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,039 a year. And then also look what they ended up doing with that trade, 432 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,640 Like they create cap space, but then they also use that first round 433 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,400 pick to go out and get a lottery pick, like and alls it costs 434 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,279 you was a little bit of cap space and a first round or that again, 435 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,039 if it's twenty three, if it's that high twenty two, I would 436 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:29,240 be very surprised. I can't wait to watch them, and I think I 437 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:33,240 think they're the biggest winners of the draft. It's them or okay see, 438 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:36,720 by the way, because the fact that and shout out to the Carrigan for 439 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:41,640 mentioning this in the chat. Okay see, Like consolidating first is a big 440 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,519 deal. It was none of the elite. First, they didn't get a 441 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:47,960 star, but like they just decided that they want Ushman Jang on this team 442 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,039 that's already after getting Chet home Grim, they had a really interesting draft. 443 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:55,960 They could be like big and really feisty next. I think that's what's so 444 00:30:56,039 --> 00:31:00,160 fun about this okay se construction too is that they have so many players who 445 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,680 can fill so many different roles and become so many different things. I mean, 446 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,559 like, I'm not ready to give up on Alexei Pokashevski becoming something cool 447 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,640 in the NBA, and Chet Holmgren kind of fills the same kind of bucket 448 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:17,200 where you know, we don't know what he's going to be because he is 449 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,400 another guy in that unicorn mold where he could feel basically any roles. So 450 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:26,039 you add to that that all of a sudden, you still have a ridiculous 451 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:30,759 boatload of picks that you can use to go out and get a star player 452 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:36,319 of any type when they become available. So it feels like, okayc has 453 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:41,839 just maintained such an impressive level of malleability while still acquiring so much talent. 454 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,559 It's really hard not to just love the style of roster construction they've they've put 455 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:51,839 together. I'm I just that's gonna be another fascinating team for me, and 456 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:56,279 I was already more fascinated with them than the I think the average person at 457 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:00,480 this point. But I love chet Homegren there. I know you said he 458 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,160 was your number one pick. I think the Oka City was my favorite fit. 459 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,839 For him though, and not because Kendrick Perkins said that he's the love 460 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,319 child of Chris Stops and Janie. That was just like shout out to Molika 461 00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:14,400 Andrews, by the way for saving that broadcast. And I like how she 462 00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:19,000 was wildly entertaining, very insightful, ask good questions. I also thought like 463 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,759 she was saving Perk from himself because she would mentioned about these players, Okay, 464 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,920 he's wearing an Oklahoma City thunder hat or Knicks happened, He's not going 465 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,599 to the Knicks like just before Perkins would talk because there I think there was 466 00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:32,079 one occasion where he was talking about a player to fit on a team that 467 00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:37,200 had been traded. I don't remember the actual player, so shout out to 468 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,480 her, but those two teams stood out. Were there any other teams that 469 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:45,400 stood out to you throughout this entire process? Then I think after that we 470 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,960 definitely need to get in to the move that weren't made aka John Collins. 471 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,519 My two favorite picks of the draft were Mark Williams going to the Charlotte Hornets 472 00:32:55,559 --> 00:33:04,279 at number fifteen. I just I loved love that fit. Just a dominant 473 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:08,599 interior defender, really good in drop coverage. Maybe not too laterally quick, 474 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,279 but that might not matter given the ridiculous reach and size and athleticism that he 475 00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:17,640 has. Also with a bit of a blossoming offensive game, so I could 476 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,559 totally see him thriving as an open court and pick and roll threat alongside LaMelo 477 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,279 Ball. He totally transforms that team's defense. I see a little bit of 478 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,000 Rudy Goberton him whenever I watched him at Duke. I know that's a really 479 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:37,480 lofty comparison, but I absolutely loved him as a prospect. The other favorite 480 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,720 pick I had in the draft was Christian Coloco. Going to the Toronto Raptors 481 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:46,200 at number thirty three really fits the mold that we know Toronto loves, which 482 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:52,799 is the athleticism and the length. Just another guy who didn't start playing basketball 483 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:57,319 until I believe he was like twelve, didn't take it seriously until fifteen, 484 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:01,720 didn't stop playing soccer competitively in seventeen, so we're still seeing a lot of 485 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:07,240 late developing growth to his game, much in the vein of like Pascal Siakam, 486 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:12,840 and already during his last year at Arizona, you could see just how 487 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,199 good he could be on both ends of the floor. There's a developing jumper 488 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:22,599 that's really convincing. There's so many, many, many examples of great defensive 489 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,840 instincts and the ability to utilize that length. I just I feel like Toronto 490 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,000 keeps doing everything it can to make sure that you and I absolutely adore that 491 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,800 roster. I will say, I don't think they're obsession with maybe getting a 492 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,880 big like a trading for one. I don't necessarily understand, but I'm with 493 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,960 you overall there too. Colin asked with the Pistons drafting during who becomes a 494 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,719 favorite to sign Aton Spurs Atlanta, I want to make one thing clear. 495 00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:52,719 The Hawks should not be going after DeAndre Ayten. No, no, not 496 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,920 and John Collins still on the roster. This isn't a shot of Colin that 497 00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:01,360 this has been something that's the rounds Phoenix Sun. Twitter was mad at me 498 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,559 the other day because I said, if you have to trade John Collins for 499 00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,559 DeAndre and let's say was what they proposed, and then you're saying that they 500 00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:13,599 will turn around and then move one er Cappella at least or Okungu as a 501 00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,079 result, you're not better, Like even if you think DeAndre is the best 502 00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:20,400 player of those four, which he could be. I think there's probably debates 503 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,639 in there. You're not better, I would say I think the Spurs now 504 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,480 and one of the worst kept secrets in the league at this point. And 505 00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:29,920 you can just read between the lines and the way this has been reported. 506 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:35,719 DeAndre Eton really wants to go to the San Antonio Spurs, but now that 507 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,480 the Pistons are sort of off the table, I can't even think of like 508 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:40,840 a dark horse for him. If Charlotte wanted to get involved in some sign 509 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,039 and trade stuff, but they've already kind of played some of their their better 510 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,880 hands in that regard. That's another yea right, oh yeah, I forgot 511 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,280 about that. Also, speaking of teams that don't know how to run themselves, 512 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,119 I did Charlotte get enough compensation? I guess if you still ended up 513 00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:00,320 with Mark Williams, you're fine. But that was a really weird It was 514 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,440 weird. But I think the explanation from the organization that came out during draft 515 00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:09,440 night was that they just they're in wind now mode and in getting better mode, 516 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,400 and they weren't going to do that by adding two rookies. So I 517 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,559 think knowing that you were going to have access to Williams two picks later allowed 518 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:22,840 you to potentially take a package that was a little bit less appealing. I 519 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,960 want to shout out the bucks here and we'll see if they play him or 520 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,440 stick with him moving forward. I love mar Jeann Brochamp. Him and Dyson 521 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:32,840 Daniels were the players that I fell in love with and was much higher on. 522 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,239 Bryce McGowan was there too. I was actually shocked at how low he 523 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,360 fell. But mar Jehan Brochamp, I'm not the best person to ask about 524 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,239 this, but I look at the jumper, the form, and even the 525 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,119 I won't say it's fast, but the speed at which he's releasing him, 526 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,679 I think he's going to be fine. And so you give sort of the 527 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,440 rim pressure that he's going to provide you away from the ball, a couple 528 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,519 of how you can move them around defensively. It feels like they were taking 529 00:36:55,519 --> 00:37:02,360 a swing because I feel like his ninetieth percentile above outcome is way more idealistic 530 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,559 than people were giving credit. I don't think he could be a superstar, 531 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,639 whereas I could see Dyson Daniels being like, I just feel like he could 532 00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:14,840 end up being an all star. Like into that discussion. I love that 533 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,679 pick for the Bucks. I wanted to see the Nuggets where they made the 534 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,840 Jamchael Green trade. I thought he was a great fit there, But I 535 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,639 think the Bucks are also kind of sneaky winners here. Did you have any 536 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:27,719 thoughts really quickly about oh and the other winner? Shout out to the Sixers. 537 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,039 You cut your payroll while getting better, So I'm not we don't need 538 00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:36,719 to celebrate them, but you also can because when it's when you're cutting money 539 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,360 to actually open up more money. And what they're trying to do for anyone 540 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,480 who wants to know or doesn't necessarily understand, they want to access the non 541 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,800 taxpayers Midlevel Exception in addition to the biannual exception while keeping James Harden. This 542 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,880 move alone doesn't allow them to do that, but they've cut their payroll, 543 00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:55,760 making it a little bit easier for them to access at least the non tax 544 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,280 payers midlevel exception. You got rid of Danny Green, who I still think 545 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,440 he's just like unfairly criticized the Ton, but he tore his left ACL and 546 00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,960 LCL last year. He wasn't going to play for you this season in all 547 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,559 likelihood, and he is older for Deanthe Melton, who gives you like a 548 00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:15,639 point of attack defender who can also guard up and he's turned into a three 549 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:20,039 indeed guard essentially, which you don't see much of in the NBA. The 550 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,960 past two years. He's hit his threes and he's working a ton off the 551 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,039 ball for the most part. I don't you don't want him running your offense, 552 00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:30,119 but now you're just not depending at all on Shake Milton essentially. So 553 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:37,320 having Melton, Maxi Harden and B Tobias Harris there like you, there's a 554 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,880 nice base in Philly. And again, I think this acts and service of 555 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,559 them. They didn't even have to get rid of Flyball, although I just 556 00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:46,519 I'm kind of out on him at this point, someone who has not improved 557 00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:51,320 at all since he came into the league. But I really liked that move 558 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,239 for them, and I really like Melton. Then the other thing, too 559 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,639 is I don't like looking at it in these terms. It's a very team 560 00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:59,760 friendly deal. Eight point three million next season and then only one point five 561 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:04,000 and guaranteed the following season on an eight million dollars salary. That becomes if 562 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,920 you need. They lacked middle run contracts to go out and make trades with 563 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,639 now at least you have a useful player who actually play, whereas Danny Green 564 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,079 probably wasn't going to play this season if you need to make other deals in 565 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:19,440 the middle of the year. So I really liked what the Sixers did there 566 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,679 your thoughts on that, and also what you like Memphis was just sneaky kind 567 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:27,079 of smart. Again too, there was the initial thought was oh, twenty 568 00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:30,599 nine and twenty two for nineteen, but then they end up getting number twenty 569 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:36,159 three from Philly anyway, and it's like given one that you ended up with 570 00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:39,440 thy Thy Washington. I liked that swing. It's insurance against Tyas Jones leaving 571 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:44,320 in free agency. I don't want to say that dfthy Melton was redundant, 572 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,079 but he is still a defense first player and you have enough of those on 573 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:52,480 your roster and Kyle Anderson, Dylan Brooks, etc. I also liked the 574 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:58,039 Philadelphia move. I think Melton fits really nicely with that roster, and it 575 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,639 was a good use of money, as you mentioned, unlike the Atlanta Hawks, 576 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,000 where I just I think it's so unforgivable to ever sell a second round 577 00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:13,360 pick in today's NBA, and like granted they sold it to also you get 578 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,639 a later second round pick. But just take the dart throw, even if 579 00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:22,800 it doesn't hit like that is your chance of securing a guy for a long 580 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:28,360 time who as upside, who you can develop in the G League, who 581 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,559 you can develop on a two way contract, and you are depriving yourself of 582 00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:38,280 a chance to be competitive. That said, I liked what Atlanta did overall 583 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,800 in the night for two reasons. One A j Griffin. You know, 584 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:50,320 getting him at sixteen is a coup. It's it's at least partially driven by 585 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:57,360 the concerns over his knees. But if he is healthy, the defensive versatility 586 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,239 that he brings in the three point shooting in a lineup with Trey is phenomenal. 587 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,679 That was a dream get for the Hawks, who I would bet going 588 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,760 into the draft they might have imagined they would have to trade up to get. 589 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:09,960 And speaking of trades in the Hawks, I think they're also winners for 590 00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:15,559 not caving and trading John Collins. I've liked the de Gante Murray package as 591 00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:20,920 long as there's not too many first round picks going to San Antonio in such 592 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,159 a deal, just because he is such an ideal fit alongside Tray. But 593 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:30,559 other than that, I do not get this seeming insistence to move Collins, 594 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:36,000 who is actually a good fit on this roster. It just it doesn't make 595 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:39,159 any sense. So I'm glad. Whether it was because Atlanta came to its 596 00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:45,079 senses and decided not to trade a fringe all star for a diminished package, 597 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:47,719 or because it just couldn't find a package that actually piqued its interest. Regardless, 598 00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,159 John Collins, unexpectedly is still han the Hawks roster coming out of the 599 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:55,840 twenty twenty two NBA Draft, and to me, that makes the Hawks winners. 600 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,800 Here really quickly shaming you for not correct me. The Grizzlies, I 601 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,400 lost tracked to not get ty Ty Washington. They traded that pick, I 602 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,199 said, I still am trying to figure out who's on whose team. So 603 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,159 they had and we had the question asking how many rookies they ended up with. 604 00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:15,519 So they have Jake la Ravia, and they have David Roddy and who 605 00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:19,719 else did they end up with? I don't even see Kennedy Chandler. I 606 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,119 thought that was a very interesting pick by them when I saw that come out 607 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:24,400 whilst I was writing. I think they ended up with three rookies unless they've 608 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,239 signed any Two ways or something, and to the question of why did they 609 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,039 end up with so many rookies. This is just a team that I think 610 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:35,360 if everyone wanted them to make a consolidation trade, they were going to do 611 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,760 the exact opposite. They're very invested in draft and development, and I do 612 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,239 believe that they seem concerned with, well, how are we going to keep 613 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,760 this cord together? Jaren Jackson Junior has been paid, will they extend Steven 614 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,880 Adams? Andersis in pree agency, Tis Jones is in free agency, and 615 00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:52,840 John Morant is gonna his new deal is gonna kick in within a couple of 616 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:59,760 years. So yeah, I liked what I like. Memphis's confidence in itself 617 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,400 is basically what I'm saying there, and I give no reason to not be 618 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,800 confident in themselves. At this point, I will say to the Hawks thing, 619 00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:10,039 I'm with everything you said. I think John Collins has become one of 620 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:13,679 the most underrated players in the NBA at this point. We can talk about 621 00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:16,280 his limitations, but how about how he's actually managed to be a really high 622 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:22,519 impact offensive player while not out of having the freedom that he out of curiosity. 623 00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:27,519 What are those limitations because he's not he's not like a game changing rim 624 00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:31,400 protector. We've seen a lot of defensive improvement from him over his time in 625 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:37,480 Atlanta. Where he has enough ability to maintain position on the perimeter, he 626 00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:43,079 can be an impactful help defender. Again, like not a game changing all 627 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:46,880 defensive caliber stopper by any stretch of the imagination, but like not really a 628 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,440 glaring weakness for him anymore. Right, And he's as Collins says, the 629 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,360 Grizzlies had four rookies. I mean, we'll see how many of these guys 630 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,159 end up on the second round pick specifically end up up. Maybe they'll end 631 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,440 up on two ways. I know there was an anticipation and a lot of 632 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,360 second rounders will be on two ways this year. Yeah. I the people 633 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,519 per or YouTube commenters and then mad people that were angry with me on Twitter, 634 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,880 like his floor game actually isn't all that good, And I actually think 635 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,719 it's better than people realize, in part because he's not empowered to break it 636 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,360 out enough and someone who has some directionality when he's gonna put the ball on 637 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,599 the floor at his size. No, I don't want him posting up if 638 00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:28,159 that's what you're looking for from him. I'm just this is someone who has 639 00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:31,559 adapted really well over the past two seasons where they took away stripped him of 640 00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:36,320 primary screen or duty essentially, like, yeah, he's still going to set 641 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,800 a ton of screens, but when you're playing with Capella, like you're no 642 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,480 longer the primary room runner. I think he's been sneaking for them on the 643 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,760 offensive glass at points as well. And you mentioned there's defensive improvement. His 644 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,400 biggest issue might be that he's a one position defender and it has to be 645 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,639 against a certain archetype of player. But I would also argue if you put 646 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,880 him on a team that has more defensive talent in front of him, that 647 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,639 you can probably steal more minutes with him at the five. Ultimately, no 648 00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:05,920 one in this Atlanta system is going to look that good on defense right now 649 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,400 because the infrastructure is just not in place. I loved that they were linked 650 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,440 to and I didn't get a chance to talk about this, and it's a 651 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,079 move that wasn't made the John Day Murray rumors that the Spurs were entertaining offers 652 00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:20,639 on him, and so the first time I've heard a package where I can 653 00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,239 get behind it with Collins on the way out, that's the type that like, 654 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,000 you need that player who even if some people think John Collins is better 655 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,519 in a vacuum, and I don't think most people would, shouldn't you're making 656 00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:34,320 your team better, And that's what I said. I wasn't sure how the 657 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,480 Hawks get better by moving Collins because that player where you're who's worth attaching other 658 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:42,159 assets to Collins needs to be out there. And as it stands right now, 659 00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:45,159 I think you can make the case for Rudy Gobert is and this is 660 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:49,199 based off the reporting on who we think is available. Rudy Gobert and there's 661 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,519 Murray and then it's like the John Collins for Harrison Barnes stuff. I thought 662 00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:57,159 it was weird for both teams. I somehow think that the Hawks might be 663 00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,960 better in the short term or at least have like better fitting. But Barnes 664 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,800 isn't a lockdown defender at this point and he very much needs to defend for 665 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,599 as I think for the most part too. And then I do not like 666 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,679 the idea of Collins and Domas in the same front court, and especially with 667 00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:15,679 the lack of defensive talent around them. So but like right now, the 668 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,440 star trade market even and if you think Kevin Durant, Kyrie's available. Like 669 00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:22,960 neither of those guys are going to Atlanta, although that'd be interesting is see 670 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,880 Kevin Durant in Atlanta if he did want to go there. That player needs 671 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,320 to be out there. And I think it's good that the Hawks didn't move 672 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,280 Collins. But my I guess this is the final question you need to touch 673 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,639 on. Is John Collins a member of the Atlanta Hawks to start next season? 674 00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,119 Though at this point I think so. I just don't think the trade 675 00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:44,599 market has materialized in a way that is going to compel them to move him 676 00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:49,920 when they don't have to, and we're seeing it where consistently these players are 677 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,960 drawing lesser packages than anticipated. I don't think we would have predicted Jeremy Grant 678 00:46:55,039 --> 00:47:00,239 goes for what he got back for Detroit going into the off season. It 679 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,920 just it doesn't seem like the market is there right then, right now, 680 00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:08,599 so I would say that he does stay. I probably less optimistic than you. 681 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:15,039 But by the way, oh my actual finals draft, Fuck the Knicks 682 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:20,199 over the Knicks. I kind of really ridiculously liked the Spurs draft, at 683 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,119 least definitely their first two picks, and more specifically their second pick. Like, 684 00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:28,639 I think that that was the way that Malachi Brandam was rising up draft 685 00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:31,199 boards. Our friend of the podcast coach spins, not a believer in him, 686 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,800 but if you can just sort of roll the dice on someone who might 687 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,480 turn into this every level shot creator at twenty, why the hell not like 688 00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:43,719 you had like first, you had another selection even after that. And also 689 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,360 Jeremy Swan's hair loved it. It's amazing. I hope he fully leans into 690 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:52,719 it and just goes full Dennis Rodman once he's actually in the NBA. I 691 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,519 actually really liked their their later picks even more. Blake Wesley and Kennedy Chandler 692 00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:00,800 I think are really good backcourt depth down the road. I love Kennedy Chandler's 693 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,320 game, the athleticism that the quick hands, the defensive instincts, the shooting 694 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:12,760 ability. I thought that he was ali though they did flip Kennedy Chandler to 695 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,639 the Grizzlies, did they. That's what's showing up on my big open, 696 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,880 Like I said, who plays for who? Right now? The second rounrow 697 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,719 is learning all of that. Yeah, It's it's so tough when when prospects 698 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:30,719 are flying all over the place, well, I rescind everything about Kennedy Chandler, 699 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,400 but I maintained that I like I like Blake Wesley as a fit there, 700 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,559 unless he's no longer on the Spurs either, because who really knows. 701 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,360 I mean, technically, you know, there's no rookie scale for the second 702 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,280 rounders, who maybe maybe he's not. But I am seeing that it looks 703 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,840 like they kept him. So you're free to sort of wax poetic about him 704 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,000 if you, if you like I no longer have the confidence to do so. 705 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,880 Wait, you said Blake Wesley. I'm sorry he was twenty five. 706 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,679 He is. He's still on the Spurs too. I know nothing about Blake 707 00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,599 Wesley, but this was fun FRO. We'll be talking to you again soon. 708 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,079 If you guys enjoyed this, please rate, review, and subscribe to 709 00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:08,000 this podcast on YouTube and also wherever you get your podcasts. Shout us out, 710 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,800 tell people about us if you enjoyed us, or even if you hate 711 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,039 us. To help us grow the community and follow us on the socials, 712 00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:19,679 the links to which are in our YouTube and podcast description. And until next 713 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,760 time, Slash. As always, we leave with a shout out to the 714 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:30,119 One, the Only, Adam the legendary frammel Oh. I don't accept that. 715 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,079 I don't accept that because Dan has done so much for this podcast and 716 00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:38,440 put so many, so much time, so much effort into making this a 717 00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:45,119 thing and bring on fantastic lineups of guests and putting together creative concepts, and 718 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,639 pushing the platform forward on new places like TikTok, and building a YouTube presence 719 00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:52,559 and the Discord channel that he is active in even when I can't be. 720 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,719 So if anyone deserves a shout out, it's him. But I also refuse 721 00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,519 to accept a non traditional shout out on what's going to be my final episode 722 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:02,320 as a as a co host, So I need to rewind and do it 723 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,639 the right way this time so we can all agree. Shout out to the 724 00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:14,079 one, the only, frank, motherfucking conference finalist, Neil Guina. There it is