WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:34.200 Welcome back to the path Wind Chili for part two of our coverage on the 2 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:37.880 murder of Sue Trascowitz. Robin, do you want to catch us up on 3 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:41.719 what we were talking about last week? Well, Sue Trascowitz was twenty seven 4 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:47.320 years old and was employed Logan International Airport for Northwest Airlines as a baggage handler, 5 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:51.320 and she was pretty much a trailblazer in her mail dominated industry because she 6 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:55.520 was the first woman to every promoted to her current position of ramp supervisor. 7 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:59.439 One night, she was working the grave yard shift and told the employees that 8 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:02.560 she was going out to buy sandwiches for all of them, but for some 9 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:06.239 reason, she never came back, and the employees did not contact the police 10 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:10.319 and actually punched her time card for in order to cover for and she was 11 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:12.959 a missing person for the next thirty six hours. But then they found her 12 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:17.480 stabbed to death inside the trunk of her own car, which was parked outside 13 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:21.760 an auto shop located away from the airport. They had no leads on the 14 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:25.120 case for over a year, but then Sue's mother, Marlene, looked inside 15 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:29.439 her daughter's diary and discovered that she had written a whole bunch of entries about 16 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:33.840 dealing with sexual harassment in the workplace for years by a bunch of mail co 17 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:37.439 workers who did not like the idea of having a woman in such a prominent 18 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:41.719 position, And even though Sue complained to her union and to the higher ups, 19 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:45.840 they never did anything about it, and she wound up receiving death threats 20 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:49.280 and they figured that there was a connection between this and her murder. But 21 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.359 as the years went on, they uncovered another potential motive for Sue's murder, 22 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:57.400 as it turned out that a credit card theft ring had been going on at 23 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.959 the airport during that time period, and that some of the baggage handlers who 24 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:06.439 worked under Sue were involved and wound up getting arrested and doing prison time. 25 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:10.080 One of them was a man named Joseph Nuzo, who had been harassing Sue 26 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:14.680 for years and was the ring leader behind this credit card scam, and the 27 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:17.120 other was a guy named Bobby Brooks, who she had had a brief affair 28 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:23.960 with but became increasingly hostile towards Sue when their relationship didn't go anywhere. And 29 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:27.919 even though it was determined that Sue had no knowledge or involvement in this credit 30 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:31.240 card ring, it seemed that Joseph Nuzo believed that she did and may have 31 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:35.240 snitched her out to the authorities. So this has been looked at as a 32 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:38.840 potential motive for her murder, but they've never been able to uncover any conclusive 33 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:44.919 evidence of who actually killed Sue, so the case remains unsolved over thirty years 34 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:49.800 later. So this is a pretty horrible story about a good person who did 35 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:53.199 not deserve all the horrible things which happened to her. Out of all the 36 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:57.120 victims we featured on the Path when Chili, Sue to Asqwitz is definitely one 37 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:00.159 of the strongest and most admirable. This is a woman who decided to enter 38 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:05.479 an industry where females were not welcome and had to suffer through years of brutal 39 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.919 harassment. But in spite of this, she persevered and still managed to climb 40 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:13.719 the ladder and get promoted to a position which no woman had ever held in 41 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:16.439 the history of that company. I think that says a lot about the quality 42 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:21.240 of Sue's work, considering how many people there were looking to undermine her at 43 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:25.000 every opportunity. When she was wrongfully passed over for the promotion, Sue decided 44 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:29.240 to file a grievance in order to obtain it, even though she must have 45 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:32.479 known there would be a tremendous backlash to this, and after everything Sue went 46 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:36.560 through, no one would have blamed her if she decided to quit, but 47 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:39.439 she held her ground because she believed that walking away would only make things more 48 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:44.439 difficult for other women who doubt with the same trauma. I think that says 49 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:49.199 an awful lot about her character. Oh, it speaks volumes. It's also 50 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:55.199 incredibly crazy because that type of discipline, that type of willingness to fight for 51 00:03:55.319 --> 00:04:00.199 her career, for fellow women, and her play of employment, like she 52 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.800 had a lot of respect for what she was doing and expected everyone around her 53 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:09.080 to work equally as hard and held them accountable for their behaviors. And so 54 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:13.400 I think that painted a massive target on her back. But for anyone who 55 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:17.879 cared about Sue, that discipline, that character that she presented with on a 56 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:23.920 daily basis, wouldn't that be the reason why when she goes for a food 57 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:29.439 run two hours into her shift for her crew and never comes back. Wouldn't 58 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:33.240 that be enough for people to go what happened? And instead they quietly clogged 59 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:38.079 her out six hours later, went about their business, and it would be 60 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:42.600 thirty six hours until somebody said, what happened to Sue? Oh wait, 61 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:46.079 we found her body? Right? Like? What in the heck was going 62 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:49.720 through these people's heads. It's very hard to think that that entire crew was 63 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:55.480 involved with this. It just doesn't seem plausible. But not a single soul 64 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.480 said, hey, let's say we clock her out and we save her. 65 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:01.079 We're in because this is out of her character. I don't want her to 66 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:05.160 get in trouble. Wouldn't You would follow up, You'd call her family, 67 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:09.160 you would go to her house, you would call some coworkers and be like, 68 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:13.399 hey man, anybody heard from Sue. It seems like no one cared 69 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:16.240 enough about her, so why would they cover for her? Just said a 70 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:18.920 weird thing, like I think these people, probably, even if they weren't 71 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:23.120 directly involved in the murder, may have had a good idea what happened to 72 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.439 her and knew that something was going down, and they probably feared that if 73 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:30.480 we interfere with this or contact the police, there's going to be retaliation against 74 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:32.959 us. Or maybe they were just all lousy people who just did not care 75 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.759 about her and were just going about their business and had no concern for a 76 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:42.199 well being, and who knows, it could have been like new Zo or 77 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.360 Brooks or something spoke up and was like, don't worry, like I'll take 78 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:48.319 care of it. I'll talk about it with supervisors or whatever to the people 79 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:54.040 that maybe weren't directly involved or didn't have direct knowledge. But it still does 80 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:59.360 seem confounding that nobody would follow up after all that time, when we know 81 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:02.920 that she's ever missed a shift. It's just mind blowing the fact that so 82 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:09.360 much time went by before authorities were notified and that the family were like when 83 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:12.480 they called police, oh yeah, we found her body. Cool? Did 84 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:16.360 anybody try to contact us? Right? Was that your next port of call? 85 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:19.839 Were you going to do that? Ever? And the other thing that 86 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:23.720 you got to think about too, It's like, it's one of two things 87 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.639 that could have happened with our coworkers. It's this idea that you know, 88 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:30.519 maybe everyone thought someone else was gonna speak up. Everyone thought someone else was 89 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.560 going to do the follow up. That's possible because it's easier to put responsibility 90 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:39.439 on other people are assume something's going to be handled, But it also could 91 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:43.800 be this idea of like I've seen this and I've lived this, where people 92 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:47.879 who you put your neck out for, people that really you think would be 93 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:51.680 standing next to you on the front lines, are the ones who turned their 94 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:56.040 back the quickest because they're trying to protect their own career, they're trying to 95 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:59.920 protect their own reputation, they're trying to protect the target on their own back. 96 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:04.160 And so it's sad because, like it's impossible to know what was going 97 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:09.319 on inside the department, but we know that Sue was enduring so much. 98 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:13.560 She had not only been sexually harassed, but now she was being physically threatened. 99 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.519 And then Robin, you started to tell us about this credit card scheme 100 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:23.079 that went down, and that's adds another layer where everyone thought she was a 101 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:28.480 snitch. So there's so many directions you could almost go with this that it 102 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:33.000 becomes very complicated. But there's so many directions in this tiny social group, 103 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:36.959 this tiny employment group. How are we talking about an unsolved murder here? 104 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:43.639 It's it's very complex. This was just a coincidence, but Robin's original Trailink 105 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:47.439 cold episode came out over a month before the hashtag me too movement started, 106 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:54.279 in which many people publicized their own personal experiences with sexual abuse and sexual harassment. 107 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:59.000 That movement is certainly relevant to Sue's case, and unfortunately, back in 108 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:03.600 the late nineteen eighties in early nineteen nineties, the misogynistic culture at Northwest Airlines 109 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:11.000 was so toxic that Sue really didn't have many options. Unfortunately, Northwest dropped 110 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.560 the ball in a huge way when it came to dealing with this whole situation. 111 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.240 We mentioned in our last episode that one of Sue's worst tormentors was a 112 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:24.800 baggage handler named Joseph Nuzo, whom Sue filed the complaint against even though he 113 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.920 was initially fired. What does it say about Northwest that they would allow him 114 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:33.919 to come back six months later under the so called last chance policy and he 115 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.679 wound up masterminding a credit card ring right under their noses. Things never should 116 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:41.519 have gotten to this point. No, definitely not. I mean this idea 117 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:48.000 that you can continuously cause a problem, right, you can harass somebody, 118 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:54.279 you can physically fight somebody, you can call people derogatory terms, and guess 119 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.840 what, you can also run a federal credit card ring and we're just going 120 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:03.440 to keep giving you you that that last chance the last chance policy. No, 121 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:05.600 baby, when you mess up, you know, one, two, 122 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:11.120 three strikes, you're out. What is last chanceman Like people become too much 123 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.799 of a liability for the safety of others at some point. And that's the 124 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:16.840 thing with Sue is that she was in the opposite position where she felt she 125 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:22.240 had to be walking on eggshells her entire tenure there because she had this mentality, 126 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:24.120 if I make one mistake, there are people who hate me here so 127 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.679 much that they will use it as an excuse to get rid of me. 128 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:31.120 So that's why she always had to do like a perfect job, never miss 129 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:35.759 shifts, never make any serious errors, because she knew that people just wandered 130 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.360 her out of there so badly, whereas someone like Joseph Nuzo could screw up 131 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.320 so many times and get a last chance policy because he was a male. 132 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.720 I think the most unsettling thing about this murder is that it seems like there 133 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.840 are quite a few people who knew the full truth about what happened, but 134 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.879 if states silent. When Marlene Tarascoitz was interviewed during the Unsawved Mystery segment back 135 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.519 in nineteen ninety five, she said, quote, it's been three years now 136 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:03.360 and i'll we need is for someone to come forward. So it's awfully said 137 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:07.360 that during the last several years, Marley has appeared in numerous YouTube videos in 138 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:11.480 order to issue public please for information, and it's pretty much kept stating the 139 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:15.320 exact same thing, except that instead of saying it's been three years, the 140 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.679 number keeps increasing to twenty five years and now thirty years. Oh, it's 141 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.919 pitiful. You have this poor mom who's sitting there saying, I'm going to 142 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.519 continue to fight. I'm a fighter, Sue. As a fighter, we're 143 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:31.279 going to continue to fight. You would think after thirty one years now at 144 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:37.879 this point that whatever obligation you felt, whatever career you felt you were defending, 145 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.000 whatever person you thought you were protecting, is it really worth it. 146 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:45.279 Like a lot of these people would be aging out of their careers, they'd 147 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:48.000 be retired, they'd be living their life, and they probably don't have the 148 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.679 same connections to some odd coworker that they worked with, like no one has 149 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:58.279 any information thirty one years later. Maybe they're worried about their own complicity in 150 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:03.240 the crime and perhaps how it would make them look to come forward, or 151 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.600 if there could be some type of charges it could be levied against them for 152 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.039 coming forward. I mean, there could be a multitude of reasons, but 153 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:16.759 you would think that if somebody wasn't directly involved, that their guilt would get 154 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:22.159 the best of them, especially knowing how tirelessly the Tuascoit's family, Marlene in 155 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.600 particular, has been really pushing to find out what happened to her daughter. 156 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:30.519 But just nobody coming forward is kind of shicking because it feels like multiple people 157 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.759 know what happened here. Well, you know how you could avoid getting in 158 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:37.440 trouble on this case. You go and you create a federal you commit a 159 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.919 federal crime, you turn on your co collaborator, and you make a plea 160 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.639 deal that says, oh, yeah, all the people I murdered and helped 161 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:50.440 murder, if you could just knock those off and not charge me with those 162 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.440 or ask me any more questions because it hurts my feelings, that'd be fantastic. 163 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.000 And then this prosecutor would be like, that sounds great, let me 164 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.639 go ahead and excuse you or any questioning for future murderers, right. That's 165 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.279 I mean, that's what they did in this case. Bobby had contact with 166 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:13.399 new Zo the night or the month before Sue's murdered. The night that she's 167 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:16.600 murdered, he's talking to new Zo. He lies about where he was, 168 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:20.320 he lies about his phone records, and then when he gets caught up in 169 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.120 that credit card ring, he makes a plea deal that says, hey, 170 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.840 i'll talk to you and i'll turn on new Zo, but don't ever ask 171 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.759 me any more questions about this murder. Okay, But no, he'd already 172 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.960 done the plea deal prior to that. This was thrown in after the fact 173 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:43.440 when he violated his parole from that original plea What yes, why they didn't 174 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.159 have They didn't have to do it. That's why it's so confusing. No, 175 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:50.120 you said this is the most rage inducing. Now I'm really mad. 176 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.240 Now I'm going on. What it wasn't even the original plea deal to get 177 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.840 information? No, No, it wasn't like they only got it for the 178 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.039 credit card ring. And then a couple of years later he was caught lying 179 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.840 and he got it. He didn't even need to get a plea deal. 180 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.159 They had him dead to rights, yet he still got this deal where he 181 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:15.679 didn't have to be questioned about Sue's murder. Un freaking believable. Okay, 182 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:18.799 I just imagine you're someone else who has information about this case, and you 183 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:20.600 hear about that that he gets to like this free ride where he doesn't have 184 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:24.360 to talk about the crime. You're going to be more reluctant to come forward 185 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.600 knowing that the that the cops are pretty much giving like a free pass to 186 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.960 someone who may have direct knowledge and complicity in the murder. WHOA, what 187 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:35.480 would happen? What would happen if someone came forward with evidence against him? 188 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:39.879 I'm assuming at that point that plea deal's off the table because now I have 189 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:45.879 physical evidence or eyewitness evidence or something that you were involved. Oh, bring 190 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.399 charges against him, but they can't ask him any questions. Yeah, maybe 191 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.480 that's it. Yes, where it's like they can charge him, they just 192 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:54.679 can't question them. So yeah, I think if there was evidence which implicated 193 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:56.120 them, they could charge him, but they just can't ask him anything. 194 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:00.240 But oh, my lord, will that all makes perfect sense? Okay? 195 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:05.399 Keep going. Quite simply, the wall of silence surrounding Sue's murder is pretty 196 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:09.159 disturbing, given that she was killed while going on a food run in the 197 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:13.919 middle of the night. I guess it's not completely impossible that after leaving the 198 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.720 airport. She could have crossed paths with a random stranger who killed her, 199 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:22.440 and her death had nothing to do with anything going on at her workplace. 200 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.919 But given the circumstances, I find that highly doubtful. It's quite unsettling that 201 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.519 Sue could disappear while in the midst of working a shift, get nobody made 202 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.960 any attempt to report her missing for thirty six hours. It would be one 203 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.240 thing if Sue told her co workers that she was leaving for a while to 204 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:43.559 take care of some personal business and then didn't return, but she was going 205 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:48.320 up to buy sandwiches and took orders from everyone. Did none of them find 206 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.320 it suspicious that Sue did not return with their food? Like? Were they 207 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:54.600 not hungry? Like I'm hungry. I waited six hours, and then I 208 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:56.000 clocked her out because you didn't show back up with my food. I'd be 209 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:01.480 so mad I wouldn't help you at that point. It's weird because, like 210 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:05.759 you said, there's such a different circumstance. If Sue quietly slipped out, 211 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.559 no one noticed she was gone. She's a supervisor. She ran off to 212 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.200 me with her boyfriend. She ran off to go do something else, right, 213 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.720 and she just wasn't there when you clocked out. This is someone going, 214 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.639 hi, everyone, Sue here, I'm going to run that favorite sandwich 215 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.639 shop. Everybody has right down your order. I'll be back shortly. And 216 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.399 she leaves announcing that not only is she going somewhere and we'll be back, 217 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:33.600 but she's bringing things back that people are waiting for. So how did you 218 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.440 sit there for six hours and wonder where this twenty seven year old kid was? 219 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:41.879 You know, you know there's grown fifty year old people sitting there waiting 220 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:46.159 for their sandwich. No one wondered where she was. The highlight of their 221 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:50.240 day is probably their meatball, hogi or whatever they're getting. And so the 222 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:54.399 idea that they're having to go without food for a meal, they would all 223 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.919 be talking about Sue and where she was if they didn't already know what was 224 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:03.799 happening. So the idea that nobody pushed this further because you could imagine that 225 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:08.080 they would be irritated too if they didn't know that student been murdered or that 226 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:11.600 like harm had befallen her. They'd be like, oh that you know, 227 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.919 b word, she hasn't brought our food back. I'm starving. She promised 228 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.480 this to us, you know, it would be like a huge topic of 229 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:25.480 conversation. So the fact that the higher ups weren't made aware of this and 230 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:30.159 that somebody then after she's decided not to feed you, she hasn't returned with 231 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:33.679 your food, but you're then going to try to cover for her by punching 232 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:37.000 her time card right when everyone has a problem with her anyway. Yeah, 233 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:40.639 all right, guys. And not only did Sue's co workers downplay the fact 234 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:44.120 that she failed to return with her food orders, but they also responded by 235 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:47.480 punching her time card in her absence to make it look like she worked the 236 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:49.200 rest of her shift, And when she failed to show up for her next 237 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:52.519 shift, they did the exact same thing. I know. They claimed this 238 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:56.480 was done to cover for Sue so she wouldn't get into trouble, but I 239 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.480 don't buy this at all. By all accounts, this was very uncare hecteristic 240 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.960 behavior for her, and she had never slacked off from work like that before, 241 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:07.519 so the whole situation should erased some red flags immediately. In addition, 242 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:11.359 Sue had been scheduled to attend a baby shower with some co workers that took 243 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:15.799 place between her two shifts on September the thirteenth, but even though Sue never 244 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:19.279 showed up for that, no one made any attempt to report her missing. 245 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:22.440 Oh my gosh, I mean this is the second time. I'm like, 246 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:26.880 hi, Sue here, going to get our sandwiches and oh yeah, remember 247 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.200 hey it's Sue. I'm going to be at the baby shower later and then 248 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.920 I gotta go back to work. No one is looking around saying, hey, 249 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.000 guys, anyone seeing Sue. Hey, you know, Sue wasn't at 250 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:40.400 work last night either. She didn't come back. Oh yeah, she's also 251 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:42.359 not at this baby shower with us. Like it just keeps getting to this 252 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:47.759 point and again, remember mom shows up at the police station to eventually report 253 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:48.000 her missing, and they're like, oh, yeah, I know, we 254 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:52.599 found her body. It's like, wait, what where's the communication here? 255 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:59.279 Where is anyone really prioritizing the fact that poor Sue's missing? And then Sue's 256 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:06.400 discovered Like this almost seems like a really bad beaut level film. It seems 257 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:10.519 like no one raised any concern at all until one of Sue's coworkers called her 258 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:14.759 sister, Debbie on the morning of September fourteenth, but by that point, 259 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:18.279 Sue had been missing for thirty six hours, and it doesn't look like any 260 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.480 of the co workers wanted to take the initiative to contact the police themselves, 261 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:27.680 which is why they contacted her family instead. Sue did have some supporters at 262 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:33.119 Northwest, and not all of the employees there hated her, But the problem 263 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:37.640 is that the employees who did hate her really hated her. Given all the 264 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:41.559 hostility which was caused by Sue's promotion to ramp supervisor and the amount of men 265 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.400 who were just appalled by the idea of having to take orders from a woman, 266 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:49.799 I'm sure some of them would have jumped on any opportunity to report her 267 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:55.319 insubordination to management. So if Sue just left in the middle of a shift 268 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:59.440 and didn't come back, and then proceeded to no show her next shift without 269 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:03.079 explanation, there's no way anyone would have attempted to cover for her by punishing 270 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:07.920 her time card, or at least one of them would have taken that opportunity 271 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:10.079 to be like, oh, yeah, let's cover for her. Hey, 272 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:12.559 boss, By the way, that Sue the you promoted over me, Oh 273 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:17.359 that Sue that demands us around the sioux that makes all these false claims against 274 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.920 us and harasses us and mistreats us. She didn't come back to work tonight. 275 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.240 Like I just feel like one of them would have said, hey, 276 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.720 let me, I'm gonna rat her out. Everyone covered for her. Everyone 277 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:33.559 just went along with the fact that she didn't show up. No one was 278 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:36.519 concerned that she wasn't in the baby shower. I mean, like you said, 279 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:37.920 Jules, I think not even just to help her. I think someone 280 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:44.480 would want to actively hurt her because Sue doesn't hesitate to go to authorities to 281 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:48.240 say, hey, we have a problem, So why wouldn't they take this 282 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.519 one chance to say, this is our chance to make a report against Sue. 283 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:56.440 Ha. No one did. Yes, it definitely sounds like there was 284 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.880 a calculated cover up amongst Sue's co workers to explain raps. And while I'm 285 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.160 willing to believe that not all of them were actually complicit in the cover up, 286 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:07.240 they were probably frightened his staying silence. This is the main reason why 287 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:11.519 it's shocking that Sue's murder has remained unsaw for thirty years. There have to 288 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:15.119 be multiple people who know exactly what happened to her, and some of them 289 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.920 probably do feel guilt or remorse about it, but they are still afraid to 290 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.400 come forward. Absolutely, I mean it has to be that there's a very 291 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:30.400 very very small chance Sue walked out to her car and was apprehended by a 292 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:33.279 stranger who wanted to just kill her and put her in the trunk. It 293 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.880 seems like there's got to be so much more to the case. Was her 294 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:41.680 car ever moved from where she parked for work, it was because she was 295 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.440 found in the trunk of her own car, So I don't know if she 296 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.559 was confronted in the parking lot or if she drove somewhere to be killed. 297 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:51.319 But whoever did it put her inside her own trunk, And was she in 298 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:53.640 the parking lot where she normally parks, or she had actually her car was 299 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:57.680 moved, We don't have that information, Like we don't know what Sue did 300 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:02.200 when she took everyone's order and left the ramps, so I don't know if 301 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:04.400 she got into her car and drove away. But the car was found in 302 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:07.839 the parking lot and auto body shops, so even if she was killed in 303 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:11.759 the parking lot, someone went to the trouble of moving it there. Okay, 304 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:14.880 So the car was definitely moved and do we know like was she assaulted, 305 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.720 do we know anything to that extent or how she was murdered like she 306 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:22.039 was stabbed. She was stabbed several times. No sexual assault, but it 307 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:26.519 looked like a crime of rage from someone who hated her. Yeah, stabbed 308 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:30.240 multiple times, definitely screamed. It's intimate, it's personal, it's revenge, 309 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:36.960 and it's so up close and personal with her. It would make a lot 310 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:38.920 of sense that as somebody that not only knew her, but that had this 311 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:41.960 idea of I want you to hurt, like I want to make sure I 312 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:48.119 see the control I have over you at this point, so, it seems 313 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:52.119 pretty clear that Sue's murder was somehow connected to issues at her workplace. But 314 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:57.559 the big question is was the motive related to her sexual harassment or the stolen 315 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:03.000 credit card ring. Well, both of them are distinct possibilities, But Sue 316 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:07.480 had already been harassed NonStop for years and had her life threatened on several occasions. 317 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:11.359 Well, I'm sure it was a personal hell for her. It doesn't 318 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:17.079 look like anyone actually followed through on their death threats yet, only one month 319 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:21.599 after subpoenas are handed down, in the credit card investigation, Sue wound up 320 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:26.359 being murdered. I just don't think that's a coincidence, not to mention that 321 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:30.599 the crime took place shortly after Joseph Nuzo had his employment at Northwest terminated for 322 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:36.599 good, and after Bobby Brooks transferred to a new job in Minneapolis. As 323 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:41.599 you'll recall, in exchange for testifying against Neuzo about his role in the credit 324 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:45.640 card ring, Brooks received a limited immunity agreement and got to avoid jail time 325 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.759 with a sentence of three years probation. But I think it's pretty damning the 326 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:56.200 Brooks still decided to perjure himself while testifying about Sue's murder, which eventually led 327 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:00.200 to him receiving a prison sentence. Why lie about that under oath unless you 328 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:04.599 have something to hide exactly. And the reality is is that remember new Zo's 329 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:10.240 going around telling people that he got this subpoena and he's he's having to come 330 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:15.759 and testify, and he says, Sue that rat I know she's the snitch. 331 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:18.599 I know Susan one's that told on us. And there were thirty sum 332 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:26.759 on individuals eventually indicted in this credit card scam, so thirty five people and 333 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:30.559 Newso's part of it, and he's the one saying, you know who told 334 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:34.359 on us, it's that snitch Sue. And remember this is during the grand 335 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:38.880 jury and they're getting these subpoenas to come in and talk about the case. 336 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:45.960 So they're scared Sue's going to somehow become a very viable witness against them. 337 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:51.319 She had to go. So whether it's Neuzo and Brooks, someone they were 338 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:56.279 working with in this quite large credit card ring, would also have the potential 339 00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:00.759 of seeing Sue as a kind of lynchpin or problem when she's in toted as 340 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:04.000 the big snitch. Oh yeah, Like, even those thirty seven people were 341 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:07.839 indicted, only ten of them were actually baggage chandlers at that airport. So 342 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:11.559 I have to assume that there were other people who involved who may have been 343 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.400 career criminals and may have been the ones who put this in motion, who 344 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:18.119 realized that, hey, if this woman is going to testify against us, 345 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:22.319 she has to go. So we can't even be certain that one of the 346 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:25.640 bagga chandlers committed the murder. It could have been someone that was hired by 347 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.480 them to kill Sue on their behalf. Wouldn't they have had to be involved 348 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:33.920 somehow and give them information about who Sue was and why she's this big problem. 349 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:37.000 Oh exactly Like, even if new Zo or Brooks didn't kill Sue herself, 350 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.960 I'm sure they fed like information whoever did kill her to know when she'd 351 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:45.039 be leaving and where she would be, so that they would know how to 352 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:49.279 attack her. So as a recap, when Brooks was called upon to testify 353 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:53.079 in front of a grand jury related to Sue's murder, he still maintained that 354 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:57.039 he was working in Minneapolis on the night she was killed and had no contact 355 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.880 with new Zo that weekend. He it's even given the chance to recant or 356 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:04.799 change his testimony while under oath, but still stuck to his original story, 357 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:10.000 and when concrete evidence was produced to show that Brooks was lying, he wound 358 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:12.880 up going to prison for fifteen months. I see no reason for Brooks to 359 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:18.720 have purgeing himself like this unless he knew something really incriminating. The investigation produced 360 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.319 time cards which showed that Brooke wasn't at work on the night of Sue's murder, 361 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.000 but it doesn't look like they uncovered any evidence that he was in Boston, 362 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.759 which is a long way from Minneapolis. So I'm not sure Brooks would 363 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:33.279 have participated in the actual murder, but at the very least I think he 364 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.960 spoke to news about it and knows what happened. Unfortunately, as part of 365 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.720 this plea deal, Brooks did not have to answer any further questions about Sue's 366 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.200 death, so that was a major blow for the investigation. It is so 367 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:51.759 infuriating. Just fine, you don't like talking about it. I don't want 368 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:56.160 to upset you. Here's a plea deal that seems really really contradictory to what 369 00:25:56.200 --> 00:26:00.279 you should be doing in this case. Once you prove he had lied to 370 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:04.200 you about where he was and who he was talking to, and a girl 371 00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:10.599 ends up dead, it's weak. It's so weak. Like Robin pointed out, 372 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.759 they held all the cards. Why did they have to make any kind 373 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:17.000 of plea deal At that point, it was like, here's the information that 374 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:21.759 you've violated the terms of your agreement, and so we should be handing down 375 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:25.200 this sentence to you type of a thing. But yet they're like, oh 376 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:29.440 no, obviously this is a pain. You don't like talking about Sue to 377 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:33.119 ask a wis so you know, just played out to this and you'll never 378 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.319 get asked a question about her again. Like the motivation on their part that 379 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:42.440 underlie that decision. I would love to know now Joseph Nuzo had a bigger 380 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:48.000 motive than anyone to murder Sue, as he'd held a grudge against her since 381 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.799 she played a role in getting him fired for six months in nineteen eighty nine, 382 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.839 and he was the source of some of the worst harassment that she received. 383 00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:00.319 And most importantly, he seemed to think that Sue was working as an 384 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:03.960 informant for the authorities and the credit card investigation and could potentially send him to 385 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:08.960 prison. Nuso definitely sounds like the number one suspect, But what isn't so 386 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:14.960 clear is how many other people might have been involved in this murder. I 387 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.519 think there has to be multiple people involved. I don't think there had to 388 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.839 be multiple people to stab Sue. But I'm still there is a gut feeling 389 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:27.720 inside me that Sue was told by somebody, Hey, I'm really hungry. 390 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.000 I really wish I had Jimmy John's you know, I really wish I had 391 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.759 Subway right now. And She's like, I could go get everybody subway, 392 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:40.359 Like if that happened and then you picked up the phone and you called somebody 393 00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:42.240 else who's waiting to see who Sue is and where she's going to be. 394 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:48.720 I could see this having multiple players waiting to figure out a way to get 395 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.279 Sue alone and to get rid of her so that she didn't testify as the 396 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.880 quote snitch, and then poor Sue's innocently functioning like, oh, the worst 397 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:02.319 problem I have is my ex boyfriend through a walkie talkie at work and people 398 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:07.440 are making dirty jokes and things like that. Well, behind her back, 399 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.960 everyone's saying she's a snitch, turning on you being the start witness for a 400 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:15.079 federal crime. So I think Sue has no idea, and I think that 401 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.200 makes her even more easy to manipulate and get her alone. So part of 402 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:22.160 me thinks it's this orchestrated plan to say, get out of here during your 403 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.480 shift. We're going to key people off that you're on your way to this 404 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:30.920 sandwich shop, and then we don't have to worry about you anymore. That 405 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.839 would make sense because Newso and Brooks were not actually working at Northwest by that 406 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.920 point, because Newzo have been fired and Brooks have been transferred so how would 407 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.880 they have known when she was going to leave the airport at what time. 408 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.640 So it definitely makes sense that maybe someone planted the seas that she would go 409 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.119 out and get sandwiches and then tip someone off to let them know she's off 410 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.640 the airport premises right now and you can go after her. Let's not forget 411 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.720 that this credit card. Let's not forget that this credit card scheme was not 412 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.400 just limited to ten baggage handlers at Northwest Airlines. Altogether, there were no 413 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.920 less than thirty five people involved, and a lot of them seemed like pretty 414 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:08.799 shady characters. As an example, there's a man named Arthur Rizzo who served 415 00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.640 five years in prison for his involvement in this scam. In two thousand and 416 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:17.440 six, Rizzo made the news again after he was busted as part of an 417 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:22.440 identity theft ring, which involved him and his accomplices impersonating Homeland security officials and 418 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:27.279 calling up immigrants to obtain their personal information such as their credit card or social 419 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:33.119 security numbers. And while I can't one percent confirm their authenticity, I've also 420 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.839 read rumors online that the mob might have been involved in the stolen credit card 421 00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.799 ring. If that was true, and Nuzzo told some higher ups and organized 422 00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:45.640 crime that Sue was a quote unquote rat and responsible for the indictments which which 423 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.039 were about to be handed down. Then I can see a contract being put 424 00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:52.599 out on her life, absolutely, and that's what you know. It's possible 425 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.759 that maybe no one did tip someone off, right, Maybe it was more 426 00:29:55.799 --> 00:30:00.039 of like, hey, it's you know, we just got called for the 427 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.279 subpoenas and people are starting to testify, and rumor has it that there's some 428 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.480 girl named Sue here. We have a picture of her, we know who 429 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.519 she is. And it's possible they're waiting in the parking lot because they know 430 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.119 she's at work and they're just waiting for her to leave. It. It 431 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.359 just so happens to be one am and not the seven am clock out. 432 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.759 But it's possible no one else in the airport at the time was the person 433 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.440 tipping them off, which is why no one was really on guard at the 434 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:32.599 time. But something bigger was happening here. Somebody's waiting to get rid of 435 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:37.680 Sue. I think for bigger reasons than sexual harassment. See these names Neuzo 436 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.680 and Rizzo. I guess you just can't trust anyone whose last name ends with 437 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:47.799 two z's in an Oh, It's possible Neuzo did not actually commit the murder 438 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:52.400 himself, and that a professional was assigned to kill Sue. But then again, 439 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.119 I think a contract killer would have simply shot her and not gone through 440 00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.359 the trouble of beating and stabbing her several times. The violent nature sure this 441 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.599 crime suggested a more personal killing. I've always wondered why the killer didn't decide 442 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.839 to murder Sue while she was off duty, because luring her to her death 443 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.920 in the middle of a shift is going to attract a lot of attention. 444 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:17.559 However, that might have been their intention all along, is having Sue disappear 445 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:21.400 like that would send a message to her co workers to keep quiet if they 446 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:26.000 didn't want to suffer the same fate. And if true, that strategy obviously 447 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.319 worked because their absence was covered up, and it seems like everyone from her 448 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.920 crew has kept their mouth shut. It's absolutely true. I mean, that's 449 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.519 the culture at this place anyway. The culture has been keep your mouth shut. 450 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.839 Because remember, Sue actually went forward, and she did have supporters. 451 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.559 Initially they were backing her up, but they started getting threatened, they started 452 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:51.680 getting their keys card, their car's keyed. They started getting threatening messages for 453 00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.599 them, and so if they were to actually come forward, especially thinking about 454 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.440 this in worrying about her physical health, like what would happen into them? 455 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:05.680 Then they were scared for just reporting the sexual harassment, And now they're worried 456 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.160 that she didn't show up to work, Then what happens. One key piece 457 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:14.599 of information I've always found curious are some claims that Sue received a phone call 458 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.960 from an unknown person shortly before she left on her food run. Her mother 459 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.599 has always believed this call might have been from someone she trusted who lured her 460 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.559 to her death. Given what she'd been through the past several years, Sue 461 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:30.000 would have been very cautious about going to meet someone alone in the middle of 462 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.400 the night, so there is some credence to that theory. Remember, Joseph 463 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.880 Neuzo and Bobby Brooks were no longer working at Logan International Airport at this time, 464 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:42.119 so how would they have known when Sue was leaving to go get food 465 00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:45.960 unless someone told them. It does seem like multiple people besides new Zo and 466 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:50.839 Brooks were complicit in Sue's murder, so it's possible that at least one of 467 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.920 them was a person she trusted. I'd like to think that the explanation here 468 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:58.680 is a fairly simple one, and that new Zo and possibly one or two 469 00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.119 other people were the sole architects of this crime, and that there's no grand 470 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:06.759 conspiracy involving the mafia or organized crime. But the fact of the matter is 471 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:08.839 that Sue just disappeared in the middle of her shift, and none of her 472 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:13.759 call workers did anything about it. And that's the thing. That's what really 473 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:19.960 you saw Marlene and Ronald do when they sued the airport and they sued the 474 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:24.920 Machinists Federation, they're saying she didn't matter to you, Like at no point 475 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:30.839 did she matter to you or her colleagues because you allowed her to be mistreated 476 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:36.559 for years. You allowed her to just be this number and check mark and 477 00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:43.359 body holder right at this airport, and no one stepped up and took care 478 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.160 of our daughter the way that you would pray your daughter was taking care of 479 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:49.799 that you would pray your wife was taking care of. You dropped the ball 480 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:54.400 for years with our daughter. And here you see, not only is it 481 00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:59.640 like she just didn't matter, it's like she walks off and disappears and everyone 482 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:05.680 goes along with their life like nothing happened, Like this was not a catastrophic 483 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.039 event. When your coworker not only goes missing, but has found murdered in 484 00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:12.800 the trunk of her cart when she was off to get sandwiches for you, 485 00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:17.920 Like, to me, this seems life changing, life altering where I would 486 00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:22.679 be part of the what happened to her movement. I would step up and 487 00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:28.679 want to know with her mother what happened, because Sue's no different than any 488 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.280 of us who are working there, Like why Sue? Why did her life 489 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:38.679 end? And no one seemed to care. It's really disturbing. Yeah, 490 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:42.440 that is a good play because we talked about her in a last episode that 491 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:46.280 every year Marlene holds a vigil at the airport, like she's always spreading awareness 492 00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:51.559 about her daughter's murder. Yet I never hear anything much about Sue's friends or 493 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:55.920 former co workers participating, like showing up the airport alongside Marley in order to 494 00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.519 try to seek answer. Is it just seems like they wanted to go and 495 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:05.079 that Marlene is the only one in the Turrascowitz family who's and her sister Debbie 496 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.840 as well, who want to find answers about what happened. I mean, 497 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.920 when a lot of years go by, too, friendships change, or just 498 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.079 people change, people move away. I could see initially friends being involved, 499 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:22.679 and then as years go by, decades go by, they may kind of 500 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.800 fall by the wayside, or they move on with their lives, they live 501 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:30.360 somewhere different and they kind of forget about Sue. Not that like she's not 502 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:31.960 on their mind, I'm sure at some point, but you know, the 503 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:36.079 family will never forget about her, so they're always going to be there. 504 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.400 But we didn't really hear about that, even from the initial stages, that 505 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:44.800 a bunch of her friends were concerned or involved in these vigils or anything like 506 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.000 that, did we, Robin, No, not that I've heard of. 507 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:50.920 Like I usually in a lot of these unsolved missing persons cases and murders, 508 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.519 we see friends of Sue get interviews or speak to the media or spread awareness. 509 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:59.159 But I can't think of anyone outside the family who has been a public 510 00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.599 face or Sue. I mean, it seems like she did spend a ton 511 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:09.079 of time at work though, because she dated Bobby Brooks and then dated her 512 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.760 boyfriend was the one that stood up to Brooks because he was being a dick, 513 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.440 and then Brooks had threatened the boyfriend and s that he would kill him 514 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:22.800 or whatever. So it just says to me, the fact that she's dating 515 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.679 in the pool of the men that are at her work, that she probably 516 00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:30.639 doesn't have a lot of free time to be out there socializing, and so 517 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:36.000 it's just more convenient to meet a partner at work when you're not going to 518 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:40.239 bars with your friends or you're not doing those things that maybe typical twenty seven 519 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:45.119 year old is doing because you have a job that requires so much of you 520 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:47.360 and I don't know how much mental energy you have left at the end of 521 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.480 the day when you're getting constantly threatened and sexually harassed all the time. Yeah, 522 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.119 that does make sense. I haven't heard much about Sue having a social 523 00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.360 life because she worked graveyard shifts from like eleven PM to seven eight, so 524 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.800 I can't imagine she went out too much, and that would explain that maybe 525 00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:07.199 like the closest friend she had were people who worked with her. When it 526 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.840 comes down to it, I'm not sure all those employees would have kept their 527 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.039 mouth shut this long if all they had to worry about was Joseph Nuzo, 528 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:21.960 especially since he went to prison on other charges shortly thereafter. If Sue's murder 529 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.199 was motivated by the credit card ring, then that makes her story even more 530 00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:30.039 tragic. Investigators have always made it clear that Sue was not involved in this 531 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:35.280 scheme and had never acted as an informant for them, and had not been 532 00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:40.159 subpoena and had not been subpoena to testify. It seems pretty likely that Sue 533 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:45.239 knew nothing about the scheme at all, though given what we've heard about her 534 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.079 character, she probably would have gone to the authorities if she did find out. 535 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:53.239 But since Nuzo had a major personal vendetta against Sue, I'm sure he 536 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:58.079 just jumped on the opportunity to label her a rat, even if there was 537 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:01.679 no reason to believe that it was true. Even if it wasn't true, 538 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:07.960 every single person that new Zo talked to, he's likely not oversharing information about 539 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:13.199 this crime with people who also weren't involved. And when he sits there and 540 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.079 he says, hey, Sue, Sue is the one that turn on us, 541 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.320 whether it's true or not, which we now know is not true, 542 00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.079 because everyone's going like, I don't know who the Sue character is right when 543 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:27.119 they're talking about the trial. But everyone that new Zo talked to now becomes 544 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.559 a very, very viable and potential suspect because when he names her and he 545 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:35.800 says she's a snitch, everyone says, well, that snitch can't make it 546 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.000 to court. We need one less person, right, We've got to make 547 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:45.199 sure that this person who's the head hauncho sharing information is deleted from the equation. 548 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:47.960 And so by Neuzo simply saying her name, I think you now have 549 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.679 a whole host of characters who have a vendetta against her. They have a 550 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:58.280 personal reason to get rid of her, and it's personal, it's intimate, 551 00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.440 it's anger driven. And that's exactly the way that her body was discovered when 552 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:07.199 she stabbed multiple times. Yeah, even if Neuzo did not commit the crime 553 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.199 himself, he may have put Sue's life at serious risk with those false claims, 554 00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.760 and if so, that just adds an extra level of tragedy to this 555 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:20.199 whole story, as a courageous woman had to deal with rampant sexism and harassment 556 00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.360 for years and still managed to persevere, but then may have been murdered over 557 00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:29.440 something she had absolutely nothing to do with. I'm really glad that Marline Traskowitz 558 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.039 will not give up it keeps going the extra mile to keep her daughter's story 559 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.199 in the spotlight. Because in spite of all the time which has passed, 560 00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.079 this case is still solvable. All it might take is for the right person 561 00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:44.079 to come forward and talk. So if you have any information on the unsolved 562 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:49.559 murder of Sue Traskowitz, please contact the Suffolk County State Police Detective Unit at 563 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:53.320 six one seven seven two seven eight eight one seven. That's six one seven 564 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:59.519 seven two seven eighty eight one seven. Jules Ashley, any final thoughts on 565 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.840 the case. I think this is one of those cases that kind of lights 566 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:07.320 a fire and makes you stop and think, like, why was Sue in 567 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:12.679 this situation to start with? And it makes you so grateful for people like 568 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:14.840 Sue. You know, Julie, I don't know about you, but as 569 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.719 a woman, when I'm listening to this story and I go, wait, 570 00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:22.800 Sue put up with this and documents that she's putting up with it so that 571 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:27.280 future women don't have to be the next woman that's harassed by these same people. 572 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:31.159 And there's so many people who have done that for us. There's strong 573 00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:36.519 men and women who have been major voices, so that we struggle a little 574 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:40.039 less than the women before us. But it's crazy to think it's twenty twenty 575 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:45.880 three and we still see and feel these same things happening in the workplace. 576 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:53.880 My begging plea to people is that you have this kind of conviction that you 577 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:58.239 owe it to not just the people around you, but to future generations, 578 00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:01.599 to our children, to our sisters, to our brothers, people who are 579 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:06.840 going to stand and shoose where they have the ability to be harassed and teased 580 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:12.280 and degraded for who they are. And you start to say, it's not 581 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.800 funny anymore. It's not going to be tolerated anymore. And whether you like 582 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.599 the people around you or not, you look at them as fellow human beings 583 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:22.719 and say, I won't stand by while people are being mistreated. Right. 584 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.000 I don't have to go have a beer with you after work, we don't 585 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.199 have to have coffee in the morning, we don't even have to talk at 586 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.239 work. But I'm not going to watch while people get mistreated. And you 587 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.719 know, I hope that that gets easier and easier for people to do. 588 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.679 I also have to step back and think about Marlene in this case. Remember 589 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:43.920 Marlene had to go report her daughter missing where she's met with Oh, yeah, 590 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:46.159 we know she's actually deceased, right, That's how she finds out that 591 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.320 her daughter has been murdered. When she's going to, you know, with 592 00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:52.599 this hope of okay, she's missing, but I just need help and I 593 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:58.719 can find her. And then Marlene isolates herself away from her daughter's belongings and 594 00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:02.480 says, I can't even fathom walking into that bedroom without my heartbreaking. And 595 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:06.639 when she finally says, you know what, Sue would want me to move 596 00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:08.320 forward, Sue would want me to understand her more. I'm gonna go be 597 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:14.679 with her things, she finds that hidden briefcase that has this diary that you 598 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.800 really dissects everything she's been dealing with. And you know that Marlene went into 599 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:22.320 this whole nother Oh my god, what if I had known? What if 600 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.159 I could have helped? Why didn't she tell me? Were we not that 601 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.880 close? Did I fail her? And so instead of saying I'm going to 602 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:32.400 shut down with that information, she says, quote, I'm a fighter and 603 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.760 Sue was a fighter, So she's not going to go anywhere. Wow. 604 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:43.039 Wow, Marlene went through a death of another child. She and port Ronald 605 00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.360 got divorced. I'm sure that it wasn't just Sue's death, but a lot 606 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:52.960 of trauma definitely weighs on a marriage. And Marlene, still thirty one years 607 00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.559 later, is fighting and saying, my daughter deserves justice, and boy does 608 00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:00.039 she. I hope and pray that even though it's been when years, someone 609 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:05.280 says enough times, past cultures have changed. Right, the culture is changing, 610 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:10.559 and poor Marlene deserves answers, and Sue deserves someone being held accountable for 611 00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:15.480 her murder. Man, You're right, this is one of the most rage 612 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:21.239 inducing cases I've heard of. How do you walk away and no one cares? 613 00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:27.679 How's your body found thirty six hours later and no one cares? And 614 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.679 how are so many people wrapped up in your abuse and harassment and potential death? 615 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:37.159 And no one's caught the idea that, you know, the women of 616 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:43.360 the past paved the way for us, and that we stand on the shoulders 617 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:49.440 of giants. I truly believe that sutu Ascoits was one of those. She 618 00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:54.400 really stood firm and steadfast in her conviction, and she refused to quit. 619 00:43:54.920 --> 00:44:00.760 She excelled at her job amidst an environment that was working against her from every 620 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.800 single angle. You've got people like Bobby Brooks, You've got people like Joseph 621 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.639 Neuzo, and I'm sure a myriad of other individuals that haven't been named, 622 00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:14.960 just likely because they weren't named in that diary. And she persevered not only 623 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:19.440 for herself. This wasn't like a selfish pursuit. She could have left and 624 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:23.400 gone to another job and had this excellent resume, and it probably would have 625 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:28.039 been a lot easier. But she didn't take the path that was easy. 626 00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:32.360 She took the path that was hard. And for that, I think we 627 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:39.119 should celebrate her. And I truly believe that Marlene and Ronald in taking the 628 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:44.920 airline to court, Northwest to court and holding their feet to the fire and 629 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.960 saying, look, you failed our daughter. You didn't hold any of these 630 00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.360 people accountable. You allowed them to make all of these missteps and screw up 631 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:57.719 here, there and everywhere, and then you brought back Newzo on this you 632 00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:01.079 know, last Chance initiative or whatever the hell it was. And at the 633 00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:05.840 end of the day, he ended up being the mastermind with this whole credit 634 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.320 card ring, and our daughter was failed. And so the fact that They 635 00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:14.519 really made Northwest say hey, we're going to put up this two hundred and 636 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:19.960 fifty thousand dollars reward for any information that leads to a conviction, and I 637 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.559 love that Delta Airlines said, hey, if anybody has this information, we 638 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:30.159 will honor that. So if anybody does have that information, hopefully they will 639 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:34.800 feel inclined to come forward. Because I just cannot wrap my head around how 640 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.320 much work Marlene has done. In particular, she is such a hero in 641 00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:42.679 this story, and I would love for her to be able to see some 642 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.480 kind of resolution as to what happened to Sue, because I feel like this 643 00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:50.840 is still solvable as long as there's people who are alive that were connected to 644 00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.679 this, and there seems to be so many. There has to be somebody 645 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:59.559 that could give the authorities the information, make a plea deal, and tell 646 00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:04.840 them who did this. I mean, I'm just dumbfounded that this case hasn't 647 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:08.480 been solved with how many people seem to be privy to information or to have 648 00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:12.719 been involved. Well, I said, this was one of the most reg 649 00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.199 inducing cases we're ever going to cover. But I actually do have some good 650 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:21.440 news by peer coincidence. The day before we recorded this episode. The podcast 651 00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.559 The Deck actually released their own new episode about this case, which featured interviews 652 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:30.159 with Marline Trascowitz as well as the new lead investigator on the case, and 653 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:35.199 he confirmed something which I didn't know before, which is that there is DNA 654 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.880 evidence which could point to a suspect. And he said that we may solve 655 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:44.000 this case sometime in the future, which is great news because I didn't know 656 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.000 if they had any DNA evidence. And since this is an example of a 657 00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:52.679 case going on solved for three decades because people will stay silent and not come 658 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.760 forward, it will be pretty amazing if they're able to use this DNA evidence 659 00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.639 and act and directly implicate a suspect and make an arrest. So that was 660 00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:02.880 a huge side of relief to hear that, because we've gone on and on 661 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:07.719 this episode about how the only reason this has managed to stay unsolved for so 662 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:13.039 many decades is because people have remained silent. But it is solvable because you 663 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:16.679 just have the sense that more people out there, not just the perpetrators, 664 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.920 have knowledge about what happened and have just never decided to tell the police. 665 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.800 So we'll see where this plays out, but if it does, I'll definitely 666 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:29.960 be cheering that because I do think that Sue Trascowitz is one of the most 667 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:34.639 amazing individuals who has ever been a victim on one of our podcasts, because 668 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:38.320 she was a trailblazer who got a job in an industry where women were not 669 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:43.920 welcome, but still managed to persevere and held the mentality if I quit, 670 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:45.440 if I let them beat me, it's going to make it a lot more 671 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:50.760 difficult for people to follow in my footsteps and other women to break into this 672 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.000 industry. And unfortunately it may have wound up costing her life, but she 673 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:59.159 does have an amazing legacy going on here because I don't know what it's like 674 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.000 at Logan Internet, National Airport and Northwest Airlines these days, but I'm willing 675 00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:07.480 to bet that it is at least better for women and that more female employees 676 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.159 are able to work there without facing the constant harassment that she had to do. 677 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:14.719 And I'm sure that was due in large part to her parents of drumming 678 00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:19.159 up so much publicity surrounding this case and filing a lawsuit against the airlines to 679 00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:21.960 put them on the spot and say that you failed our daughter, you did 680 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:24.400 not step in when she needed you. When she was being harassed and that 681 00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:29.519 may have cost her her life. And overall, I do believe that even 682 00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:34.480 if Joseph Nuzo and Bobby Brooks to not personally kill Sue, that they at 683 00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.000 least were involved in the murder plot against her or know who did it. 684 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.760 And I do hope that this DNA evidence does lead somewhere and that when they 685 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.599 arrest a suspect, we'll find out the full truth and that maybe other people 686 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:50.199 who were complicit actually get arrested as well, and we will find the full 687 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.159 truth about what happened to her, because Sue is definitely a victim who deserves 688 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:57.559 justice. Robin, do you want to tell us a little bit about the 689 00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:00.800 trailment called Patreon? 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