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How you doing out there. It's
me Tigger Duc Wayne Duck. It's me

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Bunkers Deep Bobcat. All right,
y'all, did it ring your favorite firefly

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you desire? Hold old knock guy. My name is Jim Cummings and welcome

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to tuned In. As you can
see, we are live and kicking tuned

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in with Jim Commings, and today
we have a very very special guest.

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Thank me later. Boom. Yes, thanks for coming. Man, I'm

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so happy to be here. I'm
so glad. We bumped into each other

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and You're like, hey, I'm
doing this podcast and I was like,

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cool, let's go. We'll all
worked out. So yeah. Well,

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you know we met a few times
at conventions we have and uh oh no,

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no stop it. Yeah no no
no, A big, really big,

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huge, huge, massive fan of
your work. Oh well wait thanks,

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And I'm a massive fan of your
height cause you're really yeah, dark

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and handsome. If you've heard a
tall, dark and handsome, I'm the

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poster child. He's the poster child. Oh man, you know it must

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be terrible up there. It's horrible. Yeah, chicks hate it, and

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I just I repulse them. I'm
like, I'm a chick. Magnet.

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But it's the other side of the
magnet where they're like, well, they

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just keep bouncing right off. And
man, yeah, we all believe that

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everyone buys. There's not a soul
out there, not a soul out there.

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Now, I think we're allowed to
say this because we've been under constraints

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this way, that way, et
cetera, due to the strike. But

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by the time this airs, oh
we're all good. Yeah, by the

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time this records, I mean the
time this riccords. Yeah, that's what

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he said. So we can talk
about all of our work now, isn't

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that fun? Yeah. So,
since you've got about eighteen hundred more things

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in the fire than me, tell
us what is next? Any given thing?

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Or like too many to mention?
I don't know. Oh no,

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no, no, I mean,
listen, man, I'm I'm I'm so

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blessed and I'm so grateful for the
life and the career and everything that I've

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been given. And absolutely I've got
a lot of little irons in the fire

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and things like that. But as
much as I wish that I could say,

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oh, I've got more than I
can handle and I'm beating I'm out

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with the stick. No, you
know, I well, listen, there's

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a few movies that I've I've already
shot. They're in the can and they'll

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be coming out next year. Actually, oh I can say for the first

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time publicly or whatever. Oh,
it's not even that big of a drum

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roll, because it's already out right
now. But Spike Kids Armageddon is on

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Netflix right now. I haven't been
able to promote it at all. Okay,

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anybody out there wants to go watch
a really good family movie with all

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the feels like that and it's fun
and it's adventure and you know, go

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check it out. It's a lot
of fun. Me and Gina Rodriguez get

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to be the new parents in the
Spike Yeah, I get to Tonio Benderis,

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which is about time. Oh you're
kidding. So that's really fun.

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Finally made it to adulthood, I
know, right, I mean, I

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mean, you're a you're an eight
year old playing an adult. Yeah,

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well no, Billy, Billy's more
sixteen seventeen at this point. Well okay,

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but anyway, so that's on Netflix. Go watch that if you haven't

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already watched that, and and then
and then next year. I love your

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Pello, by the way, I
love all the news knit it this afternoon.

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It looked like your work. It
seems like you're your craftsmanship. But

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so I did. I've done a
couple of films that are in the can

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and waiting to come out. One's
called The Unbreakable Boy. Did it with

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lions Gate. I'm hoping it comes
comes out next year. Beautiful little,

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I mean, very small, grounded, family dramedy, true story about a

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young boy. Uh well, a
couple that meets each other. They get

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pregnant super quick. They're like,
all right, well let's try and you

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know, figure this out. They
have their son. There's some weird companys.

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They don't realize until later that he
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he is autistic. They don't.
And by the way, this was years

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ago, so as before autism was
really even like a thing that people were

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understanding quite as much as we do
now, which is unfortunate how often it

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happens now. But also he has
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And so it's a true story.
The father of this family wrote the

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book The Unbreakable Boy. We made
the movie of it, actually, we

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made it shot at the end of
twenty twenty but it's just kind of been

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sitting in the can. Hopefully that
comes out next year. Would love people

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to go and see that. I
shot a movie called Not Without Hope,

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which is also a true story,
very tragic story for friends football players that

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went fishing off the coast of Florida
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so not even that long ago,
true story, true true story. Their

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book capsized. They got caught in
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died. I played the gentleman who
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wrote a book, and we made
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out this next year, I believe. And Harold in the Purple Crayon actually,

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which is based on the children's book
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That sounds it sounds like I'm in
the you know, I'm at Barnes

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and Noble and I'm in the kids
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yeah. It's actually, it's quite
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children's book that some kids grew up
with, some kids didn't. But I

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guarantee you if you saw the cover
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I know exactly what that. That
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boy in little footy pajamas that you
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he can kind of create his own
worlds and he learns lessons along the way.

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But we shot that film in twenty
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be coming out next year as well. So those are all the future projects

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nice we've got in the can.
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developing for a little while that I'm
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the ground, and now that the
strike is over, hopefully we can dive

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into all that. God, that's
wonderful. Thanks man. What about you?

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What's going on in your world?
I'm diddy bopping and lollygagging. Oh

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we simultaneously. Next week I'm going
to upgrade to shilly shally and I mean

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that you can hold me to that. How well? Okay, but hold

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on a second. You have so
many voices and you play all of these

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characters. How how how busy do
they keep you? I'm doing fine.

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Yeah, you know, in spite
of everything, I've got two series that

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are percolating away. And I'm pretty
sure I could say this one. I

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had a character that originated long,
long time ago. You were probably not

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born when but okay, well anyway
you met, okay, you were like

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five, but when's the kids?
Wing Duck, Dark Wing Duck. Good

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d dark Wing. I'm so happy
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Duck. Oh my god, are
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Argen Duck fan. Of course,
that entire lineup, Dark Wing Duck,

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Tailspin bonkers, what was bonkerskays Parkers
Deep the best detective and I was that,

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okay, it's over, stop cut
rescue right now, no, no

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chip. It was Disney Afternoon,
and he was he was the kind of

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this step Am I allowed to say
that? Right? You talk about gingers

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that way? Can gingers know that? This is how everybody? I love

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Gingers. I'm just saying, even
though they are evil? Uh Wakers?

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Hold on, I'm going to have
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familiar. But obviously you've done so
many voices, so dude, so wait,

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so dark Wing, what's happening?
Dark Wing Duck? They bring back?

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That's why it's like, can I
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knows that the like those notes you
know something you know, yeah, you

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know some fecal metals is having yeah. Yeah, it's like an old TV

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exactly. Yeah. So listen,
man, I mean it's iconic. Dark

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wing Dog is an iconic character.
Thanks. I I agree. What are

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you gonna do? Okay? So
so a little bit of that going on?

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Are you Is there any more Pooh
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Oh winning the pool? Yea,
yea yeah, because obviously we're all doing

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it. I was gonna say this, gotta get a good BM in everything.

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Really, God, I'm not having
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You need to talk to some about
that's right, but not me. God,

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that was funny. Uh any,
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and see. You know, the
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experience because right out of the gate, I landed the roll of winning the

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poop? Thank you lord. Yeah. You know when I first got into

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the business, made a demo tape
and they said, would you like to

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audition for Winning the Poop? I
said yes? When was that eighty five?

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Eighty five? And is that when
they relaunched the cartoons and all that.

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Yeah, yeah, the New Adventures
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New Adventures. And then there was
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Shrove Tuesday specials and it was great. So my childhood guys, Yeah,

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oh yeah, wonderful. Think about
Tigger. Okay, that's really funny.

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Don't do that again. You know, we could get Zachary. We don't

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need jam. We don't need jam. This tick is a wonderful thing.

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The toximent and a rubble, the
bundle in a spring. Okay, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, no, dude, I love it.

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I love it. That's so cool. Yeah, somebody's got to do it,

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right. Yeah. Well, I've
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that used to get me kicked out
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were you? Were you in that
category? Were you? Yeah? Yeah,

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I mean I I should have been
on adderall since I was a fetus,

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like my ADHD and my mind and
heart and soul and creative flow and

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all of the things. I was
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I I think that part a big
part of all of that was growing

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up in the circumstances I grew up
and I was a middle boy between two

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girls and no father figure around.
I had my like growing up was going

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you know, family shopping trips to
Mervin's. It was my mom and my

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sisters and my cousin and my aunts
and California. Oh yah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, oh
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in Ventura, California, you know, yea not too far from from here

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and where y'all are at. But
yeah, Murvins, I know, right,

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and Marshalls and everything. But anyway, yeah, but you know,

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so I've been I think a lot
of that, or my kind of entertainer

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in me spawned from like I need
to find who I am and my identity

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and also be seen and all that
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intrinsic in me, and I loved
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as a kid, you know,
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and so I've been doing funny voices, silly voices always, and loving cartoons

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and loving all that stuff, and
and always trying to challenge myself how do

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I sound like that? Or how
do I sound like that? And doing

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dialects of you know, English.
You know, one of my favorite things

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is to go find English people.
But it's difficult now a lot of people

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know who I am or what I
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I can go to them and be
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then we just have a whole fucking
conversation. Yeah, and then and you

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know, later on they're like,
why are you are you taking the pace?

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I'm not, no, I'm not
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what you're talking about, you know? But all that, that all started

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when I was four. That all
started when I was just like, you

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know, trying to sound like Daffy
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Pooh or whatever that Oh my god, well, you know, I am

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ashamed. I can't believe I'm going
to tell this, but it's true.

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I occasionally and I used to live
in New Orleans and it was in the

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seventies. Yeah, and it was
before anything, you know, any disease

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that you could catch would make your
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that. And there was a certain
time when I thought there would be most

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advantageous to be from Liverpool. That's
Pool. That's not England. I mean,

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that's England, England, that's Liverpool. Yeah, I know. I

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always end up on George George Lennon, George Lennon, that's together, the

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two together. And why am I
sound like I'm asking a question. Yeah,

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all right, I was that time. Yeah yeah, but that was

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technical. Yeah yeah, it's so
fun. Man, Oh god, yeah,

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I know. It was like a
secret power girls. Oh my god.

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Do you know the Beatles, like
the Beetles, like but you know

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the Beadles, and oh I know
them absolutely. They grew up down the

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road from me. Yes, okay, now I'm gonna tell my Beatles story.

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Tell it. Okay. So I
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is pretty popular man, Well,
yes, a couple of those. But

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then, but then, but then
I ended up a singer because I was

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always singing awesome, and they didn't
need a drummer. And I remember,

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give me the microphone, a ton
of ship less to carry. Oh yeah,

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yeah, yeah I can carry.
I can't carry a mic stand or

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I can carry an entire drums Now
I'm good. Give me this tambourine,

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you know you Davy Jones from the
Monkeys. Yeah, yeah, but it

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was but but no I did that, and oh god, I blanked on

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where I was going New Orleans in
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whole Beetle Star. Yeah, And
so we were making thank you, We

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were actually making a living. Uh. In the band it was called fusion.

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The band was Confusion. Band was
called Fusion, and one S it

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was wasn't bad and one because they
started they started seeing Yes, yes,

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they started with fushion and I go, guys, we got to get rid

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of an s because it's called fusion
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no, it's like the monkeys were
not the monkeys. Well yeah, but

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also the monkeys spelled it with two
ease. That's still pronounceable. That's not

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changing the literal pronunciation. And it's
not words. Let's have a discussion about

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fashion. Anyway, I got got
rid of the the the and uh,

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we were we would hang around at
sound City, which was the guitar Center

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of New Orleans if you will,
the guitar center, the guitar center,

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Hi, not guitar, No guitar, guitar. Yeah. See that's how

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you can tell where it was.
Uh. And so we're hanging out and

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we would go and we would just
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like that, waiting for people to
recognize us. You know, we're all

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like, yeah, maybe you've seen
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the other day. Yeah, we're
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so we're hanging out and the guy
Lewis Junk was the owner of there,

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and he's sitting there and he's playing
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guitar and he and I'm looking at
it, and he was right handed,

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and I said, you know you're
playing that upside down and he goes,

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oh, yeah, well you know
Paul's left handed. And I go yeah.

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And there was a guy that worked
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and he had a Rickenbacker and this
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And I said, Paul's right handed. He goes, no, he's left

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handed. I go, no,
he's not. No, he's not.

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And he plays that stupid, terrible
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band called show Boat. Naturally,
he's begging for it, begging should be

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anyway. So and I said,
so, so what do you what are

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you doing with that? He goes, oh, wait, he's recording over

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at C. Saint Studios And I
said, no, he's not. He's

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right out there. He's like forty
ten thirty feet away and he's selling guitar

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strings to some Nimrod from you know, shaw Mett And he goes, no,

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he's not. He's down at Seat
Saint Studios and he's recording an album.

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I said, he's not recording an
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all the time I'm thinking he's talking
about this Paul Williams. And then he

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gets out. He goes, anyway, we're gonna work on his guitar.

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And he pulls out this guitar case
and it's got moist in New Orleans,

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International, London, Heathrow Insurance,
blah blah blah, and I what the

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hell, what do you do?
Buy it from England? Is this a

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mail order? And he goes,
excuse me, He says, no,

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no, no, this is Paul
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I grabbed it. I swear to
God. The first thing I did I

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picked it up like this, keys
here, and I rubbed it. I

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rubbed the strings on my forehead.
I rubbed the strings a little bit on

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my forehead. Probably did that too, anyway. And then then I said,

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okay, you can have it back
now. I was trying to steal

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them. It didn't work, No, didn't work. I was still a

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bum uh, but I was a
bum who got to paul the strings on

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it. Sometimes that's all you get. Sometimes that's all you get and the

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story. Yeah, that's right,
that's right. New Orleans is such a

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great town. Man. Where are
you from? Originally? I was born

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in Youngstown, Ohio? Obviously,
no kidding. A buddy of mine,

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Vinnie fast Line, he's a comic
here in town. He's from Youngstown.

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Vinny fast Line, great dude,
really funny guy. Actually just did his

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podcast yesterday. Damn Yeah. Yeah, two guys from Youngstown, two podcasts.

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Hey, but you're on a roll. You're gonna be in Cleveland in

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no no time. But New Orleans, Uh, it's such a really unique

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and special town. I've gotten only
one, No, there really is,

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yeah, only one, only one. And the energies weird but cool,

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dark but like all of the things. Yeah, I wonder if full wonderful

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human beings. The accent in New
Orleans has actually tripped me out because the

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first time I went there, you
thought they were from Brooklyn. Yes,

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exactly are you doing that? Yeah, it sound like you're from Brooklyn or

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whatever. Yeah, I mean it's
like it's a really weird, interesting amalgamy.

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You'd never have seen it coming.
Nope, no, no, no,

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no, because if you're looking for
Southern accents, it's not that.

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Yeah, it's a very cool,
unique spot. And uh and people,

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my sister got married there. We've
we've had a lot of good memories and

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the oh yeah, me too.
Well. I used to design and paint

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Marti Grat floats, kidd for Comas, Momas and proteus. Who's oh for

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those? Those those are the prade. Oh god, those are the crews

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k R E w E s I've
done Oh gosh, darn it. What

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was aucus Bacchus? I've done Bacchus
a couple of times. I've written in

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Bacchus. It was so fun.
Yeah, it was. I really had

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no idea what I was stepping into. I don't think anybody does, because

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it's I had never even been to
the before. Like the first time I

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went to money Gral, I was
writing on a box float. That's not

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a bad No, it's not bad. It's not bad. But the people

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that I was writing with, who
had obviously done it a lot, They're

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like, so here, we're gonna
load up all of us because you stop

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all the all the floats, like
you you all get out and you all

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line up on this one road I
can't remember which one of these. They're

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kind of staging area. Everyone's getting
like their last dream Carrollton and you're and

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you're loading your float with all of
the beats. There are so many beads.

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You think there is not a chance
in hell that we will be able

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to throw out all of these beads. And then you realize, oh wow,

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no, like you do. You
do have to stay on it.

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But if as long as you kind
of stay on it, like you almost

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are like I don't know that I
will have enough beads by the end,

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right. But one of the coolest
things about it is to me anyway,

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like the way I kind of looked
at it or felt about it, it

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was almost like a game. And
the game was how many people can you

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actually connect with and get those beads
too? And because the route is a

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fun I mean it's long, it's
a long route. Oh yeah, yeah

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yeah. But and so in some
places, you know, they're all everyone

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just there and lined up kind of
you know, literally five feet away or

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ten feet away. Yeah, But
then there's the families that have the A

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frame ladders, oh yeah, with
the kids up on the top of the

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ladder the little bucket seats, and
it's actually really cool because then you got

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the dad kind of like standing on
the back of the ladder with his arms

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around the kids and yeah, and
they're grabbing beads and the kids are grabbing

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beads, and then you find these
other like you know, you go into

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a big corner and now you've got
like hundreds of people deep into this corner,

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and so the people in the back
are actually hundreds of feet away,

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and so you're trying to like connect
with the people short you're like giving these

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little wong ones exactly. And then
I would like or I connect with somebody

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like way up on a balcony and
you make that eye contact. It's like

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it's coming to you. It's coming
to you, and you'd beat you'd beat

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those beads up, ball those beads
up and just Kurt Warner those things straight

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up to that goddamnit. It was
so satisfying. It was so satisfying.

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But then also there'd be a lot
that you wouldn't get to that person.

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Those are a bummer, But the
ones that were the worst slash also kind

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of funny, but really not is
when you would make eye contact with somebody,

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oftentimes children. You made the eye
contact, you're like, okay,

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here it comes, and you throw
the bead and they take their eye off

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of you because now they're they're looking
at somewhere else, trying to be and

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those beads right off their head.
That hurts, guys, I'm not There's

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a lot of plastic, particularly what
it's bundled up like that. When you're

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looking for some beads on Mardi Gras, pay attention. If someone's throwing you

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meats, pay attention. I don't
want to be responsible for If I've said

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it once, then it would be
one time. That's amazing, fun man.

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I recommend to anybody whoever gets the
opportunity to rap fun throwing beads the

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people in Martigo. It's gotta be
asked. John Goodman, what I mean?

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That's what he does? Does he
really? Oh? Yeah, he's

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got a place called Johnny B.
Goods. John Goodman has a place in

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New Orleans called Yeah, Johnny B. Goods. Yeah get it, see

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because yeah, we all got it. We were Yeah he's uh, he

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was. You know. I did
this movie Jungle Book two, and he

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played Blue and we started talking about
New Orleans and yeah, I mean he's

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like all over it. He's the
king of New Orleans these days. I

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had no idea that John Goodman and
he lives out there part of the time.

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Maybe yeah, on and off?
Who are you the voice of the

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Jungle in Jungle Book two? Sheer
con Well, no, I mean who's

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the snake? Were you the voice
of car? Oh? Yeah? Yeah,

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yeah yeah, And then apparently but
I was King Louis too for not

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the very first one. Well,
Swinger Jungle be Happy by Remain don't sing

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it that well? Too bad.
I don't know how to sing about it.

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Yeah, it's a curse. But
no, that that was. That

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was one of the coolest things.
And real quick aside and very quick aside.

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Uh. Samby Terra was his sax
player, and I hired him to

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play for a private event, and
I got up and sang a couple of

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songs with him as Louis Prima because
I'm designated Louis for you know, Disney

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is designated yeah people for that,
And uh, isn't it amazing they got

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away with using basically the same animation
back in the day Jungle Book and Robin

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Hood were so many of the same
characters. Little John and Blue were exactly

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by the way, not just the
same animation. It was the same guy.

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It was the same voice that did
both Little John and Blue. Oh

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Nate King Gov England. Yeaheah,
I can think Hey, Rob right,

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hey, Rob, Hey, Robin
oh man, I love it, yeah

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so much. But yeah, a
lot of those same a lot of those

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same sketches, they just reused them. I think it was in the seventies.

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I think I'm pretty sure that's what
it was. Like which one Robin

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Hood or I think both? Oh
no, maybe maybe jungle Book was in

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the seat Jungle Book of sixties.
Yeah, but in the set listen,

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I know that Disney went through some
like really paltry years where like people were

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not you know, like the Dark
Chrystal or the yeah, Black Cauldron years,

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Black Cauldron, That's right, Like
they were grasping and straws trying to

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you know, and I think a
lot of people were just not really watching

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a lot of animation at that point, yeah, way or whatever. So

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then, of course was that it
was crap a lot of it. Yeah,

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yeah, so you know, yeah, you know, sorry, oh

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wait, did Jim say that no, I did say no, No,

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Jim didn't say that. I didn't
say that. But you know, some

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of the coolest things were, you
know, meeting Phil Harris, the original

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Blue Oh yeah, oh yeah,
how you doing there, little bitches?

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And I thought it was the freaking
coolest thing in the universe to meet that

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guy. And they offered me the
role, and I met him. He

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came on for Tailspin and did his
character for two or three sessions, and

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then they just, you know,
decided he didn't sound quite right anymore.

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Kidding. He was in his mid
nineties mid nineties that point. Yeah,

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yeah, I mean, and you
know what I mean. You know,

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it's tough. It's like, on
one hand, you're like, man,

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he's his Blue, and on the
other hand you're like, but also he's

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real old and yeah, and I
always sounds like Blue's daddy. Yeah,

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you know so, And they offered
me the part, and I I was

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just so fond of the guy I
couldn't take it. Yeah, you know,

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I said, I'm already Louis,
you know, and he was my

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favorite character in a Jungle book.
Oh yeah, but I'm not King of

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the Swing as no, I mean, King Louis was Oh King. Louis

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was Louis Prima. Oh yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know it's like I said,
I hired his bandmate for a party I

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had once, you know, Samo, the sax player. Yeah, Louis

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was a trumpet player. Yeah.
But yeah, anyway, you know good

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stuff man. Yeah, you know, such a rich, deep cultural Oh

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yeah, Louis Prima is one of
my faves, man. I I I

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love big band. I love that
whole kind of era. I mean,

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honestly, it's it's more than an
era because big band jazz swing. I

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mean that you can take that like
depending on you know, how you case

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it. But it's like late twenties
all the way through the seventies really,

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I mean, Sinatra and those guys
were still doing shows and oh you're still

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doing a lot of rat packy stuff
up into that point, even though it

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was starting to become a little old
hat, you know, like people are

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like, we're not really we don't
really want that. That's a long time.

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Yeah, And also was so interesting
like music back in the day,

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there were less there were less songs
because so many people would sing the same

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songs. So many people had a
version of my funny Valentine. So many

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people had a version you know of
yeah, you know, and and and

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it's interesting that we as a society
we're totally fine with that. Like,

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could you imagine if Justin Timberlake comes
out with a song and then a couple

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of months later, Justin Bieber does
that exact same song it's slightly different.

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Well, but they don't. But
they don't. It's not the same song,

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it's not the same lyrics, and
it's not the same you know,

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Like there's there are so many different
versions of like which Bothered and Bewildered?

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Wait, okay, which Bothered and
Bewildered? That's not a song, is

405
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.119
it? Yeah? It is.
It's a big song. It is Frank

406
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:03.400
Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald. Ella Fitzgerald
has ultimate version of that. So they

407
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:10.079
witched, Bothered and bewildered? Am
I anyway? Sorry? Yeah, grounded

408
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:14.160
to. It's such great music,
all of it. And it's amazing that

409
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:18.119
those folks all got to kind of
kick around and sing different versions of that

410
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.720
and also like collaborate in the ways
that they did. Lewis Armstrong and ele

411
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.920
Fitzgerald and all of their incredible duets, and yeah, man, it's it's

412
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.559
Rich. I Actually I just sang
my my very first solo concert that I've

413
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.799
been trying to do for years,
or not trying to do, but like

414
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.240
wanting to do, and finally put
the time into it. The strike was

415
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.680
kind of part of that. I
just had extra time because of it.

416
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:44.480
But and it was all big band, It was all those those old that's

417
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.720
wonderful. What did you do?
Where? Where was it? Where can

418
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:48.920
we find it? It was in
Salt Lake. He was at fan X.

419
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:53.039
Wait did I see you there at
the convention? Yeah? Yeah,

420
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:57.000
it was. It was the Thursday
night. I was there Friday Saturday as

421
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.200
a you know, as a as
a guest, you know, to be

422
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.599
at my booth. And I knew
that I'd be talking so much to my

423
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.799
voice would be gone, if you
know. So I we started the week

424
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:15.759
with me doing the concert and gosh, we did some booble tunes, nice

425
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:19.160
sway and uh, it had better
be tonight. Spider Man. He does

426
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:26.160
a really fun Spider Man theme.
If you've never heard that, yeah,

427
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:30.240
yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
but it's like a whole like big band

428
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:34.799
swing version. It's really fucking cool
that I could see that. Yeah,

429
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:41.240
spider Man, spider Man friendly neighborhood
spider Man. Can he swing from a

430
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:49.440
thread catches it goes this spider Man. Yeah, that's right in the chill

431
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:56.200
of night, at the scene of
a crime, like a street you go,

432
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.680
like he arives just in time,
spot man. Yeah, like it's

433
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:11.400
super fun. It's it's I wasn't
done well, I was, but yeah,

434
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:18.720
it was really a pretty by the
way out of apply that was wicked,

435
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.599
thanks man. Yeah. I love
singing. It's been it's been one

436
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.039
of my loves for my whole life. And I've been so grateful that acting

437
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:29.359
has been the bread and butter,
and it's you know, giving me such

438
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:33.759
a wonderful life. And and I've
gotten to sing a little bit throughout my

439
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.799
career. I've done Broadway a couple
of times, a couple of musicals.

440
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:38.920
Did not know that. Yeah,
I did a musical called First Date back

441
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:44.480
in twenty thirteen. It was an
original musical comedy, which very proud of.

442
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.119
Unfortunately, only we only ran six
months and there was never really a

443
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:49.839
good recording of it. So you
either saw it or you did it,

444
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:56.480
like there's wow. But then a
few years later, two thousand, six

445
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.240
months fifty Broadway is not like anything
to sneeze. Oh no, no,

446
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:01.960
no, listen. I was going
to be done with the show at six

447
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:05.920
months anyway, but I think the
show deserved to have a longer run.

448
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.079
I was losing my mind when I
I had always wanted. I mean,

449
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:14.319
I came up doing theater, lots
and lots of theater, school theater,

450
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.039
of community theater. I think we
all did. Yeah, well hopefully.

451
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:21.559
I mean there's a lot of actors
and whatnot that don't they don't appreciate what

452
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:27.200
really the foundation of all the things
that we do. It all comes from

453
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.559
there. All these microphones and cameras
and everything. Ill came a lot later.

454
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:36.119
We were on wood with prosceniums and
an audio. We had to figure

455
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:40.279
out how to convey stories and beat
characters interacting with each other in present moments,

456
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:45.440
real time moments when those safety net
and it's wonderful. I love it

457
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:46.920
so much. God, you know. I had a couple I had an

458
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:53.200
experience opportunity to take my two younger
daughters, maybe like five six years ago

459
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.920
back to Youngstown, Ohio, where
I was from. Yeah, and we

460
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:04.440
went to the Youngstown Playhouse and I'm
telling you, you know, and what's

461
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:12.599
interesting is that this correlates Youngstown,
Ohio, the Youngstown Playhouse and oh god,

462
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:17.240
I'm forgetting the place where Lion King
uh debuted on Broadway. Anyway,

463
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.519
they smell the same theme, the
same you go backstage, Yeah, you

464
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:29.440
go backstage. It smells what's the
smelling max factor? A little bit of

465
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:36.119
freshly freshly, freshly cut wood.
Yeah. And and and it's like and

466
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:40.319
I'm going god and paint. Oh
my god, they all smell alike.

467
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:50.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and
it tears kind and broken tree Okay,

468
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:55.119
well yeah, a little less fragrant, but it's it really does. I

469
00:33:55.119 --> 00:34:00.559
mean, there's there's something that's very
true and unifying in mad about that entire

470
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:06.319
world. And whether it's a school
production or a community theater production, or

471
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:10.639
a regional production or a Broadway production, there is commonality in all of that.

472
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.079
There were artists are trying to make
the best version of that for those

473
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:20.239
people in that space, in that
time and again, and it's and there's

474
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.079
no cuts, there's no assistance other
than if somebody goes up and they're like

475
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:28.159
line. But yeah, right,
I've seen that. I think I've ever

476
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.320
actually seen that in the show,
although that would be pretty fun. But

477
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.119
yeah, so getting to sing in
my career has been been great, but

478
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:36.760
I don't get to do it enough. Broadway a couple of times. I

479
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:38.440
did this other show of twenty sixteen, I did a show called She loves

480
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:44.159
Me, which was a revival,
a beautiful rival of the show She Loves

481
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:45.199
Me, which is an incredible show
if you ever get the chance to see

482
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:50.119
it. It's also people can watch
it online or on TV. It's on

483
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.000
Broadway. There's like a Broadway dot
Com app. And then also PBS has

484
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:59.960
it and they they did a really
good job filming it. But then also

485
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.760
so I mean, you know,
I guess bringing a full circle to Tuned,

486
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.519
you know, one of the one
of the only other places in my

487
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:13.079
career where I've gotten to actually sing
was doing Tangled for Disney and and singing

488
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.199
you know at Last I See the
Light with Mandy, and yeah, bit

489
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.800
of other stuff. I was always
a little bummed that Flynn never got his

490
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.760
own song, Like, you know, I was always like, wait,

491
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:30.760
why can't can't I own? But
the song the duet that we sang got

492
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:35.159
nominated for an Academy Awards. That's
not bad, Yeah it was. It

493
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.039
was all pretty pretty tremendous, which
meant me and Mandy sang at the Academy

494
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:44.559
Awards, which was the most nerve
wracking experience of my entire life. No,

495
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.159
it was insane. It was not
it's not good for you, bless

496
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.760
you, bless you for your cough. Yeah, no, it's it was

497
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:53.760
pretty terrifying. It's pretty terrifying.
But we got through it, and I

498
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:57.440
didn't and I did screw it up. So I was happy about that.

499
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:02.400
I cannot imagine because there's a part
of me that still goes back to that

500
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:06.840
whenever I see that, and and
you know, and and here they are

501
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:08.760
and they're walking on stage. I'm
going, good, I'm glad I'm not

502
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:14.480
them, because that's just it's a
lot a lot. I was on the

503
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:15.880
carpet, you know, like we
had rehearsed and all that stuff, and

504
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.400
I was on the red carpet that
day, and I was actually feeling pretty

505
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:24.599
good until I got this one reporter
who I can't remember, it was E

506
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.920
or whatever, and they're like,
so, you know, how are you

507
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.679
feeling your performance? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, me and mad

508
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:32.239
You're gonna sing the song? They
go, are you nervous? I'm like,

509
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:35.760
you know, I think I'm doing
pretty good. She's like, that's

510
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:37.239
you know, wow, because you
know, and by the way, and

511
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.880
at this point, all I'm thinking
is there's I don't know a thousand or

512
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.159
however many people are in the audience
that day. I'm not thinking at all

513
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:51.719
about the television about and she says, she goes, wow, I mean,

514
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:53.440
you know, it's got to be
a little nerve wracking. And a

515
00:36:53.480 --> 00:37:00.039
billion people around the world watching the
song. Wait, Bllion, people watch.

516
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.079
It's true. There are like that. There are that many people in

517
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.000
other countries that care enough to watch
the oscars and they tune in and they're

518
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:12.000
like, I wonder what these idiots
are gonna do. I'm like, oh

519
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.199
my gosh, please please, oh
man. It was nuts, but it

520
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.199
was. It was an incredible thing
to wait, you pulled it off.

521
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:22.239
No, thanks, man, I
have a question for you. What So

522
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.159
obviously we know you from you know, Chuck fricking Shazam, you know,

523
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:30.039
yea great career. But I'm really
curious. I watched American Underdog and I

524
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:32.920
love that movie. Thanks you did
such a great job. Thank you really

525
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.239
pulls at your heartstrings, you know
good, it's really emotional. I'm curious

526
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:39.159
about the research that you had to
do for that movie, Like, what

527
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:45.920
was your familiarity with football? Well, I was like nineteen or something like

528
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:47.719
that when it all happened in real
time, and I remember watching it.

529
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.679
I mean I kind of grew up
in a Christian home and like Kurt was

530
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.320
super you know, a vocal about
his faith and all that stuff. So

531
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.960
already that was this kind of interesting, cool thing. But watching this little

532
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:04.960
role, nobody who came out of
the Arena League all of a sudden take

533
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:09.440
the NFL by storm, whoop in
everybody's ass. I mean he had obviously

534
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:15.559
it was surrounded by one of the
most incredible offenses ever assembled. But you

535
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.000
know, I remember watching it.
I remember seeing it with my family.

536
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.440
I remember him winning the Super Bowl
and thinking, this is what dreams are

537
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:23.519
made of. This is a plot
of a movie. And then sure enough

538
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:29.280
it became one and I ended up
getting to play that role, which was

539
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:31.960
it was It was an honor.
I mean, I unfortunately, because it

540
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:37.400
was the middle of the pandemic,
I only got like two days of hanging

541
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.719
out with him and Brenda before we
started shooting the movie. Now then they

542
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.239
were able to join us on set
and they were with us kind of through

543
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.000
the stream of it, which in
some ways is a little nerve wracking because

544
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:52.239
they're watching at video village. They're
watching you either totally like emulate who they

545
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:57.480
are or total But they were super
cool and kind and they are they're wonderful

546
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:02.519
human beings and friends of mine to
this day. But we you know,

547
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:06.199
we didn't get a lot Unfortunately,
we didn't get a lot of of like,

548
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.320
you know, together time before we
started shooting. But yeah, I

549
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:12.719
mean it was like I knew all
the things that I knew prior and then

550
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.199
the internet is full of information.
Uh. And then try to ask,

551
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:19.159
you know, just asking Kurt and
Brenda as many questions as I could at

552
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:22.840
any given moment that could help paint
little details into what the performance is and

553
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:29.920
you know, and also trying to
tell their story will also you know,

554
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:32.199
you take it. You have to
always take a little creative license in it

555
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:37.280
all, which is not to say
that anything in that movie didn't happen.

556
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.599
Actually like everything in that movie pretty
much factually happened, but in what order

557
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:45.400
exactly or what were the emotions at
any given time, and just trying to

558
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.079
you know, keep it as entertaining
and move it, move through all of

559
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:52.920
it as as as efficiently. Yeah, exactly, sure. And they were

560
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:54.760
super cool about it all. And
I got like a month and a half

561
00:39:54.840 --> 00:40:00.000
quarterback crash crash, course, Like
that's what I was curious about. Yeah.

562
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:02.599
Yeah, it wasn't nearly as much
as I wanted to be honest,

563
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:07.599
because I grew up throwing baseball's not
footballs. And that is a marked difference,

564
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:09.119
you know, like in every way, shape and for it, no

565
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:13.719
kidding. Yeah, And and so
you know, I think I'm pretty proud

566
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:15.719
of myself, like where I got
to in a month and a half,

567
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.199
well a month and a half,
and then during you know, continue to

568
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:21.079
obviously work on it through the shoot, but like I was very I was

569
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:27.079
very proud of myself of where I
got to. I was forty throwing lots

570
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:31.199
and lots and lots of footballs,
and my arm was toast. Like I

571
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:36.719
had to have Pete on it.
Like mid day shoot, like we had

572
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:38.760
all these like THEO guns and all
these like stem like you know, like

573
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:44.559
electric stem. Yeah. Like I
was like dying my gray hair to be

574
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.760
his younger self. But it was
so worth that. It was so cool.

575
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.280
I had incredible people around me,
you know, my, my,

576
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:57.719
my, my co stars, but
also like our great crew, my doubles.

577
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:01.480
I had two doubles I had.
I had one double, Will,

578
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:07.480
who was like definitely, like we're
built the same and you know, and

579
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:12.719
but he was an ace of an
arm, like just consistent dimes and you

580
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:16.079
need that because there's a lot of
shots where it needs to be super precise

581
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:19.639
and it needs to be very consistent
over and over and over again. I

582
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.480
could throw a really good ball,
and I could even throw pretty consistently,

583
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.920
but not so much where time is
money and you're like, yo, we

584
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.880
got to get this shot, like
right now, right. So Will was

585
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:35.920
awesome, so good ace. I
had another double named Deeke, and Deeke

586
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:42.360
was two inches taller, twenty pounds
heavier, and the one taking all the

587
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.719
big hits. I took hits.
I took some some decent hits, but

588
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.800
like, you know, they can't
hurt me. They only wanted me.

589
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.639
Yeah, they throwed like you know, we needed to have a shot where

590
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.480
Kurt's like running and like jumping standing
the ball over the goal line and then

591
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.280
it gets hit from the side and
helicopters in mid air, taking a massive

592
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:06.119
He had a hematoma on his elbow
at one point that was so big and

593
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:07.320
I was like, dude, you
need to get that taken care of his

594
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:13.719
half. I was gonna get ahead
again anyway. I'm gonna get hit again

595
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:17.440
anyway. But and A Paquin was
so great as Brenda, and you know,

596
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.239
yeah everybody, I mean, it
was a really fantastic experience. And

597
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:23.880
it's really you know, it's a
very small grounded movie. I mean,

598
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.920
you know, yeah, yeah,
but it was great. Yeah, great,

599
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.000
Wow, what a great memory.
Yeah, well they've all been.

600
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:35.760
I mean, even if in the
moment sometimes working on something can be you

601
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.880
know, even traumatic, little tax
thing, taxing. Yeah, but all

602
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.119
of those things, I really feel
like they've all been at this point in

603
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.119
my life. You know, uh, they'll they can all be redeemed.

604
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.599
Like you can learn from all of
that, you can grow through all of

605
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.239
that. It's important to have empathy
and grace with those people that might have

606
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:57.880
made it a horrible experience, and
you learn through that empathy and ultimately,

607
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.199
you know, it's crazy how it
works, but you know, the way

608
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:05.320
the way God works, the universe
whatever, but you you put into these

609
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:09.400
things, it might feel like a
really wonky experience. And yet somehow out

610
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:13.800
of the ashes, something really cool
is created through all of that. And

611
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.360
so, you know, I don't
know, but not that that. I

612
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:20.360
mean, that had its own challenges, particularly that we were shooting in the

613
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.440
pandemic and all that jazz, But
overall, that was definitely an enjoyable experience.

614
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:27.920
And yeah, I'm really grateful for
him. Yeah. Well, speaking

615
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.960
of your previous work, we also
had Jack Grazer on the podcast. Oh

616
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.360
no kidding, Yeah, Oh,
I love Jack so much. Yeah,

617
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.840
he's a good guy. He's such
a good kid. He he's so talented,

618
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:42.519
like he's wickedly talented. He reminds
me of me when I was young.

619
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.119
Yeah. Yeah, and he busted
out his guitar. Yes, hell

620
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:51.159
of a guitar. Yeah. He's
a really position Yeah, but he really

621
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:55.440
is man like you know, and
his mom, Angela, is a wonderful

622
00:43:55.480 --> 00:44:04.079
woman who I like with that kind
of energy and talent, you know,

623
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.440
it's hard as a parent, like
you want to you want them to flourish,

624
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:09.599
but also you got to protect them, you got to guide them,

625
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:14.400
you got to do all these things. And and uh, and Jack is

626
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.679
I mean literally he's got more energy
than an atom bomb. I mean he's

627
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:23.519
just he's so full of life and
energy and everything and all that talent,

628
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:28.199
and so it's been really I mean
to work with him. He was like

629
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.760
thirteen when we did the first one, and you don't meet a lot of

630
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:32.840
thirteen year olds that have that kind
of sense of humor, that understanding,

631
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.199
right and being present and being in
character. And I was it was so

632
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.679
cool that we got to, you
know, really have that two hand.

633
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:43.840
Or in the second movie, we
barely got to work together because we were

634
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.920
the A and B storylines, right, but we still had a wonderful time.

635
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:52.440
And I just I have I just
I have so much love for him

636
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.079
and I and I genuinely I think
that he's just one of the most talented

637
00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:00.559
young actors on the scene. I
can't wait to see can't wait to see

638
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.199
what he does next. He really
is. Yeah, he disappears into the

639
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.440
role, yes for sure. Yeah. Well and that yeah, that's just

640
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:13.400
you know, really just kind of
choosing to fully commit false end as the

641
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:19.239
kids say. Nowadays, he full
sends into the character and just think very

642
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:23.000
present in that. Yeah. And
and and his energy because he's such an

643
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:28.800
electric, just naturally person, it
gives that life that that energy to that

644
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.679
character, which I think kind of
gives it an extra little edge of interest.

645
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.559
One more thing to bring up.
I was a big fan of Chuck,

646
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.480
thanks big fan, And I feel
like it never really got like the

647
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:45.800
publicity it deserved. Like it,
I don't know, I don't deserver Listen.

648
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:51.440
I if I had a nickel for
every project I did that I think

649
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.119
didn't get the look that it deserved. Yeah, I'd have at least a

650
00:45:54.159 --> 00:46:00.719
couple of nickels, maybe ten,
fifteen, twenty five cents. But but

651
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:06.480
Chuck is one of those nickels for
sure. I it's I don't know,

652
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.280
man, Like you know, we
were making network television in the death throes

653
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:15.000
of network television. What do you
mean by that? Well, by the

654
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:20.000
time we were making Chuck, TiVo
was con was the year two thousand and

655
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:25.760
seven was our first year, But
we started to t VO right before that.

656
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:30.719
I'm pretty sure a DVR kind of
hit the scene, right, Yeah,

657
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:36.360
and so where what what ended up
happening? It's so funny that TVO

658
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:40.679
doesn't even exist anymore. But everything
is TV, yeah, everybody. But

659
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:46.800
what ends up ends up happening is
then, which is obviously the obvious conclusion.

660
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:52.159
Which nobody wanted to really acknowledge.
But it once DVR hit the scene,

661
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:57.679
well guess what, nobody's watching commercials
anymore. Commercials are the thing that

662
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.960
is the lifeblood of network television.
You're not cable, you're not paying for

663
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:06.719
the subscription or sorry, premium cable. And even in cable, they still

664
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:08.800
got hit in the same way.
All of it was still advertisement based,

665
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.159
I mean, all of it.
That's how it all worked. So once

666
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.039
people could go, you know,
like right through all of those commercials,

667
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.400
that's a TVO callback by the way, that's the noise for all of you

668
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:24.840
gen zers out there. Yeah,
by the way, you always do that,

669
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:28.159
and then you would blow right by
the point you were trying to get

670
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:34.480
to anyway. But once that all
happened and the writing was on the wall,

671
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.760
like nobody network television, the ratings
are going to continue to drop and

672
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:43.559
drop and drop and drop. And
so we were the network television was the

673
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:45.840
was the patient on the table on
life support. We just we were in

674
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:49.760
those death throws. We were one
of the last kind of I mean,

675
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.119
which is not to say the network
television still doesn't exist right now, but

676
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.440
barely. It's it's it's barely hanging
on. It's not you know, it's

677
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:58.800
not what it is, It's not
what it ever was, and it's transformed

678
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.800
into streaming exactly. Well yes,
well yes, and no, streaming is

679
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:07.880
a different type of of of serious
the same people controlling it. No,

680
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:12.800
I mean you have Paramount Plus,
you have Peacock, you have right,

681
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.199
Yes, Peacock and NBC are roughly
the same people, right, yes,

682
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:20.880
yeah, yeah, but Paramount plus. There's no network. It's necessarily can

683
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:28.039
I network television is specifically NBCCBS,
ABC, Fox, Fox, Right that

684
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:31.199
that's CW. Well, upn came
on the scene, and then it was

685
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:36.400
UPN Warner Brothers, and then they
that all kind of became CW. Now

686
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:40.719
even CW is basically cooked. A
whole other company bought CW, and now

687
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:44.679
they're getting rid of all of their
scripted shows and they're all going to do

688
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:49.719
a bunch of garbage reality television because
it's cheap as fuck, and they and

689
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.360
they don't have any money. They're
not getting the same money anymore. People

690
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.679
aren't paying the ads. Pepsi and
Toyota and everybody else are like, well,

691
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:59.280
hang on a second, why are
we giving you fifty dollars for a

692
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.039
sixty second when no one's watching the
channel, right, so it doesn't make

693
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:07.599
any sense. Chuck unfortunately suffered because
of all that. Chuck was coming toward

694
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.840
the end of it, and our
ratings would continue to kind of go down.

695
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:14.480
By the way, the ratings we
got then, if we had those

696
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:16.760
same numbers now, we'd be a
massive success. But of course we wouldn't

697
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:20.960
gonna have those numbers now because those
numbers don't exist. But at that time,

698
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:22.679
we were getting numbers that networks were
still like, no, we don't

699
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.719
know, we're still looking for,
you know, whatever they had in the

700
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:30.880
late nineties early two thousands, which
was the pinnacle of network television. That

701
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.480
was when Friends and Seinfeld was like, you can't even imagine the amount.

702
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:38.800
When there were only three networks on
television, by by the way, CBS,

703
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:45.199
ABC, NBC, there were only
three options really to watch television.

704
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:52.639
That's why all of those like yeah, but you know, but but but

705
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:54.679
Neils and ratings. The reason why
that even works, which by the way,

706
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:58.039
was literally just calling up certain homes
and be like, what were you

707
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:01.239
watching tonight? The reason why that
worked is because there was only three options

708
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:05.480
anyway, So if you did if
you called, out of one hundred people,

709
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:08.400
if fifty percent of them you called
and said, I was watching Cheers,

710
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:14.119
you know that half the fucking nation
was watching Cheers. And they were.

711
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:17.519
And that meant if Pepsi paid money
to have a commercial on and there

712
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:22.320
was no TVO, everyone is watching
ted Dance and then everybody yum yuck it

713
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.639
up, and then they're watching a
Pepsi commercial that is exactly what they're doing.

714
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:28.960
That's right, you know. So
it all worked, that all works,

715
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:31.440
and then it all started falling apart, and we were kind of unfortunately

716
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:36.360
in the ends of all of that. And so every year, because of

717
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:39.679
our ratings, NBC would basically go
to Warner Brothers and say, hey,

718
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:43.320
listen, we're not going to pay
so much to license the show, will

719
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.920
pay less. And then Warner Brothers
would be like, uh, okay,

720
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:52.119
Well, first what NBC would do
is they'd have a whole new lineup of

721
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.000
pilots that they would think, maybe
we're going to go get a show that

722
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:58.039
we think is going to be better
than Chuck. So every year we thought

723
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.119
we were gonna get canceled. Our
head was on the chopping block. And

724
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.039
then of course the pilots would come
through, they'd look at them all and

725
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:08.159
they go, maybe we'll just keep
Chuck around one more season. But then

726
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:10.840
they go back to Warner Brothers and
they say, we're gonna license it for

727
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.800
less, and then Warner Brothers,
trying to keep it going, be like,

728
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:15.920
Okay, well then I guess we'll
make it for less, and then

729
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:21.320
our budget would get cut every single
year. They're not investing a whole bunch

730
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.239
more money into advertising show like that. Yeah, it's really unfortunate. It's

731
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:29.440
really unfortunate that I don't think a
lot of those people saw the charm and

732
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.440
the value and the worth in what
I believe to be. And by the

733
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:36.440
way, and I know it to
be because every single convention or whatever I

734
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:39.840
go to, well, the messages
I get on validation social media, the

735
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:44.159
amount of people that still find Chuck
now, not even the old viewers.

736
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:47.039
People keep finding it on either it
was Netflix for a while, then Amazon.

737
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:51.039
Now we're on HBO Max because we're
a Warner Brothers showy And the amount

738
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.159
of new audience members that find it
and they come and find me at conventions

739
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:55.960
and they go, where was I
How did I miss this? I go,

740
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.760
I don't know where were you,
Yeah, we'd still on television.

741
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:02.239
I mean I hope not. Actually
two thousand and seven to now, that's

742
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:06.920
a long would I would have lost
my mind by this point. Still Chuck.

743
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.159
But I do hope one day I
get to make some Chuck movies.

744
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:12.519
That's been the goal. That's been
the goal, because the show was all

745
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.280
every episode was a little action movie
of the week. There's no reason why

746
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:19.920
we can't do an hour and a
half version of that every year or so

747
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:23.239
and just do another mission and have
another cool like you know, eighties action

748
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:29.400
star be the New bad Guy or
whatever. Oh man checking Chuck an Ey.

749
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:32.480
There was an episode of the Office
that had a cardboard cutout of you.

750
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:37.159
Yes, yes, when they were
selling their like triangular iPad. Yeah.

751
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:42.280
Yeah. I remember when they came
to me and they asked me.

752
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.840
They go NBC's asking if they can
use your image to put in an episode

753
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:47.440
of the Office. I was like, say, less, like, what

754
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:52.039
are you talking about? Put me
in that show? Massive fan of all

755
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:54.920
let me see? Yes, yes
exactly, Yeah, Oh that's funny,

756
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:58.039
that's cool. Thanks for sharing that. Absolutely, Yeah, no, was

757
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:04.079
kidding. I have two more words
for you, gal Gado. Gal I

758
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:14.079
think is one of the most stunning. Uh, although that's not an uncommonly

759
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:21.159
held belief. I've met her very
briefly one time when the end of Suzan

760
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.039
Fury the Gods, we had to
shoot her in Europe. She was shooting

761
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:28.079
a whole other movie and they shot
me and then we kind of spliced thething

762
00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:31.920
together. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, definitely. But it was very cool

763
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:37.679
of her too, you know,
because they approached her said would you be

764
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:39.760
willing to you know, to do
this and have Wonder Woman be a part

765
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:43.760
of the end of the movie,
and and obviously she said yes. And

766
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:45.920
I was so honored by that,
you know that that she saw enough value

767
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:50.719
in our franchise that she would want
to do that. And yeah, knocked

768
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:54.639
me up. Yes, it was
so cool. Oh damn, yeah,

769
00:53:54.880 --> 00:54:02.039
you know that that kind of yeah
or not shaz Am, but nothing would

770
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:05.960
have happened, but it'd be really
cool. I would love I mean,

771
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:07.719
if I get the opportunity to places
am anymore, which I which would be

772
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:12.800
a lot of fun to do.
But if so, it'd be really fun

773
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:16.400
to you know, have more crossover
with Wonder Woman or there's no talks of

774
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:20.760
Justice Society. It is kind of
teased teach. I don't know, man,

775
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:23.360
I don't know. That's all way
above my pay grade. You know,

776
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:28.239
it's it's it's it's a really interesting
world, and for so many reasons.

777
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.760
I mean, we just literally just
came out of a strike, multiple

778
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:37.960
strikes, finally an hour ago,
and funny suffering right now. So you

779
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:42.760
know, all the studios are as
they as they should be, a need

780
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:46.320
to be. They're now all looking
at what they need to do to make

781
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:51.719
sure that these contracts not only we
hold to them, we respect all of

782
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.639
this, but we can all move
forward in a new ecosystem of working together

783
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:59.679
that can hopefully last well beyond three
years. But as we were all talking

784
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:02.599
about, well you know earlier before
the POD, I worry about that.

785
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:07.880
I think AI. I don't want
to come across as alarmists or doomsday or

786
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:09.920
anything. But I've been tracking this
stuff for a long time. I love

787
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:15.079
tech and and and future and all
these things, and and AI is not

788
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:17.480
going away. And more than it's
not going away, it is not going

789
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:21.079
to stop. And it is going
to get better and better and better and

790
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.400
better and better and better and better
and better and better, and it won't

791
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:30.400
stop getting better. And that means
it will eventually replace every human job on

792
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:34.159
the planet. We the entertainment industry
happened to be the canary and the coal

793
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:38.239
mine. We are a an industry
of fiction. We are an industry of

794
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:43.519
of of content which is all put
together anyway that you know, you know

795
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:52.159
it's artificially so now it's and now
that unreal engine you know in video graphics

796
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:58.320
engine unreal engine, uh is is
we're at photorealism and what graphics can do

797
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:02.079
in video games and everything. So
the blinds are all going to blur.

798
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:07.199
They're already blurring so much. By
the way, I highly highly please,

799
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:12.440
I highly recommend we all move into
the rest of the future together recognizing that

800
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.440
the things that you are going to
see and hear on the news and on

801
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:20.320
the internet are not necessarily true.
And I and I this is not me

802
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.039
looking at everything that's going on in
the news right now, and that's all

803
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:27.199
bullshit and lies. I'm just saying
we all need to be very cognizant that

804
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.039
we have to question these things.
You have to take everything with a grain

805
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:36.119
of salt, because reality and fiction
are now thoroughly blended, and they're only

806
00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:43.159
going to become more blended. And
the more that Meta and Apple and now

807
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.960
we're all throwing headsets on and the
whole metaverse is going to start looking more

808
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:50.159
photorealistic. And that means more and
more people are going to go start slipping

809
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:54.159
into this matrix, and that is
all going to start looking like exactly the

810
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:58.639
real world, which means once you
come out of it with everyone, I

811
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:00.880
mean, we could literally have right
now, you have an avatar. It

812
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:05.440
looks like an avatar almost right.
But I don't know if anybody's seen this,

813
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:07.800
but Mark Zuckerberg and others have already
scanned their bodies there. It's like

814
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:13.440
them in there. It's photo realism
right now, which means also if I

815
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:15.199
wanted to, I could scan me
and I could be me in there,

816
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:21.119
or I could decide to use somebody
else's body scan entirely and just that's my

817
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:23.519
avatar. I'm now I'm walking around
like you. It looks like Jim Cummens

818
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:27.440
walking around, but it actually sounds
like me because it's me with the headset

819
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:30.440
on. So what's gonna happen is
that we're gonna come out of this.

820
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:32.239
And also, even when you come
out of the meta or out of the

821
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:37.320
metaverse, you're still looking through your
devices. We're all gonna have like you

822
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:42.360
know, kind of like ar heads
up display glasses or our phones are all

823
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:44.880
going to be tapped into this stuff. Like, guys, it's here,

824
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:51.559
it's right now, it's right now. It's not I know it sounds crazy,

825
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.000
but we we are. Well maybe
not to you guys, but I

826
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:58.400
mean to a lot of people I
talk to, they're calm down. I'm

827
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.159
like, no, this is not
is a hopskipp and a jump away.

828
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:07.360
We are at like we were talking
about before, we are at this inflection

829
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:13.519
point right now where it's insane to
say, but that we have to decidedly

830
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:17.840
as a collective consciousness. That's humanity. We have to decide if we are

831
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:27.280
going to either purchase and support products
and services provided by actual humans or by

832
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:30.320
robots with AI in them, or
or computers with a Sometimes it does not

833
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:37.280
even require a robot. Sometimes it's
all just within other jobs because people say,

834
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:38.320
well, you know, maybe you
can go make a song with a

835
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:44.000
computer, but like, who's going
to go deliver that pizza or those ups

836
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:45.239
boxes. Guess what, guys,
it's already starting to happen. You see

837
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:50.559
those little carts around going that's just
gonna get better and better and better.

838
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:54.920
Go look at Boston Dynamics. Go
to Boston Dynamics website. Their most recent

839
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:59.119
which is almost a year ago now, maybe six seven, eight months,

840
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:05.119
I don't know. Their most recent
display of their technology of what their robot

841
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:09.760
can do is so insane. It's
so cool. But think about it in

842
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:13.559
a less cool way, which is, oh my god, this is what

843
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:16.199
they can do. Also, you're
seeing, we're seeing what they want us

844
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:20.320
to see, not necessarily bout some
dynamics, but they work with DARPA,

845
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.880
they work with the government. Guys. The government probably has levels of all

846
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:28.840
this technology that's already above what we
are aware of and what's going on.

847
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:34.079
Oh so just know, just know
we're there. It's not the singularity yet,

848
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:37.880
we're not at fully sentient AI.
God forbid we ever actually get to

849
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:42.599
that place, because that's super scary. That's what like, all these you

850
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:45.199
know, six of ten of the
top minds in the world about AI are

851
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:50.239
all saying, uh, if we're
not careful, and it will destroy all

852
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:52.639
of humanity. Right, that's the
sky net thing. That's the whole deal.

853
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:59.360
So like barring that though, barring
us all actually being eliminated literally physically

854
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:04.079
killed or whatever, or it will
destroy all of our jobs because corporations will

855
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:07.119
do it because it's it's all They're
all about margins and bottom lines and like,

856
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:07.840
well, you know, money's money
guys. Sorry, you know,

857
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:10.840
blah blah blah. If we can
replace you, we will, and they

858
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:14.480
will because human beings are a pain
in the ass. We need to have

859
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:17.480
piss brakes and eat food and actually
get paid. They don't want to do

860
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:21.440
any of those things. I mean, look at Amazon warehouses. They're barely

861
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:24.639
paying their actual live employees and giving
they're not giving them breaks, they're not

862
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:30.119
doing this, and now they're starting
to replace them all with automation. It's

863
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:34.119
happening now. So we have to
choose. We have to choose as a

864
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:37.320
people around the world, in every
industry, we have to say I will

865
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:39.800
either, because here's the thing,
and we don't all do it. It's

866
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:44.840
not gonna happen if every if all
of a sudden right now, if everybody

867
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.719
right now says, listen, you
know, like Hollywood's at a good actors

868
01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:51.119
made a lot of money, Like
you know, if I can go have

869
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:55.800
AI produced video games and voiceover and
cartoons and movies and TV and music and

870
01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:00.159
everything, and it costs me a
fraction because of by the way it will

871
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:04.000
a full human made movie will cost
you twenty bucks, and the studios will

872
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:07.000
make will prompt an ai movie that
will look amazing, and they'll charge you

873
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.400
five bucks. And by the way, you'll get your face and voice scanned

874
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:13.079
into it, and you get to
be the fucking star of the movie.

875
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:15.599
Who doesn't want to go do that
shit? And that's where they're gonna get

876
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:17.800
us, So they will. That's
what they're gonna try and divide us.

877
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:22.840
We have to We can't. We
can't give it. You can't give in.

878
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:24.840
We can't give into that temptation that
apple you do not. We can't

879
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:28.800
because if you do, we're all
out of work, which means we don't

880
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.039
make money, which means we can't
support your fucking business. We can't buy

881
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:35.159
your goods, we can't go to
your restaurant and you eat your food.

882
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:37.599
Well, where you're a number of
people that they can use, it will

883
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:43.159
be no future fodder, no so
to speak, no no, so wow,

884
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:45.280
that all took a very big turn. But I think I feel like

885
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:47.599
it's a good thing. It's a
good thing to kind of wrap it all

886
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:51.559
up on you. We gotta do
it. We gotta do it. We

887
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:55.159
have got to stay the course if
we we literally it's a larger version of

888
01:01:55.159 --> 01:02:04.719
the strike we just ended. We
have to as humanity strike again against against

889
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:09.039
against robots, and against AI.
We have to do it. I don't

890
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:13.280
I don't have a problem with AI
being a tool in a human's toolbox.

891
01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:16.760
Right. If it's replacing humans,
we have to be very careful about how

892
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:21.719
many humans it's displacing. It will
displace humans, there's no doubt about that.

893
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:27.840
But listen, we're at the precipice
of one single human, some kid

894
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:34.440
sitting in his living room with a
computer and super powerful AI that can just

895
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.280
prompt anything they want to be created. A movie, right, a movie.

896
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:42.000
I want this movie boom. And
it's amazing. Now what we're gonna

897
01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:44.559
do is and we're all gonna be
tempted into this, and we're also gonna

898
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:46.920
be conditioned into this by the powers
that be. I believe they're gonna say,

899
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:51.719
isn't that amazing? Isn't it amazing
that this kid who had no access

900
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:57.719
to anything and no ability to be
educated or what reason whatever, but his

901
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:00.519
imagination and how cool it is,
and they could create whatever they want.

902
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.280
What are the amazing world? This
is to go ah cool in a vacuum.

903
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:08.960
But that movie that that kid just
created replaced thousands of jobs, hundreds

904
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:13.079
at least. But in the in
the multitudes, every one of those that's

905
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:15.440
made is another hunt. Where the
hell is the progress? Where's the progress?

906
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:19.280
There is none? Well, no, the progress is all going to

907
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.400
be digital. The progress and the
money will all go to all the people

908
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:25.639
that were sitting at home. But
again, we have to do it together.

909
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:29.719
We have to choose to go eat
at restaurants that have real servers and

910
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:32.440
not robots. You know, I'm
serious. This is all the future three

911
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:35.960
years from now, five years from
now, ten years years from now,

912
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:38.519
if there even is still a world
to protect, this is the choice.

913
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.159
These are the choices we have to
make, you know. I remember the

914
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:45.400
first time I was in a restaurant
where I said, can I ear anything?

915
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:52.159
And it was a lady who looked
like she worked there as a waiters,

916
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:54.880
And I said, well, yeah, oh no, I have to

917
01:03:54.920 --> 01:04:00.280
do I have to download something.
But you're right here, you're you're there,

918
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:05.119
You're I'm working with you. Well
but true, But I and this

919
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:09.719
isn't just because I've been trying to
develop an app that kind of has something

920
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:13.360
to do with that. But you
need any we go listen. I don't

921
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:15.719
mind. I've been thinking this was
gonna happen for a long time. A

922
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.440
QR code with a thing on your
phone. Now you always have the they

923
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:20.840
don't have to print more menus.
It's good for the environment. They can

924
01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:23.719
change it whenever they need to.
I mean whatever, I don't know,

925
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:30.960
I don't mind doing that. I
hate the environment. You heard it right

926
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:35.039
here, folks. The environment.
Yeah, you know it's gonna be there

927
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:42.079
anyway. Yeah, and oh god, okay, I made that up before

928
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:45.320
we finished, though. You promised
us one more story about Sweden and Midsummer.

929
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:50.519
Oh listen. Midsummer, which is
this incredible you know, time of

930
01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:55.360
celebration and festival whatnot in the Scandinavian
countries. I got to go to Sweden

931
01:04:55.400 --> 01:05:00.480
this last summer and celebrated with a
bunch of wonderful friends and it's such a

932
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.519
cool time. The festivities are all
great, by the way, the city

933
01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:09.760
of Stockholm is awesome. The Swedes
are excellent people, just genuinely do they

934
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:14.039
have a syndrome not that I could
tell, but I'll check into that.

935
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:17.480
And we went to this also,
this place called Gutland, which actually used

936
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:19.639
to be like not just the capital
of Sweden, but like the capital of

937
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:27.119
the entire kind of Viking empire really
and all really beautiful stuff. Is this

938
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:32.079
as guard very as guardian, But
it's so fun because you know, the

939
01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:39.360
farther north you go, the deeper
your light in your seasons either you know,

940
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:43.280
at ebbs and flows, and so
you know, in the dead of

941
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:46.960
winter in those Norse Scandinavian countries,
they're pretty darn far north, which means

942
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:51.679
their winters are long and dark and
they're harsh, which is why they even

943
01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:55.280
I'm sure, created this thing called
midsummer, which is like, oh my

944
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:59.840
god, we're getting as much possible
sun as we can and and all of

945
01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:01.760
that vitamin D and all of like
let's you know, the fertility of it

946
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:04.719
all seriously and all of it,
and so they go ham like it's a

947
01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:10.639
really wonderful time. And also though
the sun dips below the horizon, the

948
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:15.440
sky still stays like kind of like
blue, it doesn't ever really get black.

949
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.719
So your mind is telling you let's
go. You know, you're like

950
01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:21.159
you just kind of keep rolling with
it. That's interesting. Yeah, so

951
01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:26.400
highly recommend Midsummer if anybody ever gets
the opportunity. Not like the movie with

952
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:30.239
Florence Pugh, which was a fantastic
movie, but that was not my experience.

953
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:35.119
Wow. Well, thanks for having
you guys. Thank you, thank you.