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So there you go. I'm giving
you something to do right at the

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beginning, and there's something to handle
immediately here. Wrongful deaths. Interesting that

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phrase to me. Okay, so
I'm joined by missus Z. Of course

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we could be joined by other people
giving us journalistic views on future shows.

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I'm batting that idea around as well, but let's just see how it goes.

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Anyway, missus Z, how about
you help me out and tell me

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what a wrongful death is. According
to the definition, okay, wrongful death

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the death of a human being as
the results of a wrongful act of another

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person suss. Wrong flacks include negligence
like caless driving, an intentional attack such

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as assault and or battery, a
death in the course of another crime,

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vehicular manslaughter, manslaughter or murder.
Okay, And some of this stuff has

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been in the news lately, and
there are many many different things we could

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reference, and in the next segment
we'll get into some of the history.

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But let's talk about one of the
most recent ones that might immediately spurn one

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of those new lawsuits. And again
we're not getting into the courtroom action necessarily,

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I don't want to do that.
But the fact that there is a

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wrongful death concept one begs the question, is there such a thing as a

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rightful death or a righteous death?
Okay, if someone is murdered, manslaughtered,

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accidentally killed, negligently homicided, etc. Yes, I know I didn't

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use the timber properly, but nonetheless
you get the idea. If that happens,

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is there a rightful way? Is
there a righteous way? That's always

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my question, and I guess that's
the question. Maybe we'll try an answer

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here. But anyway, in a
recent news story, there's a wife of

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a man who died. This is
from let's see the Yahoo news under insider,

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and I'll give you the links to
all this stuff. In the show

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notes, the wife of a man
who died after starting a fight at a

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Patriots game says her husband was verbally
taunted by other fans. Authorities say they're

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trying to figure out what happened.
And this was published on the twenty first,

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excuse me, of September twenty twenty
three, that thing allegedly according to

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a calendar, So this was only
published a few days ago, because it's

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the twenty fourth as I speak.
And one does wonder right away if there's

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going to be a wrongful death suit
against the stadium where the Patriots play,

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or if it'll be against the crowd, certain members of the crowd that will

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probably be identified through CTV, etc. Yeah, And is there a rightful

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death here? Possible? I mean, is this just a brawl from a

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season ticket holder that that somebody could
say as well? Just incidental? I

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mean, is incidental something it just
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just happens. Is it a rightful
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in a military context? Oh wait
a minute, that's a whole other,

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ugly legalistic problem. Anyway, It's
not about the legalistic end of it.

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It's just about the phrase and what
it means. A wrongful death seems like

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if the death came prematurely, it's
altogether wrongful no matter what. And in

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other cases you get, you know, charges of stuff, right, which

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means I guess we're going to have
to go into some history. But again,

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let's go into some more recent history
and tap into some of these other

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things. Everybody remember that guy Brandon
Laundry, Right, he disappeared for a

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while, and so did his girlfriend. What was your name again, Gabby?

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Right, Gabby Potito? Is that
what it was Anyways, I remember

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her, I remember him. What
are your thoughts on that, missus?

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Oh, well, his name is
Brian, Brian Laundry, that's Brian Laundry.

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Well, the parents of of Gabby
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They're saying that that the parents of
Brian Laundry knew where he was all that

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time when he was missing, so
they sued wrongful death lawsuit against them.

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And they're also suing the Utah police
because they were pulled over before obviously before

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she was killed. They were they
were fighting and some people called the police

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and they pulled them over and they
separated them for a while and they had

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to say in separate hotel rooms for
the night to cool off. But the

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parents of Gavy Petito are suing the
mobs Utah police for fifty million dollars.

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And we all remember that viral clip
because that was a big deal for a

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long time, all over the media
of all sorts, right, people analyzing

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it taking a look at it,
the bodycam footage when they were separating,

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debating about what this was is this
domestic violence wasn't heard just off for meds,

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etc. But we have a clip
from NBC News about the current circumstance,

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which is that wrongful death lawsuit.
This is from Let's see is this?

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I guess it's a short from YouTube
on NBC News. Let's just play

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the audio for you guys, and
we'll hear it for ourselves here, so

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you and I will both mute up. Missus, Oh and take a listen

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to this. Judge and Florida is
a warning Gavy Petito's family three million dollars

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and their wrongful death lawsuit against Brian
Laundry's parents alleged the Laundries knew that their

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son murdered Thea Tito last August.
The money will go towards the Gappy Patito

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Foundation. Yeah, okay, so
that was a real short, well edited

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clip to tell you that that one
was handled. So they were awarded three

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million dollars in a wrongful death lawsuit
against Brian Laundry's parents because again their claim

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being that they knew exactly where he
was, they knew where she was,

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they knew what was going on.
Maybe they knew she had he had already

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killed her and didn't turn him in
and therefore they're involved. Now, wait

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a minute, is that accessory after
the fact? I mean, because clearly

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this was a murder or homicide of
some sort. Well, could have been

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a manslaughter. I guess a little
difference. Oh, het getting into the

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legalistic end of it. But it's
a wrongful death and they're holding not him

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responsible because well he and around nowhere. He's gone, but the parents are

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still around and they're getting held responsible. So what are your thoughts on that?

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Like the parents maybe knowing that something
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pulled in and that's three mill that's
I mean, I don't know if they're

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ever going to collect it or I
don't remember what the Gabby Petito Foundation is,

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but I know they started a foundation
of sorts. But anyways, what

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are your thoughts on that? Missus
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they can prove that they knew about
it. How do you prove that?

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That's a good question. I mean, I guess you could say that,

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you know, since they maybe there's
physical proof that they were with him at

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the time. Who knows, with
all the recordings being taken to people nowadays,

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maybe there was a back and forth. Hey Dad, you know what

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happened. I know what happened.
We'll just leave it at that and maybe

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he was getting ready to upload it
to his Instagram or something, because these

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people were constantly uploading things to Instagram
and stuff. Right, yeah, on

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their trips they were. But there
was always people after the fact, when

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he had come home by himself,
there were always people outside their house screaming,

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you know, with bullhorns, about
turning him in and tell us where

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he is. But at the end
of the day, how can you prove,

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like, let's just say that that
you did something wrong and I'm bringing

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you food and whatnot unless I physically
get caught doing it. How can you

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prove that I know where you were
and I knew about it, And unless

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you know, I say something that
clearly they didn't say anything, turn their

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son in, give him up.
So I don't understand how you can actually

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prove it beyond the shadow of a
doubt that they knew. Now, grant

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it's not criminal, it's civil,
but it's still a lawsuit and you're claiming

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that they knew everything about it.
I just don't understand how it can be

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absolutely proven. I hate the fact
that we got to go back again into

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courtroom drama. Screw that, you
know what, why is it their responsibility?

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How about if their son. Do
we know? I mean, look

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at it this way. If you
came to give me food and I was

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on the run somewhere, and maybe
I told you, even if you saw

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in the news that I was a
suspect, a prime suspect, the only

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suspect, and I said, do
you listen, I'm hiding over here.

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I didn't do what they said I
did. I don't know what to do,

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but I'm hiding over here. I'm
trying to figure out what to do.

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And you brought me food, you
gave me a comfort, shelter,

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assistance. You know, how do
they know that? That's it's almost like

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you gotta know what was in somebody's
mind. Were they participate? And besides

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that, how are they responsible for
the death? This is after the fact.

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I'm not looking for the legal answer. I'm talking about, how is

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it that they're responsible? You see, you are responsible. You're being held

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liable, You're being held responsible for
a wrongful death. Well what part of

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the death did they participated? You
see what I'm saying? Like, even

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if you say, okay, they
helped him, knew he did it,

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so they're helping him get away,
all right, I guess that's part of

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it. But what what what I
mean? They're not in on the death

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itself. It's not like Dad called
him up and said, look, hit

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her on the head this hard and
she'll go. You know, you know

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what I'm saying, right, So
what does that mean? Yeah? I

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mean and and like you said,
they're they're also going to go ahead and

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start a suit with the you know, the MOAD police Department because they didn't

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look into it hard enough. Cool. I get that part, uh,

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But but still I wonder, Well, that's that's a judgment call. That's

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a little difficult. And it's like, you know, Okay, there's no

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way with humans involved in the equation, you're always going to make the right

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decision. I mean, wow,
am I going to defend a copy here?

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I might? Uh, there's no
way with humans involved in the decision

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that the decision is always going to
be the best one. In hindsight,

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you'll be able to see things.
But does that mean, hey, look,

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we better get more intense about flagging
down on every single thing that looks

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even the least bit suspicious, just
in case something else goes wrong in the

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future, because we'll be responsible for
a wrongful death. See again, they

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didn't participate in the death, and
was it blatant on their part? I

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mean, did they see the guy
standing over at her with a knife and

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go, well, look it looks
like they're play acting. We'll just let

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it go. I mean, it's
not an egregious, stupid thing that these

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guys did negligence. It seems like
to me. I don't know. I'll

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tell you what else. I tried
to pull up the article for the kid

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who died in the gym matt,
which look, I was going to read

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from the article, but it keeps
popping a virus on me. Thank you

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thirteen MSA News. I keep trying
to go to it because it happened in

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Georgia. Okay, and yeah,
there's stupid website is loaded with some McAfee

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crap that is trying to invade my
computer. So I'm not going to go

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to that article. But in case
people don't remember, you know what I'm

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talking about, missus, Oh the
case with the kid in the in the

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who was in the gym matt that
was rolled up and dead. Do you

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want me to try to get the
article? No, I don't even try

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to get the article, just go
from memory. If you wouldn't mind,

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and you know, just talk about
this with me, because look, they're

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gonna go for a one billion dollars
suit according to thirteen maz right. I

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mean, I guess they're going to
try and sue everybody, the school,

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the police, everybody. And clearly
that investigation appears to have been botched and

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not handled properly. But I asked
again, are they involved in the death?

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I mean, to my to my
understanding, we still don't have an

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answer as to who was actually involved
in the death of this kid, do

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we h. No, they're saying
that it was an accident that he fell

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head first into the rolled up jim
trying to get his sneaker. His name

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is Kendrick Johnson. Happened in Valdosta, Valdosta, George in twenty thirteen,

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right, ten years ago. Ten
years ago. They claimed this kid died

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of as a result of an accident. But maybe he didn't. And what

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about the investigation and who was involved? Because I mean, he did look

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beat up. I mean, is
it possible that you know, this is

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just the wildly coyote stupid thing that
happened to this kid. I guess that's

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a tragedy. That's terrible. Could
it be that you hold the school responsible

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they should have had things safety better
so that there wasn't this possibility. I

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don't know a lot of things you
could ask, but I want to know

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how it is they're being held responsible, because again, who would morally be

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responsible if this were an accident?
What do you think? Well? I

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think it's a little bit stinky.
I mean the whole Oh yeah, no,

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it it stinks. But yeah,
the two kids that are cues are

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who I wouldn't say cues because they
didn't go to court, but who were

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believed to have had something to do
with it. You know, their father's

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a big investigator with the FBI,
and you know, it seems like an

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awful lot of covering up going on, so, you know, it thinks

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it sounds as though the investigation wasn't
done completely okay, but bad investigation,

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bad pursuit, bad inquiry, mishandling
of law enforcement responsibilities, et cetera.

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Maybe maybe I just concede all that, and I tell you, yeah,

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you know what, you're right,
right, right, right right right?

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Check check check? How are they
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what I'm going I'm looking at the
suit trying to find that the actual court

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papers are are they being sued for
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for incompetence. Well, I saw
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be that there are other lawsuits that
get you know, just kind of swept

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into this headline, swept into this. You know, I don't know file

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so to speak. You know,
Look, it's about the wrongful death.

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Maybe people throw that around, but
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the court. I want to know
how it is. Just let's just look

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at how you can hold somebody responsible
right a wrongful death. I mean,

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even in the case of a vehicle
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you say, okay, they're clearly
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accident. But people die in car
accidents constantly, and unless you can find

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some direct, you know, action
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cars or other vehicle or something's part, there's no wrongful death. It's just

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an accident, you know. So
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do you morally Because first of all, you got to have a moral problem,

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a conundrum, an issue before you
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right, So how do you hold
somebody responsible? I don't know what's going

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on with your computer there, but
how do you hold somebody responsible at all

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for a wrongful death? So anyway, if your computer will let you,

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go ahead and tell us about that. I mean, what do you think?

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I'm sorry? Can you repeat that? I was turning the volume down

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on the computer so I can listen
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you get into it. We're not
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but we are chatting the Sunday Sloper
Segment two and here we go. What

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about the history of this? I
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wrongful death lawsuits. I mean,
they've been around a while, quite a

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while, but really past I don't
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gotten a prominence in the news and
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I also think to myself about the
Martin Luther King Junior thing where there was

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a wrongful death lawsuit. It was
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that in Memphis, and they got
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conspiracy involved there, but there wasn't
a big multimillion dollar reward check into what

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the actual award to the King family
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moral victory. Anyway, I'm still
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maybe we'll see it better if we
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people might have become more litigious in
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two. Maybe they've gotten more access
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lot more lawyers out there because more
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and some of them are out there
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jobs, etc. Etc. And
I guarantee a lot of those guys get

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involved in these wrongful death things.
But there's also a guy named Crumb who

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seems every time that there is someone
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wants to get involved. There's always
settlements lawsuits there. Anyway, I don't

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want to go for the courtroom drama. But let's get a list of the

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historical instances. I think missus O
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way. What website is that top
five from missus O? And go ahead

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and tell us about the top five
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law groups dot com and see to
the site I'm looking at. I can

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drop that in the chat real quick. I'll read their definition of wrongful death

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and then I'll go through the five. Wrongful death is a legal term that,

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although use frequently in litigation and even
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understood. Wrongful death it's a part
of personal injury law. It can encompass

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a variety of claims, including medical
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car accidents. If you hear the
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to a civil suit brought by a
family member or eligible survivor of a person

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who died to someone's negligence or misconduct. Okay, so, in the wrongful

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death lawsuit, the goal is to
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punitive, and non economic. Even
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lost, wrongful death lawsuits may still
be pursued. Some of the most famous

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wrongful death cases include State of California
versus O. Jason's. In nineteen ninety

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four, Nicole Brown Simpson, the
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and Ron Goldman were both found dead
from stab wounds outside Brown's Los Angeles

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home. Simpson was acquitted in the
criminal case despite strong evidence signing into the

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murders. A subsequent wrongful death sibbles
claim was filed. The cool Brown's children

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were awarded twelve point six million through
her estate, and the victims families were

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awarded thirty three point five million income
compensatory and peanut of damages in the wrongful

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death decision. Okay, hang on
just a second there, because this is

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actually under RUFO v. Simpson two
thousand and one. Okay, and this

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is from the justia dot com cases
files, and that'll be included with the

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show notes. I'll try and get
it over Toocelly dot com real quick to

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put it in the live chat.
Of course, you can always run back

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to live chat at ochelly dot com
when you want to and get yourself references

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to things that are going on during
the show. Even if fits long after.

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You can roll it back according to
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you like. But you never know, you never know what it is.

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We might drop in there. So
I put the descriptor for that lawsuit in

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at the chat room. Anyway.
It tells you the number and it says

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it's Sharon Ruffo at all Plaintiffs and
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be OJ in case you didn't know, defendant and appellant Superior Court of Los

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Angeles blah blah. All right,
counsel, they list the council and the

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opinion introduction. Consolidated civil actions arise
from the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and

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Ronald Lyle Goldman. A jury found
the defendant, OJ Orenthal James Simpson committed

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these homicides willfully and wrongfully with oppression
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the parents and heirs of Ronald Goldman, were awarded eight point five million

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compensed story damages on their causes of
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gonna pause there, because when you
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Brown, as personal representative of these
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awarded minor compensatory damages blah blah blah
blah. The cause of action Nicole Brown

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Simpson would have had if yeah,
they like, this is about what she

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would have earned if she had been
allowed to live. Stuff like that awarded

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to her estate. Obviously that involves
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handling at one of the Brown family, Lewis H. Brown. I forget

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who he is exactly, but anyway, the point is that there's compensation involved

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in some cases, and then it's
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ascribed in civil matter, all right. I get that in this kind of

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a case, because the idea is
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acquated on charges in the criminal court, we want a different victory. But

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sometimes these people go after it even
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Sometimes and just like you read in
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it's not the top five lawsuits,
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they just you know, these are
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that there. They're not the top
five, but we only got through one

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so far. I'm gonna let you
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But the deal is there, there's
a bunch there, but I don't

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get some of them. This one
makes sense to me. And this is

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the first one that came to my
mind, even though I mentioned the King

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case, because it's one of the
ones that I've actually had to study and

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read the transcript on that. Okay, but and I read some of this

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stuff before the transcripts from the uh
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kind of deal rufo obviously and all
that. I went through that and Fred

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Golden and was the you know,
the prominent guy he saw in the news

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with the big mustache and everything,
and they certainly went to try and collect

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stuff. And then that later on
led to the whole thing about you know,

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what happened to OJ's memorabilia, and
then the case where he did go

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to prison over that situation in Vegas. And I'm one of these nuts,

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you know, of the opinion that
he probably wasn't guilty of that mess in

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Vegas, but somebody wanted to nail
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Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, but I'll tell you what.

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That's the way it looked to me. And I was watching that trial every

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day, and that trial was in
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thousand and one they finally got this
ruling. So anyway, back to the

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other because that's only one of the
five examples, right, so there's four

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more. Go ahead, missus,
oll give us the other four, all

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right. The next one is Michael
Jackson. In two thousand and nine,

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Michael Jacksons died of an overdose from
the anesthetic football. I don't know if

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I'd pronounced that correct. Mary Jackson
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in two eleven of involuntary homicide.
The Jackson family dropped their wrongful death case

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against doctor Murray, but pursued acclaim
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The Jackson's family ultimately lost that case
in twenty thirteen, but it is

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known as one of the most famous
wrongful death actions. Ah. Okay,

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so there's a case of a loss, and one might say that going after

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the doctor sounds logical if in some
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to his death. Okay, I
could understand that too. But they lost

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that and didn't pursue the doctor.
And one would think the doctor would be

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somebody worthy of pursuing because he actually
took some you know, willful action,

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which directly and that was that propofol
that you know, using that paralytic drug

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to basically give him a sleeping pill
on demand, but a paralytic drug nonetheless,

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and his administration of it led directly
to Jackson's death, So you know,

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I would think that would be a
logical one. But yet here we

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go, no ruling in favor of
the people trying to get either compensation or

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proper representation of liability in that death. So that's the way that turned out.

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But again, I don't want to
delve too deep into the courtroom drama.

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Here go ahead, tell us the
next one. Okay, the next

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one is Flando Castile. Castilla,
at black Man, was killed in two

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sixteen by a Minnesota police officer after
a routine traffic stop. In twenty seventeen,

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the officer was cleared a second degree
murder, sparking protests and calls for

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reform. A wrong flip depth civil
action was brought shortly thereafter. In the

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final settlement, Castilli's family was awarded
three million in wrong fo de damages.

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Right. Yeah, cop should have
been thrown in jail. Now, how

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that cop didn't go to jail kills
me too, because I saw that video.

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I see the circumstance. I mean, a guy with a legal gun

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says listen, I'm armed. Cop
shot him through a closed door. You

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know, sat and his girlfriend in
the front. Oh, yeah, yeah,

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the girlfriend and the baby get to
you know, witness him bleed out

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pretty much because he didn't make it. That was that and that was a

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horror show. And three million,
okay, now Fernando Castillo or you know,

408
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:42.839
and here we go into what is
the value ascribed? Right? This

409
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.960
guy's worth three million? Uh you
know, I mean you might get thirty

410
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:49.799
bucks for me hunt, you know, if somebody shoots me like this.

411
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.440
I'm just saying, I don't know
if it'd be worth filing. But they

412
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.799
give different values and all this stuff, and it is based on usually what

413
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.480
you go for and what it is
you claim they could have earned, and

414
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:05.079
what it is that they their responsibilities
were, et cetera. All right,

415
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.039
I get all that, and in
this case again I would go for this

416
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:15.400
one and they got a result,
unlike the Jackson family who got nothing.

417
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:19.519
Anyway, what's right, what's the
next one on the list. The next

418
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.519
one is George Floyd and the sucking
act of brutality. Police officer Derek Schauvin

419
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:28.720
knelt down on George Floyd's neck during
an arrest in twenty twenty, leading to

420
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.400
his death. Floyd's wrongful death case
caught the attention of the entire world.

421
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:37.680
The city of Minneapolis agreed to pay
twenty seven million dollars wrongful death settlement to

422
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:43.359
Floyd's family. Additionally, Schauvin was
criminally convicted for second degree their degree and

423
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:47.960
second degree man slaughter. They said
second degree twice. But yeah, yeah,

424
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.319
well and there you go. Look
again, opinions divided the country.

425
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:59.839
So I don't need to go back
over that, do I probably not sparked

426
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:01.720
a bit of a movement, you
know, the summer of George Floyd,

427
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:06.759
all of this, and there were
others, you know, that died around

428
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.559
that time period that became part of
this whole thing. And people are still

429
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:14.599
angry about the idea that there was
damage done to cities and oh that was

430
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.320
all black lives matters, riots and
so on and so forth. But see

431
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:22.280
again, let's get back to the
first thing. And even there it's devisive

432
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.079
because people were saying, now,
this guy killed himself because he was taking

433
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:29.840
drugs, etcetera, etcetera. Okay, but would he be dead had it

434
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:34.000
not been for that situation? And
they just agreed to pay it. They

435
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.440
didn't even take that to court,
did they. I don't believe so.

436
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:43.599
And why is this guy worth twenty
seven million and Castillo's worth three. See,

437
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.599
it's a weird thing to look at
when people are being balanced out in

438
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:52.920
the court as to what is the
worth of a human life? Isn't that

439
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.199
a bit you know? And like
I said, may maybe you get thirty

440
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:59.239
bucks for me, right, And
hey, if somebody's ninety years old,

441
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.079
they wouldn't have lived much longer anyway. I mean, maybe they're only worth

442
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:04.519
a grand or two, right,
I mean, if you don't have a

443
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.639
long light ahead of you. So
what I mean? You know, seriously,

444
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:14.559
what does that mean? I'm serious
though? Why is one guy worth

445
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.639
twenty seven million? Oh? I
know why he's worth twenty seven million is

446
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:22.519
because all the media attention, right
yeah? But other than that, in

447
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.320
a real moral see, I'm back
to the moral instead of illegal. I

448
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:30.079
don't want to do courtroom drama.
This is not law and Order SVU,

449
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.280
So screw the courtroom drama. Tell
me why it is that this guy's worth

450
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.760
so much more money. And by
the way, I'm one of these people

451
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:42.760
who thinks that George Floyd was wrongfully
killed by the cops. And please don't

452
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.760
write to me about it. We've
already done this. I'm sick of talking

453
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:51.920
about it. But the point is
that what is the value ascribed here and

454
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:57.320
wrongful death? Okay? Is if
you take the position that the cops actions

455
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:00.039
led to the wrongful death, I
mean, do you sue the company to

456
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.920
sue the city? Do you sue
everybody? Right? Well, in this

457
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:08.239
case, the city paid. You
know, the city obviously has twenty seven

458
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:15.199
million dollars. It doesn't say in
the Philanda castilling case if the officer was

459
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:23.119
responsible for paying three million, or
the city the city where he was from,

460
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:29.400
the state of Minnesota. Yeah,
we'll see. But grant you that

461
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:34.119
a city or a state or whatever
has more access to cash. Now,

462
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.719
it doesn't mean that they can afford
twenty seven million dollars just simply awarded to

463
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:42.480
a family. Uh, that doesn't
produce something within the city. Right.

464
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:46.159
People want a bitch about their property
taxes getting collected or whatever. But here's

465
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:51.840
the thing. If your money has
to go toward that hell of an expense,

466
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:58.480
you know, I'm not making the
judgment here again in a courtroom,

467
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.800
because as you can see, these
these results do vary. But what I'm

468
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:07.119
saying is moralistically, who is really
responsible here? I mean, is it

469
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:12.480
the cops actions. Is that the
training of the police is that, you

470
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.199
know. And again, they didn't
even take it to court and argue it.

471
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.480
They just said, look, we'll
just pay you. Probably they sought

472
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.519
more money. And I guarantee you
that guy Crump was involved in this thing.

473
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:28.719
Oh yeah, that's a promise.
And again, even if you agree

474
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:31.159
with them or disagree with them or
whatever else, I'm talking about the implication

475
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:37.320
of a wrongful death in the first
place. So and what that actually means.

476
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.840
Meanwhile, what do you got one? Two more? Right? I

477
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.280
had one more? But I do
have a quick question. Sure, I

478
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:50.119
don't remember the name of the kid, but a little boy who wanted to

479
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:53.719
be Rambo for the day and went
into that city and was shooting people.

480
00:37:55.199 --> 00:38:00.840
You remember one time out he got
cleared from murder. Oh oh oh yeah,

481
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:07.199
yeah yeah right. No, I'm
wondering. I don't think any of

482
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:12.000
the family members of the people that
he killed will then he wrongful death.

483
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.480
I'm curious as to why. Yeah, I don't know. You know what,

484
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.719
And here's the thing that could still
come up, right, and that's

485
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:29.840
the kid that they decided was not
responsible for. You know, this is

486
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:36.199
the kid in Kenosha right in Wisconsin, who crossed state lines and was under

487
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.519
age with the weapon. But he
was out there supposedly defending businesses. Blah

488
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:43.519
blah blah. Forget his name.
I don't even care. He was a

489
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:49.800
kid who was crying in court.
Again, super divisive issue. Now,

490
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:57.199
even if he's not criminally liable,
is he responsible for wrongful death? Well?

491
00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:59.639
Is it a wrongful death? He? Now? Now we get into

492
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.480
another question and one that I don't
even want to answer, because I think

493
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.119
this kid is responsible, should have
been held accountable, should have been just

494
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:12.480
put in prison and the story.
But that's not the way the courts saw

495
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.960
it. So you know, I
got to live with that decision. But

496
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:22.840
facts or facts, the civil decision
is different than the criminal. So is

497
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.840
he responsible considering the fact that he
pulled the trigger that did end lives,

498
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.079
you know, and actually maimed the
hell out of somebody else? Is he

499
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:38.159
responsible for it? That's the big
question? Uh? Yeah? And and

500
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:44.000
could somebody? I guess they could, But will they Maybe maybe they've already,

501
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:46.880
you know, settled something quietly out
of court. Maybe there is no

502
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:51.559
settlement. Maybe they don't want to
open that can of worms already because it

503
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:57.480
turned that kid into a celebrity when
he was acquitted by the way, and

504
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.840
the Republicans were wanting to offer from
a job bring him up on the hill.

505
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.119
They were talking about maybe trying to
get him into the House of Representatives

506
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.800
even uh, yeah, I don't
know at all. Yeah, And now

507
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:14.440
that kid has kind of quietly gone
away from the news speeds, So I

508
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.559
don't know. Do you have one
more? Yes, there's one more on

509
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:24.000
here, and it is Kobe Bryant. In two twenty one, Vanessa Bryant,

510
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:30.320
Kobe's widow, and families of additional
victims in the tragic twenty twenty helicopter

511
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:35.159
crash, where awarded or confidential wrongful
death settlement after filing a suit against the

512
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:39.800
company which employed the pilot. In
two twenty three, a twenty eight million,

513
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:45.840
eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars wrongful
death settlement was awarded to Vanessa Bryant

514
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:52.280
after filing a separate claim against Los
Angeles County for police personnel sharing graphic images

515
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:57.239
of the crash with one another.
Oh yeah, but see now that was

516
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:02.239
an invasion of privacy kind of thing
where they were exploiting images of her husband

517
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:08.039
and daughter's dead bodies, right,
So that lawsuit, yeah, I I

518
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:12.840
you know, look, usually when
rich people go suing people, I am

519
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:17.119
not on their side, you know. But uh, and and trust me,

520
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.199
Kobe's widow is is gonna be fine
with or without money. Okay,

521
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:28.960
she's got plenty of his money still. But well, usually about the money,

522
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:34.519
I mean they were disrespected. I
mean the child, yeah, exactly,

523
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:36.559
No, no, no, no, I agree him, But that's

524
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.400
a dead Normally I would say,
you know what, shut up, rich

525
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:43.639
lady and go away. But this
was pretty egregious and pretty ugly that you

526
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:47.840
know you're gonna explore exploit a human
beings death scene. Uh, you know,

527
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:53.000
for profit. No, I get
it in this case. I get

528
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:57.800
it. Now onto the wrongful death
part of it, where it's they're trying

529
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.280
to go after the helicopter pilot and
I think the company, the corporation that

530
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:06.320
hired the guy in the first place
or kept him employed, or I don't

531
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:10.239
know who else they're going after.
But but the thing is, now we

532
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:14.000
get into this idea of corporate And
by the way, I have a sound

533
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:20.599
clip to play from another case which
I don't know a lot about, actually

534
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.840
a Malory beach. So why don't
you tell us a little bit about that,

535
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:28.679
because let's see the headline and I'll
give you guys this link in the

536
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:30.480
live chat room and also give it
to you in the show notes. But

537
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:36.719
I mean the headline is video wrongful
death lawsuit of Mallory Beach reaches settlement And

538
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.599
I don't even remember this wrongful death? What do you do? You have

539
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:43.920
anything on it? Or should we
just go to the clip or what?

540
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:51.599
Well? I can I have something
about it? Okay, and I have

541
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.280
just put it in the live chat
room at o'chelly dot com for those of

542
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:55.719
you listening, or if you want
to go back and roll it back or

543
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:00.599
go to your show notes if you're
listening to the podcast. It's fine because

544
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:05.199
we're about up against the next break
here on the sloper. But you know,

545
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:07.880
there it is. And I am
going to play the audio from this

546
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:12.639
thing in a moment. So do
you have it up or shall I go

547
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:17.159
to the audio? I have it
all right. Mallory Beach was the young

548
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:27.159
woman that was killed on the boat
with Alec Murdoch's son Paul. So a

549
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.400
settlement has been reached in the death
of Mallory Beats, the woman killed in

550
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.320
South Carolina boat crash that's become the
subject of national media attention. The insurance

551
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:39.639
company covering Greg Parker of Parker's Convenience
Stores had settled with the family, according

552
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:44.440
to an attorney in the case.
Okay, let's die on February twenty four,

553
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:49.159
two nineteen. Excellent, let's have
yeah, let's hang on there,

554
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:53.039
because this ties to the Murdoll case. Okay, but it's about the now

555
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:59.880
deceased Paul Murdoch, right, who
was getting sued. His family was getting

556
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:04.920
sued over this other accident that occurred. You know, I'm calling it an

557
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.960
accident because I don't have better words
for it, where they were drunk driving

558
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.880
a boat and slammed into a bridge
and all this other crap. This is

559
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:14.800
what it's about. I forgot by
name. Mallory Beach. Is the name

560
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:20.559
I forgot, now you know?
Yes? Yeah, okay, so now

561
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:24.199
I get it. And that's what
it's tied to now, wrongful death because

562
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:30.119
somebody's negligent and they shouldn't have been
drunk driving the damn boat and shouldn't have

563
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:34.000
been drinking in the first place,
et cetera, et cetera. All sensible,

564
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:37.599
But when you're talking about these Parkers
to settle with the family of Mallory

565
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.960
Beach. That's the people that own
the joint where they got the beer and

566
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:46.039
the booze. Yeah. Yeah,
that's the liquor store that he went into

567
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:51.559
with his brother's I okay, so
let's just alcohol. Excellent. So let's

568
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:55.079
just play audio from this clip,
which is let's see where's this from.

569
00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:01.639
This is from the Low Country's newsleader. All Right, WCSC Channel five.

570
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:07.079
I don't know what network affiliate they
are, but whatever it is, they

571
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.559
might be independent, or maybe they're
one of those well not independent but appearing

572
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:16.039
to be independent whatever Sinclair Network people. I'm not sure. I don't know.

573
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:21.000
Let's find out and I'll just play
this audio. Hopefully it doesn't blast

574
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:23.000
me a commercial here when I try
and open it. But let's see what

575
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:28.559
happens regarding this settlement with the Mallory
Beach family. So go ahead and mute

576
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:30.280
up, missus os so we don't
interrupt this, and I'll be quiet also,

577
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:37.440
and we'll take a listen to this
news report. It shouldn't take talking

578
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.679
cars or flying first. Hold on
a second, guys, Yeah, so

579
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.519
of course they stuffed me with a
commercial right out of the gate instead of

580
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:52.760
letting me go ahead. And you
know right, we can't just play the

581
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:57.360
video and get and get the sound. No, I gotta go with this

582
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.880
stupid lawyer thing. So hold a
second, folks, we'll get her done

583
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:06.880
in just a sec. Here.
Yeah, they were hitting me with a

584
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.920
lawyer thing. Maybe they'll let me
skip again. Foundation problems. We'll only

585
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:15.480
get bigger, more expensive. So
I'm gonna I'm gonna just mute it and

586
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:19.920
let it play the commercial because it's
not letting me skip the commercial. Thanks

587
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:25.400
Live Sunday Sloper. That's the way
it goes. The Parkers that Parker's Corporation

588
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:30.800
will be paying fifteen million dollars to
the family of Mallory Beach. Beach was

589
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.880
killed in a twenty nineteen accident while
voting with the late Paul Murdoch, son

590
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:39.000
and victim of convicted killer Alec Murdoch. While investigating Beach's death, surveillance video

591
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:45.039
was found that shows Paul buying alcohol
under age at Parker's convenience store the night

592
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:49.679
of the crash while using his brother
Buster's ID. A family attorney also said

593
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.920
that fellow passengers on the boat that
night have also settled claims against Parker's.

594
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:58.679
The settlement means the civil case that
would have taken place August fourteenth will not

595
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:05.320
take place. Okay, So they
settled instead of you jeez, all right,

596
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:07.719
and they hit me with another commercial
right at the end, they settled

597
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:15.800
with with with a bunch of crap. They settled with everybody who was affected

598
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:19.440
by the fact that alcohol was served
to an underage kid because of a bad

599
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:24.000
ID check at their convenience store.
And this is very similar to the bartenders

600
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.400
getting sued over DUIs right, I
mean, except not a car, it's

601
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:35.199
a boat. What is their level
of responsibility and wrongful death? Is that

602
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.280
something they should be held liable for
a lot of people would say yes.

603
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.480
And I've known people that were killed
by drunk drivers. A matter of fact,

604
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.079
one of the first, not the
first, but one of the first

605
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:51.079
traumatic deaths eyewitness in my life was
as a result of a drunk driver nearly

606
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.599
took me by I don't know,
six eight inches and took a friend of

607
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:59.760
mine when I was a kid.
And yeah, so maybe I'm a little

608
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:05.400
by about this, but uh,
should I have been able to sue that

609
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:09.920
lady too? And so should my
friend's family In his wrongful death and in

610
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:14.880
the madness that became, you know, my nightmares for the next few years.

611
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:20.679
Maybe maybe so, maybe not,
Maybe that influenced my behavior, CAUs

612
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.000
detrimental effects on me. I mean, lots of things to be said.

613
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:27.440
I think they went after him because
they could. And probably this is a

614
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.559
fairly rich little family business thing.
The Parkers, whoever they may be,

615
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:34.760
maybe if you're in South Carolina,
they're famous people. I don't know.

616
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.559
But but here we go. Is
it about the money or is it about

617
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:43.880
just getting recognition that there is a
wrongful death, et cetera, et cetera.

618
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:49.360
I don't know if I'm going to
include this link in the notes because

619
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:54.440
you're getting pummeled by commercials every time
you touch it. But I guess that's

620
00:48:54.480 --> 00:49:00.400
one way to go, giving out
media and all that stuff. But here

621
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:04.519
we go with the consideration the history
most recent, most distant. And I'll

622
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.199
tell you once again that the first
thing that occurred to me when we started

623
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:13.599
talking about wrongful debts at all was
certainly the OJA thing. But this conversation

624
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:17.159
and this examination will continue on the
Sunday Sloper. It's gonna be areas of

625
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:22.920
drist and missile drist and send here
missed and driss I literally can find both.

626
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:31.679
Here's some other great town means.
Oh it's limits linus. I just

627
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:37.840
kept heating. I'm looking at everything
in the house. I'm I got state.

628
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:43.760
I dropped my hot hockey. Excited
about that sixty nine? That's pretty

629
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:49.719
good. I know you're excited about
the wind. But at that sixty nine

630
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:57.199
Coming up next, we're Rudy Giuliani's
past drag performances, all part of an

631
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:02.280
elaborate sting operation to expose child traffickers. Will ask Rudy himself right after this

632
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:15.599
brief timeout, Oh, Chili dot
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633
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634
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635
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dot com. Michael Swanson, the brilliant

636
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.159
author of the War State, understood
these trends professionally for many years, and

637
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:46.519
now he gives you the benefit of
his knowledge. Wall Street streindow dot do

638
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go there, now go there,
now go there now. No some wise

639
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words from Harland. They started,
you know on these two faced line No

640
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:07.079
good motherfucker's huns down here holding the
Bible white as a weapon, hits a

641
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.760
shield. You know, I can
remember, it's just like this whole trench.

642
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.880
Okay, in the gay and lesbian
I listen. I can remember back

643
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:22.760
two thousand seven, two thousand and
eight. And by the way, a

644
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:27.079
lot of these people hates people like
me more than they do the liberals because

645
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.800
you're exposing the fucking gimmick to con
you know, they setting back, you

646
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:35.599
know, all these gay people and
I all these taggets and figets, this

647
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.719
figet, that this is exactly what
they call them. They're like, okay,

648
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.559
they're going to hell. They need
to be stoned in the street.

649
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.880
And look two years later, okay, like at that time when I'm saying,

650
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:51.039
fuck, let them get married,
I don't have to listen to that

651
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:57.159
shit. You know, a couple
of years later, you know when Obama

652
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:02.800
started talking about I think this is
twenty fourteen, about taking the you know,

653
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:08.039
the tax exemption away from them if
they didn't start include knowledge people.

654
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.960
Next thing, you know, he
went from Stoneham in the Street to Love

655
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:16.679
his Love and sing his singer.
You know, it's amazing how that worked.

656
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:21.079
And then you know, little Johnny
was coming in down here Church on

657
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:24.599
Sunday, and he'd been out sucking
dick all night, and on Saturday.

658
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:29.320
We gotta be nice to him because
Mommy and bad he might not drop none

659
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:34.280
down here in the fucking collection plate. You know, I'm a bullshit.

660
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:39.800
The War State by Michael Swanson explains
the great national transformation that took place and

661
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:45.760
put the Kennedy presidency in the context
of the Times and reveals never before published

662
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:50.719
information about the Cuban missile crisis.
President Kennedy would not have been assassinated if

663
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.920
he had been president two hundred years
ago. His assassination took place in the

664
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:59.039
context of the Cold War and the
rise of the national security state. Before

665
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:02.199
World War Two, the United States
was a continental republic. In the decade

666
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:07.679
that followed, it became an imperial
superpower. Generals such as Curtis LeMay not

667
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.639
only wanted to invade Cuba, but
knew that there were short range missiles on

668
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:15.639
the island arn't with nuclear warheads that
they could not destroy because they were on

669
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.840
mobile launchers. Their invasion could have
led to a Third World War, and

670
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:24.039
they wanted to go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson reveals

671
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:28.440
why, and we'll show you what
President Kennedy was up against. For more

672
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:32.199
information, the war state dot com? Can you expressed by callers, schools?

673
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There anyone else who happens to get
on the ear or jelly dot com.

674
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.000
We not necessarily reflect the views of
O jelly dot com and we are

675
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:43.360
not responsible for instupidity which might ensued. Thank you. The dynamics of a

676
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crop? How do you move a
mob? How do you excite? How

677
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:50.800
do you make them feel as fun
with you? I'll join them first,

678
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.840
join them this when you speak to
them, speak to them as if you

679
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:59.079
were a member of the mob.
Speak to them in their language. I'm

680
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.760
their living. Make they hate you
hate if they are poor, talk to

681
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:07.400
them of publishing. If they are
afraids, talk to them of their feet.

682
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.760
If they are angry, give them
objects for the anger. But most

683
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:15.119
of all, the thinking of the
post, of the essence is that you'll

684
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:19.480
make this mob an extension of us, helping them do it? One hundred

685
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.920
dynamics and crop? How do you
move with mom? How do you exciting?

686
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:27.800
How do you make them feel?
Is one? When you joint first,

687
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:35.639
they say, you give it to
a man bis and you'll feel in

688
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:39.599
Friday nuclear holocausts. You know what
uranium is, right if you think of

689
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:44.960
nuclear weapons and other things like lots
of you know what uranium is right.

690
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:50.760
Bad things things are done with uranium, including some bad things nuclear holocausts.

691
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Fellow dot Com Radio network work.
Over the last two years, hundreds of

692
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:02.760
l did in the Summit County Medical
Examiner's office. My brother used to break

693
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:07.199
in our house and steal the TV. But now he's dead. Some rain

694
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.360
that will be moving into our area. Did you grab anything when you not?

695
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:16.239
Got to grab nothing but tortinos pizza
out of the frigerator and my doggy

696
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:20.599
and we left. Let's it.
I tried to grab some other things,

697
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:30.239
but they wasn't even worse. Trick
you patties about one hundred seventy five thousand

698
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:36.119
rice. I think that's going to
be pantries. I've didn't warn you before

699
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:42.119
I saw it, and I warn
you about one hundred and seventy five thousand

700
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:45.039
rice and slow cookers are being recalled
and do the fire and electric shock.

701
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:52.920
So two tortinos, pizzas and your
doggie not included. The third segment of

702
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:57.360
the Sunday Sloper here and final one
for this Sunday as we're doing it live,

703
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:00.639
and we're gonna do it live,
like Bill O'Reilly said all those years

704
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:07.159
ago, a commercial misques and all
trying to play videos. So we're gonna

705
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.440
leave this uncut in the podcast.
Just see, you guys hear exactly what

706
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:14.599
it sounded like. We could cut
it into something a lot slicker and you

707
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:16.599
know, get rid of some of
my little flubs and so on and so

708
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:22.000
forth, but why do that.
You can hear the raw broadcast on Ocelli

709
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:27.000
dot com as we put it out
in podcast form. So number two is

710
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:30.119
all about the wrongful death. And
we were talking about a small company,

711
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:34.199
seemingly a family owned business, likely
a couple of layers of LLLC, the

712
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:40.639
Parkers getting sued over the beach.
Right, the girl's name is Beach Malory

713
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:45.639
Beach over the Mallory Beach death,
and it links to the Murdock case and

714
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:52.800
all that stuff. But you have
a list of the top five corporate entities

715
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:54.800
or something like that. Now this
is a top five list, not just

716
00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:00.280
five of examples, but a top
five list is sorts. So go ahead

717
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:05.360
and tell us about that, and
missus though, okay, Johnson and Johnson

718
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:12.199
In twenty eighteen, a Missouri jury
awarded four point six nine billion dollars in

719
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:16.320
damages to twenty two women who sued
the corporation alleging that the use of their

720
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:22.599
top and powder products led to the
development of ovarian cancer. Six of the

721
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:25.039
women named in the wrongful death suit
had died from the disease. Okay,

722
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:29.239
pause there just for a second,
because I point out this lawsuit all the

723
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:38.559
time. And why billion dollar lawsuit
over baby powder? Is there a wrongful

724
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:45.079
death involvement here? If you willfully
knowingly put something into baby powder that wound

725
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.239
up causing cancer? I kind of
think so. And again I got no

726
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:54.039
sort of sympathy for corporations. Is
anybody gonna bother to sue them over their

727
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:58.880
role in the opioid crisis? I
don't know. I don't know, But

728
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:01.199
here we go again. Is it
about the money or is it about the

729
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:04.800
moralistic end of it? And by
the way, if it was only twenty

730
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.760
two women that were involved in that
class action lawsuit, I know that there

731
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:12.320
is now today a bunch of commercials
out there saying, hey, if you

732
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.159
were damaged by baby powder, get
in touch with us, because we got

733
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:17.440
a class action lawsuit for you.
So I don't know if that joins you

734
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:22.920
to this thing, this six billion
dollars, or if there's yet another suit

735
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:24.440
against them. And oh, by
the way, do you think Johnson and

736
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:30.280
Johnson can afford it? Probably anyway, good and tell us about the next

737
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:37.119
one on the list, okay,
Bowing. In twenty twenty one, Bowing

738
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:42.639
agreed to pay two point five billion
dollars to Suddlely, a wrongful death lawsuit

739
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:46.360
filed by the families of passengers who
died in two crashes while traveling on the

740
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:52.400
company seven thirty seven Max planes.
The crashes, which occurred in twenty eighteen

741
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.840
and twenty nineteen, resulted in the
death of three hundred and forty six people,

742
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:01.800
and the controversy surrounding these events was
featured in a next documentary, though

743
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:05.920
it does not give me the name
of the documentary. Yeah, no problem,

744
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:08.400
we don't necessarily need it. I
mean, after all, does anybody

745
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:13.639
who listens to this show, this
network, or this type of radio have

746
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.599
any sort of mercy in their minds
for the military industrial complex? I mean,

747
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:22.000
I guess if you're a stockholder,
you might. But can Boeing absorb

748
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:24.039
that given all the money they make. Did they have problems with this one

749
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:30.119
particular big plane they did? Are
they responsible for it? Who's responsible for

750
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:34.360
it? Or is it particular people, is it people on the factory floor,

751
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:38.239
is that the company as a whole? Again, moral responsibility for wrongful

752
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:43.000
death is still kind of an open
question. But due to the fact that

753
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:46.320
I have got zero sympathy for the
corporation, and usually they settle these things,

754
00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:52.840
you know, which means they decided
they'd rather just kind of admit some

755
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.480
sort of fault, although not publicly, maybe in the sealed documents, say

756
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:58.199
look, we were at fault,
but we don't want the public to know

757
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:02.360
about it. Here's some money up, go away. Yeah, that's the

758
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:07.119
thing too. So anyway, that
means that people weren't trying to make a

759
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:10.559
big, huge point of it and
wanting to get all the details out there.

760
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:14.000
But maybe they wanted the money,
or maybe they want them is great

761
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:17.480
enough to compensate them for all of
the moral outrage that they had. And

762
01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:22.440
well, there's something to be said
for changing one's life, and you know

763
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.639
it, billions of dollars, even
if a billion of that winds up funneling

764
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:30.599
to one particular family or something or
many many millions, hundreds of millions to

765
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:38.679
particular families or whatever it is.
Maybe that's compensation and recompense enough anyway,

766
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:43.039
So that's just two of them.
What's the third one? Oh right,

767
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:47.199
Philip Morris. In two thousand and
two, a Los Angeles jury awarded twenty

768
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:52.559
eight billion dollars in damages to the
family of a smoker who died of lung

769
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:57.159
cancer. The verdict was later reduced
to twenty eight millions, but the initial

770
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:01.480
decision was important because it represented the
first time a tobacco company was held liable

771
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:07.599
for the death of a patron smoker. Ah. Now there's an interesting question

772
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.239
again, because that's a hell of
a reduction, twenty eight billion to twenty

773
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:15.679
eight million? Is that? Is
that the correct numbers? From what I'm

774
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:20.679
reading? I mean, Okay,
no hell of a reduction there, twenty

775
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:22.719
eight million, nothing to sneeze at, and it is significant, sure,

776
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:27.360
And it is the first time that
a tobacco company was held liable. Now

777
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.000
a lot of people go, well, you're stupid enough to smoke. And

778
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:32.800
by the way, I'm smoking while
I say this, and an addict of

779
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:38.679
the Philip Mars products myself, here's
the thing. They kind of intentionally created

780
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:44.280
addicts by manipulating their product in such
a way. That's one problem they had

781
01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:47.880
here with this modern lawsuit. It's
not based on the old idea that they

782
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.400
used to sell this in advertising,
literally showing you doctors smoke and go doctors

783
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:57.000
smoke camels. You know they used
to do that, right, Doctors smoke

784
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.480
camels and lucky strikes. These are
their preferred cigarettes. You know that,

785
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:05.519
right? Yeah. I mean there
was even some sort of commercial out there.

786
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:07.679
I think it was a Billboard commercial
that was like, you know what,

787
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:13.599
leading four out of five doctors recommend
that you eat whitecastle and smoke a

788
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:19.519
Lucky Strike. I mean literally they
combined these two things. I mean,

789
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:22.480
that's hilarious to us nowadays, but
that was a real thing, like in

790
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:27.320
nineteen fifty one or something. Look, somebody look it up. I know

791
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:30.159
this advertisement exists, and it's not
just the photoshop creation. It was a

792
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:36.960
real thing. Yeah. And I
mean, of course Playboy magazine would sell

793
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.840
you cigarettes. They sold, you
know, the feminine cigarettes to women,

794
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:45.599
the Virginia slims, right, the
skinny cigarette, the feminine cigarette extra long

795
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:49.320
and extra thin, so it's nice
and feminine, just like you baby,

796
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:54.239
you know, Virginia Slims. They
marketed this stuff beyond Joe Cambell, beyond

797
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:58.800
the Marlboro Man. True, but
that's not what the modern lawsuit is about.

798
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:04.280
The modern lawsuit is manipulating nicotine to
a degree and creating chemicals in the

799
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:12.159
cigarettes unnecessary except to create addicts,
unfairly create what product loyalty, and yeah,

800
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:15.360
that's gonna lead to some people's deaths. And some people would say it's

801
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:19.360
not very libertarian of you to think
that this is a good idea, But

802
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:24.320
I don't think people just because there's
liberty involved means that, you know,

803
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:36.280
corporations with greater resources have the unfettered
ability to at all times exploit people's weaknesses

804
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:40.199
directly simply because they have the greater
resources. They can hide it, they

805
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.639
can package it in such a way
and say, look, you know what,

806
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:47.000
we're going to get you a dicred
to this or that, whether it's

807
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:52.400
you know, high fructose corn syrup
or it's nicotine, or it's these other

808
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.480
additives to the cigarettes that you're gonna
have to shake and stir over and want

809
01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:00.400
to cut your you know, cut
your roommate's head off over if you don't

810
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:03.079
have a cigarette. No, no, no, no, it's not It's

811
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:08.760
not just about that, But it's
not about liberty there. Your liberty should

812
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:12.559
not be encroached upon by people unfairly
doing things like that to you. So,

813
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:15.280
I don't know. It's a mixed
bag. But corporations again, do

814
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.760
I feel bad for Philip Morrison?
Could they absorb twenty eight million or all

815
01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:26.079
the other lawsuits they they've absorbed abs
positively? So you know, I don't

816
01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:28.880
I don't feel I don't know.
I don't feel bad for the corporation.

817
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:31.840
But anyway, you got two more, don't you? Ah? Yes,

818
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:36.639
okay, Xson Mobile. In two
thousand and nine, Xson Mobile agreed to

819
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:42.199
pay one point one billion dollars to
Suddenly Wrongs Will Debt lawsuit filed by the

820
01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:46.679
families of workers who died in the
nineteen ninety eight explosions at the company's refinery

821
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:51.320
in bum or Beau Mount, Texas. Fifteen workers perished in the blast and

822
01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:57.320
dozens more were injured. Now take
note in the listener's mind, I want

823
01:04:57.360 --> 01:05:01.480
you to take this this very careful
note. I bet most of you remember

824
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:05.880
headlines from all of these other lawsuits
in the big corporate world except this one

825
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:13.280
so far. You know why?
Okay, Being somebody who has worked for

826
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:16.519
x On Mobile in the past,
full disclosure, guess what, I know

827
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:24.199
that they have a very effective and
very thoughtful pr machine and play at all

828
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:31.000
times. They learned that hard lesson
after becoming the oil spill company. Despite

829
01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:34.079
the fact, you know, the
Exon Valdis. Everybody remembers that, and

830
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:38.960
they didn't want that to occur again
because during that same year, this is

831
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.159
a true fact, by the way, during that same year, there was

832
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:47.800
something like a hundred other spills larger
than the Exxon Valdis in the ocean,

833
01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:51.480
all over to place, all over
the world. As a matter of fact,

834
01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:56.239
if you were to make a map
of the large oil spills in the

835
01:05:56.320 --> 01:06:00.239
amount of the area of the ocean
that they covered during that year alone,

836
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:08.599
you would find more than half of
the ocean water on the planet seemingly covered

837
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:13.360
on most maps. Okay, from
different companies, not just Exon Mobile,

838
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:17.320
not just from tanker spills, but
different spills all over the place. It

839
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:20.159
just happened, and you know what, it happened the year before, it

840
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:24.559
happened the year after. It continues
to happen, but what do you not

841
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:27.599
hear about? Not so many of
them. Yes, I know, we

842
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:31.440
heard about the BP thing, and
that was a massive spill that really wrecked

843
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:35.719
an area so much so that it
couldn't be ignored. But unless you have

844
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:42.360
a population getting directly affected, and
unless people really turn up with a whole

845
01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:46.599
lot of dead animals, like all
in one shot somewhere, they steer this

846
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:53.360
and do a serious pr effort to
make sure they guess what you don't see

847
01:06:53.400 --> 01:07:00.320
it. So I bet people don't
remember the refinery in Beaumont, Texas lowing

848
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:02.760
up, And if they do remember
it, they don't remember how many deaths

849
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:05.679
there were. Like in other words, the details are all awash, gone

850
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:12.719
right down the memory hole on purpose
because they can afford to spend millions of

851
01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:15.480
dollars to do that instead of paying
people a whole lot. And by the

852
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:19.679
way, they did pay people a
bit, but quietly, and that's what

853
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:24.840
they do. So just keep that
in mind. And you got one more,

854
01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:29.119
don't you miss his own? Yeah, beam mass moon is DuPont.

855
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:34.760
On twenty seventeen, DuPont agreed to
pay six hundred and seventy one million dollars

856
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:40.800
to settle thousands of lawsuits filed by
residents of Parkersburg, West Virginia, who

857
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:45.920
claim that the company's dumping of a
toxic chemical into the local water supply caused

858
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:50.840
them to develop cancer and other diseases. The settlement included compensation for wrongful death

859
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:57.920
claims. The Little Gastion process was
featured in a twenty nineteen film starring Mark

860
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:03.639
Rufollow entitled Dark Mark Ruffalo. Yep, who nowadays is what the hulk?

861
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:09.679
Right? I think he's the hulk
in the Marble universe. So anyway,

862
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:13.719
other people were turning green over the
chemicals being dumped in the water in West

863
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:19.880
Virginia. Okay, now here's what's
horrible. There are tons of these lawsuits

864
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:23.359
all over the place. That just
happens to be the big ticket one,

865
01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:29.920
but there's much smaller settlements paid out
all over the place. And then there's

866
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:32.760
agreements about cleaning stuff up and everything. And guess what again, just like

867
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:39.239
the Exxon Mobile thing, you could
dot be in the United States on the

868
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:42.720
map with these things really easily.
Matter of fact, I'll bring one up

869
01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:46.600
right now that you and I were
in very close proximity to missus oh seeba

870
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:53.399
geigy, and they're chemical poisoning of
the water table in New Jersey created a

871
01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:59.000
massive chemical problem which created all sorts
of childhood cancers, a whole bunch of

872
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:01.960
toddlers. They couldn't side whether it
was the overhead power lines or it was

873
01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:05.720
Seba Geigy's chemicals, one way or
another, but one of the most massive

874
01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:13.720
toddler can cancer clusters on Earth was
created as a result of what is likely

875
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:18.840
both things in a place called Tom's
River, New Jersey. Now do you

876
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:24.640
see massive headlines about this nowadays?
Is this one of those cases environmentally they

877
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:29.119
go to what about Seba Gegy?
Uh, No, you don't, because

878
01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:32.399
Seba Geigy's one of those chemical companies
that probably has been folded into some other

879
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:38.039
multinational conglomerate at this point, I
think, and is owned by you know,

880
01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:41.319
the people that blah blah blah whatever. Eventually it gets either Coca Pepsi,

881
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:45.079
some major corporation, and black Rock
owns a piece of everybody. Dunt

882
01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:50.840
dunt done anyhow, That's all it
is. They've done this all over the

883
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:54.680
country. Flint, Michigan, the
spill offs, the chemicals from the car

884
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:59.359
companies, the stuff in Georgia,
the stuff in North Carolina. Remember we

885
01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:01.279
were reading about how they're going to
give us like five dollars off of our

886
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:04.840
water bill because the water was poisoned
a couple of years ago. You know,

887
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:10.560
weird stuff, and their compensation packages
are weird all over the place.

888
01:10:11.039 --> 01:10:15.119
Some of these six hundred billion dollars
things involved rebates to customers, which are

889
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:19.239
too funny, and it usually as
a result of a massive class action thing

890
01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:25.000
like how many times has a Bank
of America now been sued for screwing over

891
01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:28.560
their customers one way or another?
And I recall when I was a Bank

892
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:30.800
of America customer, I saw a
whole thing about how wow, man.

893
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:33.720
You know, I know over the
years, I paid hundreds of dollars in

894
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:40.640
ATM fees that were pretty unfair.
I remember one time getting charged for you

895
01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:44.520
know, in action and too much
action at coming out of my bank account,

896
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:49.680
right, excessive activity and insufficient activity
in my checking account on the same

897
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:55.439
month statement, right, stuff like
this, And then I saw the lawsuit.

898
01:10:55.479 --> 01:10:59.279
Don't worry, you'll be compensated.
I think we all got five dollars

899
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:03.359
gift cards from freaking Bank of America. Okay, seriously, if you were

900
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:06.159
a customer during this time period.
Please fill out your name and admit that

901
01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:12.680
you want a piece of this settlement
A five dollars gift card. Yeah so

902
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:15.800
sometimes, and look if you add
those all up, they might be twenty

903
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:17.960
million, thirty million dollars and five
dollars gift cards too, you know,

904
01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:27.039
millions of customers. But it is
that an effective way to deal with intentional

905
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:31.920
wrongdoing? And that's not death,
that's just somebody ripping you off anyway,

906
01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:35.760
These are wrongful deaths we're talking about. Now, are they responsible when they

907
01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:43.840
willfully, knowingly poison somebody's water supply? I'm thinking yeah. And again I

908
01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:48.279
guess bias against the corporation is a
problem for me. But what are you

909
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:55.760
supposed to do when they behave the
way that they do? So back to

910
01:11:56.520 --> 01:11:59.720
the smaller end of the pool if
you don't mind, I mean, because

911
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:03.600
you're you're done with the top fives
and all that stuff, right, Okay,

912
01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:06.079
So back to the smaller end of
the pool. We talked about the

913
01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:11.680
Parkers and their ownership of a they
say convenience store looks like a liquor store.

914
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:13.960
To me, maybe it's a little
bit of column A, a little

915
01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:16.479
bit of column B. Maybe it's
a convenience store that sells a lot of

916
01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:21.039
booze whatever, and they didn't card
the kid properly because he was using his

917
01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:26.399
brother's ID to show that he was
over twenty one. And the guy's name

918
01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:30.920
was Buster, just like my dog. But anyway, no, that's true.

919
01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:39.119
True, that's the murder case keeps
on giving with the craziness. Okay,

920
01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:43.680
But there's more to it, because
there was stuff going on before the

921
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:51.119
murder and what before this boating accident, another wrongful death circumstance, which is

922
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:57.359
overly complicated, crazy came up during
the murder trial and was certainly given a

923
01:12:57.399 --> 01:13:02.239
whole lot more daylight in the news
outside of South Carolina. And you got

924
01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:04.520
a little something on that, don't
you. There was another case. What

925
01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:12.960
was that? Okay? That is
regarding his housekeeper, right, okay.

926
01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:16.000
Gloria Centerfield, a humble, hard
working mother of two, was employed as

927
01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:20.720
a housekeeper and nanny for the Murdoch
family for two decades. It's twenty years.

928
01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:27.840
So she raised those boys right basically. After her tragic trip and faul

929
01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:31.399
death at their home in twenty eighteen, she and her family became one of

930
01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:36.399
Alex's many victims. If you look
at the if you look at all the

931
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:42.359
victims of Alex, said Centerfield's family
attorney, Eric Glands, they were either

932
01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:46.079
people who were extremely vulnerable, people
who are not only vulnerable because of their

933
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:51.560
lack of education or their lack of
sophistication. Whether it's the worst, worst

934
01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:57.920
time in their lives, Alex little
off scheme, the prophet off Centerfield's death

935
01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:02.520
worked until her son's read an article
in the paper about a wrongful death settlement

936
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:06.840
that should have awarded them money.
However, they had never seen a dime

937
01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:16.720
of it. So basically he filed
Alec Murdock filed a wrongful death lawsuit against

938
01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:24.680
himself for so NBA for behalf of
the family because they never saw any money.

939
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:29.399
The real piece of work, right, So this is previous to the

940
01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:32.199
murder. This is one of the
many schemes that he pulled. And his

941
01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:35.319
whole crying thing in court was I
was a drug addict, so I you

942
01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:40.720
know, I needed to supply my
drug habit with these schemes and scams.

943
01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:45.720
And one of them was his housekeeper
of twenty years tripped and fell, okay,

944
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:51.159
allegedly tripped and fell at his home
and died. So there's a whole

945
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:55.680
thing, whether she tripped over the
dog or not. Did she actually fall

946
01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:59.600
down the stairs once she pushed even
Okay, let's not go there, but

947
01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:02.119
here here he is, well,
he admitted, he admitted, any lied

948
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:08.439
that that didn't happen. She didn't
trip over the dogs? Right, yeah,

949
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:10.159
no, no, no, I
got I got it. Yeah,

950
01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:15.479
yeah, go ahead. These boys
were entitled to seven point five million dollars

951
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:20.119
for the for the wrongful death money
that Alec collect them, right, right.

952
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:25.199
They didn't see of his right,
So let's get that straight. Okay.

953
01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:27.720
So remember they said she's a working
mother of two. It was these

954
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:31.439
two boys and they came across an
article in a newspaper saying that there was

955
01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:36.239
a wrongful death suit about their mother
and it was multi millions of dollars and

956
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:39.880
they never got paid. They kept
getting, you know, lipped from him

957
01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:42.920
about him working on it, and
I'm working on it. They trusted him.

958
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:45.359
He said, look, I'm gonna
sue myself. You know, I

959
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:50.039
am going to sue myself and give
you money. Because really what he was

960
01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:57.640
doing is getting money out of his
law firm and insurance companies and things like

961
01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:01.720
that. And the idea I think
was to siphon most of it to himself

962
01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:03.840
and then tell them, hey,
look, here's a settlement for you,

963
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:08.119
and then everybody wins kind of thing. I think that was what it was

964
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:11.800
in his mind. That's what it
seemed like when he described some of this

965
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:15.039
stuff later. And he's copped a
part of this, but not all of

966
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:18.760
it, right, And yeah,
So these kids read about this seven million

967
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:23.239
dollars and they go, wait a
minute, we never got anything. So

968
01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:25.800
they go back to him, Hey, Alec, what's going on man?

969
01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:31.560
And this is before he supposedly kills
his son and wife, Okay, which

970
01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:36.880
again is tied to covering up another
scheme, another scam. According to the

971
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:41.079
prosecutors, that that's you know,
I don't know. I got a little

972
01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:45.119
bit of a hard time buying the
whole thing. But there is definitely funky

973
01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:49.159
and ugly things happening here. Okay. So this guy's scheming and scamming,

974
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:53.199
willing to kill or let people die, or take advantage of people who have

975
01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:58.159
just lost family members, etc.
Clearly somebody who probably even if he wasn't

976
01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:02.640
directly guilty of the running down of
his family members, probably everybody's better off.

977
01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:09.720
He's in prison, just saying all
right, But back to the wrongful

978
01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:14.039
death thing. This is a weird
double reversal because here's the funny thing.

979
01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:20.520
His son could probably turn around and
sue him for a wrongful death considering he

980
01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:24.159
was convicted. That could be a
piece of evidence, but not the only

981
01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:28.319
piece of evidence entered into a wrongful
death thing. Could probably turn around and

982
01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:30.760
sue him and try and get that
point made that he is clearly responsible in

983
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:35.399
a civil way and maybe asked for
compensation for the fact that he lost his

984
01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:41.640
mother and his brother and his whole
family's destroyed because of Dad's actions. Thus

985
01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:45.279
far, he's actually defended his father
and everything. But there are wrongful death

986
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:51.119
lawsuits flying all over the Murdock case, and some of them were happening before

987
01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:56.680
he allegedly committed murder. I mean, I'm just saying allegedly committed because he

988
01:17:56.760 --> 01:18:02.039
was convicted. I'm not clear on
that even But still, these are the

989
01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:06.479
games that lawyers play. But I
again asked the moral question outside of the

990
01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:11.960
legalistic outside of the courtroom drama,
which is clearly in play all over the

991
01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:16.520
place with the murdof thing, and
the outside of courtroom settlement constantly an issue

992
01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:21.520
when it came to all of his
previous bad acts. Okay, I know

993
01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:25.439
I'm sounding like courtroom again. I
don't want to go courtroom drama. No,

994
01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:27.840
no, no, no no.
Let's go back to the moral implication.

995
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:32.359
Wrongful death is their rightful death.
I don't see one. But is

996
01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:36.840
there one that might just be incidental
as opposed to wrongful? Is that the

997
01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:41.520
opposite? No, it doesn't seem
like it, but incidental could be option

998
01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:47.800
number three. Wrongful whatever rightful of
righteousness and incidental just happened and there was

999
01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:54.119
nothing anybody could do about it.
Maybe, and are you responsible simply if

1000
01:18:54.119 --> 01:18:56.880
you didn't prevent it? Well,
there you go. That was part of

1001
01:18:56.920 --> 01:19:00.000
the case with the housekeeper there,
because she was laying there injured allegedly for

1002
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:05.159
a while, and there was an
issue about whether Murda went and got her

1003
01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:09.960
help in time, and why wouldn't
he have done that with a housekeeper he

1004
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:13.560
had for twenty years. Well,
maybe she caught on to some of his

1005
01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:15.560
scheming and scamming and stuff going on, and maybe some of the drugs,

1006
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:24.960
and either she conveniently fell down some
steps or something else occurred here that would

1007
01:19:25.079 --> 01:19:30.279
allow for a cover up if he
just let her pass. I don't know.

1008
01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:34.239
The whole thing is ugly. There's
a lot of ugliness to unpack.

1009
01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:38.920
And I don't think we solved anything
here today except to ask the question what

1010
01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:42.520
is literally a wrongful death? Still? And we got a couple of definitions

1011
01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:45.920
missus O. Redham from some of
the articles that will give you references to

1012
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:50.720
in the show notes. But did
we successfully solve the mystery in my mind

1013
01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:55.720
of what the moral implication is?
We know what the legal idea is,

1014
01:19:56.479 --> 01:20:01.640
sure, but the moral implication is
there a rightful death? And I guess

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there could be a rightful death considering
something is rightfully done as opposed to wrongfully

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01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:15.159
done, so could be considered rightfully
executed death in my opinion, killing in

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01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:21.760
self defense rightful death maybe so,
unless it's a mercy killing or one in

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01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:28.760
self defense. Maybe that's the only
rightful ones you could have, right I

1019
01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:31.039
don't know. Well, I don't
know. As we were talking last night,

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I think that well, there's an
example, perfect example of the man

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01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:42.319
in Philadelphia whose little girl was shot
by the neighbor because she was riding her

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01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:45.680
scooter back and forth in front of
the guy's house. He didn't like it

1023
01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:47.640
till he went out and he shot
the little girl. Now to me,

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01:20:50.039 --> 01:20:56.399
that that father turned around and shot
that man dead, to me, that's

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01:20:56.439 --> 01:21:00.680
a that's a righteous murder. Yeah, I could see giving that a rightful

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01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:06.119
death ruling. And again self defense
might be the rightful death. Maybe that's

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01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:13.119
a rightful an earned death if you
will, right, Okay, I get

1028
01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:15.880
the point there, and that's a
possibility. But is that the way that

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01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:17.600
people are going to view it?
And by the way, doesn't this mean

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01:21:17.680 --> 01:21:24.239
that almost every single egregious murder case
or manslaughter case is eligible for this kind

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01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:30.119
of thing? Or maybe it's well
said something about negligence, Yeah, but

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01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:34.640
it doesn't death. Yeah, but
it doesn't have to be negligence. It's

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01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:41.159
common negligence. It could be negligence, and or say so it's not also

1034
01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:45.720
has to be negligence, but negligence
could be an element because in the case

1035
01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:49.479
of that guy willfully shooting that little
girl, guess what, no negligence there.

1036
01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:54.800
It's a willful act. That's not
I didn't care and I let something

1037
01:21:54.840 --> 01:22:00.359
happen. That's I took an action, A willful action, a will full

1038
01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:06.000
wrongful death. Right. So yeah, yeah, see what I mean.

1039
01:22:06.399 --> 01:22:13.760
So it's not about that. It's
about yeah, moralistically, willful action one

1040
01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:17.560
thing, and negligence could be I
just didn't care, didn't pay attention,

1041
01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:21.960
I didn't follow through, I didn't
take some other action quick enough, et

1042
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:29.680
cetera. And that could be your
negligence. So for you know, negligence,

1043
01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:31.960
Yeah, because they should have known
better and should have taken better action

1044
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:38.560
than they did. But that's a
wrongful death suit. Well, but that's

1045
01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:42.119
my point, you see, is
that, Okay, I get it,

1046
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.319
that's a wrongful death. But in
other cases, I mean, o j

1047
01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:48.000
it's not the actions that he shouldn't
have taken. I mean, it's not

1048
01:22:48.079 --> 01:22:50.439
the actions he should have taken.
He could have taken some Yeah, I

1049
01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:56.119
guess he could have not showed up
and killed those two people. Uh,

1050
01:22:56.359 --> 01:22:59.359
you know. But that's but there's
no like, oh, well, there

1051
01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:02.760
was an action I should have taken
here. I don't know. It's very

1052
01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:08.640
dicey. It's just there's a difference
between they actively participated and they just dropped

1053
01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:11.800
the ball and let it happen.
You know what I'm saying. There's a

1054
01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:15.199
difference between making something happen and letting
something happen. I'm thinking, and of

1055
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:18.720
course this same sort of debate happens
when it comes to hate crimes, right,

1056
01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:23.800
because hate crimes, after all,
what is it that you're punishing,

1057
01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:28.039
Not the crime itself. We get
that there's a crime, but it's the

1058
01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:33.600
additional thought process connected to the crime, And in this case is that not

1059
01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:39.279
sometimes the case and then again sometimes
not. I think the wrongful death concept

1060
01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:42.319
go ahead and mute up, missus, oh, because we need dogs are

1061
01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:46.319
trying to chime in, and we're
about out of time anyway. But wrongful

1062
01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:48.840
death is one of those concepts I
think we're going to wrestle with for a

1063
01:23:48.920 --> 01:23:57.159
while, and with good reason,
because it is still a bit ambiguous on

1064
01:23:57.239 --> 01:24:00.319
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