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beginning, and there's something to handle immediately here. Wrongful deaths. Interesting that
phrase to me. Okay, so I'm joined by missus Z. Of course
we could be joined by other people giving us journalistic views on future shows.
I'm batting that idea around as well, but let's just see how it goes.
Anyway, missus Z, how about you help me out and tell me
what a wrongful death is. According to the definition, okay, wrongful death
the death of a human being as the results of a wrongful act of another
person suss. Wrong flacks include negligence like caless driving, an intentional attack such
as assault and or battery, a death in the course of another crime,
vehicular manslaughter, manslaughter or murder. Okay, And some of this stuff has
been in the news lately, and there are many many different things we could
reference, and in the next segment we'll get into some of the history.
But let's talk about one of the most recent ones that might immediately spurn one
of those new lawsuits. And again we're not getting into the courtroom action necessarily,
I don't want to do that. But the fact that there is a
wrongful death concept one begs the question, is there such a thing as a
rightful death or a righteous death? Okay, if someone is murdered, manslaughtered,
accidentally killed, negligently homicided, etc. Yes, I know I didn't
use the timber properly, but nonetheless you get the idea. If that happens,
is there a rightful way? Is there a righteous way? That's always
my question, and I guess that's the question. Maybe we'll try an answer
here. But anyway, in a recent news story, there's a wife of
a man who died. This is from let's see the Yahoo news under insider,
and I'll give you the links to all this stuff. In the show
notes, the wife of a man who died after starting a fight at a
Patriots game says her husband was verbally taunted by other fans. Authorities say they're
trying to figure out what happened. And this was published on the twenty first,
excuse me, of September twenty twenty three, that thing allegedly according to
a calendar, So this was only published a few days ago, because it's
the twenty fourth as I speak. And one does wonder right away if there's
going to be a wrongful death suit against the stadium where the Patriots play,
or if it'll be against the crowd, certain members of the crowd that will
probably be identified through CTV, etc. Yeah, And is there a rightful
death here? Possible? I mean, is this just a brawl from a
season ticket holder that that somebody could say as well? Just incidental? I
mean, is incidental something it just you know, comes along with the territory,
just happens. Is it a rightful death or a righteous death when it's
in a military context? Oh wait a minute, that's a whole other,
ugly legalistic problem. Anyway, It's not about the legalistic end of it.
It's just about the phrase and what it means. A wrongful death seems like
if the death came prematurely, it's altogether wrongful no matter what. And in
other cases you get, you know, charges of stuff, right, which
means I guess we're going to have to go into some history. But again,
let's go into some more recent history and tap into some of these other
things. Everybody remember that guy Brandon Laundry, Right, he disappeared for a
while, and so did his girlfriend. What was your name again, Gabby?
Right, Gabby Potito? Is that what it was Anyways, I remember
her, I remember him. What are your thoughts on that, missus?
Oh, well, his name is Brian, Brian Laundry, that's Brian Laundry.
Well, the parents of of Gabby sued his parents were wrongful death.
They're saying that that the parents of Brian Laundry knew where he was all that
time when he was missing, so they sued wrongful death lawsuit against them.
And they're also suing the Utah police because they were pulled over before obviously before
she was killed. They were they were fighting and some people called the police
and they pulled them over and they separated them for a while and they had
to say in separate hotel rooms for the night to cool off. But the
parents of Gavy Petito are suing the mobs Utah police for fifty million dollars.
And we all remember that viral clip because that was a big deal for a
long time, all over the media of all sorts, right, people analyzing
it taking a look at it, the bodycam footage when they were separating,
debating about what this was is this domestic violence wasn't heard just off for meds,
etc. But we have a clip from NBC News about the current circumstance,
which is that wrongful death lawsuit. This is from Let's see is this?
I guess it's a short from YouTube on NBC News. Let's just play
the audio for you guys, and we'll hear it for ourselves here, so
you and I will both mute up. Missus, Oh and take a listen
to this. Judge and Florida is a warning Gavy Petito's family three million dollars
and their wrongful death lawsuit against Brian Laundry's parents alleged the Laundries knew that their
son murdered Thea Tito last August. The money will go towards the Gappy Patito
Foundation. Yeah, okay, so that was a real short, well edited
clip to tell you that that one was handled. So they were awarded three
million dollars in a wrongful death lawsuit against Brian Laundry's parents because again their claim
being that they knew exactly where he was, they knew where she was,
they knew what was going on. Maybe they knew she had he had already
killed her and didn't turn him in and therefore they're involved. Now, wait
a minute, is that accessory after the fact? I mean, because clearly
this was a murder or homicide of some sort. Well, could have been
a manslaughter. I guess a little difference. Oh, het getting into the
legalistic end of it. But it's a wrongful death and they're holding not him
responsible because well he and around nowhere. He's gone, but the parents are
still around and they're getting held responsible. So what are your thoughts on that?
Like the parents maybe knowing that something was going on, so now they're
pulled in and that's three mill that's I mean, I don't know if they're
ever going to collect it or I don't remember what the Gabby Petito Foundation is,
but I know they started a foundation of sorts. But anyways, what
are your thoughts on that? Missus All Well, I'm not even sure how
they can prove that they knew about it. How do you prove that?
That's a good question. I mean, I guess you could say that,
you know, since they maybe there's physical proof that they were with him at
the time. Who knows, with all the recordings being taken to people nowadays,
maybe there was a back and forth. Hey Dad, you know what
happened. I know what happened. We'll just leave it at that and maybe
he was getting ready to upload it to his Instagram or something, because these
people were constantly uploading things to Instagram and stuff. Right, yeah, on
their trips they were. But there was always people after the fact, when
he had come home by himself, there were always people outside their house screaming,
you know, with bullhorns, about turning him in and tell us where
he is. But at the end of the day, how can you prove,
like, let's just say that that you did something wrong and I'm bringing
you food and whatnot unless I physically get caught doing it. How can you
prove that I know where you were and I knew about it, And unless
you know, I say something that clearly they didn't say anything, turn their
son in, give him up. So I don't understand how you can actually
prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt that they knew. Now, grant
it's not criminal, it's civil, but it's still a lawsuit and you're claiming
that they knew everything about it. I just don't understand how it can be
absolutely proven. I hate the fact that we got to go back again into
courtroom drama. Screw that, you know what, why is it their responsibility?
How about if their son. Do we know? I mean, look
at it this way. If you came to give me food and I was
on the run somewhere, and maybe I told you, even if you saw
in the news that I was a suspect, a prime suspect, the only
suspect, and I said, do you listen, I'm hiding over here.
I didn't do what they said I did. I don't know what to do,
but I'm hiding over here. I'm trying to figure out what to do.
And you brought me food, you gave me a comfort, shelter,
assistance. You know, how do they know that? That's it's almost like
you gotta know what was in somebody's mind. Were they participate? And besides
that, how are they responsible for the death? This is after the fact.
I'm not looking for the legal answer. I'm talking about, how is
it that they're responsible? You see, you are responsible. You're being held
liable, You're being held responsible for a wrongful death. Well what part of
the death did they participated? You see what I'm saying? Like, even
if you say, okay, they helped him, knew he did it,
so they're helping him get away, all right, I guess that's part of
it. But what what what I mean? They're not in on the death
itself. It's not like Dad called him up and said, look, hit
her on the head this hard and she'll go. You know, you know
what I'm saying, right, So what does that mean? Yeah? I
mean and and like you said, they're they're also going to go ahead and
start a suit with the you know, the MOAD police Department because they didn't
look into it hard enough. Cool. I get that part, uh,
But but still I wonder, Well, that's that's a judgment call. That's
a little difficult. And it's like, you know, Okay, there's no
way with humans involved in the equation, you're always going to make the right
decision. I mean, wow, am I going to defend a copy here?
I might? Uh, there's no way with humans involved in the decision
that the decision is always going to be the best one. In hindsight,
you'll be able to see things. But does that mean, hey, look,
we better get more intense about flagging down on every single thing that looks
even the least bit suspicious, just in case something else goes wrong in the
future, because we'll be responsible for a wrongful death. See again, they
didn't participate in the death, and was it blatant on their part? I
mean, did they see the guy standing over at her with a knife and
go, well, look it looks like they're play acting. We'll just let
it go. I mean, it's not an egregious, stupid thing that these
guys did negligence. It seems like to me. I don't know. I'll
tell you what else. I tried to pull up the article for the kid
who died in the gym matt, which look, I was going to read
from the article, but it keeps popping a virus on me. Thank you
thirteen MSA News. I keep trying to go to it because it happened in
Georgia. Okay, and yeah, there's stupid website is loaded with some McAfee
crap that is trying to invade my computer. So I'm not going to go
to that article. But in case people don't remember, you know what I'm
talking about, missus, Oh the case with the kid in the in the
who was in the gym matt that was rolled up and dead. Do you
want me to try to get the article? No, I don't even try
to get the article, just go from memory. If you wouldn't mind,
and you know, just talk about this with me, because look, they're
gonna go for a one billion dollars suit according to thirteen maz right. I
mean, I guess they're going to try and sue everybody, the school,
the police, everybody. And clearly that investigation appears to have been botched and
not handled properly. But I asked again, are they involved in the death?
I mean, to my to my understanding, we still don't have an
answer as to who was actually involved in the death of this kid, do
we h. No, they're saying that it was an accident that he fell
head first into the rolled up jim trying to get his sneaker. His name
is Kendrick Johnson. Happened in Valdosta, Valdosta, George in twenty thirteen,
right, ten years ago. Ten years ago. They claimed this kid died
of as a result of an accident. But maybe he didn't. And what
about the investigation and who was involved? Because I mean, he did look
beat up. I mean, is it possible that you know, this is
just the wildly coyote stupid thing that happened to this kid. I guess that's
a tragedy. That's terrible. Could it be that you hold the school responsible
they should have had things safety better so that there wasn't this possibility. I
don't know a lot of things you could ask, but I want to know
how it is they're being held responsible, because again, who would morally be
responsible if this were an accident? What do you think? Well? I
think it's a little bit stinky. I mean the whole Oh yeah, no,
it it stinks. But yeah, the two kids that are cues are
who I wouldn't say cues because they didn't go to court, but who were
believed to have had something to do with it. You know, their father's
a big investigator with the FBI, and you know, it seems like an
awful lot of covering up going on, so, you know, it thinks
it sounds as though the investigation wasn't done completely okay, but bad investigation,
bad pursuit, bad inquiry, mishandling of law enforcement responsibilities, et cetera.
Maybe maybe I just concede all that, and I tell you, yeah,
you know what, you're right, right, right, right right right?
Check check check? How are they liable for the wrongful death? You see
what I'm going I'm looking at the suit trying to find that the actual court
papers are are they being sued for the wrongful death or are they being sued
for incompetence. Well, I saw wrongful death lawsuit. Now look it could
be that there are other lawsuits that get you know, just kind of swept
into this headline, swept into this. You know, I don't know file
so to speak. You know, Look, it's about the wrongful death.
Maybe people throw that around, but again, I don't want the technicality of
the court. I want to know how it is. Just let's just look
at how you can hold somebody responsible right a wrongful death. I mean,
even in the case of a vehicle accident, if somebody's drinking and driving,
you say, okay, they're clearly culpable for a wrongful death in a car
accident. But people die in car accidents constantly, and unless you can find
some direct, you know, action of negligence on the operator of the other
cars or other vehicle or something's part, there's no wrongful death. It's just
an accident, you know. So my big question is, again, how
do you morally Because first of all, you got to have a moral problem,
a conundrum, an issue before you can get into the legal case,
right, So how do you hold somebody responsible? I don't know what's going
on with your computer there, but how do you hold somebody responsible at all
for a wrongful death? So anyway, if your computer will let you,
go ahead and tell us about that. I mean, what do you think?
I'm sorry? Can you repeat that? I was turning the volume down
on the computer so I can listen to you and not to be things.
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but we are chatting the Sunday Sloper Segment two and here we go. What
about the history of this? I know what comes to my mind historically regarding
wrongful death lawsuits. I mean, they've been around a while, quite a
while, but really past I don't know, three decades or so, they've
gotten a prominence in the news and stuff, and uh, you know,
I also think to myself about the Martin Luther King Junior thing where there was
a wrongful death lawsuit. It was a civil suit, that's where they had
that in Memphis, and they got it on the record that there was a
conspiracy involved there, but there wasn't a big multimillion dollar reward check into what
the actual award to the King family was despite the fact that it was a
moral victory. Anyway, I'm still asking the question about wrongful death, and
maybe we'll see it better if we take a look at the history, because
people might have become more litigious in the past I don't know, decade or
two. Maybe they've gotten more access to the idea. And there's a whole
lot more lawyers out there because more and more get produced every single year,
and some of them are out there slumming and looking for the ambulance chaser type
jobs, etc. Etc. And I guarantee a lot of those guys get
involved in these wrongful death things. But there's also a guy named Crumb who
seems every time that there is someone of color and the police involved, he
wants to get involved. There's always settlements lawsuits there. Anyway, I don't
want to go for the courtroom drama. But let's get a list of the
historical instances. I think missus O has the top five as listed by the
way. What website is that top five from missus O? And go ahead
and tell us about the top five wrongful death lawsuits settlements? Okay, d
law groups dot com and see to the site I'm looking at. I can
drop that in the chat real quick. I'll read their definition of wrongful death
and then I'll go through the five. Wrongful death is a legal term that,
although use frequently in litigation and even news reports, it is not always
understood. Wrongful death it's a part of personal injury law. It can encompass
a variety of claims, including medical malpractice, assault and battery, or serious
car accidents. If you hear the phrase wrongful death, it's most likely referring
to a civil suit brought by a family member or eligible survivor of a person
who died to someone's negligence or misconduct. Okay, so, in the wrongful
death lawsuit, the goal is to recover damages in three different categories, economic,
punitive, and non economic. Even if criminal charges have been filed and
lost, wrongful death lawsuits may still be pursued. Some of the most famous
wrongful death cases include State of California versus O. Jason's. In nineteen ninety
four, Nicole Brown Simpson, the ex wife of O. J. Simpson,
and Ron Goldman were both found dead from stab wounds outside Brown's Los Angeles
home. Simpson was acquitted in the criminal case despite strong evidence signing into the
murders. A subsequent wrongful death sibbles claim was filed. The cool Brown's children
were awarded twelve point six million through her estate, and the victims families were
awarded thirty three point five million income compensatory and peanut of damages in the wrongful
death decision. Okay, hang on just a second there, because this is
actually under RUFO v. Simpson two thousand and one. Okay, and this
is from the justia dot com cases files, and that'll be included with the
show notes. I'll try and get it over Toocelly dot com real quick to
put it in the live chat. Of course, you can always run back
to live chat at ochelly dot com when you want to and get yourself references
to things that are going on during the show. Even if fits long after.
You can roll it back according to the date and take a look if
you like. But you never know, you never know what it is.
We might drop in there. So I put the descriptor for that lawsuit in
at the chat room. Anyway. It tells you the number and it says
it's Sharon Ruffo at all Plaintiffs and Respondents v Oorental James Simpson. That would
be OJ in case you didn't know, defendant and appellant Superior Court of Los
Angeles blah blah. All right, counsel, they list the council and the
opinion introduction. Consolidated civil actions arise from the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and
Ronald Lyle Goldman. A jury found the defendant, OJ Orenthal James Simpson committed
these homicides willfully and wrongfully with oppression and malice. Sharon Ruffo and Frederick Goldman,
the parents and heirs of Ronald Goldman, were awarded eight point five million
compensed story damages on their causes of action for a wrongful death. Okay,
gonna pause there, because when you have compensatory that means compensation, and when
you have you know, the others, those are just sort of moral victories.
We get to say that, well, bottom line. And Lewis H.
Brown, as personal representative of these states of Nicole Brown Simpson, was
awarded minor compensatory damages blah blah blah blah. The cause of action Nicole Brown
Simpson would have had if yeah, they like, this is about what she
would have earned if she had been allowed to live. Stuff like that awarded
to her estate. Obviously that involves the children eventually, but somebody else is
handling at one of the Brown family, Lewis H. Brown. I forget
who he is exactly, but anyway, the point is that there's compensation involved
in some cases, and then it's a matter of well, just responsibility being
ascribed in civil matter, all right. I get that in this kind of
a case, because the idea is even though he, you know, was
acquated on charges in the criminal court, we want a different victory. But
sometimes these people go after it even when there has been a criminal conviction.
Sometimes and just like you read in the definition, which by the way,
it's not the top five lawsuits, but five good examples according to them,
they just you know, these are prominent examples. So I see they noted
that there. They're not the top five, but we only got through one
so far. I'm gonna let you continue on with that in just a second.
But the deal is there, there's a bunch there, but I don't
get some of them. This one makes sense to me. And this is
the first one that came to my mind, even though I mentioned the King
case, because it's one of the ones that I've actually had to study and
read the transcript on that. Okay, but and I read some of this
stuff before the transcripts from the uh you know the Goldman uh you know Simpson
kind of deal rufo obviously and all that. I went through that and Fred
Golden and was the you know, the prominent guy he saw in the news
with the big mustache and everything, and they certainly went to try and collect
stuff. And then that later on led to the whole thing about you know,
what happened to OJ's memorabilia, and then the case where he did go
to prison over that situation in Vegas. And I'm one of these nuts,
you know, of the opinion that he probably wasn't guilty of that mess in
Vegas, but somebody wanted to nail him because he was guilty of the murders.
Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, but I'll tell you what.
That's the way it looked to me. And I was watching that trial every
day, and that trial was in the nineties, but of course in two
thousand and one they finally got this ruling. So anyway, back to the
other because that's only one of the five examples, right, so there's four
more. Go ahead, missus, oll give us the other four, all
right. The next one is Michael Jackson. In two thousand and nine,
Michael Jacksons died of an overdose from the anesthetic football. I don't know if
I'd pronounced that correct. Mary Jackson Soctor was administering the drug and was convicted
in two eleven of involuntary homicide. The Jackson family dropped their wrongful death case
against doctor Murray, but pursued acclaim against AEG, the late musician's concert promoter.
The Jackson's family ultimately lost that case in twenty thirteen, but it is
known as one of the most famous wrongful death actions. Ah. Okay,
so there's a case of a loss, and one might say that going after
the doctor sounds logical if in some way the music company's treatment of Jackson contributed
to his death. Okay, I could understand that too. But they lost
that and didn't pursue the doctor. And one would think the doctor would be
somebody worthy of pursuing because he actually took some you know, willful action,
which directly and that was that propofol that you know, using that paralytic drug
to basically give him a sleeping pill on demand, but a paralytic drug nonetheless,
and his administration of it led directly to Jackson's death, So you know,
I would think that would be a logical one. But yet here we
go, no ruling in favor of the people trying to get either compensation or
proper representation of liability in that death. So that's the way that turned out.
But again, I don't want to delve too deep into the courtroom drama.
Here go ahead, tell us the next one. Okay, the next
one is Flando Castile. Castilla, at black Man, was killed in two
sixteen by a Minnesota police officer after a routine traffic stop. In twenty seventeen,
the officer was cleared a second degree murder, sparking protests and calls for
reform. A wrong flip depth civil action was brought shortly thereafter. In the
final settlement, Castilli's family was awarded three million in wrong fo de damages.
Right. Yeah, cop should have been thrown in jail. Now, how
that cop didn't go to jail kills me too, because I saw that video.
I see the circumstance. I mean, a guy with a legal gun
says listen, I'm armed. Cop shot him through a closed door. You
know, sat and his girlfriend in the front. Oh, yeah, yeah,
the girlfriend and the baby get to you know, witness him bleed out
pretty much because he didn't make it. That was that and that was a
horror show. And three million, okay, now Fernando Castillo or you know,
and here we go into what is the value ascribed? Right? This
guy's worth three million? Uh you know, I mean you might get thirty
bucks for me hunt, you know, if somebody shoots me like this.
I'm just saying, I don't know if it'd be worth filing. But they
give different values and all this stuff, and it is based on usually what
you go for and what it is you claim they could have earned, and
what it is that they their responsibilities were, et cetera. All right,
I get all that, and in this case again I would go for this
one and they got a result, unlike the Jackson family who got nothing.
Anyway, what's right, what's the next one on the list. The next
one is George Floyd and the sucking act of brutality. Police officer Derek Schauvin
knelt down on George Floyd's neck during an arrest in twenty twenty, leading to
his death. Floyd's wrongful death case caught the attention of the entire world.
The city of Minneapolis agreed to pay twenty seven million dollars wrongful death settlement to
Floyd's family. Additionally, Schauvin was criminally convicted for second degree their degree and
second degree man slaughter. They said second degree twice. But yeah, yeah,
well and there you go. Look again, opinions divided the country.
So I don't need to go back over that, do I probably not sparked
a bit of a movement, you know, the summer of George Floyd,
all of this, and there were others, you know, that died around
that time period that became part of this whole thing. And people are still
angry about the idea that there was damage done to cities and oh that was
all black lives matters, riots and so on and so forth. But see
again, let's get back to the first thing. And even there it's devisive
because people were saying, now, this guy killed himself because he was taking
drugs, etcetera, etcetera. Okay, but would he be dead had it
not been for that situation? And they just agreed to pay it. They
didn't even take that to court, did they. I don't believe so.
And why is this guy worth twenty seven million and Castillo's worth three. See,
it's a weird thing to look at when people are being balanced out in
the court as to what is the worth of a human life? Isn't that
a bit you know? And like I said, may maybe you get thirty
bucks for me, right, And hey, if somebody's ninety years old,
they wouldn't have lived much longer anyway. I mean, maybe they're only worth
a grand or two, right, I mean, if you don't have a
long light ahead of you. So what I mean? You know, seriously,
what does that mean? I'm serious though? Why is one guy worth
twenty seven million? Oh? I know why he's worth twenty seven million is
because all the media attention, right yeah? But other than that, in
a real moral see, I'm back to the moral instead of illegal. I
don't want to do courtroom drama. This is not law and Order SVU,
So screw the courtroom drama. Tell me why it is that this guy's worth
so much more money. And by the way, I'm one of these people
who thinks that George Floyd was wrongfully killed by the cops. And please don't
write to me about it. We've already done this. I'm sick of talking
about it. But the point is that what is the value ascribed here and
wrongful death? Okay? Is if you take the position that the cops actions
led to the wrongful death, I mean, do you sue the company to
sue the city? Do you sue everybody? Right? Well, in this
case, the city paid. You know, the city obviously has twenty seven
million dollars. It doesn't say in the Philanda castilling case if the officer was
responsible for paying three million, or the city the city where he was from,
the state of Minnesota. Yeah, we'll see. But grant you that
a city or a state or whatever has more access to cash. Now,
it doesn't mean that they can afford twenty seven million dollars just simply awarded to
a family. Uh, that doesn't produce something within the city. Right.
People want a bitch about their property taxes getting collected or whatever. But here's
the thing. If your money has to go toward that hell of an expense,
you know, I'm not making the judgment here again in a courtroom,
because as you can see, these these results do vary. But what I'm
saying is moralistically, who is really responsible here? I mean, is it
the cops actions. Is that the training of the police is that, you
know. And again, they didn't even take it to court and argue it.
They just said, look, we'll just pay you. Probably they sought
more money. And I guarantee you that guy Crump was involved in this thing.
Oh yeah, that's a promise. And again, even if you agree
with them or disagree with them or whatever else, I'm talking about the implication
of a wrongful death in the first place. So and what that actually means.
Meanwhile, what do you got one? Two more? Right? I
had one more? But I do have a quick question. Sure, I
don't remember the name of the kid, but a little boy who wanted to
be Rambo for the day and went into that city and was shooting people.
You remember one time out he got cleared from murder. Oh oh oh yeah,
yeah yeah right. No, I'm wondering. I don't think any of
the family members of the people that he killed will then he wrongful death.
I'm curious as to why. Yeah, I don't know. You know what,
And here's the thing that could still come up, right, and that's
the kid that they decided was not responsible for. You know, this is
the kid in Kenosha right in Wisconsin, who crossed state lines and was under
age with the weapon. But he was out there supposedly defending businesses. Blah
blah blah. Forget his name. I don't even care. He was a
kid who was crying in court. Again, super divisive issue. Now,
even if he's not criminally liable, is he responsible for wrongful death? Well?
Is it a wrongful death? He? Now? Now we get into
another question and one that I don't even want to answer, because I think
this kid is responsible, should have been held accountable, should have been just
put in prison and the story. But that's not the way the courts saw
it. So you know, I got to live with that decision. But
facts or facts, the civil decision is different than the criminal. So is
he responsible considering the fact that he pulled the trigger that did end lives,
you know, and actually maimed the hell out of somebody else? Is he
responsible for it? That's the big question? Uh? Yeah? And and
could somebody? I guess they could, But will they Maybe maybe they've already,
you know, settled something quietly out of court. Maybe there is no
settlement. Maybe they don't want to open that can of worms already because it
turned that kid into a celebrity when he was acquitted by the way, and
the Republicans were wanting to offer from a job bring him up on the hill.
They were talking about maybe trying to get him into the House of Representatives
even uh, yeah, I don't know at all. Yeah, And now
that kid has kind of quietly gone away from the news speeds, So I
don't know. Do you have one more? Yes, there's one more on
here, and it is Kobe Bryant. In two twenty one, Vanessa Bryant,
Kobe's widow, and families of additional victims in the tragic twenty twenty helicopter
crash, where awarded or confidential wrongful death settlement after filing a suit against the
company which employed the pilot. In two twenty three, a twenty eight million,
eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars wrongful death settlement was awarded to Vanessa Bryant
after filing a separate claim against Los Angeles County for police personnel sharing graphic images
of the crash with one another. Oh yeah, but see now that was
an invasion of privacy kind of thing where they were exploiting images of her husband
and daughter's dead bodies, right, So that lawsuit, yeah, I I
you know, look, usually when rich people go suing people, I am
not on their side, you know. But uh, and and trust me,
Kobe's widow is is gonna be fine with or without money. Okay,
she's got plenty of his money still. But well, usually about the money,
I mean they were disrespected. I mean the child, yeah, exactly,
No, no, no, no, I agree him, But that's
a dead Normally I would say, you know what, shut up, rich
lady and go away. But this was pretty egregious and pretty ugly that you
know you're gonna explore exploit a human beings death scene. Uh, you know,
for profit. No, I get it in this case. I get
it. Now onto the wrongful death part of it, where it's they're trying
to go after the helicopter pilot and I think the company, the corporation that
hired the guy in the first place or kept him employed, or I don't
know who else they're going after. But but the thing is, now we
get into this idea of corporate And by the way, I have a sound
clip to play from another case which I don't know a lot about, actually
a Malory beach. So why don't you tell us a little bit about that,
because let's see the headline and I'll give you guys this link in the
live chat room and also give it to you in the show notes. But
I mean the headline is video wrongful death lawsuit of Mallory Beach reaches settlement And
I don't even remember this wrongful death? What do you do? You have
anything on it? Or should we just go to the clip or what?
Well? I can I have something about it? Okay, and I have
just put it in the live chat room at o'chelly dot com for those of
you listening, or if you want to go back and roll it back or
go to your show notes if you're listening to the podcast. It's fine because
we're about up against the next break here on the sloper. But you know,
there it is. And I am going to play the audio from this
thing in a moment. So do you have it up or shall I go
to the audio? I have it all right. Mallory Beach was the young
woman that was killed on the boat with Alec Murdoch's son Paul. So a
settlement has been reached in the death of Mallory Beats, the woman killed in
South Carolina boat crash that's become the subject of national media attention. The insurance
company covering Greg Parker of Parker's Convenience Stores had settled with the family, according
to an attorney in the case. Okay, let's die on February twenty four,
two nineteen. Excellent, let's have yeah, let's hang on there,
because this ties to the Murdoll case. Okay, but it's about the now
deceased Paul Murdoch, right, who was getting sued. His family was getting
sued over this other accident that occurred. You know, I'm calling it an
accident because I don't have better words for it, where they were drunk driving
a boat and slammed into a bridge and all this other crap. This is
what it's about. I forgot by name. Mallory Beach. Is the name
I forgot, now you know? Yes? Yeah, okay, so now
I get it. And that's what it's tied to now, wrongful death because
somebody's negligent and they shouldn't have been drunk driving the damn boat and shouldn't have
been drinking in the first place, et cetera, et cetera. All sensible,
But when you're talking about these Parkers to settle with the family of Mallory
Beach. That's the people that own the joint where they got the beer and
the booze. Yeah. Yeah, that's the liquor store that he went into
with his brother's I okay, so let's just alcohol. Excellent. So let's
just play audio from this clip, which is let's see where's this from.
This is from the Low Country's newsleader. All Right, WCSC Channel five.
I don't know what network affiliate they are, but whatever it is, they
might be independent, or maybe they're one of those well not independent but appearing
to be independent whatever Sinclair Network people. I'm not sure. I don't know.
Let's find out and I'll just play this audio. Hopefully it doesn't blast
me a commercial here when I try and open it. But let's see what
happens regarding this settlement with the Mallory Beach family. So go ahead and mute
up, missus os so we don't interrupt this, and I'll be quiet also,
and we'll take a listen to this news report. It shouldn't take talking
cars or flying first. Hold on a second, guys, Yeah, so
of course they stuffed me with a commercial right out of the gate instead of
letting me go ahead. And you know right, we can't just play the
video and get and get the sound. No, I gotta go with this
stupid lawyer thing. So hold a second, folks, we'll get her done
in just a sec. Here. Yeah, they were hitting me with a
lawyer thing. Maybe they'll let me skip again. Foundation problems. We'll only
get bigger, more expensive. So I'm gonna I'm gonna just mute it and
let it play the commercial because it's not letting me skip the commercial. Thanks
Live Sunday Sloper. That's the way it goes. The Parkers that Parker's Corporation
will be paying fifteen million dollars to the family of Mallory Beach. Beach was
killed in a twenty nineteen accident while voting with the late Paul Murdoch, son
and victim of convicted killer Alec Murdoch. While investigating Beach's death, surveillance video
was found that shows Paul buying alcohol under age at Parker's convenience store the night
of the crash while using his brother Buster's ID. A family attorney also said
that fellow passengers on the boat that night have also settled claims against Parker's.
The settlement means the civil case that would have taken place August fourteenth will not
take place. Okay, So they settled instead of you jeez, all right,
and they hit me with another commercial right at the end, they settled
with with with a bunch of crap. They settled with everybody who was affected
by the fact that alcohol was served to an underage kid because of a bad
ID check at their convenience store. And this is very similar to the bartenders
getting sued over DUIs right, I mean, except not a car, it's
a boat. What is their level of responsibility and wrongful death? Is that
something they should be held liable for a lot of people would say yes.
And I've known people that were killed by drunk drivers. A matter of fact,
one of the first, not the first, but one of the first
traumatic deaths eyewitness in my life was as a result of a drunk driver nearly
took me by I don't know, six eight inches and took a friend of
mine when I was a kid. And yeah, so maybe I'm a little
by about this, but uh, should I have been able to sue that
lady too? And so should my friend's family In his wrongful death and in
the madness that became, you know, my nightmares for the next few years.
Maybe maybe so, maybe not, Maybe that influenced my behavior, CAUs
detrimental effects on me. I mean, lots of things to be said.
I think they went after him because they could. And probably this is a
fairly rich little family business thing. The Parkers, whoever they may be,
maybe if you're in South Carolina, they're famous people. I don't know.
But but here we go. Is it about the money or is it about
just getting recognition that there is a wrongful death, et cetera, et cetera.
I don't know if I'm going to include this link in the notes because
you're getting pummeled by commercials every time you touch it. But I guess that's
one way to go, giving out media and all that stuff. But here
we go with the consideration the history most recent, most distant. And I'll
tell you once again that the first thing that occurred to me when we started
talking about wrongful debts at all was certainly the OJA thing. But this conversation
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dot com as we put it out in podcast form. So number two is
all about the wrongful death. And we were talking about a small company,
seemingly a family owned business, likely a couple of layers of LLLC, the
Parkers getting sued over the beach. Right, the girl's name is Beach Malory
Beach over the Mallory Beach death, and it links to the Murdock case and
all that stuff. But you have a list of the top five corporate entities
or something like that. Now this is a top five list, not just
five of examples, but a top five list is sorts. So go ahead
and tell us about that, and missus though, okay, Johnson and Johnson
In twenty eighteen, a Missouri jury awarded four point six nine billion dollars in
damages to twenty two women who sued the corporation alleging that the use of their
top and powder products led to the development of ovarian cancer. Six of the
women named in the wrongful death suit had died from the disease. Okay,
pause there just for a second, because I point out this lawsuit all the
time. And why billion dollar lawsuit over baby powder? Is there a wrongful
death involvement here? If you willfully knowingly put something into baby powder that wound
up causing cancer? I kind of think so. And again I got no
sort of sympathy for corporations. Is anybody gonna bother to sue them over their
role in the opioid crisis? I don't know. I don't know, But
here we go again. Is it about the money or is it about the
moralistic end of it? And by the way, if it was only twenty
two women that were involved in that class action lawsuit, I know that there
is now today a bunch of commercials out there saying, hey, if you
were damaged by baby powder, get in touch with us, because we got
a class action lawsuit for you. So I don't know if that joins you
to this thing, this six billion dollars, or if there's yet another suit
against them. And oh, by the way, do you think Johnson and
Johnson can afford it? Probably anyway, good and tell us about the next
one on the list, okay, Bowing. In twenty twenty one, Bowing
agreed to pay two point five billion dollars to Suddlely, a wrongful death lawsuit
filed by the families of passengers who died in two crashes while traveling on the
company seven thirty seven Max planes. The crashes, which occurred in twenty eighteen
and twenty nineteen, resulted in the death of three hundred and forty six people,
and the controversy surrounding these events was featured in a next documentary, though
it does not give me the name of the documentary. Yeah, no problem,
we don't necessarily need it. I mean, after all, does anybody
who listens to this show, this network, or this type of radio have
any sort of mercy in their minds for the military industrial complex? I mean,
I guess if you're a stockholder, you might. But can Boeing absorb
that given all the money they make. Did they have problems with this one
particular big plane they did? Are they responsible for it? Who's responsible for
it? Or is it particular people, is it people on the factory floor,
is that the company as a whole? Again, moral responsibility for wrongful
death is still kind of an open question. But due to the fact that
I have got zero sympathy for the corporation, and usually they settle these things,
you know, which means they decided they'd rather just kind of admit some
sort of fault, although not publicly, maybe in the sealed documents, say
look, we were at fault, but we don't want the public to know
about it. Here's some money up, go away. Yeah, that's the
thing too. So anyway, that means that people weren't trying to make a
big, huge point of it and wanting to get all the details out there.
But maybe they wanted the money, or maybe they want them is great
enough to compensate them for all of the moral outrage that they had. And
well, there's something to be said for changing one's life, and you know
it, billions of dollars, even if a billion of that winds up funneling
to one particular family or something or many many millions, hundreds of millions to
particular families or whatever it is. Maybe that's compensation and recompense enough anyway,
So that's just two of them. What's the third one? Oh right,
Philip Morris. In two thousand and two, a Los Angeles jury awarded twenty
eight billion dollars in damages to the family of a smoker who died of lung
cancer. The verdict was later reduced to twenty eight millions, but the initial
decision was important because it represented the first time a tobacco company was held liable
for the death of a patron smoker. Ah. Now there's an interesting question
again, because that's a hell of a reduction, twenty eight billion to twenty
eight million? Is that? Is that the correct numbers? From what I'm
reading? I mean, Okay, no hell of a reduction there, twenty
eight million, nothing to sneeze at, and it is significant, sure,
And it is the first time that a tobacco company was held liable. Now
a lot of people go, well, you're stupid enough to smoke. And
by the way, I'm smoking while I say this, and an addict of
the Philip Mars products myself, here's the thing. They kind of intentionally created
addicts by manipulating their product in such a way. That's one problem they had
here with this modern lawsuit. It's not based on the old idea that they
used to sell this in advertising, literally showing you doctors smoke and go doctors
smoke camels. You know they used to do that, right, Doctors smoke
camels and lucky strikes. These are their preferred cigarettes. You know that,
right? Yeah. I mean there was even some sort of commercial out there.
I think it was a Billboard commercial that was like, you know what,
leading four out of five doctors recommend that you eat whitecastle and smoke a
Lucky Strike. I mean literally they combined these two things. I mean,
that's hilarious to us nowadays, but that was a real thing, like in
nineteen fifty one or something. Look, somebody look it up. I know
this advertisement exists, and it's not just the photoshop creation. It was a
real thing. Yeah. And I mean, of course Playboy magazine would sell
you cigarettes. They sold, you know, the feminine cigarettes to women,
the Virginia slims, right, the skinny cigarette, the feminine cigarette extra long
and extra thin, so it's nice and feminine, just like you baby,
you know, Virginia Slims. They marketed this stuff beyond Joe Cambell, beyond
the Marlboro Man. True, but that's not what the modern lawsuit is about.
The modern lawsuit is manipulating nicotine to a degree and creating chemicals in the
cigarettes unnecessary except to create addicts, unfairly create what product loyalty, and yeah,
that's gonna lead to some people's deaths. And some people would say it's
not very libertarian of you to think that this is a good idea, But
I don't think people just because there's liberty involved means that, you know,
corporations with greater resources have the unfettered ability to at all times exploit people's weaknesses
directly simply because they have the greater resources. They can hide it, they
can package it in such a way and say, look, you know what,
we're going to get you a dicred to this or that, whether it's
you know, high fructose corn syrup or it's nicotine, or it's these other
additives to the cigarettes that you're gonna have to shake and stir over and want
to cut your you know, cut your roommate's head off over if you don't
have a cigarette. No, no, no, no, it's not It's
not just about that, But it's not about liberty there. Your liberty should
not be encroached upon by people unfairly doing things like that to you. So,
I don't know. It's a mixed bag. But corporations again, do
I feel bad for Philip Morrison? Could they absorb twenty eight million or all
the other lawsuits they they've absorbed abs positively? So you know, I don't
I don't feel I don't know. I don't feel bad for the corporation.
But anyway, you got two more, don't you? Ah? Yes,
okay, Xson Mobile. In two thousand and nine, Xson Mobile agreed to
pay one point one billion dollars to Suddenly Wrongs Will Debt lawsuit filed by the
families of workers who died in the nineteen ninety eight explosions at the company's refinery
in bum or Beau Mount, Texas. Fifteen workers perished in the blast and
dozens more were injured. Now take note in the listener's mind, I want
you to take this this very careful note. I bet most of you remember
headlines from all of these other lawsuits in the big corporate world except this one
so far. You know why? Okay, Being somebody who has worked for
x On Mobile in the past, full disclosure, guess what, I know
that they have a very effective and very thoughtful pr machine and play at all
times. They learned that hard lesson after becoming the oil spill company. Despite
the fact, you know, the Exon Valdis. Everybody remembers that, and
they didn't want that to occur again because during that same year, this is
a true fact, by the way, during that same year, there was
something like a hundred other spills larger than the Exxon Valdis in the ocean,
all over to place, all over the world. As a matter of fact,
if you were to make a map of the large oil spills in the
amount of the area of the ocean that they covered during that year alone,
you would find more than half of the ocean water on the planet seemingly covered
on most maps. Okay, from different companies, not just Exon Mobile,
not just from tanker spills, but different spills all over the place. It
just happened, and you know what, it happened the year before, it
happened the year after. It continues to happen, but what do you not
hear about? Not so many of them. Yes, I know, we
heard about the BP thing, and that was a massive spill that really wrecked
an area so much so that it couldn't be ignored. But unless you have
a population getting directly affected, and unless people really turn up with a whole
lot of dead animals, like all in one shot somewhere, they steer this
and do a serious pr effort to make sure they guess what you don't see
it. So I bet people don't remember the refinery in Beaumont, Texas lowing
up, And if they do remember it, they don't remember how many deaths
there were. Like in other words, the details are all awash, gone
right down the memory hole on purpose because they can afford to spend millions of
dollars to do that instead of paying people a whole lot. And by the
way, they did pay people a bit, but quietly, and that's what
they do. So just keep that in mind. And you got one more,
don't you miss his own? Yeah, beam mass moon is DuPont.
On twenty seventeen, DuPont agreed to pay six hundred and seventy one million dollars
to settle thousands of lawsuits filed by residents of Parkersburg, West Virginia, who
claim that the company's dumping of a toxic chemical into the local water supply caused
them to develop cancer and other diseases. The settlement included compensation for wrongful death
claims. The Little Gastion process was featured in a twenty nineteen film starring Mark
Rufollow entitled Dark Mark Ruffalo. Yep, who nowadays is what the hulk?
Right? I think he's the hulk in the Marble universe. So anyway,
other people were turning green over the chemicals being dumped in the water in West
Virginia. Okay, now here's what's horrible. There are tons of these lawsuits
all over the place. That just happens to be the big ticket one,
but there's much smaller settlements paid out all over the place. And then there's
agreements about cleaning stuff up and everything. And guess what again, just like
the Exxon Mobile thing, you could dot be in the United States on the
map with these things really easily. Matter of fact, I'll bring one up
right now that you and I were in very close proximity to missus oh seeba
geigy, and they're chemical poisoning of the water table in New Jersey created a
massive chemical problem which created all sorts of childhood cancers, a whole bunch of
toddlers. They couldn't side whether it was the overhead power lines or it was
Seba Geigy's chemicals, one way or another, but one of the most massive
toddler can cancer clusters on Earth was created as a result of what is likely
both things in a place called Tom's River, New Jersey. Now do you
see massive headlines about this nowadays? Is this one of those cases environmentally they
go to what about Seba Gegy? Uh, No, you don't, because
Seba Geigy's one of those chemical companies that probably has been folded into some other
multinational conglomerate at this point, I think, and is owned by you know,
the people that blah blah blah whatever. Eventually it gets either Coca Pepsi,
some major corporation, and black Rock owns a piece of everybody. Dunt
dunt done anyhow, That's all it is. They've done this all over the
country. Flint, Michigan, the spill offs, the chemicals from the car
companies, the stuff in Georgia, the stuff in North Carolina. Remember we
were reading about how they're going to give us like five dollars off of our
water bill because the water was poisoned a couple of years ago. You know,
weird stuff, and their compensation packages are weird all over the place.
Some of these six hundred billion dollars things involved rebates to customers, which are
too funny, and it usually as a result of a massive class action thing
like how many times has a Bank of America now been sued for screwing over
their customers one way or another? And I recall when I was a Bank
of America customer, I saw a whole thing about how wow, man.
You know, I know over the years, I paid hundreds of dollars in
ATM fees that were pretty unfair. I remember one time getting charged for you
know, in action and too much action at coming out of my bank account,
right, excessive activity and insufficient activity in my checking account on the same
month statement, right, stuff like this, And then I saw the lawsuit.
Don't worry, you'll be compensated. I think we all got five dollars
gift cards from freaking Bank of America. Okay, seriously, if you were
a customer during this time period. Please fill out your name and admit that
you want a piece of this settlement A five dollars gift card. Yeah so
sometimes, and look if you add those all up, they might be twenty
million, thirty million dollars and five dollars gift cards too, you know,
millions of customers. But it is that an effective way to deal with intentional
wrongdoing? And that's not death, that's just somebody ripping you off anyway,
These are wrongful deaths we're talking about. Now, are they responsible when they
willfully, knowingly poison somebody's water supply? I'm thinking yeah. And again I
guess bias against the corporation is a problem for me. But what are you
supposed to do when they behave the way that they do? So back to
the smaller end of the pool if you don't mind, I mean, because
you're you're done with the top fives and all that stuff, right, Okay,
So back to the smaller end of the pool. We talked about the
Parkers and their ownership of a they say convenience store looks like a liquor store.
To me, maybe it's a little bit of column A, a little
bit of column B. Maybe it's a convenience store that sells a lot of
booze whatever, and they didn't card the kid properly because he was using his
brother's ID to show that he was over twenty one. And the guy's name
was Buster, just like my dog. But anyway, no, that's true.
True, that's the murder case keeps on giving with the craziness. Okay,
But there's more to it, because there was stuff going on before the
murder and what before this boating accident, another wrongful death circumstance, which is
overly complicated, crazy came up during the murder trial and was certainly given a
whole lot more daylight in the news outside of South Carolina. And you got
a little something on that, don't you. There was another case. What
was that? Okay? That is regarding his housekeeper, right, okay.
Gloria Centerfield, a humble, hard working mother of two, was employed as
a housekeeper and nanny for the Murdoch family for two decades. It's twenty years.
So she raised those boys right basically. After her tragic trip and faul
death at their home in twenty eighteen, she and her family became one of
Alex's many victims. If you look at the if you look at all the
victims of Alex, said Centerfield's family attorney, Eric Glands, they were either
people who were extremely vulnerable, people who are not only vulnerable because of their
lack of education or their lack of sophistication. Whether it's the worst, worst
time in their lives, Alex little off scheme, the prophet off Centerfield's death
worked until her son's read an article in the paper about a wrongful death settlement
that should have awarded them money. However, they had never seen a dime
of it. So basically he filed Alec Murdock filed a wrongful death lawsuit against
himself for so NBA for behalf of the family because they never saw any money.
The real piece of work, right, So this is previous to the
murder. This is one of the many schemes that he pulled. And his
whole crying thing in court was I was a drug addict, so I you
know, I needed to supply my drug habit with these schemes and scams.
And one of them was his housekeeper of twenty years tripped and fell, okay,
allegedly tripped and fell at his home and died. So there's a whole
thing, whether she tripped over the dog or not. Did she actually fall
down the stairs once she pushed even Okay, let's not go there, but
here here he is, well, he admitted, he admitted, any lied
that that didn't happen. She didn't trip over the dogs? Right, yeah,
no, no, no, I got I got it. Yeah,
yeah, go ahead. These boys were entitled to seven point five million dollars
for the for the wrongful death money that Alec collect them, right, right.
They didn't see of his right, So let's get that straight. Okay.
So remember they said she's a working mother of two. It was these
two boys and they came across an article in a newspaper saying that there was
a wrongful death suit about their mother and it was multi millions of dollars and
they never got paid. They kept getting, you know, lipped from him
about him working on it, and I'm working on it. They trusted him.
He said, look, I'm gonna sue myself. You know, I
am going to sue myself and give you money. Because really what he was
doing is getting money out of his law firm and insurance companies and things like
that. And the idea I think was to siphon most of it to himself
and then tell them, hey, look, here's a settlement for you,
and then everybody wins kind of thing. I think that was what it was
in his mind. That's what it seemed like when he described some of this
stuff later. And he's copped a part of this, but not all of
it, right, And yeah, So these kids read about this seven million
dollars and they go, wait a minute, we never got anything. So
they go back to him, Hey, Alec, what's going on man?
And this is before he supposedly kills his son and wife, Okay, which
again is tied to covering up another scheme, another scam. According to the
prosecutors, that that's you know, I don't know. I got a little
bit of a hard time buying the whole thing. But there is definitely funky
and ugly things happening here. Okay. So this guy's scheming and scamming,
willing to kill or let people die, or take advantage of people who have
just lost family members, etc. Clearly somebody who probably even if he wasn't
directly guilty of the running down of his family members, probably everybody's better off.
He's in prison, just saying all right, But back to the wrongful
death thing. This is a weird double reversal because here's the funny thing.
His son could probably turn around and sue him for a wrongful death considering he
was convicted. That could be a piece of evidence, but not the only
piece of evidence entered into a wrongful death thing. Could probably turn around and
sue him and try and get that point made that he is clearly responsible in
a civil way and maybe asked for compensation for the fact that he lost his
mother and his brother and his whole family's destroyed because of Dad's actions. Thus
far, he's actually defended his father and everything. But there are wrongful death
lawsuits flying all over the Murdock case, and some of them were happening before
he allegedly committed murder. I mean, I'm just saying allegedly committed because he
was convicted. I'm not clear on that even But still, these are the
games that lawyers play. But I again asked the moral question outside of the
legalistic outside of the courtroom drama, which is clearly in play all over the
place with the murdof thing, and the outside of courtroom settlement constantly an issue
when it came to all of his previous bad acts. Okay, I know
I'm sounding like courtroom again. I don't want to go courtroom drama. No,
no, no, no no. Let's go back to the moral implication.
Wrongful death is their rightful death. I don't see one. But is
there one that might just be incidental as opposed to wrongful? Is that the
opposite? No, it doesn't seem like it, but incidental could be option
number three. Wrongful whatever rightful of righteousness and incidental just happened and there was
nothing anybody could do about it. Maybe, and are you responsible simply if
you didn't prevent it? Well, there you go. That was part of
the case with the housekeeper there, because she was laying there injured allegedly for
a while, and there was an issue about whether Murda went and got her
help in time, and why wouldn't he have done that with a housekeeper he
had for twenty years. Well, maybe she caught on to some of his
scheming and scamming and stuff going on, and maybe some of the drugs,
and either she conveniently fell down some steps or something else occurred here that would
allow for a cover up if he just let her pass. I don't know.
The whole thing is ugly. There's a lot of ugliness to unpack.
And I don't think we solved anything here today except to ask the question what
is literally a wrongful death? Still? And we got a couple of definitions
missus O. Redham from some of the articles that will give you references to
in the show notes. But did we successfully solve the mystery in my mind
of what the moral implication is? We know what the legal idea is,
sure, but the moral implication is there a rightful death? And I guess
there could be a rightful death considering something is rightfully done as opposed to wrongfully
done, so could be considered rightfully executed death in my opinion, killing in
self defense rightful death maybe so, unless it's a mercy killing or one in
self defense. Maybe that's the only rightful ones you could have, right I
don't know. Well, I don't know. As we were talking last night,
I think that well, there's an example, perfect example of the man
in Philadelphia whose little girl was shot by the neighbor because she was riding her
scooter back and forth in front of the guy's house. He didn't like it
till he went out and he shot the little girl. Now to me,
that that father turned around and shot that man dead, to me, that's
a that's a righteous murder. Yeah, I could see giving that a rightful
death ruling. And again self defense might be the rightful death. Maybe that's
a rightful an earned death if you will, right, Okay, I get
the point there, and that's a possibility. But is that the way that
people are going to view it? And by the way, doesn't this mean
that almost every single egregious murder case or manslaughter case is eligible for this kind
of thing? Or maybe it's well said something about negligence, Yeah, but
it doesn't death. Yeah, but it doesn't have to be negligence. It's
common negligence. It could be negligence, and or say so it's not also
has to be negligence, but negligence could be an element because in the case
of that guy willfully shooting that little girl, guess what, no negligence there.
It's a willful act. That's not I didn't care and I let something
happen. That's I took an action, A willful action, a will full
wrongful death. Right. So yeah, yeah, see what I mean.
So it's not about that. It's about yeah, moralistically, willful action one
thing, and negligence could be I just didn't care, didn't pay attention,
I didn't follow through, I didn't take some other action quick enough, et
cetera. And that could be your negligence. So for you know, negligence,
Yeah, because they should have known better and should have taken better action
than they did. But that's a wrongful death suit. Well, but that's
my point, you see, is that, Okay, I get it,
that's a wrongful death. But in other cases, I mean, o j
it's not the actions that he shouldn't have taken. I mean, it's not
the actions he should have taken. He could have taken some Yeah, I
guess he could have not showed up and killed those two people. Uh,
you know. But that's but there's no like, oh, well, there
was an action I should have taken here. I don't know. It's very
dicey. It's just there's a difference between they actively participated and they just dropped
the ball and let it happen. You know what I'm saying. There's a
difference between making something happen and letting something happen. I'm thinking, and of
course this same sort of debate happens when it comes to hate crimes, right,
because hate crimes, after all, what is it that you're punishing,
Not the crime itself. We get that there's a crime, but it's the
additional thought process connected to the crime, And in this case is that not
sometimes the case and then again sometimes not. I think the wrongful death concept
go ahead and mute up, missus, oh, because we need dogs are
trying to chime in, and we're about out of time anyway. But wrongful
death is one of those concepts I think we're going to wrestle with for a
while, and with good reason, because it is still a bit ambiguous on
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