WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:11.320 Hello, and welcome back to another episode of The Straight Shooter Recruiter. My 2 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.519 name is Emily Durham, and my goal is to help you thrive. And 3 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:18.039 you're nine to five and beyond. I'm a career's expert, baby, Okay, 4 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:21.800 I've worked in talent acquisition for over seven years. You've probably seen me 5 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:24.800 in the Globe and Mail, BBC, on TV, in the radio, 6 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:28.160 in your dreams, you know, lots of good things. But I was 7 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:32.840 super excited to be sitting down and recording today's episode because, as you know, 8 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:36.920 I have started to introduce a very permanent segment on the show where the 9 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:42.000 last bit of the episode is exclusively answering your questions. So if you're interested 10 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:45.359 in getting your question answered, make sure you are submitting your question in the 11 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:50.039 link that I have in the description of this episode. And wow, today's 12 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:54.359 questions are juicy. Okay, they're juicy, juicy, lucy, juicy apple 13 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:56.960 goosey. If you watch The Real Housewives, you know exactly what I'm talking 14 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.479 about. And if you don't, you're lost and you're like, girl, 15 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:03.960 what are we talking talking about today? Today's topic is all about getting a 16 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:07.439 job internationally. I know it is stressful, I know it is exciting thinking 17 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:11.799 about where your career is going to take you, and potentially if being in 18 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:15.319 a completely different region can be overwhelming. We're going to talk about what are 19 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:19.799 the best steps to take, what should you be doing, what paperwork do 20 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.239 you need to do. We're going to cover it all. Plus we're going 21 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:25.319 to answer some of your questions. So make sure you're listening through to the 22 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:29.079 end because it just gets more and more entertaining. I promise you that. 23 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:32.879 Okay, grab your coffee, you get comfortable. Let's get into it, 24 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:41.000 my friend. If you have decided that you are looking for a role internationally, 25 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.000 first things first, be very proud of yourself. It takes a lot 26 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:48.920 of courage and bravery to really kickstart your life in a totally different region, 27 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:53.200 and that is a huge accomplishment in and of itself. I know I personally 28 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:55.920 am not bold or brave enough to do that, so that is something you 29 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:00.640 definitely need to celebrate and be excited about. The first thing I would recommend 30 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:04.239 that you do is get pretty specific about what regions you want to work in, 31 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:07.239 because it's really going to help guide your job search as well as your 32 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:12.439 networking approach. So pick the first top two or three cities you'd like to 33 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.400 live in, or at least narrow it down by country or general region. 34 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:17.719 For example, if you're interested in coming to Canada, where are you looking? 35 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:22.400 Is it Montreal or is it Toronto? Because there's two really different kind 36 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:27.159 of workplace cultures and standards and expectations across both of those. So I would 37 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:30.319 highly recommend have your dream list of places to live at least boiled down to 38 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:35.319 a top three, maybe a top four if you're feeling wild. The next 39 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.360 thing I would want you to do is a whole bunch of research to actually 40 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:40.639 validate those are the places you want to work. I would like to live 41 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:44.000 in Italy. Let me tell you, I don't think i'd like to work 42 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:47.080 in Italy. The actual workplace culture is different, what's expected is different, 43 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:52.360 and I actually don't think after research, which AKA is speaking to my cousins, 44 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:54.960 I don't think I would thrive there. So I really think it's important 45 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:59.120 to look at the country you want to live in, but also validate it's 46 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:01.719 the country you want to work in. Simple Google searches will usually do the 47 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:07.000 trick, even watching like vlogs or YouTube videos to see okay, this is 48 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:09.360 what a day in the life of a software engineer in California looks like, 49 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:13.719 or this is a day in the life of a marketing manager in India. 50 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:17.360 It really helps you understand what the average working culture looks like. One of 51 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:21.639 the things that a lot of people share is kind of a culture shock when 52 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:27.080 they come to North America is just how insane the work expectations are. I 53 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:29.639 was trying to find a better word for it, but there's not because it's 54 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:34.960 actually just insane. We have a really unfortunate culture where we are not encouraged 55 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.479 to take breaks, we're not encouraged to rest. We are the definition of 56 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:42.759 hustle culture. So a lot of people who come from Europe will come in 57 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.400 work in Canada, work in the US, and they're like, what's wrong 58 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:47.199 with you guys, Like you don't take any vacation, You work through your 59 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:51.280 lunches, Whereas in Europe, for the most part, the culture can be 60 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:54.680 pretty different. But even within Europe there's all of these different subcultures. So 61 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:59.960 just make sure you're really clued into that and actually paying attention to the workplace 62 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:01.759 culture to make sure that it's right for you. But if you're already feeling 63 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:04.919 set about where you're going, let's get into the how you're going to do 64 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:10.240 it. Okay, first things first, I am not an expert on immigration 65 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:13.120 or immigration law. I'm just going to tell you what I've seen in my 66 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:16.079 experience as a recruiter and to someone who has made international hires in the past. 67 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:19.959 So the first thing that I would do is focus on localizing your resume. 68 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:26.000 There's actually really different resume cultures across the world and even across different countries. 69 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:29.920 For example, it's really popular or common to have a photo of yourself 70 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.839 on your LinkedIn or on your resume in Europe, but to put a photo 71 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:38.560 of yourself on your resume in Canada or the US is actually pretty uncommon and 72 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:42.759 sometimes can actually make it so that your profile isn't getting reviewed or read. 73 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:46.959 So make sure that you're googling what a great resume looks like in that particular 74 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.240 region. If you are looking to apply in North America, definitely check out 75 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:53.800 my pages because I've got a whole bunch on there, and admittedly that's just 76 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:57.879 where I have the most experience. I would also recommend updating your LinkedIn, 77 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.319 so you need your LinkedIn to show what reach and you're currently in. But 78 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.879 there's this amazing little feature on LinkedIn that says open to relocation, So make 79 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:09.560 sure you click that button. Because when recruiters are starting to reach out to 80 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:14.000 potential talent or candidates, they can actually filter for people who are open to 81 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:17.720 relocation and sometimes for jobs that's exactly what they're looking for. But if you 82 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.879 want to make it more explicit and really take it a step further, which 83 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:26.639 I highly recommend you do, make sure you include your desire to relocate in 84 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:30.680 your LinkedIn about me section or in the headline. So in your headline you 85 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.439 could say seeking a role in software engineering in California, or you can pop 86 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:38.560 that into your biography. The reason this is so helpful is people might see 87 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:42.319 that and realize they have the perfect opportunity for you, or it can be 88 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.079 one more tool to help validate the recruiter is reaching out to the right person 89 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:50.079 once they add that filter for the relocation option. Another thing I would highly 90 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:56.000 recommend you do is be thoughtful about what job sites you're using. The job 91 00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:00.040 sites you're using in your local country are probably not the same job sites that 92 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.920 are relevant in the country you might be applying to. For example, in 93 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:08.240 Canada, we primarily use LinkedIn and indeed, but in the US there's other 94 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:12.600 websites like work appolists or seek out that are frequently used. So make sure 95 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.360 you're taking a peek at what the most frequently used websites are in the country 96 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:20.399 that you're applying to and look for jobs there. However, there's one thing 97 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:24.600 that's always going to work and it's LinkedIn, Baby, so make sure you're 98 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:29.040 looking for jobs on LinkedIn because LinkedIn has this fantastic little feature where you can 99 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:31.360 look up the location of the job too, so that can be another way 100 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:34.439 for you to kind of make your search and all in one, one and 101 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:40.759 done situation. Okay, so definitely I want you to apply to those jobs 102 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.439 directly, but let's put a pin in that because I am going to circle 103 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:46.959 back a little bit on how you can make sure your profile and your resume 104 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.360 is actually getting read, because I do want to call out one more like 105 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:54.439 bonus tip or caveat to this. So obviously you're going to want to look 106 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.439 for jobs that are in the country you plan to move to so that you 107 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.879 have a sense of community. They can potentially help with your sponsorships. You 108 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.879 know, all of that good stuff. However, why wouldn't you consider a 109 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:08.839 remote job. If you find a fully remote job, dude, you can 110 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:11.680 just move wherever you'd like to move and work the job you want to work 111 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.279 from wherever you would like to work. Hello. So if you want to 112 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:16.480 be on a beach in Mexico, I love that for you. So don't 113 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:20.079 like close your options off just to the country you plan to live in. 114 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:25.079 Take a look at some remote opportunities as well. Again, I do think 115 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:28.879 LinkedIn is one of the best sites for that because they have pretty unique filtering 116 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:31.480 functions. Wow, that was way too many efforts and not the efforts I'm 117 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.600 used to. That you can use those filtering functions to say remote work, 118 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:39.879 and that's where you can apply directly for those remote roles that are going to 119 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:44.199 give you that amazing sense of flexibility. Okay, so let's get back to 120 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:47.720 the job hunting and the actual application process. So as you're applying for these 121 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:50.800 jobs, you might be wondering, a is anyone reading this, like, 122 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:55.920 at any point in time, has somebody opened up my resume and actually reviewed 123 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:58.800 it? And you also might be wondering, you know, are they even 124 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:03.759 going to want to consider given that I'm an international student or an international hire. 125 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:07.560 Here's what I want to tell you. No matter where you are applying 126 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.439 from, the job market is competitive, and no matter where you are applying 127 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:15.000 from, there are going to be thousands of other applicants. So the advice 128 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:18.240 that I give you is the same advice I would give someone who's local to 129 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.720 that area. I really think it's important that every single time after you apply 130 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.720 to the position, reach out to that recruiter on LinkedIn, in their email, 131 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:30.519 whatever method of contact you have and say, hello, my name is 132 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:33.399 Emily. I currently live in Canada. I'm applying for jobs in Amsterdam and 133 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:39.360 I'm really excited to learn more about this opportunity. I will be managing my 134 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:41.799 own relocation. AKA, I'll deal with my visa, I'll deal with get 135 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.960 my ass over there. You just read my resume. The reason I think 136 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:50.000 that's so important is a lot of companies do have reservations about hiring talent internationally 137 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:56.000 because of the cost. It can be extremely expensive to move people over because 138 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:00.000 it's not just the cost of the flight in helping you find a new place, 139 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.720 it's supporting your visa, it's suppormating you know your paperwork, if you 140 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:05.960 have a spouse or kids you need to move over. Typically that's covered too. 141 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.039 So if you are open to relocating on your own dime or using your 142 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:15.559 own and like visa application process, that actually can remove a barrier that might 143 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:20.519 potentially be a blocker for you in the future. I don't want you getting 144 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.480 scared. Just because you need a visa or relocation support does not mean that 145 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:26.840 you're not going to be an amazing fit for that position, and also doesn't 146 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:30.679 mean that you're not going to get the job. It's just something we need 147 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.639 to be really thoughtful of, and especially because at times it can take up 148 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.320 to a year to relocate. When we think about your visa or your work 149 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:43.399 permit, I would highly recommend you kickstart that process independently. So start applying 150 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.799 for your work permit, Start applying for those pieces of paper, and put 151 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.440 that on your resume at the very top, say you know whatever, insert 152 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.120 the visa type application in process so the company automatically knows that you're on top 153 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:58.679 of it. But I would highly recommend looking at companies who have a reputation 154 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:01.960 for relocating people. And you might ask yourself, how would I know that, 155 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:05.360 Well, just go on LinkedIn look at people who work at those companies 156 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.360 and see what country they started in. But for the most part, a 157 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:13.639 lot of tech companies and larger organizations have the infrastructure and budget to relocate people, 158 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:16.639 which is often one of the easiest things you can do. On the 159 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:18.080 flip side of that, if you do have some time to kill, why 160 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:22.559 not start working at an American or Canadian or you know, whatever country you'd 161 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.519 like to work at a company where they have an arm or an extension in 162 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:28.960 the country you currently operate in. For example, if there was a company, 163 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:31.600 let's say I wanted to work at Louis Vatan and their head offices in 164 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:35.559 Paris, I could start working for Louis Vatan in Canada and then talk to 165 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:39.559 them my current employer about how they could potentially relocate me to Paris in a 166 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.759 couple of years. If I ever wanted to move to California, you better 167 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.879 believe I would tell my current employer like, hey, move me here, 168 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.559 move me there. So that is another option if you're not in an immediate 169 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:52.879 rush, But if it's something you want to do sooner than later, kickstart 170 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.879 your application process now, put that on your resume, and most importantly, 171 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:01.519 flag your application every single time. Another thing I would recommend you do is 172 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.639 check out Reddit and Facebook. They're going to have amazing groups, like actual 173 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.960 Facebook groups of people who have relocated from your country to another country to work. 174 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:13.039 There's so many people who are willing to be a mentor a friend, 175 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:18.240 help you with paperwork, answer your questions. So I would really recommend getting 176 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.320 tapped into those communities to make sure that you're understanding what you can do or 177 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.120 what some of the limitations are as you're applying for positions. And like I 178 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.840 always say, the easiest way to get in at a company is via referral, 179 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:31.639 and the best way to get a referral is networking. And if we 180 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.480 don't have time to network, we're going to go to Reddit or we're going 181 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:39.000 to go to fish Bowl, where people are literally willing to refer you for 182 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:41.799 jobs because they get paid if you get hired. So the worst case scenario 183 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:45.799 is you check those sites out, you connect with those people, and boom, 184 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:50.000 you've got yourself an into your dream company. Is the job hunting process 185 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.759 totally different if you're an international student or an international hire versus if you're local 186 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.080 to that country. Not really, it's the same process. It's the same 187 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.399 websites. You just need to do the work to make sure you've localized your 188 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.639 application and let you have a headstart on some of the legal requirements as well. 189 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:11.000 I also always get asked questions about if international experience accounts. Yes, 190 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:16.200 good companies emphasis on the good companies want experience period. You could get that 191 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.799 experience anywhere. Sure, there might be nuance as one country to another, 192 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.799 but for the most part, especially for more technical rules, you're doing the 193 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:28.080 job. It's just being done in a slightly different work culture or work environment. 194 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.960 So ultimately, good companies and companies that understand talent are not going to 195 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:37.440 discount your application because you have experience from somewhere else. Again, I always 196 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.240 recommend applying for some of these larger companies that have infrastructure and programs to support 197 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:45.919 you in your relocation. Small companies can be awesome for that too, but 198 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:48.919 it's definitely worth taking a peek at those bigger companies because frankly, they got 199 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:58.879 more money to spend. All right, besties, it's time for your questions 200 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.240 of the week. I'm so excited and friendly reminder. If you want yours 201 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.639 answer, just click the link in the description of this video. Because I 202 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:13.000 check it every single week when I am recording. All right, my friend 203 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.240 wrote, Hey, Emily, I'm a recruiter myself in Mexico. Oh my 204 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:18.279 gosh, I love that. The weather that you have is the weather I 205 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.200 wish I had. But I'm planning to move to Toronto. Oh my gosh, 206 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.840 love that too, because one thing about me, I love the city. 207 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:28.399 What would you say are the main abilities or knowledge I should develop to 208 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:33.000 help land a great job in Toronto? Thanks? And I love your style 209 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:35.480 by the way, Thank you so much, my friend. First of all, 210 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:39.399 what an exciting opportunity and what an exciting thing to do in your life. 211 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.159 You're going to absolutely kill it. You're going to be fantastic. If 212 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.480 I had to say, the first few things that are the most important when 213 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.960 you're thinking about what jobs you're looking for is number one, do research on 214 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.360 what the most popular industries are in the area you're moving to. So for 215 00:13:54.440 --> 00:14:00.559 Toronto specifically, tech is absolutely booming. So I would highly recommend rushing up 216 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.759 on your technology recruiting skills, really thinking about how you're going to build those 217 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.879 transferable skills that are really relevant to the area that you're looking for. And 218 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.639 I would say This goes for anybody who's looking for a job in another city 219 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:16.159 or another country. Get to know what industries are really growing the most. 220 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:22.559 I would also highly recommend thinking about looking for companies that are operating in multiple 221 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.559 countries. So, for example, if you are coming from Mexico and you're 222 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:31.480 moving to Toronto and there's a company that also has a branch or an arm 223 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:35.720 in Mexico, make sure you're applying to those companies. Because your ability to 224 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.679 speak Spanish, your ability to understand the culture and the way the world works 225 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.360 there, that's going to be a huge asset. So really focus on those 226 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.919 things. As far as the hands on technical skills, Definitely brush up on 227 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:52.440 what salary ranges look like in Toronto, what the average recruitment process looks like, 228 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.240 as well as what the notice period looks like. So in some countries 229 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:01.360 you need to give one month notice before you quite month's notice. In Canada 230 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:05.000 it's only two weeks. And I would say that advice goes to anybody looking 231 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.559 to start your career in a new area. Just do a quick Google search 232 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:13.480 of what are the differences between being a software engineer in Toronto versus I don't 233 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.159 know, Paris and the same would go here. Like doing these quick searches 234 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:20.720 of what might be different in Mexico versus Toronto is an amazing way to understand 235 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:24.720 what those might look like. I really hope that helps, and good luck 236 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.600 on your move. I'm so excited for you. Hi, I'm zaid an 237 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:31.879 international student. Love your content. Thank you so much to say that means 238 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:37.080 so much so. I've been applying to summer internships since January in all of 239 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:39.840 the big five companies and even some of the smaller ones. I tried getting 240 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.519 references for some and I did. And I've also been applying to co op 241 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:48.120 positions, mailing and reaching out to people in hr on LinkedIn, the hiring 242 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:54.200 managers and recruiters with my resume and customized cover letters. But no luck. 243 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:56.000 When I look back and reach back out to some of them, I'm not 244 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:00.559 considered for the roles that I think I'm aligned with. What is the issue? 245 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.559 What should I be doing more of? First of all, you are 246 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:07.440 absolutely doing amazing. It sounds like you are doing all of the right things 247 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:10.679 that you're applying, you're following up, you're getting your name out there. 248 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:15.240 Here are two things that I would highly recommend doing. Number one is network. 249 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:18.960 It sounds like you're doing a fantastic job of applying to the right positions 250 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:22.320 and reaching out once you've applied, But sometimes, and especially when we're building 251 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.559 our network and when we're applying to these very competitive co op positions, because 252 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:32.200 believe it or not, those co op and internship positions are hard to get 253 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:37.519 into because there's so many applicants from all different regions applying. All to say, 254 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.120 I really think networking is going to be something that benefits you the most. 255 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:44.360 So I would make a list of people who work at the companies you're 256 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:48.759 interested in working at and reach out to them on LinkedIn or via email and 257 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.519 ask for a thirty minute phone conversation, and don't even make it about the 258 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.799 job you know, don't bring up the positions you're applying to. Just reach 259 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:59.240 out and say you're passionate about the careers that they work in and you'd love 260 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:03.600 to understand more about their career and ask them questions about how they've developed and 261 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:07.279 grown. Because when you have these conversations focusing on learning from people a they're 262 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:11.640 more likely to accept it because people love talking about themselves, even if they 263 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:15.440 don't realize it, they do b It's going to be a great way to 264 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:19.440 build that relationship. So at the end of that conversation you can say thank 265 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.640 you so much for your time. Would you be comfortable referring me for those 266 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.920 positions? And I know it's disheartening, especially when you do get a referral 267 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.480 and you still don't get the job. A referral isn't an automatic way of 268 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:34.160 getting the position, but the more referrals you can get them more likely it 269 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:38.119 is. And I think that's the hard thing to process or a hard thing 270 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:42.559 to accept, especially for early careers. Recruiting is sometimes we need to apply 271 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:45.559 to a lot of positions in order to get the one that we want. 272 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:49.119 So just be kind to yourself, be gracious with yourself. I know it 273 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:52.359 is stressful. It is going to be high volume. Like by nature, 274 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.960 you're probably going to apply to a lot of jobs for one yes, for 275 00:17:56.039 --> 00:18:00.480 two yeses, for three yeses. So just no, it is to have 276 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:03.920 to apply to a lot of positions for these intern and coop roles. Another 277 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:07.640 thing that I would do is connect with your school. So did you just 278 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.400 hear that that was my job telling me to come back to which I say, 279 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:14.319 no, thanks, I'm busy right now, but one of the things 280 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:15.720 I would do is reach out to your school. A lot of these co 281 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:22.359 op programs have specific ties to different schools, so they only are posting their 282 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:26.400 job positions to these different schools directly. So talk to the school that you 283 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:30.240 either went to or graduated from and ask to see what their job board looks 284 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:34.039 like, because often less people are applying to those directly. Trying to think 285 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:37.920 if there's anything else I know you asked, like, what could be the 286 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:41.440 issue? The only thing I would think of is resume, So making sure 287 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:45.559 you have lots of data on your resume. Have you shown the number of 288 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:49.200 projects you work on? Do you have quantifiable data on your resume that explains 289 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:52.960 the work you've done. Is your resume clear and easy to read? Is 290 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.519 it one page? Do you have all of your relevant projects listed? So 291 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:02.279 really making sure that resume is crisp and focusing on networking would be my top 292 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.759 two tips if you do need help on either of those topics. I actually 293 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:08.160 have full videos on those on my YouTube channels, so if that is helpful, 294 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.599 you can always check it out there. But good luck, said, 295 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:14.240 I know you're going to get there. I know it distressful and it is 296 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:15.640 hard, but you are going to do it and you're going to be great. 297 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:22.359 Should I pursue my master's abroad right after my bachelor's or take two years 298 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:26.960 of work experience and then go get my master's abroad? Ooh? I Little 299 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:30.720 story Time also had this whole thought process. So as you know, the 300 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:33.839 real ones know, the ogs know, you know, you guys are aware 301 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.240 that my goal after I graduated was initially to get into law, and I 302 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:42.119 was considering going to practice law internationally. I was actually really considering a move 303 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.559 to the UK for a point in time. Obviously, none of that ended 304 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.240 up really happening, and thank god, because I think I would have hated 305 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:52.079 it. But I went through the same thought process. Should I be doing 306 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:55.440 it now? Should I be doing it later? And for me personally, 307 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:59.359 these were the couple of things I considered that ultimately made me realize that was 308 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:03.039 not the right move for me right now. I would say the pros to 309 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:07.279 moving are you don't have as much responsibility right now. You in fact, 310 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:11.119 probably have the least amount of responsibility that you will in your whole life. 311 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:12.960 I'm going to make an assumption and stop me if I'm wrong. And like 312 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:17.440 you know, for me personally, after my bachelor's I didn't have kids. 313 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:18.720 I mean I still don't have kids, but like i'd no kids, I 314 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.039 had no partner, I was not dependent on anything. I could pick my 315 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:26.640 life life up and move and it wouldn't matter. And if that's the case 316 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:30.480 that you're in, that's not a situation we are going to have probably for 317 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.000 a really really long period in our life. So that's definitely a bonus one 318 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:37.359 of the things I do think about, And that was one of the reasons 319 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:41.279 I didn't go with money, Like I didn't want to spend sixty thousand dollars 320 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:45.880 to go live somewhere for two years and get a different degree. So when 321 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:48.319 I think about the pros and the cons, the pro is the life experience. 322 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.079 The pro could also be the fact that you'll be done with school, 323 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:55.119 like you can get it all done at once and then get into the workforce. 324 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:59.559 And it's also like an amazing opportunity to meet new people and reevaluate if 325 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:00.960 this is what you want. Here's what I'm going to say. The cons 326 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:06.599 are you really want to be careful about what masters you are pursuing internationally, 327 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:10.920 because sometimes things are localized. So for example, if I studied law in 328 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:14.400 the UK, that wouldn't apply to Canada in a way. That's easy. 329 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:18.759 I probably would have needed to do another program once I got home to Canada 330 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:21.559 so I could practice law, and I didn't want to do that. So 331 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:26.119 you have to be very mindful that what you are doing internationally is going to 332 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:30.240 help you in your career. I also personally tend to value hands on experience 333 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:34.839 more than academics. That's just me. I learn better by doing, and 334 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:40.559 a lot of companies tend to have a preference for experience over academics, especially 335 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:42.680 in the tech sector. However, if you're in consulting, if you're in 336 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:47.759 investment banking, yeah, having those extra degrees really does help. So I 337 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:51.720 would say make a pros and cons list and be really thoughtful about the industry 338 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:55.319 that you want to work in and be realistic. Is getting the degree now 339 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:56.880 going to help you. If the answer is yes, great, go for 340 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:00.799 it. If it's a maybe, why not work for a couple of years 341 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:03.720 because you might find a company who was willing to pay for you to go 342 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:15.559 to school after Like, that's a real possibility to closing time. That's bad. 343 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:18.839 I keep joking. I'm like, one of these days, I'm going 344 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:21.440 to bust out into a song and it's going to be good and everyone's going 345 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:23.119 to be so impressed. But until then, I'm going to keep doing this 346 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:27.240 stupid, stupid stuff. 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