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It's the Dearly Departed Podcast, featuring
your host, historian Scott Michaels and filmmaker

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Mike Dorsey. All right, it's
another episode of Dearly Departed podcast. I'm

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Mike Dorsey, I'm Scott Michaels,
and this is episode thirty seven, Episode

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thirty seven. Well, welcome,
it's almost Halloween for us, it is.

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Yeah, this we're releasing this for
Halloween, and in honor of that,

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we're doing The Monsters. Yay,
the beloved classic. We've already done

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the Adams Family, which technically the
Adams Family came out first by one week,

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so we are doing them in chronological
order, technically in the order to

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think well stnically, Yeah, I
did the the Monsters. I was looking

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into this because that was like what
came first, the chick, know the

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egg. Technically, the Adams Family
was created by Adams Charles Adams in the

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thirties, but the Monsters were in
development in sixty three, and it wasn't

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until February sixty four that they were
working on the Adams Family, although they

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launched by a week different, right
I think, But the Lombunsters was in

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development first, which I thought was
interesting because they kind of morphed, you

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know, at the same time,
And I don't think it was something that

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they were desperately trying to compete with, like they got a monster show,

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we got to do it. Maybe
there was a conversation, but that was

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just really interesting to me how that
turned out. And before we get started,

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since we're gonna be talking about a
very tall, famous actor, I

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want to give a shout out and
arrest in peace to one. I'm Richard

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Mole from Night Court Bowl just passed
away like an hour ago or it just

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was released that he passed away,
And so he's someone who could have played

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Munster if he had He could have
Herman Munster if he had wanted to.

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You know, how do you know
how t was? Yah? Richard Mole

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was six foot eight, so he
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was. So yeah, he's a
very tall guy. I know somebody that

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flew him out to Australia for like
a fishing show. He was an avid

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outdoorsman and actually he was supposed to
fly first class with something got mixed up

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in the flight coach six foot eight
flying coach to Australia. Yeah, I'm

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only six two but I can feel
his pain. Absolutely. That is just

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awful. You're just oh my god, that's like a twenty four hour flight.

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I mean that's I mean, obviously
you have to stop. No,

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actually, from here, it's not
is it. It's only like twelve or

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fourteen. It's like thirteen for it's
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New Zealand. So it's around that. Yeah, awful, awful anyways,

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Rest in Peace Bowl from Night Court
Richard Mole. So, yeah, as

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we already said, the Adams Family
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They were obviously very similar types of
shows. Adams Family is for ABC,

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months was for CBS. Both kind
of monster ish families living in real living

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in the real world. I thought
it was interesting comparison. I saw online

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that that the the Adams Family were
a normal looking family ish that behaved weirdly,

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and the Monsters were strange looking people
who tried to act normal. They

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were just Yeah, it was like
that. They made references during the show

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to the Donna Reid Show, and
it was right. It was just that

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a family comedy and uh right,
and yeah, it's just interesting that they

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at that. Ivonda de Carlos,
who played Lily Munster, the wife of

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the family, the matriarch. She
said that her first direction on day one

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was play her just like Donna Reid, So yeah, that's babe. It

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was a send up of those fifties
and sixties family sitcoms. Yeah, area

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like, oh, it was similar
to like The Monster I mean, I'm

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sorry, the Honeymooners and the Flintstones. You know that was just an animated

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version of the same show, right, so yeah, yeah, interesting.

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Both only lasted two seasons, so
it was a quick cultural thing, although

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back then seasons were one season was
like three seasons of a show. Now,

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I mean Season one of The Monsters
was thirty eight episodes and season two

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was thirty two episodes. Seventy episodes
for a lot of shows today would be

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four or five seasons worth of show. Yeah, so yeah, And I

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don't think they did a house cleaning
thing like they did with The Hillbillies,

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you know, they it just they
just figured it ran its course. But

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I mean it went on, it
went into syndication almost immediately, and it's

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still around. It it's just odd
out of seventy you know episodes plus right,

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there's still has never not been in
syndication. Yeah. And what's interesting

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is I grew up more into the
Monsters in the Adams Family, just because

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whatever syndication deal they had that for
me growing up in the eighties, you

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know, into the early nineties,
that's what was on TV. I know

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they had a deal with TV Land
through the nineties for their syndication rights and

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niked Knight and stuff, But I
do I probably have seen just about every

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Monster's episode in reruns, even though
I grew up, you know, twenty

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years after they left the air.
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were so few. Well that's a
lot of episodes. But still, and

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I was never I was a big
fan of the Adams Family growing up,

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but the Monsters as an adult I've
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think I think it was more clever
than it was than the Adams Family was.

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Although I love the Adams Family for
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what it was, and I think
maybe I liked it a lot because there

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was a young boy like Pugsley who
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when monsters there was really no one
to identify with, So as a

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kid, I probably liked the Adams
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I definitely like the monsters more.
You didn't, you didn't, You didn't

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relate to beautiful Maryland monster. That
isn't really my thing. They made they

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made three pilots. You know,
it took three pilots for them to get

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it right, to get the cast
right. They kept mixing up someone who

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was playing some of the characters,
and you can still find at least one

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of the unaired pilots online. Yeah, and it was filmed in color,

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which I thought was interesting, weird. Yeah, well, the salad.

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They did the thing in color,
and it was really not good. You

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know. They they had they had
a different Lily, they had a different

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uh Eddie, and it was it
was pretty painful to to sit through the

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delivery. Well actually now knowing what
we know and how the characters became so

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you know, I hate that word
iconic because it gets thrown around so much,

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but we know them and we're so
familiar with them, and the other

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ones were quite painful to uh to
sit through, knowing that they had to

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go through, you know, these
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Lily came in at the last minute, or it's just say Yvon de

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Carlo came in kind of as a
last minute because the first Eddie was awful.

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You know, he was like he
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werewolf, like scratching and like and
growling at people, like you know,

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it was it was kind of odd. And the other thing that was kind

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of weird was that grandpa. You
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wanted to bite her neck. And
the TV series, you know, they

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had her biting his arm, but
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It was kind of weird to bite
your daughter's neck. You know. I

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just thought that was kind of odd. That is odd. It was the

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sixties, you know, and was
a thing for people that are big on

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Universal Studios and the houses there.
This is a still I believe does it

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still exist the house Universal? Does? I know? It was real?

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It was reused later for the show's
Coach and Desperate Housewives famously. You know,

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they would just remodel it slightly and
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and you know, now it's a
picturesque house on a street. Yeah,

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they had it showed up on all
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was shot on that lot. Dragnet, the Incredible Hulk. It showed up

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on all those shows. And it's
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curve is the Ghost of Mister Chicken
house, which still stands too, although

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that looks nothing like it did back
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was kind of neat that those two
houses are so iconic and both have that

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same feel, that same kind of
cool, quirky, you know, not

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horror like scare you, slash you
stuff, but just kind of fun,

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fun, you know shows. And
yeah, and that color, that beautiful

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sixties color, and that was our
ghosts and Mister Chicken was last year's Halloween

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show that we did, right,
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there. Look they're on the same
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I found out when I was doing
the research, they released a movie after

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just as the show got canceled,
they started filming a reunion movie called Munster

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Go Home. And it was so
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the news that the show was canceled. I'm kind of jumping ahead, but

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that was when it was released.
It was a double feature with the Monster

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Go Home and the Ghost and Mister
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feature, which is kind of cool. That is cool. Before we get

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into the cast and the above the
line folks, you know, the producers

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and the directors, I want to
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person that was still iconic. The
Munster Coach, the car that was designed

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by George Barris's not George Barris himself
didn't design it, but it was done

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by his company. One of his
most famous creations, for sure, I

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would say, And it was built
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T that they stretched. I think
it was something like twenty feet long or

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eighteen feet long. Technically it was
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but it's accredited to George Barris,
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and they also wrote it in the
I think the Macy's Day Parade it

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drove. Yeah, it's a good
story about that too, about the Macy's

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Parade. But I got to sit
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I was trying to where it is
now because there's the commission a reading

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creation of one in the eighties it
was official, so I don't know where

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the real one is. Well,
yeah, I don't know when bears shot

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the doors to his shop last.
It was about two years ago, I

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think after he died. They they
they I don't know where anything went into

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storage, but it was there on
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original one was in his shop because
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in it, to the shot.
Did I tell you I was sitting in

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it because I said, I got
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compared it, and it's very similar. The only thing that looks different are

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the lamps in the very front of
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pretty much the same. So I'm
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So I saw a pictures of it
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display somewhere, and the pictures like
it was behind a like a rope or

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something like it was on it is, so I wonder if I mean,

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I know they made several dragulas,
the casket one. Those are all over

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the place, like the like the
batmobile is too, you know, write

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a ton of those. But no, I don't know where it is now.

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You said there was a funny there
was a good story behind the Macy's

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parade. What was it for people
who don't know. Okay, so so

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well the Macy's parade, No,
what was hopefully people know what the Mason's

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prede is, but no, what's
the story. Well, Fred Quinn,

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you know, very famously kind of
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You know, it wasn't a happy
experience for him. It was kind

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of miserable. The whole shoot was
a miserable shoot for him. And when

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they were doing the Macy's parade,
he and al Lewis were in the Munsters

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coach and apparently he and Fred was
drinking. He brought along a flask and

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al Lewis, I guess, was
pissed because Fred was getting more and more

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drunk. And the story is,
he says, al he know, I

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got to give a shout out to
my buddy Steve. We used his information

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before on the on the Gilligan's Island
podcast in the Beverly Hillbillies. But Steve

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wrote this book called The Demonastres A
Trip down Mark. Yeah, Steve Cox,

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and it's an awesome book and I
used they got a lot of information

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from it. And I talked to
what was the title of the book.

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It's called The Monsters. The Monster
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down Mockingbird Lane. Okay, great
and uh And the story in it says

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he and now did the Macy's parade
and Fred got kind of hammered, and

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so he started swearing. And so
the guy they were playing the Monster's theme

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turned up the Monster's theme in the
car, so you wouldn't hear Fred Gwinn

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swearing, and he said. Al
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Macy's and there was a media box
with Betty White and Lawn Green describing the

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parade. And Fred looked up at
the camera and goes, fuck you.

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thought al Lewis would have been a
little supportive of that, considering that al

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Lewis was a big activist political activist
in his personal life, especially a free

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speech activist. He was constantly,
you know, at bashing the CC and

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other groups that were trying to control
what wasn't wasn't allowed on air, and

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you know, later in his later
years he was a regular fixture on Howard

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Stern's show, and Stern did this
big like free speech rally that they broadcast

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live on over the radio and al
al Lewis was there, and al Lewis

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famously, this was in I don't
know when this was, but al Lewis

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famously started shouting fuck the FCC live
on air, over and over and over

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again and it went out like it
went out like that before Howard Stern could

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get the mic away from him and
they didn't get fined. Coincidentally, but

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yeah, seeing grant'st going fuck the
FCC, yeah he was hit at edge

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to him most definitely. But I
think he really I think he really respected

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the characters. You know, he
was always you know, happy to talk

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to kids in costume and stuff like
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Fred Gwimm is a little embarrassing,
I think at that point. But it's

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a funny story. Alan Burns.
Alan Burns was the co creator of the

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series with Chris Hayward, and shamelessly, you know, stole the idea,

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even by his own admission, from
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his quote was, we sort of
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owned the Frankenstein character and the Dracula
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to take to use those characters instead
of I guess Alan Burns and Hayward have

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kind of created their own kind of
monster characters and then universals like we'll wait

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a minute, we have the universal
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a whole show on here, let's
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where Wolf, Frankenstein, Dracula,
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that we own. He and Charles
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this. He clearly was, He
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a ripoff to some extent of his
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that the monsters continuously outperformed the Adams
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it? I didn't know that.
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and Chris Hayward they started off in
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and Dudley I think they created or
worked on Dudley do Right and George of

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the Jungle, and also he created
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Not the first time we're going to
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this for this episode. And then
he also co created My Mother the Car

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with Hayward, I think, and
then later on he partnered with James L.

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Brooks and they created the Mary Tyler
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so Alan Burns passed away fairly recently
passed away on January thirty, twenty

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twenty one. He had from Parkinson's
and Louis body dimension, which we've talked

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about a lot that Louis body dementia
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eighty five, so he still live
a long life. And wow, what

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a what a Hollywood story that guy
had, no kidding. And then and

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then his his creating creative partner,
Chris Hayward, who co created the series

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Rocky Bulwick and every and everything, and

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then after they parted ways, Chris
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Miller and Get Smart among other shows. Were these the guys that because there

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were they were there were the guys
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and the sort of the story was
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they fought with the Writers Guild to
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I know they brought writers in to
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because they Yeah, these guys had
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with it and then just fell out. And then they read one day that

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The Monsters was in develop were in
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show, and so they yeah,
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of it. They because they ended
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as creators or something to that effect, and uh, and prefer my own

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one. But they were like,
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show. It went in the direction
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oh, yeah, I didn't.
I didn't have this. I figured it

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was going to come up and I
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Ultimately this script was handed off to
write the pilot to Ed Hass and

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Norb Leibman and it was called I
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Monster. And interestingly, Ed Hass
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Show and other shows. I really
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Norb Leibman, which is kind of
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Yeah, there isn't a whole lot
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don't have a lot to share.
I can go back real quick. Chris

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Chris Hayward passed away on November twenty, two thousand and six from cancer,

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and he was eighty one. And
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show were Bob I want to say, Mosher Masher Mosher, Bob Mosher,

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ms H e Er and Joe Conley. And Joe Conley wrote like twenty episodes

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of the show, so he wrote, you know, a quarter of the

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show pretty much. And he had
previously written for twelve years for the Amos

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and Andy radio show, as had
Bob as his writing partner. And this

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is really interesting. So they wrote
leave it to Beaver, which is interesting

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because this show is basically a send
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and Joe Conley had seven children,
and so Beaver and his older brother

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Wally were actually based on two of
Joe Conley's sons who were fourteen and eight

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and suppose and the name Beaver was
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he served in the merchant Marines,
and he basically what he would do is

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he would just follow his seven kids
around the house with a notepad and just

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write down funny things that they did
and set. And that became the inspiration

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for the episodes. Huh, that's
interesting. Well, I mean it makes

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sense right, well, you know, right, that's true. And he

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was right ass the street. And
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three, February thirteenth. He had
a stroke and he also had Alzheimer's and

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he was eighty five. These guys
all lived a surprisingly long time for being

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from the era they were from.
A lot of these guys didn't live much

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past sixty. From this ara,
we find it's funny because the stuff that

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they used, Like I was thinking
about this, how toxic everything was around,

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you know, around this set.
I was trying to figure out how

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they how they made those spider webs, and it was rubber cement and a

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fan and they were that's where they
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lights. They had to keep doing it.

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It's like imagine just sitting there and
breathing that shit in all the time.

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You know, and so many other
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that were that was around that it
could not have been a healthy environment.

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of asbestos, like yeah, like, and everybody smoked and drank like,

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you know, a ton, and
so yeah, the people tended to just

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not live a very long time back
then. There were a couple other people

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I wanted to mention that were rioters
on this Jerry Paris, who he directed

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three episodes, so it wasn't a
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three out of seventy. But he
had also been an actor and he was

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a regular on The Untouchables and was
famously Jerry helper on the Dick Van Dyke

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Show that that was, you know, Dick Van Dyke's friend. And then

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he started television directing on the Dick
Van Dyke Show. So he kind of

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owes his directing career to Dick Van
Dyke and they said he just fell into

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it, so naturally. Then he
ended up directing I think eighty four episodes

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of that show. He ended up
directing two hundred and thirty seven episodes of

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Happy Days nineteen. Episodes were many
episodes of Happy Days. Oh my god,

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it's like he must have directed all
of them. And then if that

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number is correct, and also he
directed two of the Police Academy movies two

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and three, and then he did
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He died at sixty in nineteen eighty
six from a brain tumor. So yeah,

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yeah, yeah, he's very a
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in early eighties, and the Police
Academy three was in nineteen eighty six,

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so he was still directing right up
until, you know, the year

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that he passed away. And then
I also wanted to mention a director named

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Gene Reynolds, who directed two episodes. He started out as an extra in

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the Our Gang comedies and he went
on to be the executive producer of Mash

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and is a huge forcing the creation
of the Mash TV show, and he

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directed the pilot and he was supposedly
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Stevenson and Jamie Farr in their roles, and he ended up directing two twenty

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four episodes of that show of Mash, and he did thirty four episodes of

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Hogan's Heroes and he was also the
executive producer of Blossom and lou Grant,

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which was a spin off of the
Mary Tyler Moore Show, which is another

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Alan Burns connection. And he won
like six Primetime Emmys, and then he

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was president of the DJA. So
it's amazing group of people who even only

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had you know, I mean,
he only did two episodes of the Monsters,

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and yet you know it was kind
of back then. That's just it

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was these shows. If you stuck
around, you went on to do other

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things, bigger things. An overachiever. I would say, I wonder how

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many episodes of MASH there were,
you know. I'll actually there were like

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four hundred. It was lone for
so long. I know, two hundred

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and fifty one. That's it.
There were more Happy Days than there were

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Mash. I wouldn't have bet on
that Happy Days was. Google says there

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were two hundred and fifty five episodes
of Happy Days, So I think that

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number I must have read was wrong. Of how many episodes that guy must

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have directed, what did I say
he did? I thought you said seven.

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So yeah, wow, he directed
almost the entire series. I guess

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that makes sense. He look at
us trying to fact check ourselves live.

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All right, Well, you know
what, before we move on to that,

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I just wanted to say, there's
a house I noticed driving up on

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Los Felis Boulevard, and if you
go out just on on a Vermont pass

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over Les Felis Boulevard up to the
Greek Theater on the left is the Monster's

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House. I mean there's a house, a brick house that shaped looks exactly

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like all proportioned like the Monster's house. And I know when they made Bewitched,

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there's a real house in Santa Monica
that that is the Bewitched house.

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I've never seen it written down or
anything that this was the Monster's House.

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a template back then, sure houses,

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but it was. It's a big
brick house and it's got the written in

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everything. It's really it looks exactly
like it like it's shap Yeah, it

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might have been the inspiration. You
never know. No, All right,

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well, let's get into the cast
and might as well start with fred Gwynn

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Herman might as well Herman Munster.
His mother was an artist named Dorothy Ficken

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who she created the Sunny Gim character
which audiences today are probably not familiar with,

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but it was a character created in
nineteen oh two to sell a wheat

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flake cereal called Force Force cereal,
which was still being made in the US

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up until nineteen eighty three and was
still popular in England until twenty thirteen.

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But he was like the He was
like the capa and crunch for Force Cereal.

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He was this what do you call
it? Character? Force like as

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in use the force force like,
use the Force force. Never heard of

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it, and I never heard of
that Sunny He was Sunny Gem and the

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whole marketing campaign was always around like, you know, this cereal will make

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your life better. You'll be like
Sunny Jim. Everything is great because you'll

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have the energy from the wheat flakes. Never in a million years if I

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heard that one and quinc interestingly,
you know Bogart's Bogart's mother was also a

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famous artist, illustrator type artist,
graphic artist, yeah, graphic artists,

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illustrator, that kind of stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So during

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World War Two he served on a
submarine chaser and then went on to graduate

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from Harvard in nineteen fifty one,
and his first film appearance was a pretty

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big one. He was uncredited,
but he was on the waterfront looking at

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it. He put it. He
was in some wild movies. I mean

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I was like, really he was
in that. I don't remember, you

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know, and he was six foot
six. You're not going to miss him,

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especially back then. Yeah, yeah, because I guess he played He

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worked with Michael Douglass in Fatal Attraction. I'm like, really, I don't

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remember him in Fatal Attraction at all. Yeah, he was in pet Cemetery,

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the one what they came out like
eighty nine. I think he was

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in the Secret of My Success to
Michael J. Fox movie. I know

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him because one of my favorite bad
movies as a kid. I'm that's being

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mean. But The Boy who Could
Fly probably has an aged super well.

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I think it was a Disney movie
with Fred Savage was in it. I

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remember he was the uncle of like
the the Boy who Could Fly the boys

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like living with It's like the suchistic
Boy who Can Fly supposedly watch it.

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I don't wanna spoil it. Uh. And then he was also the judge

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and my cousin Vinnie. That was
a pretty prominent role. Yeah, that

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was I think that was his last
role, was my cousin Vinnie. I

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think he decided to quit after that. Well, he, like so many

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other actors we've talked about from the
sitcoms of this era, they got type

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cast, and he was type cast. He couldn't get he was he had

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a hard time getting film and television
roles after this show. Just two seasons

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on this show, and he's he's
he's, you know, Herman Munster for

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the rest of his life. He
even supposed the auditioned to play Henry on

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Punky Brewster, you know, the
male lead on that show, her her

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you know, guardian on it.
And and I guess during the audition the

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director referred to him as Herman Munster
insteaded by his real name, and he

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like stormed off. So you know, just think about that twenty years later,

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and that's happening. Well yeah,
but I mean, you do something

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that well, and we look at
the castaways, you know, it's like

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he was really you know, I
mean, even ultimately everyone came around.

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He was the only one that didn't. And you know, and I know

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that was an emotional thing for him
because it was painful makeup and it was

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two years, but he came back
for the sequels. There was another one

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in eighty one and he came back
for those, right, But he did

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say the quote I got was I
knew I was a leper after the series.

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The only thing I could pick up
after that was a twilight Zone or

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something like that. But at the
end, you know, he said,

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I love ol Herman Muster. As
much as I try not to, I

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can't stop liking that fellow. So, you know, just confusing, and

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yeah, I mean really, you
know, he was all over the place

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with it, but he didn't give
interviews very rarely. Even Steve tried to

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reach out to him writing the book, The Defenditive Book on the Monster is

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a very kind book, and he
was like, no, I'm not going

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to talk about it. I'm can
talk about it. It's like God,

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right Hill, Yeah, bad.
So. He was six six, but

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he wore five inch boots. I
think they were asphalt laying boots as part

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of his character, and heither wore
forty to fifty pounds of padding plus of

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course all the makeup and his face
was actually painted violet in color because that

407
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.960
would catch the light. The best
shooting in black and white shows. Yeah,

408
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.720
that shows up in that pilot.
I watched it last night. The

409
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.000
Color Pilot, and yeah, it's
really weird because it's not it is blue,

410
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:48.000
it is violet. That was interesting, really interesting. Yeah, before

411
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.799
this, he had right before this
show, he had a starring roles patrolman

412
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:53.640
Francis Muldoon in Car fifty four Where
Are You? Another kind of iconic sixties

413
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:59.160
series that only ran for a couple
seasons from sixty one to sixty three.

414
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.400
So yeah, his television career was
brief, but he had two major,

415
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:07.440
major iconic roles in four year Chemistry, yeah, the Chemistry without Lewis from

416
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.160
Car fifty four, and they brought
him back for the Monsters and theres was

417
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:17.279
a good, you know, comedy
relationship, right, very good. He

418
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:22.440
started making children's books, he started
doing he was always illustrating on the set.

419
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.880
He would he was a good caricature
artist, and he started painting and

420
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:32.640
he had he had a show an
opening in New York and Howard Stern,

421
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:37.200
you know, you know what he's
like. So he sends Stuttering John,

422
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:40.000
who is one of his I don't
know what you'd say, colleague, one

423
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.599
of the people who does on the
on the fly interviews with people are on

424
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:48.759
location. So this guy, he
got Stuttering John too want to go to

425
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.559
the art gallery opening and talk to
Fred and he says, he says,

426
00:29:52.799 --> 00:30:00.400
do you sign your paintings Herman Munster
or Fred Gwynn. Oh gosh. And

427
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.839
he was very kind about it,
you know, but it was clearly they're

428
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.759
trying to get, you know,
a nasty reaction out of him. But

429
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.400
he but he's yeah, he says, where's Lily or something like that,

430
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.079
even toward Sturdy. Because as they
were playing back the tape, Howard Street

431
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.680
says, I'm on the floor right
now. I can't even look because I'm

432
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:25.599
so it's so cringey. But he
was very he was very kind about it,

433
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.319
I guess because he knew it was
an audio recording too, so he

434
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:32.200
couldn't really tell the guy to go
get bent. But yeah, and that

435
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.319
was the other thing he asked about. Did Vincent vanco Ever wear bolts in

436
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:42.480
his neck? Answer? It's so
mean, so mean, but so funny

437
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:49.559
and wow, it's it's it's worth
listening to. Fred Gwynn passed away on

438
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.240
July second, nineteen ninety three,
from pancreatic cancer. He was only sixty

439
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:59.839
six, and he's supposedly buried in
an unmarked grave. Yeah, I think

440
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.680
Mike Massachusetts, I think, or
Maryland. One of the they were retired

441
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.079
to a place called I think it
was called Tiny Terrytown or Teeny Town and

442
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.839
they were raising beef cattle. Uh
and uh yeah, so he just after

443
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.279
my cousin Vinnie, he just left. Uh. He he had only been

444
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:21.440
diagnosed like four months before he died, so it was a conscious you know,

445
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:26.799
it was before he started getting older
and more ill. Uh that that

446
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.680
they moved out that way, So
I think it just took him by surprise.

447
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.119
But he went quick. You know, it was after when he was

448
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.240
diagnosed. He he really went quickly. You think he's an an unmarked grave

449
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:38.920
because they're afraid someone will try to
dig him up and bring them back to

450
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.839
life. That's funny. I knew
he was in a mark grave, but

451
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:51.759
that's very funny. That's hilarious.
You know. I imagine it's the thought

452
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:59.480
he had in his life. He's
alive. And Lewis stayed in touch with

453
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:01.160
him too. He did stay in
touch with him and talked to him a

454
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:06.000
couple of days before he died,
So he and al Lewis maintained a friendship.

455
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:08.960
But everybody so far, all I've
heard is d al Lewis was mad

456
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:13.519
at him during the parade, and
then al Lewis of course was a regular

457
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.039
on Howard Stern and Howard Stern you
know, made fun of the Herman Munster

458
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.920
thing. So I just thought maybe
there was some something going on behind the

459
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.440
back, behind the scenes there between
them. So I'm glad to hear that

460
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.599
they were friendly. Well, yeah, and it's funny because they were like

461
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:29.640
those two are against against the world, you know, as far as the

462
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.480
show goes, because they were both
you know, although Eluis didn't have the

463
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:37.119
prosthetics like Herman Munster did, but
they had the relationship, and I guess

464
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.680
it was a real problem when Evon
de Carla was brought in because they're like,

465
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:43.839
who's this, you know, all
of a sudden, we have this,

466
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:45.920
we have this relationship, we have
we know how things are. All

467
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:50.599
of a Suddeny're bringing this big wig. So they were like they were objecting

468
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.279
to everything when she was first brought
in. They were not having it who

469
00:32:54.240 --> 00:33:00.200
they were really, but they as
a team, we're not We're not react

470
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.559
well to the change of you know, probably for the fear of being upstaged.

471
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.680
Yeah, it's going to become the
Yvonne de Carlo show. If she's

472
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:12.240
broading here a Hollywood legend. Right, Wow, that's interesting. But apparently

473
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.400
everyone chill. But theirs was a
very That was a very show busy show,

474
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:20.240
you know what I mean as far
as the relationships, show business relationships,

475
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.599
and how the industry works, how
people get their nose bent out of

476
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.920
shape, how you know, people
don't get along with other people. It's

477
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:32.640
like everything was encapsulated in this show. But ultimately, you know, they

478
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.440
it's a show. I think they
all came to embrace on some level.

479
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.039
Sure, Vaughn never didn't. Never
didn't. She was ready for it to

480
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:45.640
be done, but she never came
out against it. Yeah, And look,

481
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:49.759
it also depends on how what their
career did afterwards. And you know,

482
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.240
they might have been unhappy with her
for a while, but eventually they

483
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.880
realized that was kind of it.
That was my last big, big thing.

484
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:59.160
I kind of have no choice but
to come around and eventually embrace it

485
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:01.880
later, And her career never really
got any bigger after that either. It

486
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:06.279
was on the downslide to begin with. While she went into television from because

487
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:07.840
back then, to go from film
to television was considered, you know,

488
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:13.960
a backwards move anyways, a downgrade. So you know that her career continued,

489
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:17.159
I think to go in that direction
by that time as well. So

490
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:22.440
al Lewis famously Grandpa, a Dracula
looking character, as you mentioned, was

491
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:27.079
also in the cast of car fifty
four Where Are You? He had started

492
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.079
in vaudeville, and he was a
game barker at Coney Island, But pretty

493
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:35.559
much everything else about his life you
have to question. Because one of these

494
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.440
guys who just told all these tall
tales, he said he had a PhD

495
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:43.679
from Columbia University. Columbia had never
heard of him, had no record of

496
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.159
him. He had he gave different
birth years. His official birth year was

497
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:50.159
in nineteen twenty three, but he
kept telling people he was born in nineteen

498
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.960
ten. And in two thousand and
two he made a reference to being ninety

499
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.079
two years old, which is how
old he would be if he was born

500
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.960
in nineteen ten. But his son
is adamant that no was nineteen twenty three.

501
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.039
And there's a census report from nineteen
forty that makes a reference to someone

502
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.639
of his name being sixteen years old, which again would also line up with

503
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.039
you know, nineteen twenty three ish
as being his thing, but for some

504
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:14.840
reason he wanted people to think he
was older. But what's interesting to me

505
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:16.480
is if he was born in twenty
three, that means he was in his

506
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:21.800
barely into his forties. When he's
playing Grandpa Munster, he was one year

507
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:25.480
younger than Ivon de Carlo, right, who plays his Daughterantly that is nuts,

508
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:29.480
and that was shocking because he's one
of those people that always looked like

509
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:34.239
he was ninety and uh yeah,
yeah, he was the Wilford Brimley of

510
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:40.880
the monsters. But he was a
very likable guy and never ever ever,

511
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.599
you know, he went by Grandpa. He ate it up, he loved

512
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.079
it. Yeah. He he ran, you know, as I said earlier,

513
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:51.880
he was politically active. He ran
for governor of New York and he

514
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:55.400
tried to get on the ballot as
Grandpa al Lewis, and he argued the

515
00:35:55.480 --> 00:36:00.360
dunce how everybody knew him, and
they rejected that. He also ran for

516
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.000
the US Senate and two in the
year two thousand, always as the as

517
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:08.880
the Green Party candidate. He had
bit parts and lost in space and taxi,

518
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.880
you know, taxi being late much
later and he had you know,

519
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.079
he was in films like Pretty Boy
Floyd and they shoot horses, don't they.

520
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.480
But again, this was kind of
the pinnacle of his career as a

521
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.920
as a famous person was Grandpa from
the Munsters. It became what he was

522
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.400
known as. But as you mentioned, you know, he was type cast,

523
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.599
but he liked it. Unlike Fred
Gwynn, he would show up dresses

524
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.719
the Grandpa character for various things.
He would, you know, he was

525
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:37.480
kind of like Alan Hale Junior from
Galligan's Island that he opened the restaurants with

526
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:43.119
the name called Grandpa's Bellagent in New
York City in the eighties. Yeah,

527
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:45.639
he leaned into it. He's like, eh, that's how I'm known,

528
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.679
That's how I'm known. Yeah,
I know, he liked that. He

529
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.960
sounds like a well, he was
good friends with Steve Cox, and you

530
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:58.559
know he again never ever didn't respond
to an interview request, never ever didn't

531
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.159
stop and say hello to some body
if they perched him. So so,

532
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:05.960
yeah, he was h And the
fact that he called his restaurant Grandpa's I

533
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:09.239
thought that was great. Yeah.
In Greenwich Village, which is where Fred

534
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:14.159
gwinliff for many many years after The
Monsters in Greenwich village, which is just

535
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.320
odd because they don't you know,
it just seems there, I don't know,

536
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:22.599
it just seems younger than them,
especially village. Yes, yeah,

537
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:30.360
yeah, so but he apparently he
had diabetes and he had they were they

538
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.119
were taking him away in pieces.
I mean, you know, he took

539
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:37.119
away his leg, his foot,
his toes. I mean it was he

540
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:39.920
got really really ill towards the end, but still on top of things from

541
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:45.079
what I understand, you know,
still still very chatty and uh and and

542
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:46.679
he's still a lot of quotes I've
read from him. I don't think there

543
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:50.800
were quotes like my father said,
dot dot Dodd. I mean I think

544
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:55.159
there were. They were genuinely l
Lewis remarks. So I think he was

545
00:37:55.159 --> 00:38:00.800
was cognitant of what was going on. And yeah, and when he I

546
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.440
guess when he died, he was
cremated and putting in his favorite cigar box.

547
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.000
Right. He died on February third, two thousand and six, from

548
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:15.400
natural causes. And he was either
eighty two or or yeah or ninety five,

549
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.800
depending on who you ask. And
I was like all those two.

550
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:24.039
I haven't been able to find it, but I recall that Butch Patrick was

551
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:28.239
at the funeral and drove the dragula. You know, I had like a

552
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.960
memorial service for him, and it
was like a three hour memorial service.

553
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:35.679
But I haven't been able to back
it up, but I'm positive I remember

554
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.920
but Patrick in the in the some
sort of procession. I don't know if

555
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:44.199
his ashes were there, but yeah, but I'm sure because they were close.

556
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:46.599
He and Butch were good friends.
Yeah, but Patrick, who who

557
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:51.719
played Eddie Monster. He said that
the cast all drifted apart afterwards, but

558
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:54.599
then it sounds like they kind of
became friends again later on when they did

559
00:38:54.639 --> 00:39:00.480
the reunion shows, and he and
maybe it was harder for him to stay

560
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:02.280
friends initially because he was still a
kid when the show ended, and then

561
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:05.760
when they did their reunions, you
know, he was older, maybe it

562
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:07.880
was easier for him to stay friends
with these adults. But he did say

563
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.679
he reconnected with with al Lewis,
and he reconnected with Evon de Carlow,

564
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.599
and she'd become a bit of a
recluse by that point, was living north

565
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:19.599
of la up in the Solving area
by then, and he was I think

566
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:24.239
he was helping her out trying to
Goch was Butch was a mess. I

567
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.360
mean, but Patrick went, you
know, I mean, honestly, there's

568
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:34.000
I was. I'll tell you about
the time in Chicago, in Chicago ninety

569
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.679
ninety, this is we'll get We'll
get to Butcher. I'll tell you that

570
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.559
story. Okay, But but even
Butcher was saying they they he was such,

571
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:45.159
he was in such bad state with
substance abuse and just just hooked up

572
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:49.280
with the wrong people at every single
stage of his life almost but he and

573
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.639
Yvonne did a did a show together, one of those you know, I

574
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.920
think it was the Vicky Lawrence Show
for a Halloween reunion. It was he

575
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:00.760
in Yvonne, and Yvonne was clearly
into it at all, like she was

576
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:06.639
just really fed up with Butch for
whatever reason behind behind the scenes at that

577
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:12.760
time. Wow. But but yeah, Butch had a real he spiraled big

578
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:17.119
time all right. Well. Speaking
of Lily von de Carlo, one of

579
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:22.039
the big Hollywood icons of the forties
and fifties, most famous role was a

580
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:28.079
Sephora and Cecil b de Mills The
Ten Commandments in nineteen fifty six. She

581
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:30.880
was a Canadian descent and then moved
out to Los Angeles and she started out

582
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:36.880
as a dancer at Florentine Gardens,
as several other big stars did. Starlus

583
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.440
did from back in that era.
In fact, I think I think we

584
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.880
mentioned her in our first documentary Do
You Live, part of Volume one,

585
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:47.920
because they say the they say she
may have The Florentine Gardens was a nightclub.

586
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.559
They had exotic dancers, not strippers. It wasn't like that. I

587
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.480
mean, it was like big floor
shows. Of course they were wearing bikinis

588
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:59.119
and stuff like that, but it
wasn't slutty. Yeah, it was.

589
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:02.239
It was like a perform rmans.
Anyway, supposedly according to you know,

590
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.960
uh rumor. Anyway, she worked
with the Black Dhia Elizabeth Short at the

591
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:09.840
Florentine Gardens for a while. I
think we touched on that in our documentary.

592
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.480
I think we did. Yeah,
And was Marilyn Monroe also at the

593
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:16.519
Florentine Gardens at some point early in
her she got married or her first wedding

594
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:22.480
reception was there when she was sixteen. Yeah, yeah, which is still

595
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.480
there and it's still a nightclub in
Hollywood, which is shocking. Yeah,

596
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.559
it's still active. It's still active. She was in debt apparently when she

597
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:35.079
signed on to do the Monsters,
just a career had. You know,

598
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:39.480
it's interesting that she could have such
a huge peak just seven years earlier with

599
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:43.639
the Ten Commandments and CCB to Mill, cecil B to Mill and all that,

600
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:46.079
and then seven years later, just
for whatever reason, the career had

601
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:51.440
slid and she's in debt and she's
having to do you know, the lowly

602
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.760
thing for film actors of going to
do television now, yeah, yeah,

603
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:58.880
you know, and it was solely
for money. But it is weird because

604
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.880
those guys probably like ten grand for
you know, the Ten Commandments and no

605
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.159
royalties, you know, no residuals, nothing like that. So so it

606
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:08.760
was a one off. But but
yeah, I know, it's a real

607
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:15.000
shame that people do these roles that
become so iconic. There's that word again.

608
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.960
And she also was Solomme was what
put her on the map in nineteen

609
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.400
forty five. Ultimately, her biggest
role you said, was Ten Commandments in

610
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:28.320
films anyway, but she worked with
you know, supposedly she supposedly had romances

611
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:34.480
with Burt Lancaster and Howard Hughes and
Robert Stack and I don't I don't think

612
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.679
she I don't think she had a
thing with Brando, I don't think,

613
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:42.760
but there was an incident on the
set with Brando. I think Brando had

614
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:46.960
the hots for her in the lily
costume, and the cast made a joke

615
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:51.039
or tried to play a joke on
Marlon Brando where he was supposed to do

616
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:52.800
a scene on a different sound stage
and it was going to be in a

617
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.880
confessional booth and Brianda was on one
side of it, and the priest is

618
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:59.400
supposed to be on the other side
of bend. Eddie Vaughne in her makeup

619
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.960
whip open the curtain of the combassion
booth on Brando and it was there was

620
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:12.039
everyone. Everyone laughed uproarsally right.
She also had a relationship with Billy Wilder,

621
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:15.760
the director. Yeah, she said, was not at all h her

622
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:21.840
type, except that he was such
a charming and funny person that she charmed.

623
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.199
He charmed her and then he left
her for another actress. But she

624
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.880
I think she tended to go for
the big, tough guy types. She

625
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:32.280
had relationships I think with at least
two stuntmen. One of them she married.

626
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.400
Yeh, she married a stuntman that
was on The Ten Commandments. Actually,

627
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.400
when they were filming on she went
when they were filming on location in

628
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:45.360
Egypt, and I think she met
him there and married him, and then

629
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:49.599
he was injured. I want to
say on the West was how the West

630
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:53.280
was one? I think he got
injured badly on that shooting a scene where

631
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:58.360
he was you know, the stunt
stand in for a stunt scene. So

632
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:04.119
anyways, yeah, well she had
she had two sons with him, and

633
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:09.599
apparently one of the sons died in
nineteen ninety seven. Uh, and Yvonne,

634
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:14.480
you know, was was not dead
yet obviously, but they had She

635
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:15.920
and her one son had to you
know, we're dealing with the grief of

636
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:20.719
that. And the one son straight
out says that her he was murdered.

637
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:24.440
She thinks that they they're the official
cause that was released was natural causes.

638
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:28.880
But the other son who lived is
saying, no, it was definitely murder.

639
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.199
He was it was somebody with him
in rehab when he was like in

640
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:36.280
a halfway house and uh, and
he was They say he was murdered,

641
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:42.039
didn't say the method, but the
son was was convinced that that he was

642
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.719
killed murdered by a drug dealer because
he was recovering for alcoholism. I guess

643
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:50.920
that's why he was there. Jesus
and she but she was really close with

644
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.920
her other son towards the other towards
the end of her life, she was

645
00:44:53.960 --> 00:45:00.519
living in the Motion Picture Country Home
Hospital out in Woodland Hills and and her

646
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:06.039
son was out, you know,
visiting her all the time, and they

647
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.000
were very close. And I guess
the year well butch Patrick had visited her

648
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:12.960
in Thanksgiving the year before she died. That was the last time he saw

649
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.800
her. And they you know,
they they were a good relationship at the

650
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:21.199
end. And her son, who
visited her on New Year's Eve, said

651
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.559
something like, I hope you have
a happy New Year, and she stopped

652
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:27.599
and said, I hope you have. No I hope you have a happy

653
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.840
New Year, which kind of looked
like they made eye contact. And she's

654
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:35.280
like, I'm you know, she's
ready to roll right, ready to be

655
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:42.079
gone. But but she did.
She did die well. Her last words,

656
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.760
her son was with her and they
were holding hands and and she said

657
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:50.159
she he said, I want you
to go to the light or something to

658
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.639
that effect. It's time for you
to go, time for you to go.

659
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.840
And he said that her head started
going, you know, darting back

660
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:59.559
and forth and she said her last
words were, what's happening to me?

661
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:07.440
And she kind of grabbed his hand
and died right then. So it's just

662
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:12.000
interesting to know. It would be
very interesting to know what was going on.

663
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.920
Yeah, she passed away on January
eight, two thousand and seven,

664
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.360
from heart failure. She was eighty
four. And I always have to mention

665
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:21.719
this whenever it pops up. She
was in an episode of Murder, she

666
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:25.320
wrote in nineteen eighty five, which
also the monsters have shows up in an

667
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.639
episode of Murder. I love it. But Yvonne also she had gang green

668
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:38.880
of the bowel and that doesn't sound
fun. Archery, arterial collusion, arteriosclerosis,

669
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:45.960
chronic atrial fibrillate fibrillation. But yeah, gang green at the bowel is

670
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.159
listed on her death certificate, which
was like, oh man, that got

671
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.599
to be something else. Yeah,
that's not great. Peptobismal is not going

672
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:58.239
to help that one. That's not
great. On that note, Rest in

673
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.400
peace, Avon de Carlo. Yeah, it'd be nice to know where that

674
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:06.360
where her ashes are. I know
that her son has her ashes, but

675
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:08.920
it'd be nice for her to be
put someplace where everyone could visit. Right,

676
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:14.159
butch Patrick, who we've mentioned a
few times already. He was Eddie

677
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:19.480
Munster. He's still alive. He
started acting as a kid in commercials and

678
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:24.639
TV guest appearances before this show and
then afterwards. A few years later,

679
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:30.400
he starred as Mark in the side
Marty Croft ABC Saturday morning series Liddsville that

680
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.840
ran from nineteen seventy one to nineteen
seventy three. He must have been a

681
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:38.599
teenager or a young adult by that
point. And then he had a guest

682
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:43.400
roles and I Dream of Jeanie and
gun Smoke and the Monkeys and Daniel Boone

683
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:47.880
and Adam twelve. He had a
recurring role of Gordon Deering on My Three

684
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:54.559
Sons and before he left acting eventually
in nineteen seventy five, he did appear

685
00:47:54.599 --> 00:48:00.519
as himself in The Simpsons at one
point. Yeah, and my film Dicky

686
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:05.159
Roberts former child Star. He was
in that. Yeah, I have to

687
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.480
look that one up. That was
a good movie from what I remember.

688
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.079
The child Star. That's because they
had a lot of child stars in that

689
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:15.239
movie. Right. They played poker
or something and that was pretty funny scene.

690
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.440
I think like Rodney Allen Rippy was
in there. But but yeah,

691
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.760
Lidsville was a wild show. I
mean talk about people say that Sid Marty

692
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:27.239
Kroft. You know they denied being
you know, it being drug related,

693
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:29.960
but you know, I mean to
Lidsville, for God's sake. You know,

694
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.920
they were talking hats and you know, and there was puffing stuff.

695
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.320
You know, that thing was psychedelic
with those guys. Yeah, with those

696
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.960
guys most definitely. But yeah,
the originally the role of Eddie Munster was

697
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.800
offered to Billy Moomey from Lost in
Space, and his parents didn't because he

698
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:51.400
ended up being everything. Billy Moomee
was in everything you know there was.

699
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:52.800
There were so many you know,
he was in Twilight, It was so

700
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:59.599
many sixty shows he showed up in
and uh just you know, guest appearances,

701
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.079
Western and horror movies and stuff.
He was in all of them.

702
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:07.719
And he was apparently in the movie
The Phantom Told Booth, which I didn't

703
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.760
didn't realize, but so in he
had. This has happened in nineteen ninety

704
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.760
and it was a Halloween event and
my friend Bonn and I and when I

705
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:19.199
lived in Chicago, we went to
all those things. And this is before

706
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.239
there were like autograph shows and stuff
like that. It was like a shot

707
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.800
in the dark or needle in the
haystack when anybody from was doing an appearance

708
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:30.079
quote unquote, And Butcher was doing
a Halloween night in nineteen ninety in appearance

709
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.719
at this bar in Chicago. So
we went and he was there, and

710
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.440
he would have been how old who
do you have been in nineteen ninety Probably

711
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:43.239
thirty, close to thirties. Probably, I thin because I think he was

712
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:45.400
born in like fifty three. No, not born in fifty three. Was

713
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.199
he born in fifty three? I
want to say he was born in like

714
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:52.199
fifty three. Hold on, okay, so because he sent eighty three ninety

715
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:57.599
three, so he's close to forty
years old and he was born in he's

716
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:01.440
seventy nine, Okay. He showed
up at this event in Eddie Munster makeup

717
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:07.079
like like it was, and his
ears were like falling off and they were

718
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:09.519
like you know, it was like
play. It was like silly putty ears.

719
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:13.159
I got a picture and I'll send
it to you. You got to

720
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:15.599
see this picture. It looks it's
like whoa, you know, and then

721
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:22.960
it's like the real sort of big
spiraling at time of his But this is

722
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.599
the day after he did this thing
that we that we saw him at.

723
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:30.480
This isn't Chicago. He they put
him in in a van or in a

724
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:36.360
limo to take him to his hotel. And he and another guy and the

725
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.800
limo driver I guess they I guess
the fee was like one hundred and seventy

726
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:43.280
five dollars to do this one run
and three in the morning. And they

727
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.559
gave the limo driver like one hundred
and thirty dollars and said they'll give you

728
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.320
the rest when they get to the
house. But it ended up he got

729
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.400
lost a couple of times, and
there was this physical altercation where they beat

730
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:58.039
him up and took his wallet away
from him, and the police recalled and

731
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:01.239
he was arrested in charged with the
aggravate to sault. Then they ended up

732
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:06.440
convicting him. He was he had
to pay a two hundred dollars fine,

733
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.719
eight hundred and fifty dollars restitution,
and one hundred hours of community service and

734
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:15.760
drug and alcohol treatment. After all
this, he did get married one more

735
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.199
twice, and one of them both
of them were to fans, you know,

736
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:23.719
he married fans. They had a
really ugly breakup and she stole Eddie's

737
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:30.280
or Butcher's Eddie Monster costume and auctioned
it off. Butcher didn't even you know,

738
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.000
he found out about it later on. Wow. And there was one

739
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:35.960
other thing where he made the tabloids
in two thousand and seven, because there

740
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.800
was when he would do all these
appearances. There was a one something called

741
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:44.400
a Monster Hall mobile home park that
he would show up in, and there

742
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:49.400
was the guy who owned the mobile
home park ended up being murdered and apparently

743
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.320
he wasn't involved, but it was
just another thing, you know, he

744
00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:57.320
just it just spiraled. Well,
he's still alive, so I can't tell

745
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.239
you when he died. He did
do a little Caesar's commercial as a grown

746
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:05.679
up Eddie Munster, which I need
to track that down. I think that

747
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.920
McDonald's was remember McDonald's was doing like
a weird thing for a while. They

748
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:13.960
like reunited some Gilligan's Island people and
the Beverly Hill b Belife people, And

749
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:17.000
I wonder if it was Eddie and
l Lewis for some reason that sounds kind

750
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:21.000
of familiar. Yeah, it was
in the nineties and they were on this

751
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:25.039
this nostalgic kind of you know trip
with that the Hill Belief remembers more specifically,

752
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:30.360
but interesting, Well, that would
have been kind of the peak for

753
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:32.840
its syndication, you know, airing
back then too. All those shows were

754
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:37.920
just all over tv Land at that
era, just running like back to back

755
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:40.119
to back all day every day.
You know, that was back when you

756
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:44.400
could. You know, they would
they would run like Monsters episodes for like

757
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:49.760
four hours, you know what I
mean. Like that, nobody had an

758
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:54.639
easier programming job than the guy at
tv Land for our block of Gilligan's Island,

759
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:58.639
for block of My Dream of Genie. Yeah, come up with clever

760
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:05.840
commercials, right that. That's it
the end, all right. Beverly Owen,

761
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:10.000
who was the first Marilyn Monster,
she was only in the first thirteen

762
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:13.559
episodes. She didn't even make it. I mean she barely made it a

763
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:15.519
third of the way through the first
season, which is crazy to me.

764
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:21.360
And she left to get married to
a writer producer named John Stone who was

765
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.519
a future writer producer on Sesame Street, and then you know they were I

766
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:29.360
think they were married for like a
decade roughly before getting divorced. So it's

767
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:31.960
interesting that why would she sign on
to do a show and then leave after

768
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:36.800
thirteen episodes to go marry somebody?
Did she not like the show? Was

769
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.079
this just an era where you decided
to get married quickly to somebody that you

770
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:43.880
had barely dated. I would love
to know the whole, like the story

771
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.320
behind how that, the drama behind
how that had happened. I think it

772
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:50.960
was. I mean, as I
understand it, it was sort of like

773
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:54.360
Natalie Schaeffer and Gilligan's Island where she
did the pilot for a couple of bucks

774
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:59.519
and they offered her the role.
Even Yeah, I think that might have

775
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:04.840
been it. But she she had
no negative recollection of the show. She

776
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:07.679
didn't want to be and she didn't
want to be in LA. She just

777
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.119
wanted to go back to New York
with her with her husband. And apparently

778
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:15.239
the producers just kind of got sick
of her crying all the time and going,

779
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:16.079
you know, she got me out
of here, get me out here.

780
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:21.039
They're finally like, go just go. We're tired, we're tired of

781
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:24.320
you. And it wasn't nasty,
it was it was amicable completely, and

782
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:28.000
she was lucky to get out of
her contract too. Yeah, and it's

783
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.039
like, oh no, we're in
LA. Where will we find a beautiful

784
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:34.159
blonde actress? There are none.
An she wore a blonde wig. Actually

785
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.599
there wasn't that she wore she had
a U and I think, what was

786
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.159
it? I think? But Patrick
had very nice things to say about her

787
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.239
as well, that she was just
he loved. I think when she passed

788
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.280
away, he made a really nice
note about her, and he had a

789
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:51.760
crush on her when he was a
kid, and then she was the nicest

790
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.159
person on set, and all this
very positive things to say about her.

791
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:59.079
And of course the running gag for
her character is she's the one normal looking

792
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:02.480
person and in the family and she's
this gorgeous blonde and they all treat her

793
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:07.800
like she's the ugly one. In
fact, the first big joke in the

794
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.119
pilot episode, the one that actually
aired, the first episode that ever aired,

795
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.440
was herman comes in because she's just
finishing up a date on the front

796
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:20.760
porch with the guy she's been dating. And herman comes up to to Lily

797
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.199
and says, this is the fourth
date she's had with that young man,

798
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:25.280
and Lily says, yes, It's
amazing how some boys will overlook a girl's

799
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:31.280
appearance. That show was freaking clever
as hell, it really was. There

800
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:36.239
was the one I wrote down was
never mind, never mind, Marilyn.

801
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.440
You must remember she's not as fortunate
as the rest of us. And then

802
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:40.599
it literally goes, now you go
up to bed, Eddie, and don't

803
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:46.079
forget to close the lid. Like
this stuff, the stuff that they would

804
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:50.039
say, herman come to bed,
Grandpa turned off the storm and all is

805
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:54.679
quiet. Is all this quiet is
making me nervous. That's great. But

806
00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:59.360
that was one other one that's,
you know, hurry up and have well

807
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:01.719
her up and eat before the cheese
dip crawls out of the bowl. I

808
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:07.039
think was another one of them.
It was just so funny. It was

809
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:13.239
so funny. So Beverly Owen was
into history, and she earned her master's

810
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.440
degree in nineteen eighty nine, and
then I don't know much else about her

811
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:22.880
until she passed away in February twenty
first, twenty nineteen from ovarian cancer and

812
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:28.079
she was eighty one. That is, yeah, she didn't have a whole

813
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.400
lot of a you know, career
after leaving the shoulder that she did come

814
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:36.639
back I think in the seventies and
did one of the big soap operas.

815
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:38.599
For a time. She was recurring
role on a soaproper for for a few

816
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:43.400
years. I don't think she had
any regrets, but it's sort of odd

817
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:49.360
when somebody's in a show that's considered
a quote hit to bail on it.

818
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:52.440
Yeah, and then again, they
were probably making they were probably making fifteen

819
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.440
hundred bucks an episode too. I
mean, there was probably no money in

820
00:56:55.480 --> 00:57:00.719
it. So yeah. In nineteen
seventy two, she played doctor Paula McCree

821
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:05.800
on Another World for nine months,
and that I think is kind of her

822
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:10.199
last role that she did, all
right, And then the person who replaced

823
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:15.239
her as Marilynd Munster number two was
Pat Priest, who then you know,

824
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:17.800
became the better I guess, probably
the better known of the Maryland Monsters for

825
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:24.119
the run of the show. She
is still alive, and her mother was

826
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:30.320
the US Treasurer, that the Treasurer
of the United States in the nineteen fifties

827
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:35.880
and then was the California Treasurer in
the sixties and seventies. And the fact

828
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:38.199
that she was the US treasure in
the fifties means that her mother's signature is

829
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:43.719
on all the paper currency that was
printed at that time. Isn't that cool?

830
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:46.639
That's cool? Yeah, it is, that's pretty neat. Yeah,

831
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:51.840
So she and they used her connections
she got she was a page at like

832
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.280
one of the big national one of
the big national political conventions back in the

833
00:57:55.360 --> 00:58:00.960
day. And she was on episodes
of my favorite Martian Perry Mason, the

834
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:05.440
Lucy Show, Mannix, Bewitched,
the Mary Tyler Moore Show, Another connection

835
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.039
there, et cetera, et cetera. One of these actresses that went on

836
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:10.880
to you know, an episode or
two here or there on all these other

837
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:15.599
big sitcoms of the era which we
see so much. In that time frame,

838
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:19.400
there were so many sitcoms being made. Yeah, yeah, for sure,

839
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:22.599
they I know that she was well, you know, it's kind of

840
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:27.199
like the original not well, maybe
not the original, but the Darren Switch,

841
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.119
you know, which is like midway
through the first season. They got

842
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:34.480
it unannounced because they sort of hit
they hit a cookie cookie cutter with her.

843
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:38.519
You know, she was like a
Marilyn Monroe Sandra d Cross, you

844
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:44.599
know, of of cross pollen,
whatever you call that, of the of

845
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:46.719
the two character types. And you're
talking to Darren Switch, you're making a

846
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:52.000
reference to Bewitched, which we did
to show about where they replaced that the

847
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:55.400
husband character with a different actor.
Yeah, and then she said basically,

848
00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:59.360
my you know, maybe I had
an episode or two, but mostly I

849
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.960
was in the kitchen helping h aunt
Lily make you know, clean clean the

850
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:07.559
table, and say where's Uncle Herman, what's Grandpa up to? You know?

851
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:09.960
That was you know, she loved
you know, she's another one that

852
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:13.559
went to all the I don't know
if she still does, but went to

853
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:16.199
all the conventions and and loved all
that stuff. Yeah. Sure, but

854
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.119
she's also realistic about her part and
the show. You know, she was

855
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:24.920
you know, she was you can't
really quote her very much, no,

856
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:30.000
I mean she was essentially the straight
man in a cast of kooky characters.

857
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:31.360
So they you know, you're not
going to have as much in the same

858
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:35.280
things to do when that's your role
is to be the normal person for them,

859
00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:38.559
to contrast everybody else against, right, And it's a one gag joke

860
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:42.320
of she's the beautiful one and they
treat her like she's ugly. Like how

861
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:45.360
many times can you revisit that joke? You know? Oh my god,

862
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:47.880
it was so funny because I remember
that that scene you were talking about with

863
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:52.360
the boyfriend in the episode, and
and she walked by and says, Lily,

864
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.159
soas I don't know what's wrong with
her or something to that effect.

865
00:59:55.159 --> 01:00:00.800
And herman just has this look of
absolutely disgust on his face. He's talking

866
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:07.199
about how she looks. It was
really funny. And they do the I

867
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:10.880
don't know if they still do,
but Butch and Pat Priest used to go.

868
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:15.880
There's this house in Waxahachie, Texas
that Troy and I visited it.

869
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:20.599
I wish I'd be able to get
in it. But these this couple built

870
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:25.760
the Monster's House to scale. Everything
in it works. There's the coffin clock,

871
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:31.119
there's the thing that you you pulled
down to open up the the stairway.

872
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:36.400
I mean, this house is perfect, perfectly done. The guy says,

873
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:37.360
if I had the money, I'd
do you know, I'd have the

874
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:42.320
Psycho House at the end of my
street. And you know that's sort of

875
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:45.960
a thing. But they have the
Monster's House that they built from scratch in

876
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:50.800
Texas, which is really pretty cool. But do they have a dragon named

877
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:52.639
Spot? That's the big question.
I'll bet you they have a prop.

878
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:57.320
They have to have a prop.
You have to have a dog named Spot,

879
01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.400
like you have to have some people
with that name, yeah, or

880
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:05.400
a lizard that was funny whenever Scott
was spot made an appearance. I mean,

881
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:07.960
of course, the iconic, iconic
there's that word again, when the

882
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:12.800
when the when the stairway opens and
he's there and he blasts out the fire.

883
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:15.239
But every once in a while he
get out and all you choose this

884
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:21.760
enormous dinosaur taiale going past the back
door. It was, it was,

885
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.440
It was really funny. That was
such a clever show, such a clever

886
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:30.280
show. I wanted to mention a
few of the guest stars from it.

887
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:37.719
You know Mel Blank and Bob Hastings
voice the raven in sixteen episodes of the

888
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:39.880
show. Mel Blank, of course, the man of a thousand voices,

889
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:45.800
who did uh you know, the
lady characters, Bugs, Bunny and all

890
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:50.480
them. Yeah, you know that. Then there's I can' had anything from

891
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:55.159
that show. That clock with the
raven coming in, and that was amazing.

892
01:01:55.239 --> 01:02:00.800
That clock is such a such an
awesome prop. Really, everything that

893
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:04.280
whole place is filled with amazing props, but that clock. If I had

894
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.480
my choice of anything, it would
be that and then other big guest stars

895
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.920
on the show. Over the years, Don Rickles played a doc Happy Have

896
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:17.320
meire Dom Deluiz played a doctor.
Dudley. John Carradine appeared as a character

897
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:22.480
named mister Gateman, and Jane Withers
he was the Yeah, I'm sorry,

898
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:29.519
that was the he on the funeral
home. It was Gateman Kingsley, but

899
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:34.719
it was herman's boss, his herby's
boss. Yeah. Yeah. Jane Withers

900
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.239
played a character named Fanny Pike.
Of course. Jane Withers, famous child

901
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:42.039
star, was a rival of Shirley
Temple's back in the day, and also

902
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:46.519
famous for being the Comic Cleanser spokesperson
in the sixties. She was interesting.

903
01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:51.320
We've mentioned her before and I don't
know what the episode was, but it's

904
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:55.960
because her second husband had been one
of the members of the Four Freshmen singing

905
01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:00.559
group and Heed He died in a
plane crash up Bass Lake in nineteen sixty

906
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.159
eight. And I don't know when
that came up, but it came up

907
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:07.159
in another one of our episodes,
and I don't remember it why it was.

908
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:14.159
She was She collected costumes before Debbie
Reynolds did. She had some really

909
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:17.679
iconic stuff. Maybe it was during
an obituary episode or something like that,

910
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:23.440
but maybe she She supposedly had warehouses, several warehouses full of movie memorabilia.

911
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:30.000
Yeah, exactly, And she sued
the airport up there that her that.

912
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:34.400
Yeah, she sued and got a
settlement when her husband was killed. His

913
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:37.480
husband, they were on a small
plane it with him and three other people.

914
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:40.639
It was a business trip. They
were scouting I think some real estate,

915
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:43.920
some land that they were thinking of
buying, so they were getting an

916
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:46.719
aerial view of it. And she
claimed that the airport there was a death

917
01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:52.679
trap and known to have to be
unsafe, and she sued them and years

918
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:55.960
later and supposedly got like two hundred
thousand dollars settlement, which would have been

919
01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.000
a lot at that, especially in
the early seventies when she did it.

920
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:03.599
Their mid seventies when the case went
through, Yal, I didn't know that.

921
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:08.360
That's fascinating. Another guy who had
a bit part in it, John

922
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:12.239
Mitcham, who was Robert Mitchum's brother, had a role in one episode as

923
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:16.880
the first workman. Oh interesting,
okay, And I think he did have

924
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:23.239
Robert Mitchum's look. You could definitely
tell they were brothers. And then a

925
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:28.239
very famous football player named Elroy Hirsch
whose nickname is Crazy Legs. He played

926
01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:32.039
for the Rams. He's a Hall
of Famer NFL receiver and he was their

927
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:38.119
general manager. Later on, he
had a short movie career. Some big,

928
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:41.280
you know, famous athletes back then, could you know, sometimes branched

929
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:45.199
out into acting, sometimes successfully,
sometimes not. He had a brief career

930
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:48.079
as an actor, and he was
he appeared as I think as himself.

931
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:53.360
He was that famous as a football
player, and he played himself in one

932
01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:58.599
of the episodes. So they had
a boxer. Max Rosenbloom showed up in

933
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:00.440
an episode. I think he was
a kar thief or something like that.

934
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:04.880
But Maxie, he went by the
nickname Slapsy Maxie, and he opened up

935
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:09.920
night clubs around l A, one
of them being in the new Beverly Cinema

936
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:13.119
what it is now, but that
used to be a really famous supper club

937
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:17.079
back in the day, owned by
Max Rosenbloom or Slapsy Maxie is what it

938
01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:21.559
was called. And that's Tarantino's Theater. So it's just a nod to We

939
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:26.519
got to get that in there somehow, something man related, of course.

940
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:30.519
Uh. But yeah, there was
a good Do you have any more on

941
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:35.880
your list? The the the the
the actors. Another one I wanted to

942
01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:42.480
mention was Louis Nye probably in my
opinion, the best episode of the Monsters,

943
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:45.400
because you know, the whole Monsters
thing kind of started. Of course,

944
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:48.280
there was the universal Monsters, and
then that kind of drifted away,

945
01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:55.519
and then the late night horror show
hosts started showing up and like vampiras,

946
01:05:55.719 --> 01:06:00.119
and it became you know, bringing
bringing them to the more youthful presence,

947
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:03.719
and that's one of the reasons they
they worked on the Monsters and the Adams

948
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:11.360
Family or got it rolling at that
point. And and Zombo was on the

949
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:15.599
show. The monster Zombo was a
character who was a horror host, and

950
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:18.960
Eddie was obsessed with him. And
there was this contester right in why I

951
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:25.280
love Zombo because and Eddie and Herman
would get very jealous of Zombo because Zombo

952
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:29.480
is this creature with fangs and you
know, messed up feet, our hands

953
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:31.920
and and you know, Eddie way
what Eddie wins, and he wins like

954
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:36.719
a television and a bicycle and all
this amazing stuff. And Herman's very jealous,

955
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:40.440
and he gets a guest stint.
Eddie gets to go on the Zombo

956
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:44.719
show. And he goes and it's
actually Louie and I the comic actor in

957
01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:47.039
a makeup chair with nothing on,
and you could hear the Zombo voice and

958
01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:53.199
Eddie's like, it's like he's like
just he's like really devastated that Zombo's not

959
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.400
real. And then when he gets
all his get up on and Eddie's on

960
01:06:56.440 --> 01:07:00.000
the show, Eddie just flips and
goes, Zomba's a fake and starts rip

961
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:03.400
off his wig on the It's a
It's an excellent episode. It's it's my

962
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:08.320
favorite. I think Zombo it was, Yeah, that was that was really

963
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:12.760
cool. It's like when Wryl Pharaoh
attacks the Santa Claus impersonator in Elf.

964
01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:15.880
There you are just like that,
he said, you smell like beef.

965
01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:24.280
Oh my god. And know and
it was one other thing that it was

966
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:28.239
important to the show. I mean, of course, the show had so

967
01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:31.719
many important aspecially the mood. The
music was spectacular. The theme song,

968
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:35.679
although they changed it, you know, season one and season two had two

969
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:42.480
different theme songs. Both were composed
by Jack Marshall was his name, and

970
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:45.719
they the sex the second season.
I guess they wanted to get like a

971
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:49.280
Dick Dale kind of a guitar thing
going on, and Jack Jack had Jack

972
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:53.280
Marshall I did that himself, but
he composed both of them, and I

973
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:56.840
guess members of the Wrecking crew performed
on that recording too. Oh wow,

974
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.559
a fantastic documentary. If you haven't
seen it, by the Wreckon doc is

975
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:04.159
really good. Yeah. There was
always kind of a surfy style, you

976
01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:10.639
know exactly. It was always that
kind of surfy style thing. You know,

977
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:13.159
which surf movies were big at that
point, of course, and the

978
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:15.559
Beach Boys were big at that point. Dick Dale was big at that point.

979
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:17.920
So yeah, makes sense why they
went away the same reason that Gilligan's

980
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:21.960
Island is set to kind of a
clipso theme because clipso music was in vogue

981
01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:27.560
at the time. Yeah, and
another one that they switched after the first

982
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:30.760
season, you know, with a
well they added the lyric different reasons,

983
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:34.520
different reasons, but both of the
themes on the Monsters we were spectacular.

984
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:38.800
I think, ex all pieces of
music. I don't know anything about the

985
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:41.000
creators. I don't know anything about
the writers. I'm glad you had all

986
01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:44.960
that stuff because I had nothing on
that. I always gravitate towards that side

987
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:46.880
too, because I'm a producer.
Yeah you do, and that always intrigues

988
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:50.840
me. Those guys' careers is always
so interesting to me. It completes the

989
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:58.000
story most definitely. So there's a
rumor that, well, I don't know

990
01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:01.760
if you can actually track it down
exactly, but they say the Monsters were

991
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:06.000
the first. Herman and Lidy were
the first sitcom couple to be in bed

992
01:09:06.039 --> 01:09:11.159
together. And they were in bed
together in one bed, you know,

993
01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:14.600
the Brady Bunch. Florence Henderson said
they were, But the Brady Bunch happened

994
01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:19.199
in nineteen sixty nine and Monsters proceeded
that considerably. And Steve in his book

995
01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:26.640
uncovered that when I Love Lucy was
on and they went on a road trip,

996
01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:32.119
Fred and Ethel were technically the first
people on camera to be in the

997
01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:36.960
same bed together. And as far
as sitcoms go, the first couple in

998
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:43.199
bed together, I guess for the
Flintstones, Willman and Fred Flintstone. They

999
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:46.279
showed him in bed together. So
it's kind of interesting. But the Bunsters

1000
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:53.760
totally poor kid children's eyes. Once
you think of the children they on on

1001
01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:56.600
Lucy, they couldn't even say well, they couldn't even say pregnant. We

1002
01:09:56.920 --> 01:10:01.479
touched on that one too in our
well. On the very first shot in

1003
01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:05.800
the entire series. In the first
episode is Marilyn Munster kissing her date on

1004
01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:10.239
the front porch and him kind of
getting handsy with her and trying to make

1005
01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:13.880
the moves. Marilyn Munster, that
was a play. You think that was

1006
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.920
a take on Marilyn Monroe. Oh, totally, totally. She just died

1007
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:21.920
prior to the show coming out.
Yeah, I mean not in personality,

1008
01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:25.600
as they said. It was a
Sander d kind of a you know,

1009
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:30.439
sweet girl character, but certainly,
yeah, a nod to Marilyn Monroe.

1010
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:34.680
I'm sure of that. I yeah, I don't know if that's written down,

1011
01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:38.760
but I have no doubt in my
mind. I was just at last

1012
01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:42.359
weekend, I went and did brunch
at the Hotel bel Air for the first

1013
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:46.199
time, which of course has several
famous connections to Marilyn Monroe. She lived

1014
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:48.399
there off and on, so I
think a couple of times. And then

1015
01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:53.479
her last photo shoot a few weeks
six weeks before she died, was at

1016
01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.760
the Hotel bell Air as well.
There's a famous picture of her standing next

1017
01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:01.399
to the pool diving board there during
the photo shoot. It was for Vogue

1018
01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:05.880
magazine, I think, and she
died six weeks later, so, and

1019
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:11.239
you know, not too far away
from where she lived at the interview down

1020
01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:15.840
the street, almost probably about two
miles away. Yeah, yeah, beautiful

1021
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:19.239
place. Spell their hotel has spen
once only when it was renovating it for

1022
01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:23.600
like two years. And yeah,
I wish I could have seen it before,

1023
01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:26.520
because I did hear from someone I
was there with. She had been

1024
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:29.359
there a bunch of times over the
years going back, and she said that

1025
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:33.000
it wasn't as charming as it used
to be before they renovate, which happened

1026
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:36.960
so often with these places. It
wasn't as warm, I think, as

1027
01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:41.920
it used to be warm feeling,
but it's still really nice. I love

1028
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:45.399
it. It's great there. Yeah, it's beautiful grounds. It is beautiful.

1029
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:48.479
It is beautiful quiet. So it
got to the to the end of

1030
01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:51.760
it, so that the Monsters did
their reunion in nineteen eighty one, and

1031
01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:57.640
I don't believe butch Or Maryland,
butch Or pat Priests were even invited back

1032
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:02.239
because they, you know, the
other monsters well and Yvonne and Fred did

1033
01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:08.479
it. And this is you know
what thirty twenty years twenty nineteen seventeen years

1034
01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:13.119
after they quit the series, I
guess, and so they got older,

1035
01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:17.439
but Eddie and Maryland couldn't be older, so they hired young people to do

1036
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:20.239
that. Oh that makes sense.
Yeah, well, also they're not covered

1037
01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.840
in makeup, well, Eddie is, but Eddie has to be a kid

1038
01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:28.239
still. You can't make a hand
look like a kid, and you know,

1039
01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:30.199
the Maryland character is going to look
like however she looks. They can't

1040
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:32.880
cover up in monster makeup to hide
the age. So yeah, I guess

1041
01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:35.920
that makes sense. And Eddie was
just like a normal kid, except he

1042
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:41.760
looked funny. But he never had
any any you know, there were hardly

1043
01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:45.239
any other any gags about him being
a werewolf, you know they, yeah,

1044
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:47.399
there was. It's always about the
silly things that the family did.

1045
01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:55.880
And so I was looking at the
reasons that they canceled the show, and

1046
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.960
they said that the CBS programming had
said it just he thinks it just wore

1047
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:05.000
itself out. At two years at
the seven thirty time slot is a lifetime

1048
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:11.840
for a program, and just like
seven thirty, who watches TV at seven

1049
01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:15.720
thirty anymore? You know, it's
such a different such a different time.

1050
01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:18.720
And when they when hit shows were
on Saturday nights, you know, which

1051
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:24.199
is like unheard of anymore, you
know, they hardly have any like real

1052
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:27.840
shows. And also at seventy episodes
they did in two years, how many

1053
01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:31.479
more gags can you come up with
and storylines to fit this? And it's

1054
01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:35.199
They've tried to reboot it multiple times
over the past couple decades. I think

1055
01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:39.920
Seth Myers tried to reboot it,
and some other people have tried to bring

1056
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:43.399
it back, and they just they
keep failing to make this, to make

1057
01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:46.479
the series work for modern audiences,
like what do you do? How do

1058
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:50.479
you what tone do you strike with
it? That would work with that would

1059
01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:56.399
work now? I don't know.
Rob Zombie didn't find it. I didn't

1060
01:13:56.439 --> 01:13:59.760
watch his Monsters movie. The trailer
did not look great. I'm sorry to

1061
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:03.640
say. It was so awful and
I and I was looking forward to it

1062
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:08.239
because they sunk a lot of money
into it and they recreated the house and

1063
01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:13.479
they did clear the trailer. Honestly, the trailer made it look a lot

1064
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:17.239
like like an SNL sketch like quality
okay production, which I remember them again,

1065
01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:20.800
they're trying to go for that original
campy look. I get that's supposed

1066
01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:25.279
to look that way, but still
yeah, yeah, no, that was

1067
01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:30.319
painful, really really really painful.
And the other the quote I found it

1068
01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:34.760
about the producer Joe Connolly. I
don't know. He always said, you

1069
01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:38.319
know, kind of nice things about
it, but then he said at the

1070
01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:41.640
end of the show that the actors
were pain in the ass. This is

1071
01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:45.800
a quote. Fred and al objected
to anything. Fred hated the makeup and

1072
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:47.680
caused a lot of trouble about it
on the set. We could not stand

1073
01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:50.920
Fred Gwynn. We were happy with
what we had done, but we had

1074
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:55.960
just had it, huh see.
And then I've heard other people, other

1075
01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:59.039
actors they were on it say it
was a happy experience and fond memories and

1076
01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:02.159
people had a good time on set
and offsets. So I guess it depends

1077
01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:05.520
on who you are and who you
had to deal with exactly. I'm sure

1078
01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:11.760
that's what it is. I'm sure
that's what it is. And there's one

1079
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:15.640
other fun fact. I did watch
this the other night in nineteen. In

1080
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:19.399
two thousand and eight, they released
a black and white porn film called This

1081
01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:24.880
Ain't the Monsters Triple X. Oh
no, I did watch this the other

1082
01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:30.560
day. Lily and Herman celebrating their
anniversary with a session in the cemetery,

1083
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:33.640
Eddie finally gets a chance to howl
with pleasure after having a run in with

1084
01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:39.319
two smoking hot girls, and cousin
Marilyn will live out her fantasies in the

1085
01:15:39.319 --> 01:15:42.720
spooky mansion. But wait till you
see what Grandpa has in store for you.

1086
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:49.319
He's conjuring up plenty of plenty of
treats in his laboratory. It's terrible,

1087
01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:53.000
of course, as you'd expect it
to be. But they did work

1088
01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:56.039
on it, you know, they
did make cool sets. It wasn't quite

1089
01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:59.560
you know, it wasn't up to
the standards, of course. Was it

1090
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:04.720
better than the rob Zombie Monsters movie? Well, yes, because there was

1091
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:12.880
something to look at. Oh,
it was so that agony, it was

1092
01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:15.359
so and you know what, the
show needs a laugh track, you know,

1093
01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:17.880
That's what I meant. We watched
Munster Go Home the other day.

1094
01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:21.680
Munster Go Home was a full length
movie. That's when it had John John

1095
01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:26.560
Carrody played the butler. Hermione Gingle. They got this wacky old you know,

1096
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:30.960
she used to be on Bewitch to
this British actress and Terry Thomas was

1097
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:34.199
was the main lead aside from the
cast of the monsters, no laugh track?

1098
01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:40.479
And although I liked the movie Monster
Go Home, you need that.

1099
01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:47.600
You just needed that because just fall
flat and they do. Yeah, but

1100
01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:53.239
the Rob Zombie one man? That
was that was agony? Was there a

1101
01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:57.479
the Rob Zombie one? No?
No, I don't think so. At

1102
01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:02.479
least it wasn't in my head.
It was so unfunny. You blocked out

1103
01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:06.239
the laugh track, is what happened? Yeah, I look. My thing

1104
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:10.640
is as if Look, it's debatable, but if you're going to recreate something

1105
01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:15.279
faithfully like that, why not go
all the way and add the laugh track?

1106
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:18.800
I would say, I would say, especially in the porn version,

1107
01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:30.479
there you go, there you are, and there you are. I'm going

1108
01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:34.119
to reserve all the jokes that just
hit my brain just now for it.

1109
01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:38.720
You can watch it for free.
I found it just just type in.

1110
01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:41.119
Of course you're watching it for free. It's porn on the internet. Who

1111
01:17:41.119 --> 01:17:45.640
pays for that? This ain't the
Monster's Triple X? Look it up?

1112
01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:53.520
All right? And with that,
Oh god, I have there's too many

1113
01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:56.000
jokes in my head right now.
I have to stop. All right,

1114
01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:59.479
Well, guys, Happy Halloween.
Oh one more thing, one more thing.

1115
01:17:59.520 --> 01:18:01.119
Did you see that thing? I
posted on Facebook the other day where

1116
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:05.960
it was like the first or second
episode where Herman Munster takes a fall,

1117
01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:10.800
Yeah, tolf of his wig kind
of fell off. It just like popped

1118
01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:13.039
up like that was really wild.
It was like it kind of made me

1119
01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:15.600
a little bit sick because it was
kind of gross to think his head opened

1120
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:18.640
up like it was scalped for a
second. Yeah, now that was that

1121
01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:21.199
was a That was a neat little
because I guess they had a problem with

1122
01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:25.520
the lights in his makeup and the
glue and all that kind of anyway,

1123
01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:28.800
if like that, I love a
little goose like Thattter when they throw a

1124
01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:31.039
character against the wall and the wall
moves because it's a fake wall and look

1125
01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:34.680
stuff like that. Yeah, that's
really funny. There were one of the

1126
01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:38.239
Terminator movies, one of the not
great ones, one of the later ones

1127
01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:40.720
after T two. I remember there's
a scene where they get thrown against the

1128
01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:44.359
brick wall and you could see the
wall give oh when they hit It was

1129
01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:46.279
like, oh, how did that
make it in? Yeah, he was

1130
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:51.399
a different angle, right, But
that house with the house was just insane.

1131
01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:56.960
That was such an amazing set to
watch that house. That smoke coming

1132
01:18:56.960 --> 01:19:00.680
out of the chimney that was.
That was an awesome, awesome set.

1133
01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:03.439
They did such an amazing job with
that. Yeah, all right, well,

1134
01:19:03.479 --> 01:19:10.079
happy Halloween everybody, sincerely, thanks
for joining us. Enjoy. If

1135
01:19:10.119 --> 01:19:13.199
you're dressing up, have fun.
I'm dressing up as Karme from The Bear,

1136
01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:15.319
Who's interesting on Basic as a chef. It's the easiest one I could

1137
01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:19.520
dress up as because all I did
do is buy a wig. Who is

1138
01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:25.039
it? Have you watched The Bear? The Bear's fantastic. It's kind of

1139
01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:30.199
a dramedy. It's about a chef
in Chicago and it's the actor Jeremy Allen

1140
01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:35.960
White I think his name is from
He's most famous from Shameless, I believe,

1141
01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:41.359
Okay, And yeah, they just
finished their second season and it's really

1142
01:19:41.399 --> 01:19:45.079
good. I really like it.
It's intense and funny and dramatic and yeah,

1143
01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:48.119
it's really really well. It's a
really well made show. The Bear

1144
01:19:50.039 --> 01:19:54.840
pop culture thing. It's just dressed
up as him as a chef. It's

1145
01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:59.039
just a chef's costume. Basically.
I kind of have to have watched the

1146
01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:00.720
show to get it out of the
way. It's like, oh, why

1147
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:04.920
are you wearing an apron? But
it could be Gordon Ramsey. That's true.

1148
01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:08.640
I could be anybody that they want, anybody. They could just yell

1149
01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:13.399
out of chef's name and yeah,
yeah, you got it, you nailed

1150
01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:16.760
it. That's me. Well I'm
going I'm going as Zoltar. Of course

1151
01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:21.359
your shoulder as always, yes,
and I have the whole costume. I

1152
01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:27.600
won't be wearing any dark makeup because
that wouldn't be right. But I've got

1153
01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.560
the whole costume. And I even
found a box now, so amazing about

1154
01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:33.039
that. I love costumes like that
because you can store them and bust them

1155
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:35.279
out later and without. If you
have, like a you need a last

1156
01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:38.399
minute costume, there's one ready for
you. You know. I had a

1157
01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:42.520
Caveman costume forever that I could just
throw on in two minutes if I needed

1158
01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:45.000
to, you know, last minute, get invited somewhere, and I didn't

1159
01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:47.640
plan on it. So it's nice
to show those costumes. I did when

1160
01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:51.479
my friend Brian and I went as
the Lobbyankas. Oh god, no,

1161
01:20:55.800 --> 01:21:00.439
I can't these are these are these? Can never know? I shouldn't never

1162
01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:05.680
see the internet. But yeah,
believe that to everyone's imagination, because what

1163
01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:10.359
you're imagining is probably even more terrible
than what it actually was, which was

1164
01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:15.239
not great. Probably, we know
they were really good costumes. They were

1165
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:17.640
really good. God, that's what
I'm afraid of is that they were very

1166
01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:26.720
faithful. Yeah, the other people
at the party were kind of like but

1167
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:31.039
it worked. And with that,
we'll see you on the next show.

1168
01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:34.439
Happy Halloween, and we'll have to
come up with a Thanksgiving Day one.

1169
01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:40.000
Yeah, we'll to figure it out. We are going to do a Carpenter's

1170
01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:43.399
one one of these days. That's
happening. Yeah, yeah, I'm going

1171
01:21:43.479 --> 01:21:45.640
to do one. Because somebody wanted
us to do a Mash one too.

1172
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:50.840
Did we ever do that? We? I think we did. There was

1173
01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:55.199
that one where I thought we did
and we didn't. Hold on. Maybe,

1174
01:21:55.640 --> 01:21:59.960
how have we not done a Mash
episode because I hate that show?

1175
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:02.880
Probably? Yeah? Oh I loved
that show growing up. It was on

1176
01:22:02.920 --> 01:22:05.199
a lot. My mom and my
grandpa had it on all the time.

1177
01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:09.720
Wow, I am shocked that we
haven't done a Mash episode. Why did

1178
01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:13.399
I think we'd done one? I
don't know. We've talked about it enough

1179
01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:15.479
times, I think. Yeah.
Also, someone wanted us to do Hogan's

1180
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:20.359
Heroes, and you said you hated
that show as well right, yeah,

1181
01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:25.159
yeah, well, you know it
has a lot to do with being a

1182
01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:30.720
little homo, and the female presence
is almost there's no female presence in it,

1183
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:33.279
yeah, because it's a World War
two very very minor, and that's

1184
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:36.720
something that you know, there's no
strong female characters in that. And that's

1185
01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:40.640
a gay thing. I can't explain
it, but I've noticed that about a

1186
01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:45.560
lot of people, like gay people, they really don't gravitate towards shows that

1187
01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:49.239
don't have a large female presence.
That makes sense, I guess that's interesting.

1188
01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:57.479
Yeah, and well Mash had good
female presence hardly though. Yeah,

1189
01:22:57.640 --> 01:23:00.199
Hula Ham was a bit of a
ballbuster. Yeah, but I mean she

1190
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:04.920
was still you know, had so
she was one character of an ensemble of

1191
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:12.199
you know, right, and you
know that was there was was it Margaret

1192
01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:15.760
Show? Once said the comedian Margaret
Show was on stage Because when I was

1193
01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:17.920
a kid, I knew that one
day I could grow up and be an

1194
01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:27.039
extra on Mash. Right, right, who's a Korean comic. She's a

1195
01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:30.279
comic with Korean descent, And it's
just a frinny joke. I thought,

1196
01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:36.079
Yeah, all right, guys,
happy Halloween and exciting and we're happy to

1197
01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:40.079
be doing the show on the regular
and we will talk to you guys on

1198
01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:46.680
the next one. Thanks for joining. This has been an episode of the

1199
01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:55.680
Dearly Departed podcast. Dig up more
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1200
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