WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:06.280 The o'chiley effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and listeners like You 2 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:16.160 Now and Now at Night and Ommedia Check October five, twenty twenty three. 3 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:19.640 Allegedly, according to that thing we call a calendar, this is the o'celly 4 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:23.719 effect. And guess what you found it. So, whether you're hearing us 5 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:27.879 live on the stream or by your final slab of choice, your applicable application, 6 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:32.159 your podcast, as you're welcome to it. It is Thursday as I 7 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:36.119 speak, but God knows when and where and what time of day it might 8 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:41.520 be for you. Uh, either way, welcome. So it is Thursday, 9 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:44.560 and I was going to have Mike Swanson on, but then it turns 10 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:48.600 out he is not going to be with me tonight, No problem at all. 11 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:54.079 That means I get one hour earlier with Larry Hancock. Okay, Larry 12 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:57.079 is an excellent author of many books. Not going to list him here because 13 00:00:57.079 --> 00:00:59.399 I'm only going to try and keep Larry for an hour, and it would 14 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:02.000 take me a little while to list and describe all of his books. But 15 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:06.359 I assure you they are all good, and they're all sitting on my bookshelf. 16 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:11.799 Okay, they take up more space than any other author on my bookshelf 17 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:18.840 and definitely do. I had a recent visitor to my home and cool guy 18 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:23.799 listened to the network for some years now and been an active participant. We 19 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:27.359 call him Creative Accidents. We'll leave it at that. That's his handle on 20 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:30.200 Twitter, that's his handle in the chat room, et cetera, et cetera. 21 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.400 And he wanted to stop by and just you know, shake hands and 22 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:36.400 meet me. So I said, yeah, sure, do it. You're 23 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:41.120 in making Georgia come on by anyway. Often when I meet with people, 24 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:47.120 I have this crazy habit of giving out books. I will often gift somebody 25 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:51.319 with a book. I love it when somebody's interested in an educational topic that 26 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:57.239 I happen to have some written work related to, especially good written works. 27 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:00.439 I have given away bad books in the past two to say, look, 28 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:02.519 you want to read a bad book, here you go. Always good to 29 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:06.719 educate people about bad books. But this has nothing to do with what I'm 30 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:10.719 talking about. Because this person specifically started asking me about certain books on the 31 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:20.080 Kennedy case and then other books on other issues historical and otherwise. And he 32 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:23.080 wanted one of Larry's books. And I said, oh great, you know 33 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:25.360 what I have different copies of all kinds of stuff. And indeed, see 34 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:28.879 look on my shelf. I always say, Larry takes up more space. 35 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:31.159 There it is. There's his space on my bookshelf. Because I only have 36 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:36.120 a small bookshelf nowadays. Anyways, look at the space on it, and 37 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:39.280 yeah, there's all Larry's books. And he, for very personal reasons, 38 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:43.879 wanted to see Creating Chaos. And I took it out, showed it to 39 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:46.479 him, and he said, can I have this book? I couldn't give 40 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:49.960 it to him. I gave him other books. I gave him like four 41 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:55.639 other books, okay, and one of them was Walt Brown's Judith very Baker 42 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.240 book, which I've given out many times. And I've given out lots of 43 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:02.199 Larry's books many times, nexus I think the most six or seven of them. 44 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:07.639 But couldn't give him Creating Chaos because Larry had personally inscribed that one to 45 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:12.319 me and I wanted to keep that. I'm gonna keep that. Felt bad. 46 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.560 But before he even left, before the conversation was over, he ordered 47 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:20.560 one online for himself anyway, so I know he's gonna get it. He 48 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:24.159 had to get it, and it is an essential book. But Creating Chaos, 49 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:28.960 Surprise Attack, Shadow Warfare, some of them co authored, some of 50 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.039 them authored by Larry Hancock. Quite often, as we found out on the 51 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:38.479 show, maybe Missus Hancock gives him ideas about how to title the books sometimes. 52 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:44.919 Anyway, that's something we learned, but we learn a lot every time 53 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.159 Larry Hancock is on, and I'm so glad he's with us tonight. And 54 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:51.599 what are we going to talk about? Oh shocker, We're gonna talk about 55 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:54.840 the Lancer conference coming up, which you guys have been hearing about, and 56 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:59.639 I am doing shows on and I will do more of them. But since 57 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.400 Larry and I will both be in Dallas that weekend, both at the conference, 58 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:06.520 you know, great again to see you there, Larry. I'm gonna 59 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:11.439 be really happy because I haven't seen you in about six years face to face, 60 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:15.560 twenty seventeen. It's really great, and I'm so happy to have you 61 00:04:15.600 --> 00:04:18.800 here as often as I do. I'm really lucky and I really want to 62 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:23.480 thank you for that. But that's that's what tonight's topic is, folks. 63 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:27.399 Anyway, Creating Chaos has nothing to do with the Kennedy assassination, although I 64 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:31.040 did also personally ask Larry if you would sign my copy of someone would have 65 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:38.560 talked because I have an old, beat up one that I just I just 66 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:42.680 want Larry to sign. So I'm going to get another little inscription on a 67 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:46.160 book, and that'll be another one that I can't give away. Larry. 68 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.560 Sorry, I can't give away your books all the time. But more than 69 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:54.439 happy to get you another sale, more than happy to tell people go buy 70 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:58.319 your stuff. You know, in denial, I advertise that book constantly. 71 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:01.480 I support endorse all your work and really happy to have you with us, 72 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:08.480 and more than please to discuss the JFK conference, but the case in general 73 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:12.160 everything. How you doing tonight, sir, I'm doing fine, Chuck. 74 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:15.480 And I have the same problems too. I used to have a stash of 75 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.040 different books and somebody would write me and say, how can I get an 76 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:21.040 autograph copy? And it's like, well, that's fine, I'll do that 77 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:25.920 and mail it to you. But now I'm down to the point where I'm 78 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:29.199 not sure that I have duplicates of anything. It's like, well, you 79 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:30.439 know, if you really want it, you're gonna have to order it off 80 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.040 Amazon. You're gonna have to mail it to me, you know. It's 81 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:39.600 like, but that's the way it is. The time Lancer was selling, 82 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:43.879 I would autograph copies for them and you could buy it from Lancer Direct and 83 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:46.560 then you could get on an autograph copy. But that's right. You know, 84 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:50.480 we've been doing this for a long time. This is the sixtieth anniversary. 85 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:56.600 The conferences have been going on for a couple of decades now, and 86 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:00.560 I guess we're kind of using up our reserves. Well there's that. Plus, 87 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.519 you know what if you go to the Lancer conference, okay, which 88 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:08.160 is in November, and we're going to give you the date exact here before 89 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:10.879 we're done, I'm sure more than once. But if you go there, 90 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:13.879 Larry, you'll be more than happy to sign a copy of a book. 91 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:17.560 I'm sure you'd be more than happy to meet and greet people who have read 92 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:23.839 your stuff in person. So there's an opportunity for people to get that if 93 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:26.680 that's what they want. But yeah, it's become strange. I used to 94 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:28.560 you know, look, let me get honest here. I mean a lot 95 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:30.199 of times I went to library sales and stuff like that, and I used 96 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:34.399 to just when I would show up at gatherings of any kind, even the 97 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:39.600 weird impromptu things at Walt Brown's House, which I talked about just this past 98 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:43.560 week on the show where you know, the weekend of the assassination. What 99 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:46.600 would just say to people who were subscribed to Deep Politics quarterly. You know, 100 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:48.600 if you're in New Jersey, you want to come see me, Come 101 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:53.759 on and see us November, you know, Dallas in New Jersey or what 102 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.920 I forget what he called it, but it was like, right, you 103 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:59.680 know, come and see us and sit down. And I would show up 104 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:03.319 there with a box full of my you know, used gifts. You know. 105 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:06.600 People would buy me a gift a new book. Hey, you got 106 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:09.879 this new JFK book. I bought it for you, Thank you, thank 107 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:12.800 you. I've got two of them at home already, you know. And 108 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:15.600 and I would do that or go to the library sales or flea markets and 109 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:17.879 I would pick up all kinds of books. And I would show up at 110 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:23.040 a place like Walts House and just say, hey, is anybody you know 111 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:25.480 in need of any of these books? You didn't get them yet? I 112 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:30.079 got some here, you can have them. I used to love to do 113 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.600 that. And some people would give me one of their books that they wrote, 114 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:34.720 or some people would give me, Hey, I happen to have two 115 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:40.079 copies of this. I used to love trading a bit. I know most 116 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:43.560 most young people, uh, baseball cards, right, but no, not 117 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:48.600 me. Books. So and I did play with baseball cards too for a 118 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:51.920 little bit. But the thing is, I thought that that was a great 119 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:57.800 way to just sort of share information and to collectively, you know, educate 120 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.720 people about what was going on in the literature, advances, et cetera, 121 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:07.120 about the subject I cared about. But anyway, that's why I'm really pleased 122 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:11.399 to participate in this again this year. I've done it virtually a couple of 123 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.120 times, you know, and and look, it's a good thing that we 124 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:18.279 still do this. I found the interesting comments you made to me in a 125 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:20.639 text earlier today. I don't know if you want to talk about it, 126 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:28.000 but about the sort of you know, idea that there's this almost a community, 127 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:33.000 you know, minus some of the perks that might come along with a 128 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:39.200 real little club sort of right, you know, that comes together weirdly, 129 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.159 and and and there's sub you know, sub communities, like subcultures of the 130 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:50.799 culture of this this really interesting little niche that has been working now for decades 131 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:56.000 one way or another in search of what right, the the historical reality, 132 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.960 the truth of a situation that we were not satisfied with the government's explanation, 133 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.120 and effectively to begin with. It's turned into a lot of other things now, 134 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.279 but I mean that's what it was to start with, a bunch of 135 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.240 people that sort of knew each other. At one point, Warren commissioned critics 136 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:15.720 so to speak, before you or I ever started on it. And then 137 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:20.480 nowadays it's evolved into this and interesting, We're going to have a super young 138 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:22.639 speaker, I think the youngest speaker I've ever heard of at one of these 139 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.279 conferences this year, so I can't wait to get into that. But anyway, 140 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.720 enough out of me, Larry, if you want to talk about this, 141 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.120 you know, the community, the idea of or the sort of collected 142 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:39.600 culture or click if you will, of it all, which you know, 143 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:41.679 for the most part, I was parts of little sub clicks here and there, 144 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:45.440 but never really part of the major thing. I ever felt that way. 145 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:50.759 I always felt like an outsider. But definitely I'm participating this year in 146 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.159 a way because I'm going to be like in front of everybody's presentation, not 147 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.039 talking this much, trying to give quick and concise introductions to to the very 148 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:05.360 valuable speakers. And it's really a good list this year. So you know 149 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.559 where you want to go from here, Larry, I turned it over to 150 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.080 you. Well, yeah, I think something to consider and it is a 151 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:16.039 good list. We there are more presenters scheduled this year than ever before. 152 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:22.480 And one of the things that makes that possible, I will say, when 153 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.879 I first started doing conferences in Dallas back in the early nineties, mid nineties, 154 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.000 you know, it was all in person. Every speaker was there. 155 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.399 If a speaker couldn't make it, you know, you didn't have them on 156 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:39.440 the roster. And of course the absolute, the absolute panic would be when 157 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.679 you you know, we're looking for the next speaker. I can remember calling 158 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:46.480 the hotel desk and going, well, you know, are they have they 159 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.120 even checked in and being told, well, no, they haven't checked in, 160 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:58.639 like oh, panic and having to to redo the agenda constantly, you 161 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:05.200 know, reshuffle and schedule. And these days it's our presenters are in person 162 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:09.559 and they are virtual, which actually gives us a lot more leeway. We 163 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:16.480 can have a lot more people involved than we would have otherwise because travel is 164 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:22.120 in a mandatory requirement. So that's changed the nature of the game also, 165 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:30.759 And I think the other thing that's changed it is the information becomes available for 166 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:35.440 long term access. Now when you sign up for the conference, you have 167 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:43.039 options. If you're not able to listen in person or even remotely to a 168 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.360 particular session, it will be archived and you can go back and listen to 169 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.039 it for a couple of months, or if you pay another fee, you 170 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:54.799 can get it like forever. And that removes one of the big factors because 171 00:11:54.840 --> 00:12:01.000 one of the one of the challenges always was you'd listen to some one's presentation, 172 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:05.600 you'd get really excited about what they said, you may be read their 173 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:09.480 book, whatever, and then you would corner them in the hallway afterwards after 174 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.919 their presentation, when they're coming out and actually probably don't want to talk to 175 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.720 anybody, and you drag them over and start a conversation, and before you 176 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:22.440 realized that you'd miss the next presentation. Okay, So the good news about 177 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:28.279 the whole thing is the content is much more accessible than it was in the 178 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.279 old days. You can be there in person or remotely. So conferences have 179 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:39.360 really changed in that regard over the year. And I think, well, 180 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:48.000 we'll actually be talking on one of the presentations that I'm involved in with Rex 181 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:54.000 Bradford and Stu Wexler's will be talking about how access to information, primarily access 182 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:58.039 to documents and resources has changed so much, so dramatically over the years. 183 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:05.320 I can remember or a conference oh ages ago where we had a ground breaking 184 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:13.240 presentation. Rex Badford got up and presented on the HTML coding language and the 185 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:18.960 concept of PDFs where you could actually take documents, hang them on a site 186 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:24.240 that somebody could access and read them there. And we were just not that 187 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.559 it had ever been done. But you know, some of the things that 188 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:33.159 we take for granted was you know in those days. The other thing that 189 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:41.919 happened is you took documents to the conference. I can remember taking taking making 190 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:48.360 copies of oh like two hundred pages of documents and taking them down to Dallas 191 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:52.799 and Deborah Conway would you know, copy them, buying them in a little 192 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:58.919 booklet and pass them out or make them available. So are access to information 193 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:03.799 is dramatically and it's reflected in the conference. I think it makes the conferences. 194 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.559 It certainly adds more flexibility, but were people attending the conference? True? 195 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:13.440 But I do miss the days of the you know, of getting a 196 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.039 hold of those things even afterwards, those would become the souvenirs afterwards too. 197 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.960 You know, if you were at a conference, not just the program, 198 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.759 but you had here's the sheets from this presentation and that, and people would 199 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.600 share those things afterwards. I mean there's an appreciable thing to that too. 200 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.320 Of course, the pain in the neck of trying to get a hold of 201 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:37.720 all the VHS copies of the presentations, okay, another problem. Okay, 202 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:43.679 then later DVD is still another problem, and knowing which ones were which, 203 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:46.679 and oh please, you know, and and I talked to Rex on this 204 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:54.679 show about the process of beginning to scan Mary ferrell stuff, right, okay, 205 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:58.440 you know, just getting that work really rolling. The the Mary Farrell 206 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:03.840 Foundation website exists today, but you know, there was a time when that 207 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:09.039 wasn't there. And you know, there was just this stuff that Mary herself 208 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.200 had, and then there was many collections other people had, and you know, 209 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.960 you could maybe write to somebody and ask him, hey, can I 210 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.120 pay you to copy these things or whatever, you know, and et cetera, 211 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.240 et cetera. I mean, we exchanged a lot of paper back in 212 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.080 those days. I mean, it's just in a way that's kind of taken 213 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.960 a little of the fun out of it, or maybe some of the mystery. 214 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.559 I can I can remember a period of time where all of us referred 215 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:39.320 to Malcolm Blunt as Malcolm the Spy, because Malcolm is a British researcher and 216 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:46.440 probably spent more time in the American National Archives than anyone else in the universe. 217 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:50.720 And you'd show and he was very you know, he's a very quiet 218 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.440 person, very you know, and you'd show up at a conference and if 219 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.840 you got to know him, he would, you know, he would gesture 220 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.840 to you, and like I said, he'd be behind up plant or over 221 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.000 in a corner and you go over and Malcolm would go here, and he 222 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.919 pull out of his his jacket pocket, you know, some documents like okay, 223 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:12.039 this is like spy versus spy stuff, and you go and this is 224 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:17.279 really exciting, you know, and that that that did add a certain flavor, 225 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:19.120 Chuck as you're saying to it, that you know, that's got a 226 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:23.559 different flavor than logging into Mary Ferrell and you know, downloading the p a 227 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:29.720 pdf. You know. So and now, of course Malcolm's all of Malcolm's 228 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:34.879 hundreds of thousands of pages of documents have been put online by part Camp and 229 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:41.639 which is great, but it's a it's it's certain, there are certain elements 230 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.960 of mystery. And you know, I can remember being online with compu Serve 231 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:49.759 back in the early days with the Con't You Serve Forum, and and people 232 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.399 would be nervous about going to the conference in Dallas, like, well, 233 00:16:53.679 --> 00:17:00.240 well somebody be watching us, you know, somebody followed me from the airport. 234 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.880 We know, we're not supposed to know the stuff that the government knows, 235 00:17:03.920 --> 00:17:08.720 so should we be nervous? And then I remember in one early conference 236 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:14.359 getting to the conference room and Deborah Conway wasn't there, and she was supposed 237 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:18.839 to open a session, and finally she comes in and Deborah goes, well 238 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:22.440 the elevator just fell four floors and we all went, oh gosh, all 239 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.880 right, you know, and then there was a bomb thread. You know, 240 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.680 Okay, so we don't we don't have that sort of stuff anymore. 241 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:33.680 I guess that's good, but it has lost a little flavor. Well yeah, 242 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:34.839 I mean, and there was also the days of getting you know, 243 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:41.559 the next Chain letter together, you know, Vince Solandria's group. Somebody staples 244 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.240 a new page to it and makes another turn through, and you know you 245 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:51.319 anxiously await that to show up in your mailbox. Right, there's that too, 246 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:56.519 and even cassette tapes that we mailed to each other of different things. 247 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:59.920 Look, I got this, I got this piece of that. Somebody recorded 248 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.240 a television program on a cassette, so on and so forth. You never 249 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:08.079 knew what you might get depending on what circle of friends you had at any 250 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:12.079 given time. But I was certainly in the again, you know, from 251 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:15.839 New Jersey and part of like the New York contingent at one point. It 252 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.960 was it was really interesting, you know, the kind of stuff that we 253 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:23.680 exchanged, and and I knew some of the most profoundly paranoid people in the 254 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:26.319 world. So believe me, there's lots of this. You know, this 255 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:30.200 is coming up. People are watching us, and it's not like that anymore. 256 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.279 Now we know they are watching us everywhere we go. The NSA's got 257 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.640 it all anyway, so you know, nobody's nervous about it, because what 258 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:44.160 are you gonna do? They're watching everyone, So you know, I guess, 259 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:45.680 I guess we just had to get over that. But I think the 260 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:52.519 other thing, and another aspect of being there in person is the fact that, 261 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:57.559 as you said, social networks did develop, right, you met people 262 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:03.599 that you know, you could have more in depth exchanges with. And actually 263 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:10.640 I know several teams essentially that were formed that way, Guys that would work 264 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:15.839 together, people that would work together for years after meeting in a conference and 265 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:21.000 would work with each other during the year. And there were books written and 266 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:26.799 work done that really came from the formation of those of those social networks. 267 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.960 And that's that's hard to do with just messaging on Facebook or through a form 268 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:37.799 or whatever. You can chat a little bit, but nothing beats that kind 269 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.440 of connection at the conference. So this year I will say that we're fortunate 270 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.559 this year and kind of looking through the list of the presenters, most of 271 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.960 the presenters are in person, which is great considering the trouble we faced in 272 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:56.559 recent years. And I just presented to a conference at Canterbury in England to 273 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.799 day Plaza UK group, and virtually all of their attendees were still remote I 274 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.839 think there were. When I went over there in person several years ago, 275 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:11.319 there were probably fifty people in the room and all the speakers were in person, 276 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:17.119 and this year there were probably you know, twenty people in the room 277 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.480 twice that many setting in remotely, and I think they only had two in 278 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:30.079 person speakers. So we feel happy to have as many in person speakers as 279 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:33.839 we do in Dallas. Obviously, it's the sixtieth anniversary. I've got to 280 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:37.079 say I would not be going back most likely if it were not the sixtieth 281 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:42.640 anniversary at my age and everything else. So the six sixtieth has been a 282 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:48.319 real seminal date and I think is going to make for an excellent attendance. 283 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.279 And that has something to do with it. Certainly it did for the fiftieth, 284 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.400 right, and the evolution of all this, by the way, is 285 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:59.119 something that should be recognized considering that, I mean, the sixtieth looks a 286 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:03.480 hell of a lot than it did at the thirtieth, for sure, than 287 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.279 it did at the fortieth. I mean, the remarkable stuff that went on 288 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:11.519 around the fortieth anniversary. And again I'm hoping actually to have some of those 289 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:15.720 teams come together once again. I'm hoping to see that kind of thing happen, 290 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:19.440 because so far I'm getting signals that there is going to be a significant 291 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:25.519 contingent of people in person. I'm really happy about that. I'm going to 292 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:27.240 be one of them, and I'm going to be bringing lots of lots of 293 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:33.960 little merch stuff that I'm hoping to give away for people that support the network, 294 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.160 and you know, they come and kick something in and help me get 295 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.039 back home, you know, help me with the gas money on the way 296 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:42.319 home. I mean, I've got I've got a couple of presents for you, 297 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:45.440 Larry, by the way, just so you know, they're already put 298 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.160 aside, and I'm not looking for a donation from you, but you know, 299 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.359 but as for everybody else, I mean, I'm hoping that we're going 300 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:56.160 to be able to spread the word and spread our ideas and really actually cross 301 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.599 pollinate with one another and maybe, you know, accomplish some new things because 302 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:04.119 unfortunately, even though there was a bit of a different flavor and there was 303 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:10.160 something else to the older way, we have the tools. Now, we 304 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:15.720 have the multiplication of force, We have the force multipliers to really accomplish a 305 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.759 great deal more. I mean, the idea that you can work with someone 306 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:25.400 on another continent, you know, almost in real time or in real time 307 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:30.920 depending on your circumstances, right, is quite remarkable and could accomplish a great 308 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:36.759 deal more than frankly I've seen accomplished before. We just have to get to 309 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:38.359 it. We have to get the right people, We have to get on 310 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:42.559 the right angles here, and I would love to see I don't care who 311 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:45.440 does it even, you know, I would just love to see it done 312 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:51.759 more and more. And I think we really stand a chance, especially given 313 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:55.240 you know, the the the right away access. I mean, think about 314 00:22:55.279 --> 00:23:00.079 this, the idea that the government dumps a bunch of documents out and we 315 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.519 might see them a little early or the same day. If we want to 316 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.720 download them and go through them ourselves, we can, you know, we 317 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:11.559 can really deal with things in real time now, as opposed to well, 318 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:15.119 okay, now I've got to wait the next sixty ninety one and twenty days 319 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.920 for everybody to get their documents, for everybody to actually have the time to 320 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.640 physically go through these things, et cetera, et cetera, you know, 321 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:29.079 for people to make their treks, their journeys, their pilgrimages to the National 322 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.759 Archives, et cetera, et cetera, or whatever it is. Right, 323 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:37.039 So, I don't know, I think this presents a remarkable time when we 324 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:41.200 could accomplish a lot more together. And I'd love to see that done. 325 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:45.839 So speaking of the speakers and all that, since we've taken time to reminisce 326 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:48.920 quite a bit, I don't know if you want to get straight away into 327 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:53.440 the list of speakers, because there's a lot of them, and yeah, 328 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:56.400 if you want to talk about that. I'm looking for my document. I 329 00:23:56.440 --> 00:24:00.359 thought I had it open that that gas you just sent me, and now 330 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.559 I can't find it. Of course, yeah, let me run through that. 331 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:11.039 I think it's exciting. Dick Russell will be opening up a couple of 332 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.920 structural things about the conference. The conference starts at noon on Friday on Friday, 333 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:21.519 yes, okay, And it's noon on Friday and in the evening on 334 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:26.000 Friday, all day Saturday, and then there's a banquet and then all day 335 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:33.000 Sunday. So it's a relatively long conference. This is much more similar to 336 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:37.640 what we did on the fiftieth anniversary. In addition, there are no schedule 337 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:44.160 breaks, including lunch breaks. There's some box lunches that Gabby has worked on 338 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:49.119 making available. But the point is what we've tried to do is structure it 339 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:53.680 so that we can have as many speakers as possible, and you just really 340 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:56.880 can't do that. One of the third things I learned earnly on is if 341 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:02.039 if you say, well we're going to have a fifty minute break for you 342 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.440 know, bathroom break, everybody will be back in the room in forty five 343 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:08.359 minutes. You know, you just you can't do that doesn't work logistically. 344 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:14.720 So the structure is once it starts, it's just ongoing. The only the 345 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:21.519 only real break is for a banquet on Saturday evening, and even during the 346 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:26.319 bank banquet we will have people talking. It won't be just a banquet, 347 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:32.559 but Dick Russell will be opening it up and he will be talking about his 348 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:37.640 review on what's new in the files and some other information. Of course, 349 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.359 Dick is a very well known person in the field that's been around with his 350 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:45.720 work on Richard case Magel, but on on other things. One of the 351 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:51.559 things that's kind of fascinating is that Dick has been in this for so long 352 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:56.480 that he was the first person that I'm aware of, that ever walked into 353 00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:03.119 in Moscow and to KGB or AGB headquarters and ask if he could see their 354 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:08.440 files on Lee Harvey Oswald. And as I've heard Dick say in person, 355 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.680 it's sort of like I went in and I wasn't really sure I would be 356 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:17.799 coming out or when I would be coming out. But fortunately at that point 357 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:19.680 in time it was a little easier than it might be now to be in 358 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:25.720 Moscow, and he did. But Rick Dick is a great one to give 359 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:30.400 a long term view of what we know now versus what we didn't know then. 360 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:33.559 Absolutely great presenter. I mean, the man who knew too much on 361 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:36.559 the trail of the assassins, just to name a couple of pieces of work 362 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.720 he did, plus all of his work with Jesse Ventura. I mean, 363 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:42.319 come on, you know, this is a guy who's got a long history 364 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:48.960 and again has done some amazing stuff. So I mean opening right up with 365 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.160 you know, putting you know, I don't know if that's the best foot, 366 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:57.039 but definitely a good foot forward. Dick Russell perfect at noontime, and 367 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:02.079 I like that it's opening at noon, not a morning guy, Larry, 368 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:06.400 Yes, I do too. Actually, I'll be driving down that morning, 369 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.640 so I don't know if I'll be there in time for Drick Dick session or 370 00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:14.359 not, but I plan to be there Thursday, so I definitely will be 371 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:18.039 there for for Dick and the whole thing. So looking forward to it. 372 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.559 But go ahead, Larry, Sorry, another sampling of some of the things 373 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:26.839 that are going on Friday afternoon and Friday evening. We have a lady Monica 374 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:34.039 Perez Jimenez that will be speaking and uh, she is very interesting in light 375 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:41.319 of having been the being the daughter of Castro's mistress and uh, chuck, 376 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:48.960 you probably remember who that would be, uh, lady named Lopez. Uh. 377 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:52.960 And she will be talking about her mother and about her experiences and obviously 378 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:57.759 that's fascinating from a historical perspective. Uh, there are a lot of a 379 00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:00.920 lot of opinions and a lot of being written about that. It will be 380 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:07.200 very interesting to hear more of an insider approach of at least what she heard 381 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.119 from her mother. And then Carmine, who your listeners, I'm sure everybody 382 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.920 will be familiar with. We'll be talking about the destruction, official destruction and 383 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.240 alteration of evidence. I kind of like that title. It's kind of like, 384 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:23.359 okay, Carmine, so they did this officially? Okay, Yeah, 385 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:26.759 Look, there's a lot more besides Hosty. And the name you're looking for 386 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.519 I think is Marita, right, yes, Marita, So Marita Lopez. 387 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.640 And there's an interesting one not often paid attention to in a lot of the 388 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:40.000 earlier media Marina Lopez, though you know, there was other women that were 389 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.960 paid attention to that had proximity to Castro. So I mean, I'm looking 390 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:49.680 really forward to Monica Perez yu Menez because that ought to be fascinating. Title 391 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.640 they give her to here is the Dictator's daughter, is the title of her 392 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.480 presentation. This is tentative, but still yeah, and she was and this 393 00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.319 is a different dictator than you might have imagined. I'm pretty sure the way 394 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:06.480 this story goes, of course her her Well, that's why I said proximity. 395 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.880 Yeah, that's why I said proximity to. Yeah, good, Sorry, 396 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:15.039 was Fidel Castro. But in nineteen sixty three, Mariita had also been 397 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:22.200 seeing another Latin American dictator and was involved in a paternity suit. And I 398 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:27.599 have some fascinating Miami headline article, you know, newspaper headlines with with her 399 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:33.920 like number one, center of the stage because she had photographers following around because 400 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:38.319 of this fraternity suit. Of course, she's very attractive lady and made very 401 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:47.039 good camera copy. So you know, uh, Mariita had had a lot 402 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:52.920 going on for several years that made her a fascinating subject. So I don't 403 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:55.960 know which parts her daughter will be talking about, but she has a lot 404 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.319 of material that she could address exactly. No, it'll be just fast to 405 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.640 see what it is she brings out. So moving moving ahead though, like 406 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.559 you said, Carmine, okay, official destruction of documentation. So I get 407 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.680 the point of that. And that's going to be one of his meticulous jobs 408 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.119 where he again as he's done many times and on this show and not recently, 409 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.480 although I am trying to get Carmine back on before the conference. I 410 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.880 want you guys to know that. But but the thing is, it's really 411 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:27.240 interesting when he tracks this stuff down. He's rather meticulous about it. So 412 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:32.000 he's gonna come up with a lot of documentation that will support what his thesis 413 00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:36.000 is. I'm certain, uh, And he's going to be doing that virtually, 414 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.319 which I kind of wish he was going there again, But we have 415 00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:42.359 Carmine virtually, that's what it is. And then the next one's in person. 416 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:47.640 Now we don't know exactly what Casey is gonna do. Casey Quinlan, 417 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:49.680 right or do you do you have any insight on that? Or well, 418 00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.559 no, I don't. I have some insight on a few of the others, 419 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:57.440 but not not Casey. We it's still there's still you know, it's 420 00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:02.119 the way it always is and all has been from the years that's been involved. 421 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:08.519 Gabriella is still wrestling with certain speakers who just cannot yet decide which topic 422 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:14.440 that they want to give. So now we're not sure about Casey's been presenting 423 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:18.039 in Dallas for a couple of decades, so it's not like he won't have 424 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.519 I suspect his trouble is coming up with which one he wants to do well. 425 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:23.920 Right, And here's the thing, really quickly, you know, somebody 426 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.440 asked me earlier today why I'm not on the list. It's because somebody's already 427 00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.359 covering the topic I was going to cover. I just want that known. 428 00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.480 But Casey'll also probably have to take a look at what other people are covering, 429 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:38.200 and he did that before. I think he made a move where he 430 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.920 changed last minute because it was like, well, I don't want to be 431 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.200 redundant with another presenter. So that's kind of a good thing, even though 432 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:51.640 it's pain in the neck for Gabriella. So anyway, a couple of others 433 00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:56.079 just sampling this afternoon. Paul Blue will be presenting Paul's out of Canada, 434 00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.880 and people may have seen a lot of him online. I don't know if 435 00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:04.440 he's been on your show, Chuck, but yeah, he has several topics 436 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:10.920 and I think he's going to be addressing some legal issues related to Lee Harvey 437 00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:16.920 Oswald that are very suggestive that there was a conspiracy in play, which is 438 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:22.880 interesting because Paul looks at the subject differently than a lot of people do, 439 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:28.200 so he often comes in with kind of a tangential set of commentary and you 440 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.640 go, oh, why didn't I think of that before? And right now 441 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.559 we're not sure if Paul is going to be virtual or in person according to 442 00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.480 the sheet, so you know, if you've pretty sure that he will be 443 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:43.599 there in person. He was in Canterbury on Sunday morning when I spoke to 444 00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:49.440 them, and he seemed to suggest that he's still His intention was to be 445 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.759 in Dallas unless he got He could have gotten lost on the way home, 446 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.519 who knows, but well, looking forward to that and the next one coming 447 00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:01.279 up. You know what, I'm not familiar with Jeff Meek off the top 448 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:05.799 of my head. Maybe maybe I've seen him somewhere and don't know him off 449 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.400 the top of my head, but I am clearly fascinated by the topic he's 450 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:12.960 covering. Though, go ahead and talk about Jeff Meek real quick. I 451 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:16.039 am too, because Jeff will be talking about Buddy Walters. And I've seen 452 00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:20.960 some of the things that Jeff has written about Buddy Walters, and it's a 453 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.160 it's a really fascinating subject. I spent a lot of time on this myself. 454 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:32.480 At one point I talked with Walter's partner. I talked with the son 455 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.920 who was in Dally Plaza with his parents of the people that saw someone one 456 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:43.160 pick a bullet up. Oh yeah, that whole family. That whole family 457 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.400 there, right, That was that whole family. I mean, this is 458 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:52.519 this is one of the least discussed and most significant parts of what happened to 459 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:57.240 Daly Plaza. And it's great to have Jeff bring it up again. Not 460 00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.920 that there have never been presentations on it before, but for some reason, 461 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.480 it just doesn't seem to come back and view. One of the things that 462 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:10.039 fascinates me is we know there's a picture of a crime scene evidence kit, 463 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:16.440 one of their little portable forensics kits, setting by in the south side of 464 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:22.320 the street by where this bullet was reportedly found, and they've clearly positioned it 465 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:28.960 so that they're taking a picture back towards the school book depository or towards the 466 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:32.880 corner at least that would suggest the direction of the bullet. And we know 467 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:38.239 that there is a Dallas police report from an officer who took the information from 468 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:44.039 these people. But what is lacking from the whole thing is, so where 469 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:49.320 is that CSI report. We know they were there, they took a picture, 470 00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:54.239 but we have nothing about an official inquiry. We just know that a 471 00:34:54.280 --> 00:35:00.039 police officer sent them there. It's a total hole in the evidence, and 472 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:06.039 I hope Jeff has turned up something more, because this is one of the 473 00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:12.039 best documented and least covered items as far as the shooting goes. I have 474 00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.400 not seen somebody put in significant effort on this since Mark Oaks in the nineties, 475 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.960 okay, and when he did a whole video on it with the mystery 476 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.400 FBI man and all. That's what he called it, and it was a 477 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.000 significant study. He went and did videos, interviews, tried to track things 478 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.519 down, documents, used photographs. He did a lot of work. But 479 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:35.400 I haven't seen anybody now. People mention it all the time, but I 480 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.159 have not seen significant work on this, not long time, not in years, 481 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:44.119 right, I agree. So and following Jeff, we will have David 482 00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:47.360 Boyle and presenting and I will be up at the table with him, and 483 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:52.960 we're going to have a bit of a new insight on Sylvia Odio and her 484 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:58.400 visitors and who they might have been and why they might have been there. 485 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:07.199 Revolves around some fascinating new documents that David have has discovered which cast an entirely 486 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:15.519 a new light on that visit as to as to the motivations and the people 487 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.440 involved. And so I'm not going to reveal anything more on that, but 488 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:23.719 I was. I was shocked when he start sent me the documents as to 489 00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:30.440 oh gosh, they said they were from Jura and Gollie Ge. It looks 490 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:36.480 like they might have been telling her the truth. Interesting. But there are 491 00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.599 the things that go along with that so well, everything from everything from the 492 00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:45.679 memorialization of that in the JFK movie okay, or the dramatization of it right 493 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:50.960 onto the many legends. There's a lot to that to unpack. So I 494 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.440 can't wait to see what happens there. And he's followed, I mean, 495 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:57.559 you know, he's a good guy. He's been on here. He's followed 496 00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.920 by somebody who I think is you know, sorry, essential, Okay, 497 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:06.519 he's as essential to reading on the cases you are, which is William Matts 498 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.760 in Law, the author of the I in you Know, in the Eye 499 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:13.519 of History, various other smaller books. I'm actually going to have a couple 500 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:15.039 of his books with me. I didn't know if he was going in person, 501 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.119 but I'm going to have a couple of his books with me to offer 502 00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:22.519 to people as well. And he is William matts in Law. If you 503 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.639 don't know him, I guess you haven't been reading about the Kennedy case very 504 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.199 long, and you certainly didn't do a lot of reading on the medical evidence. 505 00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:35.000 Huh. His massively important work has to do with the autopsy and a 506 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:39.960 different perspective of the autopsy from the FBI agents that were the observers. Can't 507 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:45.440 recogmend the book too much. Not sure about what he will be talking about. 508 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:49.480 I spoke with him as recently as two weeks ago and he still hadn't 509 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.039 decided, so, you know, but again, yeah, but whatever whatever 510 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.960 William Matts in Law decides to present, it's going to be solid, and 511 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.760 he's the last presenter for that day, right, Yes, we have as 512 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.800 the first presenter for the next day, as much as I hate thinking about 513 00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:08.480 getting up that early, would be myself and David Boyling, and we will 514 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:19.760 have a presentation titled Entangling Oswald, which is a new and contrarian view to 515 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:27.599 some extent of how Oswald became involved with the conspiracy and as of June, 516 00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:32.119 became involved with a number of people that led him to Dallas, And in 517 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:38.599 particular we will address the question of what did Lee Oswald think was going to 518 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:44.960 happen on November twenty second, which is a perennial question. We can't give 519 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.920 you a one hundred percent sure answer, but we can give you a sort 520 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.960 of fascinating answer that very few people discuss as to what might have been in 521 00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:58.440 his mind on that day as to what he thought was actually going down. 522 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.920 Well, being defended without a time machine might be difficult, but I think 523 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:05.880 you guys, you know, and you've hinted at this over the past year 524 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.039 on this show about taking a new look at things, so that in and 525 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:15.280 of itself is going to be important. And you me, David and a 526 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.000 cup of big cup of coffee for me. Actually will be there at nine 527 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.519 am to get things rolling on that Saturday. So you are followed by John 528 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:29.639 Davies. Now that name sounds familiar, but but go ahead and tell us 529 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:35.199 a lot most people won't know. John. John is was a career marine. 530 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.400 John will has been for about the last three years, and he and 531 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:42.960 I have had a lot of discussions. He's a good friend of mine. 532 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:50.840 Has been researching a very factual treatment of the national security response on November twenty 533 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.840 second. What did the US do, what did what happened in Europe, 534 00:39:54.880 --> 00:40:00.199 what happened in Russia, what happened in Cuba? What was really the total 535 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:06.800 national security response to the assassination? And he will give be giving his research 536 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:10.239 and as I say, this will be a culmination of about a three year 537 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:19.000 project for him. John is minute in his detail, meticulous, and I'm 538 00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.159 looking forward to it because it's just something that you would have seen before, 539 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.599 right And I was saying, he sounds familiar, but he's not familiar to 540 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.199 me. And that's the thing. I know he's right in your wheelhouse based 541 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:34.840 on the description because the description literally reads the national security response during the assassination, 542 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.719 which is exactly the kind of thing that Larry Hankock writes about all the 543 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:44.039 time. It almost seems like, you know, this is somebody doing a 544 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:52.440 presentation that might even more inform your work dependent So the last person we had 545 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.639 present on this was years and years ago. Is Larry Happening, a name 546 00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:00.400 that's known to maybe to many researchers. And John is also work very closely 547 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:07.239 with Larry on doing this. And John will be followed by Rex Bradford and 548 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:13.199 Rex. Rex will do a presentation and then there will be a bit of 549 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:20.239 a roundtable discussion of the state of JFK records as they are in twenty twenty 550 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:23.440 three, compared to what they have been, what really is available, what's 551 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:30.599 not available, and the changes in accessing those records over the years. And 552 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:35.559 Stu is a great one to have in that panel because even when Stu and 553 00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.800 I first started working together, the only way that you could get a document 554 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:45.199 was to either request it by mail or to go to the archives and dig 555 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:50.480 it out. Nothing was available online. So they will I think that'll be 556 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:55.800 very informative maybe for some of the newer people in this. Then they will 557 00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.159 be followed by Rob Kark and Joe BURRELLI who will be talking about the Martins 558 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:06.239 And I'm really not sure what's involved in that. Yeah, well, Rob, 559 00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:08.599 you might be familiar with listeners if you know the Lone Gunman podcast, 560 00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:14.599 that's for sure. And he's definitely an interesting guy. I'm sure it'll be 561 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:19.119 an interesting presentation. And which Martin's will he be talking about? I have 562 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:22.519 not communicated with him, so we'll find out, because there's more than one 563 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:28.559 possible Martin now and then immediately followed by because that's Joe Barelli's with him as 564 00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.679 well, immediately followed who do we got? Well, the vice president of 565 00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:37.440 the Mary Farrell Foundation, I think last I checked, and also one of 566 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:42.679 the best media mouthpieces out there for us. Okay, you know on this 567 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:46.480 side of the equation, Jefferson Morley obviously with his media background. Now what's 568 00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.719 interesting here is we're not sure, according to this if he's going to be 569 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:53.239 in person or virtual, and we're also not sure what topic he could discuss. 570 00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:57.480 But again, there's another guy who could, you know, probably pull 571 00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.599 ten things out at the last minute and decide to give us something great. 572 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:06.960 So there it is, and I've been talking with Jeff and I it's all 573 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:13.199 very situational, Jeff will be talking about what's the newest thing that's come to 574 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.880 surface. I mean that's it will be. What he might put on the 575 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.800 list now might be entirely different from three weeks from now. You know. 576 00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:27.480 What he posted about today was the fact finding a document that actually is a 577 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:34.039 new document that I never seen, that confirmed that they were holding the names 578 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:45.199 of CIA employees in Mexico City who had taken surveillance photographs of Lee Harvey Oswald's 579 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:51.679 right and their names were being withheld and are still redacted. And that's that's 580 00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:55.119 pretty explosive, depending upon what that might be. But so Jeff will be, 581 00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:59.760 Jeff will do whatever Jeff is doing. By November twenty, you know, 582 00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:06.400 the meeting, and we have a very controversial one that's going to be 583 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.320 coming up. Someone I've worked with and Chuck, you know him, Greg 584 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:15.400 DOWDNA. We'll be talking about the general Walker shooting, exactly the subject he 585 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:21.360 covered on this show in part uh. But I'm sure he's got more and 586 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:23.639 it's going to be really interesting. I look forward to it, and I 587 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:28.639 don't care who it upsets, because I think it's time to take a second, 588 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:32.119 A third and fifteenth look at everything in fact, because Greg is gonna 589 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:35.599 and I think Greg is going to do a solid job of it. I'm 590 00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:39.239 looking forward to it. Now there's this other guy, Oh, Larry Hancock 591 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:43.760 again. Yeah, oh if Greg doesn't. If Greg doesn't, what I'm 592 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.480 really hoping for is that all the fruit will be thrown at Greg before they 593 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:51.920 get to the next the panel on the General Walker shooting, where Doug Campbell, 594 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:53.960 Eye and David will be talking about it, so there's nothing left to 595 00:44:54.000 --> 00:45:00.679 throw at us. But I'm pretty sure that we'll offer some control contraryan thoughts 596 00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:07.320 to follow Greg and uh that it would no doubt be lively so well, 597 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:09.960 and I would like, I would like and will kind of take the consequences, 598 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.519 and I would like to volunteer to join you on that panel if if 599 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:16.719 nothing else, to give them something else to throw stuff at, I'll go 600 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:21.000 for it. And uh, I would just love to be involved in the 601 00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.760 discussion and maybe ask some questions because if you don't get immediate crowd participation, 602 00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:29.239 you know, I'm more than happy to provide questions. So you can be 603 00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:34.159 the interlocketor and you should set out front of the table so that you're oh 604 00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.199 yeah, I'll get hit cry it's mine and no matter what, I won't 605 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:39.440 see it coming. It's it's all good. And look, Doug Campbell is 606 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:43.880 going to join you, h of course. Uh. David David Boylan again. 607 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:45.800 Uh. And that's what it says here. But who knows. Maybe 608 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.920 there'll be some additions. And like I said, I'll volunteer to take some 609 00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:55.000 of the the the hurling fruit, no problem after that. An interesting guy 610 00:45:55.079 --> 00:46:00.800 too, uh. And and now his topic a little open. In general, 611 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:05.239 I guess it's going to be another state of the state regarding the research 612 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:09.440 and the research community or the developments, et cetera. The overview looks like 613 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:15.360 to me because it just says assassination sixty next to Johnny Carnes. Yeah, 614 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:19.000 yep, and that's I think that's the right take on it. I really 615 00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:23.079 have not seen any details myself, but I think it will be the state 616 00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:28.320 of research at the sixtieth, which is that that'll be leading right up to 617 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.840 the banquet, So it's a a then we'll have Robert Nelson talking about the 618 00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:37.480 Don Rental story. But this is a good way to set up for the 619 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:44.159 banquet because the evening is all devoted to the banquet, and we will actually 620 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:49.719 have three people speaking at the banquet. I'll keynote it with some remarks about 621 00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:57.679 also about the evolution of the research community, the first generation research or second 622 00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:06.239 generation whatever generation we are now just kind of a contextual thing. And actually 623 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:15.599 Rex Bradford will follow me to give an extended discussion of what's available now in 624 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:21.400 terms of the documents, what's really there, what's not really there, and 625 00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:28.079 probably certainly the best overall view of what's been accomplished in terms of documentation and 626 00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:30.559 how do you get to it. And he will be followed by Robert Groden, 627 00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:36.400 and so Robert Groden will kind of wrap up the banquet. We'll have 628 00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:42.199 some awards, but Grodan will wrap up the banquet talking about his kind of 629 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.760 his inside view working with the HSCA. So a lot of the banquet is 630 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:52.599 devoted to what we've managed to accomplish by the sixtieth anniversary and what we've had 631 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:58.440 to go through to get there right, and really an excellent array there because 632 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:00.679 Bob, you know depth, and Lee you'll give you an idea about media 633 00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:07.519 presentation stuff like that. You as the context man, I always turned to 634 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:12.079 you for context, and Rex as the well, the guy who's really done 635 00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.599 a lot of the evolution, uh, you know, the the incredible amount 636 00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.440 of work he had to do to to get certain things rolling and to be 637 00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:22.320 in support of so many different things. I mean a lot of people don't 638 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.599 recognize how much work Rex is put in. But if you don't know, 639 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:29.239 then you don't know how much work has been put in. I mean it's 640 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.079 just that simple. So look, that's great, and moving through to banquet, 641 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:36.840 it all sounds good, some awards this and that, but then we 642 00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:39.960 still got Sunday left, and it kicks off interestingly with this this guy that 643 00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:45.159 you know people might have heard of listening to this show, and that's mister 644 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.239 Swanson. Now I know for a fact I just communicated with Mike before we 645 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.800 went to air about his topic. You know, I know it's going to 646 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:58.559 be thoughtful. I might see if he wants me to participate with him on 647 00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.000 that, but I'll definitely introduce although again with a cup of coffee, because 648 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:07.679 he's kicking it off at nine am on Sunday, so whatever he says he 649 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:13.119 will be followed. But by the time people are awake at ten am to 650 00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:16.840 hear Bart Camp talk about prayer, Man and his new book, and Oswald 651 00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:21.679 in the doorway or not in the doorway, or Oswell in the second floor, 652 00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:27.559 not on the second floor. If everybody hasn't had significant coffee by that 653 00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:31.400 time, they really needed to have because keeping up with Bart is an art 654 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:37.199 form. I mean, you need to have all your wits about you well. 655 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:38.719 And look, people are going to get a lot of their anger out 656 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:43.360 of their system and their frustration, I think, because prayer Man's a rather 657 00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:47.320 controversial topic. Even I am, you know, I'm in a strange way 658 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:51.039 about that one. I mean, I hear a lot of good things about 659 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:52.960 this book, and I have not read it yet, you know. And 660 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:55.559 I hear a lot of good things about Bart's work, et cetera. And 661 00:49:55.599 --> 00:50:00.760 I've seen a little bits and pieces of this and that. But I am 662 00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:04.239 going to have to be paying attention now. He's doing this virtually, but 663 00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.239 I think people will be interested in what he has to say one way or 664 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:13.239 another, no matter how you view prayer Man. And I am certainly not 665 00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:15.800 on the side. I mean, really, I feel like it is just 666 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:19.679 a fuzzy picture. Bart makes another case, and he doesn't do it with 667 00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.880 just the photographs. This isn't just a photograph being shoved in your face. 668 00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:28.039 So there's something to it, people and people. I have read the book 669 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:32.800 and I think he's done something of a a I won't say at disservice, 670 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:40.440 but the book is much broad basically because this is a controversial subject. Bert 671 00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:46.719 Bart doesn't. But what Bart does is give you all of the testimony and 672 00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:53.840 the remarks and the observations from basically everyone in and around the school book depository 673 00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:59.199 who had something to offer. And one of the things that jumps out immediately 674 00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:04.960 are they're into conflicts. Yes, And he doesn't really manage that in a 675 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.800 way. He kind of presents them. He calls out where the conflicts are 676 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.679 and then you have to make your own decisions. See. But that's what 677 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:15.559 I love about Well, you're really not about just the person in the doorway 678 00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:19.960 or the fuzzy picture. See. But that's what I love about, you 679 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:24.000 know. William matts in Law's work is that he presents stuff and doesn't drag 680 00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:28.960 you to a conclusion. Here it is, even if it's conflicted. Larry 681 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:30.920 Sneed did the same thing when he interviewed all the police in that book, 682 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:35.719 No More Silence right where it's like, look, I just did the interviews. 683 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.039 I got what I could get. There are conflicts here, but here 684 00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:45.039 they are, So I look forward to this and then immediately after that, 685 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:47.000 okay, the virtual presentation. We have the young man. Now, he's 686 00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:52.400 been on the show already, Alex Harris, fascinating young man. By the 687 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:57.519 time he does this, he's going to be fourteen. He's thirteen now or 688 00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.360 I'm not sure when his birthday is, was, whatever, But the thing 689 00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.639 is, by the time he presents, he'll be fourteen. And that's the 690 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:07.719 youngest presenter I think I've ever seen. And he's going to talk about the 691 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:12.800 DCA film okay, which he's not working off of, just one crap copy 692 00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.440 he got off of the internet. I have definitely had some conversations with him 693 00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:20.880 off air, including you know, and on air about what it is he's 694 00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:27.800 working with. I'm fascinated by this young man in his attention to detail and 695 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:35.280 his really a careful work so far. Okay, So he's not just you 696 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:37.519 know, some kid that somebody's putting up there and this is, you know, 697 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:42.719 a joke. He's a serious guy. He's a serious presenter and thus 698 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:46.360 far, I'm looking forward to seeing what he does now obviously, but the 699 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:52.800 future is well, he's got more years than you and me, Larry to 700 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:58.320 do things. Yes he does, and I'm good, I mean, And 701 00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:02.280 just to spot through because I'm running a little short of time, but just 702 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.920 to give you a feel for the rest of Sunday, you'll have people like 703 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.440 Bill Simpitch. His topic is twelve Persons of Interest, and I know from 704 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:16.400 talking with Bill, basically these are twelve people in Dallas who they are persons 705 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:22.519 of interest. They did things that are not easily explainable. They seem to 706 00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:27.000 be contradictory to some extent. There it's a kind of what Bart is doing 707 00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:32.760 in the school with depository. There are people that handle evidence or that you 708 00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:37.880 know, you have to wonder what's going on. Did they make mistakes or 709 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:43.719 are they doing this intentionally? Were they part of planning evidence? And this 710 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:46.840 is what Bill. Bill will be talking about and this has been a major 711 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:51.639 focus of his for several years, I know. And then he will be 712 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:58.440 followed by sessions from both Janet and Robert Grodin, who will we'll talk about 713 00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:04.880 their work. Obviously, films and photography comes makes a major part of what 714 00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:09.760 they discussed because of Robert's collection another a couple of people that will be speaking 715 00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:14.480 that I do have a clue as to their topics. I know that Larry 716 00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:21.480 Schnapp will be talking about the state of the Mary Farrell Foundation lawsuit against the 717 00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.119 Biden administration and the National Archives and where we are with that, and that's 718 00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:30.280 something that's been in progress for own more than a year and has the lawyers 719 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:35.320 second time to go right, he's the lawyer sitting second chair in that lawsuit. 720 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:40.599 So yeah, absolutely looking forward to that go ahead, and we'll have 721 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:47.119 Alan Dale and John Newman, and Alan will be interviewing John, and I 722 00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.480 what John is going to talk about, because I've talked to Alan and John 723 00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:55.679 talked to Alan. It's kind of like talking about Jeff Morley. You know, 724 00:54:55.719 --> 00:55:02.719 it's it's going to be whatever John is focusing on when Allen interviews him, 725 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:07.079 right, because at this point in time, John is just pretty situational. 726 00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:10.719 Whatever has got his interest is what he's going to be talking about. 727 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:16.079 And it will obviously be interesting because everything that John talks about is interesting. 728 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:21.119 But you know, we would be foolish to put a topic down there because 729 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:25.079 just as with Jeff, you know, it's it's whatever is when that session 730 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:32.360 occurs and Brett Holland and Stu Wexler will both be talking on Sunday. I 731 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:37.039 don't Actually I should be in touch with Stu by now and know what he's 732 00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:40.199 talking about, but I don't. But it will. It will be a 733 00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:45.199 full day on Sunday, so there will be really quick now, really quickly. 734 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.519 Brent Holland is going to be talking about Ted Sorenson and JFK. Brent 735 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:53.360 Holland of course interview Ted Sorenson for his book and all that, so he'll 736 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:59.239 be talking about the speech writer obviously a speech writer and friend of John F. 737 00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:01.960 Kennedy, so that ought to be intimate portrait time. And also you 738 00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:07.199 skipped over James Corbett on the list, which, by the bye, I'm 739 00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.719 looking forward to this, even though it's going to be virtual JFK from Mongoos 740 00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:15.599 to Gladio. That's a hell of a piece of context work that is going 741 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:21.400 to be fascinating from James, who is you know, uniquely positioned there media 742 00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:24.559 wise, of course, Brent and James are both you know, constant content 743 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:30.000 creators of sorts. James is probably one of the hardest working guys in independent 744 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:34.519 media period. Uh, And I look forward to the fact that I was 745 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:37.840 really glad to have introduced him kind of to the Lancer pool a couple of 746 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:43.960 years ago so he could talk about JFK and the silver certificate thing. But 747 00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:46.639 this ought to be fascinating. And I don't know the contents of from Mons 748 00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:51.679 to Gladio. Yes, I don't either, and in all honesty, I 749 00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:57.000 have a hard time relating the two. So whatever he says will will be 750 00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:01.079 new to me. I guarantee that. So I really don't right, Obviously, 751 00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:05.280 then we know what Mongoose was and we know what Gladio was, but 752 00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:09.199 what he's going to say about them will We'll be revealed at the conference exactly, 753 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:12.719 So a little bit of a surprise there. One more thing is that 754 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:15.760 Alex Harrison, when I said the DCA film, I didn't tell the listeners, 755 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:19.400 in case you don't know, the Dallas Cinema Associates film, which was 756 00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:24.159 a short film that was put together from an independent movie making club of sorts 757 00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:30.480 in Dallas of that day of the JFK trip that they put together, and 758 00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:34.960 you know, there were separate films that you know, it's like a whole 759 00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.360 lot of zappruiters, except they were in different places. Uh, and they 760 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:42.400 were out there with their own you know, personal video cameras, you know, 761 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.960 of the day film cameras. Excuse me, not video cameras. They 762 00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:49.360 wouldn't call it that. Uh. Their their film, their their their home 763 00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:53.760 movie cameras. They were home movie group that made home movies together, and 764 00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:58.159 they come up with this film. The DCA film is very interesting, creates 765 00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:00.960 a lot of interesting footage and you might have seen snippets of it here and 766 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:06.840 there in different documentaries whatnot. But that's going to be an interesting thing from 767 00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:12.480 Alex. So there's a well rounded group here all day Sunday and ranging according 768 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:17.039 to the schedule from a nine am to eight pm on Sunday night. Then 769 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:21.400 think you've tired me out just looking at it, Chuck, Right, So 770 00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:24.360 you know you're talking about a long list, So Larry, I hope we 771 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:28.679 got around everybody. I know, we didn't skip over anybody who's on the 772 00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:32.400 list. But then again, I also saw a few things say that there 773 00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:39.559 could be more added at certain points here. Yeah, we're still negotiating if 774 00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:45.320 and a couple of those speakers have been added fairly recently. This all, 775 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:51.719 you know, I won't say it fluid, but I have very much doubt 776 00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:55.679 that this is the last edition of the agenda or the last speaker list. 777 00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:00.800 I suspect, you know, not that it will change the day before, 778 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:04.760 but I suspect that, as Gabriella said, this is tentative, and that's 779 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.760 probably the best word to use for it. Absolutely. And look, I'm 780 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.360 gonna turn around and put in the live chatroom atochelli dot com in case you 781 00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:14.519 go back. You can always roll it back later, by the way, 782 00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:19.840 you know, just saying, And you can go to Larry's blog and take 783 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.519 a look at virtually the same list, except the uh, the official list 784 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:27.920 that's in the document doesn't contain my name, uh, but Larry's list does. 785 00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.719 Because I'll be introducing people and handling some of the breakout rooms. And 786 00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:36.199 uh. Also, I'm gonna want to participate in some of these panels if 787 00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.800 I'm welcome to do so, And you guys might want to use me as 788 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:43.159 a decoy because they're gonna want to throw things at some of these panels. 789 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.159 And uh, I've been listen, I'm accustomed to being on a stage, 790 00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:49.880 have been having had things thrown at me. Larry I was a heavy metal 791 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:53.159 musician for about a decade, so no problem for me. I like this, 792 00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:57.480 Jack. I will definitely have that in the forefront. It's kind of 793 00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:00.519 like, okay, the marsh pit is down there, and that where Chuck 794 01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:02.079 is. I'll be on the other side of the door. There you go. 795 01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:06.960 Look, I will run interference and security for you any day. My 796 01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:08.400 friends, so really happy. And by the way, if you go to 797 01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:14.559 larrydsh Handcock dot com, okay, you can get a hold of Larry's stuff, 798 01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.320 his books, read about what it is he's writing. He's also I'll 799 01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:22.360 give you links in the show notes if you're hearing a podcast. But if 800 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:28.880 you go to Larryhancock Altogether dot WordPress dot com, guess what, there's where 801 01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.440 his blog is. And indeed there is an entry relating to this telling you 802 01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:36.960 how to get tickets, how to sign up all that good stuff for this 803 01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:40.559 event. Okay, so the information is all there and it's going to run 804 01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:45.679 just so everybody knows. Right, Let's see, we're going to do this 805 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:49.760 beginning on is it the eighteenth, Let's see, no dinners on the eighteenth, 806 01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:53.199 So it begins on the seventeenth, seventeenth, eighteenth and nineteenth should be 807 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:59.119 Friday, Friday Saturday, Sunday, Friday Saturday Sunday. So November seventeenth, 808 01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:02.079 Friday, okay, is when this begins, as we described, at noontime. 809 01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:06.079 And I'm really glad that at least that day it begins at noon. 810 01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:10.159 But the other two days it'll begin in the morning of November eighteenth and November 811 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:15.599 nineteenth at the Lorenzo Hotel in Dallas, Texas. And as I said, 812 01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:17.639 there's a way to get booked there. You can go see the schedule, 813 01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:22.280 you can sign up for your tickets. There's student pricing available, there's virtual 814 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:27.639 pricing available, et cetera, et cetera. So it's all there at JFK 815 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:32.400 Lancerpublications dot com. Okay, but again, all those wonderful easy to click 816 01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:37.000 links and everything will be in the show notes. Larry, I might just 817 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:42.519 lift a big chunk of you of your blog and stick it on the show 818 01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.800 notes. That's good because that'll just make it a lot easier. Yeah, 819 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:49.840 I did the same thing from Gabriella's message to me. So it's only fair 820 01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.079 there you go, so we'll all share this, and if you go there, 821 01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.760 or if you participate virtually, you can share in it as well. 822 01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:59.920 And there's ways to get the presentations, like Larry said, so that you 823 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:04.639 can either retain them temporarily or I guess, you know, indefinitely, as 824 01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.920 indefinite as indefinite things can be. But also I urge you to check out 825 01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:13.559 everybody's work who is involved. This is a very interesting and diverse group. 826 01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:17.559 You got everything from the fourteen year old kid who is doing solid adult work. 827 01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:22.519 Okay, don't discount the young man who I was very glad to have 828 01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:28.880 on this show. And also look, Larry Hancock's there enough said, ticket 829 01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:31.840 pros go all the way from fourteen to seventy six. What more good you 830 01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:35.639 ask for? And then you got you know, fifty one year old me 831 01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:38.039 in between, I mean William Matt's in law, Dick Russell. I mean 832 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:45.480 the the the highlights and the underappreciated underdogs. All of it is kind of 833 01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:47.360 covered in here. So you got guys who are well known, you got 834 01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.679 guys who are sort of known, you got guys who are unknown, and 835 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.239 everybody's going to present very different information. We're not going to be stuck on 836 01:02:54.239 --> 01:03:00.599 one topic, one area, one particular subject matter. You really get an 837 01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:05.639 overview of a lot of things here at the Lancer conference in a very serious 838 01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:07.679 and even though I'm making jokes about you know, people throwing things and so 839 01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:12.079 that's not gonna happen. It's gonna be very serious, very nice, and 840 01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:15.639 hopefully we'll actually have a good time too, because there's also going to be 841 01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:19.400 the breakout rooms. There's gonna be a media rooms, Larry. I mean, 842 01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:22.000 there's a few things going on here. You want to give people an 843 01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.280 idea, I'll I'll be in the bar, so there's always that. Well 844 01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:31.039 I'm gonna go join you there too. Yeah, there's a lovely hotel and 845 01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:36.199 we will have a floor pretty much to ourselves, and there there will be 846 01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:40.800 breakout rooms, and there will be book sales there. Lanceer will be selling 847 01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:46.159 books and the so there will be a book area. But all in all, 848 01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:50.480 it's just a venue that if you can possibly be there in person, 849 01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:53.840 it's going to be hard to replicate what's going to happen this year. Yes, 850 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:58.119 absolutely, I mean, look, you can attend it virtually, but 851 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.480 if you're able to get there in person, I would advise it not to 852 01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:03.880 meet me. You can avoid me if you like, but I mean it 853 01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:08.119 would be great to meet Larry Hancock, William matts In law, especially if 854 01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:11.360 you're a long time follower of the case, somebody has read a lot of 855 01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:15.920 the literature. I mean Stu Wexler, I'm glad he's there. I haven't 856 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.280 seen Stu geez, I don't even know I was. I even in the 857 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:20.719 room with him. Was he there in twenty seventeen? Do you remember? 858 01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:26.119 Yeah? I think you was. Yes, Yeah, we go well Stu. 859 01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:29.039 I mean, Stu's great. I love Stu. But Robert Grodin is 860 01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:30.960 going to be there. I mean, you know, there's a lot of 861 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:34.159 people, Rex Bradford, people that if you know this case and you know 862 01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:39.119 the people that have put in a lot of work, you can introduce yourself 863 01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:42.960 to them. Get some you know, some signed books, great stuff, 864 01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:49.199 new information, some old information revisited maybe more properly or more well with a 865 01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:54.840 more discerning eye in some cases. Greg Dudina, I love that guy. 866 01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:59.960 I love his approach. Okay, and you got a lot of things going 867 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.239 going on here, everything from Mongoose and Gladio to the walker shooting back around 868 01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:08.639 to Daly Plaza and Buddy Walters. I mean, the media coverage and the 869 01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:12.320 case, the state of the state regarding the case. So what else can 870 01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:16.880 you ask for in a conference, Larry Hancock, I think Gabriella has done 871 01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:21.719 an excellent job. And I say that after probably of attending at least twenty 872 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:29.199 conferences, so I've got a pretty good baseline for evaluating this is one of 873 01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:32.440 the best. So I think we've covered it. Chuck. There you have 874 01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:36.119 it, so again, go to Larrydashancock dot com and check out the links 875 01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:40.760 that I gave you, and also look in the show notes for the JFK 876 01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:45.760 Lancer conference coming up on the seventeenth of November, and it'll go on Friday, 877 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:48.719 Saturday, Sunday, that whole weekend, you know, just before the 878 01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:56.280 actual date where the sixtieth anniversary of the assassination will be well, will be 879 01:05:56.719 --> 01:06:00.679 a commemorated one way or another. Are we going to the no by the 880 01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:02.159 way diary, that's my last question. Are we going to the knoll at 881 01:06:02.159 --> 01:06:06.679 some point and doing the moment of silence and all that? I thought Ambril. 882 01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:10.800 I know some people will be going to know the problem is it's so 883 01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:15.719 close to Thanksgiving this year that I don't know that we've really been able to 884 01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:19.039 organize anything forma. I think it will be a lot more personal, nice 885 01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:25.000 so there there will be people going, but there's not a as far as 886 01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:30.679 I know, there's no organized sixtieth anniversary Commemora commemoration, right. Well, 887 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:32.480 I do know the Ocelli group is going to make a trip to the Knowle 888 01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:38.000 collectively and maybe you you, if you go, you can do that too, 889 01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:41.800 uh. And we're certainly going to bump into each other as we go 890 01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:44.679 there, et cetera, et cetera. Who knows who will go to the 891 01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:48.840 sixth Floor Museum this year or not, because you know that's there too. 892 01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:54.000 Uh. But yeah, I heard people check it out either get involved on 893 01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:57.719 it, you know, get involved in it, excuse me online or otherwise. 894 01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:02.159 JFK Lancer again seventeenth November to the nineteenth this November, just a few 895 01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:06.079 weeks away, and it is presented by JFK. Lanser and Larry Hancock. 896 01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:11.519 It says on some stuff I'm not sure, I guess, but you are 897 01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:15.280 well obviously you're intimately involved. You're presenting in a few places. I know 898 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:18.920 you know a lot of people. You're helping out. You've clearly suggested people 899 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:24.000 to do things, and this has come together nicely. 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